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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the the Should Have Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff live right here on giants dot Com. Inside Joe

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Speaker 1: Glance Meadow, John Schmolke with you to five one three

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Speaker 1: hashtag Giant Chat on Twitter will get to your tweets

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Speaker 1: over the course of the program. Obviously, this is getting

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Speaker 1: to the slow period of the NFL, folks. All the

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Speaker 1: which seems to get shorter every year. I know it doesn't,

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Speaker 1: camp where guys now have some time off and you

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Speaker 1: hope everyone comes back in shape, no one gets into trouble,

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Speaker 1: and then you get going in training camp and that

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Speaker 1: other teams. That's common around this time of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's also common for players to work out with some

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Speaker 1: of their specialty coaches, their trainers, their positional coaches who

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Speaker 1: they know throughout the course of their career, or is

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody really picks a different game plan. But

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Speaker 1: you know, as you just mentioned, from a coaching perspective,

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer's message is the same as every other coach,

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be one hundred percent all in football.

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Speaker 1: You want to be able to spend time with family

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Speaker 1: And then there's of course the off the field situations

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Speaker 1: In March, April, you of the draft schedule, release May,

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Speaker 1: Their solid team and I'm I've been optimistic on this

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Speaker 1: I think Ronald Jones is gonna have a big second year.

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Speaker 1: those are the three runaway teams. After that, you were

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks of plus eighty one, and then it's a

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Speaker 1: mess Cowboys plus fifteen, Eagles plus nineteen, so much smaller disparity.

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Speaker 1: Vikings plus nine teams, Falcons just minus nine, Panthers just

433
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Speaker 1: minus six, and frankly, Packers are just minus twenty four.

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Speaker 1: So you have teams they're all within thirty points differential

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Speaker 1: of each other, and that can swing either way. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, the Giants at five and eleven, we're

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Speaker 1: just in minus forty three. The Redskins at seven and

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Speaker 1: nine were minus seventy eight. Okay, so the Giants, I

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Speaker 1: think actually their record is probably a little bit worse

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Speaker 1: than what it should have been sased on their point differential.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a real interesting look with the

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Speaker 1: point differential, how close a lot of those second tier

443
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Speaker 1: NFC teams aren't. How really hard that battle is going

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Speaker 1: to be for that second wild card spot lands. I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna take ten, and last year it took ten.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks and the Cowboys were both ten and six.

447
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Speaker 1: Last I take it back, the Cowboys one of the

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Speaker 1: division attend and six. The Eagles were nine and seven.

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Speaker 1: They got in as the second wild card team and

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Speaker 1: they were the only nine and seven team didn't even

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Speaker 1: have to win a tiebreaker to get in. So I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna probably have to win maybe ten, but

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Speaker 1: a minimum of nine if you want to get into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs in the NFC. To me, I think that's

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Speaker 1: a no brainer. And the reason why I think the

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Speaker 1: Eagles got in it nine is because a lot of

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Speaker 1: the teams we were talking about John, the Falcons, the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: just injuries were too much. For example Carolina, remember Cam

459
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Speaker 1: gets hurt, they shut him down late last season, so

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Speaker 1: the Panthers fell off and the Vikings were neck and

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Speaker 1: neck with the Eagles that final. We remember they had

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Speaker 1: an opportunity, but you know, they also lost some close

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Speaker 1: games and they had some injuries. I don't think their

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Speaker 1: defense was as impressive as it had been in previous years.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and the Vikings offense was a bit of

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Speaker 1: a disappointment. They didn't run the ball effectively. So Minnesota

467
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Speaker 1: is a candidate for the offense to improve, maybe the

468
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Speaker 1: defense gets back to even play. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think there's still a lot of questions looming. And you

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Speaker 1: brought up the point differential. Remember the Giants had the

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Speaker 1: most points in the NFC East and then gave up

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Speaker 1: the most points. So that's another reason why you know

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Speaker 1: they were a tough team to get a good read on.

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Speaker 1: How do those numbers balance out this season. I think

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Speaker 1: it's something to watch and that's dependent on, of course,

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Speaker 1: how the Giants defense performs. But the one thing that

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Speaker 1: I think we could take away from this conversation, the

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Speaker 1: NFC has a lot of depth. The NFC is going

479
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Speaker 1: to be a gauntlet. It's never easy. This NFC East

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Speaker 1: division is a flip of the coin type of mentality.

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Speaker 1: I say this that all the time, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's relevant. Again, nobody's won back to back division titles

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Speaker 1: since the Eagles won four in a row in the

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Speaker 1: early two thousand, So the Cowboys are nowhere near a

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Speaker 1: lock to win this division again this season. The last

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Speaker 1: four though, I've been split between Dallas and Philly. Right

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Speaker 1: is that accurate? Am I wrong about that? Well? I

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Speaker 1: know Dallas has won three of the last five that

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Speaker 1: I know. So did Philly win because Washington won in

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Speaker 1: fifteen that was their last division Okay, so I guess

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Speaker 1: there it goes. Okay, I guess not then? Okay, real quick,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do the f C. I'll say

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Speaker 1: that maybe a few want fegles tomorrow. If you guys

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Speaker 1: want to start with the FC, because we're already at

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes, I want to make sure we get to

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Speaker 1: your calls. You know, the Panthers, despite all their issues

497
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Speaker 1: last year, were still seven to nine, and the Falcons

498
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Speaker 1: are still seven to nine despite all their injuries. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's telling. I really do. And I've always

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Speaker 1: been a big Mike Zimmer guys, So I think the

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Speaker 1: Vikings are going to make a run this year. But

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Speaker 1: here's my question for you, and I'll in on this.

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Speaker 1: If you if I made you choose a team to

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Speaker 1: have the worst record in the NFC, what team would

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Speaker 1: you choose? I probably lean towards the Arizona Cardinals. I

506
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Speaker 1: mean that would be the team that would lead towards

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Speaker 1: the only thing though, I will say about Arizona's I

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Speaker 1: could see Kingsbury system maybe throwing a curveball the way

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Speaker 1: of a number of opponents, especially guard, and maybe they

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Speaker 1: get you know, six wins, and they surprise some people.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they're gonna be a playoff team, but

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Speaker 1: I think they can win some close games because teams

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Speaker 1: just don't know what to anticipate from Kyler Murray. So

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Speaker 1: if we were to factor that in and eliminate the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals from the conversation, then I know who I would

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Speaker 1: go with, and I think it'll be a popular choice. See,

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Speaker 1: I would never pick Seattle. I know that people would

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Speaker 1: be disrespected Pete Carroll and I do think the Niners

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Speaker 1: with Jimmy g are going to make some noise. I

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Speaker 1: think they'll score enough points where they're not going to

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Speaker 1: be that far down. And Carolina. Here's the thing with Carolina,

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Speaker 1: even if you want to bring up Cams question marks,

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Speaker 1: I think Caroline has got a really good defense. So

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Speaker 1: I think Carolina can make up for what they lack

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Speaker 1: on offense with their defense. Don't sleep on the Carolina defense.

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Speaker 1: They got some playmakers. Cam's not out there though they're

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Speaker 1: a candidate. They're candidates well, and I get that. But

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Speaker 1: good defenses can win close games. So I would go Washington. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Washington was was a team that I was going to

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Speaker 1: throw out there. But the thing with the Redskins is

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Speaker 1: I'm not a believer that Haskins is a lock to

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Speaker 1: win that job. And it's a wide open competition, I

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Speaker 1: don't think. I think Gruden is leaning towards going with

534
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Speaker 1: the veteran early, and I think that's fine. Here's my problem, Lens,

535
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Speaker 1: and this is a legitimate problem, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: how they get around it. Who the whoever plays quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Who the heck is getting open? That's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: I mean Jordan retarded all the time, he did hold

539
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Speaker 1: up last year, Paul Richardson who was also banged up

540
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Speaker 1: by the way, Josh Dockson who can't catch. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those are their top two receivers. It's a real problem.

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Speaker 1: I mean with Terry McLaurin, I mean, you know me,

543
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Speaker 1: he was my sleeper in the draft. I love Torry

544
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Speaker 1: McLaren but he's a rookie receiver, no sample size. And look,

545
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Speaker 1: they have a good offensive line, their defense is pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But that we'll see what happens with Trent Williams and

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Speaker 1: left tackle. Oh that's right, he says he might not

548
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: want to go back his issues with their medical staff, right,

549
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Speaker 1: So you know, I just don't know how they're gonna

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Speaker 1: move the I know Darius Guys's back, They'll try to

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Speaker 1: run the Yeah, I get all. He ran the ball

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Speaker 1: very well last year. I know, Chris Thompson, if I

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Speaker 1: if you made me pick a team, Washington makes sense

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Speaker 1: based on everything you said. I mean, Washington probably along

555
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Speaker 1: with Arizona, the most logical ones, just based on talent

556
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Speaker 1: and question bar and obviously we we can't predict injuries.

557
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll be like we team that gets hammered

558
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Speaker 1: and there's no way for us to predict. Yeah, and

559
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: there is a team right now that's gonna be banged up,

560
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: that has a lot of hype and we just don't know.

561
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Speaker 1: And not that we wish that upon anybody, but that's

562
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Speaker 1: the nature of the beast. For example, Atlantic to me

563
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Speaker 1: was the top candidate last year. Who would have thought that?

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Speaker 1: And they mete went down. If you go back, the

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00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Falcons opened up against the Eagles if memory serves me

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Speaker 1: correct last season and the Falcons players were dropping like

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Speaker 1: flies in the secondary. So you know, who would have

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Speaker 1: thought that that would have happened. The key for Washington

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Speaker 1: this season John is going to be not the quarterback

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Speaker 1: play and not the receiver. See I would argue the

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Speaker 1: key for Washington is can they run the ball consistently

572
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Speaker 1: and effectively? Because if you go back to last season,

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Speaker 1: Washington kept its head above water because of what Adrian

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Speaker 1: Peterson did. And this was the magical number. When Ap

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Speaker 1: got to seventy rushing yards himself, not the team him,

576
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Speaker 1: it indicated a win. When he got less than that,

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Speaker 1: it was the complete opposite direction. So they went as

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Speaker 1: far as Ap took them on the ground. And remember

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith got hurt, so they weren't fully healthy at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Once Alex Smith got hurt, though, they fell off a clip.

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Speaker 1: They did because when they couldn't run the football effectively.

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Speaker 1: To your point, they also had nobody to throw to you.

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Speaker 1: But here's my point. He couldn't run the ball because

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Speaker 1: nobody respected the quarterback play. But I think that Case

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00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: Keenum should earn more respect than anybody they threw in

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Speaker 1: john In fairness, Cole mcoy played with a half before

587
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: he got hurt. Last year, Ian McCoy was barely out.

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00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: That's fine, Mark Sanchez Johnson, nobody's putting Case Keenum in

589
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but it should not be dismissed

590
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: what Case Keenum did in Minnesota and what Case Keenum

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00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: has done in the past. He's a more than serviceable quarterback.

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00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: Is he depended on the talent around him. Absolutely, But

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Speaker 1: if that offensive line plays well, they run the football well,

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00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: caen Um to me, is more than capable of making plays.

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00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing with Washington, which probably nobody's

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00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: talking about much. They are a quiet defense. What I

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00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: mean by that the Redskins have some big boys up front, John,

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00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: if they can make some noise, Washington can keep themselves

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00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: in games because of their defense. That's the one thing

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Speaker 1: that has to be talked about in the NFL compared

601
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: to the NBA and hockey and every other sport. In

602
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: the NFL, another facet can make up for your shortcomings elsewhere,

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00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: because those guys don't play both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: To one, nine, four or five on three, give us

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Speaker 1: your opinion on the conference, potential playoffs, the division and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. To five on three hashtag giants chat.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to our phones at two, one four, five

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Speaker 1: one three. Oh. By the way, day we go to

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Speaker 1: a job. Last seven NFC East titles three for Dallas,

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Speaker 1: two for the Eagles, and two for the Redskins, going

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Speaker 1: from two thousand and twelve to two thousand and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: because two thousand fifteen was the last Redskins one and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys have won three of the last five. Correct,

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Speaker 1: and the Eagles were seventeen and thirteen, the Redskins were

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Speaker 1: fifteen and twelve. The Cowboys were eighteen, sixteen and fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So someone's up this year. Don't put on Dallas if

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Speaker 1: you're going to Vegas, folks, two, one, four, five on three?

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Speaker 1: Has the drought eventually has stand? Though? Your figure? Well,

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Speaker 1: who knows? I does it? All droughts, though, are maintain.

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Speaker 1: It's just is this gonna be the year? Is it

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Speaker 1: gonna take us another ten years? Let's go to Joe

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Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania. Jolilos off today, Joe, what's going on? Palm going? Good?

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Speaker 1: Guys there? I just want to cut you mentioned Washington.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget they're tight end. He always comes in with

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Speaker 1: some big catches there. John mentioned Jordan read there. He

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Speaker 1: just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Correct, that's the problem. Yeah,

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00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: that's right, right? But he you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's he'sayker, no no doubt about it, Joe, right, And

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Speaker 1: I agree with all what you said there or who's

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Speaker 1: who's in the running there? And that the only thing

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Speaker 1: I have a question there. I see what with Daniel

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00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: Jones there and I know he uh uh threw the

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Speaker 1: ball on the run a lot. You see any uh

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Speaker 1: scenario there where or Sherman would put him in in

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Speaker 1: short yardage or in the red zone there, you know,

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Speaker 1: to either run or throw the balls somehow they're a

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Speaker 1: package for him. Possibly, would you do it? Or do

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00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: you think he so you're you're asking, is Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: going to be the Giants version of some Hill from

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Speaker 1: New Orleans? Is that what you're insinuating, Joe, where they

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Speaker 1: bring in a backup quarterback and they haven't run a

642
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Speaker 1: few plays? Well, well that I just you know what

643
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean with him rolling out or either the run

644
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: or throw the ball there where the defense just can't

645
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: get in on our running game there and box it

646
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: in and it does open it up a little more

647
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: and it's something a little more they have to prepare for.

648
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's the truth. You know what I would

649
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: think would be more likely, John, And I'm curious your thoughts.

650
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: I could see Pat Shermer being creative and using Golden

651
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: Tate who has the capabilities of throwing the football and

652
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: using personnel at other positions if they want to catch

653
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: defenses off God, more so than bringing in Daniel Jones

654
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: in any capacity. Yeah, someone I forget. I was listening

655
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: to someone that wanted the draft Daniel Jones and use

656
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: them as a tight end. There's something so I don't know,

657
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: or bring him in with Manning or something like that

658
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: to mix it up a little bit it but uh,

659
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: I was just running in short yardage like that. We're

660
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: him in Barkley, you know what I mean. They can

661
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: go inside, outside, or he could throw the ball. But

662
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I mean, Joe, when you got a

663
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: guy like Kwan Barkley on your team, do you really

664
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: need to get creative? I mean, isn't he more than

665
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: capable of picking up the one or two yards that

666
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: you need because of his ability to make people miss?

667
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: I agree, But I mean he's a running a little

668
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: running quarterbacks adds to it and opens it up in

669
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: a tight box and on the defense there I think,

670
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: and in short yardage and stuff like that, and he's

671
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: good and throwing the ball short to you know, bring

672
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: the light back in there. It's something I could see

673
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: if he's going good to me, Joe, do me a

674
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: favor when you win next time. Paul Detino's on I

675
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: want you to call I don't want to get no,

676
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want that's what I want. I

677
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: want you to get paul A Riant you to do

678
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: that job. He's a good but I want to put

679
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: it something you think or no, no, I think you

680
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: think it a little bit out of the box. That's

681
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: one other thing too, That's what the end of the

682
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: June's four, by the way, to think out of the

683
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: box because there's nothing else to do. You can dig deep,

684
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: get creative. One other thing to note, not saying that

685
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: he's a lot to make the team, they do have

686
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: a guy like Eric Dungey on the roster. If he

687
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: somehow makes the roster, you know, I think you'd utilize

688
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: a guy like that Joe under those circumstances. So keep

689
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: that in mind because he's somebody that they're getting reps

690
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: in at tight end. So all of that I think

691
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: is part of the conversation, part of what they'll experiment

692
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: with during the course of training camp. The other thing

693
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: that is also important to think about. Taysom Hill has

694
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: the physique, the body build of a guy that can

695
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: take the brunt of hits. You know, can run as

696
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: a wide receiver can be utilized as a running back.

697
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: I just I personally don't envision Daniel Jones is being

698
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: that type of guy. That doesn't mean that I don't

699
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: think he has athleticism, that doesn't mean that I don't

700
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: think he has versatility. But I think when they drafted

701
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones number six overall, I don't think Pat Sherman

702
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: and the Giants coaching staff is saying to himself, let's

703
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: try to expose him to a few hits where he

704
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: could all of a sudden injure himself and then we're

705
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: now putting our backup quarterback in jeopardy. I just don't

706
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: see them wanting to do that. Remember New Orleans had

707
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater on the roster. They can afford to put

708
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill into those scenarios. And if the Giants kept

709
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Deeric Dungee, they can afford to put him in those scenarios.

710
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not one. Remember you could throw this back

711
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: and me I always say, I don't like holding a

712
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: special teams player back from returning simply because he's a

713
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But that's a different thing than now throwing

714
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback who you use the high pick on

715
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: just to get creative. I just think they have too

716
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: much talent on this team to focus so much on

717
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones in those situations. I agree. I don't leave

718
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: it at that. There we go. You know, Dungee is

719
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: some many people talked about through the kild Syracuse, but

720
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: he's been hurt so we haven't seen any of that.

721
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, and look, I don't think I will make

722
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: a bold prediction. It's my bold prediction. Maybe it's not

723
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: that bold, but I'll make it anyway. Going out on

724
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: a limb. You will not see Eli Manning and Daniel

725
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Jones on the field at the same time this year.

726
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: You mean Eli won't line up like Joe Flacco is

727
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: a wide receiver out wine, Is that what you're telling me?

728
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: But if he did, he'd show much more enthusiasm than

729
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco did when he lined up in wide receiver. Now,

730
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: that's always one of my favorite things to watch, when

731
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: it's like Drew Brees out there or Flacco out there,

732
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: and you got Hillard and George Jackson there but under center,

733
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: and they're just like, I could not have less interest

734
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: than even making believe I'm gonna do anything out here

735
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: other than stand up and watch, because that's all they

736
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: do well. And that's why I think you have to

737
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: question are you even being effective John in putting another

738
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: quarterback in that scenario? Because are you really fooling the defense?

739
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: Do they truly think that Joe Flacco is gonna run aroute?

740
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Do they truly think Eli Manning's gonna run aroute? And

741
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: they're even gonna take a chance of throwing him the

742
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: football up the left sideline of the right sideline. Tell

743
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: that to Tom Brady. Well, yeah, you told me about

744
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: the play Nick Foles. I'm sorry, and I get that.

745
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I get that, but that was also a big pair

746
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: of brass, you know what for Doug Peterson to call

747
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: that play. Okay, and and then the Patriots you are

748
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: wrong because remember they ran a similar play where Brady

749
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: ran out and went right, so you know it's a

750
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: copycat league. I get that, but I don't remember the

751
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: Saints and how many times was Taysom Hill brought in?

752
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: And it, you know what ticked me off from a

753
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: fantasy perspective, I had to get that out. Okay, all right,

754
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: but how many times did they actually throw the ball

755
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: to Drew Bree looking it up right now and Drew Brees,

756
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, I watched a lot of

757
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: Saints games last year. I don't remember Drew ever being

758
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: targeted as a wide receiver. Maybe on a flea flicker,

759
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: but that doesn't count rushing and receiving. Last year, Drew

760
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Brees had one catch for one yard. I'd love to

761
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: know if that was off a deflection. Part of me

762
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: feels it deflection, you know what, where he throws the

763
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: pass gets knocked back, and I don't think he was

764
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: an intended receiver on the play. You might be right.

765
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: I want to say it was a deflection and he

766
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: caught it in you know what. As a proud fantasy

767
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: owner of Drew Brees, I believe there was a situation

768
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: where he was catching a deflection and you got one

769
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: point for that. I believe I did. Yes, I want

770
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna bank on the fact that I'm right

771
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: about it was a deflection. I feel very good about

772
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: that being the case. Somebody wants to waste some of

773
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: their ample time during the course of the off season,

774
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: look that up. I want to go back and see

775
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: how Drew Brees quota pass for twenty one yards and

776
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and three for the Chargers and then in

777
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and four quarter past for thirty eight yards

778
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: for the Chargers. I want to book at those plenty.

779
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that play. My guess is, if

780
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: memory starts to be correct, they didn't shy away from

781
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: LT throwing the ball here, and you think it was

782
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: one of those want they may have been one of

783
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: the LaDainian Tomlins in trickery plays and that was before

784
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: he heard a show. Yes, yeah, you know, people don't

785
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: talk about that enough. And I know we'll get to

786
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: your palls in a second. I want to get to

787
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: one tweet as well. Um boy, the Dolphins choosing Dante

788
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Colepepper over Drew Brees. That's gonna go down as one

789
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: of the biggest pivot points in NFL history. Let's be honest. Well,

790
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: you're talking about the year that Breeze was a free agent, right,

791
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: and there was some chatter brought him in they felt

792
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: him on the physical Yeah, well that was the concern,

793
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: the shoulder injury. I mean, just like the Chargers were concerned,

794
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: which is why they felt good about moving in the

795
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: direction of Philip Rivers because they were nervous about giving

796
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: him a contract, but there was talk about the Chargers

797
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: would re up Drew Brees and still keep Philip Rivers

798
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: on the bench, and yeah, how things would have turned

799
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: out differently with Miami if or also to think about that,

800
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: imagine Saban and Breeze versus Belichick and Brady for ten

801
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: years in the a f C East. Well, you know

802
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: what this conversation reminds me of. I had a conversation

803
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: on My Serious Show with Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron's remember

804
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: took over for Nick Saban. So Cam was the offensive

805
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Chargers. He worked with Breeze and Philip Rivers.

806
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: And I asked him, it's funny, brothers up. I asked him.

807
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I said, you know, wouldn't it have been funny you

808
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: went to Miami. You would have been reunited with Drew Brees.

809
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: His response was, well, you know what, Nick Saban probably

810
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: still has a job and I don't take over at Miami.

811
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's a fair point, all of

812
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: these domino effects that you're bringing up, John, Yeah, the

813
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: could have would have should a game, but I think

814
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: the outlook of coaches and players would have been a

815
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: lot different. The history of the NFL if some decisions

816
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: like that would have been made Drew Brees over Dante

817
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: Cole Pepper Lennon Columbia, Maryland's up next day, Len, Hey, guys,

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00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: how you doing doing great? Good? Good? Hey, John, You've

819
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: got you gotta be careful of your prediction about whether

820
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: we'll see Jones on the field with Eli. Uh. You

821
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: probably said the same thing. You probably could have said

822
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: the same thing last year about the chances of getting

823
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: Loletta on the field with Eli. And of course we

824
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: did see one play in Game six theme where where

825
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Kletto was flanked out as a wide receiver. So you know,

826
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: you know what when I didn't even remember that happened.

827
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I did not remember that.

828
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: That's a good call. Yeah yeah, talk about empty in

829
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: the playbook in the last game of the year. It

830
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: was almost like, I guess that's what happened to the

831
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: something to fall out and there's a play. I think

832
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: it was very early in the game, may have been

833
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: the first series of the game where we had led

834
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: a flank out there to the left. I think it

835
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: was actually to the left. But you know, anyway, Um, John,

836
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: I listened to you yesterday's show, and I was somewhat surprised.

837
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: You got You and Paul both both sounded a bit

838
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: muted regarding where we're going next year. I I know,

839
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna say we're going to the

840
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: super Bowl. But the best Paul could do would say

841
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: he thought, I think you'll remember this. Paul said he

842
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: thought we could, you know, play a meaningful game in December,

843
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: but I wasn't sure you could actually get to that

844
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: point listening to you yesterday. Look, I think I think

845
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: I would consider this a successful season if you get

846
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: to better and you're playing meaningful games in December, and

847
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance the team can do that. Yeah, yeah,

848
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: well let's let's hope. I'd like to be surprised and

849
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: see us see us in that kind And by the way,

850
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: real quick, real quick, the team can do better than

851
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: that too. If this young secondary plays well, and the

852
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: and the young pass rushers develop, you're very realistic to

853
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: make a run at the division or make a run

854
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: at the wild card. That is a realistic thing if

855
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: those two things happen. I'm just trying to make your

856
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: expectations don't get out of control. So I don't get

857
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of angry people calling you for three months

858
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: after pumping them up with expectations over the summer. And

859
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's the right time year to

860
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: be saying those things. If this, if that, and I'm

861
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm right with you, guys. I'm right with you guys

862
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: on that. You know you're absolutely sure? Lance, What what

863
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: do you? What do you what do you think? I

864
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: mean if you went what what do you see in

865
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: this roster? I know we don't have to pick a number,

866
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: we don't need to pick a number of wins, but

867
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: what what's your You know, it's a good time to

868
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: kind of talk about this. I think, what what do you?

869
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Well? I've said this

870
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: all offseason. This team comes down to its defense. What

871
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: does the defense do? Does the defense exceed expectations, then

872
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: I think the Giants exceed expectations. Does the defense make

873
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: strides from last season, then I think the team makes strides.

874
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: It all dependent on the defense. I'm not overly concerned

875
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: about the offense. I think the offense should be able

876
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: to put points on the board consistently. You know, nobody's

877
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: saying that they're gonna light up the scoreboard every game.

878
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: But what we saw the final four games I don't

879
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: think was flukey. I think from a schematic standpoint, it's

880
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: what's the Giants are hoping for. And with an improved

881
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: offensive line, hopefully the production increases with it. But you know,

882
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: to ask me what I think this defense is gonna produce?

883
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: As John mentioned, with a young secondary, expect to have

884
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: WOUM games I think out of some of these guys.

885
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: And then I think there's gonna be games where the

886
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: polished wide receivers are gonna take them for a ride.

887
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Just be expecting that. And I think James Betcher is

888
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinate. Even the positional coaches need to go

889
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: into the season understanding that. And then the pass rush.

890
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, how much does Marcus Golden give you? Now

891
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: that he's removed from the torn A c L very

892
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: important player, lorenz o'carter is just as an important player. Okay,

893
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: what does he do? And then as far as the

894
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: front group, I think that they got a lot of

895
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: big boys, but a lot of these big boys don't

896
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: necessarily jump out at us sack guys. So are you

897
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: gonna get you know, three or four out of each

898
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: one of them. Hey, that's how all of a sudden

899
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: your production goes up. And are they gonna be able

900
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: to get off the field on third down? Which has

901
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: been an achilles heel for this defense no matter who

902
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: the coordinator is. So you know, I just threw out

903
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks. But you know what, I'm

904
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: surprised you didn't bring up line. Here's what the season

905
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: comes down to, and you know, maybe we'll take another

906
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: show on. I'll give you the laundry list. When is

907
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: the last time that the Giants had a divisional record?

908
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean against their division where they got to four

909
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: and two. Because it's real simple, you want to have

910
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: a taste of the playoffs, you've got to get into

911
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: that four and to category against the division. We'll know

912
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: we have six being I think they went for and

913
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: to the year they make so but that that's the

914
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: one exception, even compared to the fifteen, the four teens,

915
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: and the thirties in the world. So the point is,

916
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: as much as we want to focus on defense offense,

917
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: it's all gonna come down to how do they perform

918
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: within the division and if they're gonna go to two

919
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: and four, three and three territory. Then that's also going

920
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: to put them in a very precarious situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

921
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: Last you know that the division record, I mean, if

922
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: you look at it, John ran some numbers by us

923
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: about who ranted, you know, who won the division just

924
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: before he took the call from Joe in Pennsylvania. You know,

925
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: he ran those numbers by us, and my stomach turn cheez.

926
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: It's been such a long time since we've won the division.

927
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: It's just just absolutely I think let me, let me

928
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: give you, you know, a little my opinion without throwing

929
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: out a number of wins. You know, I think if if, if,

930
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: if we get a fair shake with injuries and inequality

931
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: of injuries, and what I mean by that is, you know,

932
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: we don't get wiped out a tight end play in

933
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: our fifth string tight end in games fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen,

934
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: if there'sn't a quality of injuries, and we can get

935
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: a break with our our best twenty five to eight

936
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: players and that may not necessarily be all starters, but

937
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: eight players. If if we don't get you know, major injuries,

938
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: season ending injuried. Of course, every team can say the

939
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: same thing I'm saying now. But I think we can

940
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: compete pretty well. And I would John, I would agree

941
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: with you and with Paul from Yes to say that

942
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, we we can get to December with a look.

943
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: If things break right, we may have a better chance

944
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: of making the playoffs by winning division. Then we would

945
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: making it as a wild card. You know, something crazy

946
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: happens and we wind up winning nine and somehow with

947
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: the tiebreakers, we winded it. You know, we win the division,

948
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: but you know, you look at Rosenthal's list and you

949
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: look at the NFC. Holy cow, it seems like every

950
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: team has a shot at wild card. I don't know

951
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: how we make the wild card. Maybe we can sneak

952
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: in as a division winner. Hey, l let me ask

953
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: you a quick question. You're you're better with the numbers

954
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: than I am. Um, somehow I can't find this number,

955
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: and it's probably my lack of technological expertise, But um,

956
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: what percentage? If I throw out a question, you don't

957
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: have to rush and try to answer this today. But

958
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: you know what what percentage of plays did Peppers play

959
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: on defense last year? You know the standard first three downs?

960
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: How do I find that number? So you're talking about

961
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: really his defensive snaps then, So I mean I could

962
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: easily I could easily bring that up. That's not problem.

963
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: I'll bring up the Cleveland brown snap you can bring

964
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: a number of snaps. He's looking for a percentage. I think, well,

965
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: we then have to look up there's total snaps and everything,

966
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: but we can at least get an idea of how

967
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: many snaps he was on the field for. I mean,

968
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: that's that's not necessarily a problem to find here. I'm

969
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: gonna bring up last season's numbers and then you know,

970
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: we can get an idea in terms of the snap count,

971
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: because Peppers has been asked about this while I look

972
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: up the numbers land and you know, he even pointed

973
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: to that he wasn't pleased with his utilization for the

974
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns defense last year. He feels that he could

975
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: have produced more had he been given more opportunities. So

976
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you know, I heard that quote, and

977
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: maybe that's what's led me to ask this. You know,

978
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: it may have been yeah, go ahead, I'm listening. I

979
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: thought you had more to add to that. Maybe that's

980
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: what led I think I heard him say that or

981
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: read that he had said that. I got it right here.

982
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: He wished he'd been on the field a little more

983
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: than I got it right here. Defensive snaps last year,

984
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: jabro Peppers had seven hundred and sixties six. Okay, if

985
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: you look at some of the other guys, just for

986
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: an example, Miles Garrett had a thousand and twelve. Damarius Randall,

987
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: the safety had a thousand eighty two. So so let's

988
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: say let's max it out at like eleven hundred, just

989
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: to give just just an example. You're looking, that's probably

990
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: around seventy percent of the snaps, give or take, is

991
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: is what he played on defense? Yeah, I've got what

992
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: what was that all about, Greg Williams, Yeah, well, well

993
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: it's not I would have thought it. I thought I

994
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: would have thought, um, he would be on the field more.

995
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Maybe it was because of his special team's use and

996
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: they took him out on a on a first down

997
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: play after a punt or a kick off or something. Well,

998
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: it looks like to me at the number, it looks

999
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: like to me that it wasn't even based on a

1000
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: run pass because if you compare his numbers to Randall, um,

1001
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: let's see he had about a hundred and eighteen fewer

1002
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: rush snaps, which was about of the snaps taken um

1003
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: rush plays and coverage wise, he had two hundred and

1004
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: fifty or so fewer, which is about looks like they

1005
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: gave him more of a break on coverage than they

1006
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: did on rushdowns. But it's surprisingly enough, he actually graded

1007
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: out better as a coverage player that he did as

1008
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: a as a rush player too. But he also he

1009
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: also rushed the path. Here's the different thing too. I

1010
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: just noticed this. He also rushed the passers sixty nine times,

1011
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: so those are passing downs. So you add that to

1012
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: you add that to the coverage grade, and all of

1013
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, it was almost balanced in terms

1014
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: of how many rush plays in past plays he sat

1015
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: on the bench. So I don't know what Greg Williams

1016
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: was thinking. I don't think I want to know what

1017
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: Greg Williams was thinking. But yeah, it's weird. Yeah that's

1018
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. But what pique my curiosity is reading

1019
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: again that he had said he wished he'd been on

1020
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: the field a little more. Here's my one major concern

1021
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: that real quickly, Thanks thanks for keeping me on so long. Um,

1022
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: I hope we don't get into you know, game five

1023
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: or game six and we start saying to each other.

1024
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, the pass rush just isn't coming together. We

1025
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: just don't know. I mean, on paper, that stresh look

1026
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: scary bad. I mean, somebody is just gonna have to sprise.

1027
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Golden, either Golden, Carter or Ziminez are

1028
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: gonna have to make big improvements from their production from

1029
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: either the college in zim And as this case, or

1030
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: for Golden and Carter their production last year. Man, that's it.

1031
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: I want to be surprised so bad about that dance rushing.

1032
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't see it. Thank you appreciated.

1033
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: It's a huge X factor. And by the way, I

1034
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: think we're gonna know early kind of how this season

1035
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: is going to go. The first four games. You're at

1036
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: Dallas home versus Buffalo, at Tampa home versus Washington. Okay,

1037
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: you have to be minimum two and two after those

1038
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: first four games because off that your home verst the Vikings,

1039
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: and you're at in New England on a short week

1040
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: on a Thursday, and you don't want to be starting

1041
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: the season you know, one in five or two and four. Okay,

1042
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: so you better go minimum two and two in those

1043
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: fours four first four games. But three and one would

1044
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: be preferable. Well, and then also remember two of those

1045
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: games are within the division, so you know, if you

1046
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: lose both of those games, regardless of what your record is.

1047
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: John though, then we get into the divisional record issue,

1048
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: which puts even more pressure on you in the second

1049
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: half of the season to win those divisional games, which

1050
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: goes without saying, but you know, if you at least

1051
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: balance out the record over the course of the season,

1052
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: that's gonna help it. And here's the other thing Lenn

1053
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: was bringing up about. You know, well, you know, how

1054
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: do you go about winning the division or how do

1055
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: you go about getting a wild card? The Giants are

1056
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: playing the NFC North this year. Now, we just went

1057
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: over NFL dot COM's article by Greg Rosenthal. He has

1058
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: the NFC North is the best division in all of football.

1059
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: Now the bright side, he has the a f C

1060
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: East as the worst, and the Giants also played them. Yeah,

1061
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: but I think everybody always picks the a f C

1062
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: East is the worst because nobody thinks anybody's gonna push

1063
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: New England. But they've got a division where you've got

1064
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: a lot of young quarterbacks, some guys who had some

1065
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: promising rookie years. You've got Brian Flores, who's the new

1066
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: coach for the Dolphins. He's a defensive minded guy. He's

1067
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: looking to improve that unit. So you know, there's a

1068
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: lot of new faces within that division. The Jets with

1069
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: Adam Ace, some of the free agents they brought in.

1070
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: This may not be the same old AFC East. I

1071
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: guess it's my point. I'm not saying somebody's gonna knock

1072
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: off New England, but let's not make it sound as

1073
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: if it's a continuation of what we've seen in the

1074
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: last few seasons with all the other trademark of the

1075
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: f C East. Has been a lot of changes to

1076
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: head coaching, the general letnergership, so maybe this is more

1077
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: the same Antonio Manhanttan's next, Antonio? What's going on? Pal? Hey?

1078
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys? I want to stick to the

1079
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: conversation about the defense, and my worry is specifically on

1080
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: opposing teams playing against US. I mean, we have all

1081
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: these we have a nice death in um in cornerbacks

1082
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: and defensive facts, but why don't want Why wouldn't just

1083
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: other teams just play us in twenty one personnel or

1084
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: twenty two personnel and eliminate those defensive backs. Do you

1085
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: think would that be a problem for us, like, you know,

1086
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: especially at division upon its I know Cowboys are probably

1087
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: gonna go you know heavy, what about like the Redkins

1088
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: and and the Eagles and now? And I'll take the call,

1089
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: but I'll listen off to think, thank you, Antonio. Well,

1090
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know fight necessarily agree that teams are gonna

1091
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: go heavy personnel and just pound the ball against the

1092
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: defensive front that as Tomlinson, Lawrence and Tail. I think

1093
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: you're almost playing to the Giants strength that way. To

1094
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Um yeah, do you want to

1095
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: try to get Giants linebackers on the field? Maybe because

1096
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: they're not the best in coverage? Maybe I could see that.

1097
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: But look, when when you're throwing a bunch of cornerbacks

1098
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: of that experience out there, team is gonna try to

1099
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: target these guys until they show that they can stop them,

1100
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: which who knows, maybe they'll do that early and they're

1101
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: not gonna target them. I don't know that. But when

1102
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: you see a bunch of guys that a lot of

1103
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: experience out there, guess what bulls eyes get put out

1104
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: there on game plan? So I think teams are gonna

1105
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: try to spread the Giants out and throw on them

1106
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: pretty early. But that that would if that was an

1107
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: offensive cordin or that's what I would try to do.

1108
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: And you make them prove that they can do and

1109
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: if they do, great, If they don't, we'll see what happens. Well,

1110
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: I would agree with you, we're getting a little bit

1111
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves. But let's look at Week one against

1112
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, at least play the paper game, John.

1113
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: They brought in Randall Cobb this offseason, veteran wide receiver

1114
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: from the Packers. They have a Marii Cooper. You're gonna

1115
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: tell me. Kellen Moore, their new offensive coordinator former quarterback,

1116
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: is not saying to himself, let's see what these young

1117
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: rookies and the giant secondary opposite Genora's Jenkins can do.

1118
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: And then also Jason Witins back in the fold two,

1119
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: by the way, and Michael Gallops back correct who had

1120
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: a really nice second half of the season once a

1121
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Marii Cooper came over. So yeah, if I'm Dallas, based

1122
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: on the last caller's question, I know you have Zeke

1123
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: and you've got a good offensive line, and nobody's saying

1124
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: that they're gonna forced Dak Prescott to throw the ball

1125
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: forty five times in that game. But I I do

1126
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: think if you're the Cowboys, I'd want to take my chances.

1127
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: I'd want to see what Sam Bill can do. I

1128
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: want to see what DeAndre Baker could do. And you

1129
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: know what, if those guys hold up, then that's great

1130
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: news for the Giants. But if I'm the Cowboys, I'm

1131
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: going in saying they got barely an experience in an

1132
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: NFL situation. Let's test them there and then we can

1133
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,959
Speaker 1: work on pound. You're gonna see double moves, You're gonna

1134
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: call those sorts of stuff to try to get these kids.

1135
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: In the week three, you got Tampa. And if you

1136
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: don't think Tampa's chucking the ball over the field on you,

1137
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: they get a chuck the ball over the field on you.

1138
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: So we're gonna learn a lot about this Giant secondary

1139
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: early to five on three Scott in New Mexico will

1140
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: be our final call of today. Scottie, I gutas how

1141
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: you're doing today. I had a question one team I'm

1142
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: pretty high on this year, or listening to your analysis

1143
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: with Jacksonville because the draft choices and also Nick Foles

1144
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: joining the team, and one player, obviously, Josh Allen, I

1145
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: think was going to make a tremendous difference. And my

1146
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: question really goes to the way defenses are actually what

1147
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: the nomenclature defenses are today because the Giants play a

1148
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: three four but because of all the sub packages, and

1149
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: even with Jacksonville, I think Josh Allen was considered a

1150
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: four three linebacker. Uh doesn't make any difference because of

1151
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: all the changes teams make during the games itself, whether

1152
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: you start off as a three four or four three

1153
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: defense doesn't really have any relevance anymore because of all

1154
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: the different types of schemes that teams run. I was

1155
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: just curious not as much, Scott. Scott, you're on the

1156
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: right path. It doesn't matter nearly as much. I think

1157
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: teams were in their base defense anywhere between twenty and

1158
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: five percent of the plays last year, and then there're

1159
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: otherwise they're in sub package, which usually has four men

1160
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: down the line of scrimmage with your at three four

1161
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: or four three. So no, it's becoming less and less

1162
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: important as teams play more and more sub packages, right,

1163
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: and as it relates to the giants and the personnelity

1164
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: they have. Do you see them switching out of a

1165
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: number of the three or four concepts and really going

1166
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: to a lot of different types of formats for defense,

1167
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: just so James Betcheck can take advantage of his personnel.

1168
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: And that was basically my question. I can take your

1169
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: answers off, thank you. I think Betcheer likes to do

1170
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: multiple fronts and multiple personnel packages anyway, So yeah, I

1171
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: think you are. And you know, David Deal has been

1172
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: great this this spring and summer. He's coming in Dan

1173
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: Salmon are not gonna sit down, and he's watching his

1174
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: tape and he's kind of trying to teach us a

1175
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: little bit of how offensive line set of protections and

1176
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: and and kind of do all that stuff. And it's

1177
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: because it's really complicated by the way. It's like, like

1178
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: you have no idea how complicated this stuff is, because

1179
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm still my mind blown by some of it. But

1180
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: simple identifying whether a team is in a three man

1181
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: front or a four man front determines how you work

1182
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: your protections, right. So the benefit of having somebody like

1183
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: Betcher who is going to try to confuse teams, well,

1184
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: is this guy a stand up rusher or is he

1185
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: just the sam linebacker. Is this guy really playing a

1186
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: defensive end and making it a foreman front, or is

1187
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: he more of a linebacker and then it's a three

1188
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: man front. Those types of things can screw up protections

1189
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: and it's why teams do stuff like that well. And

1190
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's dependent on what we were

1191
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. You know, how much do guys like

1192
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: Zimmenez Carter Golden give you game in and game out?

1193
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: Because those are three versatile players who I think you

1194
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: can move around John and if he sees early on

1195
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: that he's getting great production. To Scott's point, you know,

1196
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: that may give James Betcher the ability to say, hey,

1197
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring some of the guys to the line

1198
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: of scrimmage early in the season, or you know, I

1199
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable keeping them as stand up rushers. That's

1200
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: all dependent on productivity from personnel. If you go back

1201
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: to Arizona, you know he loved hybrid players. Day Own

1202
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: Buchanan is a player that I bring up all the time.

1203
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: Somebody that you know was interchangeable between safety and linebacker.

1204
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Jabril Peppers is somebody that comes to mind, but all

1205
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: of that luxury comes with productivity. If these guys don't

1206
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: produce when you move them around and it's confusing the personnel,

1207
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: then you probably stop doing all of that. But as

1208
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: far as a big picture perspective, yeah, if you're gonna

1209
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: have your third corner on the field more often than not,

1210
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: then really at the end of the day, as a

1211
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: matter whether you run a three four or four or

1212
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: four three, because you can move those personnel around as

1213
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: it begins with, so I wouldn't get too caught up in,

1214
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, this defense is moving this year to

1215
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: a three four and they ran a four three when

1216
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna give various offenses different looks over the

1217
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: course of the year, because that's why you want to

1218
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: have players that you can move around on your roster,

1219
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: because in the event of injuries, you also may need

1220
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: to change your formations. It's time for tweets. It's giants,

1221
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: It's hashtag giants. Chat said in your teeth will get

1222
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: to him over the course of every single Big Blue

1223
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: Kickoff Live show, Lisa at so Bad six this year,

1224
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: who do you see having the best year and wide receiver?

1225
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Will it be Veteran Golden Tate or can it be

1226
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: a young guy that surprises us like a Corey Coleman. Well, um,

1227
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: I think the two top wide receivers are gonna be

1228
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: Shepherd or Tate. Whether one or the other has more

1229
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: catchers yards than the other, I don't know. I I

1230
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: it's to me, it's a coin flip. I think they're

1231
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna spread the ball around matchup so dictated. Maybe whoever

1232
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: breaks a couple of tackles and makes a couple of

1233
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: big plays that'll change that. But I think who that

1234
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: top guy in the second tier is going to be

1235
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: as interesting, and I think Benny Fowler has an outside

1236
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: shot at it. Corey Coleman is a shot out of it.

1237
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: I think Darius Slaytan has emerged and I think he

1238
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: has a chance to be that speedster third guy. You know,

1239
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: remember Martavis Bryant when he kind of came in as

1240
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: a rookie, didn't really run that many routs, didn't know

1241
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: what he was doing, but he was their deep threat

1242
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: for the Steelers. I could see Darius Slayton, minus all

1243
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: the off field stuff, thankfully take kind of that type

1244
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: of role with Tate and Shepherd. So I give him

1245
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: a real shot to to compete for that third spot.

1246
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: But I think Corey Coleman, with his athletic ability, I

1247
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: know he's your guy, former first round pick. I think

1248
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: he's a shot to be that kind of deep threat

1249
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: third wide receiver in this group as well as Slating

1250
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: could be a player that provides flashes here or there.

1251
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: It's got so much speed. Man fourth three eight has

1252
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: that potential. Coleman maybe a little bit more consistency. And

1253
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: then Cody Lattimer, you know, don't lose sleep over him.

1254
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, don't overlook him. Excuse me, because of the

1255
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: fact that you know, he made plays last year, just problems,

1256
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: couldn't stay healthy, and he's been a consistent weapon for

1257
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: the Giants since he's arrived here. He also has familiarity

1258
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: with Tyke Toilbert. I think there's a lot to like

1259
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: with Cody Latimer's just a sample size last year was minute.

1260
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: You barely really got to see what he could do.

1261
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: As far as the most productive receiver, if you would

1262
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: ask me, I think Golden Tad is gonna finish with

1263
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: the most receiving yards out of that core I think

1264
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: he's done it consistently during the course of his career. Mean,

1265
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: look at what he did at Detroit last year. He

1266
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: really can't read too much into the numbers because he

1267
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: split the season between Detroit and Philly. But I mean,

1268
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: there's a guy that is a consistent ninety reception one

1269
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver. I'm not saying that he's going to

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Speaker 1: get those numbers this year, but I think it's reasonable

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Speaker 1: to say Golden Tate could very well lead the team

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Speaker 1: in both of those categories. And you know, Shepherd, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if necessarily he is going to be a

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Speaker 1: lock for second because Evan Ingram. I think if he

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Speaker 1: stays healthy, he could very well finished second. Did some

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Speaker 1: of those categories on the team's good stuff. Absolutely you

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Speaker 1: and the Tino and Fiegles tomorrow on Big Look at

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Speaker 1: Golf Live in noon on Giants dot com. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you check it out for a Lands mental. I'm JOHNH. Beoth.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time. I'm

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