1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: On this episode of Much World. The Wall Street Journal 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: broke the news on Sunday, June eleventh that billionaire philanthropist 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: George Soros was handing control of his nonprofit Open Society 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Foundations to his thirty seven year old son, Alex Soros. 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: Open Society Foundations directs about a billion five hundred million 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: dollars a year to groups such as those backing human 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: rights around the world and helping build democracies. Foundation money 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: also goes to universities and other education organizations. The Sorrow 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: super pac called Democracy Pack, has backed the election campaigns 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: of district attorneys and law enforcement officials seeking to reduce 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: incarceration rates and racial bias in the judicial system. You 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: may remember George Soros's money is one of the reasons 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: we ended up with the radical left district attorneys major 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: cities across the country, which has led to a huge 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: crime problem. Here to discuss Alex Soros taking over for 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: his father. I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, Rachel Erenfeld. 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: She is the founder and president of the American Center 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: for Democracy and the author of a new book, The 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: Sorrows Agenda. Rachel, welcome and thank you for joining me. 20 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: In New World. 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 22 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: You know, the news broke that ninety two year old 23 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: George Soros would be handing over the rains to his son, Alex, 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: who's thirty seven. What do we know about Alex and 25 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: how he was chosen as the successor? 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: Sorowso will be ninety three in August. Has grown Alex, 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: the thirty seven year old son very early on to 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: become his He grew up in a house that was 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: completely consumed with politics, surrounding and focusing on his father's activities. 30 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: He was very young when his father, George Soros opened 31 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: his Open Society Institute in New York in nineteen ninety three, 32 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: and he grew up with the idea, the radical ideas 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: and listening to his father's well mumbo jumbo for lack 34 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: of better definition, rambling about his philosophies related to what 35 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: he called what he borrowed actually from Carl Popper Open Society, 36 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: and it created the foundation. The first one was the 37 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: Open Society Institute, and then it moved into Open Society Foundations, 38 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: many many entities, many different organizations that are run by 39 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: the Open Society Foundations that now Alex Soros since December 40 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: actually has been running. So the announcement in the Wall 41 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: Street Journal was very interesting because they called it an interview, 42 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: but it wasn't an interview. It looked like a glamorous 43 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: press release. A very interesting public relations exercise in describing 44 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: or trying to boost the image of Alexander sox And 45 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: he needs boosting because he doesn't have the charism of 46 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: his father. He's very radical, has a big wat chest 47 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: to spend. And although he has been very active on 48 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: social media, tweeting out and showing on Facebook his many 49 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: photographs with political leaders, presidents, prime ministers, celebrities from all 50 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: over the world, not only in the United States, but 51 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: foreigners as well. He did everything in order to boost 52 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: his image. He learned from his father, I guess, to 53 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: do some marketing. His father did the same after he 54 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: became a billionaire, when he became a billionaire in nineteen 55 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: ninety three after raiding the Bank of England, after devaluating 56 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: the British Band and making between two and ten billion dollars. 57 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: So alex grew up very rich and very spoiled and 58 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: as I say, groomed to be part of the Open 59 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: Society Foundation. He is more radical than his father he 60 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: doesn't have his father's experiences. 61 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: Of course, he has his own foundations. 62 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: He declared that he will support more than before, especially 63 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: voting rights, because apparently they think that American citizens don't 64 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: have voting rights. So since we have voting rights, I 65 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: think that the effort will be to get the millions 66 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: of illegal migrants somehow to vote. That could be one 67 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: effort that they will focus on. Another one will be 68 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: supporting abortion rights federal actually getting the federal government, which 69 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: they hope would be the Biden administration. 70 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: I guess to. 71 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: Pass a federal law allowing abortions at any stage, and 72 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: also transgender rights. But if they are successful with pushing transgenderism, 73 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: they won't have to worry very much about abortion because 74 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: the castracted population will not produce many pregnancies. I ensume 75 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: this is what he is very very active on. He 76 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: has his own Bend the Arc foundation, and Bend the 77 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: Arc is also something that sorrows himself. George Soros himself 78 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: said in an interview to The New York Times that 79 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: history needs to be banned. 80 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: He has been bending history. 81 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: Alex has his own bending, and this Bend the Arc 82 00:05:54,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: organization is of secondar Left cleaning progressive jew use an 83 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 3: apparently a few non Jews. It is very active in 84 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: against the Israelis Zionists Jewish state. They are funding, of 85 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 3: course also and operating against the judicial reforms that the 86 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: bibbin Etanyau government is trying to pass. Alexros made the 87 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: statement a while back, saying, well, the Jews really don't 88 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: understand that if they support Israel, they are supporting things 89 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: that they would never support here, like discrimination, totalitarianism because 90 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: it's a Jewish state. Jewish is religious right, so there 91 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: are no He like his father, he is really parting 92 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: his father statements before, saying that Jews in a special 93 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: State is an abbreviation and he doesn't support that. He 94 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: doesn't support the Jewish state. That's in a nutshell. Who 95 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: alex Oros is. 96 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: There are a feeling for a long time that his 97 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: older half brother Jonathan, who's ower with the finance background, 98 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: that he was the more likely successor. 99 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, alex has been much more involved in politics than 100 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: any of the other kids. 101 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: That's what he grew up with. 102 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: He went to international meetings his father. In twenty eighteen, 103 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: for example, George took alex on a special world tour 104 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: introducing him to political leaders all over the world. They 105 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: visited Africa and he introduced him as his heir, so 106 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: this is not new. 107 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Well, Alex says that he's even more political than his father. 108 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: What do you think he means. 109 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: That he will support more actively, he will give more 110 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: money to different political causes. We have more walk radical 111 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: causes in the United States than we ever had before. 112 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: We didn't have transgenderism, we didn't have Black lives matters. 113 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: Nobody was promoting racial division in this country like it 114 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: is happening now. There are many new agendas, work agendas 115 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: to support, and I'm sure there will be a few more. 116 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: And we are not finished with illegal migration, so we 117 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: shall see what will happen with that. That's something that 118 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: Soros the father has been supporting for a very very 119 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: long time, not only here. 120 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: But he started actually very actively supporting it. 121 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: In Europe too, and I'm sure that the son will 122 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: continue with that. 123 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: What is the world that they want to create? 124 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: They want to create source stunt. Soros is power hungry. 125 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: In his youth, he was thinking of himself as God. 126 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: When he became rich and he could actually afford all 127 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: kinds of political activities, he started to live out his fantasies. 128 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: So that's his fantasies, I guess. And the United States 129 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: is the superpower country in the world, and what a 130 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: better goal is to take over the country. Now he 131 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: couldn't be elected president because he was born in Budapest, 132 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: so the next best thing is to try and change 133 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 3: the country to his liking. By the way he criticized 134 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: the constitution, he said that our funding fathers were the 135 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: children of the enlightenment, and they believe in division of power, 136 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: that the division of power will be enough to protect 137 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: the democracy. But they were naive, he wrote, and he said, 138 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: after two hundred years, he said condescendingly, we have discovered 139 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,479 Speaker 3: that when it comes to human affairs, truth can be manipulated. 140 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: He has big ambitions, big ideas. And you asked, what 141 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 3: is an open society? He said that it's a different 142 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: conception of how society ought to be organized, more sophisticated 143 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: and democracy or the communist system, and here wrote books 144 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: about this. He says that he's an unacknowledged philosopher. That's 145 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 3: how Alex grew up with the ideas. He thinks that 146 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: the little people don't understand really what the world is about. 147 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: He does and Therefore, he is doing his best in 148 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: order to get us what he thinks we disolve, and 149 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 3: that's a society that would become really sort of stunn. 150 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: As I said before. 151 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: Hi, this is newt. 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You write about a dinner you had 166 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: at his home in New York City back in nineteen 167 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: ninety five, where he was saying things that were just 168 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: plain not true. 169 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 3: Can you explain that The first experiment that he had 170 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: in the United States to see how much he can 171 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: push changes in this country was the. 172 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: Attempt to legalize drugs. 173 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: And in nineteen ninety three nineteen ninety four when he started, 174 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: the idea of using drugs, of becoming drug addicts was 175 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: unacceptable and the idea of legalizing drugs was unthinkable. Well, okay, 176 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 3: So he wanted to see how much he can push Americans. 177 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 3: How resilient are Americans holding their values, and how resilient 178 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: is the law, the criminal law. 179 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: In this country. And so what he did he was 180 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: advocating for that. 181 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: He founded his own organization to promote drug organization, and 182 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: he founded other smaller organization that existed, and he started 183 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: lobbying for legalizing drugs. He declared that some drugs are addictives. 184 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 3: This is after Arizona pushed back and said, no, you 185 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: cannot legalize all drugs. So he said, okay, some drugs 186 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: are addictives, but others, like marijuana, are not. And this 187 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: was a line because we knew in nineteen ninety four 188 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: that marijuana is very addictive and that marijuana is the 189 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: visited under Schedule one as a dangerous drug as the 190 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: most dangerous drug together with heroin. Fintinally schedule two, marjuana 191 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: is schedule one key and the people who were there 192 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: were really preaching for legalizing marijuana. 193 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: At that meeting. 194 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: There were a few reporters, There were some administration officials. 195 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: Apparently they were talking about all kinds of visitations and 196 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: travels which they should have not actually accepted from source. 197 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: And they were also there in order to support him 198 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: with best ways thinking about how to legalize drugs. He 199 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: even spoke about how the Swiss which created really a 200 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: drug part in the middle of Zurich, giving out drugs freely, 201 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: and it became a terrible place and they had to 202 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: close it down. Later I visited the place, and I 203 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: saw and spoke with the Minister of Justice, with the 204 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: former president, with the psychiatrist who were in charge with 205 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: I visited prisons and I saw how dreadful this program was. 206 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 3: And I just came back from Switzerland when I was 207 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: at this meeting at his home, and he started telling 208 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: me how wonderful it is, and we were standing in 209 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: the corner in the room, a very big living room 210 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: at his apartment on Fifth Avenue. He was very loud, 211 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: and he told me about this, and I quietly said, well, 212 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: that's not exactly the case. I just came back from 213 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,359 Speaker 3: Switzerland and it's actually a failed program. He was astonished 214 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: that I even tried to correct him, so he started 215 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: yelling at me and he said no, no, He said again, no, 216 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: this is a very good thing, and I said, well, 217 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: no it's not. He was so mad he turned around 218 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: and left the room and left me alone. So it 219 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: was like a Woody Allen movie. Really, I see him 220 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: from Woody Allen movie. Everybody moved to the other end 221 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: of this big living room and left me standing in 222 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: the corner telling him or trying to inform him, or 223 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: objecting or disagreeing with what he said. It was not 224 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: something that he tolerated very well. So that was the 225 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: meeting that he's. 226 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: The very nature, yes, of being that kind of a billionaire. 227 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: Let him do a certain kind of arrogance that no 228 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: one challenges him. Is that a fair statement? 229 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: No? 230 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, no one really challenged him. I wrote. 231 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: Also, an hoped was published in the worlds With Journal 232 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: saying that because of his money and his respectability as 233 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: a financial maverick, if he is unchallenged, he will be 234 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: able to change the political landscape of the United States. 235 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: This was February nineteen ninety six. I was right. 236 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I took information to some senators. I took information 237 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: to Republican mega donors at the time, and I said, look, 238 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: this is something that you have to fight. 239 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: And nobody did anything. I didn't see you. I should 240 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: have seen you. 241 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: It's been very hard to get much information about Sorrows. 242 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: How much of that's a function of his aggressiveness legally 243 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: and going after. 244 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: People probably a large part. 245 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: People are afraid to talk, and people who used to 246 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: work for him are afraid to say anything. Two of 247 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: the people I spoke with are no longer alive. People 248 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: who worked for him and opposed his drug legalization campaign, 249 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: for example, didn't there say anything to him. And this 250 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 3: warned me to secrecy. People used to work for him 251 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 3: say nothing because he's so rich and because he's so litigious. Yeah, 252 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 3: they're not saying anything. Publishers didn't want to touch anything 253 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: regarding Sorrows A long time ago. When I wrote the 254 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 3: Waldsaw Journal piece, I was actually threatened and the journal 255 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: was still with a letter from his lawyer at the 256 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: time saying that I should retract what I said. There 257 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: was nothing to see me. I didn't say anything that 258 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: was not true. He doesn't like any criticism. The strategy 259 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: that he adopted later was to label anyone criticizing him 260 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: as an anti Semite. And his son Alex, who is 261 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: now taken over, has already announced if he want, in 262 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: the Walls journal piece that he will do the same 263 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: to try and silence critiques, and by doing so, by 264 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 3: trivializing anti Semitism, they increase it. 265 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: But this says a guy who is basically against the 266 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: state of Israel. 267 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 3: Yes, the Open Society Foundations funds not only left leaning 268 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: radical groups in Israel, including Arab groups that deny israel 269 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 3: rights to exist. They also fund indirectly, for example, the PIJ, 270 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: which is a designated terrorist organization, and yet nobody's calling 271 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: them out. 272 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 2: Nobody's following that. 273 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: There is a chapter in the book and I name 274 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: the organizations they are funding, and they are doing their best, 275 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: together with Alex Soros's bend the arc to defame the 276 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: Jewish state of Israel and criminalize it, together with Human 277 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: Rights Watch and other organizations and BDS. 278 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm amazed two aspects of his politics. One is the 279 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: sheer amount of money that he gave to the Democrats 280 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: in the last election. 281 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: I don't know Filchlberg had given a lot of money 282 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: in the last election too. 283 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: He gave four hundred million dollars. That's not pocket money. 284 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: Considering the amount of money that were given, for example, 285 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 3: to elect prosecutors, etc. 286 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: It's not much money. 287 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: It turns out that bribing politicians or buying politicians in 288 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 3: America is not a very expensive thing. Look at the 289 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: new allegations about Biden. A vice president of the United States. 290 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: He can be bought for five million dollars. 291 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: It's nothing, sure, but you have things like the influence 292 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: Anthony Blncoln, etc. State. 293 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 3: Most of the officials in high positions in the Biden 294 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 3: administration are linked with sorrons one way or the other. 295 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: I didn't realize, for example, that Robert Maley, who is 296 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: a special envoy to negotiate with Iran, is the former 297 00:19:54,760 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: president CEO of Source funded anti Israel Prohomas International Crisis. 298 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: This is not a totally biased thing. Wendy Sherman, the 299 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: Deputy Sectory of State, was on the Sorrows funded anti 300 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: American Anti Israel International Crisis Group board. Victoria Newland, the 301 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: Undersectory of State for Political Affairs on record helping the 302 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: Sorrows Fund management in Ukraine. You go down this line 303 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: by line by line, it's amazing how many people who 304 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: are associated with Sorrows ended up in the Biden administration. 305 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: The tip of the ice belt, actually, because in order 306 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 3: to really find out the links between Sorrows and his 307 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: influence every well and the people and organizations that he 308 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: has funded, we need to develop. 309 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: A really AI. 310 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 3: Even AI with combinations of very sophistic algorithms will not 311 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 3: be able to take down. 312 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: All the connections. 313 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 3: And the Open Society Foundation was ranked as the least 314 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: trans parent NGO of its kind in the United States 315 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 3: and andngo's abroad. That's quite impressive, the least transcaling. 316 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: These are people who are very good at defending themselves, 317 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: very good at calling for openness while being totally closed, 318 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: clearly deeply committed to a hard left, anti traditional American position, 319 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: with an enormous network inside the Biden deministration and inside 320 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. The last thing I have to ask 321 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: you about because it again, until you wrote this book, 322 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: I'd always been curious. We just didn't know enough. Apparently, 323 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: according to your book, the IRS filings of the SOURUS 324 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: funded Democracy Integrity Project. This is almost a Bolshevik. I mean, 325 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: Lenin would have loved the deliberate use of words for 326 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: the opposite meaning. 327 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if you know anything about Minzenberg, who developed 328 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 3: the propaganda machine for Lenin and the Bolshevik it reads 329 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: very much like what Minzenberg has done. 330 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: The Open Society Foundation has actually closed the democracy integrity projects, 331 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: actually designed to undermine democracy and integrity. It's amazing. But 332 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: according to the IRS filings, the SOSS Democracy Integrity Project 333 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: had a payment of almost a million dollars to the 334 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: British intelligence agent who can conquer the Steel donc. 335 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well sure, but you didn't hear anything about it, 336 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 3: so why not writing about Yeah, it's Hillary Clinton. I'm 337 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: sure he funded Hillary Clinton until he moved to Obama, 338 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: but he continued to fund her, and he funded many 339 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 3: things in Ukraine. His involvement in what is happening now 340 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: in Ukraine and how the US got involved in Ukraine 341 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: deserves a special book. 342 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: So soas anti Russian in that sense. 343 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: He doesn't like putting. 344 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 3: Putting flow him out because putting didn't let him propagate 345 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 3: his ideas and fund everybody, and he was handing out 346 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: not only his money, but very often and in Russia, 347 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: of course, he was handing out our tax money which 348 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 3: received from the State Department. When I asked, White America 349 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 3: is being credited for money that is being given to 350 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: different entities and causes in the former Soviet republics, the 351 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: State Department response as well, you know, he has more 352 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: offices everywhere, so it's easier for him to distribute the money. 353 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 3: Said well, that's wonderful, but you should get the credit 354 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: and said why now, really, so they didn't actually get 355 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: the credit for that. So no, he's been hit very 356 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: often actually spends other people money when he's giving it. 357 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: Through the Open Society Foundation, he's. 358 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: Partnering with many different governments, not only the US, as 359 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: well as the UN and other international organizations all the time. 360 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: What you've put together is remarkable, and I think, to 361 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge, you're the first person to 362 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: really have the tenacity and the courage to dig into 363 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: the Sorrow's world, and your new book, The Sorrow's Agenda, 364 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: is a must read for people who want to understand 365 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: how the last twenty years evolved and the way in 366 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: which the left was consistently financed to undermine all of 367 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: our values in all of our institutions. The Sorrow's Agenda, 368 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: I think is frankly scary and danger of winning. 369 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: You're not the first one to say that that it's frightening, 370 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: but I. 371 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: Think that because I lay out his plans and the 372 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: strategies that he used, I think it could help people 373 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 3: who want to counter it to learn what to do, 374 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 3: because if you know your enemy, you can try and 375 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: counter it. 376 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: Right. 377 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: That's why I think your book is so important. You are, 378 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: to the best of my knowledge, the first person to 379 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: lay out how Soros operates, the kind of people he's 380 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: been influenced, seeing the depth of his penetration. That makes 381 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: the Sorrow's Agenda, I think, a really important book. We're 382 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: going to encourage people to get a copy of your book. 383 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: We're want a link to it on our show page, 384 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: and I think we'll watch carefully to see how Alex 385 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: leads the Sorrows billions as we get into the twenty 386 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: twenty four election process. But I want to thank you 387 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: for joining me because you're doing courageous work and you're 388 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: taking the real risks, and I think it's remarkable that 389 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: you wrote this book. 390 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I appreciate it. 391 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Rachel Herenfeld. You can get 392 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: a link to buy her new book, The Sorrows Agenda 393 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: on our show page at newtsworld dot com. News World 394 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: is produced by Gingers three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive 395 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: producer is Guarnsey Slum. Our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The 396 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: artwork for the show who's created by Steve Penley. 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