1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, one of America's superstars, always 2 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: with a smile on his face, making everybody else laugh. 3 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: What happened? What really happened? Mystery surrounding the death of 4 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: one of American's most beloved comedians. Take a listen to this. 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Sage began his career as a stand up comedian. Humor 6 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: often runs you, I Love my Mom and you can't 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: and about face from his more family friendly gigs for decades, 8 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: bringing joy to millions of homes as the host of 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: America's funny at Home videos. Honey, you know that my 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: grand headache you had this morning? Well, it'll be home 11 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: in an hour. But no rule more icunning gets by 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: mister Tanner. I'd like to get the girls to bed 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: before Good Morning America. Saget and his TV family commemorating 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: their thirtieth anniversary in an interview with Robin in twenty seventeen. 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: We won the Kid's Choice eteen choice in People's Choice Award. Wow. 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: It was a huge Yeah, I mean that was amazing 17 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: for us in just such a well Rowano. Well, I'm excited. 18 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: I want the Casier's choice to worry Richards into the 19 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: coffee as you get older. You wanted to be quick. Yeah, 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: French anymore? You've heard of all day? Yeah, well known. 21 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: I've known Bob since I was eighteen. Yeah you know 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: even now. Sage brings a smile to our face. But 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: long story short, questions are swirling about his CD, cause 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: of death. A lot of it just doesn't make sense 25 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: what we're being told. I mean to see grace. This 26 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thank you for being with us here 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. What happened 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: in that hotel room? Those are the questions one of 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,279 Speaker 1: many questions that we want answers to take a listen. 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at GMA. Now listen to 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: the nine one one call. Okay, and what's going on now? Um? 32 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: We have all we have an unresponsive guests in a room. 33 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: My officers telling me that he that is no pulse 34 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: and the okay, what room number he's in? Room? Okay? 35 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: Non responsive? Not breathing, yeah, um, not responsive, not breathing. 36 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: I am no pulse okay, stam aline for medical one moment, 37 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: so we know at the beginning he already had no 38 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: pulse and was not breathing when people walked into the 39 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: hotel room. Now take a listen to more regarding that 40 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: nine one one call from Alex Capriellaine, what is the 41 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: location of ther emergency help? Unresponsive guests in a room, 42 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: My officers telling me that he is that guest later 43 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: identified to be comedian Bob Saggett found dead in his 44 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Ritz Carlton hotel room in Florida. A police report released 45 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: Monday details the moment hotel security entered Saggott's ninth floor 46 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: room to check on his well being after his family 47 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: had been unable to reach him and alerted the hotel. 48 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: The report states the hotel employee found the lights off 49 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: upon entering the room. Saggott's body was on the bed, 50 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: with his left arm across his chest and his right 51 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: arm resting on the bed. Saggett, the report reads, was 52 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: quote cold to the touch. The employee checked for breathing 53 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: in a pulse, but neither were detected. Already cold to 54 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: the touch. Let me ins see you one of the 55 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: members of an all star panel to make sense of 56 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: what we know right now. Renowned medical examer the chief 57 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: of Medical examer joining us out of Bay Camp, Michigan, 58 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: author of American Narcan On Amazon doctor William Maroney, Doctor Moroney, 59 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us limited question at this juncture. 60 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: Before I get to the cod I simply want to 61 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: know one thing, doctor Moroney. What does that mean to 62 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: you that he was already cold to the touch. He 63 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: was laying there for five or six or seven hours. 64 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: That's how long it takes to be cold to touch, 65 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: doctor Moroney. He's not out in Siberia, He's in the ritz, Carlton, 66 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: don't you think his body would have been the temperature 67 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: of the ambiance air ambient air is It doesn't matter. 68 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: He is ninety eight point six alive. He assumes room temperature, 69 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: which is somewhere around fifty and you begin to lose 70 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: immediately when your circulation stops. When he laid down, if 71 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: his heart stopped, if he had bleeding problems. People are 72 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: warm for two or three hours in close Why don't 73 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 1: you stay at least a temperature of the room. Well, 74 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: because I like a little discourse with you and we 75 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: can discuss that, and maybe I just want an answer. 76 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm not here for a medical lecture in medschool. Just 77 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: tell me, because from my just citizen brain, I'm a 78 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I'm not a medical professional. It 79 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: seems to me that your body would stay the temperature 80 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: of the room and not get cold. Yeah, but it's 81 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: air conditioning down there, so people are trying to cool 82 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: the body down. That's it. Okay, So you're saying that 83 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: may have been the temp of the room. Yes, Okay, 84 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: now I understand, doctor Moroni. Just bear with me. I'm 85 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: just a lawyer, Okay. I'm not an MD, I'm a JD. 86 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm not even a DDS. I don't know how to 87 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: pull it too, So help me out. Friend, Guys, what 88 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: happened to one of the most famous comedians in our country? 89 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: He has had one hit TV series after the next, 90 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: but yet we can't make sense of his CD cause 91 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: of death. Now take a listen to our cut one. 92 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: This is GMA Overnight, the comedic legend, passing away in 93 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: a hotel in Orlando, where he was in the middle 94 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: of a comedy tour that begin in September. Advising is 95 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: the obvious death stating or FACULI found I guess not 96 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: breathing the pull. The circumstances of his death remain unclear, 97 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: but detectives say they found no signs of foul play 98 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: or drug use in his final tweet posted yesterday, Sagitt writing, 99 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: love tonight's show. I had no idea. I did a 100 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: two hour set tonight. I'm happily addicted again to this. 101 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: Ahead of the tour, Sagitt reflected on his career in 102 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: comedy with our Jacksonville affiliate w j XX that they's 103 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: found about money. If you're doing stuff to your famous, 104 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: that's not the answer. You got to do a few 105 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: love without your heart, his love for Kraft, pushing others 106 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: to follow in his footsteps. Tim Wilkins opened for Sage 107 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: during his last set. I asked, are you so enjoying this? 108 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: And he said, I think I'm enjoying it now more 109 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: than ever. I appreciate all those comments and all the 110 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: well wishes. There are people that are deeply mourning his 111 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: death right now. But all I can think about is 112 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: what really happened? Because how do you innocently or by accident, 113 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: get multiple fractures to the head in the back and 114 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: the front. How does that happen innocently? Again, I'm just 115 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: a lawyer, But it doesn't make sense to me. Does 116 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: it make sense to you people here in this No, 117 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: does not make sense. There may be an explanation. Let's 118 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: find it. Take a listen now to Jim Murray inside edition, 119 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: Bob Saggett had arranged for a late three pm checkout time. 120 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: When he didn't show, a housekeeper and hotel security went 121 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: to his room. They reportedly found him in bed, unconscious. 122 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: His room was neat, his bags were packed and by 123 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: the door, ready to go. We're told that a member 124 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: of the hotel staff desperately tried to perform CPR, but 125 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: to know of at an obvious stating or fecuio prophone 126 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: against not breathing. According to an Orange County Sheriff incident report, 127 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: all the lights were off in Saggot's room. He was 128 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: cold to the touch, and his left arm was across 129 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: his chest. His wife, Kelly, was called immediately and told 130 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: the tragic news. Saggott has recently recovered from about with 131 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, which he spoke about on a podcast last week. 132 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: It does not feel good. I had it. I don't 133 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: know if I had Delta or Combo. Maybe at one 134 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: point they were working together. He even joked it might 135 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: attract more people to his shows. What the hell, what 136 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: are we going to see? Bob? You know he might 137 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: die from COVID. Let's go see him. Don't say that, 138 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, joking at the very end. You know. My 139 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: takeaway everybody has their own interpretation of what they see, 140 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: what they hear. What I hear as a trial lawyer 141 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: was that he was alive and fine at the end 142 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: of the show the night before and it probably ran 143 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: late at a comedy club. Three pm. The next day, 144 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,359 Speaker 1: he's dead and cold. We just heard a renowned medical examiner, 145 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: doctor William Moroney and author state that it would take 146 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: several hours I believe he said three to six hours 147 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: to get to that. Was it three or six? Moroni, Well, 148 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: he begin to lose temperature immediately in warmth, but to 149 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: be quick, five to six? Thank you. You know you 150 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: could have answered that in one word. Six that would 151 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: have been an answer, just mildly suggesting that, just throwing 152 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: it out there. So we have Let's just pretend midnight 153 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: when he gets back, till three pm the next day. 154 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: If it takes six hours to get cold, at the minimum, 155 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: we'll go with five. Because Maroni said five to six, 156 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: that means three pm. That goes back to about ten am. 157 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: So between midnight and ten a m. Those are the 158 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: hours in question. All the lights off, he's lying in bed, 159 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: his bags are neatly packed at the door. You know 160 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: what that you threw me a flashback? Karen Stark Esteemed 161 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. You can find her 162 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com. Karen with a See Karen, 163 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: remember when we first started covering Natalie Holloway's disappearance, that 164 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: all she had packed, all of her bags, had them 165 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: ready to go at the door of her hotel room, 166 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: ready to go. And that tells me, and I remember 167 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: your words, Karen start way back when that she was organized. 168 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: She didn't plan anything out of the ordinary to happen. 169 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: And we see the same thing here with Sackett. What 170 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: does that tell you, Karen start, Well, it tells me 171 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: that he's prepared to go home, that there's no indication 172 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: at least branded anything that's going wrong. Nancy, the whole 173 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: thing is very suspicious. It just doesn't make any kind 174 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: of sense that he would that the police would say 175 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: shell But how can you fall over and over again? 176 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly? And I remember also, just to bring in 177 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: a narrative, when you and I were covering the case 178 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: of the wife of a politician, that was found at 179 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of the steps, and she had multiple blows 180 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: and bruises and cuts to her body. And I just 181 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: didn't see how all that could happen, you know, in 182 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: ten steps. I just I don't buy it. Crime Stories 183 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. How did this guy so alive, so successful, 184 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: so well known, and up dead in his own hotel room. 185 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: What happened in those ten hours? Take a listen now 186 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: to our cut to This is Stephen Fabian inside edition. 187 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: How Bob Sag had suffered that one fatal blow to 188 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: the back of his head remains a mystery. The medical 189 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: examiner says it was due to a fall backwards. But 190 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: today there's a new theory emerging. As Bob Sagan returned 191 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: to his hotel at two seventeen in the morning, it's 192 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: possible he could have banged his head on the frame 193 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: of his car or on the lid of his trunk. 194 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: After all, Bob Sagan was six foot five, so you 195 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: could see how he could hit his head in such 196 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: a way. There are also several places in his hotel 197 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: room where he might have struck his head in a 198 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: slip and fall. A marble table, a wooden desk, shower 199 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: fittings or the tile floor. Head trauma specialist doctor Robert 200 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: Duarte studied the autopsy report. This wasn't just a little 201 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: bump on the head right exactly. There were fractures in 202 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: the base of the skull, in the occipital region, the 203 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: temper region. There was also fractures in the front above 204 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: the eye, on both sides of the of the skull. 205 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: So even though we're hearing he hit his head on 206 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: the back of his head, it caused fractures in three places, 207 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: even the front exactly. Okay, I'm still going to introduce 208 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: to you all of our panel, but I've just got 209 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: to go very quickly to Dominate Romano, high profile lawyer 210 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: and entertainment lawyer joining us out of New York at 211 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: Romano Law dot com. Dominic, come on, before any murder 212 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: case or any case dealing with medical facts or science. 213 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: I would go to the medical examiners, go through it literally, 214 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: line by line, sometimes it word by word, because sometimes 215 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: it really didn't make sense to me. This doesn't make sense, Dominic, 216 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: This does not make sense. He's hit on the front 217 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: of the head and the back of the head, and 218 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: they're saying, oh, maybe he hit his car trunk really 219 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: with a of his hand, and then he turns around 220 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: and throws his head back on it. Just does that 221 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: make sense? Oh, it doesn't seem to add up. How 222 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: do you deal with that at trial, Dominant, when the 223 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: medical facts just don't make sense. No, but you have 224 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: to look. My sympathy here is with the family, right. 225 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: Obviously it's interesting, the public is fascinated, but at the 226 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: end of the day, the family has a right to 227 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: privacy here, right, I'm sorry, Dominate, we weren't talking about 228 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: the family's privacy. I'm talking about when speculation. Actually it's 229 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: not because the autopsy is out. So tell me why 230 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: it's not. Tell me why it's not speculation, Ncy. Okay, 231 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: tell me what the facts are. You know. I'll let 232 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: doctor William Rowney do that as well as Nicole Parton, 233 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Crime Online. Nicole Parton, what do we 234 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: know of the autopsy of the injuries to his head, Nancy, 235 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: We know that he had injuries from the back of 236 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: the skull all the way to the front of the skull, 237 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: and he also had fractures to both of his eye sockets. 238 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: His brain bleed was on both sides of the brain, 239 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: and all medical professionals who are reading the autopsy report 240 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: are saying, it is that that would be compared to 241 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: being beat with a baseball bat. If it was from 242 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: a fall, it would be indicative of falling twenty to 243 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: thirty feet. Okay, is that confusing enough for you? Dominant romana, 244 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: you think that's speculation. The key phrase there's could be, 245 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: it could be thin, or it could not be thine. 246 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: And you know, until the facts come out, until we 247 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: know more, we are doing nothing other than speculating. Guys, 248 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: taken listen to our friends at ABC. This is Victoria 249 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: Kannado suffering fractures to the front and back of his 250 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: skull as well as bleeding in his brain. A toxicology 251 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: analysis uncovering no illicit drugs or toxins, according to seg 252 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: It's family authorities, determining that after he hit his head 253 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: he went to sleep. But certainly not about the height 254 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: of which you fall, as traumatic brain injuries that can 255 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: be associated with the dangerous problem can happen from standing height, 256 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: and it's not about the force. It can actually just 257 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: simply be a coincidence that you strike your head at 258 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: the wrong place, at the wrong time. The family attorney 259 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: called the judge here gracious, saying that they're pleased the 260 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: court decided to focus on the human elements. The sheriff 261 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: has gone on the record saying unless any new information 262 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: comes to light, this investigation is closed. Interesting take a 263 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: listen to our cut sixteen from Crime Online mob Sacket's 264 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: autopsy showed ruptured veins in the space between the brain 265 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: and its membrane covering. This injury caused blood to pool 266 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:48,359 Speaker 1: and compressed critical areas. The injuries listed included posterior scalp abrasions, 267 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: subgalital hemorrhage, discoloration in the upper and lower eyelids due 268 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: to skull fracture, subdual hematoma, and sub aractoid hemorrhage. Doctor 269 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: Gavin Britz tells The New York Times set the injuries 270 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: to indicate significant trauma the time you would find and 271 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: someone beaten with a baseball bat or someone who had 272 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: fallen twenty to thirty feet. The autopsy described fractures to 273 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: the thick parts of the skull, as well as to 274 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: the bones of the roof of the ice hocket. Saget's 275 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: death was ruled accidental, with the injuries occurring most likely 276 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: from a fall, but there are no other injuries to 277 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: his body. No illegal drugs or alcohol were detected in 278 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: his system, but two prescription drugs were clonazepam, which is 279 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: used to treat panic attacks and prevent seizures, and trazodone 280 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: and antidepressant. The autopsy report also found that Saget had 281 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: an enlarged heart. To Nicole Pardon, joining US Crime online 282 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter tell us what happened leading up 283 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: to a head injury so severe it's akin to being 284 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: beaten with a baseball bat, yet it's been ruled accidental. 285 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: What led up to that? To him going to his room? 286 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: So he had performed a stand up show in Jackson's, 287 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: a late show. He had posted on social media about 288 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: realizing that he had done a two hour set, so 289 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: the show ran late. He got back into Orlando. The 290 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: Ritz Carlton video surveillance shows him going into the hotel 291 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: room at two seventeen am, hanging the do not disturb 292 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: sign on the doorknob, and locking the door behind him. 293 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: There was no one seen entering or exiting the room 294 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: until that following afternoon, when the hotel staff go in 295 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: to do the well check on him. We also know 296 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: that once he was inside the room after that two 297 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: seventeen am Mark, he made a phone call to his wife, 298 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: telling her that he would be catching his flight out 299 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: the next day, heading back home to California. They exchanged 300 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: I love you's and said good night, and that was 301 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: the last person to have spoken to him and the 302 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: last time that he was seen alive. You know what's 303 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: interesting to me, evidentiarily is that you say he went 304 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: in with his key card as you say two seventeen am. Yes, correct, 305 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: And according to doctor William Moroney, based on the temperature 306 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: of the body at three pm when he was found dead, 307 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: that gives me between two seventeen am and ten am, 308 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: that's less than eight hours what happened. Take a listen 309 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: to Steve Fabian at Inside Edition. The autopsy on the 310 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: beloved comedian found he died of blunt head trauma, most 311 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: likely incurred from an unwitnessed fall. The just released autopsy 312 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: report says the blow was so severe he had multiple 313 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: skull fractures, bleeding on the brain, bruising around the eyes, 314 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: and an abrasion on the back of the head measuring 315 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: one by one point three inches The report says sagged 316 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: was six feet five inches and weighed two hundred and 317 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: twenty eight pounds, and it found that at the time 318 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: of death, he tested positive for COVID. Sixty five year 319 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: old Sagged was found dead in room nine sixty two 320 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Orlando last month. His 321 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: hotel keycard showed he checked into his room at two 322 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: seventeen am after a stand up performance. At three forty 323 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: two am, he posted this photo with the message love 324 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: the show tonight and we're learning the theory that he 325 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: may have hit his head on the trunk of the 326 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: vehicle that's not gonna fly. Take a listen to Steve 327 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: Fabian Inside Edition Our Cut nineteen, an Inside Edition producer, 328 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: checked into the hotel today to investigate what could have 329 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: happened to Saget. There was a report that he could 330 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: have hit his head on the headboard, but you can 331 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: see this headboard is very soft. However, next to the 332 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: bed is a nightstand with a marble top. Hitting his 333 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: head here would have caused a lot of damage. The 334 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: bathroom is very small with a lot of hard services. 335 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: He could have banged his head anywhere in here or 336 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: slipped on the floor to Lisa Daddy, I'm joining us 337 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: for a police lieutenant with have a PD senior lecturer 338 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: and director for the Center for Advanced Policing. Lisa Daddy, 339 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Shouldn't the room have 340 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: been processed to find out if there were blood for instance, 341 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: if there was blood for instance, on the bedside table, 342 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: in the bathroom anywhere. Yes. Absolutely. The reality of it 343 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: is that you need to treat every death scene as 344 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: if it's a homicide until proven otherwise, So you would 345 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: look at everything and all the possibilities of what could 346 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: have happened in the room, especially with somebody that has 347 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: the renowned presence that Bob has. So to doctor William Roney, 348 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: do you agree or disagree with what Daddy had just said? 349 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, And you have to look at the timing. 350 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: He may have hit his head at two totally different times. 351 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: We cannot assume. Okay, whoa he have had one. So 352 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: you're saying he coincidentally kid has head twice in one night. 353 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: That's crazy talk. No, why is that crazy talk? Nancy? 354 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: Why is that crazy talk? Someone is disoriented? Okay, they're asleep, 355 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: they're half asleep, they fall, they get up, they fall again. 356 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean this is about respect. That would be too, 357 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: that would be the same incident. They you hit your 358 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: head and your grow game, you fall and hit it again. 359 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: Maroni is exactly what we're saying. Plus they say there's 360 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: no illicit drugs. But tresitone is a sleep aid, and 361 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: klonopin or clinasapam is called a sedative hypnotics. One of 362 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: the side effects of chronic klonopin is amnesia. It helps 363 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: people forget things. So if you hit yourself, you did 364 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: I hit myself? One of the side effects when you 365 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: take the medicine. Did I take the medicine? I don't 366 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: remember taking the medicine. You take more, and then you 367 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: take more, and then you say, did I take the medicine? 368 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Klonopin is not a real good, clean drug. 369 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: It leads to a proactive amnesia with exposure. And that's 370 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: where he could have hit his head twice, not thinking unwitnessed. 371 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: You mean there in the hotel room, hitting his head 372 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: twice right there, Well, he could have hit his head 373 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: when he was in the bathroom and then he got 374 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: up and then and then he fell, so so then 375 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: he brow out fractures in his eye. When you said 376 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: two incidents, I thought he meant, for instance, he hit 377 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: his head at the comedy club and then he hit 378 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: his head in his room, because I consider all of 379 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: what happened in the room to be one ongoing incident. 380 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: And what is the street name of klonopin, Dr Maroney? 381 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: Or is there one? Is that the street name? Well, 382 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: that Clannis. They liked your clannie klo n I Clannie. 383 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: But you know, Clonopin is a valum, Clonopin is a xanix. 384 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: They're all in the same family, and they lead to amnesia. 385 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: They lead to early Alzheimer's. If you take it for 386 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: years and years, and it's really only meant to be 387 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: given for five or six months, you would forget and 388 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: have bad judgment, Doctor Moroney. What is the so called 389 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: natural sleep aid melotonin melin? I was just reading a 390 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: few months ago that extended use of even melatonin can 391 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: give you loss of memory. Yeah, I mean, have a cookie, 392 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: have some milk, have a little piece of chocolate. And 393 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: what was the other Dragmaroni? That sage. Trazodone is a 394 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: classic sleep agent. It's delivered anywhere from two hundred and 395 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty milligrams at bedtime. And it's also an antidepressant, 396 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: but it's used at bedtime because it's a sedative. And 397 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: after you take that, patients say to me, look, I 398 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: gotta get in bed. I gotta sit down when I 399 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: take my trazodone. If I'm not in bed, you know, 400 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: I wobble. I can have a hard time getting to 401 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: the bedroom. But well, injuries. What I'm sorry, who's that is? That? 402 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: Was that dominant romana? Go ahead, dominant? Yeah, but all 403 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: of these facts imply some sort of self induced situation. 404 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: Right Where is the evidence of the so called baseball 405 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: bat of someone surreptitiously entering this room house. I'm just 406 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: telling you what the medical examiners who have weighed in 407 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: on this are saying, I don't know. I think you're 408 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: a JD. I was counting on the mds to explain 409 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: that for me. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's not 410 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: the first time something like this may have happened. Take 411 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty one. This is Sky News. 412 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure we all remember Natasha Richardson, the star of 413 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: Parent Trap Beautiful talented listen arriving home late last night. 414 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson's closest family m Neeson, her husband of fifteen 415 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: years with him, her sister Jolie, and mother Vanessa Redgrave, 416 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: all clearly in shock at such a sudden loss. Our 417 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: accident appeared at first to be trivial, a tumble on 418 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: the nursery slope at this Canadian ski resort. Those that 419 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: saw it say she got up quickly, even laughed it off, 420 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: but later she complained of a headache. She was taken 421 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: to the Sacroca Hospital in Montreal. Little was released of 422 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: her condition clearly, though it worsened considerably. With her husband 423 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: by her side, She was transferred to New York, by 424 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: this stage thought to be on life support. There, her family, 425 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: including her two teenage boys, spent what little time they 426 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 1: had by her side. A family statement read, Liam Neeson, 427 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: his sons and the entire family are shocked and devastated 428 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: by the tragic death of their beloved Natasha Dodger Moroney. 429 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: What happened? I don't understand you get but literally a 430 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: bump to the hair, she quote laughed it off, and 431 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: then dies. That's because the head is a closed environment 432 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: with a fixed volume, and when you bleed and the 433 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: brain swells. There is no room for swelling or edema. 434 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: So the swelling and the bleeding edema emane blading swelling. Yeah, 435 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: the blood there's no room. Edema is the swelling of 436 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 1: tissue because of fluid. The fluid is it could be blood, 437 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: but it could be just you know, fluid from blood. 438 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: There is no room on her hair inside that skull, 439 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: and there's no room. And then what happens. And then 440 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: you begin to press on the brain, and the inner 441 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: pressure pressing on the brain presses on vital areas that 442 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: help you breathe, that help you think, that help your 443 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: heart beat, and when those errors are pressed, you stop breathing. 444 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: You know, doctor Moroney, I don't know if you know this, 445 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: but you had a profound effect on me and my 446 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: family because when John David and you and I had 447 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: worked many cases together, Doctor Maroney, at this time, when 448 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: John David was just a little little boy, he was 449 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: running my son, my twin boy. He was running holding 450 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: a ball at a birthday party and they had the 451 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: party on a professional grade basketball court at a fitness 452 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: workout place. He was running and he tripped and instead 453 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: of letting the go of the ball and stopping his 454 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: con fall. He was only three. He held onto the 455 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: ball and somehow hit on his head first. You'd think 456 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: that's no big deal, right, just a fall. No, his 457 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: head immediately swelled up the size of a mango. It 458 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: was big, and it was so bad and so immediate. 459 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: He was screaming. We were up like the fourth floor. 460 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't wait on the elevator. I had him in 461 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: my arms and I walked down, ran four flights, ran 462 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: to the car, holding him to get him to the 463 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: ar Do you know he was in the emergency Wait. 464 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: We took him to the emergency room. They said nothing 465 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: was wrong. We came back home and he later said, 466 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: I see two mommies. I see two mommies. He had 467 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: blurred vision, he was disoriented, and my husband said he'll 468 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: be fine, He'll be fine, and everybody went to bed. 469 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: I laid there for about forty five minutes, thinking what 470 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: you had said on a similar case. God dressed him, 471 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: took him to the ear. He had a horrible concussion. 472 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: He was in the hospital for four nights because I thought, 473 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: what if I'm lying here in bed and he's got 474 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: a slow bleed to the brain. Now we talked about 475 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson. If you're not familiar with Parent Traps, Lucy's 476 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: favorite movie, I've watched it twenty times. I know I've 477 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: watched it twenty times. What about Sonny Bono? Sonny and 478 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: Share take a listen to our friends at Dateline. Congressman 479 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: Sonny Bono was fatally injured in the skiing accident. What 480 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: happened here was big news everywhere, as if we knew 481 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: him shortly after four or thirty yesterday afternoons Heavenly received 482 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: a missing person report in it. Yesterday, when the Heavenly 483 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: Ski resort closed and his wife Mary reported him missing, 484 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: Nobody seemed very worried, not at first, even though Michael 485 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: Kennedy had skied into a tree and died just days before. 486 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: Everyone here knows it's a relatively safe sport. Last year, 487 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: just thirty six people died in skiing accidents, a tiny 488 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: fraction of the number killed in bicycle accidents. Sonny Bono 489 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: was an expert skier. He had gone off the trail 490 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: for or run through the woods, but just starting down 491 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: when he hit this tree. Today, the coroner said death 492 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: was instantaneous. His death was caused by massive head injuries 493 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: due to plunt Orst trauma. Now here's a name that 494 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: I knew, but I didn't know enough about it until 495 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: my son has wrote me into the same song with 496 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: the concussion to Top Gear, which we now watch all 497 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: the time. It's about three guys that go from country 498 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: to country, exploring the country and crazy cars, crazy expensive cars. 499 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: They often have alluded to this guy, Michael Schumacher, one 500 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: of the world famous Formula One race car drivers. Beyond 501 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: compare listen. The forty four year old Schumacher was skiing 502 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: with his fourteen year old son in an ungroomed part 503 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: of the trail when he fell and slammed the right 504 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: side of his head on a rock. Schumacher was wearing 505 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: a helmet at the time of the accident. Emergency responders 506 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: say he was conscious when they arrived, although they say 507 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: he appeared to be in shock and his limbs were 508 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: moving involuntarily. Shortly after, he slipped into a coma. He 509 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: was airlifted to a hospital where he underwent immediate brain 510 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: surgery to remove a blood clot and reduce swelling. The 511 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: operations done to give the brain more room. Doctor David 512 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: Langer is director of neurosurgery at Lennox Hill Hospital in 513 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: New York. The most important reason to operate is not 514 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: necessarily to take the clot out, though, is to relieve 515 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: the pressure on the brain. You know, the swelling itself 516 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 1: can be very problematic and very difficult to deal with. 517 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: Seven time Formula One World champion Michael Schumacher not in 518 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: good shape at all. We hear various reports is he's 519 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: still on an ventilator. We don't know he's hanging onto 520 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: life by a thread. But what I don't understand, and 521 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: it's why there were injuries to the back and the 522 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: front of Saget's head. To Lisa Daddio, I just to 523 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: suddenly say the case it's accidental, case closed without even 524 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: investigating the room where he died. That doesn't make sense 525 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: to me. So it's hard nasty because you know, they 526 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: haven't come out to say that that wasn't done. But 527 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: they also haven't come out to say that it was done. 528 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: What do you know, Nicole Parton, because we've heard nothing 529 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: about the room being processed. So I'm being told that 530 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: investigation did take place in the room and there was 531 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: no blood or hair found on the marble top tables 532 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: that were beside the bed. There was no blood or 533 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: hair found on the headboard, and so detectives are leaning 534 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: toward the idea that he fell somewhere on the white 535 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: marble flooring in the bathroom. Again clearly speculation on their part, 536 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: but from the investigation. But they are saying that there 537 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: was no blood or hair found on the marble table 538 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: or the headboard that was inside the room. They're also 539 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: saying that the room was completely in order, nothing in disarray, 540 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: nothing out of place. Everything looked as it did when 541 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: he walked into the room. Basically, I vote for the bathroom, 542 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: I vote for the marble in the bathroom. That's it, 543 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: and I vote for two separate incidents of he fell twice. 544 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: That's why you have a blunt force trauma in different places. 545 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: To doctor William Moroney is joining US Chief Medical Examiner, 546 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: Bay County, Michigan. There was a laceration to his head. 547 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: How do you explain a blow to the front, a 548 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: blow to the back, massive head injuries as if he 549 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: had been beaten with a baseball bat, and no blood 550 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: found in the room. Even though there was a laceration 551 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: to his head cut his laceration isn't a perfect place 552 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: to show that he fell backwards, and the blunt force 553 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: injury is his head hitting a very hard surface, which 554 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: would cause skin to tear. Doesn't necessarily need to bleed 555 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: on the outside, but that force is transmitted into the 556 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: brain and the brain bled on the inside. That's the 557 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: perfect fall backwards. But the bleeding on the front and 558 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: the back is a medical phenomenon called coup and count 559 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: coup injuries. That means, when you fall backwards, you hit 560 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: the back of your head, but your nogging, your brain 561 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: slams forward and you cause damage on the inside of 562 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: the skull to the front of the brain. That's very 563 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: common coup and countra coup injuries. And I stand by 564 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: the fact that he probably fell twice in two separate incidents. 565 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: The second fall might have been the result of being 566 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: dizzy from the first ball. A fall, a simple fall, 567 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: not slamming into a tree like the other incidents with 568 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson and Sonny Bono and Michael Simaker at sixty mph. 569 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: But a fall, a simple fall, you're telling me, can 570 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: result in the force I'm looking like he was hit 571 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: by a baseball bat. Yes. And the other thing is 572 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: when you're hit by a post or a baseball bat. 573 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: It makes a very specific impression in the brain and 574 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: in the bone on how that is falling is a 575 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: flat crack and a long linear object makes a very 576 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: specific pattern that a medical examiner would have said blunt 577 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: force injury from an object as opposed to blunt force 578 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: injury from a fall. This all works out. It actually 579 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: does work out that there's two incidents a fall and 580 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: you can't say which one goes first, but they're both 581 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: because of accident, because of toxic city, not because of overdose. 582 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with toxicity 583 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: or overdose. That's very clear to me. These two drugs 584 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: klawn a pen and the other trusdem. That has nothing 585 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: to do with what happened to him. HiT's a head injury. 586 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to sort out what I know of the 587 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: head injury. Hit to the front, a hit to the back, 588 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: a laceration, no blood, nothing, But to the point earlier 589 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 1: made by dominant romano, the family seems well. I can't 590 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: speak for the family, but I do know this. Take 591 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC cut ten a 592 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: judging Florida, the granting Bob Saggot's family a temporary injunction 593 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: blocking the public relief of any graphic images or a 594 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: video linked to investigations into his death. Saggot's widow, Kelly Rizzo, 595 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: and three daughters finding a lawsuit against the Orange County 596 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: Sheriff and the Medical Examiner's Office, saying the release of 597 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: certain records would lead to immediate and widespread dissemination to 598 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: the Internet as well as print and television media outlets, 599 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: causing the family irreparable harm in the form of mental pain, anguish, 600 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: and emotional distress. The Sheriff's office saying, well, we are 601 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: sensitive to the family's concerns about the right to privacy 602 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: that must be balanced with our commitment to transparency, compliance 603 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: with the law, and the public's right to know. Still 604 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: fans questioning how a fall led to the beloved Full 605 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: House star's death in an Orlando hotel room in January 606 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: nine two, a medical examiner's report revealing Sage died from 607 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: blunt head trauma, likely from an unwitnessed fall, backwards to 608 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: Karen Start joining us psychologist joining us out of Manhattan today, Karen, 609 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: the family is trying to stop and I don't blame them. 610 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: Can you imagine releasing video or photo of the room 611 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: or God forbid his body, what Guel would do that. 612 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: But that's what happens when people are curious, when the 613 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 1: public really there's a really a vicious kind of excitement 614 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: about seeing the scene of for instance, with Kobe Bryant, 615 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: and if you recall, they had somebody got to hold 616 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: the pictures of the helicopter crash and they disseminated to 617 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: the media and then they had to fight and sue 618 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: to make sure that those pictures weren't shown. You're absolutely right, Karen, 619 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: And what I'm saying right now is until his death, 620 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: Bob Saget's death makes sense to the public, there are 621 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: going to be people digging and searching and trying to 622 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: find out what happened. It's not to reconcile with everyday 623 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: people like myself, like everyone, what happened to a guy 624 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: that was so beloved our thoughts in prayers, with his family, 625 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: and straight to hell with anyone that tries to publish 626 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: photos or videos of his room, his autopsy report, or him. 627 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's signing off Goodbye friend,