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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts.

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Speaker 2: Giants Giants, give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 3: Let's welcome to another edition The Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 3: York Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, my name is John Smell. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being with us.

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Speaker 3: So as we continue to get to know the Giants

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Speaker 3: rookie class, you thought it would be useful and informative

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Speaker 3: to go back take all of the interviews we did

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Speaker 3: during Big Book Kickoff Live about the players the Giants

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Speaker 3: drafted before they were drafted, and combine them with some

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Speaker 3: new interviews Paul Tatino put together with people that covered

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Speaker 3: the Giants prospects when they were in college after we

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Speaker 3: selected them. So basically, it's pretty heavy insight into what

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Speaker 3: these players are like at their respective colleges before the

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Speaker 3: Giants drafted them. So we put all the interviews together

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Speaker 3: regarding the Giants draft picks.

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Speaker 1: We'll go through them in some order as we move

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Speaker 1: ahead here.

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Speaker 3: It's again, these are interviews that were done before the

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Speaker 3: draft and then some after the draft with Paul uh.

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Speaker 3: The other ones are kind of peeled off from our

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Speaker 3: Big Blue Kickoff Live shows as we take a closer

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Speaker 3: look at the Giants draft picks and what they were

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Speaker 3: like in college.

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Speaker 1: So let's start here.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go to the LSU sideline reporter, Gordy Rush,

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Speaker 3: and we talked to him about Melik Neighbors. Let's start

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Speaker 3: that guy that you thought should have been the Blatantacoff

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Speaker 3: winner this year.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, no shame in.

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Speaker 3: That there were a lot of really good wide receivers

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Speaker 3: in college football this year, and that's Milie Neighbors, a

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Speaker 3: name that has been connected to the New York Giants

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Speaker 3: a ton with the sixth overall pick. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 3: right to the off the field stuff first year, Gordy,

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Speaker 3: because and I want to be clear, I have not

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Speaker 3: heard this about Melik Neighbors, but it's a question that

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have just because of the position and the

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Speaker 3: Giants have had some experience with LCU wide receivers and

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Speaker 3: Oll Beckham Junior. Is Malik Neighbors a quote unquote diva

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Speaker 3: wide receiver or is he more of your blue collar

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Speaker 3: type that, frankly, we've seen more of enter the league

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Speaker 4: No he's a blue collar kid. Now he's a you know,

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Speaker 4: blue collar kid from the you know, the the part

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Speaker 4: of the state the neighbors is from, you know, not

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Speaker 4: knocking Odell. O'Dell was from Isidore Newman High School in Uptown,

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Speaker 4: New Orleans, where the Mannings went and a little bit

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Speaker 4: different atmosphere and O'Dell even at La Shoe, you know,

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Speaker 4: O'Dell kind of personality evolved after he left LSU, but

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Speaker 4: not neighbors neighbors. He's a blue collar kid. He works hard,

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Speaker 4: had a phenomenal Pro day, you know, came in with

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Speaker 4: a very talented receiver class with Ki Champ Bute, who

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Speaker 4: was with the Patriots last year and really the last

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Speaker 4: two years, I think has really evolved nicely and just

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Speaker 4: had a phenomenal season this year. I think when Bute

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Speaker 4: left last year and they were able to move neighbors

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he kind of touched on what my first

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Speaker 2: question is going to be about Malik in that this

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Speaker 2: past season especially, he found success, you know, no matter

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Speaker 2: where he lined up on the field as X receiver,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the slot wherever. But where do you

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Speaker 2: think then at the next level, where do you think

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Speaker 2: he will find the most success what wide receiver spot?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think it depends what you have,

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Speaker 4: you know, and this specificly, you know with you know

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Speaker 4: what's on the Giants roster, if he wants it with

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Speaker 4: the Giants. But you know, let me, let me take

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Speaker 4: a step back and let's bring Brian Thomas Junior into

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Speaker 4: the conversation because he's a pure X receiver. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's got first round grades as well. I was a

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Speaker 4: him playing, just a big kid, another four three forty

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Speaker 4: so in that case, it enabled neighbors to do a

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Speaker 4: lot of things. And a lot of times they just

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Speaker 4: And then there were other times because because Jane Daniels

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Speaker 4: finally said the heck with it, We're gonna bring people

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Speaker 4: up and try to stop this. And you play neighbors

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Speaker 4: man and man he'll run by you and he did

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Speaker 4: that time. No, there's no there's no doubt. And so

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Speaker 4: he can do a lot of things. I think. I

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Speaker 4: I think it's what do you want him to do?

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Speaker 4: Package wise, and he can go out and play acts,

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Speaker 4: he can play wide and run all of those routes.

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Speaker 4: I think he works really well in the middle of

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Speaker 4: that to Jefferson in the terms of the way that

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Speaker 4: he gets off jams. He's elusive beating man coverage. And

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Speaker 4: he's so good after the catch with the with the football.

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Speaker 4: I mean real strong bottom bottom half. You know, Chase

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Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, absolutely, just fantastic and I love him

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Speaker 3: League neighbors. By the way, he's my number two wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: a hair blow Marvin Harrison Junior. So this is me

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Speaker 3: trying to poke holes is the wrong word, but understanding

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Speaker 3: do you think he still has to improve? How rawsy

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Speaker 3: Neighbors is.

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Speaker 4: I think you'll continue to get better. I mean you

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Speaker 4: got a lot of balls with that. I'm not as

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Speaker 4: you know, everybody I think gets better with route running

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Speaker 4: when they get to the league. You got to go

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Speaker 4: back two years with this offense. I mean they were

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Speaker 4: with a transfer quarterback, first time coordinator. It took Jade

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Speaker 4: he got comf throw and he worked with those two

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Speaker 4: able to get their timing. You know, there were some

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Speaker 4: things that you know that they were really really successful

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Speaker 4: if iviously the go balls and you saw the Jane was

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Speaker 4: so much more accurate and did a better job with

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Speaker 4: stretching defenses. What I love about Neighbors is he understands

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Speaker 4: how to get off the line of scrimmage. She understands

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Speaker 4: I mean that's a that's an art. So I hear

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Speaker 4: if we're going to get into that. But you know,

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Speaker 4: as he first ran talent and is a blue collar kid,

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Speaker 4: he works hard, you know. And here's the other thing

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you, go get ten film clips of this

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Speaker 4: kid blocking right when other kids are when when when

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Speaker 4: you could put a highlight reel together of him blocking

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Speaker 4: down field. The twenty yard runs came to fifty to eighty.

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Speaker 4: You go back and watch Jane Daniels highlight them when

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Speaker 4: they get to the NFL draft and watch those receivers

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Speaker 4: blocking downfield. The Neighbors was one of the better ones you.

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Speaker 1: Actually just took.

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Speaker 2: But I was gonna ask my next question, how is

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Speaker 2: he as a run blocker? So instead a lot of

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Speaker 2: mock drafts that had the Giants taking a wide receiver

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Speaker 2: in the first round at six overall, somewhat split between

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Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors and romadonsa.

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Speaker 1: Neighbors probably the.

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Speaker 2: Best at creating separation of any wide receiver in this draft.

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Speaker 2: Romadunesa one of his you know, best qualities is his

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Speaker 2: ability to catch the contested balls. So how is Molikue

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Speaker 2: neighbors in that category in the contested passes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fantastic this year. I mean both of them.

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Speaker 4: I mean they put up again, you know, historic numbers,

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Speaker 4: and I mean this is an offense that comes a

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Speaker 4: those guys. Of course was different. Nineteen actually had a defense.

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Speaker 4: This year, this team didn't have a defense. They were

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Speaker 4: playing Nintendo numbers that sometimes. But I think it's fantastic

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Speaker 4: catching catching contested balls. He's he plays bigger, he plays

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Speaker 4: more physical, I think than probably when you look at

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Speaker 1: That's Gordy rush On the league Neighbors. Great stuff there.

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Speaker 3: Now let's head over to the Giant's second round pick,

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Speaker 3: Tyler Nuban. We had a chance to talk to Minnesota

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Speaker 3: Gopher Golden Gophers radio analyst Darryl Thompson about him.

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Speaker 5: Now we are joined by Darryl Thompson, radio analyst for

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Speaker 5: the Minnesota Gophers. He's a Minnesota alum and a former

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Speaker 5: Green Bay Packers running back, and he has watched a

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Speaker 5: lot of Tyler Nuban play over the last several years.

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Speaker 5: And Daryl the first thing that everybody says about him,

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Speaker 5: being one of the top three safeties in the draft,

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Speaker 5: depending upon you know which flavor of ice cream you wanted.

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Speaker 5: Is that his ability to ballhawk with the thirteen interceptions

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Speaker 5: the school record in fifty five appearances, just stuck out

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that for him it's come down to

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Speaker 6: a homework thing. He's not like incredibly fast or anything

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Speaker 6: six foot one almost two hundred pounds, so he's he's big.

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Speaker 6: He's got the size of two want to have in

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Speaker 6: a safety. But his his film work I think probably

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Speaker 6: rubbed off from Antoine Winfield a junior to be able

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Speaker 7: Just continued to take it.

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Speaker 6: To the next level with his you know, reading and

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Speaker 6: bringing the offense, knowing the tendencies of the players and

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Speaker 6: the quarterbacks be able to play that that Jeff game

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Speaker 6: in the second ear that you're always hoping that you're

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Speaker 6: you know, your free safety and start safety can play.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting you mentioned Antoine Winfield because when I talked

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Speaker 5: to Tyler at the combine, he mentioned Winfield as a

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Speaker 5: guy who set the standard and he seemed to take

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Speaker 5: a lot of pride in trying to live up to

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Speaker 5: those kinds of requirements, thinking that, you know, that's that's

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Speaker 5: what we all have to be. Seems like a guy

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Speaker 5: who is very self driven.

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Speaker 6: I think he's self driven, and I think there's also

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Speaker 6: a tremendous benefit to having a mentor like Antoine Winfield.

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Speaker 6: It's a I'm going to actually show you what to do,

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Speaker 6: and then you see it working with Antoine Winfield and

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Speaker 6: you see it working for him in the NFL and

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Speaker 6: Antiwan actually you know, I mean obviously he got it

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Speaker 6: from his father, you know, Antonine Winfield is you know,

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Speaker 6: looking at a film with this, you know, so that

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Speaker 6: there's a there's a big, big benefit to the history

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Speaker 6: he's continued to pass down to the safeties that are

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Speaker 5: He did mention at the combine, he was coming off

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Speaker 6: A little bit every once in a while. But I also,

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Speaker 6: Quite honestly, I'd probably see him a little bit closer.

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Speaker 5: Oh great stuff on safety Tyler Nubrin coming out of

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Speaker 5: so much, Darryl, Thank you thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: let's go to the giants third ground pick Andrew Phillips

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Speaker 3: to talk about him the Voice of the Kentucky Wildcats

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Speaker 5: Now we are joined by Tom Leach, host of The

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Speaker 5: Leech Report, of the Voice of the Wildcats, who's gotten

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Speaker 5: a good look at Drew Phillips. You know, Tommy came

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Speaker 10: I would just.

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Speaker 8: Refer you to Carrington Valentine with the Packers, who had

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Speaker 5: Could you tell us maybe the most important improvements that

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Speaker 8: Would come under the heading of the trust that he

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Speaker 8: So yes, I would see some of those matchups in practice.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're looking forward to watching Drew Phillips cornerback out

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Speaker 8: Stay well, happy to help, good luck to Drew.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff from Tom Leach.

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Speaker 3: Now we go to the Giants fourth round pick Fil

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Speaker 3: He's six six, he's two sixty. He ran really well

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Speaker 10: Well, that's in part because Penn State run has been

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Speaker 10: But he is with the size, the strength, everything that

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Speaker 10: he has He's going to be an excellent tight end

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Speaker 10: in the league moving forward. I mean he may not

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Speaker 10: be the number one guy out of the gate, but

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Speaker 10: eventually he'll be somebody's number one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: And if he can block at all, you know, just

445
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Speaker 11: a little bit canny, Steve, You don't you don't have

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Speaker 11: to block that much at that position because they could

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Speaker 11: do things with you. But that's good that as he

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Speaker 11: can block. I think, you know, with his measurables and

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Speaker 11: and you know his size, people give a lot of

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Speaker 11: you know, uh, you know, they pay attention to potential

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Speaker 11: a lot, you know, and the potential for him, I think.

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Speaker 1: Is very tight end is a testing position.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, sure, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Great stuff from Steve Jones talking about Theo Johnson. Now

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Speaker 3: let's go to Tyrone Tracy Junior out of Perdue, the

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Speaker 3: Giants running back. On selecting on Day three of the draft,

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Speaker 3: we had a chance to talk to Tom Dinehardt from

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Speaker 3: Goldenblock dot com about him.

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Speaker 5: And now we are joined by Tom Deanhard of blockinggold

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Speaker 5: dot com to talk about Tyrone Tracy, the running back

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Speaker 5: out of Purdue who the Giants were very excited about

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Speaker 5: drafting the other day. I think Tom one of the

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Speaker 5: things that is curious to so many people. After four

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Speaker 5: seasons at Iowa and then two seasons at Purdue, they're

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Speaker 5: getting a running back who spent what four and a

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Speaker 5: half years as a wide receiver before the conversion with

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Speaker 5: the Boilermakers. What was behind that conversion and how do

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Speaker 5: you feel he made the transition?

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Speaker 7: And you know, in high school at the Caterer Central

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Speaker 7: High School, he really was a running back. So he

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Speaker 7: made the move to receiver going to college at Iowa

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Speaker 7: and he never really took got a lot of tracks

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Speaker 7: up in Iowa City. Transferred to Perdue for his last

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Speaker 7: two years with the receiver his first year in West

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Speaker 7: Brofaiette under Jeff Brahm in twenty twenty two, and it

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Speaker 7: was largely had effective, I'll be honest with you. And

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Speaker 7: then of course the new head coach comes in here,

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Speaker 7: Ron Walters, and that was yempus new tyrone to running back,

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Speaker 7: and boy, what a smart move that was. Tracy just

480
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Speaker 7: really blossom this last year, went for almost eight hundred yards.

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Speaker 7: He can still catch the football too, and he really

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Speaker 7: showed his ability as a special teams player as well.

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Speaker 7: When to make a kickoff for a touchdowns he's a

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Speaker 7: very versatile player all around.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about his skill set for a minute.

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Speaker 5: Seventy six inch plus wingspan, which if you looked at

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Speaker 5: all the running backs in the combine, he had the

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Speaker 5: longest one or the widest one, if you will. He

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Speaker 5: was one of ten running backs who ran his sub

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Speaker 5: four or five and the forty, So we certainly had

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Speaker 5: a couple of extremely attractive physical traits. Are you surprised

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Speaker 5: that he went where he did or should those traits

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Speaker 5: have driven him up the board a little more? Or

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Speaker 5: is that simply because he didn't play a lot of

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Speaker 5: running back in college that maybe he was overlooked some.

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Speaker 7: I think he ran exactly where you were supposed to go.

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Speaker 7: All projections going into this draft was he was going

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Speaker 7: to be probably a Day three pick. I saw some

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Speaker 7: calls for him to be a fifth rounder, and sure enough,

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Speaker 7: it turns out he was picking the fifth round by

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Speaker 7: the Giants. So yeah, he's still really sort of a

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Speaker 7: I guess, a work in progress, if you will. Haven't

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Speaker 7: played running back this one full year in college. Still

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Speaker 7: has a lot of tread on his tire, you know,

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Speaker 7: has it taken a lot of hits? And yes, he's

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Speaker 7: a guy I think his best footballer is in front

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Speaker 7: of him. And I'll tell you what he talked about

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Speaker 7: the combine. He went down to Indianapolis and that's really

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Speaker 7: where he turned heads. I think with that four yard

510
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Speaker 7: dash time you're in that means everybody sit up and

511
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Speaker 7: pay attention. He had a nice pro day here Wes

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Speaker 7: Lafayette a week or two later, and a lot of

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Speaker 7: scouts here to watch Tyler and Trace, and I think

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Speaker 7: that stilled the deal for him in a draft choice.

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Speaker 7: And like I said, Ron, you know, catch the ball,

516
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Speaker 7: block returned kicks. I think that versatil they really added

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Speaker 7: even more value to the Tracy in the eyes of

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Speaker 7: the NFL scouts.

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Speaker 5: Well, if I would talk about his rushing stats last

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Speaker 5: year almost six and a half yards of carry three

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Speaker 5: one hundred yard games, what were his skills as a

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Speaker 5: running back that impressed you the most? Because we all

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Speaker 5: know if you play running back in the NFL, one

524
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Speaker 5: of the things you have have to do it that

525
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Speaker 5: doesn't show up in the stat line is be able

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Speaker 5: to pick up the blitz.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for the most part, Well, I could tell not

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Speaker 7: like I was watching the film looking for blitz pick

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Speaker 7: up all the time, But I never heard any make

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Speaker 7: complaining about his inability to block or to pick up

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Speaker 7: the blitz. You're not going to be out there. You

532
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Speaker 7: can't pick up the blitzer the running back because the

533
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Speaker 7: staff doesn't want the quarterback to get killed.

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Speaker 8: So Trace, I.

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Speaker 7: Think, is a good enough blocker. You know, he has

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Speaker 7: that vision. People always talked about running back the ability

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Speaker 7: to hit the whole downhill and tough. You know, you

538
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Speaker 7: gotta be tough, and I think Tracy more than proven,

539
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Speaker 7: must have to be a tough ball player as well.

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Speaker 7: And I always talk about I go back to his

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Speaker 7: ability to catch the football. If the guy who really

542
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Speaker 7: doesn't have to come off the field, he can be

543
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Speaker 7: a reading four down back for you. You can again

544
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Speaker 7: carry the ball for you early on, and he'd also

545
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Speaker 7: come out of the backfield and catch it for you too,

546
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Speaker 7: even split out wide. So I think that versatility and

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Speaker 7: that variety of skills just spends more value to him.

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Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like there's a lot to like there.

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Speaker 5: What will be his biggest adjustment as he makes it

550
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Speaker 5: up here into the NFL and tries to earn some

551
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Speaker 5: playing time. What is he going to have to either

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Speaker 5: learn or polish up in your estimation.

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Speaker 7: Just I think at the state of the game, everything

554
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 7: at that level is so much faster. Everybody's bigger, stronger, faster,

555
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Speaker 7: quick er, tougher. Holes develop and close very quickly at

556
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Speaker 7: that NFL level too, So just I think adjust the

557
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Speaker 7: od off speed of the game. I think he's going

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Speaker 7: to be not not your adjustment for him, but everybody

559
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Speaker 7: makes that leap. And the thing about Tyrone Tracy too,

560
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Speaker 7: is he he's maturer. Like I said, he was in

561
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Speaker 7: college for six years. He got out of high school

562
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Speaker 7: in twenty eighteen, so he's at least twenty three years

563
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Speaker 7: old at this point. So he's going to be able

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Speaker 7: to think handle some of emotional things and some of

565
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Speaker 7: the complexities of these NFL offenses, which should hope they

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Speaker 7: make his transition a little bit smooter at the next

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Speaker 7: level here.

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Speaker 5: So suffice it to say, it sounds like it wouldn't

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Speaker 5: surprise you if he gives them some very snaps even

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Speaker 5: as a rookie.

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Speaker 7: I think, se I'm not familiar with your running back

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Speaker 7: situation there, but I got to think he's a guy

573
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Speaker 7: that can help you off the bench, be a spot

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Speaker 7: guy here, be a full time special teams player and

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Speaker 7: get some spots snaps. I think on the offense, I

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Speaker 7: would think particularly on more third and long situations, Tyl

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Speaker 7: and Tracy leading more valuable because of those billings to

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Speaker 7: run in catch.

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Speaker 5: Great stuff on Tyrone Tracy running back out of Purdue

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Speaker 5: as part of the Giants twenty twenty four draft class.

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Speaker 5: That's Tom Deanhart of Black and Goold dot com. Tom,

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Speaker 5: thanks for your time, enjoy your summer.

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Speaker 3: up with Matt Stevens, radio analyst for UCLA. He had

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Speaker 3: a chance to talk to us about linebacker Darius Mussou.

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Speaker 5: Darius Mosseau, and I think I got that pretty close

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Speaker 5: undersize linebacker only ran four to seven is the time

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Speaker 5: that I saw for him at the combine. So maybe

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Speaker 5: in some statistical categories he might be a ted overmatch,

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Speaker 5: but I think a guy on special teams at the

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Speaker 5: very least should be able to carve out something of

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Speaker 5: an NFL career.

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Speaker 12: Note Yep, Garris Muissau is how you pronounce him, by

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Speaker 12: the way, that's all right. And he had a really

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Speaker 12: productive career at Hawaii and then he came to UCLA,

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Speaker 12: and the first year at UCLA he seemed a tad

607
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Speaker 12: bit slow, to be honest with you, and then his

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Speaker 12: senior year.

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Speaker 13: He got faster, he got stronger. You really saw a

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Speaker 13: lot of improvement. His instincts are off the charts. I mean,

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Speaker 13: he can play really well him pass coverage. He knows

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Speaker 13: how to time his blitches, shoot gaps, he can make

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Speaker 13: a tackle in the open field. He's gonna play on

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Speaker 13: special teams, Yes, I do think he's going to find

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Speaker 13: a role on defense, and then he's going to be a.

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Speaker 12: Guy that all of a sudden, Wow, he's in his

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Speaker 12: eighth and nine year as an infel player, he's that

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Speaker 12: smart of a guy. He understands everything you need out

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Speaker 12: of a middle linebacker, and he make sure everybody's lined

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Speaker 12: up in the right position.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: We thank Gordy, Darryl, Tom, Steve, Tom, and Matt All

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Speaker 3: hope you guys don't a lot from those interviews. I

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Speaker 3: for checking him out, and we thought it would be

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