1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: My gosh, you can't do what he did on the 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: field and then afterward say I don't regret it. That 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: is why he is getting dfayed. Welcome everyone to the 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Thursday edition of Garat Territory. We are live. I'm Ken 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Rosenval here with Alana Rizzo. A lot of this week 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: started off with the Ronald Lacunya news, continue with the 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Angel Hernandez news, and we've got even more news to 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: discuss on this Thursday. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Well, there's certainly not a lack of things to discuss. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: And don't forget, guys, you can get your questions in 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 3: to the chat for Ken Rosenthal. We're gonna load that 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: up here in just a little bit. We're going to 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: get to Grill and Ken. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: In just a moment. But Ken, let's get to what 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: you started talking about. 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 3: Earlier this morning in our production meeting, an article that 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: you had written for The Athletic. As we get to 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: the lead about a situation now with Negro league baseball 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: statistics being incorporated into Major League Baseball. Some say it's 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: a long time coming, but Ken, it doesn't come without 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: controversy as well. 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: No, there are a lot of people who have questions 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: about the league's decision to incorporate the Negro League stats, 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: and the way I started my column today Alana is 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: by saying, to all those questioning the legitimacy of incorporating 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: the Negro league statistics into the Major League official records, 27 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: I asked this question, how legitimate were the statistics pre 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, when Major League Baseball was essentially an 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: all white men's club. Now, I understand that it was 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: jarring for a lot of people, even myself, to see 31 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Josh Gibson suddenly atop the leaderboards in many categories. But 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: it was even more joing when MLB did not recognize 33 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: the Negro leagues as fully as they should. And starting 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, that changed. They recognized the Negro leagues 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: as a major league. And now that you have this 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: taking place, with the statistics becoming an official part of 37 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: baseball's history, it opens up people's eyes a little bit 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: and it makes you want to wonder or makes you 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: think about, Okay, what was Josh Gibson really like? Sparkle 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: your curiosity and I know people will say, well, hey, 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: come on, you can't compare those statistics to major league statistics. 42 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Whoa statistics always in this game's history have been in 43 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: apples and oranges situation. You can't compare a lot of 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: different things. Some would say you cannot compare Barry Bonds's 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: home run record to Tank Aaron's home run record because 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: of the steroid era that Bonds was involved in. There 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: was the steroid era, there was the dead ball era. 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: There are seasons that have been shortened. There are all 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: kinds of disparities that have taken place over the years. 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: I refer to a couple more in that column I 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: wrote today. So this is a matter of writing a 52 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: past wrong. It's a matter of acknowledging twenty three hundred 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: players who were major league caliber players, And to me, 54 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: it's a great thing for the game. It enhances the 55 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: game's history and we go forward now with all of 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: these players in the same Nix and Ken. 57 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: You said something earlier today that really stuck out to me. 58 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: It's one thing to say you can't compare errors because 59 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: it's comparing apples to oranges. But it's a whole other 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: thing entirely when you realize the whole reason they had 61 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: to be incorporated to begin with is because they weren't 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: allowed to play in the Major League. So that's why 63 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 3: there was a whole separate category. Anyway, I mean, that's 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: important to recognize that they weren't allowed to play and 65 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: now they're finally getting their fair due. 66 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's really important. That's the genesis of this whole 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: thing that until nineteen forty seven, baseball prohibited blacks people 68 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: of color from participating and playing in Major League Baseball. 69 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: That's why we have this situation. So if you're going 70 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: to talk about it and criticize the statistics and all 71 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: the things that MLB might be doing, WHOA, Let's go 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: back to the beginning. Let's go back to the source 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: of the original problem, which was these players were excluded. 74 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: These players had to barnstorm and find ways to make 75 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: money because they were excluded. It's a whole situation that 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: that was an ugly part of this game's history. Now, 77 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: can MLB, by incorporating these statistics make it all go away, No, 78 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: and no one. No one should forget why these statistics 79 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: were created in the first place, because these players were 80 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: not allowed to play in MLB. So the whole thing 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: is an important part of the game's history. The exclusion, yes, 82 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: the performances as well by the Negro League's players. And 83 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: now we've seen Negro League's players honored in the Hall 84 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: of Fame. Now we get them to be officially recognized statistically. 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: It is a great day, a long day coming for MLB. 86 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: I certainly cannot understand what it's like to be an 87 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: African American baseball player, but I did have an interesting 88 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: text conversation ken with an African American male who is very, 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: very knowledgeable when it comes to the sport of. 90 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: Baseball, and he said that he did. 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: Not like the incorporation of the Negro League statistics into 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: Major League Baseball statistics because, in his word, it is 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: whitewashing history. I mean, this is a person that I 94 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: have a tremendous amount of respect for, and it was 95 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 3: an interesting take from an African American male who loves 96 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: the sport. What is your take on that sort of 97 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: criticism of this. 98 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I've heard that too, Alta, and it's a fair point. 99 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: And it's a reasonable concern as well among African Americans 100 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: and black who are looking at this and saying, whoa 101 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: whoa whoa. MLB is trying to make this all go away. 102 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: I get that it is a complex question without an 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: easy answer. Because certainly there is an aspect to this, 104 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: and as I wrote today, any celebration of this should 105 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: be muted because of the history. But at the same time, 106 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: the idea that the statistics should remain separate, that bothers 107 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: me too, because the separation is what the problem was 108 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: in the first place, and I don't know that it 109 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: is a wise idea to perpetuate that separation by making 110 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: these statistics into a different category. This, in my view, 111 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: is a better solution on a perfect solution, of course, 112 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: and there is never going to be a perfect solution. 113 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: But as I said earlier, we cannot forget the history. 114 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: This does not change anything about what happened. We need 115 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: to keep remembering why this whole situation became a thing, 116 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: and it became a thing because blacks were not allowed 117 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: to play MLB until Jackie Robinson came along and broke 118 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: the color barrier. 119 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: Do different eras need to be contextualized? Ken is that important? 120 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: It's really important, and it's why these conversations are so 121 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: interesting a lot of them. We don't know if Josh 122 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: Gibson was a better player than babies. We'll never know that. 123 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: And we'll never know if Josh Gibson's great nineteen forty 124 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: three season, which consisted of only sixty nine games, would 125 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: have been the same over one sixty two. But this 126 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: is why we have these discussions. We try to educate ourselves, 127 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: we try to learn more, and these debates have been 128 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: part of the game's history forever. We've been talking about 129 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: these kinds of things always, So for Bonds versus Aaron 130 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: what was it? It was McGuire versus Maris and all 131 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: these things, and of course that changed over time as 132 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: we learn more about what McGuire did. So to me, 133 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: it's cool. It's one of the coolest parts of baseball. 134 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Nor other sport has this kind of ongoing discussion about 135 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: different players places in history, and in my view, now 136 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: that the Negro League's players are part of that discussion, 137 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: as I said before, it makes that discussion even better. Yeah. 138 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: Now, it's interesting to see when some people's heads fall 139 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: off when we talk about comparing Sho Hey o Tani. 140 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 2: To the Babe. 141 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: All right, we move on here on the lead as 142 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: we talk about Paul Skins, a young and up and 143 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: coming player with a lot of fanfare. Ken he had 144 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: his third outing on his twenty second birthday, yesterday and 145 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: looks just as much of the part that he's playing 146 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: as the game's best superstar. 147 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Alana, and he is right now the 148 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: talk of the game as far as pitching is concerned. 149 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: And every start now is an event with him. And 150 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: let's look at his sticks so far, because they're rather 151 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: amazing for a guy who, as you said, just turned 152 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: twenty two yesterday, was drafted only last year, is still 153 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: relatively young in professional baseball. He has made four starts now, 154 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: four starts, twenty two innings, two point four to five 155 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 1: e and here's what I love. Thirty strikeouts and five 156 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: walks thirty to five strikeout to walk ratio. He's a 157 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: guy with that funky pitch, the splinker. It's a splitter 158 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: with sinker action. It's the same pitch Joan Duranthros for 159 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins, and to me, it makes schemes that 160 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: much more fascinating. He has this kind of different pitch 161 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: that others don't for the most part, and as well, 162 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: he has that huge fastball. The one thing that he 163 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: has not done yet is complete more than six innings. Wow, 164 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: that's really terrible. He'll get there as well. And one 165 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: of the key questions for the Pirates is going to be, Okay, 166 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: do they go with him every fifth or sixth day 167 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: the rest of the season. How long can this continue? 168 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: That is something to be talked about later, but for 169 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: now we can just enjoy the Paul Skiing Show because 170 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: every fifth or sixth day it's pretty darn good. 171 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: It's great to see, of course, a young superstar coming 172 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: up in the game and being able to live up 173 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: to the billing, at least so far. It's Barnum and Bailey, 174 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: ken En Queens. I tell you what is going on 175 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: with the New York Mets. I think a way to 176 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: describe it perhaps is it's a circus. 177 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: That's a fair word. Alaana, and you and I at 178 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: MLB Network over the years have worked with a lot 179 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: of Mets fans and we know how fatalistic they are, 180 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: always thinking that the sky is falling. Well, in this case, 181 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: they're actually on the something because the Mets are a 182 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: complete mess. This is the team with the highest payroll 183 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: in the sport. They've lost thirteen of sixteen, They're eleven 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: under five hundred in a week. National League. Let's face it, 185 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: it's the Braves, Phillies and Dodgers. The rest of the 186 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: teams are just for the most part. Okay, there's sixteen 187 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: games behind the Phillies in the National League East, there's 188 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: six out in the wildcard race, so all of these 189 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: things are going on. And I want to take people 190 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: back to what Steve Cohen said in November twenty twenty 191 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: when he was introduced for the first time as this 192 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: team's owner. And if you remember, fans treated Cohen as 193 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: really a savior. Here's what he said. If I don't 194 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: win a World Series in the next three to five years, 195 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: I would like to make it sooner than obviously. I 196 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: would consider that slightly disappointing. I'm not in this to 197 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: me min yocre. I want something great. Okay, this is 198 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: year four, year four of Cohen's regime, and they're not 199 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: going to win the World Series this year. Chances are 200 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: they're not going to win it next year either. And 201 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: what Cohen is finding is what so many owners find 202 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: with so many people find with this sport. It is 203 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: humbling and it is difficult to win. Ask the Dodgers, 204 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: who have won one World Series in this great run 205 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: of theirs in the COVID shortened season. This is not easy. 206 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: So the real question now for the Mets, Alana, in 207 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: my view, is what happens at the deadline, because they 208 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: are trending towards seller. Alonzo got hit on the hand yesterday. 209 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: We'll have to see how he is. Waiting for that 210 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: report right now, Edwin Diaz going on the injured list 211 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: shoulder impingement, and then of course they had all the 212 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: shenanigans that took place on one day in Queens Wednesday afternoon. 213 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to get into the Hote Lopez ejection 214 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: a little bit later on in the segment you said 215 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: they may not make you know, they may not make. 216 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: The World Series this year or next year. 217 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: They may not even make the postseason this year, Ken, 218 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: I think we can safely say, at least I'm saying 219 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: it here on fair territory on May thirtieth, the Mets 220 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: are done. The Mets are done for this season. They 221 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: were swept by the Dodgers. Obviously, you have the injury 222 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: to Edwin Diaz and Pete Alonzo. Goodness knows what's going 223 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: to happen there. I mean, does that change your mind 224 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: at all with whether or not the Mets sign Alonzo 225 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: to a long term deal, not the injury, but just 226 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: the lack of production so far, and what is they 227 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: walk here for him, and kind of where this team 228 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: is going in the future all. 229 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: On, I've never been confident that David Stearns, as President 230 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: of Baseball Operations, was going to be on board with 231 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: giving Alonso the deal that he wants. Joel Sherman's reported 232 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: that they offered him one hundred and fifty million plus. 233 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: He turned that down obviously because he wants more and 234 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: he's a first baseman. He's going into his thirties. It's 235 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: not a great scenario that teams view for that kind 236 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: of player at that kind of age. So I was 237 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: never confident there. But at the same time, Alonzo means 238 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: a lot to the team. He is a guy who 239 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: has proven he can play in New York, which is 240 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: something Aaron Judge did and which is what made him 241 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: so valuable to the Yankees. But at the same time, 242 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: he's a power hitter who this year is not so 243 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: far having his best year. So at this point, if 244 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: I had to guess, I would guess he'd be the 245 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: biggest name available at the trade deadline. And if he 246 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: gets traded, guess what, He's not coming back. Because once 247 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: that cord is cut, it becomes that much more difficult 248 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: to bring the player back into your good graces, even 249 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: if the Mets want to do that, and I'm not 250 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: convinced that they do. 251 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: Steve Cohen has the money is one soda the offseason 252 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: answer for the Mets. He's, you know, he hasn't signed 253 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: yet with New York. Sean Brenner said, obviously it's willing 254 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: to talk to you know, extension, but yet they don't 255 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: have the money, which is talking out of both sides 256 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 3: of their mouth. Is one so to the answer for 257 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: the Mets, Well. 258 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, abouna. We know money talks, right that 259 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 1: Juan Soto, represented by Scott Borris, is going to the 260 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: highest bidder, and if the Mets are the highest bidder, 261 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: maybe they get Wan Soto. But two things, One, the 262 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Mets need more than Juan Soto, and two, Juan Soto 263 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: is no dummy. He sees what's going on over there. 264 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: He sees what has gone on the last couple of 265 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: years and really for quite a bit longer than that. 266 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: So okay, maybe the Mets offer him the most money, 267 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: but maybe he then goes to the Yankees team that 268 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: has had more success and says, guys, just get me close, 269 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: get me to the same level. Whatever. I don't know 270 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: that this enhances their chances of getting won, so it 271 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: might enhance their desperation. But if I'm one Soto, I'm 272 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: thinking twice about this whole thing. 273 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're staying in New York and you're playing for 274 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 3: a contender versus a pretender at least what it's been over. 275 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: The last couple of years. 276 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: All Right, we want to welcome Baseballism to our show here, 277 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: not only to Fair Territory, but to Foul Territory and 278 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: all of our platforms here. 279 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: Baseballism is a lifestyle brand. 280 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: Obviously, they're the official you know, baseball provider I guess 281 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: of you know, major League Baseball. And it's also I've 282 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: known these guys for so long, Ken and I don't know. 283 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: It's really hard to see our shirts right now, but 284 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: they just came out with the Tony Gwynn line, which 285 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: I absolutely love, and it's now available on baseballism dot com. 286 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: Tony gwyn Perfection shirt and cap is available for pre order. 287 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: A lot of this stuff is already being sold out. 288 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: Baseballism is so honestly such great merchandise. I've been a 289 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: fan of theirs for yours, so welcome to the Fair 290 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: Territory and Foul Territory family. But Tony gwyn such a 291 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: special player. Can you you have the opportunity to work 292 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: with him a lot? What are some of your favorite 293 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: win memories? 294 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: My favorite win memories are simply from interviewing him, and 295 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: he was one of the best interviews, if not the best, 296 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: in the entire sport, and of all the players I've covered. 297 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: He was not only friendly and always willing to talk, 298 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: but he was really insightful and would be happy to 299 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: explain his craft and go through everything. Now, there is 300 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: a picture from the two thousand and one in Seattle. 301 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: That's me on the left and that's Nestor Aparicio. These 302 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: were guys or we were sporting news radio colleagues at 303 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: the time, and that's Tony just sitting down with us 304 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: at the All Star Game. I looked at lot Groovier then, 305 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: but again, Tony Gwynn just always willing to take the 306 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: time and talk, and he was just a great soul. 307 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: I guess that's the way I would put it. And 308 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: his son, Tony gwyn Junior, now Padres broadcaster, many of 309 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: the same qualities, and he's carrying on the family legacy 310 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: in the best way possible. 311 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: He's just such a wonderful Tony gwyn Junior is such 312 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: a wonderful guy, and I am assuming his dad the 313 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: same exact way. And can you just put into context 314 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: what a special player he was. I mean, the man 315 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: never struck out his plate. Discipline was ridiculous. He was 316 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: just such a solid player up and down. 317 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: Oh he was more than solid. He was brilliant. And 318 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: all of the things we talk about with a Rise, 319 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: now that was Tony Gwynn. Kind of times two. Tony 320 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Gwynn was the best version of Luisa Riise. You could imagine. 321 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: He was better than Luisa Rise. He's in the Hall 322 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: of Fame for goodness sake. And the five to six hole, 323 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: of course, was what he was most famous for, shooting 324 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: the ball the other way, but he could do a 325 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: lot of things. He was once a great basketball player 326 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: as well. He eventually went to baseball after playing in college. 327 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: But with the bat, he was just a magician and 328 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: his thought process was ahead of its time. He in 329 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: today's game, with all the analytics and everything going on, 330 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: he'd be entirely comfortable because he was there already. Now, 331 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: he might not have used the same Verbie age and 332 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: the same reference points and all of that, but that 333 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: was kind of the way he approached things. And you 334 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: talk to some of those great Braves pitchers from the nineties, 335 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: Smoltz and Glavin and Maddox. He was the guy that 336 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: they had our the hardest time with. 337 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he coached Steven Strasburg of course at San Diego State, 338 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: and we talked so much about Steven Strasburg and his 339 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: debut and that's kind of where Paul Skeins is right now. 340 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: Tony going an unbelievable person. So again, Baseballism, Welcome to 341 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: the family. We're so happy that you're here. The Tony 342 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: Gown collection is out now you can pre order Baseballism 343 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: just an awesome, awesome company, the official lifestyle brand of 344 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 3: baseball All right, time now for Grill and ken As. 345 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: We've told you guys to get your questions in Alashieva 346 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: Jones says, how are the Brewers so successful this season? 347 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: That's a great question. It's fun to watch a very 348 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: small market team have success. 349 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: I agree, Alishev. I've been with you all year on 350 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: this and them. The Brewers and the Guardians are my 351 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: two favorite stories of the season, and they're kind of 352 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: similar in the sense that both lost legendary managers. Creig 353 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: Counsel went to the Cubs, Terry Francona retired. Yet the 354 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: Brewers have this underdog quality about them. And I asked 355 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: Christian Yelich about it in a couple of weeks ago, 356 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: and he said, listen, there is an understanding here, an 357 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: accountability of how we're going to go about things, how 358 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: are going to practice, how we're going to play, and 359 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: how this is all going to work. And it comes 360 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: from guys like Yelich, of course. But keep in mind, 361 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: they not only lost Counsel, they lost Corbyn Burns. They 362 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: haven't had Brandon Woodruf, they haven't had Devin Williams all season. 363 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: And still they come up with these young position players 364 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: who are really good. They've got relief pitchers that they 365 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: kind of found out of nowhere. Brian Hudson, good example, Alana, 366 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: you might remember him. Dfa'd by the Dodgers to make 367 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: room for Yoshinobu Yamamoto, and now he's like a potential 368 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: All Star. So they routinely get the most out of 369 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: the least, and it's just impressive to see Pat Murphy's 370 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: done a great job, just as Steven Roade has done 371 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: a great job in Cleveland. And hats off to the Brewers. 372 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: They've got to go on. 373 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 3: And let's not forget that Josh had, of course left 374 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: at the end of last year to the Houston Astros. 375 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: It seems like the Brewers knew something was going on there. 376 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 3: I had a conversation earlier today with Joey Ortiz their 377 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: third basement. I mean, this is a guy that came 378 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 3: over in that Corbyn Burns trade and he's kind of 379 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: living up to the billing. He's had a really nice 380 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: offensive season so far. He knew he wasn't going to 381 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: play shortstop with Willia Domis there. But it's kind of 382 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: like the resurgence of guys, guys finding their own way 383 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: with the Brewers organization, they kind of make the most 384 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: of who they have. 385 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: Is that right? 386 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: That is right? And hey, Joey Ortiz came over in 387 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: a huge trade. They also got dl Hall a picture 388 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: that they are quite high on in that trade as 389 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: well for a potential free agent. That trade is looking 390 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: pretty good. But that trade doesn't even compare to the 391 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: Contrera's trade, and that was one in which they parted 392 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: with the guy that they had acquired for Hatersturi Ruiz 393 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: and William Contreras was the person that they acquired in 394 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: that three team trade along with Joel Piamps from the 395 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: A's William Contreras looks like he's going to be a 396 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: an All Star for the next ten years. The story 397 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: ruives has been back and forth in the minors this year. 398 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: That was a brilliant move. So all of these things 399 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: together the on field vibe what the front office has 400 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: done even without David Stearns. Now Matt Arnold runs the team. 401 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: It's just really impressive and it's kind of a model 402 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: for what a low revenue team should be. 403 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the greatest organizations out there. I had 404 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: an opportunity to cover the Brewers. I lived in Wisconsin 405 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: for three years. 406 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: Loved it. 407 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: Great fans, great tail, getting best brought's best cheese curds. 408 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 3: All right, thank you for that question, Lashieva Jones. All right, 409 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 3: next question is talking about a second half surge. 410 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: This is from Jerry. 411 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 3: Who's your team that's out of it right now, Ken, 412 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: but can come back big time? In the second half. 413 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: That's that's the putting on the spot. That's a good question. 414 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: That's a tough one. But I would say Houston and 415 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: they're not really out of it. They're kind of in 416 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: the mix, but they're going to play better. I believe 417 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: Jose Breo came back this week, looks better. It's not great. 418 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: They've had hiccup. They did not have a great series 419 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: against Seattle just completed. In fact, Seattle really looks like 420 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: the class of the AL West right now. But Houston 421 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: is Houston. And I will also mention the Texas Rangers 422 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: in this regard. They've got a ton of pitching coming back. 423 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: They eventually are going to find their offense too. So 424 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: those two teams in particular, I would expect are going 425 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: to play a lot better as the season goes on. 426 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: All Right, so you're expecting a second half surge out 427 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 3: of the AL West. What about the Blue Jays. That's 428 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: a question that we. 429 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: Have here on a grill and can I know, I 430 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: know j Mack wants to know. 431 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 3: The Blue Jays compared to expectations, have been an absolute 432 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: disaster this year. Are Bashett and Vlad just not the guys? 433 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: Or is there a bigger problem there. A lot of 434 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: blame gets put on those two big names, but it 435 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 3: can't be just about them. 436 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Alana and j Mac. That's a fair question, 437 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: because those are the two biggest names, But this is 438 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: a system wide failure in my opinion, and they have underachieved. 439 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: Now this is really the second year, and you can 440 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: go back even further, or maybe if you'd like, and 441 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: say they haven't been who they should be. With that 442 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: pitching staff, the rotation in particular, this should be one 443 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: of the more formidable teams in the major leagues, right 444 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: there with Seattle as far as the rotation's concerned. And 445 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: yet while they get good starting pitching, their offense has 446 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: been an utter disappointment. Now, yes, Vlad and Beau are 447 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: part of that, but it goes well beyond them, And 448 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: it seems to me it's one of those things you 449 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: can't quite put your finger on. You don't really know 450 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: what it is, but something's amiss there and I don't 451 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: know how to define it. But that team is facing 452 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: a major crossroads and as we get to the deadline, 453 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: it's going to be real interesting to see how they 454 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: go about this. 455 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems like Toronto has been a little 456 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: bit disjointed all season long. I had such high hopes 457 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: for them in the Al East. 458 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: I've been proven. 459 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 3: Wrong so far, at least two months into the season. 460 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: All right, time now for oh, we have one more 461 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 3: great it's a super chat from Daniel. 462 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: What is up, Daniel? 463 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: Why do the central divisions always seem to be the 464 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 3: most just because it's the middle of the country. They're 465 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: just balancing out the rest of the country, Daniel. This 466 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: seems like it has been true for years. What's your 467 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: take on. 468 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: It, Ken, That's a good point, Daniel, And to me, 469 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: it's because there is never a big, big payroll team 470 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: in those divisions, or at least hasn't been for the 471 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: most part. The Cubs could be that team, but they're 472 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: really not that team. So you don't have the equivalent 473 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: of the Phillies and Braves and the Dodgers in the 474 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: National League, the Yankees in the American League, Texas Rangers 475 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: what they've been in the American League. Now, obviously there 476 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: are other teams that haven't spent as much, that don't 477 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: spend as much that have done really well. The Orioles 478 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: are the latest example. But the Central divisions. For the 479 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: most part, I'm generalizing a bit. Here are full of 480 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: such teams. Those are who comprises those divisions, and that's 481 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: why it's been seemingly more balanced. 482 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: I love what the Royals are doing. Bobby Wood, Junior 483 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: American League Player of the Week. I don't know why 484 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: my phone is ringing. Apparently have to do something. All right, 485 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: let me ask you this, dude, and this is I 486 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: always come up with dorks. It's always so much easier 487 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: for me to come up with dorks than it is 488 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 3: for me to come up with dudes. 489 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: But let's start with your dude. 490 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: Ken a lot of candidates this week. I was use heel, 491 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: but it's hard to ignore what Corey Seeger is doing 492 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: right now for the Texas Rangers. Now, remember I had 493 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: that hernia surgery. He got off to a slow start. 494 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: Slow start, no more eight home runs in his last 495 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: eight games, twelve game hitting streak, nine homers in that streak, 496 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: three forty nine batting average ops of almost fifteen hundred. 497 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: He's back, folks, as the Diamondbacks learned again, just as 498 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: they learned last October. In the last two nights, Cory 499 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: S Dude the week. 500 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a huge Corey Seeger fan. 501 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: I remember when he came up, when he got called 502 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: up to the Dodgers, it was just so special. Great 503 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: baseball family, obviously with Kyle and Justin as well. All Right, 504 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: my dude, you're not going to be surprised by this, 505 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: because I would always pick four legs over too. 506 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 2: But let's take a listen to JP Crawford's pups. 507 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: This is courtesy of the Mariners on ex JP Crawford's huskies. 508 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 3: That's a very vocal breeds. So if you don't like noise, 509 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 3: can do not get a husky. They're smart, they're active, 510 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 3: they're wonderful, and they loved when Papa had the walk 511 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: off for the m How great is that they can 512 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: recognize their dad on the I mean maybe mom got 513 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: him riled up. 514 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's fantastic. 515 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of you. You just said it. 516 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: They're smart and obviously they were having a good reaction 517 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: to what JP did. 518 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: Ah, that's awesome. 519 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: Thank you for that. JP Crawford, that's awesome. Anytime I 520 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: can get a dog in the show, I am on board. 521 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 3: What about your dork of the week. There always seems 522 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: to be enough of these to choose from. 523 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: Oh, there's always plenty of Lota, and I'm going to 524 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: go with Chicago White Sox manager Pedro Graffall. Now he's 525 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of a mess. We all know that 526 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: it's not easy being Pedro Graffall with that team right now. 527 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: But in these circumstances, the last thing you want to 528 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: do is rip your players. Now, I know a lot 529 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: of fans like that. Hey, why is an arm manager? 530 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: Tougher Aaron Boone gets criticized for just the opposite, for 531 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: always being so positive. Guys are positive. Managers are positive 532 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: because players don't react well when they're negative. So let's 533 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: look at what Rafall said, because it wasn't great. He 534 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: basically said initially that the players were bleep bleep flat, 535 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: and then the next day after several players kind of 536 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: spoke up and said, all right, he's intitled to his opinion. 537 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: Griffall said, you know what, I'm doubling down on what 538 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: I said yesterday. Okay, I thought we were flat. They 539 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: have their opinions. I have mine. This is not divided 540 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: by any means, Pedro, It sure sounds divided. I don't 541 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: think you should have gone there. It's not a good sign, 542 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: and it's not a good sign for your future. Pedro Gfall. 543 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for this guy. He's 544 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: a good baseball man, but he's dork of the Week. 545 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a good look. 546 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: Of course, anytime you're calling out your players like that 547 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: has been a mess obviously for Chicago since his tenure 548 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: has gotten off to a pretty rocky start. My dork 549 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: of the Week, and I'm going to go fifty to 550 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 3: fifty on this my dork of the Week. Obviously we 551 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: talked about it earlier in the show, but you look 552 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 3: at what happened right now with the Mets and Hoodie 553 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: Lopez throwing his glove into the stands. Is why I'm 554 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: giving him Dork of the Week. I understand that you're frustrated. 555 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: I understand that you're frustrated with your performance, But that 556 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: act of being a petulant child and throwing your glove 557 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: into the stands I don't like. What I also don't 558 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 3: like is when asked after the game if he regretted 559 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: the decision and he didn't show any remorse. 560 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: I'm not going to get on him. 561 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: For what he said about whether or not he was 562 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 3: you know, the worst player on the worst team, because 563 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: I do believe there's some of that that can be 564 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: lost in translation. I'm disappointed that there was not a 565 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: translator there. I don't want to get on players where 566 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: English is not their first language, because you don't know 567 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: if they're certain of the question, if the response is 568 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: exactly what they mean. So to that, I want to 569 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 3: say he gets a past. I think that could have 570 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: been handled better. But throwing your glove into the stand 571 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: and then saying you don't regret that, I'm pretty sure 572 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: his tenure with the Mets is over. There's likely going 573 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: to be a DFA situation for Lopez today. 574 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: No question, And that was the worst part of it, 575 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: throwing the glove, showing your frustration in that sense. The manager, 576 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: Carlos Mendoza said afterward, that is unacceptable, and I'm with you, Lana. 577 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: It seems like what was going on with the postgame 578 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: comments and the translation, there's some question about what exactly 579 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: was said. We could give him a path for that. 580 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: That's a problem that a lot of times surfaces in 581 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: these situations, and I don't want to judge that this 582 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: is also a player who've had to take a mental 583 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: health break last year, so we have to keep that 584 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: in mind as well. But my gosh, you can't do 585 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: what he did on the field and then afterward say 586 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I don't regret it. That is why he is getting DFAED. 587 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is my doork of the week. Ken's 588 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: always great to be with you. 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