1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy B. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: Today we are going to talk about doctor. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: Daniel Hale Williams, who's often described as the first person 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: to successfully perform an open heart surgery. 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: That's not completely correct. 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: There were some other earlier open heart procedures, but he 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: was still a surgical innovator at a time when the 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: field of surgery was not nearly as advanced as it 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: is today. And he was also a huge part of 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: the Black hospital movement that was in the pretty much 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: the first half of the twentieth century, opening hospitals for 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: black patients when a lot of the US medical system 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: was racially segregated and a lot of places black patients 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: did not have anywhere they could receive care. 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Daniel Hale Williams, the third known as Dan, was born 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: on January eighteenth, eighteen fifty six, in Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania. He 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: was the fifth of seven children born to Sarah Price 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Williams and Daniel Hale Williams Junior, who was a barber. 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: The family were Methodists, and they had white, Indigenous and 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: African ancestry. Sarah's mother had been enslaved on the same 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: plantation in Maryland as Frederick Douglas, and she and Douglas 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: were cousins. 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: There's not a lot of detail recorded about the younger 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: Dan's earliest years, but in eighteen sixty seven, after the 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: Civil War, the family went to Annapolis, Maryland, where Sarah 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: had had family. 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: Traveling to Maryland. 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: Would not have been nearly as easy or possible before 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: that point. Not long after they got there, though, Dan's 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: father died of tuberculosis and Dan and his siblings were 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: split up. Dan's brother was the oldest, and he was 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: already in law school. Dan's two oldest sisters and their 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: mother all went to Illinois to live with relatives and 37 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: study hair dressing. Then the next two oldest sisters were 38 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: placed in a convent school, and the youngest sister stayed 39 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: with Dan's grandmother. Dan was pulled out of school and 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: sent to Baltimore to live with a family friend and 41 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: trained to be a shoemaker. Various accounts of all of 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: this are pretty uncharitable toward Dan's mother. Although they were 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: not rich, there were businessmen and landowners on both sides 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: of the family, so Sarah did have some financial resources 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: that she may have been able to draw on. At 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: the same time, though she had gotten married at the 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: age of fifteen, and without a husband, she didn't have 48 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: a way to support herself and her children. It is 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: absolutely reasonable that Dan would have felt abandoned. He was 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: only eleven years old. But at the same time, it's 51 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: seems like Sarah may have just been trying to do 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: her best in some very difficult circumstances. Yeah, without like 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: some specifics, I really could not tell whether there were 54 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: legitimate criticisms of how she handled things or if people 55 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: were just being really judgy. Dan's feelings might also have 56 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: been influenced by the fact that he did not like 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: making shoes. He was not enjoying this apprenticeship at all. Eventually, 58 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: he talked one of his late father's friends into giving 59 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: him a railroad pass, and he used that to go 60 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: to Rockford, Illinois, where his mother and sisters were. Later on, 61 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: he told a niece that when he got there at 62 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: the age of only twelve, his mother told him that 63 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: he seemed to have enough spunk to take care of himself. 64 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: You could read that as impressed with what he had done, 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: or as kind of flippant, and I don't really know 66 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: which way she meant that. Sarah later moved again, leaving 67 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: Dan and one of his sisters in Illinois with their cousins. 68 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: Dan and his sister moved around a bit over the 69 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: next few years, eventually making their. 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: Way to Wisconsin. Dan wanted to be in school and 71 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: he liked learning, but they also needed money. He learned 72 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: to be a barber like his late father, and he 73 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: worked part time while living in Edgerton, Wisconsin. He left 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: school without graduating after a series of respiratory illnesses. He 75 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: wanted to finish his education, though, so he later enrolled 76 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: in a private school called the Classical Academy in Janesville, Wisconsin, 77 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: which was run by a doctor, Hayre. Dan paid his 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: way by working part time at Charles Henry Anderson's Tonsorial 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: parlor and bathing rooms, and Dan and his sister also 80 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: boarded with the Andersons. As I understand it, the Andersons 81 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: were the only black family in the neighborhood. 82 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: As we said, there's not a lot. 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: Of concrete detail about William's earlier years, but he did 84 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: have some experiences with racism, while living in Wisconsin. Williams 85 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: had light skin and reddish hair, and while he identified 86 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: himself in the parlance of the time as a Negro, 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: people did not always immediately recognize that about him. At 88 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: one point, the parents of another student at the Classical 89 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: Academy threatened to withdraw their daughter because they did not 90 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: want her to attend school with a black student. Doctor 91 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: Hare's response to this was to offer to return her tuition. 92 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: Dan also had a relationship, or perhaps just a flirtation, 93 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: with a young white woman named Ida Williams. They were 94 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: not related, She was another student at Classical Academy, and 95 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: it seems like she was more serious about him than 96 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: he was about her. When her parents learned about the relationship, 97 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: her father casually dropped that he was thinking of sending 98 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: her and her sister to public school. Ida seems to 99 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: have read between the lines that this was really about 100 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: getting her away from Dan, and soon she was courting 101 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: a white man named Jim Lord, who she later married. 102 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: Aida and Dan kept in touch, though, and much later on, 103 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: when her son was sick, Williams performed surgery on him, 104 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: and he did not charge Aida for it. 105 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: In addition to going to school and working at the 106 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: Tomsorial Parlor, Williams learned to play the fiddle and played 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: with the Harry Anderson Orchestra and the Unitarian Church that 108 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: he joined. After he graduated from the classical academy, he 109 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: started law school, following the footsteps of his older brother, 110 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: who was now a successful lawyer. When Williams decided he 111 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: didn't like law, he changed courses and he got an 112 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: apprenticeship with doctor Henry Palmer, who was a very well 113 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: respected doctor and former Surgeon General of Wisconsin. 114 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: While medical schools did exist in the US by this point, 115 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: it was more common for people to at least start 116 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: their metal education as an apprentice. Palmer was a little 117 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: reluctant to take Williams on at first because of his 118 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: short time studying law. Palmer wanted to make sure that 119 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: Williams was actually committed to medical study and wasn't going 120 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: to just switch tracks again. Palmer also accepted to other apprentices, 121 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Frank Pember and James S. Mills, which allowed all three 122 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: of them to study at the same time and for 123 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: Palmer to run his clinic twenty four hours a day. 124 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: After a two year apprenticeship, all three of them went 125 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: to Chicago Medical School, which later became Northwestern University Medical School. 126 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: They all started in eighteen eighty and due to some 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: kind of a miscommunication, they all got there a week early. 128 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: They showed up at the school and the only person 129 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: there was the janitor, who gave them a tour of 130 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: the building and some tips about the unwritten rules of 131 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: etiquette among the students, like as first years, they should 132 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: not take the good seats in the operating theater when 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: they were watching procedures. Williams really struggled to pay for 134 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: medical school. He lived with a widowed family friend known 135 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: as missus John Jones. Her late husband had been a 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: friend of his late father. This was less expensive than 137 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: other housing options, but he still didn't have a lot 138 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: of money. He cut hair and he played music, but 139 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: medical school required most of his time and attention. He 140 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: wrote to his mother for help, and she said she 141 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: didn't have any money to give him, but that she 142 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: had made some loans to other people. She suggested that 143 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: he try to collect on their notes, which immediately proved 144 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: to be impossible, and then he wound up taking loans 145 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: from other people, including his former mentor Harry Anderson. While 146 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: Williams was in medical school, an outbreak of smallpox struck 147 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: the city of Chicago. Edward Jenner had started really publicizing 148 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: the smallpox vaccine more than eighty years before this, but 149 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: vaccination hadn't completely become a routine practice yet. As a 150 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: medical student working with patients, Williams was exposed and contracted 151 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: smallpox himself. He had some scars alongside his nose afterward, 152 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: but beyond that he recovered. While Williams was a student, 153 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: the medical school became connected to Saint Luke's Hospital, and 154 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: he started doing some clinical work there. The hospital was 155 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: employing Joseph Lister's techniques for antiseptic surgery, which Lister had 156 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: started publishing in the late eighteen sixties. This included using 157 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: carbolic acid to kill pathogens on instruments and services and 158 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: on surgeon's hands, as well as a carbolic acid spray 159 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: to kill pathogens in the air around the patient. This 160 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: was also fairly early in the development of modern anesthesia. 161 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: While alcohol, opium, and other substances had been used earlier 162 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: on in history, gases like nitrous oxide, t ether, and 163 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: chloroform had come into use in the mid nineteenth century. 164 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: The methods of delivering these gases weren't always efficient, though, 165 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: so the operating theater could be filled with a haze 166 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: of carbolic acid and the gas used to anesthetize the patient. 167 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: Williams graduated from medical school in eighteen eighty three. Initially, 168 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: he planned to move closer to where his mother was living, 169 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: so he applied for a license to practice medicine in Washington, 170 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: d c. But then he changed his mind and he 171 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: decided to stay in Chicago, so he applied for a 172 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: license to practice in Illinois as well. He established his 173 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: own practice, and he started working to pay back all 174 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: the money he had borrowed to go to medical school. 175 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: Which he was able to do, but it was. 176 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: Difficult since the United States was in the middle of 177 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: a huge economic downturn. 178 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: He also built a life for himself in the city. 179 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: He lived and practiced medicine in a multiracial neighborhood and 180 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: taught as an anatomy demonstrator at Chicago Medical College. He 181 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed opera and attended All Souls Unitarian Church. He also 182 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: joined a Republican organization called the Hamilton Club, where he 183 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: was one of just a few black members. While he 184 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: was still in school, the people in his community had 185 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,119 Speaker 1: gotten to know him as Dan, not as doctor Williams, 186 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: and some of them really struggled to start referring to 187 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: him in this more formal way, So before long he 188 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: was just known as doctor Dan. We'll talk about doctor 189 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: Dan's early medical career. After a sponsor break, after finishing 190 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: medical school, Daniel Hale Williams was hired as part of 191 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: the staff at south Side Dispensary. The dispensaries of this 192 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: era were walk in clinics that were meant for people 193 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: who couldn't afford to see a private doctor. They were 194 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: often funded by churches and charitable organizations, or sometimes they 195 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: were part of the hands on training for medical students. 196 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: He was able to do very minor outpatient surgical procedures 197 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: at the dispensary, but he really wanted to be able 198 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: to do surgeries that were more involved than that. None 199 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: of the hospitals in Chicago would grant surgical privileges to 200 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: a black doctor, though, so he did these surgeries in 201 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: his patients' homes. He followed antiseptic procedures as much as 202 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: he could in a home environment, including doing things like 203 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: baking the patient's bedsheets in the oven to use them 204 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: as surgical drapes. As he got himself established as a 205 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: doctor and surgeon, Williams became the first black surgeon to 206 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: be hired by the City Railway Company, and in eighteen 207 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: eighty nine he accepted an unpaid two year appointment to 208 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: the Illinois State Board of Health. His appointment it was 209 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: renewed two years later, but ended after it wasn't renewed 210 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: a third time following the election of a new governor. 211 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: During these years, Williams fell in love with a woman 212 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: named Kitty May Black, who had a similar multi racial 213 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: ancestry to his own, but since she had very light skin, 214 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: her parents really wanted hur to marry someone white, and 215 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: they arranged for her to marry a white lawyer. Williams 216 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: was really heartbroken about this, and even more so after 217 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: she died of a sudden illness a few years later, 218 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: with her friends saying it had not seemed like she 219 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: wanted to survive. After this, Williams really threw himself into 220 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: his work. While Williams had not been kept out of 221 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: medical school because of his race, at this point, there 222 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: were no nursing schools in Chicago that were accepting black students. 223 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: In December of eighteen ninety, the Reverend Lewis Reynolds, pastor 224 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: of Saint Stephen's African Methodist Church, a pro coached Williams 225 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: on behalf of his sister, Emma. Emma had come to 226 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: Chicago to live with her brother and to learn to 227 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: be a nurse, but every nursing school in the city 228 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: had turned her down because she was black. 229 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: This was still really early in the development of nursing 230 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: as a professionalized field. The first nursing school in the 231 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: United States had been established less than twenty years before this, 232 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy two. Before this, people who worked as 233 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: nurses had often been through some kind of informal or 234 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: on the job training, or sometimes they were people who 235 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: were helping to take care of the sick and injured 236 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: without really a lot of training or education in that 237 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: at all. A lot of the nurses that were working 238 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: were really dedicated and knowledgeable. But the field of medicine 239 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: was rapidly becoming a lot more complex. There were all 240 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: kinds of new developments in things like infection control, anesthesia, 241 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: and surgery, so hospitals and medical practices were also seeing 242 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: a need for nurses that had a more formal, broader education. 243 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: Williams had patients who were recovering from surgery at home 244 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: or living at home with chronic or progressive conditions, and 245 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: they needed nurses, and those nurses needed to have specific skills. 246 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: He also knew that some of his black patients really 247 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: would not be comfortable in the care of a white nurse, 248 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: that they didn't know if he could even find a 249 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: white nurse willing to do the job. So simultaneously, he 250 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: thought no one should be denied in education in nursing 251 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: because of their race, and that there was a need 252 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: for black nurses specifically, and another need was running alongside 253 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: that one. There was only one hospital in Chicago that 254 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: would admit black patients. That was Cook County Hospital on 255 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: the west side. Williams was living and working on the 256 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: city's south side, and the black members of his community 257 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: just didn't have a hospital nearby that they could go to. 258 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: He realized that he could try to fill all of 259 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: these gaps at once, establishing a hospital that would accept 260 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: patients regardless of their race, which would also be a 261 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: place to train black nurses, and it would be a 262 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: place where black doctors and surgeons could work since they 263 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: were being barred from existing hospitals because of their race 264 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: as well. With the help of churches and community organizations, 265 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: Williams and the Reverend Reynolds started raising money. People held 266 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: bake sales and also donated furniture and other items from 267 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: their own homes for use in the hospital. Several white 268 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: industrialists became major financial backers, including George Pullman and Cyrus McCormick. 269 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: This wasn't just about philanthropy, but also making sure their 270 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: black employees had access to medical care so that they 271 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: could recover from ill lists and injuries and get back 272 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: to work. Armor Meat Packing Company provided the down payment 273 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: for the hospital building. Williams faced some fierce disagreement from 274 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: people who did not support his plans to open a hospital, 275 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of that disagreement came from within the 276 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: black community. His critics argued that he was reinforcing racial 277 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: segregation at a time when Chicago was becoming increasingly racially segregated. 278 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: They thought he should instead be focused on fighting segregation 279 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: at the hospitals and nursing schools that already existed instead. 280 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: In spite of that opposition, articles of incorporation were filed 281 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: for a twelve bed facility called Provident Hospital and Training 282 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: School Association on January twenty third, eighteen ninety one, and 283 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: staffing turned out to be a challenge. The nursing program 284 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: was overwhelmed with one hundred and seventy five applications for 285 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: its eighteen month training program, but only seven of them 286 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: were accepted, including Emma Reynolds. Williams wanted applicants who were 287 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: quote fairly educated, as well as being prompt, neat, and organized. 288 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: They had to have a gentle voice and a patient temper, 289 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: and he felt that a lot of the applicants just 290 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: did not meet those criteria, and because black doctors and 291 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: surgeons had been excluded from a lot of medical programs 292 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: and from working at other hospitals, he also had trouble 293 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: finding top tier doctors and surgeons who were also black. 294 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: The hospital did open its doors, though, and it was 295 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: integrated for both patients and staff. The surgical ward was 296 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: always very busy, treating a lot of people who worked 297 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: in Chicago's stockyards and railroads who had been injured on 298 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: the job. The hospital and the nursing school both did 299 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: really well, although they did face some serious financial issues 300 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: during the Panic of eighteen ninety three. Pent the hospitals 301 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: survived this financial crisis, largely thanks to Frederick Douglas, who 302 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: raised money for it during the Chicago World's Fair. On 303 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: July ninth, eighteen ninety three, a man named James Cornish 304 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: was stabbed in a fight and brought to Provident Hospital. 305 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: They didn't have the knife and he couldn't really describe it, 306 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: and X rays and other imaging techniques had not been 307 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: invented yet, so it wasn't really clear exactly how deep 308 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: the wound was from the outside, though it looked relatively shallow. 309 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: Cornish was admitted for observation, and overnight he started experiencing 310 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: increasing pain and showing signs of shock. Williams thought that 311 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: he might be bleeding internally or having some other more 312 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: serious issue, and the only way to tell was to 313 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: open his chest to look. Williams invited six surgeons to 314 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: observe this, four of them white and two of them black. 315 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: Williams made an incision between Cornish's ribs, essentially extending the 316 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: edges of the stab wound. Then he lifted the intercostal 317 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 2: cartilage like a trap door to see what was underneath. 318 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: He could see that the knife had damaged the left 319 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: internal memory artery, it had also penetrated through the pericardium 320 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: that's the sack that surrounds and protects the heart, and 321 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 2: into the heart muscle itself. First, Williams repaired the damage 322 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: to that artery. Then he irrigated the wounds to the 323 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: pericardium and heart with saline. The heart muscle wasn't hemorrhaging, 324 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: and he left that part of the injury alone. He 325 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: used forceps to hold the damaged edges of the pericardium 326 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 2: and he sutured them together, and once he had done that, 327 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: he closed all of his incisions. Williams did all of 328 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: this without a lot of the tools that would be 329 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: used for this kind of surgery today. In addition to 330 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: the lack of X ray and other imaging, antibiotics and 331 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: anticoagulants had not been invented yet. Neither had rib spreaders 332 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: or tools for keeping a patient's airway open while they 333 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: were anesthetized. Obviously, neither had heart bypass machines that allow 334 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: surgeons to stop a person's heart during surgery today. So 335 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: Williams was doing this surgery as the heart was beating 336 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: and the edges of the torn pericardium were continually fluttering. 337 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: In addition to carrying out this procedure on a beating 338 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: heart with very basic tools, Williams was also doing something 339 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: that most of the surgical community thought was impossible. Williams 340 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 2: had read a paper that had theorized about a surgical 341 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: repair to the pericardium while he was in medical school, 342 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: but that surgeon had not actually tried to perform one. Really, 343 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: most surgeons in Europe and North America believed that even 344 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 2: trying to explore a beating heart was likely to just 345 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: kill the patient. German surgeon Theodore bill Roth, who is 346 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: sometimes called the founder of abdominal surgery, was quoted as saying, quote, 347 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: any surgeon who would attempt to suture a wound of 348 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: the heart is not worthy of the serious consideration of 349 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: his colleagues. The common course of treatment for an injury 350 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: like Cornish's was cold rest and opium, and not surgery. 351 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: Cornish survived this surgery. A few days later, The Chicago 352 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: Daily inter Ocean reported on it, describing it as a 353 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: marvelous surgical operation and an astonishing feat. Twenty one days 354 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: into Cornish's recovery, he developed cardiac tampanaud or, a build 355 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: up of fluid in his pericardium, and Williams performed another 356 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: procedure to remove it through a needle. He did know 357 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: about earlier attempts to remove excess fluid from the pericardium, 358 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: although without today's imaging technologies that was extremely risky. Cornish 359 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: was discharged from the hospital after fifty one days. Williams 360 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: searched through medical literature to see if he could find 361 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: evidence of another surgeon having done something similar, and he 362 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: came up with nothing. After following up with Cornish three 363 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: years later and confirming that he was alive and in 364 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: good health, Williams wrote up a paper on the surgery, 365 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: and that was published in the Medical Record in eighteen 366 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: ninety seven. Although it was initially hailed as a first, 367 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: it was later discovered that doctor Henry Dalton had published 368 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: on a similar procedure in the Annals of Surgery in 369 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: eighteen ninety one, and there. 370 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: Were also some other even earlier examples of similar procedures. 371 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: By the time his paper was published, Williams had moved 372 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: on from Provident Hospital, and we'll get to that after 373 00:23:50,880 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: a sponsor break. Not long after his surgery on James Cornish, 374 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: Daniel Hale Williams was appointed to the position of surgeon 375 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,239 Speaker 2: in chief at Freedman's Hospital in Washington, d C. The 376 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: federal government had established Freedman's Hospital in eighteen sixty two, 377 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: and in eighteen sixty eight it had also become a 378 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: teaching hospital for Howard University Medical School. As chief surgeon, 379 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: that would also make Williams a professor of surgery at Howard. 380 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 2: Williams was really reluctant to leave Provident Hospital, but he 381 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: apparently changed his mind after a conversation with Secretary of 382 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: State Walter Q. 383 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: Gresham. 384 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: Gresham told him quote, if it's service to your race, 385 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: you're thinking of Freedman's needs, you more than Provident from 386 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: all I hear. William's start date was unfortunately delayed by 387 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: an accident. While out quail hunting, he was shot in 388 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: the foot. He developed an infection, and for a while 389 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: it looked like his leg might have to be amputated. 390 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: Once Williams was well enough to return to work, he 391 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: was months later than planned and really still recovering. He 392 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 2: had also been targeted by a smear campaign by another surgeon, 393 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: George Cleveland Hall, who seems to have had a grudge 394 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: against Williams after Williams didn't back him for an appointment 395 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: at Provident Hospital. William's predecessor at Friedman's Hospital was Charles 396 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: Burley Purvis, who had been the hospital's surgeon in Chards 397 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: for over a decade. Purvis had also served in the 398 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 2: Union Army during the Civil War and had been one 399 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: of the founders of Howard Medical School. But a lot 400 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: had changed in the world of medicine over all those years, 401 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: and William's perception was that Purvis and the hospital had 402 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: just not kept up with those changes. Purvis later alleged 403 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: that he had been replaced because of politics. 404 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: When Williams started, Freedman's Hospital was organized into three general wards, 405 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: one for men, one for women, and one for. 406 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 3: Labor and delivery. 407 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: The nursing staff was mostly made up of people who 408 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: had not been through formal training, meaning they also didn't 409 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: have the kind of experience or skills that Williams thought 410 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: was necessary. He also found the hospital's surgical mortality rate 411 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: of almost ten percent to be unacceptable. 412 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: Williams reorganized the hospital into departments. I used all the 413 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: modern terms for these departments today. They were general medicine, surgery, gynecology, obstetrics, dermatology, urology, 414 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: and pulmonology. He also established an ambulance service, which was 415 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: essentially a delivery wagon that could bring patients to the hospital. 416 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: He replaced the nursing staff and updated surgical techniques and 417 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: antiseptic procedures. In addition to recruiting new medical and surgical staff, 418 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: he also granted surgical privileges to some of the area's 419 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 2: best surgeons. Soon, the surgical mortality rate at the hospital 420 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: had dropped to one point five percent. Williams also wanted 421 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: Freedman's Hospital to be seen as a highly respected and 422 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: cutting edge facility, which meant getting the public to trust 423 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: the abilities of black surgeons. To that end, he offered 424 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 2: lectures and demonstrations at the hospital, including opportunities for the 425 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: public to observe surgical procedures in the operating theater. Williams 426 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: resigned from Freedman's Hospital in eighteen ninety eight after about 427 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: five years. The hospital was still under the control of 428 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: the Department of the Interior, and that meant that it 429 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: was often in the crosshairs of various political squabbles. An 430 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: investigation into charitable institutions in Washington, d C. Including the 431 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: hospital had also started in eighteen ninety six, and Purvis 432 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: hadn't been trying to get reinstated to his position. Williams 433 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: was accused of financial mismanagement, but the reason he gave 434 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: for leaving was that he was just tired of all 435 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: the politics. That same year, at the age of forty two, 436 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: Williams married thirty nine year old Alice Johnson, who was 437 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: the daughter of American artist Moses jacob Ezekiel, who was 438 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: Jewish and a formerly enslaved woman. Alice was a teacher 439 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: and a graduate of Howard University who had remained single 440 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: after an ugly breakup when she was much younger. She 441 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: didn't want to wear white for her wedding because her 442 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: mother had recently died, so instead she wore a navy 443 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: blue suit. Dan's friend Paul Lawrence Dunbar wrote a poem 444 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: to commemorate his marriage, titled to Dan. That poem started 445 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: step me now a bridal measure, work, give way to 446 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: love and leisure. Hearts be free, and hearts be gay. 447 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: Doctor Dan Doth wed today. They moved back to Chicago, 448 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: and they had one child together, who sadly died at birth. 449 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: A congressional report about Friedman's Hospital was released after Dan 450 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 2: and Alice had gotten married, and it detailed a lot 451 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: of issues at the hospital. A lot of those issues, though, 452 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: were ones that Williams had reported to the Department of 453 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: the Interior but which had not been dealt with. The 454 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: report recommended huge cuts to the staff, including to the 455 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: nursing staff, and it described Howard Medical School as quote 456 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: encroaching on the hospital. 457 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: There were some newspapers that defended Williams after this report 458 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: was released, and others that attacked him. He was questioned 459 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: about his work, including a lot of questions about hospital spending. 460 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: This included very specific questions about transactions that had happened 461 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: years before the sale of two cameras that he said 462 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: were his personal property but that were implied to have 463 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: really belonged to the government, and and how much was 464 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: spent on various equipment that was both expensive and useless 465 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: if it was damaged or worn. This has to have 466 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: been frustrating, considering that he brought a lot of his 467 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: own equipment with him when he started working at the 468 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: hospital because the hospital didn't have it, and a lot 469 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: of that equipment he never got back. Yeah, some of 470 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: these questions were like questions about purchases of needles from 471 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: eighteen ninety four or something, and he was like, how 472 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: do you expect me to know this? There's a stationary invoice. 473 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: Back in Chicago, Williams went back to working at Provident Hospital, 474 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: which had moved to a new sixty five bed location. 475 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: George Cleveland Hall was now on the board there, and 476 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: there continued to be a lot of friction between him 477 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: and Williams. Williams also started writing to Booker T. Washington 478 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: trying to get a teaching hospital established at the Tuskegee 479 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: Institute in Alabama. The Tuskegee Institute had been founded in 480 00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: eighteen eighty one. 481 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 3: Booker T. 482 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: Washington seems to have thought a hospital would be taking 483 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: on too much, too fast and put the institute at risk, 484 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: but Williams thought there was an obvious need for one. 485 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: In addition to thinking it was critical to training doctors, 486 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: he had seen black patients who had come all the 487 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: way from Alabama trying to get access to medical care. 488 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: Washington eventually stopped answering Williams letters, and Williams later learned 489 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: that Washington had also been getting a lot of letters 490 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: from George Cleveland Hall. There seems to just have been 491 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: a lot of animosity between the two of them. In 492 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety nine, George Hubbard, president and dean of Mahary 493 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: Medical College in Nashville, Tennessee, contacted Williams about conducting surgical 494 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: clinics at the college. Maharry is a historically black medical 495 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: school founded in eighteen seventy six, but at the time 496 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't connected to a teaching hospital. Williams's first clinic 497 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: was held in a cramped room, and afterward he stressed 498 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: that the only way for doctors insurgeons to really excel, 499 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: or even to be truly ready to practice medicine and 500 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: surgery was to have the opportunity for hands on instruction 501 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: and practice at a teaching hospital. He was quoted as saying, 502 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: we can't sit any longer idly and inanely deploring the 503 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: existing conditions. We must start our own hospitals and training schools. 504 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: In January of nineteen hundred, Williams returned to Nashville to 505 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: give a lecture on this subject at the Phyllis Wheetlee Club. 506 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: He advocated for every city in the South with a 507 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: population of more than ten thousand black people to have 508 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: its own black hospital with an attached nursing training school. 509 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: This would provide hospitals that would accept black patients and 510 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: places for black doctors and surgeons to work. He talked 511 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: about how to get such a hospital started by renting 512 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: a house with ten or twelve rooms, preferably with a basement, 513 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: furnishing it modestly so that it would be easy to clean, 514 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: and hiring a level headed graduate nurse to act as 515 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: the superintendent, and then appointing the best physicians that could 516 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: be found to work there. Then he passed on something 517 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: Frederick Douglass had written to him in a letter in 518 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety four, quote, the only way you can succeed 519 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: is to override the obstacles in your path. Hope will 520 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: be of no avail by the power that is within you. 521 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: Do what you hope to do. A teaching hospital was 522 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: established in Nashville that September. Williams continued to hold his 523 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: annual surgical clinics there and they were described as the 524 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: highlight of every year for the medical students. He was 525 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: paid only a travel stipend, and he donated that. 526 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: Back to Mahary. 527 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: A lot of the time he was doing surgeries that 528 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 2: the students really didn't have other opportunities to see. They 529 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: were often very complicated or uncommon procedures. He was known 530 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: for operating incredibly skillfully and also very quickly given the 531 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: limitations of general anesthesia at the time. He was also 532 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 2: continually pushing himself as a surgeon, and he was also 533 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: breaking new ground in the field. In nineteen oh two, 534 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: he became one of the first surgeons to successfully repair 535 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: a traumatic hemorrhage in a spleen. At the time, it 536 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: was more common to remove the spleen than to try 537 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: to repair it. There had been at least one successful 538 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 2: surgical spleen repair before this, but Williams did not know 539 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: about it. In nineteen twelve, while he was still working 540 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 2: at Provident Hospital, Williams also became associate attending surgeon at 541 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: Saint Luke's Hospital in Chicago, but the following year he 542 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 2: resigned from Provident. There are kind of multiple conflicting stories 543 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: about why what is that Providence bore passed a policy 544 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: that surgeons who worked at Provident could only work at Provident. 545 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: That was a policy that was probably written to target Williams, 546 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 2: and it might also have been connected to the ongoing 547 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: animosity with George Cleveland Hall. It's also possible that Williams 548 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: felt like Provident was no longer really aligned with his 549 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 2: original vision for it. He had established it in order 550 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: to train black nurses and to provide a place that 551 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: would accept black patients and where black doctors could work. 552 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: He had also helped to establish the National Medical Association 553 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: since black doctors were being excluded from the American Medical Association, 554 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: but he had wanted Provident to specifically be integrated and 555 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: to provide connections between the white and black medical communities 556 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: in Chicago. Over time, Providence staff had become less and 557 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: less integrated and more predominantly black, and that was part 558 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 2: of an increasing pattern of racial segregation in Chicago more generally. 559 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: Williams kept working at Saint Luke's as well as teaching 560 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: and consulting. Former students and colleagues would write to him 561 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: for help and advice, and sometimes when his former students' 562 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: patients did not have access to a hospital that would 563 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: admit them, he would still perform surgery in their homes. 564 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: He also continued to advocate for the establishment of black 565 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: owned hospitals that would benefit black patients and doctors alike. 566 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 2: He helped establish at least forty hospitals that were open 567 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 2: to black patients. In nineteen thirteen, Williams also became the 568 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 2: only black founding member of the American College of Surgeons, 569 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: which got its second black member twenty one years later. 570 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 2: Dan's wife, Alice, developed Parkinson's disease and died in nineteen 571 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: twenty four. They were married until her death, but their 572 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: relationship had become more strained after d had an affair 573 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 2: years before. Daniel Hale Williams moved to northern Michigan. In 574 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six, he was partially paralyzed after a stroke. 575 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 2: He died on August fourth, nineteen thirty one, at the 576 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: age of seventy five, and he was buried in Chicago's 577 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: Graceland Cemetery. He had become known as an advocate for 578 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 2: medical and nursing training and medical care for black people, 579 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 2: and for being an incredibly talented surgeon who charged people 580 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 2: what they could afford to pay him. He took risks, 581 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 2: and he attempted surgeries that he didn't know of anybody 582 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 2: else trying before. And he had a reputation for going 583 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 2: to great links to try to treat people's limbs rather 584 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 2: than amputating them. But he also did not do surgeries 585 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: if he knew that they would not be successful, and 586 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: he didn't give people treatments that he didn't think they needed. 587 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 2: If he decided someone was too sick or too badly 588 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 2: injured to survive a surgery, he would stay with them 589 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: until they died. In the words of biographer Helen Buckler, quote, 590 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 2: it was as though in the sickroom, and only in 591 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 2: the sickroom, could doctor Dan be a whole man, a 592 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 2: man of feeling as well as a man of science 593 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 2: and intellect. Here emotions buried deep by pride and circumstance 594 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: were set free. Provident Hospital moved into a much bigger 595 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: building on East fifty first Street in nineteen thirty three. 596 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 2: This was followed by construction of an outpatient building, and 597 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 2: two apartment buildings were purchased as housing for nursing students. 598 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 2: But the hospital faced periods of financial struggle, especially in 599 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: times of more widespread economic downturns. This included serious financial 600 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 2: problems in the nineteen eighties, and the hospital was closed 601 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven. It was acquired by the Cook 602 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: County Board of Commissioners in nineteen ninety one and reopened 603 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three. It is now Provident Hospital of 604 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 2: Cook County in Chicago and is affiliated with Loyola University's 605 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 2: Stritch School of Medicine. Most of the hospitals that were 606 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: established during the Black Hospital movement closed or merged with 607 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 2: other hospitals after the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty 608 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: four and the establishment of Medicare and Medicaid the following year. 609 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 2: Hospitals accepting Medicare and Medicaid funding were required to comply 610 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 2: with the Civil Rights Acts outlawing of racial discrimination. This 611 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 2: was a huge part of desegregating the medical system. Desegregation 612 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: gave black patients access to care that they might not 613 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 2: have been able to access otherwise, but the loss of 614 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 2: these hospitals could also be devastating to the communities where 615 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 2: they had been operating. Many of them were major employers 616 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 2: in their neighborhoods and also sources of civic pride and 617 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 2: just major community resources. And of course, the desegregation of 618 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 2: the medical system in the US did not allow eliminate 619 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 2: medical racism, and there are ongoing disparities and access to 620 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: medical care and outcomes across a lot of the country 621 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: today and that is Daniel Hale Williams. 622 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: Do you also have some listener mail for us? 623 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 3: I do have listener mail. 624 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 2: This is from Caitlin who wrote, Hi, Tracy and Holly. 625 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm always delighted by the Unearthed episodes and this set 626 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: with no exception. I especially appreciated the let's recreate this 627 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 2: artifact from antiquity to see if we can use it 628 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 2: as hypothesized item variety. How do I get a job 629 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 2: checking a javelin from various heights on a scissor lift. 630 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 2: I'm a grad student who teaches undergrads as part of 631 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 2: my program, and this semester, I'm leading a historical research 632 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 2: methodology course where we're showing students how to do archival 633 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: research by working on a group project. Coincidentally, the day 634 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: before the first class, an interstate construction project turned up 635 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 2: an archaeologically significant find, a series of privy pits their 636 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 2: thought to date to the construction of the Erie Canal. 637 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 2: The archaeologist interviewed for the article I read was so 638 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 2: incredibly excited about the chance to learn from the unearthed 639 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 2: artifacts that had been rescued before the construction resumed. I 640 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 2: shared this with my students as an example of how 641 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 2: local history can be. I waxed rhapsodic about the potential 642 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 2: discoveries for a few moments before one of my students 643 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 2: raised his hand and said, wait, isn't a privy just 644 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 2: a toilet? What's important about poop? Bless his heart, he 645 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: didn't know how deep my repertoire of factoids and tidbits 646 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 2: on Latrine's privy, septic systems, dumps, and so on is. 647 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 2: Thanks Unearthed, Thank you as always for all you do. 648 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 2: I look forward to the new episodes every week and 649 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 2: am constantly re listening to favorites from the back catalog. 650 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 3: Best Caitlin. 651 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much Caitlin for this email, and thank 652 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: you for your past emails. Caitlin is another frequent correspondent, 653 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 2: and I loved this bit about the privies. The discoveries 654 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 2: I thought of first connected to the privies were the 655 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 2: ones that we've talked about that are all about how 656 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: the Roman Empire was full of parasites, and wherever the 657 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 2: Romans went, they took the parasites with the riddled with Romans. 658 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 2: I also think in earlier years of doing Unearthed, we 659 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 2: had a lot of discoveries that came from middens which 660 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 2: were basically trash dumps. And I don't think I can 661 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 2: remember a very recent midden discovery. Maybe there has been, 662 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 2: I don't know, but anyway, thank you again, Caitlin for 663 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 2: this email. 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