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Speaker 1: great show for you this week. I am in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: the site of Canelo Triple G, the trilogy completing fight

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Speaker 1: between two of the biggest stars in boxing that will

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Speaker 1: down this fight from all angles with you. Keith Idek,

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Speaker 1: Saturday night between Canelo and Triple G. All right, Keith Ideck,

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Speaker 1: Boxing seam dot Com. I'm gonna give you an over

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Speaker 1: under how many slices of pizza do you think I've eaten?

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Speaker 1: Greg Bishop's intern. We're here at the GIM Grand Press Center,

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Speaker 1: the site of Gnati Golofkin, Cannelo Alvarez. The trilogy completing

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Speaker 1: Who is this fight more important to? Uh? Cannello, You

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Speaker 1: would have to say just in although he won the

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Speaker 1: second fight, and he's the only one officially who has

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Speaker 1: won one of the fights, he's got more to lose

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Speaker 1: because if glove Can loses, well, he's supposed to. Cannello

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Speaker 1: is at least a five to one favorite according to

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Speaker 1: most of the reputable sports books right now. Maybe that'll

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Speaker 1: change a little bit, will fluctuate a little bit before

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Speaker 1: the fight, but those are pretty wide odds for two

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Speaker 1: guys who have been so completely competitive in their first

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Speaker 1: two fights. So he's supposed to. He's forty, he's fighting

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Speaker 1: at a hundred and sixty eight pounds for the first time.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think he lost the Derevian Chanco fights,

436
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Speaker 1: you know, since the last time he fought Canelo Um.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of factors working against Triple G.

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Speaker 1: So people, I think the public perception is is that

439
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Speaker 1: he's going to lose this fight. So if he loses,

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Speaker 1: he'll have made you know, more than twenty million dollars

441
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Speaker 1: and gant and guarantee and Uh, you know, gotten the

442
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Speaker 1: third the third fight that he always wanted, the fight

443
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Speaker 1: that he was promised when he signed with the Zone,

444
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Speaker 1: that it's finally happening three and a half years after

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Speaker 1: he signed that contract. So he's getting what he wants.

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Speaker 1: But Canelo, if he loses this fight, um, he'll have

447
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Speaker 1: lost to a forty year old guy who's fighting at

448
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Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty eight pounds for the first time,

449
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Speaker 1: who probably lost the Derevian Chanco two and a half

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Speaker 1: whatever it was three years ago, two years ago, um, three,

451
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Speaker 1: three years ago. Um, So he's got more and and

452
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Speaker 1: then he'll have lost for the first time. He'll have

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Speaker 1: lost back to back fights. He's never been in that

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Speaker 1: position before. So he would then go from being the

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Speaker 1: consensus pound for pound king of boxing to having lost

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Speaker 1: back to back fights to Dmitri Bivall, who was around

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Speaker 1: I think he was a four to one favorite over

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Speaker 1: Bivall too, which was clearly too wide. But then he

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Speaker 1: have lost back to back fights to Bivall into Glovekin,

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Speaker 1: who he was heavily favorite to beat. Uh where does

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Speaker 1: he go from there? Because then no one wants to

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Speaker 1: seem fight biva All again? Right, he would. Honestly, if

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Speaker 1: you had to make a comparison, he would kind of

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Speaker 1: enter Anthony Joshua territory where it's like you're a big star,

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Speaker 1: but you might have to rebuild a little bit. You

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Speaker 1: might be talking about you taking lesser fight before going

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Speaker 1: into maybe a fourth fight with the Only thing that

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Speaker 1: I would say, uh in comparing Cannello to Joshua, is

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Speaker 1: Cannello was accomplished a lot more, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua was an enormous star. I'm not saying he isn't.

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Speaker 1: But if you compare their resumes, they're kind of resumes.

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Speaker 1: I'm more like where they go after back to back losses.

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Speaker 1: Like if we'll get to this, but if the Joshua

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Speaker 1: Fury fight doesn't happen, which I still don't believe, um,

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Speaker 1: you'll probably see Joshua fighting a lower level guy in

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Speaker 1: December January. It's sort of like a rebuilding stage of

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Speaker 1: his career as he bounces back most two losses. I

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Speaker 1: feel like you put it this way. In Cannell's next fight,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect it to be a killer. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: expect Golofkin Part four. I wouldn't expect evil part two.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect one of the top guys at eight.

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Speaker 1: I would expect something a little lower. You disagree, well,

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Speaker 1: I know he certainly if he loses the Glovekin, that's

484
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Speaker 1: not going to sit well with him, and he would

485
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Speaker 1: do everything in his power to try to get the

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Speaker 1: fourth fight right away. I just think from a psychological standpoint.

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Speaker 1: But glove And would suddenly be in the driver's seat

488
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Speaker 1: for the first time. He's never had the leverage in

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Speaker 1: this situation, and he might just pull a Marcus. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying he's gonnaknock Canello out obviously, but certainly not

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Speaker 1: knocked him unconscious. But he would finally have the power

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Speaker 1: and he might say, well, I'm not going to fight

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Speaker 1: him again. I don't need to. I'll go fight because

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Speaker 1: he said, Look, what he said yesterday to us was

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Speaker 1: that this is his last fight with his own. Now

496
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Speaker 1: he signed a six fight contract with his own. This

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Speaker 1: is only the fifth fight, he said emphatically yesterday, this

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Speaker 1: is my last fight with his own. If that is true. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if so, if that's true, I could easily see

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Speaker 1: him if he were to win the fight, and he says,

501
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Speaker 1: I this guy, I'm not doing this again. He can

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Speaker 1: he can go eat that for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 1: That I beat him in the left drive Canello crazy? Correct?

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Speaker 1: All right? So then I could see him dropping back

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Speaker 1: down the middle weight and then going, you know, give

506
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Speaker 1: an al haim and a call, say you want to

507
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Speaker 1: make this Charlo fight. Let's go make this Charlo fight,

508
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Speaker 1: and then he you know, works come up with a

509
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Speaker 1: lot of money to me. And I don't think Charlo

510
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Speaker 1: would do that next, even if even if Glove can

511
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Speaker 1: one on Saturday night and wanted to do that next,

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Speaker 1: because Charlo hasn't fought in a very long time, and

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Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't seem based on what I was told

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Speaker 1: that this Celeski fight is going to be rescheduled anytime soon,

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Speaker 1: so he would have to get some kind of fight

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Speaker 1: in between before that would happen. But the point is

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Speaker 1: is that Golovkin would have many more options, but particularly

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Speaker 1: because he owns if you count the ib OH, he

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Speaker 1: he owns three middleweight titles, and he could go fight

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Speaker 1: Charlo in a big fight. Well, Andreid is not the

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Speaker 1: middleweight champion, not that he would. He They've made it

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Speaker 1: clear they want they don't want I'm sorry, sorry I

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Speaker 1: mentioned the A word on this podcast. I don't get

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Speaker 1: you on Andreid rabbit hole. But um, but there are

525
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Speaker 1: options for him, as I guess what I'm saying. He

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Speaker 1: and he would be the fully unified super middleweight champion.

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Speaker 1: So if he were, if he were comfortable at that weight, well,

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Speaker 1: he could fight a multitude of super middleways he could fight.

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Speaker 1: He could call Al Hayman and go fight galb Plant.

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Speaker 1: If Plant winds up beating uh Durrell and his next

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Speaker 1: fight David Benavite, that's a much riskier fight, I think

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Speaker 1: for for Glofkin, but that's certainly available to him. I

533
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Speaker 1: agree that there's a lot at stake for Canelo, but

534
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Speaker 1: I have a bit of a different take on Gallofkin

535
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Speaker 1: because I've been reading a lot and hearing a lot

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Speaker 1: this week about no matter what happens in this fight,

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Speaker 1: Ganadi Golofkin is gonna walk into the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: on the first ballot. I kind of sort of shrug

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Speaker 1: a little bit at that, because, look, he's got a

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Speaker 1: great record. Um, he is undoubtedly one of the most

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Speaker 1: entertaining fighters of this generation. But when I look at

542
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Speaker 1: his resume, I see Daniel Jacobs, I see David Lemieux,

543
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Speaker 1: I see Sergei Derevinschenko. I don't see a depth of

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Speaker 1: quality wins, and I think that to me, that is

545
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Speaker 1: a variable. When you start talking about fighters and there

546
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Speaker 1: candidacy for the Hall of Fame, I just I I

547
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Speaker 1: need this. I want to see three, four, five quality

548
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Speaker 1: high level wins. Now, I will acknowledge readily that for

549
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Speaker 1: six years he chased all the top guys, longer like

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Speaker 1: Chase Felix Stern before he came to the US. He's

551
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Speaker 1: been chasing the top guys forever. Sergery and Martinez avoided him,

552
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Speaker 1: Miguel Codo avoided him. Cannello, even for a couple of

553
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Speaker 1: years longer than people wanted, didn't want to fight him,

554
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Speaker 1: or at least Oscar Deltoy at that time didn't want

555
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Canello fighting Golofkin. But in the last three years he

556
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Speaker 1: has had opportunities to burnish his resume. He could have

557
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Speaker 1: fought Andreid, he could have fought Charlo, He could have

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Speaker 1: fought him Gia, which would have been a reasonably high

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Speaker 1: level win. He didn't. Look it's a business. He clearly

560
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Speaker 1: made the right decision because he's gonna get paid an

561
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Speaker 1: excess of twenty million dollars probably for for this fight.

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Speaker 1: But there's a consequence for that, and that's you know,

563
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Speaker 1: it gets taken into account that when Golof can have

564
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to fight all the big fights he was

565
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Speaker 1: clamoring for early, he didn't do it. And that that

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Speaker 1: to me, that that that is going to be a

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Speaker 1: factor when Hall of Fame consideration comes around. So this

568
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Speaker 1: is a hot take from Chris Mannix that Gnadi Glovkin

569
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Speaker 1: is not a first balltot Hall of Fame. Well again,

570
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Speaker 1: as you know, because the Hall of Fame is ridiculous.

571
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Speaker 1: This is not the baseball Hall of Fame, by the way,

572
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Speaker 1: No it's not. It's the Hall of Fame where three

573
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Speaker 1: guys get in every year no matter what. So you know,

574
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Speaker 1: if there's a year where there's no top guys, Mo,

575
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Speaker 1: Larry and Curly are getting in. Um shout out by

576
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Speaker 1: the way to Ivan called aroun I' gonna keep gooting

577
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Speaker 1: for you every year until you get in. Uhds I

578
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: love Ivan called her own like he was great back

579
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Speaker 1: in the day. He's got it. Actually not to go

580
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Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole, but he's kind of a bar

581
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Speaker 1: from me, like you gotta be better. Ivan called her

582
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Speaker 1: own to get into the Hall of Fame on my ballot.

583
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Speaker 1: Guy that was for six years like the best little

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Speaker 1: man in all of boxing. So but that that to me?

585
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Speaker 1: Is it? Like with with the understanding the boxing Hall

586
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: of Fame is goofy in that way, Like do I

587
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Speaker 1: look at Golofka as as ballot Hall of Famer? I

588
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I I don't see the quality wins on

589
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Speaker 1: the recipal. Here's what I would say. I think he's

590
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Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer one because the standards

591
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: are simply lower for the boxing Hall of Fame than

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00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: they are, particularly for the baseball Hall of Fame. Right,

593
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Speaker 1: I mean that's the probably the most stringent And would

594
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Speaker 1: you not argue the best like I think base you

595
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Speaker 1: get in consistent, you know, because of the right with obviously,

596
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Speaker 1: but like I like it, every year, you have to

597
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Speaker 1: get seventy on the phone. Um, it's got to be

598
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: a consensus that you get in. He he does not

599
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Speaker 1: officially have a win against the guy who was the

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Speaker 1: pound for pound king, but he but he won. I

601
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Speaker 1: think most people would agree that he won the first

602
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: fight the driving Chanko. Now, look, driving Chanko has lost

603
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Speaker 1: a lot of fights against top level guys in the

604
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: last couple of years, but he's a top level middleweight

605
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Speaker 1: and that dog fight, to me was the fight of

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Speaker 1: the year in two thousand nineteen. He did win the

607
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Speaker 1: fight officially. Um, well, it's but another one where it's like,

608
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Speaker 1: you know I had, I think I had when it

609
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: was a close fight, and and look, I know people

610
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Speaker 1: don't want to hear excuses, and I'm not trying to

611
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Speaker 1: make an excuse for Glovegin. Their contention is that he

612
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Speaker 1: was sick the whole fight week. Maybe he might not

613
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Speaker 1: even should have thought. I've heard that like gabriel Otto,

614
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Speaker 1: he was sick, like I said, And people don't want

615
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Speaker 1: to hear excuses. Fighters go into fights injured all the

616
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Speaker 1: time and have many things going on in their heads

617
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Speaker 1: that they never tell people about, you know, family problems

618
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Speaker 1: or whatever. So I understand that. But but but the

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Speaker 1: Reverend Chanco win, which is officially a win as a

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Speaker 1: good win in my opinion, Um, you know, two very

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Speaker 1: close back and forth fights with an elite, elite level

622
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Speaker 1: fighter who became the pound for pound king. Um, he

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Speaker 1: was he had some version of a middleweight title for

624
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Speaker 1: a very long time. Um. So, I, for whatever it's worth,

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00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: I think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. But

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Speaker 1: um would it if he beats Canello convincingly on Saturday?

627
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Speaker 1: Of course, of course and he becomes undisputed champi at

628
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Speaker 1: and of course you know that would strengthen his legacy.

629
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Speaker 1: There's no denying that, um. But you do make a

630
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Speaker 1: good point about, you know, having because I was flat

631
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Speaker 1: out told that. They basically told that. His people told

632
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Speaker 1: his own we're not fighting Demetrius Andrew stop asking us

633
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: about that. Is that is actually almost close to verbatim,

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Speaker 1: I believe, so if I'm not mistaken, And that's unfortunate

635
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Speaker 1: for Andreid because he's never really gotten the type of

636
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: opportunities that we would have liked to have seen him

637
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: received over the last few years. But so, yeah, so

638
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: he didn't fight him. I'm not going to say that

639
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: him not fighting Charlo is his fault necessarily. I mean, no, no,

640
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: it's not. Although I Charlo would have been the one

641
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: where if you were going to get kind of a

642
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: cross promotional deal done, I feel like Hayman would have

643
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: been more open to that to get him in with

644
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: Coaloftin to get that team making opportunity. I feel like

645
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: that was was doable and and look, Mangia was doable.

646
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: That that one is the most surprising because Mangia, like Magee,

647
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: is beatable. He's really good when gotta fight something, conversation,

648
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: He's gonna go forever. Didn't kind of the second tier guys.

649
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: But I just you know, I I guess in a way,

650
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I would never hold the first like six seven years

651
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: of gallopkins us career against him because he tried. Tom

652
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Laffer tried, they were HBO tried, They were doing everything

653
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: they can to get the top guys in the ring

654
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: with him. All of them passed. But I have to

655
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: I kind of believe the last few years when he

656
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: was making business decisions have to be taken into account.

657
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Like he all the fights he was begging for, they

658
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: were there, you know, Charlo, Andreid Mongia, I don't know

659
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: who else is out there. He chose not to do him.

660
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: He could have gotten out of the zero Metta mandatory

661
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: by fighting Andred if you wanted to, you can do

662
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: a unification fight that would have been makable. You know.

663
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Chris, because I think what he was really

664
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: doing there, and he obviously has never said this to me,

665
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: but I think what he was doing there was he

666
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: was guaranteed a certain amount of money for the zero

667
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: Meta fight, which he did not get. It was renegotiated

668
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: and he still got a lot of money for fighting

669
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: Camille Zaromata in front of no one because it was

670
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: in the heart of the pandemic and every thing, and

671
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: he was his mandatur. But I think he was in

672
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: that case he was trying to prove a point to

673
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: the Zone because he wasn't getting He thought he would

674
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: have gotten the Canelo fight at that point, which was

675
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: what he was promised when he signed this contract with

676
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: the Zone. So I think there was a little back

677
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: and forth there between them where he where he demanded

678
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: the Zara Metta fight because he felt like he wasn't

679
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: being treated fairly with Canelo. Now that not is not

680
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: necessarily the Zone's fault. They were told something by a

681
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: Golden Boy that was not true. So they were operating

682
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: under the premise that that they could deliver Canelo and

683
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: that they would make this fight, which obviously didn't happen,

684
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: and then he separated from Golden Boy, and you know,

685
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: all the things that we know have happened. But just

686
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: to clear one thing up, I'm pretty sure you know

687
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: this as well. If the pandemic had not happened, they

688
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: were going to fight in the fall, like that was

689
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen. The way it was set up was glaf

690
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: was gonna fight Zara Metta in March, Canelo was gonna

691
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: fight I believe Saunders in May, and the two were

692
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: gonna meet in September. That as far as I understand,

693
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: that was all but agreed to their Canello would come

694
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: off his issues with Golofkin at that time and he

695
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: was going to fight him back then. So you know,

696
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth, that fight was going to happen

697
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: in September. Yeah, And there was a point, like I

698
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: said that Golovkin was the one, so I'm not gonna

699
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: fight Canelo. So then people are saying, well you want

700
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: the fighter, you don't. And but I do think there

701
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: was something internally going on between him and his own

702
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: and that's more what that was about than him not

703
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: actually wanting to fight Cannello, because of course he wants

704
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: to fight Conelli wants to avenge his only loss and

705
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: make more money. He's clearly going to make more money

706
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night than he made fighting any of the

707
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: other guys he's fought since he fought Canello the last time.

708
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: No question, smart business decision. But you know when when

709
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: given the opportunity to fight these top guys, he chose

710
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: not to, And I just I just that that counts

711
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: for me as a variable in all this last thing

712
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: on Golofkin. What do you make of kind of this

713
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: sort of heal turn he's made in recent years there

714
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: become a little more surly, you know, still affable at times,

715
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: but like you know, it just feels like he's a

716
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a different guy. In the last couple

717
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: of years. He's surly towards Canelo. I don't. I don't

718
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: sense that he's really surly towards other people. I got, well,

719
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: he was kind of surly toward competres. But but but uh,

720
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: beyond beyond that, I mean, I don't, I don't really

721
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: see him. It's interesting in that if Cannello continues to

722
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: say the reason that he doesn't like Kannadie Glovecan more

723
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: than anything is because he thinks he's a phony, that

724
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: he portrays this public persona of being this nice guy

725
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: and you know, smiling all the time, and you know

726
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Mexican style and what all the things that he's been

727
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: parting for the last you know, ten or twelve years

728
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Um so he thinks he's a

729
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: phony and that he's not really a good guy. I

730
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't spend a lot of

731
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: time around Ganadi Glovecan other than fight weeks and everything.

732
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe he's a bad guy

733
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: per se. But um uh, but what he's but he's

734
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: promoting the fights too, right, It's it's general the positive

735
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: drug test stuff like in fairness, why shouldn't he Because

736
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, once you have that stain on

737
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: your record, it doesn't go away. And some people are

738
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: willing to forget it and some people aren't. And if

739
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm risking my life against this guy three times, I'm

740
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: not forgetting it. And he knows. The other thing is

741
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: he knows it gets under his skin, so he's going

742
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: to continue to do it because he knows he's pissing

743
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: him off. So if you know you can get a

744
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: rise out of someone like that, and you and intensely

745
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: dislike that person, why wouldn't you do it in fairness

746
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: to Glovekan like he was. Whatever the excuses, Mexican street meat, whatever,

747
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: whatever they've come up with. Um, the bottom line is

748
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: he failed to drug tests before he was supposed to

749
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: fight Gnadie Glovekan the second time. That's indisputable. And if

750
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm Gonnadie Glovekan, I'm not letting that go. And he's

751
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: most certainly not at this point. Um, and it's certainly

752
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: fair play by him. Alright, couple of the things I

753
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: want to hit you with before we go. ESPN on

754
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: Thursday reporting that turns Crawford Errol Spence materially agree two

755
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: terms on a deal. This has been something that UH

756
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: has been reported on for over a month now. At

757
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: this point, they're getting closer, getting closer, getting closer. Um,

758
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: should we get excited at this point for November nine?

759
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: Spence against Crawford. UM? Do you believe we're at that

760
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: proverbial five yard line? I think they're going to fight

761
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: November nine. I've thought that all along. I just think

762
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: that there's too much money at stake for both guys. Uh.

763
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: The alternatives or Crawford are not great. The alternatives for

764
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: Spence are not what what are going to be palatable

765
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: for the public, but they're better than what Crawford's options

766
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: are the right and Thurman is a known fighter and

767
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: people and people have wanted to see them fight for

768
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: a number of years. Although Thurman's deteriorated a little bit

769
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: um so he has more options than Crawford. So I

770
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: just always kind of thought that Crawford eventually is just

771
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: going to whatever. Whenever they get to the point where

772
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: it's like either now or never, he's going to accept

773
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: the deal, just because even if he has to take

774
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: less of a percentage or take less of a guarantee

775
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, all the things that have been

776
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: hanging up the deal, you know, the rematch percentages, all

777
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: of that stuff, Right, Like, he would eventually just accept

778
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: what he had to accept one because he thinks he's

779
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: gonna beat Errol Spence. Of course too, because he's gonna

780
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: make less than half a third to fight anyone else.

781
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: And then who is he fighting all the well, that's

782
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: the thing. All the rest of the welterweights relevant welter

783
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: rates for the most part or with PBC. Now Boots

784
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: Ennis is not with PBC, but Terrence Crawford is not

785
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna fight Boots Ennis if he's not going to fight ERL.

786
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Spence Jr. So the alternative probably is Virgil Ortiz, who

787
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: is his mandatory. Um, that's a tough I'm not saying

788
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Crawford a lot less money, which is Crawford in my

789
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: opinion if he if he fought Virgil Ortiz tomorrow, he

790
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: would win. But it's a dangerous fight and for a

791
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: lot less money. So eventually he's just gonna have He

792
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: doesn't like the fact and doesn't trust the fact that

793
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: this is a PBC event basically, and he's not a

794
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: PBC guy. He came from top rank and now he's

795
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: a free agent. He's mistrustful of a lot of things

796
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: and that's been part of the negotiations as well, like

797
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: worrying about all the things, uh about every little detail

798
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: about fight week, making sure everything is on point because

799
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: he's just mistrustful. I don't know if you think someone's

800
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna poise as water or what exactly, but there's a

801
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: lot of things going on behind the scenes that have

802
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: been stumbling up. He's guy right from the beginning. I'm

803
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: not saying All's gonna do anything, but but but but

804
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: his Uh, hesitation is understandable because he's not one of

805
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: their guys. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna cater to

806
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Spence more than they're gonna cater to him, so he

807
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: wants to be you know, compensated financially for that. Um.

808
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: But I do think eventually they're going to get to

809
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: the finish line here. It's my understanding that they're not

810
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: there yet exactly, um, but that they will get there.

811
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: The fight is going to happen November nineteenth, which is

812
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: what kind of what I thought all along, because some

813
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: people you know on Twitter and all, you know, not

814
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: reporters necessarily, but just people, well it's too late for

815
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: then why is it too late? It's it's September. It

816
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: you want more than two months, and you don't need

817
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: to promote it all that much. And if the days,

818
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: as you know, the days of like multi city press

819
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: tours are gone, you only do that, right it happens infrequently.

820
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: You don't even need to do them necessarily. They have

821
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: they have time to train for two full months for

822
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: the fight, and I would have to believe that both

823
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: of them are in some semblance of training now thinking

824
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: that the fight is going to happen, so that's not

825
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: really an issue. They're gonna do one press conference. They're

826
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: not going to do a multi city like you just

827
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: said though. Those days are long gone. Um, so there's

828
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: no real Like if if they announced the fight ten

829
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: days from now, well, are people are not going to

830
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: buy the fight because it wasn't announced until September you need.

831
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was six weeks, I'd say, all right, maybe,

832
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: but it's twelve at this time or whatever it is,

833
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: and there is more than enough time. I wonder what

834
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: network it winds up on. I mean Showtime and Fox

835
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: are still the PPC. When this all was kind of

836
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: breaking down, Keith, one thing that popped into my mind

837
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if they'd push it to like February,

838
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: because Fox is a super Bowl this year, and if

839
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: they did with Fox, you could use that platform to

840
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: promote it. But it does sound like the nineteenth is

841
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: what they're timeeting, and in terms of which network winds

842
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: up distributing it, I would be surprised if it weren't Showtime,

843
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: just because all of the PBC inventory has been shifted

844
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: to Showtime. Foxes for all intents and purposes out of

845
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: boxing except doing the occasional pay per view. And this

846
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: isn't just any old pay per view, this is the

847
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: payer non heavyweight pay per view and boxing. I thought

848
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: that too, But like Spence, I think all of his

849
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: pay per views have been Fox or No the but

850
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: the previous Danny Garcia was FOXOX. But but like if

851
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: you don't, unless Al Hayman is trying now, look, you're

852
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna go where you get the better deal. I understand that.

853
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: At the same time, you know, he has a much

854
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: uh more profitable, better working relationship with Showtime now than

855
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: he has with Fox. It looks like Fox is getting

856
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: out of boxing. It looks like they're interested in doing

857
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: the occasional pay per view that shouldn't be a pay

858
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: per view, like Luis right, doesn't cost them much. They're

859
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: not committing any money to boxing. So unless he's trying

860
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: to unless Hayman, we're trying to not trying to get

861
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: into the head of Al Hayman, because I who you know,

862
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: he's he's That would be a good story right now.

863
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I mean, he knows obviously, he knows

864
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: how to move chess pieces and all and does all

865
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: these things behind closed doors. But um, unless he's trying

866
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: to salvage this relationship with Fox, which to my understanding

867
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: is pretty much unsalvageable in that they're not going to

868
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: do another multi fight contract with PBC. Then I don't

869
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: understand why it wouldn't be on Showtime because I think Showtime,

870
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: with its you know, with its reach with CBS and everything,

871
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: can offer most of what Fox, if not all of

872
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: what foxes uh providing from a promotional standpoint, because look

873
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: what they did with the Caleb Plant fight with Canelo,

874
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: right they they plastered it all over college football and NFL,

875
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: and it did you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of

876
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand buys and who who what mainstream sports

877
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: fan knows? Which mainstream sports fan knows who Caleb Plant is?

878
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, so they'll do. I

879
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: do think there's a you know, a lower ceiling than

880
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand for as as big of a fight

881
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: as it is in boxing circles, there is a lower

882
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: ceiling at eight hundred thousand for for Spence and Crawford.

883
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: I agree with that that much. I did read you

884
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: read the story this week about Showtime potentially getting lumped

885
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: in with paramount. This is not this is a full

886
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: disclosure of paramount employee all that you know. So but

887
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: uh nonsense? Is it just complete nonsense wall st journal Well,

888
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: you know the thing is, I think they got tripped

889
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: up on there were there were some long range talks

890
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: about they're they're doing deals with particular providers, like their

891
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: deal is up and everything, And there was something just

892
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned in passing that you know, eventually sometime

893
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: down the road maybe something like that could have like

894
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: it was, it's not, it's nothing concrete. Now. Look, I'm

895
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: no high level paramount executive by any stretch. I'm not

896
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: trying to make it like I'm in these uh in

897
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: on these decisions or anything is obviously I'm a I'm

898
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: a boxing writer, for God's sake. What the moment cares?

899
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: What I think? Probably, But but why would if Showtime

900
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: has roughly thirty million subscribers, why would you disband it?

901
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. They they also produce some for

902
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: the way, it was explained to me somewhere in the

903
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: neighborhood of two billion dollars and profits for the company

904
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: every year. Why would you get rid of that? It's insane.

905
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: Cord Cutter's baby's going. I mean, but what I would

906
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: understand it if in in this is not a television

907
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: we're not the television insiders now. But the point is

908
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: if they at some point made Showtime and Paramount plus

909
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: the stream the same streaming service, you know, if they

910
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: if available for one price, I could see that happening eventually.

911
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: But now you're you're still getting to subscriptions and bundling

912
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: it into one, and you're still making more money. So

913
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't really know why you would get rid of

914
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and Showtimes a pretty long established brand. I mean, it's

915
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: you know, they've been in boxing for thirty five thirty whatever,

916
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: thirty seven years or what ever. So not that boxing

917
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: is the highest priority of Paramount Global, but but I've

918
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: done it well for for many years. So yeah, that

919
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: didn't didn't make a lot of sense to me at

920
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: the time why they would do that. But the way

921
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: it was explained to me by people who know much

922
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: more from internally in the company, nonsense, Like it's just

923
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: dead wrong. All right on that I was speaking of nonsense. Uh.

924
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: Eddie Hern is here this week and he's getting asked

925
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: a lot about Tyson Fury versus Anthony Joshua so Anthony

926
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: Joshua was and Eddie Hearn's treatment of the Fury quote offer.

927
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot for people that watch Seinfeld

928
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: of when George Costanza told Susan Ross's parents he had

929
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: a house in the Hamptons and they went to go

930
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: visit him. Right, so bear with him here, bear with me.

931
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: So they says, I got a house and said we'll go,

932
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: and he says, and he starts telling all these lies

933
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: as he's driving to the happens that he parks the

934
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: car and says, we gotta walk this far. It's just

935
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: it feels like Eddie in a j are trying to

936
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: call the bluff of Tyson Fury and Frank Warrant like

937
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: it's it can't be as simple as a fight like

938
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: this getting done for it can't. I mean, we both remember,

939
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: we both covered how complicated the deal that was going

940
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: to be in the Middle East was for Joshua versus Fury.

941
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Eddie hern agonized over that deal. Um, I

942
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: just can't believe it's as simple as Principally Stadium in

943
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: Cardiff December three split on the part of Tyson Fury,

944
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: with the winner having the option of reversing it and

945
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: getting a difference. I just I just don't believe it.

946
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this, but I

947
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: just don't believe that that fight is gonna happen. Well, first,

948
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: as a huge Seinfeld fan, love the Costanza reference. I've

949
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: got two silariums. Yeah, exactly, And if you want to

950
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: turn it up a notch, baby, exactly. Um, it seems

951
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: like entirely too complicated of a deal to put together

952
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: in a relatively short amount of time. December three is

953
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: not that far away. Um, I don't see it. And

954
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I do agree with you in some sense, they're calling

955
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: their bluff, okay, okay, all right? Well, and if you're

956
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: if you're, why would you say no to it? I

957
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: mean you're you've lost back to back fights decisively to

958
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: the other. Like I kind of feel the different way,

959
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: Like it's like Joshua is now, like I don't know

960
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: if he's gonna stick with Robert Garcia, stick with Aga

961
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Fernaniz to go with a different direction. But it feels

962
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: like Joshua needs to not rebuild over the course of

963
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: multiple years. But how would you take a nice easy

964
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: whatever in December? How would you fight Dillion White in

965
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: the first quarter of next year, and then I know

966
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury is the equivalent of boxing a d D.

967
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: So let him fight like Derek Sora in December if

968
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: he wants to get a paid And now I'm gonna

969
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you on that because Derek Justa for

970
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: beating Kubra pool have better not get a title shot.

971
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to put my foot down on that one.

972
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: Not that anyone's listening to me exactly, but look, God

973
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: bless Derek just Sor. He's entertaining and and he's some.

974
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: But let's a great press conference. Great, Yeah, I'm gonna

975
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: flip some tables and do some crazy stuff. But at

976
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: the same time, lets everyone calm down. He he beat

977
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Kubra Pulev, who's not good and is forty plus years old.

978
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how that warrants getting a shot at

979
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: the at the you know, one of the two heavyweight

980
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: champions anyway. Um, what a lot of money in that

981
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: fight to six to one by decision cash right there,

982
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: like fail it. It's in an NBA Summer League watching

983
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: that with a couple of guys press row. That was

984
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: a blast. Um, you're just trying to promote your your

985
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: your gambling picks on. Here's what you're doing. But but

986
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't see the fight coming together in that short

987
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: of time. There's too many complications. There's two you know,

988
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying about Joshua, But I've been

989
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: hearing about Joshua, you know, fine tuning things, rebuilding, blah

990
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: blah blah since he got knocked out by Andy Ruiz.

991
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Maybe he just is what he is. You could bring

992
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: in trainers from all over the world. He's just going

993
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: to fight the way that he fights. And maybe he

994
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: realizes that to some extent, you know, maybe he's like, well,

995
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: I could make an enormous amount of money for what

996
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: would even though he's lost back to back fights to us,

997
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: it would still be the biggest fight in British boxing history.

998
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: Huge a long shot right by a country mile right, So, uh,

999
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: why wouldn't he do it? You know, he's lost back

1000
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: to back fights. Maybe he doesn't want to. And maybe

1001
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: if you're Joshua, you've made so much money, um, you

1002
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: feel like, do I really want to go go to

1003
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: training camp and get motivated? Can I get motivated for fighting? Whatever? Guys,

1004
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: you're you know, whoever, it might be Otto, Volleen or whoever.

1005
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: And he's not gonna fight Southball probably But but my

1006
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm not disparaging out of autobion challenges. Shout out to

1007
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: his PR people keep but what my point is, like

1008
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: a non champion, a guy who's not a star, how

1009
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: is he going to get up for those kinds of fights?

1010
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: So maybe he just feels like he he feels he

1011
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: can beat Fury. He's not looking at it like he's

1012
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: going to go in there and lose. I I think

1013
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: Fury beats Joshua, but it's an enormous event, and maybe

1014
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: he just doesn't want to waste time taking, you know,

1015
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: be in C level opponents because he won't be able

1016
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: to get up for them. And maybe he doesn't want

1017
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: to fight that much longer either. I mean, he's he's

1018
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: thirty two now, right, thirty two, He's gonna be thirty three,

1019
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: so maybe something. But um, he's getting a little older

1020
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: and he's made so much money he he doesn't have

1021
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: to fight anymore. So maybe, you know, from that perspective,

1022
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: maybe he would want to do it. But it's got

1023
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: that massive New dizone deal that is encompassing multiple fights.

1024
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: At least that's gonna pay him a lot of money. Well,

1025
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: that was a good business. He's still he's still not

1026
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: for not On mean for him, for him, it was well,

1027
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean he still does pay per view buys. I'll

1028
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: give him that. Like, he'll still he could fight anybody

1029
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: and still draw crowd. He's still I would argue he's

1030
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: as popular as Fury in the UK is no. Yeah,

1031
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: and and and like you said about Cornello Canello before,

1032
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: he's like Joshua in that sense, Like if he were

1033
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: to lose to Glufkin on Saturday, he's still a superstar.

1034
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: He still has an entire country behind him and a

1035
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: lot of people in the US. So yeah, there's no

1036
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: doubt about that. We have to see what he decides

1037
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: to do if that fight comes together. But more than

1038
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: anything else, I think we both agree, it's just it

1039
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: feels like it's it's happening too quickly. Like I'd love

1040
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: to believe that you could put together a fight of

1041
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: that magnitude as quickly as it seems to be coming together.

1042
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that's possible. Also, Chris, you know,

1043
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: Tyson Fear is very entertaining. He's been great for boxing

1044
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: in many ways, but he goes on there every day

1045
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: and says something different. So like there's some days he's

1046
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: not fighting anymore, so challenging. He's challenging frances Nan, he's retiring,

1047
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: He's traveling to Iceland to challenge the mountain every week.

1048
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: It's something else, right, Yes, so he fights the mountain.

1049
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: I'll go to that. I'm all. I'm all in for

1050
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: Tyson theory versus the Mountain. Keith. Appreciate your time as

1051
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: pizza and next, lice on me when we come back.

1052
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: This week's picks brought to you by fan duel Well.

1053
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,839
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Speaker 1: big One. Canelo Alvarez, Ganadi, Gilofkin Trilogy come pleading, super

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Speaker 1: middleweight championship, undisputed status on the line. This is as

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Speaker 1: big as it gets in boxing Right now, and right now,

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Speaker 1: Canelo Alvarez is a big favorite minus five fifty according

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Speaker 1: to FanDuel Gardi Golofkin plus four ten. I believe Alvarez wins.

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Speaker 1: I know he's coming off a loss to Dmitri Bevil,

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Speaker 1: but talking to Canelo this week, it feels like he

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Speaker 1: was more focused for this training camp than he was

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Speaker 1: for Bevil. Wasn't playing as much golf over the last

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Speaker 1: few months, and it's really locked in on getting a

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Speaker 1: clear win against his long time rival. So take Conelo

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Speaker 1: Alvarez to win this fight at minus five fifty. Load

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Speaker 1: up on it. He's gonna win. I believe it now.

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Speaker 1: How he wins this week can make a little bit

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Speaker 1: of money. Alvarez by decision is minus one ten. That's

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Speaker 1: the bet that I, like a lot of people are saying,

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Speaker 1: Canello Alvarez gonna go for a knockout, gonna be the

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Speaker 1: first guy to stop Gnarti Golofkin, And maybe he will be.

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Speaker 1: But Gnati Golofkin, even at at has a granted chin

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Speaker 1: and has it's a cliche, but has that heart of

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Speaker 1: a champion. I just don't believe the Golofkin is going

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Speaker 1: to get stopped in what could be his final significant fight.

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Speaker 1: So I'm taking Canello to win, and I'm taking him

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Speaker 1: to win by points. I think this fight is a

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Speaker 1: little more clear on the scorecards than the previous two

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Speaker 1: fights have been. So Canella win, Cannella win by points.

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Speaker 1: Those are my picks, brought to you by FanDuel. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this week's episode. My thanks to Keith Idek

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