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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two thirty four,

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Speaker 1: Episode four of Hi Guys production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into American's share consciousness. And it is Thursday, April um,

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Speaker 1: which of course means it is national take your Kids

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Speaker 1: to Work Day. Um. I don't know what that means

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Speaker 1: right now for people. I mean, I guess some people

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Speaker 1: are at workplaces, probably not taking their kids to work

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Speaker 1: would be my did you ever do that? Did your

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Speaker 1: did your parents never take you to their work for work?

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Speaker 1: I mean like, yeah, I would just go to like

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Speaker 1: the gym because my dad was a basketball coach, So

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Speaker 1: I would just like show up and hang out whenever

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Speaker 1: I could. But um, okay, shoot some threes. Yeah she

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Speaker 1: was some threes. Show the players how I was done. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't. It was never like a formal thing.

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Speaker 1: Now now I feel like the kids like when it happened,

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Speaker 1: because I remember being in school and like people like, yo,

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Speaker 1: we're so and so, and they're like, oh, they went

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Speaker 1: to like take your kid to work day. They went

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Speaker 1: to Nashville, take your kids to work there? Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: like my mom didn't go to a office because she

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Speaker 1: was like a freelance writer. So she worked at home

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Speaker 1: or like would be out and then my dad's like

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Speaker 1: a you know, all over the place. I didn't really

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Speaker 1: there wasn't a place to go. But anyway, a decorated artist.

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Speaker 1: By the way, congratulations to your dad. Oh the focus

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Speaker 1: on me, man, focus on bro. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: What is the award your dad just won? Did he

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Speaker 1: just went an award? I don't know something all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: he must be out here. You know. There's a whole

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Speaker 1: other episode about why I'm not keeping up with my

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Speaker 1: dad right now. But uh now I'm working with you.

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Speaker 1: I know he I know he won an art prize

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Speaker 1: to go to Oh yeah, the one at Rome he wanted.

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Speaker 1: My dad used to not he he was his art

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Speaker 1: crew was so different when I was a kid. He

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Speaker 1: was like he gave up on art because he's like, man,

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Speaker 1: I gotta put it, like you need to go to school.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, I can't just shoot Bobby Brown album

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Speaker 1: covers and then like think that's gonna pay the bills

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Speaker 1: all the time. And now he's having a renaissance, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: shout out to him. Renaissance. Man. Um. Well, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien, ak, pretty woman, you're moving to the street,

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Speaker 1: pretty woman. I see my help you need, Pretty woman,

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Speaker 1: I really do not mind helping you move. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: which floor? Oh no, it's cool, oucha pretty woman. Won't

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Speaker 1: you pardon me? Pretty woman? I'm laying down here on

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Speaker 1: the street, pretty woman. I swear I'm strong as strong

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Speaker 1: can be. Could you please just call my mommy? That

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Speaker 1: is courtesy Christie. I'm a Gucci Man based on the

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Speaker 1: story I told on yesterday's episode where I tried to

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Speaker 1: help somebody move spur the moment. She was just like, hey,

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Speaker 1: can you help me with this dresser? And it ended

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Speaker 1: with me on the ground on the street with my

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Speaker 1: back thrown out, um and not feeling very cool anyway. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: shout out to the great Christie. I'm a Gucci Man,

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Speaker 1: and I am thrilled to be joined as always by

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Speaker 1: my co host, Mr Miles grad. There once was a

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Speaker 1: school covered in Ivy, built by money straight from slavery.

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Speaker 1: The students were served by slaves at night and learned

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Speaker 1: eugenics by day. Soon may reparations come tap that endowment

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Speaker 1: fifty bill young their commitments a tiny fraction a hundred

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Speaker 1: mills seems low, and that is in response I think

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Speaker 1: we're talking about trends. Harvard saying they're gonna spend a

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to what was it a tone for

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Speaker 1: their connection to slavery, but not telling anybody any money. No, no, no, no, Well,

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Speaker 1: and like going far enough, we'll see going far enough

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Speaker 1: to identify like sixty three black slaves and seven eight

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Speaker 1: of American people who were in working in bondage for Harvard.

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Speaker 1: And they're like, we're gonna look into that. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I spend, why don't you give them

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Speaker 1: that fucking money? If you know who they are. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty easy right there. Just figure out who descended their boom.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do a lot of research about what

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Speaker 1: we should be paying them. But holy shit, Um, by

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Speaker 1: the way, was that a Was that a shanty? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That was a shanty? Oh yeah yeah, shout out Scouty

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Speaker 1: Magoo on the discord, who you know, turned up a

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Speaker 1: story about Harvard's relaxed racism. The enjoyed the shantiness of

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Speaker 1: it all. Well to give it that shanty treatment. We're

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined by a very funny actor and

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Speaker 1: writer who you've seen on Keenan Indebted a Black Lady

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Speaker 1: Sketch show, Shrill, the movie Desperados, just all over the

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Speaker 1: place killing it. It is the brilliant and talented Nicole

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Speaker 1: Thurma Oh, welcome, welcome back. You know, we got a

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Speaker 1: lot of you know, so vocalized air horns. That might

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Speaker 1: have been the best. Thank you. That's like a weird

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Speaker 1: skill that I have. I feel like people always say

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Speaker 1: A lot of people do that pume same. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got a good ear. Musicians. I could just listen

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Speaker 1: to that for the rest of the episode. That's other

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Speaker 1: people would but simple remember hamhorn. Yeah. But then they

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Speaker 1: had to change it because like NBC suited him because

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Speaker 1: they're like, you can't have that sound bite in it

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Speaker 1: when it just go hey am. But now it's all right,

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Speaker 1: well that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's new with you?

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Speaker 1: How have you been. I've been good. I've just been

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Speaker 1: kind of chilling. I was working a lot and now

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Speaker 1: I'm like unemployed, but in the way that I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited about because I get to like I'm gonna travel,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to New York for a few

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Speaker 1: weeks and just chilly, and I've been just kind of

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Speaker 1: enjoying life. I've been frantic, you know, just staring into

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Speaker 1: the abyss of the news every day and working to

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Speaker 1: not let it affect us. So yeah, my god, I

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Speaker 1: feel like I've been a little bit less in touch

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Speaker 1: with social media lately, and that's helped me a lot.

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Speaker 1: Especially Twitter. Twitter is just why I'm always like, wait,

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Speaker 1: what is happening? Okay, you know what, let me just

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Speaker 1: close my computer, And like, you guys don't have that

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Speaker 1: choice because you have to talk about it every day.

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Speaker 1: But it's like sometimes I'm like, yeah, let's just close this,

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Speaker 1: throw it over, you know, over me, burn it whatever,

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Speaker 1: just get it away from me. It's too much dunk

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Speaker 1: my head in a bathtub for five hours. And yeah, pretend, well, uh,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit

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Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listen

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Speaker 1: and you know, up top, we're going to talk about something.

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Speaker 1: You might want to tune back into Twitter because it's

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Speaker 1: about to get really good. Because Elon Musk is buying

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Speaker 1: Twitter and so we're just gonna talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the responses to that. Um, we're gonna talk about We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about Russia. They're like, they just don't give

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Speaker 1: little effort you had to put into lying on the internet. Um,

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Speaker 1: they did a neo Nazi raid on, like some people

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that. Uh, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about a astronomer going looking for alien technology in the

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Speaker 1: South Pacific, which is exciting to me. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about NPRS weird, weird tone. Uh

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Speaker 1: just generally, Uh, nothing new about it. It's been it's

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Speaker 1: the fuck is this? Um, So we'll talk about plenty more,

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Speaker 1: but first, Nicole, we like to ask our guest, what

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history? Listening for my search history,

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Speaker 1: it's always funny when you guys asked me this, Because

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Speaker 1: I am so crazy, I google everything, and so I

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Speaker 1: always have to be like, okay, listen, Nicole, you can't

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Speaker 1: go on a day to really sad. Guys can't be

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about people pleasers and how

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Speaker 1: what's the deal with people pleasers? Are they always kind

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Speaker 1: the dating context to like, you start dating people, they

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Speaker 1: But I've tried to get better at like paying attention

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Speaker 1: Like what is your real opinion on this? With friends

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, actually, like I've been stifling, like I

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Speaker 1: hate Harry Potter. I'm also have terrible commitment issues, and

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Speaker 1: I've just been saying it because I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: make it hot. I don't even like Sam and you

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Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa, what's that? Like what you said, You're

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Speaker 1: like I would rather have someone telling me, like, I

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Speaker 1: so much fun. So it's just like an opportunity to

424
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Speaker 1: embrace the corny, ist, cheesiest, dumbest things, but to not

425
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: nobody on the boat gives a funk, And that's the

426
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: best part of it to me. It's just like they're

427
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: wearing that the ugly tight eyed t shirts with the

428
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 1: city name on it that they just visited, Like they're

429
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: buying all the tree kids and crab and like they're

430
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: waiting in line for sales at these weird silver stores

431
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just anything about it. I mean, I

432
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: do feel like the cruises that make the news is

433
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: over the past, like decades have all been disasters, I

434
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: mean and going back centuries with the Titanic, Like we

435
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: don't hear the positive stories about people just being like, man,

436
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 1: I really funk with cruises, uh, And like I've just

437
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: through having kids who are obsessed with the ocean and

438
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: boats and stuff, like just seeing cruise ships through their

439
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: eyes for the first time, I'm like, wow, those are

440
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: that's wild that that exists, like even at all, And

441
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: like so I'm probably headed down a path towards the

442
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Speaker 1: cruise at some point in my life and coming a

443
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: cruise person. That's the thing too. I think it's a

444
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: whole culture. But yeah, it's like how yeah, how does

445
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: it exist? There's this huge insane boat with like a

446
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: water slide on it, Like what are you doing? Somehow

447
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: it works? And like the place I stayed in, we

448
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: stayed in a room that had a balcony and I

449
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is the life. So you just

450
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: sit out there and watch the ocean go by, And yeah,

451
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: it was I don't It's like I genuinely couldn't tell

452
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: if I was just very burnt out from work. I

453
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: just really needed a vacation. But I really do think

454
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: that cruises. I think people more people should take cruises,

455
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: especially if you live in a city where there's a port,

456
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: just go for a four day cruise. Like it's still

457
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm I'm constantly at odds with like

458
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: the how like not good cruises are like ethically and

459
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: from a pollution standpoint, but I also have to battle

460
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: the inner old black man within me who wants to

461
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: be on a cruise ship all the time. My grant like,

462
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: and I said this in the past episode, my grandparents

463
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: loved cruises, And I was just like, I get it.

464
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: You don't you pay one thing and then you could

465
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: eat whenever, whenever, whatever exactly you paid. I paid three

466
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: d fifty dollars. I have four days of food and

467
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: drink NonStop and sunshine and pool. Oh it was. It was.

468
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: It was and the and the and the worst shows

469
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life, but in the best way.

470
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, they're literally playing like unwritten by

471
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Speaker 1: Natalie Natasha Benningfield before the show starts, and it's like

472
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: everything about it was that energy the whole show. Oh

473
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Speaker 1: Q described the show like, what was it? I'll tell

474
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: you one show I went to it. I was dying.

475
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: I was dying. There was a show called eighty eight Keys,

476
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, okay, so it's probably

477
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: like dueling pianos. There's something kind of like piano skills. Yeah,

478
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: we went to the show. Uh, there was a man

479
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: playing the piano, but like maybe ten minutes into the show,

480
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: I realized he was not really playing the piano, Oh

481
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: pantomime the piano, and it was just playing over a track.

482
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: At one point, this dude and they were playing it

483
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Speaker 1: as it was real, like they were acting like this

484
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: man was really playing the piano, but I was sitting

485
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: on a balcony. I was like, that dude is not playing.

486
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: And so then at one point he genuinely he just

487
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: stood up while the piano was still playing and walks away,

488
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: and like it wasn't a joke, it wasn't like they

489
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: made it a bit. It was just like they just don't.

490
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: They just gave up the conceit at one point like

491
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: he's not playing, you know whatever, who cares? And it

492
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: just it killed me. They were like singing like a

493
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: bunch of pop songs, and you know, they were very

494
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: cute and they were they were having the time of

495
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: their lives. Also they're doing the cheesiest shows ever, but

496
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: they don't care. And that's what's so great about it,

497
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, like everybody's just like leaning into it. Eight

498
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Speaker 1: eight keys was really something else. I mean, I was

499
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: like screaming. I was like, we were like looking down

500
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Speaker 1: at his hands and he's just going like this, like

501
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Speaker 1: really and he's not even touching the key. He was

502
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: really good at first, so I never would have known.

503
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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I was like, wait

504
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Speaker 1: a second, Yeah, he started doing the just like slamming

505
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: hands down on right, right, right, fake keyboard, and I

506
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, he's not even playing the piano.

507
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Speaker 1: I love I love a fun nest fake instrument playing.

508
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: I love it. It was. It was really fun. All right,

509
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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

510
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: And we're back and uh, yeah, let's talk. You know,

511
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: I think the consensus among the people I fall on

512
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Twitter is that we're fucked now the Delon Musk has

513
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: purchased successfully purchased Twitter. Um, and what what what are

514
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: we hearing from? I mean I think we kind of are,

515
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: but like, what how are other people reacting with? Uh?

516
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: There's I mean, there's all kinds of I think everyone, yeah,

517
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: rightly is focused on this guy who's keeps talking about

518
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: freedom of speech, who clearly doesn't know what the funk

519
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: that means, has bought the bird app and what does

520
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: that mean? Um, there's a few different things. There's this

521
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: one piece by this like sort of like tech critic

522
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: Shiva Vadia. Nothing in Slate, who's just talking about like

523
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: who sort of brings up an interesting point of like

524
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: Twitter as a business is not a good opportunity, Like

525
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: that's not something you want to buy as a as

526
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: an investment in general. Um. And you know, look, just

527
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: talking about how has a business it has been like

528
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: just pretty much they've they haven't figured out how to

529
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: make it profitable or to scale it. You know, the

530
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: many wonderful world's words of Wall Street, and they put

531
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: it up for sale a few times, and people haven't

532
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: really ever bought it. And I think that just when

533
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: obviously there is this whole element of yes, Ellen could

534
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: bring all the unsavory ship bags back and open up

535
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: the gates. Um. But there's just just narrowly, there is

536
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: one potential benefit to that, which is all of that

537
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: conservative tech money that was spent on those free speech

538
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: platforms like truth and Ship would become a fucking would

539
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: become moot the second he opened up the gates, because

540
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: that's what the whole reason people all the people like

541
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: that fled to those other sites or like there's no

542
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: lives here. So if they're allowed back on Twitter, they're like,

543
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: why am I using this ship again? Um? So that

544
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: would potentially that that that is a one fear on

545
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: like the conservative tech side, which is like man if

546
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: Trump comes act and this, that's going to be bad

547
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: news for these smaller apps. But that's not even like

548
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: the big picture is there is there are are any

549
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: of those flourishing and like really a threat to I mean,

550
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: you know you hear about horrible things being said on them,

551
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't know, like is there no

552
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: not in this sense, like you know, especially we've talked

553
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: about truth social like that this thing is dead in

554
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: the water. Um and even til they're still waiting to

555
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: be let in the door, many people you're not getting

556
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: in that club. Um. But again like sort of put

557
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: just looking at Twitter though, just as like a business entity,

558
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: you know what exactly is Elon must trying to do it?

559
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: Does he actually wanted to help to grow it or

560
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: does he want it to be profitable? Because what was

561
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: the purpose of buying it? Like, well, I think on

562
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: one side it's like, yeah, I guess you literally own

563
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: the libs by buying Twitter or something. But what you

564
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: know as a business person, because you're always talking about

565
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: your business acumen, like what is the goal here? Now?

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00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: I get that. One version is he just doesn't give

567
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: a funk he wants He'll let it melt down into

568
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: a total cess pit of like hate, you know, hate speech. Um.

569
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: But on the other side of that is like is

570
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: it growth? Is it profitability? Because the things that he

571
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: has talked about aren't necessarily going to reshape the app

572
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: or bring more people in. Like yeah, the edit button. Sure,

573
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: people are like, oh that would be cool. That's like

574
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: a bone free one for like the people who are

575
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: on Twitter. But that's going to take a lot of

576
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: time and effort to actually bring that to you know,

577
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: bring that to a reality. The human authentication thing to

578
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: keep bots off. Sure, but many points to the fact

579
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: that you know, you could just invest more in proper

580
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: content and user moderate ration and you know, keep things

581
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: moving in that sense. But I think the other thing

582
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: is that he's if he's you know, by buying it

583
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: and takes a private he's not beholden to shareholders at all.

584
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: So like a lot of people are trying to speculate

585
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: what how do you game this out? Like is it

586
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: going to be just a downward spiral? Is it going

587
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: to be you open it up, you bring all these

588
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: angry people away are angry people back on the platform,

589
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: which would drive away other users, which isn't going to

590
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: help anything for like the value of Twitter. So I

591
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: think really we can, like even even in the worst

592
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: case where you know, Trump's back and all these other

593
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: things are happening, those would be like those wouldn't necessarily

594
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: benefit Twitter in the end, I think, because they're also

595
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: not really innovating as a platform. You know, Twitter is

596
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: not even the top ten social media platforms. There's there,

597
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, there's the fully the potential for something else

598
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: to come up that people like, oh, this seems more

599
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: reasonable now than this other thing. So it's a bit

600
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: of like a wait and see thing. And then on

601
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: the on the DC side of it, you have a

602
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Republicans say it would be bad if if Trump got

603
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: back on or like, oh I don't know if if

604
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: we need Trump back on or that could be bad.

605
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: But again I think that there's a twofold problem there.

606
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: One is that they don't want Trump back because it

607
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: would complete he would revitalize his like stranglehold on the

608
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: party by him being back on Twitter it or he

609
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: would take over the political conversation again. Um. And then

610
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: the also thing is that they they fear that if

611
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: he's back on that helps Democrats do their really tired

612
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: as political strategy, which is just gesture to Trump and

613
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: then be like, so y'all vote in blue, right and

614
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: right not do it ends there? Yeah, because without Trump

615
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: they've done so much so um well, I think they're

616
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: I think they realized they can't get bullied in real

617
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: time from Twitter like he used to like as things

618
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: are happening, I think it's more for them. They liked

619
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: that they didn't have to fear the Trump tweet anymore. Yeah,

620
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: time interested to deceive what I'm saying, a couple of

621
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: things like how many people left the platform? I know

622
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: every everybody was losing followers. I lost I think two

623
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: fifty followers, and I think people are just running from

624
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: it but they don't know what's going to happen. And

625
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: then I'm also I feel like it's like this weird

626
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: thing where if Trump I feel like people are always

627
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: weird about trumping on Twitter, where it's almost like they

628
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: they're like, oh man, that would be so terrible. At

629
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: that big bad guy that I used to quote retweet

630
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: came back, you know what I mean, Like, and I

631
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: kept going viral because I was talking it on Trump.

632
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's a little bit of that

633
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: energy too, like they don't nobody wants it, especially before

634
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: nobody fucking wants Trump online talking and ship. But I

635
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: think that there's this weird energy that was there when

636
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Trump was president and when he was on Twitter of

637
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: like it's kind of it's kind of exciting and spicy

638
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: and like, let's just play with this toxic ship. But

639
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: it's like that's not good because all it ever did

640
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: was elevate the trash to a higher level. Yeah, and

641
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the real, the real losses would

642
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: be to like people who organize on Twitter and actually

643
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: use it for like positive things. But I think, like anything,

644
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: an alternative could emerge that is easy, that that could

645
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: be as easy to use. But you know, I think

646
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, again, you read the headlines, you think this

647
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: could be. This is scary, and yeah, it could be.

648
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: But it's gonna take some time to fully understand what

649
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: his vision is for this and how that works because

650
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: he's also he's going to find himself running Twitter in

651
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: the lead up to a presidential election, and Elon Musk

652
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: is in just inherent like all it's gonna take her

653
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: some more spicy Marjorie Taylor Green type people to pop up,

654
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: and then what does he do with them? And now

655
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: people are going to connect him to all that, whether

656
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: or not he wants to platform them or d platform them.

657
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of extra ship connected to it

658
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: that like doesn't necessarily make Elon Musk just look like

659
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: the coolest kid on Twitter. So that's why I'm like,

660
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: definitely not. I mean, think about how much people bully Jack.

661
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: They were like Jack, what are you doing? It's like

662
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: that same thing is, like you really want to be

663
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: that guy that's constantly like having to decide if you're

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00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: gonna pull people or let them be on and how

665
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: far you're gonna let people go before they just like

666
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: even if he's not the one making the final decision,

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00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: he's he becomes the de factors. The face. Yeah, I

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00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: don't think he gives he And I also I think

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Speaker 1: he's a combination of like, you know, realizing that all

670
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: good publicity in america's like at least increases your footprint, um,

671
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: and also famous enough that like he's surrounded by people

672
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: who are gassing him up all the time. So I

673
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: just think he's very dangerous. Probably part of a strategy

674
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: is to control like discourse in some way the way

675
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: that like you know, billionaires during the barren era, like

676
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: we would do that. Ship. Um, yeah, I think I

677
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: think the concerns are founded. I still feel like you

678
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: can still use Twitter right to like coordinator to organize,

679
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't feel like it like what

680
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: it should be as a public utility, and like we're

681
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: moving away from that obviously, and that's fucked up. But

682
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: like that, like he I feel like it's not great

683
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: for our side or for people who are trying to

684
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: do good in the world. If like a billionaire buys

685
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: all phone networks across the America and they're like, well,

686
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: I just don't use the phone anymore, and it's like, well,

687
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: we're putting ourselves at a disadvantage, like we just need

688
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: to you know, keep well. Yeah, And I think for

689
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: the people who need that, who are resilient, this isn't

690
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: gonna do much because they see the utility of it

691
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: and you can just block the funk out everybody, you

692
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Um, And maybe that's how people

693
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: will get on with it and it will continue to

694
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, do its thing in the Musk era. Yeah, yeah,

695
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: there's just it's it's it's going to be very very

696
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: interesting because there's so many. There's so many because like

697
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: you're saying, because Twitter has become sort of like the

698
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: this utility in a way, but it's still not even

699
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: the top ten user basis of like social media. Plantner

700
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: has this very interesting place, uh and seeing what he

701
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: does really good or bad TVD, but again a billionaire

702
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: buying it never good, never again. Can you guys explain

703
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: the edit button to me like that? I don't fully

704
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: understand the because like my my understanding is that the

705
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: reason you use that a button is if you have

706
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: a tweet up a lot of people like it, and

707
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: then you realize like you want to change something about it,

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00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: and then you edit the tweet like their likes are

709
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: ascribed to like something that isn't accurate, right, Like that's

710
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: that feels weird, Like what like you can't you can

711
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: edit what you said, just delete the previous thing and

712
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: then rere pushed your Tweet's like that thing, oh I misspelled,

713
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: I misspelled said in my viral tweet. It makes me

714
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: crazy though, So I'm all about the edit button for

715
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: that exactly It's like a small reason because I had

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00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: a tweet go viral where I said like, choke uh,

717
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: but I didn't mean to say the US, so it

718
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm saying like choke out like Italian choke

719
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: when I choke up, and I was like god damn.

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00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: I kept just like watching it and I was like, oh,

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00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: I want to take it out, so I would like

722
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: to edit that, but it is fun. Have you ever

723
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: There's a TikTok that I saw where it was like,

724
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: keep talking about TikTok but you know what, sometimes I

725
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: get portant with TikTok Um. There's a TikTok though that

726
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: I saw where somebody was like texting their friend and

727
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: they asked a question they said like are you white?

728
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: And as the person was responding the person the other

729
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: person said, if you are, then you like you say

730
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: that you hate black people and love slavery, and then

731
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: the person said yes, and then you know, they responded

732
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: immediately like it's just that it is that thing of

733
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: like where you can change what you've said, and then

734
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: the person who liked it is seemingly vouching for like

735
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: some crazy shit, right, So yeah, I could get out

736
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: of control. But I don't know if people are. I

737
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: don't know. We could. We have to see, I guess.

738
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: But for me, it's just I want to take a

739
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: little extra letter out of a tweet, right yeah, yeah exactly,

740
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: not wholesale, be like yeah, yeah, I get somebody to

741
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: like something the like you know, rope a doom into

742
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: being like okay, so you okay? So is he is

743
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 1: he like team edit button is yeah, yeah, he wants

744
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: an edit button because campaigning on that. That's that's the

745
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: saddest part of his like, because he's just like, I

746
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: just feel if I just got the tweet just right,

747
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: people would like me. It's like a buddy, we we

748
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: hate you because you are you know, unethically wealthy and racist.

749
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: That's that's our main thing. It's not because you've uh

750
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: funked up a tweet. I for one love little Emerald boy,

751
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: and I would be honored to work with him. M hmm. Interesting.

752
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: That is the the number of places I've just you know,

753
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: being out in public, I've had Ela Must quoted me.

754
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Still boggles my mind, Like Ela Must quoted me as

755
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: if like Socratecheese once said, some ship musk once said,

756
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: it's all these like strivers like rise and grind people.

757
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: But it's such a because he has his rep is different,

758
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: you know Twitter. He people don't like him on Twitter.

759
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: Off Twitter, it's a whole other thing. It's like, I'm

760
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: curious of what his supporters think about that, because yeah,

761
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: there's people driving around in tesla's and I've seen a

762
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: license it that said love Musk on the back and

763
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, these people are like all

764
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: in damn meant animal musk, love musk. Like he could

765
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: he could run for president and do pretty well at

766
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: some point in the future. He wasn't. He's not He's

767
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: not an American, so we can't. Oh yeah, that's right,

768
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: that's right. Did you see that somebody said he was

769
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: an African American just to stir the pot because he's

770
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: in Africa. Wasn't it a black woman? I said, come on,

771
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: I thought she was white. I saw one where as

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00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: a black woman. People were like, hold on now, like

773
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: is this an avatar switch up? Like what what is

774
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: happening here? That's but crazy? Yeah, I know, thanks, they're like,

775
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: and I think someone above was like, oh I do

776
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: not know about apartheid or and okay, don't worry about that.

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00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come

778
00:39:48,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: back and talk MPR and we're back. Um, and this

779
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: is this is kind of a weird one. This is

780
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: just like, uh, you know, something I noticed, but I'm

781
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: curious to get you guys thoughts. But I just like

782
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: head and listen to MPR. And probably a year, Um,

783
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: something happened with the way my phone was connected to

784
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: my car, so I started popping on every once in

785
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: a while around the time of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: And it's like I was hearing it again, like with

787
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: fresh years, and it just felt insane to me, Like

788
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: it's like it's so gentle and like it's explaining the

789
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: death of a of a pet to a child, but

790
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: they're explaining the news of the world to an entire

791
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: generation of adults. Um. And yeah. So I mean that's

792
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: basically my thesis that if we weren't used to it

793
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: from like decades of MPR being like a one of

794
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: the primary neoliberal sources of information, we'd all be like,

795
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: this is so fun, getting weird. Um. And then I

796
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: do wonder if there's you know, a a larger point

797
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: about the amount of cognitive dissonance that's required for the

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00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: type of people who listen to NPR, sort of that

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00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: gentry class of liberals, like where there's just a lot

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00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: of calories, a lot of mental calorie, Like you could

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00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: mint to bitcoin with the amount of mental work that's

802
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: required too, you know, both be aware of all the

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00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: inequality in the world, uh, and also believe that like

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00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: the mainstream d NC is the answer, and you know,

805
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: buying into mainstream corporate media narratives and like still feeling

806
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: like you're the good guy. Like it's just it all

807
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: feels very um, like it's a it's a lot of work,

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00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird position to be in as

809
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: a neoliberal. And so I feel like there's something something

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00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: about this aesthetic that like helps just be like, no,

811
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: that's okay, this is all happening. So you are right,

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00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: you are You're good because you're listening to stuff about

813
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: the bad stuff happening enough to get like a cursory

814
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: understanding of of the details. Um, but don't worry. We're

815
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: gonna make it down, go down very smooth, and we're

816
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: going to talk to you in the way that uh,

817
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, your your snobby friends talk to you, and

818
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: you know it's we're just doing this over a glass

819
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: of like pinot grig. Don't worry like it's all cool. Um,

820
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you? What do you? Guys?

821
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I know I totally feel that because and we talked,

822
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: We talked about this all the time, because then no

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00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: mainstream media outlet like it. It's always meant to sort

824
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: of frame all these conversations in a very tidy thing

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00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: where it's not going to bring too much. It's not

826
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: gonna bring the reader or listener or viewer to ask

827
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: really tough questions about like US foreign policy or domestic

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00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: economic policy. It'll describe a problem you know, somewhat you know,

829
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: bad in a balanced way, but also not really confront

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00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: the problem or offer solutions to the listener, which would

831
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: actually spur the next first thing of like the next

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00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: thought on because if it's just like and it's all bad,

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00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: but it's being contained there and due to that, like

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00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: the people do have a more optimistic outlook on the

835
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: chances of Russia being successful in their invasion of Ukraine,

836
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, I don't really I know that's happening.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to fucking think deeper about this. I

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00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: don't even need to think of like what does this

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00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: mean for the military industrial complex in the United States?

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00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: Why some factions of the U. S. Government like all

841
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: in on this, others aren't. What's the deal there? Why

842
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: there's like you know, it's it's again. Yeah, like you're saying,

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00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: it sells like an illusion of being tapped in and

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00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: that you're you're on top of it all without challenging

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00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: you enough to really kind of begins doesn't have anything

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00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: to do you think with that um, that annoying thing,

847
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Speaker 1: what does it ally fatigue how people are just they're like, oh, man,

848
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: I cared about this cause, but can't we take the

849
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: like squares off our Instagram yet? You know that kind

850
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: of thing where it's like it's like you want to

851
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: be there and you want to support and fight, but

852
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: like you also want it to be kind of easy

853
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: and simple and short, and like maybe there's something to that,

854
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: like if you if it goes down with a little

855
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: bit of sugar and a smooth, you know, airy voice,

856
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: then it's easier to handle. But yeah, then you're not

857
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: necessarily hearing it all or understanding how big it could

858
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: be because you're just like this is just it's like

859
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: neatly contained. Yeah, and it's the emotion is removed. Um.

860
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: It's very much like hearing a professor talk about a

861
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: thing that like an event from history more so than

862
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: it's like hearing somebody at that this thing is actually happening,

863
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: to that there's a you exist in the world where

864
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: this is happening. Um. But yeah, I think like the

865
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: ally fatigue syndrome and like NPR, which has been doing

866
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: this for you know, decades now, but I think they

867
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: both come from the same play of you know, wanting

868
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: to feel like you are on the right side while

869
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: also wanting to stay at a safe distance from the

870
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: like what what is actually happening? Um. I have this

871
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: clip that I pulled and I literally just like, I

872
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: was like, it would be helpful if we had a clip, uh.

873
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: This morning, and I went to the NPR website and

874
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: was like, let's find them. The thing that made me

875
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: notice it was a story about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

876
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: So I just went and looked for a story where

877
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: they were talking about that, and I like four minutes

878
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: in I thought this is you know, this isn't like that.

879
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm catching them saying something wild or anything. This is

880
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: just an example of what I'm talking about. Um, I

881
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: don't know, Miles, do you wanna like I have the

882
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: link there, I could just pull it up. Yeah. So

883
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: for four ten And is this a podcast? No, well

884
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: this is on the NPR. Bad they so they serve

885
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: everything as a podcast. And I should say, like in

886
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: relation to the podcast. Um, when we started like our

887
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: little shingle of like how stuff Works, which became I

888
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: heart like, one of our stated goals was to create

889
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: shows that did were not influenced by the nprs that

890
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: because it felt like so many shows were just like,

891
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, this American Life and then this American Life

892
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: Descendants and like everybody was just like, hey, so this

893
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: is from the one you know. Um, but yeah, the

894
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: NPR is wild influential to the point that like this

895
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: might not even sound that crazy to people who listen

896
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: to a lot of podcasts inteligence capabilities including So this

897
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: is just the end of the report of how the

898
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: US is helping to investigate worker. NPR Justice correspondent Ryan Lucas,

899
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ryan, doesn't doesn't Isn't that soothing? I guess not?

900
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: Nice Susan boys, some nice soothing music. The first step

901
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: in confirming that comes in the next story, to look

902
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: for themselves. Days ago, our colleagues got detro how to

903
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: look around boro Yanka. That's one of the cities near

904
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Kiev from which Russian forces recently withdrew. And today we

905
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: hear Scott's stories of two people who survived the Russian occupation.

906
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: Natasha and her daughter's family spent a month hiding in

907
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: a cramp. What did we eat? Mostly potatoes. I had

908
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: some spare oil, and then I have a cow, so

909
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: I had milk, and I went to my neighbor. I

910
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: gave her some milk. She gave me some other things,

911
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: some cheese. So this is how we survived. So that's

912
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: all right. That was the main like kind of pieces

913
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to play because you know, so Scott, Scott

914
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: and Skip comes in very calm, just like you know,

915
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: this is the story where we're going to give you

916
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: some stuff from the ground. And then they bring in

917
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: somebody who is, you know, very emotional and like you know,

918
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: breaks down a little later in the interview, but then

919
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: they like overlay her with someone who sounds like they're

920
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: recounting a meal they prepared over a glass of wine.

921
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: Like ever, yeah, yeah, just when you're talking about military operation. Yeah,

922
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: so yeah for context that that woman uh was hiding

923
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: in her basement um, starving with children, trying to hide

924
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: from Russia who was trying to murder her, and like

925
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: like what do we eat? Well, we had a nice

926
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: little like potato saute and like it's like this kind

927
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: of feel is disingenuous because like they are giving people

928
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: information that people need. I just want to take a

929
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: moment to acknowledge the aesthetic and uh make fun of

930
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: it because it is fucking weird. I will say that.

931
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: I remember in twenties teena I was watching CNN and

932
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: like watching the election results come in, and I was

933
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: getting so stressed out and had such anxiety. So I

934
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: had to turn it to CBC Canadian TV because they

935
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: were just they're just talking. They were just they're presenting

936
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: the facts and not going crazy, and there weren't like

937
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: air horns and loud noises every five minutes, and it

938
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: was like the only way I could handle it. So

939
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: it's like I know that you know that that's working.

940
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: You know it gives them, you know, more listeners, and

941
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: people are drawn to that for that reason. I think,

942
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, what does that say necessarily about people? Like

943
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: that's how they have to handle work, crimes and things. Well, yeah,

944
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's just how It's just like the messaging, right,

945
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: Like it's one thing if someone's like, oh, hey, that

946
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: house is on fire. The house is on fire. Yeah,

947
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: it's inhuman. It's it's it's the humanity out of it

948
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: was strange, and so your response to it is going

949
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: to be completely different too. It's like it gives you

950
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: the new is with a like little like anti anxiety medication,

951
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: Like so yeah, yeah, I don't need Yeah, people don't

952
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: need to be listening to like the Death Metal of

953
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: the News podcast. You're like, it's all fucking over. But

954
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: at the same time, you do do people a disservice because,

955
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: like you're saying this, even this is even how I

956
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: saw it, especially the summer covering all the police Fucori.

957
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: They were like then some have seen it as potentially

958
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: being racially motivated behavior, and you're like, hold on, yeah,

959
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: we're we're all looking at this in real time and

960
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: you can't even come out and properly sort of catch

961
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: people up. I think is the energy should be. There's

962
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: there's a serious issue with law enforcement. I think that's

963
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: just there, and I get that. I think people see

964
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: like we're autatorializing by saying something like that, But you

965
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: also need to convey the severity of something to people,

966
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: because if you say it all monotone, you're gonna think, oh, yeah,

967
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: it's just a few bad apples. Meanwhile, you look at

968
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: the people who are in the streets and the way

969
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: they speak about it. They're not like, oh, it's this

970
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: or that. We're talking about existential threats, and I think

971
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: to take that out of the way you're telling the

972
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: news allows people to think, oh, I mean, yeah, the

973
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: invasion might be fucked up in Ukraine, but that woman

974
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: seemed so, she had a cow, she had some oil y. Yeah, yeah,

975
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: this is yeah. I mean, this is the whole NPR aesthetic.

976
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: Is itself a reaction to the like you know, Dan rather,

977
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: Peter what's his name from ABC, Tom Broke, Peter Jennings,

978
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: like that whole like and like it's unnatural like that

979
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: that is, it's weird, unnatural trying to play the center

980
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: type thing UM, and NPR is like, no, we'll talk

981
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: to you, UM in this other way that feels less

982
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: like artificial. But now it's like so uniform across so

983
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: many channels, and it just doesn't like it's now its

984
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: own weird artificial thing that seems to be aiming to

985
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: just like make everybody feel calm about uh and like

986
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: feel like they're the good guy and you know, get

987
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: well can wear their tote bag with pride um and yeah,

988
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: so I asked, uh super producers Becca and Tricia to

989
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, Becca looked into just like a history of like,

990
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: what what are other people pointing this out? And she

991
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: pulled some very funny tweets and also like I think

992
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: a really smart one where somebody, um Alex Safe Cummings tweeted, uh,

993
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: the system has every reason to want to revert back

994
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: to the norm, to the even keeled MPR tone of voice,

995
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: and it will probably try. But Trump, to his credit,

996
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: in a weird way, has blown up all duplicitous civility

997
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: to the ruling class. The pretty West wing illusions are

998
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: mostly gone, and like, I think that's interesting to think

999
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: of Trump as, uh, what one of the things he

1000
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: is reacting to is like this insufferable neo liberal class

1001
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: of just you know that tone like he Trump's rude

1002
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: conversational like kind of weird speaking style as a breaking

1003
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: out of the like quiet politeness that MPR embodies. Um

1004
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: is kind of an interesting way to think about that. UM.

1005
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: And then and then there is apparently like straight up

1006
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: gate keeping UM, Like we don't have them in a

1007
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: room telling people to like be more zand out. Which

1008
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: was the assignment. I was like, can you find out

1009
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: if they have like a candy bowl full of like

1010
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: xan X at the office or like conditioning. What do

1011
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: they tell the people before they go on the air,

1012
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: is my question? Like I I still like, well, we

1013
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: won't find this out, but if if zy Gang, if

1014
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: any of our listeners have experience with this, like I

1015
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm dying to know, like what are there is there

1016
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: a process where they're like nope, okay, just calmer, all

1017
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: right now? Can you take it down just a little

1018
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: bit more? You're at like a three, I need you

1019
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: at like a one minus. Um, Like I would love

1020
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: to just hear what that's like. Maybe when they're in person,

1021
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: the hosts talk super quietly, they're like, so you compare,

1022
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: so then the other person that's talking to them feels

1023
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: like they need to talk quietly to like maybe it's

1024
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: just this weird like mirroring thing feel bad for the

1025
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: people of color who work in there, and they're like,

1026
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: let me tell you what I do, Like what I'm sorry, Yeah,

1027
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean so Uh. Producer Tricia pulled a story about,

1028
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, somebody who an MPR contributor who was preparing

1029
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: a story for air when he became aware that he

1030
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: was altering his speaking style to fit would he believed

1031
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: to be the MPR voice. Um. And then you know,

1032
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: there there's another story where somebody was basically told, h

1033
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: uh that they couldn't come on the air on MPR

1034
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: because their accent seemed to or their voice seemed to accented.

1035
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: Giselle Regatto road an essay and the Columbia Journalism Review

1036
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: in which she recounted her attempt to pitch a story

1037
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: to NPR, only to be told by an editor that

1038
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: her piece would not air out of concern for her accent. Um.

1039
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: So you know there's that too, Like there's obviously a

1040
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: crazy bias there. Um. And I think, yeah, yeah, go ahead, no,

1041
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: just do you think about what you're talking about Trump? Right,

1042
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: and like the I get you know, I get that

1043
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: it's soothing, right that it makes it easier but at

1044
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: the same time, it deep down we know it's disingenuous

1045
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: because we're only listening to it because we feel that

1046
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: we need to know about it, but don't want to

1047
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: get freaked out by the sort of the scale of

1048
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: the issue that we're trying to learn about. And I

1049
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: think that's another reason why a lot of people just

1050
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, like people responded to Trump, because if you're

1051
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: hearing on the news, it's like, yeah, you know, medical dad,

1052
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and this guy's been like the pharmaceutical

1053
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: costs are out of control and nah like that energy

1054
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: people like exactly, that's the thing that that actually connects

1055
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: energetically with what I'm feeling about this whole situation. It's

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Speaker 1: not the way it was presented to me. It's that

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Speaker 1: I'm living in a very grim reality. So to present

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Speaker 1: my grim reality with you know this like you know,

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Speaker 1: this paint of cote or this quote or code of

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Speaker 1: paint that makes it really shiny doesn't help me anyway

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Speaker 1: in any way. So, yeah, people are gonna gravitate towards

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Speaker 1: the people who at least are speaking with a level

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Speaker 1: of emotion to it or acknowledging this verity, even if

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Speaker 1: it's disingenuous, because that feels more real at times. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I mean the we've talked before about how the

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Speaker 1: fact that the alternative to the mainstream that is seeing

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Speaker 1: the most success right now is like authoritarianism and Nazism,

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Speaker 1: like in in America, that's the thing that has the

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Speaker 1: most energy. They had the fucking president for four years. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I think, like, I like the fact that so

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Speaker 1: much of the neoliberal like ideal and you know, image

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Speaker 1: and self image is tied to NPR and a thing

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Speaker 1: that seems to be intentionally trying to lull you to sleep.

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Speaker 1: I think is at least part of the problem. Um.

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Speaker 1: But we have we have more on this and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to keep talking about it because I find it

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Speaker 1: very interesting, um, in future episodes. But Nicole, it's been

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Speaker 1: such a pleasure having you on t d Z. Where

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Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you? Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me back. This is very fun,

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Speaker 1: And um, people can follow me and find me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter elon Musk's Twitter at Cole Thurman, I'm n I

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Speaker 1: C C O. L. E. Thurman and also on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Nicole Thurman. Amazing. Is there a tweet or some

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Speaker 1: other work social media you've been enjoying. Oh my god, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this tweet. I think

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Speaker 1: it was yesterday that they that just the discussing film

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Speaker 1: Twitter account always be tweeting out some wild ship I swear,

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Speaker 1: and I think, um, where is it? Of course I

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Speaker 1: had it in my favorite and I'm not gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to find it. Um, it was about Leah Michelle

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Speaker 1: and Jonathan Groff. Did you see this? Okay, here it is? It,

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Speaker 1: says Leah Michelle reveals she once let Jonathan Groff see

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Speaker 1: her vagina using a desk lamp to give him an

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Speaker 1: illustrative lesson and satisfy his curiosity in the Female Anatomy

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Speaker 1: as a gay man with no practical knowledge of its particulars.

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Speaker 1: And it's that it's that story is fucking hilarious. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I was like, what, why do we speak

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Speaker 1: like you? We don't mean to notice you could have

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Speaker 1: just not said that. But also I just think there's

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Speaker 1: something so damn funny about like lately tweets are being

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Speaker 1: so fucking wild when people are doing press tours for

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Speaker 1: movies like what's happening? Like yesterday, I thought that the

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Speaker 1: official trailer for Don't Worry. Darling Variety tweeted like Harry

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Speaker 1: Styles performs oral sex on Florence Pew and it's like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: what happen me? We got to click on it? Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's Harry Styles. We don't click on it. You don't

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Speaker 1: need to say that to get us the crack. It

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Speaker 1: just feels so out late, like you're just getting the

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Speaker 1: craziest fucking stories for these press to wars, which I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess I appreciate the madness, but I'm also like,

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Speaker 1: why do we feel like we have to go that

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Speaker 1: hard to like get people to be interested in a story? Right? Totally? Yeah? Amazing?

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Speaker 1: People find you what's tweet you've been enjoying? This reminds

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Speaker 1: me of Megan Fox thing that just came out her

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Speaker 1: machine gun. Kelly. We just we ingest a little bit

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Speaker 1: of each other. Shut up, Like, first of all, shut up.

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Speaker 1: They always be talking. They don't have to say anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we know you guys peaked when Molly Lambert

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Speaker 1: interviewed y'all and we found out he said he was

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Speaker 1: weed anything anything that you're yeah, yeah, find me at

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Speaker 1: Miles of Gray on Twitter and Instagram. Also obviously our

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Speaker 1: basketball podcast, Myles and Jack Got Mad boost Ease, an

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Speaker 1: NBA podcast where we celebrate the wonderful game of basketball.

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Speaker 1: Also my other podcast for twenty day Fiance with Sophie Alexander.

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Speaker 1: Come check that out if you like that ninety day madness.

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Speaker 1: Uh tweet I like is from at stolen Dan's tweeted

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Speaker 1: uh in parentheses youth pastor voice you know who else

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Speaker 1: called Saul. That's great. I love it, uh tweet. I've

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Speaker 1: been enjoying uh Nicole Thurman. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 1: heard her. Familiar when you ask someone to rub your

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Speaker 1: shoulders and they just rub it, it's like, uh, it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: my dude, I'm gonna need you too, straight up pummel me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome my ship, jump up and down on it, like

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Speaker 1: my back is a little trampoline to help me. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. That is Uh. My wife is exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: That's why they're a gun. They're all I do have

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Speaker 1: one of those, because then I'm like, YO, just hit

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Speaker 1: me with that, like don't worry, he's gonna do all

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Speaker 1: the work. Just name it at my back, just let

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Speaker 1: it drill it in, like, don't be afraid I have

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Speaker 1: a shoulder pain that I just feel like it really

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Speaker 1: needs to be like ripped out of my body or something.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, be violent with me. There's an elbow or something.

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Speaker 1: That's That's the thing I always tell people if they

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Speaker 1: don't have strong hands, I'm like, yo, use your elbow

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Speaker 1: and just digging in with your elbow because like that

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Speaker 1: thing that that that that doesn't you gotta work it out. Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, you can find me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Jack Undersquirrel Brian. You can find us on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: daily Zy. Guys were at the Daily used on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page and a website Daily

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Speaker 1: zys dot com where we post our episodes on our

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Speaker 1: foot notes where we link off to the information that

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Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode, as well as a

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Speaker 1: song that we think you might enjoy. Myles, what song

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Speaker 1: do we think? People? We're gonna go out on a track? Uh.

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Speaker 1: This Japanese artist named Hatty Mijo and uh yeah, she's

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Speaker 1: just kind of um she found remember if you know

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Speaker 1: Chibo Mato that band was in that band. Um. Also

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Speaker 1: like he's been on like some guerrilla stuff. Really interesting artists.

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Speaker 1: But this is a track out called Tokyo Story, and

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Speaker 1: this has got this if I thought it was like

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Speaker 1: a retro like Tokyo City pop track from the eighties,

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Speaker 1: but it's like a little bit more pretty than that.

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Speaker 1: Um and her singing is real spooky and the production

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Speaker 1: is really cool. So yeah, check this out. Tokyo Story

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Speaker 1: by Miho. Alright, well go check that out the Daily.

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Speaker 1: He's like guys, a production by Heart Radio. For more

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning. But we're

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Speaker 1: back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we'll

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