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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Fast Politics. I'm Molly Jungfest and

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Speaker 1: we have a great show for you today. Later in

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Speaker 1: the show, we'll talk to filmmaker Ava DuVernay about her

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Speaker 1: documentary 14th and the fight over the 14th Amendment. But first,

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Speaker 1: we have the Washington Suns. Evan McMorrow Santoro to talk

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Speaker 1: about Trump's ever-eroding MAGA caucus. Welcome, welcome, Evan.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Molly.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I am good. You know who I'm better than? Pete Hegseth.

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Speaker 1: So Pete Hegseth, he's looking down the barrel of an impeachment.

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Speaker 1: And he can either be impeached by Thomas Massey now...

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Speaker 1: and the Republican Senate, or he can be impeached by

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Speaker 1: not Thomas Massey, but some other person, a Democrat probably,

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Speaker 1: in the House in the 120th Congress, and then have

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Speaker 1: a trial with Democrats. So is Whiskey Pete in an

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's so early in this whole new

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Speaker 3: political reality we live in now in which like everything

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Speaker 3: now appears to be just a really terrible idea, which

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Speaker 3: is a huge change for Washington. I mean, literally four

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Speaker 3: months ago, two months ago, I'm talking to people in Washington.

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Speaker 3: They're like, well, you know, Trump is magic. So you

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Speaker 3: don't know. He can, you know, and Hegseth is one

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Speaker 3: You know, the way he got in. was it was

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Speaker 3: So now a lot of the same Republicans either have

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Speaker 3: People do not want to help him. They don't want

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Speaker 3: But we have a lot of questions to answer about

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Speaker 3: So it will come down to kind of how far

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Speaker 3: and support Pete. He had a big press conference today,

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Speaker 3: It just depends on what lesson these other Republicans want

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Speaker 3: We had just not seen any indication that that is

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I'm thinking about Watergate because we're talking

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Speaker 1: Right. Campaign advice. And who also spent his acceptance speech cursing.

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Speaker 3: Which is another one of those. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: It's hard to equate the two things. You know, I

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Speaker 2: Molly, it's time for the headlines. So have you ever

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, some people are like, no, never.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, As somebody who used to date within her family,

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Speaker 2: the way her family would talk about her was, she

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Speaker 2: will do anything if it's expedient.

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Speaker 1: We're really spilling the tea here, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true. I

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Speaker 2: did attend a family reunion of her family once, and boy,

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Speaker 2: was I horrified. So, Molly, another person who is in

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Speaker 2: a seat that you do not envy, John Thune, I

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Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I, you know, I follow

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Speaker 2: some magi, and the true believers really seem to think

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Speaker 2: that There is only one man who can save us.

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Speaker 2: Betty Johnson was just tweeting about this morning. It's John

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Speaker 2: Thune by passing the SAVE Act and the lame duck.

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Speaker 2: It's John Thune by getting through every judge that has

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Speaker 2: ever happened. Stay awake all night. Get the MAG agenda

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Speaker 2: across because some people are very good at reading the room.

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Speaker 1: I love Benny Johnson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know who's going to really help you out here

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Speaker 1: are all the senators who have lost their seats because

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. Right. Like, look to John Cornyn. And

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Speaker 1: what about Tom? I give no fucks Tillis. Tom Bolo,

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Speaker 1: Ty Tillis. Here's what's not going to happen. Tom Tillis,

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Speaker 1: John Cornyn. Who else do we have in the YOLO caucus?

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Speaker 5: Cassidy.

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Speaker 1: Cassidy.

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Speaker 5: I mean, all these.

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Speaker 1: People who lost their jobs because they were insufficiently nice

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Speaker 1: to my man, Donald Trump. So, look, you know, here's

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. There's a lot of shit going down.

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Speaker 1: So we have seven senators, Republicans, who are calling for

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Speaker 1: the election, the leadership elections to be delayed. And we've

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Speaker 1: got soon would like to be reelected. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Soon is that a terrible, terrible plan? I mean, he

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Speaker 1: said it just been inheriting a disaster. We got Ron

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Speaker 1: and on with a group of five senators who wrote

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Speaker 1: a letter calling for a delay. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: You have Barrasso. You have Mike Lee. I mean.

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Speaker 1: This is a part, this is like what it's like

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Speaker 1: to be in the wilderness, is that you have a

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Speaker 1: party that has been completely built around Trump. All these

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Speaker 1: people have either survived by pretending to be pro-Trump, like

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Speaker 1: Dave McCormick is probably more centrist than he pretends to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, or they've, you know, John Thune, those guys,

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Speaker 1: or who have gotten by either pretending to be or

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Speaker 1: being insane, right? Mike Lee, I'm looking at you. And,

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Speaker 1: you know, Tom Cotton. You know what I'm looking at?

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Speaker 2: Them running an Adam Hamilton in Utah next time against him.

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't even run Mitt Romney. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: don't need to run an Adam Hamilton. Just run a

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney. So basically, if you're looking at this election,

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Speaker 1: I think it's important. If you're looking at the 2026 midterms,

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Speaker 1: you're thinking this was actually in some ways a referendum

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Speaker 1: on Trump. dignity and sanity. Like Democrats may have put

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Speaker 1: in some people from the left, but largely it was

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Speaker 1: like a very or or the sort of I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: the more dramatic left. I mean, it's not a policy issue.

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Speaker 1: It's more of it. But largely it was like working people.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was people who are pastors or doctors or.

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Speaker 1: And so the question is, are you going to run

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Speaker 1: MAGA against that? Because I don't think you win if

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Speaker 1: you run like angry racists against like Adam Hamilton, who's

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Speaker 1: a pastor and has a church that's split politically.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think one of the most interesting arguments

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Speaker 2: I started seeing come out today was that there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who read the room in their district.

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Speaker 2: You have these Will Lawrences, you have the David Valado district,

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Speaker 2: like where there's a ton of people on Medicaid and

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Speaker 2: they're talking about Medicare for all. And then now they

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Speaker 2: put up gangbuster numbers. But that is reading the room

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Speaker 2: in a particular district. I think that narrative is something

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Speaker 2: we should all really be learning is that Right. Some

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Speaker 2: of these populist candidates, you know, even like the way

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Speaker 2: Gina Hinton-Josa was talked to, they read the room properly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I agree. And I think that's a really

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Speaker 1: good point. It's like this is about there are certain

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Speaker 1: like ideas that may have seemed very lefty that now

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Speaker 1: are the floor. And Medicare for all is a good

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Speaker 1: example of that.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Like these people want hospitals and health care. And like

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Speaker 1: There is not a single Democrat who didn't run on that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they really didn't. Like you might have made

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Speaker 1: you might have made a distinction in the way you

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Speaker 1: were talking about it. But ultimately, I think that the

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Speaker 1: tacit agreement here was that you were going to in

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Speaker 1: the very floor deliver health care for the American people.

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Speaker 1: And so and even like the most sort of centrist

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Speaker 1: looking candidate understood that. That it was their responsibility to

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Speaker 1: deliver that health care. So I do think in that way,

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Speaker 1: that is very true.

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Speaker 2: Molly, one of my favorite things is when Trump's just

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Speaker 2: love of corruption in the game gets in the way

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Speaker 2: of Republicans going, but wait.

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Speaker 3: Markets, but wait, we have to have oversight.

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Speaker 1: See, I have a slightly different take on this one.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump cannot ever criticize anyone for having an affair

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Speaker 1: or for behaving in an inappropriate or illegal way with women.

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Speaker 1: He can't. He malfunctions when it's an opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 1: So this is about the NVIDIA, the chips. So in

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Speaker 1: this Basically, everyone is criticizing Jensen Huang for having an

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Speaker 1: affair with a Chinese spy. This is an easy win.

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Speaker 1: Do not have affairs with Chinese spies, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: the head of a company that makes the chips that

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Speaker 1: we all use for numerous things that are super important

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Speaker 1: that deal with AI, right? This is an easy win

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump. And Donald Trump can't say it. You

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Speaker 1: know why he can't say it? Because my man does

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Speaker 1: not consider having an affair with a beautiful woman, Chinese

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Speaker 1: spy or not, to be something you shouldn't do.

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Speaker 2: And that is why- Real who amongst us energy.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's like, you know, he said, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is an easy win. Everyone else in both parties

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Speaker 1: are like, you shouldn't have an affair with a Chinese spy, period, paragraph.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump is like, well.

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Speaker 2: Well, they look like they were having so much fun

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Speaker 2: on all those wide retreats together that she was posting

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Speaker 2: on social media.

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Speaker 1: So she's quite hot. But I think more than that,

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Speaker 1: even more than that, is that if you see a guy,

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Speaker 1: a middle aged guy in a leather jacket that has studs.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the alligator leather is the one for me that

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Speaker 2: really gives me peak cringe.

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Speaker 1: We all should have known that the middle-aged guy wearing

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Speaker 1: the leather jacket was stupping someone who wasn't his wife.

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Speaker 1: That is the main thing to take from this news story.

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Speaker 5: You're welcome, ladies.

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Speaker 1: American people, you are welcome. Ava DuVernay is a legendary

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Speaker 1: director of movies like Selma, When They See Us, and

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Speaker 1: the new Netflix documentary, Fourteens, which will be streaming on 12-4-26. Welcome, welcome, Ava.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Happy to be with you. I'm very excited to have you.

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Speaker 1: I'm like a longtime fan and just very thrilled. And also, like,

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Speaker 1: if ever there were a moment to talk about the

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Speaker 1: 14th Amendment. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: So first, top lines, you're like one of the most,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just, I want your top lines because

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Speaker 1: besides being one of the greats, you also have done

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Speaker 1: a lot of political work in this country. How do

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Speaker 1: you feel about this midterm election cycle?

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a time that will be long studied.

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Speaker 5: I was stunned.

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Speaker 4: It was a euphoric night, but also just shocking in

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Speaker 4: a way that Made me feel that I didn't have

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Speaker 4: as expansive a view of the possibilities as I would

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Speaker 4: have said I had. You couldn't have told me in Kansas.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't have told me how close it is in Mississippi.

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Speaker 5: You couldn't have. told me what happened in Texas.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I understood that there were going to be

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Speaker 4: some gains, but I think that the sheer spectacle of

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Speaker 4: revolt was, or I would say revolutionary intention. A revolt

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Speaker 4: really will come from what happens next. And that's a

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Speaker 4: lot about what 14th talks about. But just the sheer

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Speaker 4: and clear voice of the people outside of any kind

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Speaker 4: of institution or outside of any leader, one leader, was

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Speaker 4: pretty awe-inspiring.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the 14th Amendment and your movie,

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Speaker 1: but I also just want to have a minute on

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Speaker 1: Keisha Lance Bottoms.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The way Black women in the South, and Black men too,

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Speaker 1: Scott Collum is such a good example in Mississippi, but

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Speaker 1: the South is a place where he will be the

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Speaker 1: first Black senator from Mississippi since Reconstruction. He's replacing one

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Speaker 1: of the most mediocre white people I've ever, in my

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Speaker 1: time covering politics, covered. I just wonder if you could

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Speaker 1: talk about that.

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Speaker 5: That's quite a pronouncement. That's quite that's quite a statement.

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Speaker 1: She's she's like most famous for having dressed up as

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Speaker 1: a Confederate soldier. Like, I mean, that's, you know, and

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Speaker 1: telling a local newscaster that, you know, if meat's too expensive.

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Speaker 5: Why don't you try another protein? Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just to see the South like be its

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Speaker 1: best self like that must be exciting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my, my, my father's from Lowndes County, Alabama,

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Speaker 4: you know, having made Selma and spent so many times,

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Speaker 4: so much time in Alabama, you know, the, the.

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Speaker 5: I won't say the tide is turning.

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Speaker 4: I think that you have folks who, this is the thing.

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Speaker 4: If this couldn't have happened in this time, it was

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Speaker 4: never going to happen. The amount of shenanigans, buffoonery and

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Speaker 4: you know, that the Trump crime family has unleashed on

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Speaker 4: this country and the ways in which it is, you know,

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Speaker 4: destroying the daily lives of working people is such a...

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Speaker 4: The bar is not low to clear in terms of

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Speaker 4: being able to turn this thing around. If it wasn't

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Speaker 4: going to happen now, I don't see what it would

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Speaker 4: have taken. And so, you know, the.

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Speaker 5: Fact that Alabama... hasn't quite made that turn yet.

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Speaker 4: But, you know, you have Shamari figures there who, you know,

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Speaker 4: is doing, you know, was able to defeat his opponent.

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Speaker 4: Things are, I don't know, changing if change is the

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Speaker 4: right way, but there is a foundation there to be laid.

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Speaker 4: And the hope is that the organization can be put

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Speaker 4: on top of this feeling that people have so that

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Speaker 4: it can really change systems.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the 14th Amendment and your movie.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about the process of making this movie. It also,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's war on Calais and voting rights because

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Speaker 1: it all, I feel, fits together like a puzzle.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the film is the 14th Amendment.

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Speaker 4: And all I knew about the 14th Amendment when I

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Speaker 4: started making it, really activated by Trump's calls to end

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Speaker 4: birthright citizenship on day one, which he attempted to do.

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Speaker 4: That's what I thought the 14th Amendment was.

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Speaker 5: I literally had no.

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Speaker 4: Idea until I already sold the idea to Netflix. that

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Speaker 4: there are five parts and part one has three parts. Okay,

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Speaker 4: at that point, I'm thinking, whoa, this is gonna be

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Speaker 4: different than 13th. 13th, my previous documentary had one central

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Speaker 4: thesis that I based on Michelle Alexander's book, The New

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Speaker 4: Jim Crow. There is no book about the 14th one book. Right.

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Speaker 4: So there are 50 experts, 51 experts who I interviewed

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Speaker 4: for an incredible length of time. And we're incredibly generous

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Speaker 4: to try to piece together what the 14th is so

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Speaker 4: that we can really understand that our ideas about America

661
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Speaker 4: are very much governed by what's in that amendment. And

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Speaker 4: that's why it's so important for it to be destroyed

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Speaker 4: by certain centers. They feel very, very clear that this

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Speaker 4: is the path that you can chip away at these elements.

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Speaker 5: And the whole thing will fall.

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Speaker 4: And what it includes, Stacey Abrams in the documentary calls

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Speaker 4: it the everything bagel of democracy. There's so much packed

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Speaker 4: into this amendment that we're largely unaware of, and that

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Speaker 4: this election opens a door to the possibility of the

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Speaker 4: structural change that's needed to protect it. But it's gonna

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Speaker 4: take a lot more than just the vote to kind

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Speaker 4: of save this multiracial democracy based on the last two

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Speaker 4: years of sheer destruction. Right.

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Speaker 1: And to really become the multiracial democracy that we.

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Speaker 5: Say we are. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Will you talk about the 14th Amendment? Just give us

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Speaker 1: sort of like what you learned doing it, but also

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Speaker 1: like what the 14th Amendment is for those of us

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Speaker 1: who are not constitutional scholars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Like me, who knew nothing except that the birthright citizenship

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Speaker 4: was in it. So birthright citizenship is the queen of

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Speaker 4: it all. It says if you're born in this country,

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Speaker 4: you're an American citizen. That's being challenged. There's some people

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Speaker 4: who want to dictate, well, who gets to be a

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Speaker 4: citizen and, and, and, and, and have designs on what

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Speaker 4: that means and why. And so the film really goes

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Speaker 4: into when you marginalize one group, this opens up the

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Speaker 4: possibility and grooms us to be okay.

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Speaker 5: With other groups until one day it becomes you.

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Speaker 1: The 14th amendment. Can you just give us like this

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Speaker 1: sort of, it comes out of the civil war, right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It's an incredible part of the documentary that gives

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Speaker 4: you a little A little primer on, yes, the three

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Speaker 4: reconstruction amendments, the 13th, the 14th, and the 15th. The

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Speaker 4: 13th said slavery is abolished, except for that little loophole

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Speaker 4: about criminality. The 14th said, okay, there's some things we

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Speaker 4: have to do because the 13th didn't quite work.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 4: And slave people are no more, but they also have

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Speaker 4: to be citizens, guys.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 4: We have to like actually make sure they have some equality.

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Speaker 4: So that amendment said that if you're born in the

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Speaker 4: United States, you're a citizen and that you enjoy equal

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Speaker 4: protection under the law, that you have a right to

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Speaker 4: due process, right? Trying to fix some of the issues

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Speaker 4: in the 13th Amendment. It also spoke to insurrection. It

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Speaker 4: spoke to voting rights. It spoke to the public debt.

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Speaker 4: And it gave Congress the power to govern it all, okay?

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Speaker 4: And when we think about all of that, all of

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Speaker 4: that has been attacked in very specific ways in the

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Speaker 4: last two years, which we go through. We give you

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Speaker 4: the history of it. but also give you a sense

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Speaker 4: of grounding of these are the promises that are in

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Speaker 4: the Constitution. And one of the most eerie parts of

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Speaker 4: the doc is when you see how it's been attacked

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Speaker 4: and literally how Congress has really ignored all of the

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Speaker 4: protections within it. And so, you know, on the, you know,

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Speaker 4: a couple of days after this historic election, that's really

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Speaker 4: made headlines around the world. Friends call me from around

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Speaker 4: the world wanting to talk about this. we need to

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Speaker 4: understand that this is, like I said, it's an open door.

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Speaker 4: We've got to walk through it. This is about organizing.

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Speaker 4: This is about strategy. At this point, they can all

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Speaker 4: be lost if we don't, after the celebrations, really start

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Speaker 4: to get very activist about what comes next. How have

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Speaker 4: you felt about some of the, um, really kind of swag,

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Speaker 4: swagalicious statements from, um, uh, some of the Dems talking

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Speaker 4: about lawyer up and, you know, I, I saw a

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Speaker 4: tweet from a councilwoman saying, we're going to be throwing

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Speaker 4: out subpoenas like Mardi Gras beads.

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Speaker 5: Um, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like what, you know, is that what the people want

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Speaker 4: to see? I saw some blowback from, um, the new,

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Speaker 4: the governor-elect of Texas, when she's talking about her bipartisan coalition.

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Speaker 5: What do you think people want right now?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a real question. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited to see, you know, it's funny because I'm

742
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Speaker 1: thinking about like, so much of Trumpism was this war

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Speaker 1: on the 13th, 14th, 15th Amendment, war on women of color, right?

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Speaker 1: War on women writ large. And so to see like

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Speaker 1: Gina Hinojosa, she's Mexican, be the governor of Texas, and

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Speaker 1: to see Deb Haaland as the governor of New Mexico,

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Speaker 1: and then to see Keisha Lance Bottoms as the governor

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Speaker 1: of Georgia, like it does feel like if I'm going

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Speaker 1: to like lib out for a minute, to see these women, right? Like,

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Speaker 1: and I do think a lot about, like, I wrote

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Speaker 1: a lot about Harris and how, I mean, I could

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Speaker 1: tell like people during the, the democratic national convention, there

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Speaker 1: were a lot of the women who volunteered were black women.

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Speaker 1: And like, I would talk to them and they would be,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I spent a lot of time talking

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Speaker 1: about like how, and writing about Harris and talking about

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Speaker 1: how hard it is to be first. And like, that

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Speaker 1: being first is not necessarily, you know, you suffer because

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Speaker 1: you end up having to take a lot of the flag,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so I just think about, like, we

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Speaker 1: move one step forward, two steps back, or we, you know,

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Speaker 1: and if I'm living out, it's very exciting.

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Speaker 5: Very exciting.

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Speaker 1: That she actually did make change in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: It's the same as Stacey Abrams with Keisha Lance Bottoms, right?

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Speaker 4: Stacey was the first thing I thought of when the

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Speaker 4: race was called, filled with excitement for Keisha, but also

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Speaker 4: knowing the ground that Stacey laid and didn't walk away from,

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Speaker 4: went back into the state and has been our top organizer.

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Speaker 4: And she's in the film and dropped so much knowledge

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Speaker 4: in the film about what to do next. There was

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Speaker 4: some talk early on when we debuted at the New

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Speaker 4: York Film Festival with 14th as the closing night of,

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Speaker 4: you know, Netflix is making a mistake because it's not

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Speaker 4: coming out before the election. There's really Stacey Abrams who

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Speaker 4: says the information in this film is gonna.

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Speaker 5: Be needed after the election. Either way it goes. If

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Speaker 5: it goes the way of the Republicans.

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Speaker 4: There will be an outsized reaction to it and they

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Speaker 4: will be emboldened. If it goes the way of the Dems,

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Speaker 4: there will be an outside reaction because they're trying to

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Speaker 4: save themselves. And so I think part of what the

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Speaker 4: documentary shows you are the patterns in history from when

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Speaker 4: moments like this have happened, which they are, post-Civil War,

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Speaker 4: all new governments, mind-boggling Black men in office, incredible, right?

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Speaker 4: And the violent reaction to that, both in physical violence

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Speaker 4: and state sponsored violence and in what I call a

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Speaker 4: violent patience.

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Speaker 5: You know, the.

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Speaker 4: Patience of waiting and seeping this ideology of supremacy into

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Speaker 4: aspects of the culture, the commemorative landscape. statues, the daughters

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Speaker 4: of the Confederacy in our textbooks, all the ways, all

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Speaker 4: the apparatus works to shift society in a certain direction.

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Speaker 4: Those are the things that Dems and people who lean

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Speaker 4: to the left need to be aware of the dangers

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Speaker 4: of that. And so, you know, I think a part

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Speaker 4: of it is like the question I asked you, is

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Speaker 4: it a bipartisan handholding now on the side, on the

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Speaker 4: part of the Democrats, or is it more of a

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Speaker 4: prosecutorial punishment for crimes? I think there's, you know, obviously

802
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Speaker 4: there's that split in the party, and that's going to

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Speaker 4: have to be reconciled sooner than later after the celebration.

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Speaker 4: How long are we partying?

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Speaker 5: How long are we lipping out?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so wait. I want to I have a question

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Speaker 1: for you, which is this. So you you are now

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Speaker 1: really an expert on the 14th Amendment. And I want

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Speaker 1: you because I mean, when you do a project on something,

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Speaker 1: you're an expert in a.

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Speaker 4: Way that is right.

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Speaker 1: And but I wonder, like, what do you think are

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Speaker 1: the things that Democrats need to get going on to

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Speaker 1: realize this amendment and to protect it?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you got to know what it is. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, nine out of 10 people that you ask

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Speaker 4: what's in it don't know. So just lay that out.

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Speaker 4: You'll be an.

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Speaker 5: Expert on the 14th Amendment by the end of it.

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Speaker 4: But then from there, the film doesn't prescribe.

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Speaker 5: The exact way to go.

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Speaker 4: It gives everyone the information. And what you see, you

823
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Speaker 4: said something so profound, one step forward, two steps back.

824
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Speaker 4: Literally multiple people in the documentary talk about that being

825
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Speaker 4: the pattern of history, right?

826
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Speaker 5: That there's this.

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Speaker 4: Extraordinary progress and extraordinary pushback that is often violent physically,

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Speaker 4: but also definitely either morally violent, just oppressive tactics, that

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Speaker 4: should be expected. But instead of encountering it as if

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Speaker 4: it's the first time, right? What if there were safeguards?

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Speaker 4: What if there was a preparedness? For example, many of

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Speaker 4: us have felt this euphoric feeling around politics before with Obama, right?

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Speaker 5: Remember the night, you know, remember the feeling. Could this happen?

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Speaker 4: Like this is a second time in our lifetimes where this.

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Speaker 5: Feeling has happened.

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Speaker 4: There was no preparedness after Obama. We celebrated a little

837
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Speaker 4: too long in terms of understanding what the repercussions of

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Speaker 4: it would be. And we can't be caught flat footed again.

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Speaker 4: I think we need to, you know, shake hands and

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Speaker 4: high five and then immediately turn to strategic systemic change.

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Speaker 4: And before that.

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Speaker 5: Happens, we have to claw back all of the destruction

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Speaker 5: of the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: I mean, from USA ID to PBS.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: When you think of all of the people who've lost

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Speaker 4: their jobs, the decimation of food testing, I mean, it's

848
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Speaker 4: just been like someone, a bull ran through a china shop.

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Speaker 4: You got to pick all that stuff up and then

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Speaker 4: we've got to move forward. And that's a lot to

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Speaker 4: do and we better get to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, they really made a mess in ways.

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Speaker 1: And also a lot of Black women have lost jobs.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: 600,000.

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Speaker 1: And also jobs they've lost in the federal government that

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Speaker 1: were actually very important jobs.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could just talk for a minute

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Speaker 1: about what surprised you when you were working on this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it was.

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Speaker 4: Extraordinary being able to sit down with, you know, David

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Speaker 4: Blight and Eric Foner, the Pulitzer Prize winning historians, Sherilyn Ifill,

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Speaker 4: Angelani Cobb, you know, journalists, historians, lawyers, Republicans, Jeff Flake,

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Speaker 4: Anna Polina Luna. Democrats, AOC and and Jasmine Crockett, you know,

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Speaker 4: really being able to wrap our arms around that, as

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Speaker 4: well as, you know, podcasters.

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Speaker 5: And Twitch streamers.

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Speaker 4: Van Lathan, brilliant black man, the podcaster does incredible work.

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Speaker 4: Hassan Piker, Dean Withers, just all of the different voices

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Speaker 4: that have something to say in the moment as much

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Speaker 4: as possible. We did put out over 300 requests for Republicans.

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Speaker 4: Every sitting representative, senator, mayor, and governor who was Republican,

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Speaker 4: 316 requests. Four said yes, and those four are in

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Speaker 4: the documentary. So yeah, it's a sprawling look at what

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Speaker 4: it takes to create and uphold a multiracial democracy. And,

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Speaker 4: you know, really after this moment, 14th, I feel so

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Speaker 4: strongly is about what's next. It really is about what's

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Speaker 4: next from a place of sobriety, a place of clear-eyed focus,

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Speaker 4: which is what we'll need moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for making the time for me.

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Speaker 5: I'm a fan. I'm an admirer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so mutual. I know tomorrow is work, but

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Speaker 1: today is just exciting.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, today is exciting for sure.

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Speaker 4: Well, 14th is on Netflix on December 4th.

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Speaker 5: Yes. So in about a month, maybe a month of celebration.

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Speaker 5: Does that feel about right?

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Speaker 1: It was good.

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Speaker 4: We'll get you down to work after that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks.

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Speaker 5: Thanks a lot. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're the best.

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Speaker 5: Say my.

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Speaker 2: Name.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon. Bye, Jugfast.

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Speaker 2: So the Washington Post reviewed the DHS hack, and we

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Speaker 2: found out that trope that we see all the time.

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Speaker 2: We knew this was happening, but now we have the

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Speaker 2: evidence that who they are hiring for ICE is basically,

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Speaker 2: we don't care what is in your record. We don't

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Speaker 2: care how unqualified you are. Here's a gun and way

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Speaker 2: too much power.

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Speaker 1: Look, man, you hire ICE. You know, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of that amazing sketch from SNL with Tina

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Speaker 1: Fey and Amy Poehler. Are you a big, strong guy?

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Speaker 5: Remember that movie?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Are you big and strong, strong enough to join the police?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: Strong enough to join the fire department?

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: Well, strap on some Oakleys. You take drugs from the

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Speaker 1: gas station. Well, strap on some Oakleys and welcome to ICE. Look,

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Speaker 1: we are in a lot of trouble. We have like

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Speaker 1: some of the most unhinged, scariest people carrying guns and

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Speaker 1: working for ICE. And the fact that they haven't killed

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Speaker 1: huge swaths of the population is amazing. That's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and Saturday to hear the best minds in politics make

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Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast,

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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.