1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers. Since government conspiracies, history is 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events, you can turn back now or 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: name is Noel, and today I am Ben. Most importantly, 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: you are you, which makes this stuff they don't want 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: you to know? Uh? This is uh, this is an 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: interesting episode, ladies and gentlemen, because we we are touching 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: on something topical, We're touching on something controversial, and because 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: we are doing something topical, uh, something specific, we thought 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: it best to arrive at the universal via the specific. 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: And one thing we would like to start out with 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: is a question for yourself and for the three of us. Uh, 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: you guys know. Matt and military service, any military members 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: of your family? Not really anything to speak of here. 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: My grandfather could not go to war when he was 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: a younger man because he had a heart condition. My 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: father ended up not having he I think he was 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: officially drafted, but he apparently didn't have to do it 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: as well because of things like that. I spent a 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: lot of time in a military base when I was younger. 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: My father was the choir director on a base in Germany, 23 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: where I was born. So that's about the extent of 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: it though. Yeah, and I have military in my family, 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: as you guys know. Uh, And we are in an 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: office in Atlanta still these days, but we used to 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: be in a very different office, and we used to 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: meet all sorts of interesting characters. Is that correct. Yes, 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: several people that we would meet around the cafeteria area 30 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: and the gathering areas in the space. And there was 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: one particular person that I don't want to name who 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: this person is, but uh, Gregory was. He was in 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: something that I would say is similar to the oath Keepers, 34 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: a group of ex military human beings who are like 35 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: minded and view uh, certain social situations that are occurring 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: to perhaps, I don't know, the patriot movement, that's what 37 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: it's the patriot movement. But this particular gentleman was worried 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: about collapse of society, and uh he conveyed to me 39 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: that his group is ready in case anything happens. They're 40 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: a group of him, of the of people like him 41 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: that are ready to defend the United States, and it's 42 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: people I encountered him once as well, and um, the 43 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: advice he gave to me was sell everything you have 44 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: and get a Humby. So that's you know, that's where. 45 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: But what about the gas Gregory, I would ask, Yes, 46 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: survivalist preppers, people who believe that the collapse of Western 47 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: civilization is somehow imminent. People who believe that the most 48 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: logical course of action now is to, as the Boy 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: Scouts say, be prepared right. Yes, and people in this 50 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: group have the background to know what to do in 51 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: those kind of situations, like exactly how to ration things 52 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: and gather the correct uh you know, needs for food 53 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: and water and all those kind of things, and be 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: able to defend themselves and also build the infrastructure and 55 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: needed to house said stockpiled sure, weapons, food, you know, 56 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: water and protective Sure. So this is in the US. 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: This is something that is often called would would you 58 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: say that Gregory was a member of a militia or 59 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: would you say that he was simply a survivalist in 60 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: like minded company. I can't say for sure because I 61 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: don't know how you know, how much they actually met 62 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: or meet up and how much they prepare together. I 63 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: would say if he wasn't a militia, would need to 64 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: be a fairly organized thing. Yeah, that's the answer question 65 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: that I have. I mean, the term militia seems pretty 66 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: open ended, and you did and kind of bandied about 67 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: um in several different contexts. I mean, I guess I 68 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: think of a militia as being some group that's very 69 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: organized and tied to a certain area. What would you um, 70 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: what's what? What would you say that the official definition 71 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: of militia has been uh, well no. The interesting thing 72 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: about that question is that there are a couple of 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: different terms for militia. If you go back to the etymology, 74 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: it means military force raised from the civil population to 75 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: supplement a regular army. So there is a difference between 76 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: a military and a militia in that people can be 77 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: career military members. Yes, you can be a juror uh 78 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: almost a journalist. That's true in the U. S. Army, 79 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: you can be a journalist. You could be an admiral 80 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: right in the Navy and it will be your career. 81 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: You could start as a private worker way up to general. 82 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: And militia member in on the other hand, would be 83 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: someone who, let's say, what what what's a regular day 84 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: to day job? Accountant and accounted perfect a c P. A. 85 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: C P A gets the call c p A s 86 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: H receives word that uh, the red coats are coming, 87 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: et cetera, and then the c p A doffs his 88 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: green visor, throws away the pen and the number two 89 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: pencil opens. The lock box behind the painting where he 90 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: takes out is a R fifteen and uh and drops 91 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: his flak jacket on, slaps a flag or something across it, 92 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: and then off to war. The first mentioned of a 93 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: militia in the US Constitution occurs an Article two of 94 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: the Bill of Rights. An Article two, there is an 95 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: unquote well regulated militia being necessary to the security of 96 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: a free state. The right of the people to keep 97 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: and bear arms shall not be infringed in the modern age. 98 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: That is one of the most controversial aspects of the 99 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: US legal system. Right the ownership of guns. Oh sure, 100 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: especially now where where the perception is that homicide rates 101 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: are skyrocketing and people are dying everywhere. And there's also 102 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: a perception that the more guns that exist there, that 103 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: exist anywhere in a community from one side, equals safer 104 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: communities right when you But the reality, unfortunately at least 105 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: that I was listening to MPR this week and they're 106 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: speaking with some police officers, and they're talking about in 107 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: Texas the new open carry laws, and they're super worried. 108 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Law enforcement there is extremely worried because the more saturated 109 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: any community is with weapons, the more homicides occur. There's 110 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: also the stories that the stories that come out about 111 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: these open carry places usually involve somebody shooting themselves in 112 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: the foot or there was a story that I remember 113 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: where a woman was shoplifting something from a home depot 114 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: and running out in the parking lot and somebody shot 115 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: him in the parking lot, you know, something for like 116 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: trying to steal some palettes of wood, you know what 117 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, is that the kind of vigil anti 118 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: justice we need? You know what I mean? Come on, 119 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: you know anyway, It's just it's insane. The world out 120 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: there is insane. And the interesting thing to me is 121 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: this is not a problem you see as much in 122 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: places where there are a fewer guns are where guns 123 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: are more difficult to obtain. Also, there is a slight there. 124 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: There there's a slight disconnect in and I know this 125 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: is a side note, guy, so I keep it brief, 126 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: but there is a slight disconnect with the notion of 127 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: gun ownership automatically equating to insane levels of violence, which 128 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: which there are insane levels of violence. Right. What's interesting 129 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: is that there are other countries which have similar ratios 130 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: of gun ownership, yet these countries do not exhibit the 131 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: same level of violence associated with ownership of firearms. However, 132 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: another thing that that is vitally important. You know, if 133 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: you go back far enough in history, every every great 134 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: institution has blood on its hands. And I know that 135 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: can be controversial to people to say that about people's 136 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: favorite things, right, the country, the state, the church, whatever 137 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: it might be, you know, the banks, if you get 138 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: far enough back, right, right, I think it's important here 139 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: to say the we've talked about this many times before 140 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: when we talked about gun control laws and a couple 141 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: other topics that touched on this subject, that the right 142 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: to own a gun is very so deep seated in 143 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: the American people, and that the history of that and 144 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: the need to have a way to protect your family 145 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: and yourself. Um. I can't, I can't, um, I can't 146 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: discount that even no matter what my views are, no 147 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: matter how crazy liberal I was once was and you 148 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: know still slightly am uh, I cannot discount that fact 149 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: that I think is extremely important still today. Even I 150 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: agree completely, But it just almost seems like the language 151 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: and the constitution, the way people internalize that and make 152 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: it part of their cultural identity, that is unique to 153 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: the United States. I think because of that language, because 154 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: it's such an ingrained part of our identity, and I 155 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: think people take that really seriously, and some people maybe 156 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: take it a little too seriously. Well, I will point 157 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: out in this conversation, and I think I think you 158 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: guys are making great points. Um will point out that 159 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: the thing that later became the US, the United States 160 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: of America, and YouTube listeners who love the way we 161 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: say United States here please hear me hit the t 162 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: United States of America. It's funny. I think they've they've 163 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: they've flip flopped. Now now now they're like, why are 164 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: you enunciating that so much? I think it's just I 165 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: think there's we paid too much attention to the comments 166 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: and fed the fire. Anyway, the point being what now. 167 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: The progenitors of what would later become this country started 168 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: out as an invasive force, right, Yeah, Literally, the most 169 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: disease riddled, violent people that actual residents of the Cotton 170 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: that had ever met and the and these uh, these 171 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: people who came across you know, the Pinta, the Nina, 172 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: the Santa Maria and all that, all that jazz. Uh. 173 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: These these people were vastly outnumbered in many ways. Right. 174 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: It is a myth to say that the land was 175 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: unpopulated and wild and had like five other people just 176 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: hanging out, and we we know history proofs that is untrue. 177 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: These these groups, especially the groups that came from England, 178 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: were not very well funded in a lot of ways. Right. 179 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: There was not a British military force, meaning that these 180 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: people who were not soldiers by any stretch of the word, 181 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: were required to practice self defense or you know, if 182 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: we're being realistic, acts of aggression against native people's. Yes, 183 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: and also to that same respect, forced to learn how 184 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: to protect their their area. And they're there people. Yeah. 185 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: And what's interesting is that this militia control at the time, 186 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: these these people like let's say, Matt Noel, Uh, this office, 187 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: this office great perfect, We don't have to name everything. 188 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: Let's let's say this office, uh is a town in 189 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: a very isolated area of colonial um what will become America. 190 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: Right before Americo, Vespucci, I think his name was right, 191 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: And didn't he write pretty much softcore pornography about the heat. 192 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he did. It's true. Anyway, they'll call 193 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: it America later. And so they're living in the colonies, 194 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: uh this this office of ours, and have no connection 195 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: with the greater colonial power. So they are required to 196 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: fend for themselves, which means that every able bodied person 197 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: must be capable of grabbing firearm right of some sort, 198 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: or a weapons get a musket. Yes, And from this 199 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: concept of localized military response or self defense response arrives 200 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: what we call a militia. And nowadays you know that 201 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: that's a tricky word. It's one of the words that 202 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: has an evolving meaning. Is that correct? Yeah? I mean, 203 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because the way you just described makes 204 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: perfect sense. There was a need for these groups. They 205 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: filled a very functional purpose in protecting um, certain areas, etcetera. 206 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: And they kind of bolstered the actual military force and 207 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: it was sort of a supplement to it. And the 208 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: way the word has sort of evolved today it kind 209 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: of had to me maybe I'm wrong in this. I'm 210 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: correct me if I am, but has sort of a 211 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: negative connotation. It sort of feels like, you know, people, 212 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: um just heavily arming themselves just in case the government, 213 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, comes after them. So I think that negative connotation, 214 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: at least for me, And I can't say exactly when 215 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: originated because I don't think I'm old enough to to 216 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: know exactly how early on that was. But in my world, 217 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: it was reading and hearing about Waco and and Ruby Ridge. 218 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: That's that's where the negative connotation of a what people 219 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: in the news were calling militia. That's where that came 220 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: from from me. Oh, you know, that makes sense that 221 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: I was. You know, we're about the same age, and 222 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: that's definitely where I started hearing the term, and that 223 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: is the connotation that I have as well. And when 224 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: they were there were a couple of congressional hearings where 225 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: there were militia leaders who were being interviewed. I remember 226 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: watching a lot of that, and I'm a several hundred 227 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: years old, so during the first only several hundred Uh man, 228 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: don't embarrass me. Uh no. The you know, this is 229 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: a great point because listeners, you have been familiar with 230 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: the militia. We have a lot of people who are 231 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: tuning in right now from a place that is not 232 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: the US, and trust us, guys. We are acutely aware 233 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: of how strange this sort of thing can seem right 234 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: to to someone who doesn't live here, and it's weird 235 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: to us because get this, ladies and gentlemen. Nowhere in 236 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: the Constitution is the term militia actually defined. It is used, 237 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: but it is not defined, So it's you know, it's 238 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: it's a tricky thing, and it's kind of legalistic. But 239 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: we ask ourselves what they're talking about. Would our opinion 240 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: of a militia today jibe with the framers of the 241 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Constitution's opinion of what a militia is, And the fact 242 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: that it's mentioned in the same sentence as the right 243 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: to bear arms is definitely a big deal for some 244 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: of these groups today, you know. And like I said, 245 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: it's all about this entitlement that we can have as 246 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: many guns as we want because we need to be 247 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: able to defend ourselves. And then this word militia comes 248 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: into the picture, where it becomes like a matter of 249 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: organizing and having groups of these like minded individuals and uh, 250 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily as much of a purpose overtly that we 251 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: can see, but you know, folks in these groups might 252 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: argue differently, Oh, yeah, and real quick, I just want 253 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: to see. My favorite joke of the entire Constitution is 254 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: the idea that it was the right to bear arms, 255 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: not not to carry weapons, but the right to the 256 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: limbs of bears sign creatures. Yeah, I I still I 257 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: thought it was so clever in fourth grade Civics and 258 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: I still think it. Um. I still just hope it's true. Okay, 259 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: you gotta tell me, is in in your mind and 260 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: in this joke, is it the right to carry around 261 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: bare arms, to have like physically you have bear arms. 262 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: You would have to talk to the framers that it's 263 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: very right. Yeah, and not. Uh, you know, I I 264 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: believe that. I believe that the Constitution, like the word 265 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: of God, came down unassailable. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Well, 266 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: we have the whole Bill of rights, So should we 267 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: bring it up to the present day. Yeah, hey, Matt, 268 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 1: what's up with the National Guard or the what what 269 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: are those? Okay, Yes, listen, this is something that at 270 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: least you may hear different things on the old internet there, 271 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: and we just want to at least organize some of 272 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: these terms in your mind. So when you hear militia 273 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: organize or we're we're gonna organize. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 274 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: Please keep it in Okay, okay. So a lot of 275 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: times when you're hearing the word militia, you're gonna you're 276 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: you may hear it conflated with things like the National 277 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: Guard or the state defense forces that exist, these other 278 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: supplemental military are parts of the military, like um National Reserve, 279 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: National Guard. They're all these different things, and these are 280 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: all separate institutions that do different things and are not 281 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: necessarily a militia at least by definition, right the framers 282 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: would have considered them a standing army. Yes, And with 283 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: this in mind, what we're going to talk about just 284 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: real quick, We're going to talk about some statistics, and 285 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: i'd like to while we look at these, i'd like 286 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: to make sure that that everyone listening that you guys 287 00:18:53,840 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: understand what we are delving into today is called terrorism 288 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: by some, it's called patriotism by others, and it's called 289 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: a militia by the media. And we understand that this 290 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: is a remarkably sensitive topic to a lot of people. 291 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: So the FBI considers legally considers this domestic extremism a 292 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: k a. Terrorism, And what we know is that according 293 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: to the FBI and the Southern Poverty Law Center, this 294 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: stuff is on the rise. So the Southern Poverty Law 295 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: Center has some numbers from two thousand thirteen and a 296 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: little bit earlier. There was an explosive growth in militia's 297 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: that lines up or correlates with the election of Barack Obama. Yes, 298 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: you can see the numbers were kind of dwindling in 299 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: the late nineties and into the early odds. In two 300 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, there were around two hundred of these 301 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: patriot and militia groups, at least tracked by the Southern 302 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center. Then in two thousand nine, just one 303 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: year later, uh, there are upwards of six hundred and 304 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: fifty groups that are official and now you know, maybe 305 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: they're just announced that. Yeah, sure, reaching an all time 306 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: high of over hundred in two thousand and twelve. I 307 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: don't want to paint with two broad of brush here, 308 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: but it does seem to me that a lot most 309 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: of these groups are, you know, going to be more 310 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: on the conservative Republican side. Is that correct? It is 311 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: correct in a and this is not necessarily too broad 312 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: of a brush. It is correct from what the demographics 313 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: im pure to show. I guess my my thinking perhaps 314 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: is the folks on that side. You know, you there 315 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: is a lot of rhetoric about liberals wanting to take 316 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: everyone's guns away over overreach of federal protects. So I would, 317 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: I would, you know, but one of the functions of 318 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: these groups is to protect not only you know, themselves 319 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote protect, but also protect their rights to have 320 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: all these weapons. Well, we've also we've talked about this too. 321 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: This is a country of low information voters. I if 322 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: you are listening to this podcast and you're a US citizen, 323 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: then I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news 324 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: regarding your fellows. Citizens. It doesn't matter what side of 325 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: the false political divide you find yourself upon, you know, 326 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I personally, I will be honest here. This is just 327 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: my opinion. The false dichotomy between a left and or 328 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: right is very much like a rigged game of three 329 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: card Monty. To me, the house always wins, doesn't it 330 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: If you look back at history. A lot of that 331 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: conversation continues today in the Supreme Court, in bars and 332 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: cafes across the country, in the halls of Congress, both 333 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: your state Congress and the federal Congress, and what we 334 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: see now emerging are people who believe, for one reason 335 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: or another, again, regardless of what side of the political 336 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: divide they may find themselves on the what we're finding 337 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: are people who believe that the federal government is taking 338 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: legal rights that it does not possess right that it 339 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: that things that should be up to the state of 340 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: Georgia or the state of Delaware, the state of I 341 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: don't what's your favorite state, or the state of Oh 342 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: well done, Matt. The state of Oregon are being taken 343 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: by Uncle Sam, taken by the fat cats and bureaucrats 344 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: and d C using taxpayer supported military might to enforce something. 345 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: It also appears that they may bee uh kind of 346 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: tightening the belt a little bit and trying to make 347 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: an example of at least a few people. Ah Yes, 348 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: speaking of fantastic segues, Matt. Uh, it's time for a 349 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: word from my sponsored and we're back. So let's talk 350 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: about specifically what happened what you have probably heard about 351 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: already if you listen to this show. On January second, 352 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, uh, somewhere between twenty people occupied a 353 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: place called the mau Howard Mau here mau Here Wildlife 354 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: Refuge in Oregon. Uh, this is this is in the 355 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, ladies and gentlemen, I mean sure, everywhere somewhere. 356 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: Not to be rude about it, but it is closer 357 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: to Idaho than it is to Portland. It's three five 358 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: miles outside of Portland's the nearest town is thirty miles away. 359 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: And as we are recording this, the protesters, the patriots, 360 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: the terrorists with I feel like we must use all 361 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: three phrases because they've been called all three things. This group, 362 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: calling itself the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, led by a 363 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: man named Emman Bundy, remains ensconced in this federal facility 364 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: in what so far is a non violent standoff with 365 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: state and federal authorities. Yeah, it's strange. At this point, 366 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't even feel like a standoff at all. It 367 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: feels like they're making demands of somebody who isn't even there. 368 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: Does that make sense, It doesn't. It feels like they're 369 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: not really listening, you know. And in these demands at 370 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: this point, it sounds like they're like, could you please 371 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: send us some snacks? You know? Well, and I don't 372 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: mean that in a derogatory manner. I'm sorry, Bennet, didn't 373 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: mean interrupt. It just seems like every every piece of 374 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: news footage I've seen, it's just like they're on this 375 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: small piece of property and they're the only ones there 376 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: is what it seems like, Yet there's a there. There 377 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: are a couple of interesting analogies I want to make. First, 378 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: let's walk through the timeline, because this story started in 379 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: two sixteen, at least in terms of national attention, but 380 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: it dates back earlier. Right, it dates back to someone 381 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: say two thousand one, someone saying nine, some others I 382 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: don't doubt would say seventeen seventies six. But let's go 383 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: back to two thousand and one, and we will give 384 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: you the background, and we promise it's going somewhere. In 385 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: two thousand one, a father's son duo named Dwight and 386 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: Stephen Hammond, Dwight being the dad's to even being the sun, 387 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: apparently started setting fires on federal land near their own 388 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: private property at a ranch. The first one and two 389 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: thousand one was apparently meant to cover up evidence of poaching, 390 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: and that fire burned a hundred and thirty nine acres. 391 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Fast forward to two thousand and six, when a fire 392 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: is set again on federal land as a protective measure. 393 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: And this makes sense to someone who has experienced with wildfire. 394 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: This was in the winter, and they were attempting to 395 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: They were attempting to protect their ranch and the winter 396 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: feed of their ranch that their livestock with graze upon 397 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: because lightning on federal land set off a series of wildfires. Yeah, 398 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: so you set a smaller fire ahead of where the 399 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: fire may travel and then the fire won't burn over 400 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: that because it cannot, right, because there's nothing to eat, 401 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: there's a there's nothing to befriend. I don't I don't 402 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: know how you guys, Well, that's that's how I feel. 403 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: When I'm building a fire. You start with tender to kindling, 404 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: two logs, and it's like a social network. Fire makes friends. 405 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: I know that sounds all the same, but that's that's 406 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: how I think. So, and I promised that I am 407 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: not starting any wildfires. So these guys go to go 408 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: to court for it. The government is seeking one million 409 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: in damages. And they clearly did this, or at the 410 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: very least multiple witnesses are clearly persuaded they did this. 411 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: That's not in contention. They are convicted of the crimes Dwight. 412 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: The father receives three months in prison, the son receives 413 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: concurrent one year sentences. They go in and they serve 414 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: their time. But here's the thing we talked about this 415 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: in the video. This is where the story might start 416 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: in n instead, because, uh the laws of the land 417 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: change and something called the Anti Terrorism and Effective Death 418 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: Penalty Act is past Anti Terrorism an Effective Death Penalty. 419 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: It's a it's a weird title. Despite the name. The 420 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: law doesn't just deal with terrorism. It also has a 421 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: five year mandatory minimum sentence for arson of US property 422 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: federal land. You gotta love those mandatory minimums drugs with arson. 423 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: But didn't the judge view that is being too harsh. Yeah, absolutely, 424 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: Dwight Hammond is seventy three years old or so. Uh 425 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: So the judges looking at the crime and question, although 426 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: the government is prosecuting for a million dollars, it looks 427 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: like there's actually less than a thousand dollars in damage. 428 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: One other thing, uh that there were three firefighters who 429 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: were put in danger by this. They they saw the blaze, 430 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: but again they're fine and the damage seems very minimum. 431 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: So the judge says, you guys, this is crazy for 432 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: that for that amount of damage or for the crime, 433 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: five years is a heck of a lot. So I'm 434 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: only gonna give you three months, Dwight, and you, Stephen 435 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: Concurrent one year sentences. Dwight the Elder. Dwight the Elder. 436 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: That's a cool name. And then a very strange, very 437 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: very rare thing happens. The federal government steps in and 438 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: appeals the sentence and they say, no, we're gonna we're 439 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna need you to enforce these mandatory minimums because this 440 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: is a serious situation, and go ahead and do that now, right, 441 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: So the Feds appeel the ruling and they win. This 442 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: is the impetus for em and Bundy to lead his group, 443 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: this Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, into this refuge, this federal facility, 444 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: to occupy m and Bundy, interestingly enough, as the son 445 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: of a fellow named Clive and Bundy. That sounds familiar. Yeah, 446 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: you you remember him, that the rancher from Nevada or Nevada, 447 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: who is famous for another standoff with the fetes. Yeah, 448 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: that one was he was allowing his cattle to graze 449 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: on federal land and they wanted him to pay great finds, 450 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: and it was like like, uh, several years, it dated 451 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: way way back right, and and he was just like Nope, 452 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: not gonna pay it now. M And Bundy, according to 453 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: the publication Oregon Live, believes that he was divinely inspired 454 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: that God wants him to occupy this to defend the 455 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: Hammonds and to protest federal overreach or ownership of land. 456 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: This is where we enter into things very close to 457 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: sovereign state movements. If you if you ever passed through Georgia. 458 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: First off, we hope you come to Atlanta and feel 459 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: free to say hi to us. Secondly, we want to 460 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: let you know that you may notice some odd license 461 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: plates or some signs that say this is sovereign land. 462 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: There is an organization in this state, as in many 463 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: other states, that calls itself the Sovereign State of Georgia. 464 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: And the names may change, but the idea is the 465 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: same that the federal government should not exist and that 466 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: the highest authority should be the county sheriff. Yes, or 467 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: at least we don't. This individual does not recognize the 468 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: federal government's right to exist here, right, So Bundy believes 469 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: that this is um. This occupation is a protest against 470 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: again big brother federal overach right, Uh, some fat cats 471 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: in Washington intervening where they should not in local affairs. 472 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: And also, of course taxation remains a huge problem, and 473 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: these ideas, these statements have evolved. Originally they said they 474 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: were ready to settle in there for years, asking other 475 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: like minded members of survivalist groups, of militia's constitutionalists some 476 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: might call themselves, and said to these people, come join us, 477 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: and if your leaders tell you not to join us, 478 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: make your own independent decision. We have the support of 479 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: the local population. We are fighting for the people. We 480 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: are protesting for the people. However, interesting thing on January fourth, sixteen, 481 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: Dwight and Stephen Hammond, which you remember from earlier in 482 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: the story, they reported to Terminal Island in California to 483 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: serve the remaining four years of their prison sentences, and 484 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: via their lawyer, they're like, um, we have nothing to 485 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: do with this movement that is occurring in Oregon. For 486 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: sure distance themselves m and Bundy, they said, does not 487 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: speak for them currently as we record this. You know, 488 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: this is weird because as we're recording it, I'm I'm 489 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: hoping that everything ends peacefully. Some of those protesters or 490 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: occupiers or patriots or terrorists or whatever you want to 491 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: call them again, are armed. And you know, we we 492 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: we've talked about this before this UM. We've talked about 493 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: this in Waco, Texas, right, And how in the video 494 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: we talked about how well you know, listeners, some of 495 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: you are old enough to remember the events of Waco, Texas, right. 496 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: The FBI and the federal government certainly remember what a calamity, 497 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: what a disaster became. I would just like to say 498 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: it was a massively complicated issue. We have done an 499 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: audio episode on Waco. No, we've just done a video 500 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: on Waco. Well, maybe we'll have to bring that back. 501 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: It's it's a very complicated issue where you have God 502 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: and and belief mixing in with weapons and children and 503 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: families and all these things, and then also the federal 504 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: government trying to stamp down on things that they view 505 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: as illegal. And one could argue that the folks and 506 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: Oregon their belief in their right to do what they're 507 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: doing to protect their protecting is as strong and compelling 508 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: to them as some sort of religious belief. You know. 509 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: That's that's an interesting idea because it is ideology a 510 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: base isn't it. One of the things that you are 511 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: probably waiting for us to address regarding this situation will 512 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: be the existence or on existence of some sort of 513 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: double standard. And this surprised me when I read about this, 514 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: because both the supporters and the opponents of those folks 515 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: at the Wildlife Refuge believe there are double standards at play. Right. 516 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: You will see this in whatever flavor of social media 517 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: you enjoy, where someone will point out that this is 518 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: a country where children are shot, you know, for one 519 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,479 Speaker 1: reason or another. Of what people will ask if these protesters, 520 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: these patriots, these terrorists were of a different skin color, 521 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: what would happen? Right? And some people is strange because 522 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: some people are saying everyone would be behind them if 523 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: they weren't white people, And some people are saying everyone 524 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: they would be raised to the ground and then and 525 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: the refuge would burn if if they weren't that demographic. 526 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: What's happening here? And I don't mean to be too conspiratorial, though, 527 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: I guess that is part of the reason you're listening today, 528 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Whenever a story garners national attention like this, 529 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: I always wonder what the other stories are, you know, 530 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: what I mean, what's the news that's gonna what's the 531 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: news that's gonna go live at four this Friday? Oh 532 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: the Friday Surprise, buddy. Yeah, yeah, the Friday News sneaking 533 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: it in well, speaking to that double standard. UM, I 534 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: just found a story a little while agoats into this 535 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: is a new development. A guy named Jerry delimis m 536 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: who is an official in the Donald Trump presidential bid. UM. 537 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: He is actually connected in some way to the folks 538 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: doing this, uh, this occupation and burns and is visiting 539 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: with them now, um in an effort to, as he 540 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: puts it, get them and others home safely. And the 541 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: crux of this article is that he apparently warned some 542 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: of these militia members and their supporters to UM pay 543 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: attention to any misinformation the government is disseminating, essentially implying 544 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: there operating some sort of you know, psy ops campaign 545 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: against uh, these these occupiers. I wouldn't be surprised. I 546 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised at all. That is a tremendously underestimated 547 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: and effective method, both in the court of public opinion 548 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: as well as you know, as well as for people 549 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: who were at a standoff or under siege. Marine Peltier, 550 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: a Washington Army National Guard staff sergeant, was speaking with 551 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: an outfit called The Oregonian, and she said it wasn't 552 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: really an armed group. She said, somewhere armed and others arn't. 553 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: I have a quote from her. There is absolutely no 554 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: armed standoff roads were we are going to and coming from. 555 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: They want us to know they are simply occupying land 556 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: and a building owned by air quotes We the people 557 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: our tax dollars, and that for them is a civil, 558 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: peaceful protest. So so these are occupied protesters. These are 559 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: occupied protesters. Nail on the head mat because you know, 560 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: you can see the logic here, right, Everyone who lives 561 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: in this country below a certain income or wealth level 562 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: pays taxes because they can't afford to not right, they 563 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: can't afford a tax haven. I mean, that's just the 564 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: honest truth. And if you're listening and you you do 565 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: have some shell accounts, bully for you. Great, right, But 566 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: the point being that most most people pay these federal 567 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: taxes with with um little very little control over how 568 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: the spec in ding is actually allocated. Right, Oh yes, yeah, 569 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: it's not taxation without representation, it's taxation without allocation these 570 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: days and somewhat representation and somewhat representation shout out to 571 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: d C, right, And I mean not to Congress, but 572 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean to the people who live in d C 573 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: and have no representation. Yeah. I still can't believe that 574 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: that was something I had no idea. I was completely unaware. 575 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: I don't mean to throw back there, but yeah, if 576 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: you live in Washington, d C. There's nobody in the government. 577 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: Well there's, uh, I guess the president in a way, 578 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: but not really. Yeah, but you know, you can meet 579 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: senators at the at the five guys or something, right 580 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: and talk to them directly. That's something anyway, The point being, 581 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: we can follow this logic. People. Most people pay some 582 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: sort of tax, right, and those taxes are allocated to 583 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: differing things. And one of the things they were allocated 584 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: to was the construction and maintenance of this wildlife refuge 585 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: facility there in Oregon. And what what the logic of 586 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: this group is is that, well, we the people, the taxpayers, 587 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: paid for this. We built this, so it belongs to us, 588 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: and we can occupy it as we will. That's that's 589 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: the logic. So this is nodwin for us, guys, because 590 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: this is a story that is developing. It isn't done, 591 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, and and listeners, I want to put out 592 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: this disclaimer. We do not know despite our earlier episode 593 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: on Prophecy, we do not know what will happen between 594 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: the time we are recording this, the time you're hearing it, 595 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: and the time people we the people whomever that might 596 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: be are allowed back into that facility or allowed out 597 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: of it without being arrested. So with these developments of minds, 598 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: we would like to hear from you. We want to 599 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: know if you are a survivalist, if you are a 600 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: member of a militia, if you feel safe talking about it, 601 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: and it is not illegal to be a member of 602 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: a militia, No it is not. You're not breaking the 603 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: law just by being a member of that club, right. 604 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: I would like to say I reached out to the 605 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: Georgia State Militia, at least on the official website for 606 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: the Georgia State Militia, and I wrote an email to 607 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: the pr email there, and I did twice, and I 608 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: was just trying to reach out and see if anyone 609 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: would talk with us, and I didn't hear back. So 610 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: if you are still out there and you can hear 611 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: this someone in the Georgia State militia. I would like 612 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: to hear from Yeah, you know what that would I 613 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: would love to get that of you. If you think also, 614 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: if you think this is just absolutely crazy talk, then 615 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: we'd like to hear from you as well. We want 616 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: to hear both sides of this, and we we also 617 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: want to know what you think is going to occur. 618 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: Is this the beginning of something much larger? Is it 619 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: an isolated incident of spoiler alert, it's not. Listeners, you 620 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: might be surprised by how many other times throughout this 621 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: country's history federal buildings have been occupied right or have 622 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: been attacked, sieged, destroyed. It's not just embassies in some 623 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: foreign country. It happens here. And another thing I want 624 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: to I just I want to go back to before 625 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: we leave, is if you live in the US or 626 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: just live in a time where this country is around, 627 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: you are living in the midst of a grand experiment, 628 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: a gigantic, gigantic place. Uh And in terms of reach, 629 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: it's it's a global thing. It's a superpower. It's a 630 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: grand experiment in that we being the human species, hasn't 631 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: really done something like this before. We've done similar things, 632 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: right British Empire, like the idea of how America functions 633 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: the empire. Yes, we do know one thing though there 634 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: is not an empire that has survived. Is humanity capable cognitively, socially, 635 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: fiscally and physically of sustaining It's a grand thing. Or 636 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, we talk about un laps number and stuff 637 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: right or down laps number, the concept that our brains 638 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: are hard, hardwired to only acknowledge a certain number of 639 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,720 Speaker 1: other people as peers are real people, right, And I 640 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: hope you listen to the episode Everybody, So I won't 641 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: tell you the number now, but I will tell you 642 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: it is far, far less than a million. Speaking of 643 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: ben and and bringing in the idea that there may 644 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: be things happening in the news right now that this 645 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: is kind of getting in the way of I don't 646 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: know if you guys saw the world stock markets over 647 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: the past few days, but it's been tumbling and tumbling 648 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: and tumbling, and uh, if you if you follow slash 649 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 1: r slash collapse on Reddit, um man, it's fascinating what's 650 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: going on right now. And I always feel like there's 651 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: kind of a smoke screen that goes on in the 652 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: world news that you know you'll you'll hear highlights of 653 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my gosh, that was really bad. Everyone, 654 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: at least from my view, appears to want to kind 655 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: of shed their cover their eyes a little bit because 656 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: you just can't believe that your four oh one k 657 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: or wherever your money is allocated in the stock markets 658 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: in the world. You just have to pretend that it's 659 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: not actually collapsing, right, I mean there's because it feels 660 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: like if you look at it hard enough, you start 661 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: to see, oh, look at these imperfections. Oh wait, maybe 662 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: those numbers aren't real. Maybe those projections don't make any sense. 663 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,280 Speaker 1: Oh wait a second, I should probably sell my stock. 664 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know the whole thing. It's just I think 665 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: that might be where people don't want you to look. 666 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: That's your point to go even bigger. There is a 667 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: there's a sense of perspective that is often lost on people. 668 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: It's lost on me. It's so easy for us, in 669 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: our brief span of time here as individuals and perhaps 670 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 1: as a species, to mistake the ephemeral ephemeral for the permanent. Yeah, 671 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 1: and uh, if you look at it, the great span 672 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: of the universe. We've barely begun to exist. Yes, and 673 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: so many things that seem to be concrete, unending institutions 674 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: are at best a house of cards in a windy room, 675 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: A glimmer, A glimmer, Yes, a flash in the pan. Uh. 676 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: And before this all burns down, we'd like to hear 677 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: from you, I should end more positive for a while. Yeah, No, 678 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: I just I found a really interesting article. Apparently, UM, 679 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: the folks and Oregon just last night allowed to Reuter's 680 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: reporters to join them and hang out. And there's a 681 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: pretty interesting article on raw story dot com and the 682 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: headline is Pizza, Paranoia and Psychological Warfare A night inside 683 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 1: the Oregon standoff. Um, there's some great photos and a 684 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: lot of information about UM, you know, how they're kind 685 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: of like using the facility and the compound that they 686 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: have their in different office of spaces and what they're 687 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,280 Speaker 1: using them for. And there's a whole section on potential 688 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: in game scenarios. So I definitely recommend that for some 689 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: additional reading for for listeners out there. Fantastic, and we'd 690 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: like to also hear any additional reading that you would 691 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: like us to share with your fellow listeners. You can 692 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook. You can find us on Twitter. 693 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy Stuff at both of those and will 694 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,439 Speaker 1: be providing updates uh both both from stuff we find 695 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: them from stuff you find. You can also find us 696 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: in other places where we are well. 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