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All right, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.040 welcome back to another episode of Boxing with Chris Mannix, 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:16.039 part of the Volume Sports podcast network. We've got a 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.720 great show for you this week. I am in Las Vegas, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.880 the site of Canelo Triple G, the trilogy completing fight 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.840 between two of the biggest stars in boxing that will 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.440 go down Saturday night at T Mobile Arena live on 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.960 The Zone pay per view. I have been here all 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.280 week long. I have talked to the fighters, I have 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.640 talked to the trainers. I have talked to people that 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.119 know the fighters and the trainers, and I'm gonna break 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.000 down this fight from all angles with you. Keith Idek, 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.480 friend of the program boxing scene dot com. He is 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.120 going to join me and we're gonna have a pretty 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.920 robust discussion about this fight and exactly what it means 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.600 for both fighters and a reminder after the fight. I'm 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.880 gonna be coming to you with a bonus podcast the 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.080 Latin Snake himself, Sergio More. He is gonna join me 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.120 fresh from ringside to talk about what we saw on 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.440 Saturday night between Canelo and Triple G. All right, Keith Ideck, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.760 Boxing seam dot Com. I'm gonna give you an over 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.560 under how many slices of pizza do you think I've eaten? 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.040 This week? We're gonna say how many slices of pizza 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.359 have I eat in which I would it would have 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.880 been higher. Probably three days so far? Uh, three full days? 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:29.920 How many slice do you think? Ten? Wow, you went 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.400 higher seven seven slices of pizza, including two today. No, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.760 I do not want any more because I've brought over. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.600 I'm all set with pizza. We are in the MGM 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:45.640 Grand Press Center, the home areas. I'm getting heckled by 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:54.720 mid level PR staffers from side Fred Sternberg Fred friends 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.720 always heckling something like that. That's correct. Yes, I am 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.080 Greg Bishop's intern. We're here at the GIM Grand Press Center, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.079 the site of Gnati Golofkin, Cannelo Alvarez. The trilogy completing 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.720 third fight is Saturday. Can watch that fight onto his 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.200 own pay per view. All right, so let's just kind 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.320 of start here Keith with Cannello Golofkin. Like the the 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.320 buzz you're kind of feeling for this fight compared to 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.720 the previous two. You're at both those previous two fights. Um, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.120 how are you feeling going into this one compared to 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:27.079 the other two. Well, it's only Thursday, I guess, but 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.560 you know, more people are gonna filter into Las Vegas 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.280 over the next couple of days for Mexican Independence Day week, 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.160 and I'm sure they're weigh in will be wild tomorrow. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.400 Uh but they're The question is more like, is this 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:42.560 fight is compelling as the fight itself? Yeah, I mean 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.040 I think both are less compelling. I think that's probably 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.480 fair because four years have passed since the last fight. 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.960 You know, they've separated themselves in a variety of ways. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.880 Triple G is obviously forty years old, He's only fought 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.280 four times in the in the four years, somewhat pandemic 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.320 related um had COVID himself of course, so uh so 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.560 there there's less buzz. I mean's just just the way 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.839 it is. I mean, this fight, in my opinion, based 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.280 on people that I've spoken to, the pay per view 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.880 by rate, they're expecting to be lower than for Canelo 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.000 Alvarez's fight against Caleb Plant last year, which no one 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.360 would have said if they would have fought three years ago. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.440 Of course, Caleb Plant hadn't fought Canello, however, is at 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.760 that point, but no one would have said that Triple 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.599 G Canelo three would do less pay per view buys 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.960 than Caleb Plant Canelo Alvarez, No one would have No 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.960 one sane would have said that, and now that's being 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.479 discussed in boxing circles by people who know what they're 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.520 talking about, because the event is probably happening three years 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.480 later than it was supposed to have happened or should 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.600 have happened, and it's eighty five dollars, which is, you know, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.640 a pretty high price point, I suppose. But they are 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.440 still two of the biggest stars in the sport. Canelo 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.040 is the biggest star in the sport. Certainly in American boxing, 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.080 he's the biggest star, and the rivalry does mean something. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:00.960 People do want to see the third fight, and I 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.120 personally think the fight itself is going to be a 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.120 competitive fight. I don't see just because Triple G is 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.520 forty years old. I don't see Cannello alvare is coming 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.640 in there and running him out of the ring or 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.160 beating him up to the degree where he could potentially 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.480 stop him. I don't see that happening. I see a 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.680 maybe not as competitive of a fight as their second fight, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.040 but it's still a reasonably competitive fight that Cannelo Alvarez 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.760 will win by unanimous decisions. So what's the biggest question 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.520 for you coming into this fight. You've got some variables 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.640 out there, right, You mentioned the age of Gnati Golofkin, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.560 just months removed from turning forty years old. He has 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:41.360 been relatively inactive since that second fight against Cannello back 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.600 in the fall of two thousand eighteen is four and oh. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.280 Since then, he's reclaimed his middleweight title. He has unified. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.840 Is he that middleweight title? Well, hey, look, I was 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.240 on record thought he was three and one. I thought 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.480 he lost the Dervin Schenko fight, but judges gave it 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.240 to him. He's been on the wrong end of judging 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.720 as well, so we'll give him, uh that one. But 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.880 you know, he fought Derrevi and Jenko. Good fight, Steve Rolls, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.839 not so much, Camille Zarra Matta, thanks for coming, uh. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.520 And then you know riot To Murata, who I think 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.560 it's safe to say was the weakest of the middleweight 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.640 champions uh that were out there at the time. So 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.200 that's the Golfkin side, Canelo side. He's coming down from 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.560 one seventy five, he's coming off his first loss in 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.200 almost ten years. Like, what's the biggest question for you? 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.760 What are you looking for in this fight? Well, the 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.400 biggest questions for me are how is he going to 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.960 how is triple G going to compete with Canello now 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.800 that he's forty years old, because look, the first four 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.360 plus rounds of the Marata fight, we're not good for 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.200 Triple G. He got hit a lot, you know. Cannello 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:41.920 said the other day when I asked him about this, 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.919 he said he felt like Triple G. He didn't use 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.360 the word respect, but he felt like Triple G had 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.720 felt his power early in the fight, wasn't really all 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.120 that concerned about it, and maybe was a little lax defensively, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.520 which he would not do against Canello. Probably, um So, 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.359 maybe the performance wasn't quite as bad as it appeared. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.080 It was also his first fight in almost seventeen months. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.920 You know, he was rusty. You know, he hadn't fought 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.680 in a long time. He's fighting in his opponent's home country. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.560 There are a lot of variables there that could have 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.160 made it more more difficult for him than people expected. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.280 Of course, once he got into a rhythm and he 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.120 started busting up Marada, you know, he dominated him over 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.120 the last few rounds, dropped him and stopped him. And 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:20.720 I think it was the ninth round, I'm pretty sure. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.520 Um So, overall, a good performance. You know, he won 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.600 by technical knockout. He he was winning on all three 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.120 score cards, So it wasn't like he was behind in 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:31.840 the fight and came back and stopped him or anything. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.440 Not not a great performance. But but the questions that 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.880 we would be asking, quite naturally, Chris, is how is 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.040 he going to fight at forty years old against an 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.160 elite level opponent, which Marauda is not. You know, Cannell. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.040 No one's gonna confuse Cannello Alvarez for Rioto Marada. So 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.760 that's that's what we have to find out. Right at forty, 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.200 can he still be as competitive with someone as good 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.320 as Canello. Now he's gonna he's gonna use that power jab, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.080 which was really effective for him in the second fight. Um, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.280 he's gonna throw a lot of punches. You gonna throw 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.680 more punches than Canelo, even at forty. He's eight years older, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.960 but he's going to be more active just because that's 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.240 not the way Canelo fights for the most part. So 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.240 is that going to be enough to beat Canelo Alvarez? 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.280 I don't think so. Um, But look, Cannello is not invincible. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.320 We found that out four months ago. Right, he decisively 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.320 lost that fight. A lot of people thought uh, you know, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.720 the scores were entirely too close. I'm sure we'll get 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.120 into the score parks later. Um, but you know, he 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.959 he lost nine rounds probably, and it was still one 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.240 thirteen on all three cards, which I understand why Triple 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.280 G cannot make a public thing out of this, Like 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.120 he can't make it seem like it's on his mind. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.760 How could it not be on his mind? He won 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.439 the first fight, had to settle for a split draw. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.240 Second fight was very competitive. I thought Canelo one. I 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.760 understand the perspective of people who might think that Glove 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:57.560 can one, but I do think Cannello deserve the nod 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.120 in that fight. So in my mind, they're one and one, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.840 and this is kind of a unofficially a rubber match. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.360 But at forty years old and at a hundred and 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.360 sixty eight pounds for the first time a division in 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.880 which Canelo Alvarez has succeeded as much, he beat everyone, 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.880 cleaned out the whole division, beat a whole bunch of 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.599 undefeated champions. Some people might say those guys are not 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.520 you know, Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, Caleb Plant are 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.880 not elite level fighters, but they were world champions. They 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:24.920 were undefeated world champions when he beat them, and he 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.080 cleaned out the division and a very short amount of time. Yeah, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:33.480 the judging is interesting because if you're Golofkin, don't you 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.680 have to just kind of sell out in this fight, 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:40.840 Like you cannot count on getting a decision against Canelo 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.520 Alvarez in Vegas. I was with you. I forget. I 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.959 always scored the Beeble fight, but it was at least 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.839 eight four, maybe nine three in favor of people. The 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.160 fact that all three judges at one, whereas if one 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.040 round had flipped it would have been a draw in 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.719 that fight. That was wild. People deserved to win that fight. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.480 But if you look at the history of Cannelo in Vegas, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.839 he gets close decisions. Now that's not to say it 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.040 doesn't deserve to get them. I mean people can argue 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.559 aris Landy Laura may have beat Canello. I thought that 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.079 was a close fight, and you know, sometimes it goes 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.520 the other way. But you go back to even the losses, 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.400 whether it was the Beavil fight or the atrocious scorecard 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.400 we saw in the hey Weather fight where c J. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.880 Ross had it. Even a fight that Canello clearly lost, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.000 doesn't Golofkin, or shouldn't Golofkin have the mindset in this 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:26.719 fight where I gotta go for broke. I have to 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.880 try to knock this guy out because that will probably 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.240 be the only way I can win. I would say yes, Chris, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.839 except that he would then be exposing himself to getting 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.000 caught with something and being and finding himself in a 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.240 position that he's never found himself. And we've never seen 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:45.320 Ganadi Golofkin quote unquote hurt. I know he's felt particular 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.520 punches in his career and maybe masked it very well, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.880 but we haven't seen him knocked down, beaten up, or 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:51.800 anything like that. And if you take those kinds of 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.280 risks and just throw caution to the wind because of 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.400 what you're mentioning, which makes sense, but I don't know 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.440 that he can do and I don't know a speed. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.719 That's what I'm saying. I mean, you put yourself in 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.079 a position where you could get clipped with something that 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.840 could really get you knocked out, end your career, whatever 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.199 it might be, because Canelo is just too dangerous to 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.960 do that. But on the flip side, what you can't 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.040 go into this fight based on many of the things 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.319 that you just mentioned thinking that you're going to win 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.320 on the scorecards, whether that that's obviously unfair and shouldn't exist, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.800 but that's the subjective nature of scoring boxing, and for 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.480 whatever reason, Canelo Alvarez gets the benefit of the doubt 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:38.000 on the scorecards virtually every single time. The scorecards that C. J. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.120 Ross submitted for the Mayweather fight and Adelaide Bird even 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.760 more so for the first fight between Triple G and Canelo, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.440 are two of the worst scorecards in recent boxing history. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.280 Common denominator, obviously is Canelo, and people haven't forgotten any 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.400 of that. There's no way, for God's what I'm saying, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.199 No way Triple G has forgotten about that. Chris. What 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.959 I'll say this, I don't want to disparage guys who 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.319 are quality judges like Dave Moretti and Steve Weisfeld, but 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:13.400 I can't imagine that Triple G is okay with them 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.480 scoring the fight this fight. Because they both scored the 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:22.199 Bival Canelo fight one fifteen, one thirteen for Canelo. I 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.560 think we're all in agreement that that's that's just entirely 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.719 too close. They both scored uh Triple G Canelo a 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.560 one winner in their rematch not absurd by Monny Stretch. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.199 I mean it was a competitive fight. Could have you know, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.200 I think Canelo one I was fine with it one thirteen, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.440 Moretti did score uh. Weisfeld did not score their first fight, 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.959 but Moretti scored their first fight oneteen for triple G, 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.199 which probably makes him say, Okay, well, he's given me 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.959 a fair shake against Cannelo in the past and and 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.880 he I'm okay with him. But I don't know, man, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.520 like you're all right with the two guys who just scored. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.400 Not only not only did they all score uh bival 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.880 can l one thirteen for bibball. All three of them 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.480 gave the each of the first four rounds. I think 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.200 it was two too. I think through four much reasonable 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.559 worst case scenario three one. But you can if you 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.880 have no way to give him. Look, there's just no 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.679 way that he lost all four rounds and they were 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.280 in complete agreement on that. So it's almost like, I 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.480 don't know what to make of that when you have 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.400 not on four judges in complete agreement on four rounds 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.839 that clearly should not have been scored that way. Like 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.839 that to me, he's like, and I hate saying this. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.360 Because I've said many times and I think you'd agree. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.160 I think Steve Wisfeld is if he is one, if 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:36.800 not the best judge in all the boxing. He is, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.800 in my opinion, the gold standard. Dave already has been 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.400 around for a while, has been pretty consistent in terms 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.679 of high level. David Sutherland less so much, less much, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.920 But I think he's fine as a judge. It's just weird, 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.920 like whatever Cannelo Alpharez gets in the ring, these judges 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.760 seemed to see something with what he's doing that his 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.760 opponents are not. It's interesting, Chris, because I'm not casting 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.760 any aspersions on anyone, because I know Steve Weisefeld personally 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:03.280 like judges or Jersey Jersey guys are you know whatever, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.040 not as much pizza as you like. Like the fact 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.679 that you've eaten more than twice as much since you've 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.800 been here and since I've been here is a no 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.360 one would have been on that probably right, I've had 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.160 three slices of pizza since I've been um But anyway, uh, 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.120 you know, so it's not I understand from the outside 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.880 looking in, people think it's corruption and people are greasing 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.440 people's palms and you know, paying people under the that's 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.000 not quite how that works. We're not We're not naive 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.120 either of us. Obviously, we're very skeptical people in general 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.200 because of what we do for a living. But I 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.680 don't think that's what you know. I would like to 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.960 know the actual answer because it just because sometimes you 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.560 could just be seated on a different side of the 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.840 ring as someone and have a different perspective of what's 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.720 going on because you don't have the benefit of all 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.680 you know, the best television angles or whatever. You get 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.920 your angle, and if it's you don't see what's happening. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:55.880 You don't see what's happening because the guy's back is 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.080 to you or whatever the case might be. Um, but 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.680 it's a very subjective science. You know. People prefer usually 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:07.240 prefer aggression, effective aggression anyway. Um, but Canelo just doesn't 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.640 throw a lot of punches like sometimes and you and 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.880 I don't get it something you know, but what you 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.000 know what I like though? When this happened to the 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.640 aj fight, right did who is it? Was it? Don Trella, 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.640 Glen Felton, who's the judge that one? Are the judges 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.800 that scored it for Joshua Glen Felman, Glen Felmon right, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.080 who was a good judge, very good judge. Somebody caught 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.920 up to him. Somebody tracked him down after that fight 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.200 and asked the the question. I would love to see 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.680 judges be more accountable and be available for questions, you know, 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.040 after that. Just if you're going to score a certain 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.280 way in a high profile situation where there's so much 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:42.960 money on the line, there should be some transparency there. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.480 I think I agree with you. But the reason why 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.600 judges don't speak, as you well know, Chris, is there 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.960 there are mandates from the commissions that they not speak 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.560 because they don't want to put guys in pressure. They're 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.800 not used to dealing with reporters. Just send the referee 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.000 out there. Though, like Jersey will Well, we saw how 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.560 that went. Didn't go well? Okay? I mean you know again, 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.120 you're talking about the Gary Russell on the Gary Russell undercard, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.680 and those are some of the most bizarre explanations I've 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.120 ever heard. But like I want that. I kind of 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.960 like if you if you're not confident enough to do this, 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.560 it's great for the theater of boxing, it's not great 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.320 for you know, having faith in commission that the referee 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.840 who you're speaking about, was looking at the replay on 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.040 a gig a screen that's bigger than this room, and 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.920 was literally saying that what everyone else saw happened didn't happen. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.560 So you put that guy in a position where now 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.200 people think he's a clown. Like, no, now people don't 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.600 take him. It was absurd what he was saying, Like, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.920 I couldn't believe he was. I was like, but that's 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.760 why they don't want to put people in positions that 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.840 they're not accustomed to being. You don't want a guy 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.560 to say the wrong thing or maybe you know, if 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.760 they feel like they're being accused of something, they might 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.040 react in a negative way and they just how about this? Then? 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.680 How about this? Is the NBA? You can't talk to referees, right, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.160 you just walk up to X referee and ask questions. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.480 What you can do, though, is afterwards there is a 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.280 pool reporter, and I think there's no other sports as well, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.520 but you have one reporter designated to go into a 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.240 referees locker room and ask them about something like like 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.880 a controversial call of some sort or someone being abjected 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.040 or something like what did you, you know, say for 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.159 Glenn Felton, for example, you walk go in there and 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.360 you say a lot of people have to score. Why 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.040 the other way? What were you seeing? Just two or 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.040 three questions? And let that be the end of I 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:24.560 think grown men or women are able to handle that. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.800 Like I I'd like to believe they could handle that. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.000 And and you would like to see accountability from people 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.280 who were deciding people's careers that the amounts of the 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.040 amounts of money people are making end. Now, let's not 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.680 ignore the fact that that gambling has become such a 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.199 factor in every professional support, including boxing. Like I wouldn't 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.800 bet on boxing if I were a fan, because you know, 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.600 there are too many variables that could a guy wins 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.399 nine rounds and suddenly he loses the fight and you 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.679 lose all this It's crazy a lot of money. When 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:59.840 Paul Williams beat Arioslandy Laura that night, Jersey may he 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.520 rest in peace. That was I remember Dan Goose and 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.640 coming there to ringside and being a fiasco at ringside. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.920 But um, but yeah, I mean you would like to 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.240 see more accountability. That's a that's a fair point, Chris. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.040 But I just think they just don't want to put 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.560 guys in positions that they're not accustomed to. And but 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.160 you know, again, when people are paying their hard earned money, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.439 and you know for pay per view, whether they're gambling 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.240 on the fight, paying tickets, there should be more accountability. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:23.760 I think that's some kinds definitely a fair way to 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.480 look at it, all right with it? When it comes 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.000 to questions, to go back to the original topic, the 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.520 biggest question I have is how does golof can handle 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.000 the body attack because in the second fight against Canelo, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.399 but numbers reflected he went to the body and he 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.720 was effective. Since then, cannell our, Golofkin has looked vulnerable 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.600 to big body shots, whether it was derev and Schenko 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.720 or hurt him in that fight with body shots. Maratta, 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:50.520 you alluded to early on that. I think it was 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.880 the third round he had Golofkin with a big shot 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.160 to the body. Gnati stepped back, took a deep breath, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.760 and uh continued on. But I had a chance to 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:04.080 ask Golofkin and Jonathan Banks this week about concern about that. 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.000 How do they adjust to that? And they were pretty 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:10.159 dismissive of Ganattis vulnerability there. Maybe they're just saying that 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.960 to me, Maybe they have a plan to protect the midsection, 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.240 do something differently to make sure you don't get beat up. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.800 But if they don't, I think that's a tactical mistake. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.840 I think Canello is gonna zero in on that midsection. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.119 He's gonna target it, he's gonna throw bombs at it. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.800 And look we we don't. I think neither one of 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.720 us believe Ganatti is getting stopped with a headshot, like 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.840 he's just too strong and uh got too good at chin. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.000 But you land enough body shots on a guy that 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.480 hasn't already weakened the mid section, that's gonna be a 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:36.800 problem for him. So that to me is a big 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.640 the biggest question in the rank. How does Ganati hold 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.960 up to those body attacks? You know the old boxing adages. 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.680 Chrystal One likes it to the body, of course, and 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.200 as you it never forgets Sergio tells about all the times, 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.840 like when you once you get hurt there, it never 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.959 goes away from a psychological standpoint also, so, um, well, 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.040 he better do something. I hope, I hope after eight 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.320 or nine weeks in training camp they devise some sort 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.400 of strategy to prevent that happening, because, as you said, 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.399