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Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Boxing with Chris Mannix,
Speaker 1: part of the Volume Sports podcast network. We've got a
Speaker 1: great show for you this week. I am in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: the site of Canelo Triple G, the trilogy completing fight
Speaker 1: between two of the biggest stars in boxing that will
Speaker 1: go down Saturday night at T Mobile Arena live on
Speaker 1: The Zone pay per view. I have been here all
Speaker 1: week long. I have talked to the fighters, I have
Speaker 1: talked to the trainers. I have talked to people that
Speaker 1: know the fighters and the trainers, and I'm gonna break
Speaker 1: down this fight from all angles with you. Keith Idek,
Speaker 1: friend of the program boxing scene dot com. He is
Speaker 1: going to join me and we're gonna have a pretty
Speaker 1: robust discussion about this fight and exactly what it means
Speaker 1: for both fighters and a reminder after the fight. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be coming to you with a bonus podcast the
Speaker 1: Latin Snake himself, Sergio More. He is gonna join me
Speaker 1: fresh from ringside to talk about what we saw on
Speaker 1: Saturday night between Canelo and Triple G. All right, Keith Ideck,
Speaker 1: Boxing seam dot Com. I'm gonna give you an over
Speaker 1: under how many slices of pizza do you think I've eaten?
Speaker 1: This week? We're gonna say how many slices of pizza
Speaker 1: have I eat in which I would it would have
Speaker 1: been higher. Probably three days so far? Uh, three full days?
Speaker 1: How many slice do you think? Ten? Wow, you went
Speaker 1: higher seven seven slices of pizza, including two today. No,
Speaker 1: I do not want any more because I've brought over.
Speaker 1: I'm all set with pizza. We are in the MGM
Speaker 1: Grand Press Center, the home areas. I'm getting heckled by
Speaker 1: mid level PR staffers from side Fred Sternberg Fred friends
Speaker 1: always heckling something like that. That's correct. Yes, I am
Speaker 1: Greg Bishop's intern. We're here at the GIM Grand Press Center,
Speaker 1: the site of Gnati Golofkin, Cannelo Alvarez. The trilogy completing
Speaker 1: third fight is Saturday. Can watch that fight onto his
Speaker 1: own pay per view. All right, so let's just kind
Speaker 1: of start here Keith with Cannello Golofkin. Like the the
Speaker 1: buzz you're kind of feeling for this fight compared to
Speaker 1: the previous two. You're at both those previous two fights. Um,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling going into this one compared to
Speaker 1: the other two. Well, it's only Thursday, I guess, but
Speaker 1: you know, more people are gonna filter into Las Vegas
Speaker 1: over the next couple of days for Mexican Independence Day week,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're weigh in will be wild tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Uh but they're The question is more like, is this
Speaker 1: fight is compelling as the fight itself? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think both are less compelling. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: fair because four years have passed since the last fight.
Speaker 1: You know, they've separated themselves in a variety of ways.
Speaker 1: Triple G is obviously forty years old, He's only fought
Speaker 1: four times in the in the four years, somewhat pandemic
Speaker 1: related um had COVID himself of course, so uh so
Speaker 1: there there's less buzz. I mean's just just the way
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, this fight, in my opinion, based
Speaker 1: on people that I've spoken to, the pay per view
Speaker 1: by rate, they're expecting to be lower than for Canelo
Speaker 1: Alvarez's fight against Caleb Plant last year, which no one
Speaker 1: would have said if they would have fought three years ago.
Speaker 1: Of course, Caleb Plant hadn't fought Canello, however, is at
Speaker 1: that point, but no one would have said that Triple
Speaker 1: G Canelo three would do less pay per view buys
Speaker 1: than Caleb Plant Canelo Alvarez, No one would have No
Speaker 1: one sane would have said that, and now that's being
Speaker 1: discussed in boxing circles by people who know what they're
Speaker 1: talking about, because the event is probably happening three years
Speaker 1: later than it was supposed to have happened or should
Speaker 1: have happened, and it's eighty five dollars, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: a pretty high price point, I suppose. But they are
Speaker 1: still two of the biggest stars in the sport. Canelo
Speaker 1: is the biggest star in the sport. Certainly in American boxing,
Speaker 1: he's the biggest star, and the rivalry does mean something.
Speaker 1: People do want to see the third fight, and I
Speaker 1: personally think the fight itself is going to be a
Speaker 1: competitive fight. I don't see just because Triple G is
Speaker 1: forty years old. I don't see Cannello alvare is coming
Speaker 1: in there and running him out of the ring or
Speaker 1: beating him up to the degree where he could potentially
Speaker 1: stop him. I don't see that happening. I see a
Speaker 1: maybe not as competitive of a fight as their second fight,
Speaker 1: but it's still a reasonably competitive fight that Cannelo Alvarez
Speaker 1: will win by unanimous decisions. So what's the biggest question
Speaker 1: for you coming into this fight. You've got some variables
Speaker 1: out there, right, You mentioned the age of Gnati Golofkin,
Speaker 1: just months removed from turning forty years old. He has
Speaker 1: been relatively inactive since that second fight against Cannello back
Speaker 1: in the fall of two thousand eighteen is four and oh.
Speaker 1: Since then, he's reclaimed his middleweight title. He has unified.
Speaker 1: Is he that middleweight title? Well, hey, look, I was
Speaker 1: on record thought he was three and one. I thought
Speaker 1: he lost the Dervin Schenko fight, but judges gave it
Speaker 1: to him. He's been on the wrong end of judging
Speaker 1: as well, so we'll give him, uh that one. But
Speaker 1: you know, he fought Derrevi and Jenko. Good fight, Steve Rolls,
Speaker 1: not so much, Camille Zarra Matta, thanks for coming, uh.
Speaker 1: And then you know riot To Murata, who I think
Speaker 1: it's safe to say was the weakest of the middleweight
Speaker 1: champions uh that were out there at the time. So
Speaker 1: that's the Golfkin side, Canelo side. He's coming down from
Speaker 1: one seventy five, he's coming off his first loss in
Speaker 1: almost ten years. Like, what's the biggest question for you?
Speaker 1: What are you looking for in this fight? Well, the
Speaker 1: biggest questions for me are how is he going to
Speaker 1: how is triple G going to compete with Canello now
Speaker 1: that he's forty years old, because look, the first four
Speaker 1: plus rounds of the Marata fight, we're not good for
Speaker 1: Triple G. He got hit a lot, you know. Cannello
Speaker 1: said the other day when I asked him about this,
Speaker 1: he said he felt like Triple G. He didn't use
Speaker 1: the word respect, but he felt like Triple G had
Speaker 1: felt his power early in the fight, wasn't really all
Speaker 1: that concerned about it, and maybe was a little lax defensively,
Speaker 1: which he would not do against Canello. Probably, um So,
Speaker 1: maybe the performance wasn't quite as bad as it appeared.
Speaker 1: It was also his first fight in almost seventeen months.
Speaker 1: You know, he was rusty. You know, he hadn't fought
Speaker 1: in a long time. He's fighting in his opponent's home country.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of variables there that could have
Speaker 1: made it more more difficult for him than people expected.
Speaker 1: Of course, once he got into a rhythm and he
Speaker 1: started busting up Marada, you know, he dominated him over
Speaker 1: the last few rounds, dropped him and stopped him. And
Speaker 1: I think it was the ninth round, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Um So, overall, a good performance. You know, he won
Speaker 1: by technical knockout. He he was winning on all three
Speaker 1: score cards, So it wasn't like he was behind in
Speaker 1: the fight and came back and stopped him or anything.
Speaker 1: Not not a great performance. But but the questions that
Speaker 1: we would be asking, quite naturally, Chris, is how is
Speaker 1: he going to fight at forty years old against an
Speaker 1: elite level opponent, which Marauda is not. You know, Cannell.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna confuse Cannello Alvarez for Rioto Marada. So
Speaker 1: that's that's what we have to find out. Right at forty,
Speaker 1: can he still be as competitive with someone as good
Speaker 1: as Canello. Now he's gonna he's gonna use that power jab,
Speaker 1: which was really effective for him in the second fight. Um,
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw a lot of punches. You gonna throw
Speaker 1: more punches than Canelo, even at forty. He's eight years older,
Speaker 1: but he's going to be more active just because that's
Speaker 1: not the way Canelo fights for the most part. So
Speaker 1: is that going to be enough to beat Canelo Alvarez?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Um, But look, Cannello is not invincible.
Speaker 1: We found that out four months ago. Right, he decisively
Speaker 1: lost that fight. A lot of people thought uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the scores were entirely too close. I'm sure we'll get
Speaker 1: into the score parks later. Um, but you know, he
Speaker 1: he lost nine rounds probably, and it was still one
Speaker 1: thirteen on all three cards, which I understand why Triple
Speaker 1: G cannot make a public thing out of this, Like
Speaker 1: he can't make it seem like it's on his mind.
Speaker 1: How could it not be on his mind? He won
Speaker 1: the first fight, had to settle for a split draw.
Speaker 1: Second fight was very competitive. I thought Canelo one. I
Speaker 1: understand the perspective of people who might think that Glove
Speaker 1: can one, but I do think Cannello deserve the nod
Speaker 1: in that fight. So in my mind, they're one and one,
Speaker 1: and this is kind of a unofficially a rubber match.
Speaker 1: But at forty years old and at a hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty eight pounds for the first time a division in
Speaker 1: which Canelo Alvarez has succeeded as much, he beat everyone,
Speaker 1: cleaned out the whole division, beat a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: undefeated champions. Some people might say those guys are not
Speaker 1: you know, Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, Caleb Plant are
Speaker 1: not elite level fighters, but they were world champions. They
Speaker 1: were undefeated world champions when he beat them, and he
Speaker 1: cleaned out the division and a very short amount of time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the judging is interesting because if you're Golofkin, don't you
Speaker 1: have to just kind of sell out in this fight,
Speaker 1: Like you cannot count on getting a decision against Canelo
Speaker 1: Alvarez in Vegas. I was with you. I forget. I
Speaker 1: always scored the Beeble fight, but it was at least
Speaker 1: eight four, maybe nine three in favor of people. The
Speaker 1: fact that all three judges at one, whereas if one
Speaker 1: round had flipped it would have been a draw in
Speaker 1: that fight. That was wild. People deserved to win that fight.
Speaker 1: But if you look at the history of Cannelo in Vegas,
Speaker 1: he gets close decisions. Now that's not to say it
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to get them. I mean people can argue
Speaker 1: aris Landy Laura may have beat Canello. I thought that
Speaker 1: was a close fight, and you know, sometimes it goes
Speaker 1: the other way. But you go back to even the losses,
Speaker 1: whether it was the Beavil fight or the atrocious scorecard
Speaker 1: we saw in the hey Weather fight where c J.
Speaker 1: Ross had it. Even a fight that Canello clearly lost,
Speaker 1: doesn't Golofkin, or shouldn't Golofkin have the mindset in this
Speaker 1: fight where I gotta go for broke. I have to
Speaker 1: try to knock this guy out because that will probably
Speaker 1: be the only way I can win. I would say yes, Chris,
Speaker 1: except that he would then be exposing himself to getting
Speaker 1: caught with something and being and finding himself in a
Speaker 1: position that he's never found himself. And we've never seen
Speaker 1: Ganadi Golofkin quote unquote hurt. I know he's felt particular
Speaker 1: punches in his career and maybe masked it very well,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen him knocked down, beaten up, or
Speaker 1: anything like that. And if you take those kinds of
Speaker 1: risks and just throw caution to the wind because of
Speaker 1: what you're mentioning, which makes sense, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that he can do and I don't know a speed.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I mean, you put yourself in
Speaker 1: a position where you could get clipped with something that
Speaker 1: could really get you knocked out, end your career, whatever
Speaker 1: it might be, because Canelo is just too dangerous to
Speaker 1: do that. But on the flip side, what you can't
Speaker 1: go into this fight based on many of the things
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned thinking that you're going to win
Speaker 1: on the scorecards, whether that that's obviously unfair and shouldn't exist,
Speaker 1: but that's the subjective nature of scoring boxing, and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Canelo Alvarez gets the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: on the scorecards virtually every single time. The scorecards that C. J.
Speaker 1: Ross submitted for the Mayweather fight and Adelaide Bird even
Speaker 1: more so for the first fight between Triple G and Canelo,
Speaker 1: are two of the worst scorecards in recent boxing history.
Speaker 1: Common denominator, obviously is Canelo, and people haven't forgotten any
Speaker 1: of that. There's no way, for God's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: No way Triple G has forgotten about that. Chris. What
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I don't want to disparage guys who
Speaker 1: are quality judges like Dave Moretti and Steve Weisfeld, but
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that Triple G is okay with them
Speaker 1: scoring the fight this fight. Because they both scored the
Speaker 1: Bival Canelo fight one fifteen, one thirteen for Canelo. I
Speaker 1: think we're all in agreement that that's that's just entirely
Speaker 1: too close. They both scored uh Triple G Canelo a
Speaker 1: one winner in their rematch not absurd by Monny Stretch.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a competitive fight. Could have you know,
Speaker 1: I think Canelo one I was fine with it one thirteen,
Speaker 1: Moretti did score uh. Weisfeld did not score their first fight,
Speaker 1: but Moretti scored their first fight oneteen for triple G,
Speaker 1: which probably makes him say, Okay, well, he's given me
Speaker 1: a fair shake against Cannelo in the past and and
Speaker 1: he I'm okay with him. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: like you're all right with the two guys who just scored.
Speaker 1: Not only not only did they all score uh bival
Speaker 1: can l one thirteen for bibball. All three of them
Speaker 1: gave the each of the first four rounds. I think
Speaker 1: it was two too. I think through four much reasonable
Speaker 1: worst case scenario three one. But you can if you
Speaker 1: have no way to give him. Look, there's just no
Speaker 1: way that he lost all four rounds and they were
Speaker 1: in complete agreement on that. So it's almost like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of that when you have
Speaker 1: not on four judges in complete agreement on four rounds
Speaker 1: that clearly should not have been scored that way. Like
Speaker 1: that to me, he's like, and I hate saying this.
Speaker 1: Because I've said many times and I think you'd agree.
Speaker 1: I think Steve Wisfeld is if he is one, if
Speaker 1: not the best judge in all the boxing. He is,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the gold standard. Dave already has been
Speaker 1: around for a while, has been pretty consistent in terms
Speaker 1: of high level. David Sutherland less so much, less much,
Speaker 1: But I think he's fine as a judge. It's just weird,
Speaker 1: like whatever Cannelo Alpharez gets in the ring, these judges
Speaker 1: seemed to see something with what he's doing that his
Speaker 1: opponents are not. It's interesting, Chris, because I'm not casting
Speaker 1: any aspersions on anyone, because I know Steve Weisefeld personally
Speaker 1: like judges or Jersey Jersey guys are you know whatever,
Speaker 1: not as much pizza as you like. Like the fact
Speaker 1: that you've eaten more than twice as much since you've
Speaker 1: been here and since I've been here is a no
Speaker 1: one would have been on that probably right, I've had
Speaker 1: three slices of pizza since I've been um But anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's not I understand from the outside
Speaker 1: looking in, people think it's corruption and people are greasing
Speaker 1: people's palms and you know, paying people under the that's
Speaker 1: not quite how that works. We're not We're not naive
Speaker 1: either of us. Obviously, we're very skeptical people in general
Speaker 1: because of what we do for a living. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what you know. I would like to
Speaker 1: know the actual answer because it just because sometimes you
Speaker 1: could just be seated on a different side of the
Speaker 1: ring as someone and have a different perspective of what's
Speaker 1: going on because you don't have the benefit of all
Speaker 1: you know, the best television angles or whatever. You get
Speaker 1: your angle, and if it's you don't see what's happening.
Speaker 1: You don't see what's happening because the guy's back is
Speaker 1: to you or whatever the case might be. Um, but
Speaker 1: it's a very subjective science. You know. People prefer usually
Speaker 1: prefer aggression, effective aggression anyway. Um, but Canelo just doesn't
Speaker 1: throw a lot of punches like sometimes and you and
Speaker 1: I don't get it something you know, but what you
Speaker 1: know what I like though? When this happened to the
Speaker 1: aj fight, right did who is it? Was it? Don Trella,
Speaker 1: Glen Felton, who's the judge that one? Are the judges
Speaker 1: that scored it for Joshua Glen Felman, Glen Felmon right,
Speaker 1: who was a good judge, very good judge. Somebody caught
Speaker 1: up to him. Somebody tracked him down after that fight
Speaker 1: and asked the the question. I would love to see
Speaker 1: judges be more accountable and be available for questions, you know,
Speaker 1: after that. Just if you're going to score a certain
Speaker 1: way in a high profile situation where there's so much
Speaker 1: money on the line, there should be some transparency there.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you. But the reason why
Speaker 1: judges don't speak, as you well know, Chris, is there
Speaker 1: there are mandates from the commissions that they not speak
Speaker 1: because they don't want to put guys in pressure. They're
Speaker 1: not used to dealing with reporters. Just send the referee
Speaker 1: out there. Though, like Jersey will Well, we saw how
Speaker 1: that went. Didn't go well? Okay? I mean you know again,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the Gary Russell on the Gary Russell undercard,
Speaker 1: and those are some of the most bizarre explanations I've
Speaker 1: ever heard. But like I want that. I kind of
Speaker 1: like if you if you're not confident enough to do this,
Speaker 1: it's great for the theater of boxing, it's not great
Speaker 1: for you know, having faith in commission that the referee
Speaker 1: who you're speaking about, was looking at the replay on
Speaker 1: a gig a screen that's bigger than this room, and
Speaker 1: was literally saying that what everyone else saw happened didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So you put that guy in a position where now
Speaker 1: people think he's a clown. Like, no, now people don't
Speaker 1: take him. It was absurd what he was saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he was. I was like, but that's
Speaker 1: why they don't want to put people in positions that
Speaker 1: they're not accustomed to being. You don't want a guy
Speaker 1: to say the wrong thing or maybe you know, if
Speaker 1: they feel like they're being accused of something, they might
Speaker 1: react in a negative way and they just how about this? Then?
Speaker 1: How about this? Is the NBA? You can't talk to referees, right,
Speaker 1: you just walk up to X referee and ask questions.
Speaker 1: What you can do, though, is afterwards there is a
Speaker 1: pool reporter, and I think there's no other sports as well,
Speaker 1: but you have one reporter designated to go into a
Speaker 1: referees locker room and ask them about something like like
Speaker 1: a controversial call of some sort or someone being abjected
Speaker 1: or something like what did you, you know, say for
Speaker 1: Glenn Felton, for example, you walk go in there and
Speaker 1: you say a lot of people have to score. Why
Speaker 1: the other way? What were you seeing? Just two or
Speaker 1: three questions? And let that be the end of I
Speaker 1: think grown men or women are able to handle that.
Speaker 1: Like I I'd like to believe they could handle that.
Speaker 1: And and you would like to see accountability from people
Speaker 1: who were deciding people's careers that the amounts of the
Speaker 1: amounts of money people are making end. Now, let's not
Speaker 1: ignore the fact that that gambling has become such a
Speaker 1: factor in every professional support, including boxing. Like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: bet on boxing if I were a fan, because you know,
Speaker 1: there are too many variables that could a guy wins
Speaker 1: nine rounds and suddenly he loses the fight and you
Speaker 1: lose all this It's crazy a lot of money. When
Speaker 1: Paul Williams beat Arioslandy Laura that night, Jersey may he
Speaker 1: rest in peace. That was I remember Dan Goose and
Speaker 1: coming there to ringside and being a fiasco at ringside.
Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, I mean you would like to
Speaker 1: see more accountability. That's a that's a fair point, Chris.
Speaker 1: But I just think they just don't want to put
Speaker 1: guys in positions that they're not accustomed to. And but
Speaker 1: you know, again, when people are paying their hard earned money,
Speaker 1: and you know for pay per view, whether they're gambling
Speaker 1: on the fight, paying tickets, there should be more accountability.
Speaker 1: I think that's some kinds definitely a fair way to
Speaker 1: look at it, all right with it? When it comes
Speaker 1: to questions, to go back to the original topic, the
Speaker 1: biggest question I have is how does golof can handle
Speaker 1: the body attack because in the second fight against Canelo,
Speaker 1: but numbers reflected he went to the body and he
Speaker 1: was effective. Since then, cannell our, Golofkin has looked vulnerable
Speaker 1: to big body shots, whether it was derev and Schenko
Speaker 1: or hurt him in that fight with body shots. Maratta,
Speaker 1: you alluded to early on that. I think it was
Speaker 1: the third round he had Golofkin with a big shot
Speaker 1: to the body. Gnati stepped back, took a deep breath,
Speaker 1: and uh continued on. But I had a chance to
Speaker 1: ask Golofkin and Jonathan Banks this week about concern about that.
Speaker 1: How do they adjust to that? And they were pretty
Speaker 1: dismissive of Ganattis vulnerability there. Maybe they're just saying that
Speaker 1: to me, Maybe they have a plan to protect the midsection,
Speaker 1: do something differently to make sure you don't get beat up.
Speaker 1: But if they don't, I think that's a tactical mistake.
Speaker 1: I think Canello is gonna zero in on that midsection.
Speaker 1: He's gonna target it, he's gonna throw bombs at it.
Speaker 1: And look we we don't. I think neither one of
Speaker 1: us believe Ganatti is getting stopped with a headshot, like
Speaker 1: he's just too strong and uh got too good at chin.
Speaker 1: But you land enough body shots on a guy that
Speaker 1: hasn't already weakened the mid section, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem for him. So that to me is a big
Speaker 1: the biggest question in the rank. How does Ganati hold
Speaker 1: up to those body attacks? You know the old boxing adages.
Speaker 1: Chrystal One likes it to the body, of course, and
Speaker 1: as you it never forgets Sergio tells about all the times,
Speaker 1: like when you once you get hurt there, it never
Speaker 1: goes away from a psychological standpoint also, so, um, well,
Speaker 1: he better do something. I hope, I hope after eight
Speaker 1: or nine weeks in training camp they devise some sort
Speaker 1: of strategy to prevent that happening, because, as you said,
Speaker 1: that's the only path to Canelo winning by stoppage. I
Speaker 1: think because as you he's got a granite chin, and
Speaker 1: he and we've taken him, see we've seen him take
Speaker 1: some bombs and fights where you're like, holy well, how
Speaker 1: is he walking through this? And he and he always
Speaker 1: has against pretty big punchers, you know, including Canelo. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they I hope they have some strategy devised to do
Speaker 1: it because otherwise, I mean, it could be a real
Speaker 1: problem for him. You know. Banks said to me, He's like,
Speaker 1: we don't see it as I think he's had a
Speaker 1: risk factor all right. It feels risky to me. It
Speaker 1: feels like that's where you're going to get hit and
Speaker 1: if you're not protecting it. I mean, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been anyone you can knocked out. But
Speaker 1: I can still hear the Matthew maclickbody shot ringing in
Speaker 1: my ear at Foxwood's that time, what eight nine years ago? Right?
Speaker 1: But look, Banks is a cerebral guy. I'm sure they've
Speaker 1: dotted all their eyes and crossed all their teas and
Speaker 1: maybe they're just not gonna They're not gonna tell us
Speaker 1: maybe exactly what we asked the direct questions, dare they
Speaker 1: not do that. Um. I asked Sergio this week, can
Speaker 1: ask you the same question. Who needs this fight more?
Speaker 1: Who is this fight more important to? Uh? Cannello, You
Speaker 1: would have to say just in although he won the
Speaker 1: second fight, and he's the only one officially who has
Speaker 1: won one of the fights, he's got more to lose
Speaker 1: because if glove Can loses, well, he's supposed to. Cannello
Speaker 1: is at least a five to one favorite according to
Speaker 1: most of the reputable sports books right now. Maybe that'll
Speaker 1: change a little bit, will fluctuate a little bit before
Speaker 1: the fight, but those are pretty wide odds for two
Speaker 1: guys who have been so completely competitive in their first
Speaker 1: two fights. So he's supposed to. He's forty, he's fighting
Speaker 1: at a hundred and sixty eight pounds for the first time.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he lost the Derevian Chanco fights,
Speaker 1: you know, since the last time he fought Canelo Um.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of factors working against Triple G.
Speaker 1: So people, I think the public perception is is that
Speaker 1: he's going to lose this fight. So if he loses,
Speaker 1: he'll have made you know, more than twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: and gant and guarantee and Uh, you know, gotten the
Speaker 1: third the third fight that he always wanted, the fight
Speaker 1: that he was promised when he signed with the Zone,
Speaker 1: that it's finally happening three and a half years after
Speaker 1: he signed that contract. So he's getting what he wants.
Speaker 1: But Canelo, if he loses this fight, um, he'll have
Speaker 1: lost to a forty year old guy who's fighting at
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty eight pounds for the first time,
Speaker 1: who probably lost the Derevian Chanco two and a half
Speaker 1: whatever it was three years ago, two years ago, um, three,
Speaker 1: three years ago. Um, So he's got more and and
Speaker 1: then he'll have lost for the first time. He'll have
Speaker 1: lost back to back fights. He's never been in that
Speaker 1: position before. So he would then go from being the
Speaker 1: consensus pound for pound king of boxing to having lost
Speaker 1: back to back fights to Dmitri Bivall, who was around
Speaker 1: I think he was a four to one favorite over
Speaker 1: Bivall too, which was clearly too wide. But then he
Speaker 1: have lost back to back fights to Bivall into Glovekin,
Speaker 1: who he was heavily favorite to beat. Uh where does
Speaker 1: he go from there? Because then no one wants to
Speaker 1: seem fight biva All again? Right, he would. Honestly, if
Speaker 1: you had to make a comparison, he would kind of
Speaker 1: enter Anthony Joshua territory where it's like you're a big star,
Speaker 1: but you might have to rebuild a little bit. You
Speaker 1: might be talking about you taking lesser fight before going
Speaker 1: into maybe a fourth fight with the Only thing that
Speaker 1: I would say, uh in comparing Cannello to Joshua, is
Speaker 1: Cannello was accomplished a lot more, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua was an enormous star. I'm not saying he isn't.
Speaker 1: But if you compare their resumes, they're kind of resumes.
Speaker 1: I'm more like where they go after back to back losses.
Speaker 1: Like if we'll get to this, but if the Joshua
Speaker 1: Fury fight doesn't happen, which I still don't believe, um,
Speaker 1: you'll probably see Joshua fighting a lower level guy in
Speaker 1: December January. It's sort of like a rebuilding stage of
Speaker 1: his career as he bounces back most two losses. I
Speaker 1: feel like you put it this way. In Cannell's next fight,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect it to be a killer. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: expect Golofkin Part four. I wouldn't expect evil part two.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect one of the top guys at eight.
Speaker 1: I would expect something a little lower. You disagree, well,
Speaker 1: I know he certainly if he loses the Glovekin, that's
Speaker 1: not going to sit well with him, and he would
Speaker 1: do everything in his power to try to get the
Speaker 1: fourth fight right away. I just think from a psychological standpoint.
Speaker 1: But glove And would suddenly be in the driver's seat
Speaker 1: for the first time. He's never had the leverage in
Speaker 1: this situation, and he might just pull a Marcus. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's gonnaknock Canello out obviously, but certainly not
Speaker 1: knocked him unconscious. But he would finally have the power
Speaker 1: and he might say, well, I'm not going to fight
Speaker 1: him again. I don't need to. I'll go fight because
Speaker 1: he said, Look, what he said yesterday to us was
Speaker 1: that this is his last fight with his own. Now
Speaker 1: he signed a six fight contract with his own. This
Speaker 1: is only the fifth fight, he said emphatically yesterday, this
Speaker 1: is my last fight with his own. If that is true. Okay,
Speaker 1: So if so, if that's true, I could easily see
Speaker 1: him if he were to win the fight, and he says,
Speaker 1: I this guy, I'm not doing this again. He can
Speaker 1: he can go eat that for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: That I beat him in the left drive Canello crazy? Correct?
Speaker 1: All right? So then I could see him dropping back
Speaker 1: down the middle weight and then going, you know, give
Speaker 1: an al haim and a call, say you want to
Speaker 1: make this Charlo fight. Let's go make this Charlo fight,
Speaker 1: and then he you know, works come up with a
Speaker 1: lot of money to me. And I don't think Charlo
Speaker 1: would do that next, even if even if Glove can
Speaker 1: one on Saturday night and wanted to do that next,
Speaker 1: because Charlo hasn't fought in a very long time, and
Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't seem based on what I was told
Speaker 1: that this Celeski fight is going to be rescheduled anytime soon,
Speaker 1: so he would have to get some kind of fight
Speaker 1: in between before that would happen. But the point is
Speaker 1: is that Golovkin would have many more options, but particularly
Speaker 1: because he owns if you count the ib OH, he
Speaker 1: he owns three middleweight titles, and he could go fight
Speaker 1: Charlo in a big fight. Well, Andreid is not the
Speaker 1: middleweight champion, not that he would. He They've made it
Speaker 1: clear they want they don't want I'm sorry, sorry I
Speaker 1: mentioned the A word on this podcast. I don't get
Speaker 1: you on Andreid rabbit hole. But um, but there are
Speaker 1: options for him, as I guess what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: and he would be the fully unified super middleweight champion.
Speaker 1: So if he were, if he were comfortable at that weight, well,
Speaker 1: he could fight a multitude of super middleways he could fight.
Speaker 1: He could call Al Hayman and go fight galb Plant.
Speaker 1: If Plant winds up beating uh Durrell and his next
Speaker 1: fight David Benavite, that's a much riskier fight, I think
Speaker 1: for for Glofkin, but that's certainly available to him. I
Speaker 1: agree that there's a lot at stake for Canelo, but
Speaker 1: I have a bit of a different take on Gallofkin
Speaker 1: because I've been reading a lot and hearing a lot
Speaker 1: this week about no matter what happens in this fight,
Speaker 1: Ganadi Golofkin is gonna walk into the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: on the first ballot. I kind of sort of shrug
Speaker 1: a little bit at that, because, look, he's got a
Speaker 1: great record. Um, he is undoubtedly one of the most
Speaker 1: entertaining fighters of this generation. But when I look at
Speaker 1: his resume, I see Daniel Jacobs, I see David Lemieux,
Speaker 1: I see Sergei Derevinschenko. I don't see a depth of
Speaker 1: quality wins, and I think that to me, that is
Speaker 1: a variable. When you start talking about fighters and there
Speaker 1: candidacy for the Hall of Fame, I just I I
Speaker 1: need this. I want to see three, four, five quality
Speaker 1: high level wins. Now, I will acknowledge readily that for
Speaker 1: six years he chased all the top guys, longer like
Speaker 1: Chase Felix Stern before he came to the US. He's
Speaker 1: been chasing the top guys forever. Sergery and Martinez avoided him,
Speaker 1: Miguel Codo avoided him. Cannello, even for a couple of
Speaker 1: years longer than people wanted, didn't want to fight him,
Speaker 1: or at least Oscar Deltoy at that time didn't want
Speaker 1: Canello fighting Golofkin. But in the last three years he
Speaker 1: has had opportunities to burnish his resume. He could have
Speaker 1: fought Andreid, he could have fought Charlo, He could have
Speaker 1: fought him Gia, which would have been a reasonably high
Speaker 1: level win. He didn't. Look it's a business. He clearly
Speaker 1: made the right decision because he's gonna get paid an
Speaker 1: excess of twenty million dollars probably for for this fight.
Speaker 1: But there's a consequence for that, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: it gets taken into account that when Golof can have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to fight all the big fights he was
Speaker 1: clamoring for early, he didn't do it. And that that
Speaker 1: to me, that that that is going to be a
Speaker 1: factor when Hall of Fame consideration comes around. So this
Speaker 1: is a hot take from Chris Mannix that Gnadi Glovkin
Speaker 1: is not a first balltot Hall of Fame. Well again,
Speaker 1: as you know, because the Hall of Fame is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: This is not the baseball Hall of Fame, by the way,
Speaker 1: No it's not. It's the Hall of Fame where three
Speaker 1: guys get in every year no matter what. So you know,
Speaker 1: if there's a year where there's no top guys, Mo,
Speaker 1: Larry and Curly are getting in. Um shout out by
Speaker 1: the way to Ivan called aroun I' gonna keep gooting
Speaker 1: for you every year until you get in. Uhds I
Speaker 1: love Ivan called her own like he was great back
Speaker 1: in the day. He's got it. Actually not to go
Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole, but he's kind of a bar
Speaker 1: from me, like you gotta be better. Ivan called her
Speaker 1: own to get into the Hall of Fame on my ballot.
Speaker 1: Guy that was for six years like the best little
Speaker 1: man in all of boxing. So but that that to me?
Speaker 1: Is it? Like with with the understanding the boxing Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame is goofy in that way, Like do I
Speaker 1: look at Golofka as as ballot Hall of Famer? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I I don't see the quality wins on
Speaker 1: the recipal. Here's what I would say. I think he's
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer one because the standards
Speaker 1: are simply lower for the boxing Hall of Fame than
Speaker 1: they are, particularly for the baseball Hall of Fame. Right,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the probably the most stringent And would
Speaker 1: you not argue the best like I think base you
Speaker 1: get in consistent, you know, because of the right with obviously,
Speaker 1: but like I like it, every year, you have to
Speaker 1: get seventy on the phone. Um, it's got to be
Speaker 1: a consensus that you get in. He he does not
Speaker 1: officially have a win against the guy who was the
Speaker 1: pound for pound king, but he but he won. I
Speaker 1: think most people would agree that he won the first
Speaker 1: fight the driving Chanko. Now, look, driving Chanko has lost
Speaker 1: a lot of fights against top level guys in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, but he's a top level middleweight
Speaker 1: and that dog fight, to me was the fight of
Speaker 1: the year in two thousand nineteen. He did win the
Speaker 1: fight officially. Um, well, it's but another one where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know I had, I think I had when it
Speaker 1: was a close fight, and and look, I know people
Speaker 1: don't want to hear excuses, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make an excuse for Glovegin. Their contention is that he
Speaker 1: was sick the whole fight week. Maybe he might not
Speaker 1: even should have thought. I've heard that like gabriel Otto,
Speaker 1: he was sick, like I said, And people don't want
Speaker 1: to hear excuses. Fighters go into fights injured all the
Speaker 1: time and have many things going on in their heads
Speaker 1: that they never tell people about, you know, family problems
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I understand that. But but but the
Speaker 1: Reverend Chanco win, which is officially a win as a
Speaker 1: good win in my opinion, Um, you know, two very
Speaker 1: close back and forth fights with an elite, elite level
Speaker 1: fighter who became the pound for pound king. Um, he
Speaker 1: was he had some version of a middleweight title for
Speaker 1: a very long time. Um. So, I, for whatever it's worth,
Speaker 1: I think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. But
Speaker 1: um would it if he beats Canello convincingly on Saturday?
Speaker 1: Of course, of course and he becomes undisputed champi at
Speaker 1: and of course you know that would strengthen his legacy.
Speaker 1: There's no denying that, um. But you do make a
Speaker 1: good point about, you know, having because I was flat
Speaker 1: out told that. They basically told that. His people told
Speaker 1: his own we're not fighting Demetrius Andrew stop asking us
Speaker 1: about that. Is that is actually almost close to verbatim,
Speaker 1: I believe, so if I'm not mistaken, And that's unfortunate
Speaker 1: for Andreid because he's never really gotten the type of
Speaker 1: opportunities that we would have liked to have seen him
Speaker 1: received over the last few years. But so, yeah, so
Speaker 1: he didn't fight him. I'm not going to say that
Speaker 1: him not fighting Charlo is his fault necessarily. I mean, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. Although I Charlo would have been the one
Speaker 1: where if you were going to get kind of a
Speaker 1: cross promotional deal done, I feel like Hayman would have
Speaker 1: been more open to that to get him in with
Speaker 1: Coaloftin to get that team making opportunity. I feel like
Speaker 1: that was was doable and and look, Mangia was doable.
Speaker 1: That that one is the most surprising because Mangia, like Magee,
Speaker 1: is beatable. He's really good when gotta fight something, conversation,
Speaker 1: He's gonna go forever. Didn't kind of the second tier guys.
Speaker 1: But I just you know, I I guess in a way,
Speaker 1: I would never hold the first like six seven years
Speaker 1: of gallopkins us career against him because he tried. Tom
Speaker 1: Laffer tried, they were HBO tried, They were doing everything
Speaker 1: they can to get the top guys in the ring
Speaker 1: with him. All of them passed. But I have to
Speaker 1: I kind of believe the last few years when he
Speaker 1: was making business decisions have to be taken into account.
Speaker 1: Like he all the fights he was begging for, they
Speaker 1: were there, you know, Charlo, Andreid Mongia, I don't know
Speaker 1: who else is out there. He chose not to do him.
Speaker 1: He could have gotten out of the zero Metta mandatory
Speaker 1: by fighting Andred if you wanted to, you can do
Speaker 1: a unification fight that would have been makable. You know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Chris, because I think what he was really
Speaker 1: doing there, and he obviously has never said this to me,
Speaker 1: but I think what he was doing there was he
Speaker 1: was guaranteed a certain amount of money for the zero
Speaker 1: Meta fight, which he did not get. It was renegotiated
Speaker 1: and he still got a lot of money for fighting
Speaker 1: Camille Zaromata in front of no one because it was
Speaker 1: in the heart of the pandemic and every thing, and
Speaker 1: he was his mandatur. But I think he was in
Speaker 1: that case he was trying to prove a point to
Speaker 1: the Zone because he wasn't getting He thought he would
Speaker 1: have gotten the Canelo fight at that point, which was
Speaker 1: what he was promised when he signed this contract with
Speaker 1: the Zone. So I think there was a little back
Speaker 1: and forth there between them where he where he demanded
Speaker 1: the Zara Metta fight because he felt like he wasn't
Speaker 1: being treated fairly with Canelo. Now that not is not
Speaker 1: necessarily the Zone's fault. They were told something by a
Speaker 1: Golden Boy that was not true. So they were operating
Speaker 1: under the premise that that they could deliver Canelo and
Speaker 1: that they would make this fight, which obviously didn't happen,
Speaker 1: and then he separated from Golden Boy, and you know,
Speaker 1: all the things that we know have happened. But just
Speaker 1: to clear one thing up, I'm pretty sure you know
Speaker 1: this as well. If the pandemic had not happened, they
Speaker 1: were going to fight in the fall, like that was
Speaker 1: gonna happen. The way it was set up was glaf
Speaker 1: was gonna fight Zara Metta in March, Canelo was gonna
Speaker 1: fight I believe Saunders in May, and the two were
Speaker 1: gonna meet in September. That as far as I understand,
Speaker 1: that was all but agreed to their Canello would come
Speaker 1: off his issues with Golofkin at that time and he
Speaker 1: was going to fight him back then. So you know,
Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth, that fight was going to happen
Speaker 1: in September. Yeah, And there was a point, like I
Speaker 1: said that Golovkin was the one, so I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: fight Canelo. So then people are saying, well you want
Speaker 1: the fighter, you don't. And but I do think there
Speaker 1: was something internally going on between him and his own
Speaker 1: and that's more what that was about than him not
Speaker 1: actually wanting to fight Cannello, because of course he wants
Speaker 1: to fight Conelli wants to avenge his only loss and
Speaker 1: make more money. He's clearly going to make more money
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night than he made fighting any of the
Speaker 1: other guys he's fought since he fought Canello the last time.
Speaker 1: No question, smart business decision. But you know when when
Speaker 1: given the opportunity to fight these top guys, he chose
Speaker 1: not to, And I just I just that that counts
Speaker 1: for me as a variable in all this last thing
Speaker 1: on Golofkin. What do you make of kind of this
Speaker 1: sort of heal turn he's made in recent years there
Speaker 1: become a little more surly, you know, still affable at times,
Speaker 1: but like you know, it just feels like he's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different guy. In the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. He's surly towards Canelo. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: sense that he's really surly towards other people. I got, well,
Speaker 1: he was kind of surly toward competres. But but but uh,
Speaker 1: beyond beyond that, I mean, I don't, I don't really
Speaker 1: see him. It's interesting in that if Cannello continues to
Speaker 1: say the reason that he doesn't like Kannadie Glovecan more
Speaker 1: than anything is because he thinks he's a phony, that
Speaker 1: he portrays this public persona of being this nice guy
Speaker 1: and you know, smiling all the time, and you know
Speaker 1: Mexican style and what all the things that he's been
Speaker 1: parting for the last you know, ten or twelve years
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Um so he thinks he's a
Speaker 1: phony and that he's not really a good guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't spend a lot of
Speaker 1: time around Ganadi Glovecan other than fight weeks and everything.
Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe he's a bad guy
Speaker 1: per se. But um uh, but what he's but he's
Speaker 1: promoting the fights too, right, It's it's general the positive
Speaker 1: drug test stuff like in fairness, why shouldn't he Because
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, once you have that stain on
Speaker 1: your record, it doesn't go away. And some people are
Speaker 1: willing to forget it and some people aren't. And if
Speaker 1: I'm risking my life against this guy three times, I'm
Speaker 1: not forgetting it. And he knows. The other thing is
Speaker 1: he knows it gets under his skin, so he's going
Speaker 1: to continue to do it because he knows he's pissing
Speaker 1: him off. So if you know you can get a
Speaker 1: rise out of someone like that, and you and intensely
Speaker 1: dislike that person, why wouldn't you do it in fairness
Speaker 1: to Glovekan like he was. Whatever the excuses, Mexican street meat, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever they've come up with. Um, the bottom line is
Speaker 1: he failed to drug tests before he was supposed to
Speaker 1: fight Gnadie Glovekan the second time. That's indisputable. And if
Speaker 1: I'm Gonnadie Glovekan, I'm not letting that go. And he's
Speaker 1: most certainly not at this point. Um, and it's certainly
Speaker 1: fair play by him. Alright, couple of the things I
Speaker 1: want to hit you with before we go. ESPN on
Speaker 1: Thursday reporting that turns Crawford Errol Spence materially agree two
Speaker 1: terms on a deal. This has been something that UH
Speaker 1: has been reported on for over a month now. At
Speaker 1: this point, they're getting closer, getting closer, getting closer. Um,
Speaker 1: should we get excited at this point for November nine?
Speaker 1: Spence against Crawford. UM? Do you believe we're at that
Speaker 1: proverbial five yard line? I think they're going to fight
Speaker 1: November nine. I've thought that all along. I just think
Speaker 1: that there's too much money at stake for both guys. Uh.
Speaker 1: The alternatives or Crawford are not great. The alternatives for
Speaker 1: Spence are not what what are going to be palatable
Speaker 1: for the public, but they're better than what Crawford's options
Speaker 1: are the right and Thurman is a known fighter and
Speaker 1: people and people have wanted to see them fight for
Speaker 1: a number of years. Although Thurman's deteriorated a little bit
Speaker 1: um so he has more options than Crawford. So I
Speaker 1: just always kind of thought that Crawford eventually is just
Speaker 1: going to whatever. Whenever they get to the point where
Speaker 1: it's like either now or never, he's going to accept
Speaker 1: the deal, just because even if he has to take
Speaker 1: less of a percentage or take less of a guarantee
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, all the things that have been
Speaker 1: hanging up the deal, you know, the rematch percentages, all
Speaker 1: of that stuff, Right, Like, he would eventually just accept
Speaker 1: what he had to accept one because he thinks he's
Speaker 1: gonna beat Errol Spence. Of course too, because he's gonna
Speaker 1: make less than half a third to fight anyone else.
Speaker 1: And then who is he fighting all the well, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. All the rest of the welterweights relevant welter
Speaker 1: rates for the most part or with PBC. Now Boots
Speaker 1: Ennis is not with PBC, but Terrence Crawford is not
Speaker 1: gonna fight Boots Ennis if he's not going to fight ERL.
Speaker 1: Spence Jr. So the alternative probably is Virgil Ortiz, who
Speaker 1: is his mandatory. Um, that's a tough I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Crawford a lot less money, which is Crawford in my
Speaker 1: opinion if he if he fought Virgil Ortiz tomorrow, he
Speaker 1: would win. But it's a dangerous fight and for a
Speaker 1: lot less money. So eventually he's just gonna have He
Speaker 1: doesn't like the fact and doesn't trust the fact that
Speaker 1: this is a PBC event basically, and he's not a
Speaker 1: PBC guy. He came from top rank and now he's
Speaker 1: a free agent. He's mistrustful of a lot of things
Speaker 1: and that's been part of the negotiations as well, like
Speaker 1: worrying about all the things, uh about every little detail
Speaker 1: about fight week, making sure everything is on point because
Speaker 1: he's just mistrustful. I don't know if you think someone's
Speaker 1: gonna poise as water or what exactly, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things going on behind the scenes that have
Speaker 1: been stumbling up. He's guy right from the beginning. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying All's gonna do anything, but but but but
Speaker 1: his Uh, hesitation is understandable because he's not one of
Speaker 1: their guys. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna cater to
Speaker 1: Spence more than they're gonna cater to him, so he
Speaker 1: wants to be you know, compensated financially for that. Um.
Speaker 1: But I do think eventually they're going to get to
Speaker 1: the finish line here. It's my understanding that they're not
Speaker 1: there yet exactly, um, but that they will get there.
Speaker 1: The fight is going to happen November nineteenth, which is
Speaker 1: what kind of what I thought all along, because some
Speaker 1: people you know on Twitter and all, you know, not
Speaker 1: reporters necessarily, but just people, well it's too late for
Speaker 1: then why is it too late? It's it's September. It
Speaker 1: you want more than two months, and you don't need
Speaker 1: to promote it all that much. And if the days,
Speaker 1: as you know, the days of like multi city press
Speaker 1: tours are gone, you only do that, right it happens infrequently.
Speaker 1: You don't even need to do them necessarily. They have
Speaker 1: they have time to train for two full months for
Speaker 1: the fight, and I would have to believe that both
Speaker 1: of them are in some semblance of training now thinking
Speaker 1: that the fight is going to happen, so that's not
Speaker 1: really an issue. They're gonna do one press conference. They're
Speaker 1: not going to do a multi city like you just
Speaker 1: said though. Those days are long gone. Um, so there's
Speaker 1: no real Like if if they announced the fight ten
Speaker 1: days from now, well, are people are not going to
Speaker 1: buy the fight because it wasn't announced until September you need.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was six weeks, I'd say, all right, maybe,
Speaker 1: but it's twelve at this time or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and there is more than enough time. I wonder what
Speaker 1: network it winds up on. I mean Showtime and Fox
Speaker 1: are still the PPC. When this all was kind of
Speaker 1: breaking down, Keith, one thing that popped into my mind
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if they'd push it to like February,
Speaker 1: because Fox is a super Bowl this year, and if
Speaker 1: they did with Fox, you could use that platform to
Speaker 1: promote it. But it does sound like the nineteenth is
Speaker 1: what they're timeeting, and in terms of which network winds
Speaker 1: up distributing it, I would be surprised if it weren't Showtime,
Speaker 1: just because all of the PBC inventory has been shifted
Speaker 1: to Showtime. Foxes for all intents and purposes out of
Speaker 1: boxing except doing the occasional pay per view. And this
Speaker 1: isn't just any old pay per view, this is the
Speaker 1: payer non heavyweight pay per view and boxing. I thought
Speaker 1: that too, But like Spence, I think all of his
Speaker 1: pay per views have been Fox or No the but
Speaker 1: the previous Danny Garcia was FOXOX. But but like if
Speaker 1: you don't, unless Al Hayman is trying now, look, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go where you get the better deal. I understand that.
Speaker 1: At the same time, you know, he has a much
Speaker 1: uh more profitable, better working relationship with Showtime now than
Speaker 1: he has with Fox. It looks like Fox is getting
Speaker 1: out of boxing. It looks like they're interested in doing
Speaker 1: the occasional pay per view that shouldn't be a pay
Speaker 1: per view, like Luis right, doesn't cost them much. They're
Speaker 1: not committing any money to boxing. So unless he's trying
Speaker 1: to unless Hayman, we're trying to not trying to get
Speaker 1: into the head of Al Hayman, because I who you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's That would be a good story right now.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I mean, he knows obviously, he knows
Speaker 1: how to move chess pieces and all and does all
Speaker 1: these things behind closed doors. But um, unless he's trying
Speaker 1: to salvage this relationship with Fox, which to my understanding
Speaker 1: is pretty much unsalvageable in that they're not going to
Speaker 1: do another multi fight contract with PBC. Then I don't
Speaker 1: understand why it wouldn't be on Showtime because I think Showtime,
Speaker 1: with its you know, with its reach with CBS and everything,
Speaker 1: can offer most of what Fox, if not all of
Speaker 1: what foxes uh providing from a promotional standpoint, because look
Speaker 1: what they did with the Caleb Plant fight with Canelo,
Speaker 1: right they they plastered it all over college football and NFL,
Speaker 1: and it did you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand buys and who who what mainstream sports
Speaker 1: fan knows? Which mainstream sports fan knows who Caleb Plant is?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, so they'll do. I
Speaker 1: do think there's a you know, a lower ceiling than
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand for as as big of a fight
Speaker 1: as it is in boxing circles, there is a lower
Speaker 1: ceiling at eight hundred thousand for for Spence and Crawford.
Speaker 1: I agree with that that much. I did read you
Speaker 1: read the story this week about Showtime potentially getting lumped
Speaker 1: in with paramount. This is not this is a full
Speaker 1: disclosure of paramount employee all that you know. So but
Speaker 1: uh nonsense? Is it just complete nonsense wall st journal Well,
Speaker 1: you know the thing is, I think they got tripped
Speaker 1: up on there were there were some long range talks
Speaker 1: about they're they're doing deals with particular providers, like their
Speaker 1: deal is up and everything, And there was something just
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned in passing that you know, eventually sometime
Speaker 1: down the road maybe something like that could have like
Speaker 1: it was, it's not, it's nothing concrete. Now. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: no high level paramount executive by any stretch. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to make it like I'm in these uh in
Speaker 1: on these decisions or anything is obviously I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a boxing writer, for God's sake. What the moment cares?
Speaker 1: What I think? Probably, But but why would if Showtime
Speaker 1: has roughly thirty million subscribers, why would you disband it?
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. They they also produce some for
Speaker 1: the way, it was explained to me somewhere in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood of two billion dollars and profits for the company
Speaker 1: every year. Why would you get rid of that? It's insane.
Speaker 1: Cord Cutter's baby's going. I mean, but what I would
Speaker 1: understand it if in in this is not a television
Speaker 1: we're not the television insiders now. But the point is
Speaker 1: if they at some point made Showtime and Paramount plus
Speaker 1: the stream the same streaming service, you know, if they
Speaker 1: if available for one price, I could see that happening eventually.
Speaker 1: But now you're you're still getting to subscriptions and bundling
Speaker 1: it into one, and you're still making more money. So
Speaker 1: I don't really know why you would get rid of
Speaker 1: and Showtimes a pretty long established brand. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: you know, they've been in boxing for thirty five thirty whatever,
Speaker 1: thirty seven years or what ever. So not that boxing
Speaker 1: is the highest priority of Paramount Global, but but I've
Speaker 1: done it well for for many years. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: didn't didn't make a lot of sense to me at
Speaker 1: the time why they would do that. But the way
Speaker 1: it was explained to me by people who know much
Speaker 1: more from internally in the company, nonsense, Like it's just
Speaker 1: dead wrong. All right on that I was speaking of nonsense. Uh.
Speaker 1: Eddie Hern is here this week and he's getting asked
Speaker 1: a lot about Tyson Fury versus Anthony Joshua so Anthony
Speaker 1: Joshua was and Eddie Hearn's treatment of the Fury quote offer.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot for people that watch Seinfeld
Speaker 1: of when George Costanza told Susan Ross's parents he had
Speaker 1: a house in the Hamptons and they went to go
Speaker 1: visit him. Right, so bear with him here, bear with me.
Speaker 1: So they says, I got a house and said we'll go,
Speaker 1: and he says, and he starts telling all these lies
Speaker 1: as he's driving to the happens that he parks the
Speaker 1: car and says, we gotta walk this far. It's just
Speaker 1: it feels like Eddie in a j are trying to
Speaker 1: call the bluff of Tyson Fury and Frank Warrant like
Speaker 1: it's it can't be as simple as a fight like
Speaker 1: this getting done for it can't. I mean, we both remember,
Speaker 1: we both covered how complicated the deal that was going
Speaker 1: to be in the Middle East was for Joshua versus Fury.
Speaker 1: I mean, Eddie hern agonized over that deal. Um, I
Speaker 1: just can't believe it's as simple as Principally Stadium in
Speaker 1: Cardiff December three split on the part of Tyson Fury,
Speaker 1: with the winner having the option of reversing it and
Speaker 1: getting a difference. I just I just don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this, but I
Speaker 1: just don't believe that that fight is gonna happen. Well, first,
Speaker 1: as a huge Seinfeld fan, love the Costanza reference. I've
Speaker 1: got two silariums. Yeah, exactly, And if you want to
Speaker 1: turn it up a notch, baby, exactly. Um, it seems
Speaker 1: like entirely too complicated of a deal to put together
Speaker 1: in a relatively short amount of time. December three is
Speaker 1: not that far away. Um, I don't see it. And
Speaker 1: I do agree with you in some sense, they're calling
Speaker 1: their bluff, okay, okay, all right? Well, and if you're
Speaker 1: if you're, why would you say no to it? I
Speaker 1: mean you're you've lost back to back fights decisively to
Speaker 1: the other. Like I kind of feel the different way,
Speaker 1: Like it's like Joshua is now, like I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna stick with Robert Garcia, stick with Aga
Speaker 1: Fernaniz to go with a different direction. But it feels
Speaker 1: like Joshua needs to not rebuild over the course of
Speaker 1: multiple years. But how would you take a nice easy
Speaker 1: whatever in December? How would you fight Dillion White in
Speaker 1: the first quarter of next year, and then I know
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury is the equivalent of boxing a d D.
Speaker 1: So let him fight like Derek Sora in December if
Speaker 1: he wants to get a paid And now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you on that because Derek Justa for
Speaker 1: beating Kubra pool have better not get a title shot.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to put my foot down on that one.
Speaker 1: Not that anyone's listening to me exactly, but look, God
Speaker 1: bless Derek just Sor. He's entertaining and and he's some.
Speaker 1: But let's a great press conference. Great, Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: flip some tables and do some crazy stuff. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, lets everyone calm down. He he beat
Speaker 1: Kubra Pulev, who's not good and is forty plus years old.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that warrants getting a shot at
Speaker 1: the at the you know, one of the two heavyweight
Speaker 1: champions anyway. Um, what a lot of money in that
Speaker 1: fight to six to one by decision cash right there,
Speaker 1: like fail it. It's in an NBA Summer League watching
Speaker 1: that with a couple of guys press row. That was
Speaker 1: a blast. Um, you're just trying to promote your your
Speaker 1: your gambling picks on. Here's what you're doing. But but
Speaker 1: I don't see the fight coming together in that short
Speaker 1: of time. There's too many complications. There's two you know,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying about Joshua, But I've been
Speaker 1: hearing about Joshua, you know, fine tuning things, rebuilding, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah since he got knocked out by Andy Ruiz.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just is what he is. You could bring
Speaker 1: in trainers from all over the world. He's just going
Speaker 1: to fight the way that he fights. And maybe he
Speaker 1: realizes that to some extent, you know, maybe he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I could make an enormous amount of money for what
Speaker 1: would even though he's lost back to back fights to us,
Speaker 1: it would still be the biggest fight in British boxing history.
Speaker 1: Huge a long shot right by a country mile right, So, uh,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't he do it? You know, he's lost back
Speaker 1: to back fights. Maybe he doesn't want to. And maybe
Speaker 1: if you're Joshua, you've made so much money, um, you
Speaker 1: feel like, do I really want to go go to
Speaker 1: training camp and get motivated? Can I get motivated for fighting? Whatever? Guys,
Speaker 1: you're you know, whoever, it might be Otto, Volleen or whoever.
Speaker 1: And he's not gonna fight Southball probably But but my
Speaker 1: I'm not disparaging out of autobion challenges. Shout out to
Speaker 1: his PR people keep but what my point is, like
Speaker 1: a non champion, a guy who's not a star, how
Speaker 1: is he going to get up for those kinds of fights?
Speaker 1: So maybe he just feels like he he feels he
Speaker 1: can beat Fury. He's not looking at it like he's
Speaker 1: going to go in there and lose. I I think
Speaker 1: Fury beats Joshua, but it's an enormous event, and maybe
Speaker 1: he just doesn't want to waste time taking, you know,
Speaker 1: be in C level opponents because he won't be able
Speaker 1: to get up for them. And maybe he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to fight that much longer either. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: thirty two now, right, thirty two, He's gonna be thirty three,
Speaker 1: so maybe something. But um, he's getting a little older
Speaker 1: and he's made so much money he he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to fight anymore. So maybe, you know, from that perspective,
Speaker 1: maybe he would want to do it. But it's got
Speaker 1: that massive New dizone deal that is encompassing multiple fights.
Speaker 1: At least that's gonna pay him a lot of money. Well,
Speaker 1: that was a good business. He's still he's still not
Speaker 1: for not On mean for him, for him, it was well,
Speaker 1: I mean he still does pay per view buys. I'll
Speaker 1: give him that. Like, he'll still he could fight anybody
Speaker 1: and still draw crowd. He's still I would argue he's
Speaker 1: as popular as Fury in the UK is no. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and like you said about Cornello Canello before,
Speaker 1: he's like Joshua in that sense, Like if he were
Speaker 1: to lose to Glufkin on Saturday, he's still a superstar.
Speaker 1: He still has an entire country behind him and a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the US. So yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt about that. We have to see what he decides
Speaker 1: to do if that fight comes together. But more than
Speaker 1: anything else, I think we both agree, it's just it
Speaker 1: feels like it's it's happening too quickly. Like I'd love
Speaker 1: to believe that you could put together a fight of
Speaker 1: that magnitude as quickly as it seems to be coming together.
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that's possible. Also, Chris, you know,
Speaker 1: Tyson Fear is very entertaining. He's been great for boxing
Speaker 1: in many ways, but he goes on there every day
Speaker 1: and says something different. So like there's some days he's
Speaker 1: not fighting anymore, so challenging. He's challenging frances Nan, he's retiring,
Speaker 1: He's traveling to Iceland to challenge the mountain every week.
Speaker 1: It's something else, right, Yes, so he fights the mountain.
Speaker 1: I'll go to that. I'm all. I'm all in for
Speaker 1: Tyson theory versus the Mountain. Keith. Appreciate your time as
Speaker 1: pizza and next, lice on me when we come back.
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Speaker 1: the bet that I, like a lot of people are saying,
Speaker 1: Canello Alvarez gonna go for a knockout, gonna be the
Speaker 1: first guy to stop Gnarti Golofkin, And maybe he will be.
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