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Speaker 2: Our one on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Ed's

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Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. Not exactly the encore we were hoping for,

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Speaker 2: but the Blue Jays handled the Dodgers and that series

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Speaker 2: is now tied at two games. Apiece game coming up tonight.

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Speaker 2: Still no update on George Springer. He missed game four.

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Speaker 2: His status for Game five is unclear. Otani pitched, he pitched, Okay,

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Speaker 2: didn't do anything at the plate, but you had Vlad

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Speaker 2: Guerrero Junior, the third has been the best player so

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Speaker 2: far in the World Series. Twenty six hits, seven home runs,

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Speaker 2: fourteen RBIs in the playoffs. These are all Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: franchise records for a single postseason. But he took advantage

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Speaker 2: of a meat ball that O'tani hung, and O'tani knew

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Speaker 2: it right away, because that's a pitch that Otani hits

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Speaker 2: out of the ballpark. But Vlad Guerrero sitting on that

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Speaker 2: pitch and it was flat and he took it deep.

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Speaker 2: So the Blue Jays, you know, they battled adversity. They're

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Speaker 2: a big underdog here, and you win that game. Following

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Speaker 2: what happened the night before, but when you think about it,

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Speaker 2: I think they left nineteen runners in scoring position in

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Speaker 2: the previous game. They can easily be up three games

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Speaker 2: to one right now, tied to two. They have more

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Speaker 2: hits than the Dodgers do. But this here's your pivotal

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Speaker 2: Game five coming up tonight, all right, eight seven to

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Speaker 3: All right. See poll question for the first hour. What

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Speaker 3: are we thinking?

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Speaker 4: Well, we're just batting this one around right now for

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Speaker 4: whom is tonight's game more must winish?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: For whom is tonight's game more must winishh?

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Speaker 2: I would say the Dodgers. Really, yeah, yeah, because then

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Speaker 2: you go back to Toronto. Oh, look at Marvin all

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Speaker 2: decked out in his Blue Jay gear.

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Speaker 3: Come on, let's go. We're doing for Carlos Delgado. Come on,

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Speaker 3: you could be a bench coach there. But Don Mattingly

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Speaker 3: come on, Oh how many? Okay? Lefty? Okay, we'll take

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Speaker 3: a left here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say must winish for the Dodgers, because

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Speaker 2: then it goes back to Toronto.

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Speaker 3: So what else do you have? We also had another

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Speaker 3: one or whom are you rooting for the Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: Well, we had this is a breakdown prior to the

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Speaker 2: start of the World Series. Four states that they were

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Speaker 2: rooting for the Dodgers. Everybody else was rooting for the

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Speaker 2: Blue Jays. That was the breakdown across the country.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're rooting for the Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: or rooting against the Dodgers. That you know, I have

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers graduated to the evil Empire, you know, with

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Speaker 2: an evil empire or players. You didn't like a Rod,

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Speaker 2: We we are playing by the same rules as you.

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Speaker 2: We just said to show, hey, Otani, how about we

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Speaker 2: How about you play for two million dollars? Okay, they

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Speaker 2: Soto said, hey, I'm gonna play for two million dollars

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Speaker 2: I don't think that happened.

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Speaker 4: Ay, Rod wasn't really part of that great Yankees run.

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Speaker 2: And a Rod's got a documentary out. It's a Rod

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Speaker 3: Did he did? He hit me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I thought maybe i'd get a cameo in there,

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Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, it's probably one of those documentaries where the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I made the cut there.

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Speaker 2: No one reached out, no one said, hey, can we

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Speaker 2: use a clip from your radio show when Alex called

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Speaker 2: did an interview with Scott rab And said the same thing,

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Speaker 5: Yes, going back to the nineties Yankees, their players weren't likable,

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Speaker 5: and even their winning wasn't dislikable. It's what happened after

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Speaker 5: when if you're a fan of the Pirates or whatever team,

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Speaker 3: Going to grab him. That.

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Speaker 5: It's almost more like the late nineties early two thousand Yankees,

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Speaker 3: John Daonah, come on over here.

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Speaker 5: So like the Dodgers, there's no reason dislike them. They're

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Speaker 5: like a fifty percent chance that Paul Skeens will be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the Yankees did this. But the

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Speaker 2: Yankees were the first to really monetize having their own network.

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Speaker 3: And then they treated this and.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this before, they treated their starting lineup

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Speaker 2: that's what the Dodgers are doing. They're spending the money.

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Speaker 2: We're going to bring in people that you know when

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Speaker 2: got that Dodger backdrop, the Dodger uniforms. The stars come

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Speaker 3: Yeah who does that? Who doesn't? That's just I just

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Speaker 4: Why I Look at all the money they spend. Yeah, no, crap,

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Speaker 5: Like the Dodgers are spending three hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 3: They're not the twenty eighth team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, they're not this lovable cute town of Toronto.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you have an international airport?

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Speaker 2: have made a change. They have who is it, Tyler Shuck?

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Speaker 3: Let's go yeah.

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Speaker 2: But dribbling is optional now in the NBA. Has Gianna's

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Speaker 2: proved to us last night?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: You know, I did slow it down this morning and

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: But you know, traveling doesn't bother me as much as

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Speaker 2: palming the basketball does, because that's an epidemic.

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Speaker 3: That's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: That's grade school, high school, college, NBA, G League, WNBA.

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Speaker 4: I think if your hands are big enough in great

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Speaker 2: Yes, just okay, next time the commissioner's on, well, he

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Speaker 2: But when we get through this gambling stuff the next time,

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Speaker 3: That's palming. He's carrying them all.

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Speaker 2: That's all I want to know what the topics? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Night in America. If I gave you the Chiefs or

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Speaker 2: the field in the AFC, who are you taking?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Wow, that's a good one right there. Who man, I'm

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Speaker 7: probably gonna take the field, Okay, But I don't feel

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Speaker 7: would not. But yes, the Chiefs have figured out a

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Speaker 3: Here to where again, Now, there's no question they're one

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Speaker 2: Once again, what do you need to see from the

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Speaker 7: No, I will acknowledge that already and tell you I

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Speaker 7: maybe if there was something I'd like to see improved,

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Speaker 3: Maybe one more difference maker? Right?

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Speaker 7: Would they be in the trade deadline business here of

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Speaker 3: That might be available out there.

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Speaker 7: But man lou and Aroumo has done a really good

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Speaker 7: if he's got a few players, he can make it work.

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Speaker 3: And where they're good.

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Speaker 7: Is, yeah, they might let up a few yards on defense,

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Speaker 7: but they make you kick field goals. They're pretty good

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Speaker 7: we know on the offense, then there's nothing with the offense.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the offense is borderline perfect. Shane Steichen is

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Speaker 7: I mean, the running back of course is an MVP player.

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Speaker 7: They got it all right there in Indianapolis. It's they're

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good story.

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Speaker 2: They remind me of last year's Vikings where we were like,

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Speaker 2: let's wait and see when we get to the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: and we saw what happened to the Vikings when they

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Speaker 7: Right, Well, I would I look at this as more

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Speaker 7: With the Indianapolis's Colt's ability to run the football, that

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Speaker 2: You've got Lamar Jackson coming back going to play against

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Speaker 7: You know, I think last week started that and the

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Speaker 7: I don't see it. It ain't gonna get much better.

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Speaker 7: This is what they are, like. Don't hope for anything

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Speaker 3: One. Their schedule is very favorable.

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Speaker 7: They can go on a run here where we could

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Speaker 7: I got no worries about their offense. With Lamar at quarterback,

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Speaker 7: they can run the ball pretty good, as we know,

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Speaker 7: But that was a shocking game last weekend. I think one,

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Speaker 7: that makes no sense. You have Bjeon Robinson in an

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Speaker 7: That's another issue there. So I think, you know, those

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk

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Speaker 2: Live co host. Let's redraft the twenty twenty four draft.

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Speaker 2: So you have Caleb, you have Drake May, Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 7: Okay, So I still think I'm gonna give Jayden number

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 7: This is where it gets interesting between Drake May and

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Speaker 7: I'm still gonna go with Caleb Williams here because I'm

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Speaker 7: such a believer in Caleb Williams talent. No, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's those two, as I'm saying, and I don't know,

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Speaker 7: it's close between that, I'm gonna take Caleb Williams, but

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Speaker 7: He's not playing the position quite as well as Drake

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Speaker 3: Through you don't You don't sound very confident, well.

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Speaker 7: Because it's a close one and I'm himing and hauling

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Speaker 7: But no, this is the other thing with Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: You know, he's.

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Speaker 7: Learning to play a style of offense and quarterback that

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Speaker 7: that's He's been able his whole life, as you know,

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Speaker 7: So I think that's why you have moments of going, Oh,

437
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Speaker 7: I don't know if that looks as good as I

438
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 7: would like, But Dan, I will still tell you he

439
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 7: makes throws and scrambles and runs where I go. That's

440
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 7: better than any of these guys in this rookie class

441
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Speaker 7: that we're talking about.

442
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Speaker 3: His arm is specialist. Let us have a special But.

443
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go him to I'll go Drake May three,

444
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 7: I'll go bow Knicks four, I'll go Michael Pennix five,

445
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 7: and I'll go JJ McCarthy six.

446
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 2: Okay, but if you look at this and you say, okay,

447
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: you're you're hoping Caleb does what Drake May is actually

448
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: doing right.

449
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, I think we're a little bit of

450
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: that too.

451
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 7: Like all right, So who's playing better at this second

452
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 7: right now, Yes, it's Drake May. But we get into

453
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 7: these quarterback conversations too, and this is where it's hard sometimes,

454
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Speaker 7: And this is where I fell into this with let's

455
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 7: just say Jordan Love and Tua. I love Jordan Love

456
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 7: coming out in the draft. At first I ranked him

457
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 7: in front of Tua, but recognizing wait, he's not as

458
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Speaker 7: good as Tua right now, but his talent and if

459
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 7: you just wait two or three more years, he'll be

460
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 7: better than Tua. And so that's where I get stuck

461
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 7: in that combo. Drake May's hotter right now. He's playing

462
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 7: better than Caleb Williams for sure. But I guess what

463
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 7: I'm saying is I think Caleb Williams is gonna get

464
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 7: there under Ben Johnson and ultimately surpassed Drake May.

465
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Speaker 3: Guess is what my belief is Still.

466
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: I see cam Ward play on a weekly basis. Yeah, Okay,

467
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: the team isn't good, but he is not good, not

468
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: right now. And if I look at Dylan Gabriel, who

469
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: wasn't the number one pick overall, hasn't played well, plays

470
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: for a bad team, and everybody's clamoring for Chador Sanders

471
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: to get a chance when why aren't they doing something?

472
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: You know with cam Ward that should you sit him down?

473
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: His numbers are terrible, right, well, yeah they're terrible, so

474
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: we can say the Browns aren't any good and Dylan

475
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: Gabriel isn't any good. Okay, cam Ward's the number one

476
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: pick in the draft. If his name was Caleb Williams,

477
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: we would be criticizing him. He would be a focal

478
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Speaker 2: point of all of these shows. Cam Ward doesn't have

479
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Speaker 2: any social media presence, but you'll have Shador Sanders in Cleveland.

480
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: So we're not being fair to Dylan Gabriel. And because

481
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Speaker 2: he's a third round pick, he plays for a bad team.

482
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Speaker 2: Cam Ward is a number one overall pick. Right, Well,

483
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Speaker 2: you make a lot of good points there. First off,

484
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Speaker 2: that just you just explained that there's unwarranted, like, you know,

485
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: criticism of Caleb Williams too much. I don't I don't

486
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: know why, right, I don't know why with that.

487
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 7: Because he gets there's this you get clicks. That's why

488
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 7: he got his fingernails. He had a pink phone. He

489
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Speaker 7: went to USC game and it became a thing where.

490
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.

491
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but he makes some of the damnedest plays and

492
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Speaker 7: throws I've ever seen in the history of the games.

493
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Speaker 3: Don't think there's proper analysis.

494
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 7: I get you there where, it's different here and where.

495
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Speaker 7: I'll say to you, like, first off, the Titans, come on,

496
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 7: it's a freaking disaster, a disaster.

497
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Speaker 3: Are they worse than the Browns?

498
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Speaker 7: Yes, they are. The Browns have an all star defense.

499
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Speaker 7: If the Browns just have an offense at all, they

500
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 7: a real pain in the butt. That's the problem. Okay, Right,

501
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Speaker 7: So I think I look at that. I mean the Titans,

502
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 7: I mean the coach that just got fired. He didn't

503
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 7: know the rules of what receiver getting in boundses. I mean,

504
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 7: that was a disaster there. I don't know what else

505
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 7: to say. Cam Ward makes a few plays in every game,

506
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 7: Dan that I go, WHOA makes a few throws every game?

507
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 7: Where I sitting here in the NBC viewing room and

508
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 7: everyone goes, oh my gosh, cam Ward.

509
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel's had zero of those plays.

510
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Speaker 7: Yet Dylan Gabriel has moments where I go, I would

511
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 7: never make him my starting quarterback?

512
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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

513
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 7: See you, Let's call Shador and figure that out now.

514
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 7: So I'm already in, let's do the Shaduur thing and

515
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 7: not necessarily knocking on Dylan Gabriel all the way because

516
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Speaker 7: it's they doesn't have a great offense around him either,

517
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 7: But they need to figure out what they got there

518
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 7: because they're going to be right back in the quarterback

519
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 7: draft market once again. And that's the only reason I

520
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 7: say that. But yeah, cam Ward's shown me some elite

521
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 7: stuff at least along the way.

522
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Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel is not to this.

523
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Speaker 2: Point, Okay, Schnor Sanders was putting up Dylan Gabriel numbers,

524
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: nobody would be saying you got to put in Dylan Gabriel.

525
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 7: Probably not no, and that's that no. But that's not

526
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Speaker 7: fair and I agree with you there, and that's the

527
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Speaker 7: problem with when you that's why, oh, the analytics said

528
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 7: to draft Shador Sanders, Well, the human analytics of saying

529
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 7: it's stupid and it's the number one thing that's a

530
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 7: distraction and talking about your football team all year. We

531
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Speaker 7: don't talk about anything in Cleveland except Shador Sanders, Miles Garrett.

532
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Speaker 3: At five sects. Is Shador gonna start?

533
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Speaker 7: So that's what's crazy and not fair to your point

534
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Speaker 7: one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Percent, Okay, pick.

536
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Speaker 2: You get one pick in the NFC, you can take

537
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Speaker 2: that team against everybody else.

538
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Speaker 3: Gosh, the NFC.

539
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Speaker 7: So I think the NFC is so much better than

540
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 7: the AFC, right, I mean it's it's not even close

541
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Speaker 7: to me. I mean again, you're talking about Kansas City,

542
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 7: who's five and three? Are They're the best team in

543
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 7: the AFC. Right, And there's there's flaws with everybody. The

544
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 7: Chargers in the playoffs flaws, Buffalo's flaws, Pittsburgh, oh my gosh, flaws, right,

545
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 7: you know, New England, and there's still new kids on

546
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 7: the block. Right after that is Jacksonville and Houston. Flaws

547
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 7: everywhere the NFC. I go Green Bay, Oh my gosh,

548
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 7: no flaws. Just play better, You're amazing. Philadelphia, Oh my gosh,

549
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 7: no flaws. Just play a little more efficient on offense.

550
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 7: You're amazing. Tampa Bay, you're awesome. Just get healthy, and

551
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 7: you're elite. Detroit, do I have to say anymore? I mean,

552
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 7: we know Detroit's elite. The Rams, the Seahawks are a

553
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 7: super Bowl like caliber football team with their defense and

554
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 7: all of that. So I just look at the NFC

555
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 7: and go, oh my gosh, Wow, now you're gonna make

556
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 7: me pick one.

557
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: Wooh, I feel Detroit right now. That's what I feel. Now.

558
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 7: They got to get healthy in the secondary too. But

559
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 7: I think if you made me pick one, I'm gonna

560
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 7: take Detroit. But it is close in the NFC and

561
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 7: there's a lot of teams in that Super Bowl window.

562
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 7: The best team that plays in so Fi Stadium is

563
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 7: is definitely the Rams. The Rams.

564
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Chargers.

565
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 7: The offensive line injuries just decimated them right and now

566
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 7: they can't run the ball and it's justin Herbert just

567
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 7: carry us every week on that side of the ball.

568
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 7: They are very good in past defense, but they don't

569
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 7: have enough difference makers in their front seven. With the Chargers,

570
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 7: the Rams are the Rams can win the Super Bowl.

571
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Speaker 7: I don't feel that way about the Chargers.

572
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: Before I let you go your alma mater, Texas. Steve Sarkesian,

573
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Speaker 2: there was a report that said that he or his

574
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Speaker 2: people were kicking the tires on him being a head

575
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Speaker 2: coach in the NFL.

576
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Speaker 3: What do you make of that?

577
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 7: I don't really buy that now do I think maybe

578
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 7: one of these owners that's looking to get a head

579
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 7: coach might have said something to Diana Russini or somebody.

580
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: Out there to go. Yeah, Steve Sarkisian, we're looking at

581
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: him too. Did that happen?

582
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Speaker 7: I don't doubt that, do I think Steve sark Do

583
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 7: I think the NFL is clamoring for Steve Sarkisian.

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00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: No, not right now.

585
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Speaker 7: Especially Wait, you had the number one pick of the

586
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 7: draft and he's fallen to one seventy one. Here the

587
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 7: offense doesn't look good, like, this is not the time

588
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 7: you want to get Steve Sarkisian in. And the other

589
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 7: thing I would just argue is, I mean, there's not

590
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 7: a better job in sports than being the head coach

591
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 7: at Texas. You get paid like you're a big time

592
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 7: professional head coach and you're the king of the land,

593
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 7: as you know, and they got a roll into Texas.

594
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 7: They're not playing as good this year, But yeah, I

595
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 7: don't see that happening.

596
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Speaker 3: Dan. What do you make of arch as arch turned

597
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: the corner here?

598
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 7: Well, I was the fourth quarter I thought was his

599
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 7: best quarter last week of this of his season. Right,

600
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 7: he made some throws and some plays where I went move.

601
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 7: There's the Arch manning I remember and saw a little

602
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 7: last year and all that. I think that you know,

603
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 7: his mechanics and is throwing just we're not up to

604
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 7: his standards or the way he threw it last year

605
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 7: and when he got in and I think Dan, when

606
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 7: it happens, and you know this, when you don't throw

607
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 7: the ball well and you don't trust where the ball

608
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 7: is going to go, it starts to affect your decision making.

609
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 7: And I feel like that happened with him as well.

610
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 7: Plus they weren't able to run the ball the majority

611
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Speaker 7: of the year or help him out that way.

612
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean Archill, he's going to be back

613
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: at school.

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Speaker 7: There's no way he should go out in the draft,

615
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 7: and you know, I think that'll be good for him

616
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 7: and my Texas Longhorns.

617
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: Okay, but every year at the draft we talk about

618
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: next year's draft class. With quarterbacks, it's usually not this

619
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Speaker 2: draft class. So people were talking about this at the

620
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Speaker 2: draft in Green Bay about oh my god, wait till

621
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Speaker 2: next year. Well, I know there's one guy who might

622
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Speaker 2: be a top ten pick, and that's Mendoza in Indiana,

623
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing, and that's mel Kiper talked about this. You

624
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: got guys who are going to be going back to

625
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: school like they're not coming out.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, like Dante Moore has that type of talent.

627
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 7: I hope he goes goes back to Oregon, though I'd

628
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 7: like to see him get one more year and experience there.

629
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Speaker 7: I think it'll help him out. The guy I would

630
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 7: tell you, though, that I would put every bit in

631
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 7: Mendoza's class is the kid at Alabama, Ty Simpson.

632
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

633
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 7: I mean he makes more wow plays and throws to

634
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 7: me on a weekly basis than than even than Mendoza.

635
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: But there's some good quarterbacks out there.

636
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 7: You're right, but it's gonna be about who comes out

637
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 7: and yes, Dan, every year, unqualified people make qualifying statements

638
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 7: about the draft and what's going to happen next year.

639
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 7: You know, cade Klubnick I was watching it last year.

640
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 7: I was like, if he's the number one pick next year,

641
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 7: people were saying that he's a top five pick.

642
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: I'm going, are we watching the same game? He's a

643
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: good player, But Myer, uh right, right, Nutsmyer.

644
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 7: I think has fought through some injury and I do

645
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 7: think there's some talent there. I think he had an

646
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 7: oblique strain. I think that affected his throwing this year.

647
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 7: But yeah, it hasn't been up to the standards of

648
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 7: what we were you know, sold in.

649
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: The in the last offseason.

650
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just we love to hype these quarterbacks and

651
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: then I know, quarterback, quarterback, and then we blame them

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Speaker 2: when they don't live up to our expectation.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly right. It's a messed up thing.

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Speaker 7: And that's where I always bray, I blame Brady and

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Speaker 7: Manning because just all those years of those teams being

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Speaker 7: good and then being the quarterbacks, it just changed the

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Speaker 7: public's perception of like, well, if you've got a quarterback,

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Speaker 7: you should win every year. If you got a quarterback,

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Speaker 7: you should win every year. And as we know, it's

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Speaker 7: the ultimate team sport, and if you don't got the

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Speaker 7: right team around you, you're not going to look that

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Speaker 7: good at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: More impactful as a quarterback Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, Oh,

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Speaker 2: as far as style and everything they brought, you know,

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Speaker 2: Peyton changed the game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, and Tom changed the game too. Now they

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Speaker 7: did it in different ways. I can tell you in

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Speaker 7: their prime, right that when Peyton Manning came to town,

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Speaker 7: our team was more nervous than Tom Brady. All right,

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Speaker 7: When Tom Brady came to town, it was like, oh gosh,

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Speaker 7: it's the Patriots in Belichick and Brady right when it

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Speaker 7: was the Cults. The whole, the whole locker room and

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Speaker 7: the coaching staff was like the Sheriff's coming. Peyton's coming,

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Speaker 7: Peyton's coming. Oh, red alert, get your defensive checks ready.

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Speaker 7: Holy crap, here we go. Hey Sims, you're the scout

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Speaker 7: team quarterback. Can you be Peyton many this week?

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Speaker 3: We needed to spend fake ninety seven checks and do

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Speaker 3: it all. So wait, Peyton Manning. I always had to

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Speaker 3: do Peyton Manning, especially in Tennessee. I always did it.

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Speaker 3: I'd go and I took great pride in doing that.

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Speaker 3: How did it sound, give me a little Peyton man Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, I just had all his manner rhythms down.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'd be underneath the center and I'd fix

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Speaker 7: my hit leg and I'd walk down and go down

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Speaker 7: and you know, and.

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Speaker 3: Do all that stuff.

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Speaker 7: I didn't exactly emulate his accent or do anything of that.

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Speaker 7: But man, that's where Peyton Manning is one of the

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Speaker 7: greatest ever, right, he really was. So he changed the

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Speaker 7: game as far as giving control back to the quarterback

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Speaker 7: at the line of scrimmage and do all that stuff

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Speaker 7: right and putting more on the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: That's where he changed the game.

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Speaker 7: Brady changed the game, and he changes throwing mechanics once

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Speaker 7: to extend his.

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Speaker 3: Career and become a better thrower.

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Speaker 7: And of course what he did health and longevity wise,

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Speaker 7: So there's a little bit of both x's and o's

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Speaker 7: and football wise. I'll go with Peyton Manning off the field, lasting,

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Speaker 7: keeping yourself and tiptop shape.

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Speaker 3: I go with Tom Brady.

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Speaker 7: Good to talk to you. You know it, man, you're

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Speaker 7: the man. Tell those jerks, I said, high over there right.

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Speaker 3: Hey jerks. Chris says you, hey, jerks, how are you jerks?

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Speaker 2: See you later, Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break. Our play of the day is next.

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Speaker 1: listen live. Oh my god, the play of the day.

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Speaker 3: This is the play of the day. Check this out

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Speaker 3: you one. Laddie hits it high left field, hurting into

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Speaker 3: back hold the track, looks up, it is gone. Pluck

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Speaker 3: a top. Vladimir Carrero Junior.

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Speaker 7: Puts them in the lead with a two run shot

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Speaker 7: two one Blue Jays in the top of the.

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Speaker 2: Third in the playoffs, twenty six hit seven, Homer's fourteen

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Speaker 2: RBIs They're all Blue Jays franchise records for a single postseason.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got up there right now. Who is tonight's game?

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Speaker 4: More must winish for? Sorry for whom right now? Dodgers

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Speaker 4: have fifty three percent of that voat just Win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree show. Hey Otani is still your MVP favorite?

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Speaker 2: Vlad Guerrero. I don't think you'll see somebody who loses

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Speaker 2: the World Series get an MVP. I think it happened

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Speaker 2: one other time, and it might have been a Yankee

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Speaker 2: second baseman Bobby Richardson.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct, nineteen sixty World Series.

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Speaker 2: And that's the one that the Pirates won right and

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Speaker 2: the walk off home run by Mazarowski, but Blad Guerrero's

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Speaker 2: numbers are incredible in the entire postseason, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: basically Sho Hay and Vlad Guerrero Junior the third, although

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Speaker 2: if Yamamoto pitches another complete game and they go on

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Speaker 2: to win the World Series, he might be the guy.

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Speaker 2: Freddie Freeman long odds. Alejandro Kirk has better odds than

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Speaker 2: Yamamoto and Freddie Freeman. So it's show hey, minas one

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Speaker 2: sixty Vlad plus three hundred. You had a Let's see,

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Speaker 2: Chuck Howley was a linebacker for the Cowboys. They lost

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl the Colts, and that was Super Bowl five,

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Speaker 2: and he got the MVP.

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Speaker 3: Can't.

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Speaker 2: Jerry West was the most outstanding player in the NBA

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Speaker 2: Finals and they lost to the Celtics, I believe, and

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Speaker 2: he averaged forty a game and he got the MVP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauline, Yeah, that was in sixty nine.

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Speaker 5: So basically in the three major sports, it's happened three

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Speaker 5: times and not in the modern era. It doesn't seem

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Speaker 5: like the media would ever do that again in this

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Speaker 5: what like, let's say, Otani just keeps tearing it up

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Speaker 5: and really tears it up and the Dodgers lost. You

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Speaker 5: could easily make the case he was the most valuable

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Speaker 5: person on the field for the seven games, But I

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Speaker 5: can't see the media actually doing that vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm going to guess Vlad Guerrero if the

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Speaker 2: Blue Jays win, Vlad Guerrero is going to have a

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Speaker 2: large hand in this, and I don't I don't think

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Speaker 2: you want to set precedent here where you go, you know,

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Speaker 2: show hey, if sho hey pitched great last night, then

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe, but I can't he would probably get

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Speaker 2: a voter to for MVP. I'm guessing because I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there are guys on losing teams who have gotten

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Speaker 2: an MVP vote.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, yes, ton Yeah.

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Speaker 8: That just seems very awkward and strange, like you feel

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Speaker 8: like you have to They're the winning team. You got

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Speaker 8: to pick somebody from the winning team, even if there's

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Speaker 8: someone on the opposing team that just had better stats

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Speaker 8: over the course of the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you know, there's still a lot of

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Speaker 2: baseball left to be played, and starting, you know, tonight,

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Speaker 2: Game five, and then you go back to Toronto eight

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Speaker 2: seven seven, to three DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com,

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Speaker 2: Twitter handle at DP show Brent in Vegas, Hi, Brent,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 9: Good morning, Dan, first time, really long time. First I

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Speaker 9: want to say thank you to you and the Dan h.

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Speaker 9: My question is baseball and missing opportunity here by not

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Speaker 9: spacing out the World Series games. If you think about it,

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Speaker 9: he started at seven games. It goes the whole full

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Speaker 9: series to be done in all of nine days.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think see, we complain when it's too many

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Speaker 2: days in between games. I like the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: bang bang bang here, but you're also going up against

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Speaker 2: the NFL. You got a Thursday night game. The fact

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Speaker 2: that you're going to go you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: and then you're gonna go Friday and Saturday. I'm all

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Speaker 2: for it. The NBA Finals it stretched out. It felt

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Speaker 2: like it was a month when I was covering that.

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Speaker 2: Too many days in between, But everybody is trying to

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Speaker 2: pick a day where you can have a standalone or

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Speaker 2: you don't have competition, and if you do have competition,

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Speaker 2: you don't want NFL competition, and that's what baseball is

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Speaker 2: trying to do.

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Speaker 3: So I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 2: I do think it taxes the pitching staffs here with

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Speaker 2: with you know, today's analytics, that would be the only

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Speaker 2: thing that I would probably push back on. I'd like

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Speaker 2: to be able to see better pitching or you're able

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Speaker 2: to use your pitchers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ton, from a player.

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Speaker 8: Standpoint, I can understand, on one hand, you want a

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Speaker 8: little extra rest, But if you're the winning team, you

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Speaker 8: want to take that motivation and the momentum and get

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Speaker 8: right back out there. And same for the losing team.

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Speaker 8: We just lost, we don't want to sit and deal

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Speaker 8: with that for a couple of days. The fast we

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Speaker 8: can get back out there and even things up. So

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Speaker 8: I would think both teams would want to play the

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Speaker 8: next day as soon as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're the Dodgers and you had an eighteen

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Speaker 2: inning win and a walk off win, and that excitement

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Speaker 2: kind of carries over into last night, or at least

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Speaker 2: you think it's going to. We got Otani on the mound,

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Speaker 2: and then the Blue Jays are like, let's get rid

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Speaker 2: of that feeling here, let's go right in and start playing. Boom,

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Speaker 2: we get a home run from Vlad Guerrero. Now we're back.

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Speaker 2: Now we have the momentum. I thought it was great.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that where you get back to back

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Speaker 2: because we normally don't do that in most sports. You

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Speaker 2: drag it out, and I remember those Bulls series. It

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Speaker 2: just felt like it was forever, and it was. And

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Speaker 2: they never went to a seventh game either. Mike only

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Speaker 2: got to sixth games. I think by choice. He was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I don't need to go to a game.

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Speaker 2: Flad Well Sege. Mike talks about load management coming up

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Speaker 2: one hour in the books, Fritzy's Here, Seaton, Mark Paulliers

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Speaker 2: truly and the back room guys back after this