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Speaker 2: Our one on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Ed's
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Speaker 2: but the Blue Jays handled the Dodgers and that series
Speaker 2: is now tied at two games. Apiece game coming up tonight.
Speaker 2: Still no update on George Springer. He missed game four.
Speaker 2: His status for Game five is unclear. Otani pitched, he pitched, Okay,
Speaker 2: didn't do anything at the plate, but you had Vlad
Speaker 2: Guerrero Junior, the third has been the best player so
Speaker 2: far in the World Series. Twenty six hits, seven home runs,
Speaker 2: fourteen RBIs in the playoffs. These are all Blue Jays
Speaker 2: franchise records for a single postseason. But he took advantage
Speaker 2: of a meat ball that O'tani hung, and O'tani knew
Speaker 2: it right away, because that's a pitch that Otani hits
Speaker 2: out of the ballpark. But Vlad Guerrero sitting on that
Speaker 2: pitch and it was flat and he took it deep.
Speaker 2: So the Blue Jays, you know, they battled adversity. They're
Speaker 2: a big underdog here, and you win that game. Following
Speaker 2: what happened the night before, but when you think about it,
Speaker 2: I think they left nineteen runners in scoring position in
Speaker 2: the previous game. They can easily be up three games
Speaker 2: to one right now, tied to two. They have more
Speaker 2: hits than the Dodgers do. But this here's your pivotal
Speaker 2: Game five coming up tonight, all right, eight seven to
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Speaker 3: All right. See poll question for the first hour. What
Speaker 3: are we thinking?
Speaker 4: Well, we're just batting this one around right now for
Speaker 4: whom is tonight's game more must winish?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: For whom is tonight's game more must winishh?
Speaker 2: I would say the Dodgers. Really, yeah, yeah, because then
Speaker 2: you go back to Toronto. Oh, look at Marvin all
Speaker 2: decked out in his Blue Jay gear.
Speaker 3: Come on, let's go. We're doing for Carlos Delgado. Come on,
Speaker 3: you could be a bench coach there. But Don Mattingly
Speaker 3: come on, Oh how many? Okay? Lefty? Okay, we'll take
Speaker 3: a left here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say must winish for the Dodgers, because
Speaker 2: then it goes back to Toronto.
Speaker 3: So what else do you have? We also had another
Speaker 3: one or whom are you rooting for the Blue Jays
Speaker 3: or Dodgers?
Speaker 2: Well, we had this is a breakdown prior to the
Speaker 2: start of the World Series. Four states that they were
Speaker 2: rooting for the Dodgers. Everybody else was rooting for the
Speaker 2: Blue Jays. That was the breakdown across the country.
Speaker 3: I could see that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're rooting for the Blue Jays
Speaker 2: or rooting against the Dodgers. That you know, I have
Speaker 2: the Dodgers graduated to the evil Empire, you know, with
Speaker 2: the Yankees. Even then, when you look at the Yankees
Speaker 2: in the mid nineties, they weren't they weren't you know,
Speaker 2: an evil empire or players. You didn't like a Rod,
Speaker 2: but you liked Paul O'Neill, and you like Bernie Williams
Speaker 2: and Moe Ravera and Derek Jeter. You know, maybe it
Speaker 2: was the old George Steinbrenner you didn't like him. But
Speaker 2: still do you dislike the Dodgers. I don't think Otani
Speaker 2: is graduated to that where now you don't like him,
Speaker 2: or now you root against him, because it's still a
Speaker 2: great story and you see something you've never seen before.
Speaker 2: But Freddie Freeman, Clayton Kershaw, Dave Roberts, Mookie Beds, those
Speaker 2: aren't guys that you root against. You may not root for,
Speaker 2: but I don't think you go, oh, I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to seeing that guy lose. You might have thought that
Speaker 2: with Roger Clemens, with a Rod, maybe Andy Pettitt. But
Speaker 2: you know, for the most part, those Yankees in the
Speaker 2: mid nineties were you know, just they were great players.
Speaker 2: Those were great teams. But I don't think the Dodgers
Speaker 2: have graduated where you may not root for them, but
Speaker 2: I don't think you're rooting necessarily against them, unless just
Speaker 2: the whole premise of they spend more money than everybody
Speaker 2: else and that's not fair. Maybe that is probably what
Speaker 2: you know, but the Yankees did the same thing. You know,
Speaker 2: people say, oh, they're buying another World series. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: here are the Dodgers. The Mets tried to do it.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's what it would be is. I don't
Speaker 2: like what they stand for or their business model, but
Speaker 2: every every fan would want this. If your team could
Speaker 2: spend the money, you go, hey, I don't care what
Speaker 2: you think, and that would be my attitude as well.
Speaker 2: We we are playing by the same rules as you.
Speaker 2: We just said to show, hey, Otani, how about we
Speaker 2: defer sixty eight million dollars a year after you retire?
Speaker 2: How about you play for two million dollars? Okay, they
Speaker 2: just kind of circumvented the rule. You know, this was
Speaker 2: a New England Patriots Bill Belichick kind of moment where
Speaker 2: you go, wait, what are they doing? Anybody else can
Speaker 2: do this as well. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: Soto said, hey, I'm gonna play for two million dollars
Speaker 2: and then defer all my money to help out the Mets,
Speaker 2: I don't think that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ay, Rod wasn't really part of that great Yankees run.
Speaker 4: He came after the fact, so hey that that's when
Speaker 4: it was really hated. Okay, they were really he got
Speaker 4: one ring with them, but he missed that. Like Paul
Speaker 4: O'Neill waves say, yeah, Ernie Williams and all that.
Speaker 3: That's fair. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: And a Rod's got a documentary out. It's a Rod
Speaker 2: versus Alex and I guess his two personalities. They didn't
Speaker 2: interview me for that, which I thought maybe I'd get
Speaker 2: a cameo in there since I was going to say
Speaker 2: we nearly came to blows. It was he nearly punched me,
Speaker 2: because there wouldn't have been blows. It would have been
Speaker 2: what happened?
Speaker 3: Did he did? He hit me?
Speaker 2: Okay, but I thought maybe i'd get a cameo in there,
Speaker 2: but I didn't. I don't even know if they bring
Speaker 2: up the interview that we had with him that kind
Speaker 2: of started that mess with him and Jeter when he
Speaker 2: was calling out Jeter and saying that he doesn't do
Speaker 2: anything as good as Alex does. Why are they paying
Speaker 2: him eighteen million dollars a year.
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, it's probably one of those documentaries where the
Speaker 5: subject of the documentary is also the executive producer, which
Speaker 5: is really not good project. Executive pruser Alex Rodriguez, how
Speaker 5: was that going to be objective?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I made the cut there.
Speaker 2: No one reached out, no one said, hey, can we
Speaker 2: use a clip from your radio show when Alex called
Speaker 2: out Derek Jeter and then got mad at me because
Speaker 2: we played it on the radio show. And then he
Speaker 2: did an interview with Scott rab And said the same thing,
Speaker 2: and I think Esquire magazine the same exact stuff. When
Speaker 2: he was interviewed by Scott rab And, I go, how
Speaker 2: can you be mad at me when you said the
Speaker 2: same thing to a magazine writer.
Speaker 5: Yes, going back to the nineties Yankees, their players weren't likable,
Speaker 5: and even their winning wasn't dislikable. It's what happened after
Speaker 5: when if you're a fan of the Pirates or whatever team,
Speaker 5: you knew if you had a star player, the Yankee is.
Speaker 3: Going to grab him. That.
Speaker 5: It's almost more like the late nineties early two thousand Yankees,
Speaker 5: where hey, Kevin Brown and he's a Yankee, Mike, we
Speaker 5: see that he's a Yankee.
Speaker 3: John Daonah, come on over here.
Speaker 5: So like the Dodgers, there's no reason dislike them. They're
Speaker 5: following the rules, they're doing great work, and their players
Speaker 5: are likable. But it's the effect where you realize there's
Speaker 5: like a fifty percent chance that Paul Skeens will be
Speaker 5: a Dodger in two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the Yankees did this. But the
Speaker 2: Yankees were the first to really monetize having their own network.
Speaker 2: When you think about the Yes network, they were so
Speaker 2: far ahead of everybody else.
Speaker 3: And then they treated this and.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this before, they treated their starting lineup
Speaker 2: like it was Musty TV, like Thursday night NBC must
Speaker 2: Sy TV with friends, where you're seeing your stars, you're
Speaker 2: seeing star power. And I thought it was brilliant. But
Speaker 2: that's what the Dodgers are doing. They're spending the money.
Speaker 2: We're going to bring in people that you know when
Speaker 2: you tune it. You know the Blue Jays, I don't
Speaker 2: know them. I know Bishett, and I know Vlad and Springer,
Speaker 2: but you know they're trying. But now I got Otani,
Speaker 2: I got you know, the biggest sports star in the world,
Speaker 2: and you got Freddy Freeman you got Mookie Betts, you
Speaker 2: got that Dodger backdrop, the Dodger uniforms. The stars come
Speaker 2: out to watch the dot and you know, they treat
Speaker 2: it like that, it's an experience to watch. And I
Speaker 2: think that's a you know, brilliant, brilliant business plan. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just prefer teams that win rings in a more
Speaker 4: fiscally conservative manner.
Speaker 3: Yeah who does that? Who doesn't? That's just I just
Speaker 3: prefer that, Okay, all right, well good luck? Yeah, okay, that's.
Speaker 4: Why I Look at all the money they spend. Yeah, no, crap,
Speaker 4: look at the money everybody spending. Everybody spending a ton
Speaker 4: of money. Anybody who's actually competitive is spending a fortune.
Speaker 4: I would love for my team to spend money. If
Speaker 4: I was a fan, and I would say I wish
Speaker 4: we would spend more money. I don't think there's a
Speaker 4: fan base that says, hey, let's be responsible here. I mean,
Speaker 4: I have to balance my whole budget. Why doesn't the
Speaker 4: team balance theirs?
Speaker 5: Like the Dodgers are spending three hundred and fifty million
Speaker 5: on this team right now, and you can make the
Speaker 5: case Toronto's spending one hundred million less, but they're spending
Speaker 5: two fifty five, there's seven.
Speaker 3: They're not the twenty eighth team.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, they're not this lovable cute town of Toronto.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, international city.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you have an international airport?
Speaker 3: Okay?
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Speaker 2: have made a change. They have who is it, Tyler Shuck?
Speaker 3: Let's go yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I watched
Speaker 2: some basketball last night. I was watching the Bucks against
Speaker 2: the Knicks. It was Giannis against kind of Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 2: But dribbling is optional now in the NBA. Has Gianna's
Speaker 2: proved to us last night?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: You know, I did slow it down this morning and
Speaker 2: watched and I counted five steps and a push off
Speaker 2: and he didn't get called for anything but this silly
Speaker 2: gather step.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: But you know, traveling doesn't bother me as much as
Speaker 2: palming the basketball does, because that's an epidemic.
Speaker 3: That's everywhere.
Speaker 2: That's grade school, high school, college, NBA, G League, WNBA.
Speaker 2: Everybody is doing that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: If you want to say, but there is a rule
Speaker 2: about palming, they don't call it. And there is a
Speaker 2: rule for traveling. They don't remember. You'd always have that guy,
Speaker 2: you know, they, you know, somebody'd be like, that's traveling.
Speaker 2: You move your hands in a circular motion. They're not
Speaker 2: calling that anymore. But if they just come out and say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're not calling that anymore because it provides better highlights.
Speaker 2: It allows guys to have more separation, make great moves,
Speaker 2: athletic moves. Okay, but just tell me that and then
Speaker 2: I'll move on. But if you have it, call it.
Speaker 3: Yeh see.
Speaker 4: I think if your hands are big enough in great
Speaker 4: school at to Palma basketball, you should be allowed to.
Speaker 2: But you I'm not talking about actually, I'm talking about
Speaker 2: carrying it all right. And we called it palming because
Speaker 2: it would be the you know the ball. You couldn't
Speaker 2: have your hand go over the top of the ball.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, NBA Rule ten, Section two, Section D. A
Speaker 5: player who is dribbling may not put any part of
Speaker 5: his hand under the ball and carry it from one
Speaker 5: point to another, or cause the ball to pause and
Speaker 5: then dribble again.
Speaker 3: Okay, that happens every time down the floor.
Speaker 2: Yes, just okay, next time the commissioner's on, well, he
Speaker 2: might not want to come on anytime.
Speaker 3: Soon one topic.
Speaker 2: But when we get through this gambling stuff the next time,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say, commissioner, are we calling this rule?
Speaker 2: Because if you're not calling it, then okay, hey, I
Speaker 2: won't be there going.
Speaker 3: That's palming. He's carrying them all.
Speaker 2: You know, nobody watches a basketball game with me because
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, yeah, tell me about the Jerry West
Speaker 2: days here.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're like, I am palming traveling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, imagine if Fritzy emailed the NBA this morning
Speaker 5: and said we talked to the commission only about palming,
Speaker 5: he'd kill call right in.
Speaker 3: Why do they call traveling? Can you get back to
Speaker 3: us another day?
Speaker 2: That's all I want to know what the topics? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be it for right now. That's more important
Speaker 2: to me than Chauncey Billups because he's not going to
Speaker 2: say anything about that. And it's it's it's quiet right now,
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's a good thing or not,
Speaker 2: because I keep waiting somebody. There's some journalists out there still,
Speaker 2: like Pablo Torre is gonna find out something here soon.
Speaker 2: Quiet always makes me nervous. It feels dangerous. It's like
Speaker 2: nothing going on here like with the Clippers with Kawhi. Oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, when we come back, we're gonna play
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan said it. I'm not surprised he said it,
Speaker 2: but I think whenever he says anything, people are going
Speaker 2: to react. And the sit down with Mike Tarico had
Speaker 2: something to say about load management. So we'll have that.
Speaker 2: Your phone calls are always welcome. We will also settle
Speaker 2: on a poll question this first hour. Oh I got
Speaker 2: Chris Sims coming up? Is that right, Fritzyan, It's correct?
Speaker 2: Oh my bad. So we'll play the Jordan interview at
Speaker 2: least a portion of it coming up a little bit.
Speaker 2: But Chris Christophe Simms from Pro Football Talk Live, we'll
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Speaker 2: Night in America. If I gave you the Chiefs or
Speaker 2: the field in the AFC, who are you taking?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 7: Wow, that's a good one right there. Who man, I'm
Speaker 7: probably gonna take the field, Okay, But I don't feel
Speaker 7: comfortable about that. I wouldn't put money on that. I
Speaker 7: would not. But yes, the Chiefs have figured out a
Speaker 7: lot of things and and the AFC has left the
Speaker 7: door open here while they got their feet underneath them
Speaker 7: and got healthy.
Speaker 3: Here to where again, Now, there's no question they're one
Speaker 3: of the top teams in the AFC.
Speaker 2: Once again, what do you need to see from the
Speaker 2: Colts where you would acknowledge they could be the best
Speaker 2: team in the AFC.
Speaker 7: No, I will acknowledge that already and tell you I
Speaker 7: don't need to see anything. They are the best team
Speaker 7: in the AFC right now. If you go look at it,
Speaker 7: maybe if there was something I'd like to see improved,
Speaker 7: could they use.
Speaker 3: Maybe one more difference maker? Right?
Speaker 7: Would they be in the trade deadline business here of
Speaker 7: maybe getting a guy at the corner position.
Speaker 3: That might be available out there.
Speaker 7: But man lou and Aroumo has done a really good
Speaker 7: job with that defense, and you could see, right, I mean,
Speaker 7: if he's got a few players, he can make it work.
Speaker 3: And where they're good.
Speaker 7: Is, yeah, they might let up a few yards on defense,
Speaker 7: but they make you kick field goals. They're pretty good
Speaker 7: at not letting you in the end zone. And then
Speaker 7: we know on the offense, then there's nothing with the offense.
Speaker 7: I mean, the offense is borderline perfect. Shane Steichen is
Speaker 7: one of the best offensive mindes in the sport. Where
Speaker 7: you're seeing what Daniel Jones can do with a little
Speaker 7: talent around them, the O line, the tight end, the receivers,
Speaker 7: I mean, the running back of course is an MVP player.
Speaker 7: They got it all right there in Indianapolis. It's they're
Speaker 7: a Super Bowl contending type team.
Speaker 3: I think it's a good story.
Speaker 2: They remind me of last year's Vikings where we were like,
Speaker 2: let's wait and see when we get to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and we saw what happened to the Vikings when they
Speaker 2: got to the playoffs.
Speaker 7: Right, Well, I would I look at this as more
Speaker 7: offensive versatility and more danger that way, That's where I'd
Speaker 7: look at it to be a little different.
Speaker 3: Than the Vikings.
Speaker 7: With the Indianapolis's Colt's ability to run the football, that
Speaker 7: to me makes them a little bit in a different
Speaker 7: class than last year's Vikings football team because they can
Speaker 7: control the line of scrimmage and as you know, when
Speaker 7: you do that, the play action pass and all the
Speaker 7: other things that Shane Stikeen has to deliver in that
Speaker 7: offense are pretty special off it. They got it all
Speaker 7: on that side of the ball. There in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: You've got Lamar Jackson coming back going to play against
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. Are we getting to must win situation time?
Speaker 2: I think so basically.
Speaker 7: You know, I think last week started that and the
Speaker 7: encouraging thing right where there's some teams out there where
Speaker 7: I'd go, I don't see it right like the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7: I don't see it. It ain't gonna get much better.
Speaker 7: This is what they are, like. Don't hope for anything
Speaker 7: more that way. You know, there's teams like that out there. Baltimore,
Speaker 7: on the other hand, I look at them and go, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: I see some things about their team to go watch out.
Speaker 3: One. Their schedule is very favorable.
Speaker 7: They can go on a run here where we could
Speaker 7: look up in a few weeks and go, man, they're
Speaker 7: seven and five all of a sudden, Lamar coming back.
Speaker 7: I got no worries about their offense. With Lamar at quarterback,
Speaker 7: they can run the ball pretty good, as we know,
Speaker 7: maybe not as good as everybody wants, but with him
Speaker 7: at quarterback, I mean their offense, I don't worry. The
Speaker 7: defense got healthy last week, Dan, that was the big thing.
Speaker 7: I didn't realize they were going to be back to
Speaker 7: full stre right, and they look good, And that's one
Speaker 7: thing you look at to go, yeah, it's been underwhelming,
Speaker 7: but they can fix that area and they give me
Speaker 7: some hope there from what I saw in film watching
Speaker 7: them back this weekend. Why are the Falcons some mess?
Speaker 7: That's a great question, you know, one. I mean all
Speaker 7: over the place. That's a little bit having to do
Speaker 7: with leadership and then the coaches keeping them, you know,
Speaker 7: focused on the right things on a weekend, week out basis.
Speaker 7: But that was a shocking game last weekend. I think one,
Speaker 7: they're not patient enough with the run at times. For
Speaker 7: as good as they are in the runs still there,
Speaker 7: they don't throw play action pass very much, and they've
Speaker 7: tried to dabble in that a little bit more, but
Speaker 7: that makes no sense. You have Bjeon Robinson in an
Speaker 7: old line and you don't have a play action pass
Speaker 7: game that's like in depth and can attack off of that.
Speaker 7: That's another issue there. So I think, you know, those
Speaker 7: are a few of the things, but that's one that's
Speaker 7: hard for me to put my finger on it because
Speaker 7: they're more talented than what they're record shows.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk
Speaker 2: Live co host. Let's redraft the twenty twenty four draft.
Speaker 2: So you have Caleb, you have Drake May, Michael Pennix,
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks, right, redraft?
Speaker 7: Okay, So I still think I'm gonna give Jayden number
Speaker 7: one right now. I understand how awesome Drake May has been, right,
Speaker 7: I get that, And I'm guessing that's where you're asking
Speaker 7: this question because it's been awesome and he deserves to
Speaker 7: be in the MVP conversation for me as well there.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm still gonna go Jayden from everything we
Speaker 7: saw and the year he had last year. He had
Speaker 7: a little banged up this year, but he's won.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 7: This is where it gets interesting between Drake May and
Speaker 7: I'm still gonna go with Caleb Williams here because I'm
Speaker 7: such a believer in Caleb Williams talent. No, you know,
Speaker 7: it's those two, as I'm saying, and I don't know,
Speaker 7: it's close between that, I'm gonna take Caleb Williams, but
Speaker 7: saying that, man, and I'm just giving it just a
Speaker 7: little bit of you know, I believe in Caleb Williams.
Speaker 7: He's not playing the position quite as well as Drake
Speaker 7: May right now, but he's also going.
Speaker 3: Through you don't You don't sound very confident, well.
Speaker 7: Because it's a close one and I'm himing and hauling
Speaker 7: here and trying to figure it out on the fly here.
Speaker 7: But no, this is the other thing with Caleb Williams
Speaker 7: where I defend him.
Speaker 3: You know, he's.
Speaker 7: Learning to play a style of offense and quarterback that
Speaker 7: he's never played before, and it's been pretty damn good
Speaker 7: and it was better than people wanted to give him
Speaker 7: credit for last year, you know, now, throwing the ball
Speaker 7: in rhythm and staying in the pocket and doing that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's He's been able his whole life, as you know,
Speaker 7: to be able to make magic happen and make it
Speaker 7: all go.
Speaker 3: And now he's kind of being rewired there.
Speaker 7: So I think that's why you have moments of going, Oh,
Speaker 7: I don't know if that looks as good as I
Speaker 7: would like, But Dan, I will still tell you he
Speaker 7: makes throws and scrambles and runs where I go. That's
Speaker 7: better than any of these guys in this rookie class
Speaker 7: that we're talking about.
Speaker 3: His arm is specialist. Let us have a special But.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go him to I'll go Drake May three,
Speaker 7: I'll go bow Knicks four, I'll go Michael Pennix five,
Speaker 7: and I'll go JJ McCarthy six.
Speaker 2: Okay, but if you look at this and you say, okay,
Speaker 2: you're you're hoping Caleb does what Drake May is actually
Speaker 2: doing right.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, I think we're a little bit of
Speaker 3: that too.
Speaker 7: Like all right, So who's playing better at this second
Speaker 7: right now, Yes, it's Drake May. But we get into
Speaker 7: these quarterback conversations too, and this is where it's hard sometimes,
Speaker 7: And this is where I fell into this with let's
Speaker 7: just say Jordan Love and Tua. I love Jordan Love
Speaker 7: coming out in the draft. At first I ranked him
Speaker 7: in front of Tua, but recognizing wait, he's not as
Speaker 7: good as Tua right now, but his talent and if
Speaker 7: you just wait two or three more years, he'll be
Speaker 7: better than Tua. And so that's where I get stuck
Speaker 7: in that combo. Drake May's hotter right now. He's playing
Speaker 7: better than Caleb Williams for sure. But I guess what
Speaker 7: I'm saying is I think Caleb Williams is gonna get
Speaker 7: there under Ben Johnson and ultimately surpassed Drake May.
Speaker 3: Guess is what my belief is Still.
Speaker 2: I see cam Ward play on a weekly basis. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: the team isn't good, but he is not good, not
Speaker 2: right now. And if I look at Dylan Gabriel, who
Speaker 2: wasn't the number one pick overall, hasn't played well, plays
Speaker 2: for a bad team, and everybody's clamoring for Chador Sanders
Speaker 2: to get a chance when why aren't they doing something?
Speaker 2: You know with cam Ward that should you sit him down?
Speaker 2: His numbers are terrible, right, well, yeah they're terrible, so
Speaker 2: we can say the Browns aren't any good and Dylan
Speaker 2: Gabriel isn't any good. Okay, cam Ward's the number one
Speaker 2: pick in the draft. If his name was Caleb Williams,
Speaker 2: we would be criticizing him. He would be a focal
Speaker 2: point of all of these shows. Cam Ward doesn't have
Speaker 2: any social media presence, but you'll have Shador Sanders in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: So we're not being fair to Dylan Gabriel. And because
Speaker 2: he's a third round pick, he plays for a bad team.
Speaker 2: Cam Ward is a number one overall pick. Right, Well,
Speaker 2: you make a lot of good points there. First off,
Speaker 2: that just you just explained that there's unwarranted, like, you know,
Speaker 2: criticism of Caleb Williams too much. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know why, right, I don't know why with that.
Speaker 7: Because he gets there's this you get clicks. That's why
Speaker 7: he got his fingernails. He had a pink phone. He
Speaker 7: went to USC game and it became a thing where.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but he makes some of the damnedest plays and
Speaker 7: throws I've ever seen in the history of the games.
Speaker 3: Don't think there's proper analysis.
Speaker 7: I get you there where, it's different here and where.
Speaker 7: I'll say to you, like, first off, the Titans, come on,
Speaker 7: it's a freaking disaster, a disaster.
Speaker 3: Are they worse than the Browns?
Speaker 7: Yes, they are. The Browns have an all star defense.
Speaker 7: If the Browns just have an offense at all, they
Speaker 7: a real pain in the butt. That's the problem. Okay, Right,
Speaker 7: So I think I look at that. I mean the Titans,
Speaker 7: I mean the coach that just got fired. He didn't
Speaker 7: know the rules of what receiver getting in boundses. I mean,
Speaker 7: that was a disaster there. I don't know what else
Speaker 7: to say. Cam Ward makes a few plays in every game,
Speaker 7: Dan that I go, WHOA makes a few throws every game?
Speaker 7: Where I sitting here in the NBC viewing room and
Speaker 7: everyone goes, oh my gosh, cam Ward.
Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel's had zero of those plays.
Speaker 7: Yet Dylan Gabriel has moments where I go, I would
Speaker 7: never make him my starting quarterback?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 7: See you, Let's call Shador and figure that out now.
Speaker 7: So I'm already in, let's do the Shaduur thing and
Speaker 7: not necessarily knocking on Dylan Gabriel all the way because
Speaker 7: it's they doesn't have a great offense around him either,
Speaker 7: But they need to figure out what they got there
Speaker 7: because they're going to be right back in the quarterback
Speaker 7: draft market once again. And that's the only reason I
Speaker 7: say that. But yeah, cam Ward's shown me some elite
Speaker 7: stuff at least along the way.
Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel is not to this.
Speaker 2: Point, Okay, Schnor Sanders was putting up Dylan Gabriel numbers,
Speaker 2: nobody would be saying you got to put in Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 7: Probably not no, and that's that no. But that's not
Speaker 7: fair and I agree with you there, and that's the
Speaker 7: problem with when you that's why, oh, the analytics said
Speaker 7: to draft Shador Sanders, Well, the human analytics of saying
Speaker 7: it's stupid and it's the number one thing that's a
Speaker 7: distraction and talking about your football team all year. We
Speaker 7: don't talk about anything in Cleveland except Shador Sanders, Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3: At five sects. Is Shador gonna start?
Speaker 7: So that's what's crazy and not fair to your point
Speaker 7: one hundred.
Speaker 3: Percent, Okay, pick.
Speaker 2: You get one pick in the NFC, you can take
Speaker 2: that team against everybody else.
Speaker 3: Gosh, the NFC.
Speaker 7: So I think the NFC is so much better than
Speaker 7: the AFC, right, I mean it's it's not even close
Speaker 7: to me. I mean again, you're talking about Kansas City,
Speaker 7: who's five and three? Are They're the best team in
Speaker 7: the AFC. Right, And there's there's flaws with everybody. The
Speaker 7: Chargers in the playoffs flaws, Buffalo's flaws, Pittsburgh, oh my gosh, flaws, right,
Speaker 7: you know, New England, and there's still new kids on
Speaker 7: the block. Right after that is Jacksonville and Houston. Flaws
Speaker 7: everywhere the NFC. I go Green Bay, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 7: no flaws. Just play better, You're amazing. Philadelphia, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 7: no flaws. Just play a little more efficient on offense.
Speaker 7: You're amazing. Tampa Bay, you're awesome. Just get healthy, and
Speaker 7: you're elite. Detroit, do I have to say anymore? I mean,
Speaker 7: we know Detroit's elite. The Rams, the Seahawks are a
Speaker 7: super Bowl like caliber football team with their defense and
Speaker 7: all of that. So I just look at the NFC
Speaker 7: and go, oh my gosh, Wow, now you're gonna make
Speaker 7: me pick one.
Speaker 3: Wooh, I feel Detroit right now. That's what I feel. Now.
Speaker 7: They got to get healthy in the secondary too. But
Speaker 7: I think if you made me pick one, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: take Detroit. But it is close in the NFC and
Speaker 7: there's a lot of teams in that Super Bowl window.
Speaker 7: The best team that plays in so Fi Stadium is
Speaker 7: is definitely the Rams. The Rams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Chargers.
Speaker 7: The offensive line injuries just decimated them right and now
Speaker 7: they can't run the ball and it's justin Herbert just
Speaker 7: carry us every week on that side of the ball.
Speaker 7: They are very good in past defense, but they don't
Speaker 7: have enough difference makers in their front seven. With the Chargers,
Speaker 7: the Rams are the Rams can win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: I don't feel that way about the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Before I let you go your alma mater, Texas. Steve Sarkesian,
Speaker 2: there was a report that said that he or his
Speaker 2: people were kicking the tires on him being a head
Speaker 2: coach in the NFL.
Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
Speaker 7: I don't really buy that now do I think maybe
Speaker 7: one of these owners that's looking to get a head
Speaker 7: coach might have said something to Diana Russini or somebody.
Speaker 3: Out there to go. Yeah, Steve Sarkisian, we're looking at
Speaker 3: him too. Did that happen?
Speaker 7: I don't doubt that, do I think Steve sark Do
Speaker 7: I think the NFL is clamoring for Steve Sarkisian.
Speaker 3: No, not right now.
Speaker 7: Especially Wait, you had the number one pick of the
Speaker 7: draft and he's fallen to one seventy one. Here the
Speaker 7: offense doesn't look good, like, this is not the time
Speaker 7: you want to get Steve Sarkisian in. And the other
Speaker 7: thing I would just argue is, I mean, there's not
Speaker 7: a better job in sports than being the head coach
Speaker 7: at Texas. You get paid like you're a big time
Speaker 7: professional head coach and you're the king of the land,
Speaker 7: as you know, and they got a roll into Texas.
Speaker 7: They're not playing as good this year, But yeah, I
Speaker 7: don't see that happening.
Speaker 3: Dan. What do you make of arch as arch turned
Speaker 3: the corner here?
Speaker 7: Well, I was the fourth quarter I thought was his
Speaker 7: best quarter last week of this of his season. Right,
Speaker 7: he made some throws and some plays where I went move.
Speaker 7: There's the Arch manning I remember and saw a little
Speaker 7: last year and all that. I think that you know,
Speaker 7: his mechanics and is throwing just we're not up to
Speaker 7: his standards or the way he threw it last year
Speaker 7: and when he got in and I think Dan, when
Speaker 7: it happens, and you know this, when you don't throw
Speaker 7: the ball well and you don't trust where the ball
Speaker 7: is going to go, it starts to affect your decision making.
Speaker 7: And I feel like that happened with him as well.
Speaker 7: Plus they weren't able to run the ball the majority
Speaker 7: of the year or help him out that way.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean Archill, he's going to be back
Speaker 3: at school.
Speaker 7: There's no way he should go out in the draft,
Speaker 7: and you know, I think that'll be good for him
Speaker 7: and my Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 2: Okay, but every year at the draft we talk about
Speaker 2: next year's draft class. With quarterbacks, it's usually not this
Speaker 2: draft class. So people were talking about this at the
Speaker 2: draft in Green Bay about oh my god, wait till
Speaker 2: next year. Well, I know there's one guy who might
Speaker 2: be a top ten pick, and that's Mendoza in Indiana,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing, and that's mel Kiper talked about this. You
Speaker 2: got guys who are going to be going back to
Speaker 2: school like they're not coming out.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, like Dante Moore has that type of talent.
Speaker 7: I hope he goes goes back to Oregon, though I'd
Speaker 7: like to see him get one more year and experience there.
Speaker 7: I think it'll help him out. The guy I would
Speaker 7: tell you, though, that I would put every bit in
Speaker 7: Mendoza's class is the kid at Alabama, Ty Simpson.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean he makes more wow plays and throws to
Speaker 7: me on a weekly basis than than even than Mendoza.
Speaker 3: But there's some good quarterbacks out there.
Speaker 7: You're right, but it's gonna be about who comes out
Speaker 7: and yes, Dan, every year, unqualified people make qualifying statements
Speaker 7: about the draft and what's going to happen next year.
Speaker 7: You know, cade Klubnick I was watching it last year.
Speaker 7: I was like, if he's the number one pick next year,
Speaker 7: people were saying that he's a top five pick.
Speaker 3: I'm going, are we watching the same game? He's a
Speaker 3: good player, But Myer, uh right, right, Nutsmyer.
Speaker 7: I think has fought through some injury and I do
Speaker 7: think there's some talent there. I think he had an
Speaker 7: oblique strain. I think that affected his throwing this year.
Speaker 7: But yeah, it hasn't been up to the standards of
Speaker 7: what we were you know, sold in.
Speaker 3: The in the last offseason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just we love to hype these quarterbacks and
Speaker 2: then I know, quarterback, quarterback, and then we blame them
Speaker 2: when they don't live up to our expectation.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly right. It's a messed up thing.
Speaker 7: And that's where I always bray, I blame Brady and
Speaker 7: Manning because just all those years of those teams being
Speaker 7: good and then being the quarterbacks, it just changed the
Speaker 7: public's perception of like, well, if you've got a quarterback,
Speaker 7: you should win every year. If you got a quarterback,
Speaker 7: you should win every year. And as we know, it's
Speaker 7: the ultimate team sport, and if you don't got the
Speaker 7: right team around you, you're not going to look that
Speaker 7: good at quarterback.
Speaker 2: More impactful as a quarterback Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, Oh,
Speaker 2: as far as style and everything they brought, you know,
Speaker 2: Peyton changed the game.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, and Tom changed the game too. Now they
Speaker 7: did it in different ways. I can tell you in
Speaker 7: their prime, right that when Peyton Manning came to town,
Speaker 7: our team was more nervous than Tom Brady. All right,
Speaker 7: When Tom Brady came to town, it was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 7: it's the Patriots in Belichick and Brady right when it
Speaker 7: was the Cults. The whole, the whole locker room and
Speaker 7: the coaching staff was like the Sheriff's coming. Peyton's coming,
Speaker 7: Peyton's coming. Oh, red alert, get your defensive checks ready.
Speaker 7: Holy crap, here we go. Hey Sims, you're the scout
Speaker 7: team quarterback. Can you be Peyton many this week?
Speaker 3: We needed to spend fake ninety seven checks and do
Speaker 3: it all. So wait, Peyton Manning. I always had to
Speaker 3: do Peyton Manning, especially in Tennessee. I always did it.
Speaker 3: I'd go and I took great pride in doing that.
Speaker 3: How did it sound, give me a little Peyton man Well,
Speaker 3: you know, I just had all his manner rhythms down.
Speaker 7: You know, I'd be underneath the center and I'd fix
Speaker 7: my hit leg and I'd walk down and go down
Speaker 7: and you know, and.
Speaker 3: Do all that stuff.
Speaker 7: I didn't exactly emulate his accent or do anything of that.
Speaker 7: But man, that's where Peyton Manning is one of the
Speaker 7: greatest ever, right, he really was. So he changed the
Speaker 7: game as far as giving control back to the quarterback
Speaker 7: at the line of scrimmage and do all that stuff
Speaker 7: right and putting more on the quarterback.
Speaker 3: That's where he changed the game.
Speaker 7: Brady changed the game, and he changes throwing mechanics once
Speaker 7: to extend his.
Speaker 3: Career and become a better thrower.
Speaker 7: And of course what he did health and longevity wise,
Speaker 7: So there's a little bit of both x's and o's
Speaker 7: and football wise. I'll go with Peyton Manning off the field, lasting,
Speaker 7: keeping yourself and tiptop shape.
Speaker 3: I go with Tom Brady.
Speaker 7: Good to talk to you. You know it, man, you're
Speaker 7: the man. Tell those jerks, I said, high over there right.
Speaker 3: Hey jerks. Chris says you, hey, jerks, how are you jerks?
Speaker 2: See you later, Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got up there right now. Who is tonight's game?
Speaker 4: More must winish for? Sorry for whom right now? Dodgers
Speaker 4: have fifty three percent of that voat just Win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree show. Hey Otani is still your MVP favorite?
Speaker 2: Vlad Guerrero. I don't think you'll see somebody who loses
Speaker 2: the World Series get an MVP. I think it happened
Speaker 2: one other time, and it might have been a Yankee
Speaker 2: second baseman Bobby Richardson.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct, nineteen sixty World Series.
Speaker 2: And that's the one that the Pirates won right and
Speaker 2: the walk off home run by Mazarowski, but Blad Guerrero's
Speaker 2: numbers are incredible in the entire postseason, but it's it's
Speaker 2: basically Sho Hay and Vlad Guerrero Junior the third, although
Speaker 2: if Yamamoto pitches another complete game and they go on
Speaker 2: to win the World Series, he might be the guy.
Speaker 2: Freddie Freeman long odds. Alejandro Kirk has better odds than
Speaker 2: Yamamoto and Freddie Freeman. So it's show hey, minas one
Speaker 2: sixty Vlad plus three hundred. You had a Let's see,
Speaker 2: Chuck Howley was a linebacker for the Cowboys. They lost
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl the Colts, and that was Super Bowl five,
Speaker 2: and he got the MVP.
Speaker 3: Can't.
Speaker 2: Jerry West was the most outstanding player in the NBA
Speaker 2: Finals and they lost to the Celtics, I believe, and
Speaker 2: he averaged forty a game and he got the MVP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauline, Yeah, that was in sixty nine.
Speaker 5: So basically in the three major sports, it's happened three
Speaker 5: times and not in the modern era. It doesn't seem
Speaker 5: like the media would ever do that again in this
Speaker 5: what like, let's say, Otani just keeps tearing it up
Speaker 5: and really tears it up and the Dodgers lost. You
Speaker 5: could easily make the case he was the most valuable
Speaker 5: person on the field for the seven games, But I
Speaker 5: can't see the media actually doing that vote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm going to guess Vlad Guerrero if the
Speaker 2: Blue Jays win, Vlad Guerrero is going to have a
Speaker 2: large hand in this, and I don't I don't think
Speaker 2: you want to set precedent here where you go, you know,
Speaker 2: show hey, if sho hey pitched great last night, then
Speaker 2: you know, maybe, but I can't he would probably get
Speaker 2: a voter to for MVP. I'm guessing because I'm I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are guys on losing teams who have gotten
Speaker 2: an MVP vote.
Speaker 3: Maybe, yes, ton Yeah.
Speaker 8: That just seems very awkward and strange, like you feel
Speaker 8: like you have to They're the winning team. You got
Speaker 8: to pick somebody from the winning team, even if there's
Speaker 8: someone on the opposing team that just had better stats
Speaker 8: over the course of the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you know, there's still a lot of
Speaker 2: baseball left to be played, and starting, you know, tonight,
Speaker 2: Game five, and then you go back to Toronto eight
Speaker 2: seven seven, to three DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com,
Speaker 2: Twitter handle at DP show Brent in Vegas, Hi, Brent,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Good morning, Dan, first time, really long time. First I
Speaker 9: want to say thank you to you and the Dan h.
Speaker 9: My question is baseball and missing opportunity here by not
Speaker 9: spacing out the World Series games. If you think about it,
Speaker 9: he started at seven games. It goes the whole full
Speaker 9: series to be done in all of nine days.
Speaker 2: Well, I think see, we complain when it's too many
Speaker 2: days in between games. I like the fact that it's
Speaker 2: bang bang bang here, but you're also going up against
Speaker 2: the NFL. You got a Thursday night game. The fact
Speaker 2: that you're going to go you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna go Friday and Saturday. I'm all
Speaker 2: for it. The NBA Finals it stretched out. It felt
Speaker 2: like it was a month when I was covering that.
Speaker 2: Too many days in between, But everybody is trying to
Speaker 2: pick a day where you can have a standalone or
Speaker 2: you don't have competition, and if you do have competition,
Speaker 2: you don't want NFL competition, and that's what baseball is
Speaker 2: trying to do.
Speaker 3: So I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: I do think it taxes the pitching staffs here with
Speaker 2: with you know, today's analytics, that would be the only
Speaker 2: thing that I would probably push back on. I'd like
Speaker 2: to be able to see better pitching or you're able
Speaker 2: to use your pitchers.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ton, from a player.
Speaker 8: Standpoint, I can understand, on one hand, you want a
Speaker 8: little extra rest, But if you're the winning team, you
Speaker 8: want to take that motivation and the momentum and get
Speaker 8: right back out there. And same for the losing team.
Speaker 8: We just lost, we don't want to sit and deal
Speaker 8: with that for a couple of days. The fast we
Speaker 8: can get back out there and even things up. So
Speaker 8: I would think both teams would want to play the
Speaker 8: next day as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're the Dodgers and you had an eighteen
Speaker 2: inning win and a walk off win, and that excitement
Speaker 2: kind of carries over into last night, or at least
Speaker 2: you think it's going to. We got Otani on the mound,
Speaker 2: and then the Blue Jays are like, let's get rid
Speaker 2: of that feeling here, let's go right in and start playing. Boom,
Speaker 2: we get a home run from Vlad Guerrero. Now we're back.
Speaker 2: Now we have the momentum. I thought it was great.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that where you get back to back
Speaker 2: because we normally don't do that in most sports. You
Speaker 2: drag it out, and I remember those Bulls series. It
Speaker 2: just felt like it was forever, and it was. And
Speaker 2: they never went to a seventh game either. Mike only
Speaker 2: got to sixth games. I think by choice. He was like,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I don't need to go to a game.
Speaker 2: Flad Well Sege. Mike talks about load management coming up
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