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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the day

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Speaker 3: when people write in with something interesting to add to

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Speaker 3: contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Let's see, Rob,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to kick things off today with this response

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Speaker 3: to our first episode on the illusion of control. This

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Speaker 3: comes from Ariel. All right, let's have it, Ariol, says

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Speaker 3: dear Robert and Joe. I hope this message finds you well.

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Speaker 3: My name is Ariel, a software developer from Argentina, and

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of your podcast. This is the

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Speaker 3: first time I'm reaching out, and I wanted to share

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Speaker 3: some thoughts on your recent episode, The Illusion of Control,

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Speaker 3: Part one, especially regarding the thought experiment about someone else

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Speaker 3: pushing the slot machine button. Your discussion sparked my interest

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Speaker 3: because in the realm of computer software, the generation of

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Speaker 3: random numbers is a fascinating topic that's much more complex

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Speaker 3: than it may seem at first glance. Generally, the most

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Speaker 3: sophisticated algorithms for generating random numbers significantly consider the physical context,

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Speaker 3: including at the very least the precise timing of pressing

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Speaker 3: a button. The outcome, Specifically, the random number generated could

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Speaker 3: vary even with a delay of a few milliseconds in

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Speaker 3: pressing the button. That doesn't change the chance, but it

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Speaker 3: might change the outcome. So maybe it was what's the

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Speaker 3: lady's fault that the player lost the bet. While I

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Speaker 3: don't have specific insights into how slot machines are programmed,

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Speaker 3: the principle usually holds true across various applications. Random number generators,

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Speaker 3: or RNGs, play a crucial role here, producing vast sequences

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Speaker 3: of numbers every second without any discernible pattern. These RNGs

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Speaker 3: can be classified mainly into two types. True random number

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Speaker 3: generators or trngs and pseudo random number generators or PRNGs.

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Speaker 3: Trngs derive randomness from physical phenomena, making it virtually impossible

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Speaker 3: for attackers to predict the sequence of numbers. On the

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Speaker 3: other hand, PRNGs generate numbers based on algorithms and a

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Speaker 3: seed number, which could theoretically be reverse engineered, although the

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Speaker 3: likelihood is exceedingly low. This distinction is crucial because it

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Speaker 3: highlights how even seemingly insignificant factors like who presses the

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Speaker 3: slot machine button or the exact moment it's pressed, could

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Speaker 3: influence the game's outcome in a system that relies on PRNGs.

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Speaker 3: I thought this perspective might add an interesting layer to

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Speaker 3: your discussion on control and randomness, emphasizing how deeply intertwined

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Speaker 3: physical actions and digital outcomes can be, even in systems

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Speaker 3: designed to be as unpredictable as slot machines. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for the continuous effort you put into making such thought

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Speaker 3: provoking content. Your show has been a source of endless

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Speaker 3: fascination and learning for me, and I eagerly look forward

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Speaker 3: to each new episode. Please keep up the great work.

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Speaker 3: Best regards, Aril from Argentina. Well, thank you so much Aril.

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Speaker 3: This is a wonderful email, and it raises a great

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Speaker 3: question about what it really means to cause an outcome

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely true what you say that random number generators

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Speaker 3: can be, for example, time based. I remember this is

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Speaker 3: little computer games in que basic. I would use a

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Speaker 3: demand in the Cubasic code called randomized timer. And the

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Speaker 3: to generate unpredictable pseudo random numbers. Because I think if

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Speaker 3: the same random number every time. Not very random.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So in that case, the exact time the code was executed,

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Speaker 3: random numbers you got. Slot machines may work differently from that,

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Speaker 3: And this is what you meant Aariel when you said

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Speaker 3: can't do that. So if somebody rolls your dice for you,

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Speaker 3: in one sense, you could say they caused you to

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Speaker 3: so they physically caused whatever the role was. But the

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Speaker 3: way we would normally understand someone to cause you to

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Speaker 3: been predicted to lead you to losing or could be

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Speaker 3: predicted to decrease your chance of winning. And so somebody

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Speaker 3: rolling the dice for you or pressing the slot machine

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Speaker 3: roll or spin is not predictable. Okay, So again I

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Speaker 3: think this really plays on like different ideas of understanding

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Speaker 3: that outcome to be random, you know, questions of quantum

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Speaker 3: all physically determined by preceding causes. But lots of stuff

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Speaker 3: randomness just means that there's no way for the party

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Speaker 3: be predictable overall percentages. It's like, you know, when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, overall, you know that in your career, our

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Speaker 2: twenty rolls are all going to even out, but maybe

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Speaker 2: you're only going to roll five of them tonight. What

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Speaker 3: Right? Right? Exactly In the same way you can know

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, now that we've gotten the serious listener

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Speaker 2: mail out of the way, let's get to the weird

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Speaker 2: house cinema listener mail. This first one I'm going to read.

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Speaker 2: This one is I guess, half listener mail response and

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Speaker 2: us from goth mom Light. Hey, fellas number one. As

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Speaker 2: a long time Durani, I was delighted that you named

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Speaker 2: January's listener mail episodes after Duran Duran tunes. However, I'm

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Speaker 2: puzzled as to why I listened to each of these

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Speaker 2: episodes but didn't catch any other Duran Squared related stories

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Speaker 2: or references. What am I missing? Is there something I

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Speaker 2: should know? Whether, No, there's nothing you should know other

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Speaker 2: than I too. Am a longtime durand Ran fan since

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Speaker 2: I first saw the music videos for Wild Boys and

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Speaker 2: View to a Kill on MTV or I don't even

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Speaker 2: invited me to go deeper into their discography and discover

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Speaker 2: all there is to it. And in general, some months

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Speaker 2: for listener Mail episodes, I'll just randomly choose titles. Well

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Speaker 2: and you can kind of, you know, theme it a

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Speaker 2: actual episode. Right. But that's not all that goth mom

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Speaker 2: Light has to share. She continues here quote I have

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Speaker 2: a weird house cinema suggestion for you. Ramikin from twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: In this indie horror comedy quote, a college girl is

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Speaker 2: terrorized by a ramikin. Ramikin, of course, is a small

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Speaker 2: little container. We use them all the time in the

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Speaker 3: I use a lot of ramikins in cooking, like if

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Speaker 2: break my eggs into a ram can, either one by

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Speaker 2: I need to pick a bit of eggshell out of there.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather do it out of the ramikin than out

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Speaker 2: of a bowl with other ingredients or out of an

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Speaker 2: active frying pan.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I also break eggs into a ram can. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I always do that if I'm going to poach the eggs,

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Speaker 3: because I don't trust myself to like crack it and

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Speaker 3: the olk and all that. It's a much easier You

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Speaker 3: put it in aramicin first, and you can just gently

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Speaker 2: Oh that's an advanced technique. I don't even try that,

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Speaker 3: looked this up. So I've never seen the show Psych,

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Speaker 3: Chris. That is a wonderful one. Chris. I think you're

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Speaker 3: I don't have any credit cards here, but should be

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Speaker 2: And finally, this is little listener mail. Let's see I

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