1 00:00:30,279 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,559 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perrillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame, 5 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:40,359 Speaker 2: Mike Raybold. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,439 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,399 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian Hoyer. 9 00:00:48,278 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 2: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 10 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:55,679 Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 12 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:58,999 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:09,038 Speaker 4: By Mike Hi Hi Karen, Good morning. Is that Joe's okay? 14 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:09,359 Speaker 3: Karen? 15 00:01:09,399 --> 00:01:12,999 Speaker 4: What do you got? No statements? What do you got? 16 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 4: Thank God? 17 00:01:24,839 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 3: Uh? Huh even feeling and basically how did that all help? Yeah? 18 00:01:33,559 --> 00:01:36,879 Speaker 2: Well again, Uh, just looking at the staff. Extremely proud 19 00:01:36,919 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: of the staff that we were able to put together. 20 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 3: Uh. 21 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:43,359 Speaker 2: It's difficult in the National Football League to be able 22 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:46,158 Speaker 2: to get you know, every coach that you may covet 23 00:01:46,279 --> 00:01:49,079 Speaker 2: or may wanna get outside the the coordinators that you 24 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:51,439 Speaker 2: know aren't a coordinator somewhere else just because of the roles. 25 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:54,319 Speaker 2: Like teams are under contract, some teams wanna keep the 26 00:01:54,319 --> 00:01:56,519 Speaker 2: the coaches that they have they feel like they're good coaches. 27 00:01:56,559 --> 00:01:58,999 Speaker 2: But we were able to put together a great staff, 28 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:01,079 Speaker 2: one that we're really proud of. And and you asked 29 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 2: about Josh and I would say that, you know, having 30 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:07,119 Speaker 2: had communications with Josh in in my role in Cleveland. Uh, 31 00:02:07,199 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 2: he wasn't under contract with a team, So we had 32 00:02:11,079 --> 00:02:15,999 Speaker 2: numerous conversations, interviewed a a handful of great candidates, and 33 00:02:16,478 --> 00:02:18,439 Speaker 2: you know, in the NFL, like Josh was the best 34 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: fit to to lead our offense, just like Terrell was 35 00:02:20,918 --> 00:02:23,279 Speaker 2: the best fit to to lead our defense. And and 36 00:02:23,358 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 2: Jeremy and Tom were turning to to lead the special 37 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: teams unit. What are. 38 00:02:31,399 --> 00:02:31,879 Speaker 3: The defense? 39 00:02:32,038 --> 00:02:33,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the plan, you know what I mean. Like 40 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: he's gonna be the defensive coordinator, He's gonna call defenses. 41 00:02:36,279 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 2: And you know, he's an aggressive minded coach that's coached 42 00:02:41,319 --> 00:02:44,918 Speaker 2: really aggressive defensive linemen. Uh, that's what he Uh, that's 43 00:02:44,959 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: his background. And so I've enjoyed the process of what 44 00:02:48,839 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: he's learned when he's gone to Detroit, what he learned 45 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: with us in Tennessee. 46 00:02:52,758 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 3: UH to be able. 47 00:02:53,519 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 2: To tie the back end together with with the stuff 48 00:02:56,239 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: that we want to do with the front and those 49 00:02:58,119 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: conversations that have been going on UH in the last 50 00:03:01,239 --> 00:03:04,759 Speaker 2: couple of weeks since everybody's been together for a point 51 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,879 Speaker 2: in Cleveland where there was a conversation about whether a 52 00:03:08,959 --> 00:03:11,918 Speaker 2: permanent job was in the future for you, and did 53 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:12,358 Speaker 2: you tell. 54 00:03:12,279 --> 00:03:14,159 Speaker 3: Him no, my plan is to leave. 55 00:03:14,399 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: No, I would didn't want to permanently consult in Cleveland 56 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:18,879 Speaker 2: for the rest of my career. 57 00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: Different position. No, No, enjoyed my time. 58 00:03:22,999 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 2: I appreciate UH, Jimmy and d tire Hashim family, Andrew 59 00:03:28,359 --> 00:03:31,038 Speaker 2: and and Kevin and the relationships that I got to 60 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:36,039 Speaker 2: make there. It's been fun to see those individuals. I 61 00:03:36,079 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 2: walked into the suite last night in between interviews and 62 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 2: they said, I'll get out of here. I said, I 63 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:41,879 Speaker 2: don't work for you guys anymore. You can't tell me 64 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 2: what to do. So it was fun just to see 65 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:47,479 Speaker 2: them and No, but there was no conversation. 66 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:48,719 Speaker 3: About any long term plans. There was. 67 00:03:49,239 --> 00:03:52,319 Speaker 2: I mean, I would have, you know, listened because I 68 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:54,879 Speaker 2: didn't have a job at the time. You learn from 69 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:57,719 Speaker 2: that experience in Cleveland that helped contribute to you as 70 00:03:57,719 --> 00:03:58,319 Speaker 2: a coach. 71 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:00,279 Speaker 3: Just how critical. 72 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:03,519 Speaker 2: You know, just just the little things right, just the 73 00:04:03,999 --> 00:04:06,999 Speaker 2: staff and being mindful of when new coaches come on 74 00:04:07,079 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 2: to the staff. And I know that Kevin was conscious 75 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:11,799 Speaker 2: of that. I think that's why he I loved the 76 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:14,599 Speaker 2: idea of having me work with the offense. It's something 77 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 2: that I've thought was very beneficial to those coaches, to 78 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:23,199 Speaker 2: me to have conversations the way that some offensive coaches 79 00:04:23,239 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 2: see things and the way that defensive coaches may see 80 00:04:25,678 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: them a little differently. And so have been able to 81 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:33,518 Speaker 2: do that in New England, and and moved Ben over 82 00:04:33,678 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: to to defense to to help to real and that 83 00:04:36,719 --> 00:04:39,199 Speaker 2: staff just look at it from an offensive perspective and 84 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,399 Speaker 2: things that you know, we could make sure that we're 85 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:43,519 Speaker 2: we're taken care of, and that letting slip. 86 00:04:44,079 --> 00:04:44,879 Speaker 3: Mike, how would you. 87 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,558 Speaker 2: Describe how the team will approach free agency? Hopefully? Aggressive? 88 00:04:48,599 --> 00:04:50,118 Speaker 2: I mean we want to be aggressive. We want to 89 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: target players that we feel like are going. 90 00:04:51,719 --> 00:04:52,199 Speaker 4: To help us. 91 00:04:52,558 --> 00:04:54,519 Speaker 2: They're going to be outstanding players, They're going to be 92 00:04:54,558 --> 00:04:57,879 Speaker 2: outstanding additions to the locker room, UH and the community. 93 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,318 Speaker 3: And if that all. 94 00:04:59,119 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: Fits and and and the compensation fits but I'm confident 95 00:05:04,318 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: that we'll be aggressive. We've started some of those discussions, 96 00:05:08,599 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: uh internally, and I think having different plans and having 97 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:14,838 Speaker 2: an Option A and Option B, I mean, things. 98 00:05:14,678 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 3: Are gonna change. 99 00:05:15,359 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: Everybody's looking at the same players, so we have to 100 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:20,398 Speaker 2: be ready to pivot and adjust and have a vision 101 00:05:21,078 --> 00:05:23,079 Speaker 2: for each player. I would say at each level, you know, 102 00:05:23,078 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: I mean, there's gonna be this this high level that 103 00:05:26,719 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: that things are gonna get done very quickly. That'll trend 104 00:05:30,119 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 2: position then to you know, maybe just some some mid 105 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: range dollars. And then obviously you look at opportunities. So 106 00:05:36,558 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: free agency gets broken down into you know, compensation, and 107 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: then it gets broken down into opportunity. And I feel 108 00:05:42,719 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: like we're in a position to offer both as far 109 00:05:45,078 --> 00:05:48,558 Speaker 2: as compensation and opportunity for some of these players. 110 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: Know what's what's What's one of the bigger things that 111 00:05:50,958 --> 00:05:52,639 Speaker 1: team has to do to support Drake Man? 112 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:54,199 Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot, you know. 113 00:05:54,239 --> 00:05:56,519 Speaker 2: I mean again, I think you always talk about being 114 00:05:56,519 --> 00:05:57,439 Speaker 2: able to protect them. 115 00:05:57,438 --> 00:05:59,999 Speaker 3: You have to be able to, you know. 116 00:06:00,479 --> 00:06:02,759 Speaker 2: Have some guys that that can that can help them 117 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 2: on the edges and be able to to make contested 118 00:06:05,318 --> 00:06:06,158 Speaker 2: touches and that don't. 119 00:06:06,159 --> 00:06:06,879 Speaker 3: You don't have to be. 120 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: Perfect right, you don't have to have you know, perfect 121 00:06:10,239 --> 00:06:12,518 Speaker 2: ball placement right. And then those are all things that 122 00:06:12,558 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 2: we talk about trying to support Drake, believe in that 123 00:06:16,438 --> 00:06:19,399 Speaker 2: he is the you know, the future of our franchise 124 00:06:19,438 --> 00:06:21,878 Speaker 2: at quarterback, and being able to meet with him and 125 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:23,399 Speaker 2: talk with him and just get to know him as 126 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: a person. You know, but you have to look at 127 00:06:27,039 --> 00:06:28,999 Speaker 2: the lines of scrimmage, and you look at the look 128 00:06:29,078 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: no further than the super Bowl game where you know 129 00:06:31,558 --> 00:06:34,238 Speaker 2: that that game was clearly run, uh at the line 130 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,879 Speaker 2: of scrimmage. 131 00:06:34,958 --> 00:06:38,878 Speaker 3: Which as much as coming in, I think it's a 132 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:39,398 Speaker 3: good draft. 133 00:06:39,438 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's there's a lot of names, 134 00:06:41,078 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: there's a lot of personalities. 135 00:06:42,799 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 3: Some guys we met last night that were serious. 136 00:06:44,919 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: Some guys had a a different personality, was maybe a 137 00:06:47,678 --> 00:06:52,758 Speaker 2: little bit more you know, engaging, and and I think 138 00:06:52,799 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: that's fine. I think all we're trying to do through 139 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,759 Speaker 2: this process is get the players to be as authentic 140 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:02,238 Speaker 2: as possible, to figure out where the fit is and 141 00:07:02,239 --> 00:07:04,238 Speaker 2: and how they can add to our to our roster 142 00:07:04,318 --> 00:07:06,238 Speaker 2: and our team and the vision that we have for him. 143 00:07:06,239 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: And and I would say that last night was a 144 00:07:08,318 --> 00:07:11,439 Speaker 2: great start, UH going through that process with the you know, 145 00:07:11,479 --> 00:07:13,038 Speaker 2: with the players that came in there, and it just 146 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:14,959 Speaker 2: happened to be the D line and a lot of 147 00:07:14,999 --> 00:07:19,159 Speaker 2: the edge line, edge players in the line, inside linebackers, UH. 148 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:21,359 Speaker 3: Ask years to consult. 149 00:07:21,479 --> 00:07:23,599 Speaker 1: Are those friends you've seen in the NFL that kind 150 00:07:23,599 --> 00:07:26,518 Speaker 1: of change the way you think about ching, where you think. 151 00:07:26,359 --> 00:07:33,358 Speaker 3: About personal different position, But well, I I don't. 152 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,919 Speaker 2: I'm always gonna believe that coaching is about connections and 153 00:07:36,958 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 2: making relationships with players and holding them accountable and being 154 00:07:39,679 --> 00:07:41,479 Speaker 2: honest and giving them things that are gonna. 155 00:07:41,239 --> 00:07:42,479 Speaker 3: Help them and being creative. 156 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,038 Speaker 2: I'll never stray from that, and I'm gonna continue to 157 00:07:46,039 --> 00:07:48,119 Speaker 2: always try to find ways to teach them, whatever their 158 00:07:48,159 --> 00:07:51,399 Speaker 2: capacity is, whatever we have to do to get them 159 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:53,839 Speaker 2: the knowledge that they need. We're gonna try to develop players. 160 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:58,039 Speaker 2: We've done that in our past, in our history, focusing 161 00:07:58,078 --> 00:08:00,759 Speaker 2: on what they can do as opposed to what they can't. 162 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:04,199 Speaker 2: Having an energy every day to come in the building. 163 00:08:05,999 --> 00:08:08,039 Speaker 2: You know, it's a long season, and then I have 164 00:08:08,078 --> 00:08:11,639 Speaker 2: to be able to provide that and let that trickle 165 00:08:11,679 --> 00:08:15,639 Speaker 2: down through our coaches and our players. Trends I think, 166 00:08:15,999 --> 00:08:19,879 Speaker 2: you know, look how critical the nickel position has become 167 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:24,319 Speaker 2: and how dynamic that player can be. You know, you 168 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:27,038 Speaker 2: need guys that can cover, obviously, but the edges of 169 00:08:27,078 --> 00:08:29,319 Speaker 2: the defense and be able to rush and affect the quarterback. 170 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 3: I don't any of that will change. 171 00:08:31,119 --> 00:08:33,639 Speaker 2: There'll be scheme things that change, and it's some teams 172 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:36,239 Speaker 2: believe in our po some believe in, you know, trying 173 00:08:36,239 --> 00:08:38,958 Speaker 2: to block the extra defender. Some teams believe in reading 174 00:08:38,999 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: the end and. 175 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:40,479 Speaker 3: Letting the quarterback. 176 00:08:41,199 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: You know, those are things that we're always going to 177 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: adapt and adjust to and add when we feel like 178 00:08:46,599 --> 00:08:50,718 Speaker 2: is is important. But the fundamentals and the technique, our 179 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:53,159 Speaker 2: effort in which we play with I think those will 180 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:55,998 Speaker 2: withstand the test of time, regardless of what scheme you 181 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:56,718 Speaker 2: want to run. 182 00:08:57,119 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: Like Maage, you've really gotten to know your roster since 183 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:00,519 Speaker 1: you've been hired. 184 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:01,799 Speaker 3: Do you view this. 185 00:09:01,999 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: As a long term rebuild or you know you just 186 00:09:04,479 --> 00:09:06,239 Speaker 1: mentioned you're looking to be aggressive and free agency. 187 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:08,919 Speaker 4: Are you looking for a rapid rate of improvement here? 188 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: Well, we have to improve, I mean I think that's 189 00:09:10,599 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 2: the that's the goal. I don't you know, our expectations 190 00:09:13,719 --> 00:09:15,159 Speaker 2: aren't going to change. It's going to be to win 191 00:09:15,239 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: the division, it's going to be the host home playoff games, 192 00:09:17,239 --> 00:09:19,639 Speaker 2: and it's going to be to compete for championships. So 193 00:09:20,319 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: we're never going to put a time timetable or any 194 00:09:23,119 --> 00:09:25,838 Speaker 2: sort of prediction on when that may happen, but it 195 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: has to happen, and it's going to start April seventh 196 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: when ours come in and we're gonna build a program. 197 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:32,799 Speaker 3: We're gonna have a foundation. 198 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: We're gonna give them something to believe in and to 199 00:09:35,719 --> 00:09:38,399 Speaker 2: be proud of, and hopefully they were able to hold 200 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:40,639 Speaker 2: each other accountable and to that standard. And if not, 201 00:09:40,719 --> 00:09:43,999 Speaker 2: then my job is to protect the football team at all. 202 00:09:44,119 --> 00:09:45,399 Speaker 3: Sorry just to fall up really quickly. 203 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:47,399 Speaker 1: Have you gotten a sense at all locally that that 204 00:09:47,479 --> 00:09:50,999 Speaker 1: fans aren't don't necessarily have the appetite for a longer 205 00:09:50,999 --> 00:09:51,919 Speaker 1: process when it comes. 206 00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:53,479 Speaker 2: To for getting back to that, well, I don't think anybody 207 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 2: has a longer appetite. I mean, we all want to win, 208 00:09:55,759 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 2: Like that's why we're here, That's why I got hired, 209 00:09:59,199 --> 00:10:01,519 Speaker 2: and it's it's to win. It's put a product on 210 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: the field that they can be excited about, that they 211 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:06,999 Speaker 2: can care about and they can support, Like that's the 212 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:07,519 Speaker 2: whole goal. 213 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:08,159 Speaker 3: And I don't. 214 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,879 Speaker 2: They shouldn't have to wait very long, and you know, 215 00:10:11,119 --> 00:10:13,879 Speaker 2: but we also have to understand that, you know, we're 216 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,799 Speaker 2: not gonna fix every issue on the first day of 217 00:10:16,839 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 2: free agency, or we're not going to fill every hole 218 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:24,159 Speaker 2: on the first or second day of the draft. I'm 219 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 2: sorry you had a question right here, just yell, like 220 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: some of these other people gon't be so nice. Given 221 00:10:30,599 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: the amount of salary cap space you guys do have, 222 00:10:32,719 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 2: would you feel comfortable paying a free agent, perhaps like 223 00:10:35,439 --> 00:10:37,759 Speaker 2: above their market value, in order to ensure that you 224 00:10:38,199 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: feel in need. Well, I mean, I'm sure, Like I 225 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:42,239 Speaker 2: like to shop like everybody else, and so when you 226 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:44,919 Speaker 2: go and there's only one of you know, a certain car, 227 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: maybe you have to pay a little bit more for 228 00:10:47,159 --> 00:10:50,279 Speaker 2: that one car because there's only one of them. When 229 00:10:50,319 --> 00:10:52,039 Speaker 2: you start to get into a range where you feel 230 00:10:52,079 --> 00:10:55,239 Speaker 2: like there's an area where players are comparable, and you 231 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:57,718 Speaker 2: like three or four players in a certain area for 232 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,999 Speaker 2: a certain role, you may not have to overspend. 233 00:11:00,999 --> 00:11:01,879 Speaker 3: But it's free agency. 234 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: I think that everybody overspends sometimes in free agency. 235 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:07,799 Speaker 3: Does how much input does Josh McDaniels get on which 236 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:10,519 Speaker 3: players are signed or drafted in the offense? 237 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:14,119 Speaker 2: I would say it would be the same as our 238 00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:17,639 Speaker 2: entire coaching staff. I want them to be included in 239 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:21,639 Speaker 2: those conversations. The one thing I've learned as a head 240 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 2: coach is that there's always going to be players that 241 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:26,799 Speaker 2: coaches are gonna covet, and there's gonna be players that 242 00:11:26,839 --> 00:11:29,519 Speaker 2: scouts are gonna covet for certain reasons and they call 243 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: them trade and all this other stuff. And coaches want 244 00:11:32,199 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 2: players that they can trust. And when we come across 245 00:11:34,759 --> 00:11:38,519 Speaker 2: those players, I always chuckle because as being a position coach, 246 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:40,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, this guy's gonna love this guy, 247 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:41,879 Speaker 2: and then the scouts are gonna love this guy, and 248 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:44,359 Speaker 2: they're gonna sit there and argue. So I see that 249 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: come up, and I can appreciate that. But our coaches 250 00:11:46,719 --> 00:11:51,799 Speaker 2: are gonna have input. They're gonna evaluate them. They've evaluated 251 00:11:51,839 --> 00:11:54,919 Speaker 2: the free agents, they've turned the reports in for us 252 00:11:54,959 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 2: to look at and review, and then then we'll give 253 00:11:57,239 --> 00:11:59,759 Speaker 2: them a draft list and then they'll, you know, provide 254 00:11:59,799 --> 00:12:01,279 Speaker 2: information on those players as well. 255 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:03,879 Speaker 3: Staff. 256 00:12:03,959 --> 00:12:06,759 Speaker 2: In assembling coaching staff, a number of times how you're 257 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:09,039 Speaker 2: thinking a vault in the number. 258 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:11,639 Speaker 1: Of assistants you have in specialized roles, like having a 259 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: passing game coordinator. 260 00:12:12,719 --> 00:12:13,999 Speaker 4: Has that changed over the years. 261 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of times we just want 262 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: everybody to have a clearly defined role, do the best 263 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,239 Speaker 2: job and the job that they're in, and then as 264 00:12:22,359 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: they you know, excel in that role, that we look 265 00:12:25,719 --> 00:12:27,879 Speaker 2: for ways to give them more to do. And we 266 00:12:27,959 --> 00:12:29,359 Speaker 2: never want to hold anybody back. 267 00:12:29,479 --> 00:12:30,919 Speaker 3: We want to provide opportunity. 268 00:12:31,199 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 2: And if we can't provide that same opportunity with the Patriots, 269 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:39,159 Speaker 2: then we would, you know, we would allow them to 270 00:12:39,199 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: go and pursue other opportunities. But the whole idea is 271 00:12:41,719 --> 00:12:44,279 Speaker 2: that you you teach people a system and they understand 272 00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:47,159 Speaker 2: who you are, you have a loyalty and a trust 273 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: to it, and that you're able to promote from within. 274 00:12:49,799 --> 00:12:53,479 Speaker 2: So I think that there's been some specialized things. I 275 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:56,359 Speaker 2: also think that those are those are ways to reward 276 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:02,919 Speaker 2: individuals and maybe just to provide another title, but their 277 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:05,159 Speaker 2: input is always going to be valued and is going 278 00:13:05,239 --> 00:13:07,999 Speaker 2: to be the same. What do you five to have 279 00:13:08,119 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: bigger coaching staffs maybe than it was, Well, our practice 280 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 2: squad has increased, right so to make sure that we're 281 00:13:15,319 --> 00:13:17,919 Speaker 2: as efficient as possible. I think that if you can 282 00:13:17,959 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: identify some young, quality control coaches that are you know, we. 283 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:23,239 Speaker 3: Have to have energy. It's a long season. 284 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 2: I don't want anybody in there till midnight coming back 285 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:27,078 Speaker 2: in at four in the morning. I just don't think 286 00:13:27,079 --> 00:13:29,239 Speaker 2: that's healthy. I don't think that's healthy for the individual. 287 00:13:29,479 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: I don't think that's healthy for their families. And you know, 288 00:13:32,999 --> 00:13:33,519 Speaker 2: I think that. 289 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,759 Speaker 4: The people that benefit the least are the players. 290 00:13:36,839 --> 00:13:38,799 Speaker 2: Like we have to come into these meeting each and 291 00:13:38,839 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 2: every day, sell our vision, sell our plan on how 292 00:13:42,479 --> 00:13:44,119 Speaker 2: to win each and every week. And if we don't 293 00:13:44,119 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 2: have enough people to remain efficient, then sometimes people get 294 00:13:47,759 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 2: worn down. 295 00:13:48,239 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 3: And I don't want to see that happen. Now. 296 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,239 Speaker 2: We don't want people just standing around doing nothing or 297 00:13:52,319 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: make sure that everybody has a job and a role 298 00:13:54,719 --> 00:13:57,239 Speaker 2: on our staff. 299 00:13:57,959 --> 00:13:59,239 Speaker 1: Well, how do you feel he's going to do as 300 00:13:59,239 --> 00:14:00,639 Speaker 1: an owner with the Las Vegas Raiders? 301 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:01,279 Speaker 3: How hard is it? 302 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 2: It can't be that hard, right, It's it's not like playing. 303 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:08,399 Speaker 2: But now Tom will provide great input. It's important that 304 00:14:08,439 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: he's uh involved in our league, and I think that 305 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,519 Speaker 2: that's a great thing for the National Football leaguel. 306 00:14:16,599 --> 00:14:18,159 Speaker 3: The Bills have really had a choke hold out of 307 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 3: the past few years. 308 00:14:18,839 --> 00:14:20,919 Speaker 1: I know, you know, Sean, what what do you have 309 00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:23,239 Speaker 1: to do to get over the hump that is, you 310 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:24,159 Speaker 1: know what they've built. 311 00:14:23,959 --> 00:14:24,559 Speaker 3: Their muff up. 312 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:26,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you have to continue to 313 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,039 Speaker 2: win your home football games. You have to make you know, 314 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:30,959 Speaker 2: playing at Giletta a tough place to play, you know, 315 00:14:30,999 --> 00:14:32,159 Speaker 2: and then you have to go on the road and 316 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:34,079 Speaker 2: be able to win games in the fourth quarter when 317 00:14:34,119 --> 00:14:35,599 Speaker 2: you go on the road, whether that's in the heat 318 00:14:35,719 --> 00:14:38,879 Speaker 2: Miami or you know, cold win rain, whatever may be 319 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:44,319 Speaker 2: in Buffalo, so you know, and and obviously the history 320 00:14:44,359 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 2: and the tradition with the Jets and that rivalry, so 321 00:14:48,199 --> 00:14:50,919 Speaker 2: you know, it's exciting. But it also isn't just about 322 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:52,759 Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. I mean, there's a there's a lot 323 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:57,679 Speaker 2: of other elements to it. They've been extremely successful, how talented, 324 00:14:57,719 --> 00:15:00,759 Speaker 2: and I've always appreciated Sean's teams, the way they play, 325 00:15:00,839 --> 00:15:03,679 Speaker 2: with the effort, the toughness, the fundamentals, and then obviously 326 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:04,839 Speaker 2: what Josh has given them. 327 00:15:05,119 --> 00:15:09,639 Speaker 3: You know, from a quarterback standpoint, a mood between between 328 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:12,319 Speaker 3: an organization that has a quarterback and one. 329 00:15:12,159 --> 00:15:15,919 Speaker 2: That needs a mood that's up to that's up to 330 00:15:15,999 --> 00:15:18,559 Speaker 2: each individual. I mean, we can't be you know, we 331 00:15:18,599 --> 00:15:21,239 Speaker 2: can't rely on having a certain player to dictate what our. 332 00:15:21,159 --> 00:15:21,799 Speaker 4: Mood is going to be. 333 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:24,919 Speaker 2: We have to, you know, we dictate the mood that 334 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:27,079 Speaker 2: we have and the demeanor and the outlook that we 335 00:15:27,119 --> 00:15:30,119 Speaker 2: have based on whoever we have. But if you're asked 336 00:15:30,239 --> 00:15:34,919 Speaker 2: me what my mood is, I'm excited, energetic, positive, looking 337 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:36,199 Speaker 2: to build and get to work. 338 00:15:36,599 --> 00:15:40,159 Speaker 1: Thank you for Patriots Playbook. Join John Rook as he 339 00:15:40,239 --> 00:15:42,919 Speaker 1: brings you all the latest Patriots Talk an expert commentary 340 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:46,159 Speaker 1: direct from Patriots HQ. 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