WEBVTT - "What a Bloody Mess we're in" - Britain's [REDACTED] Accident 

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. A nasty flu bug was going around Cumberland, in

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<v Speaker 1>the northwest of England. Tom Tooey hadn't got it, but

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<v Speaker 1>his wife and kids had, so he had taken the

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<v Speaker 1>day off to look after them. At five o'clock in

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon, he got a call from work.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you come in?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a fire. Good God, said Towey. He got in

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<v Speaker 1>his car and drove the quiet country lanes to his workplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Cumberland was remote, They're not that remote. There were farms

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<v Speaker 1>and villages. People lived there. That was a concern because

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<v Speaker 1>to his workplace was a nuclear reactor. How bad was

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<v Speaker 1>it exactly for a nuclear reactor to be on fire? Too?

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't sure. Nuclear technology was still very new in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty seven. Only just over a decade had passed

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<v Speaker 1>since the first nuclear bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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<v Speaker 1>The nuclear accidents at Three Mile Island and Schnobyl laid

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<v Speaker 1>decades in the future as too. He later reflected, mankind

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<v Speaker 1>had never faced anything like this ever before, So no,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Towey wasn't sure exactly how bad it was that

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<v Speaker 1>the nuclear reactor was on fire, but clearly it wasn't good.

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<v Speaker 1>How much radioactivity might leak out if the fire got worse,

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<v Speaker 1>how much might be leaking out already. The wife of

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<v Speaker 1>another worker recalls getting a phone call at about the

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<v Speaker 1>same time as Tooey was called in. Where's the baby,

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<v Speaker 1>asked the worker in his proud, said the wife. In

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<v Speaker 1>the garden getting some sun. Bring him inside, said the worker.

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<v Speaker 1>Close the doors and the windows. Oh, unlock the hens

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<v Speaker 1>in the henhouse. Then don't go out. I won't be

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<v Speaker 1>home tonight too. He arrives at Windscale. It's a collection

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<v Speaker 1>of stark concrete buildings on the coast with two massive chimneys.

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<v Speaker 1>It was built in a hurry just a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Why the hurry? The United States and the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>both had the nuclear bomb. The British government wanted the

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<v Speaker 1>bomb too. Besides, uclear energy was new, exciting and full

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<v Speaker 1>of possibilities, As the UK Atomic Energy Authority was eager

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<v Speaker 1>to make clear in its promotional films, Windscale is unique.

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<v Speaker 2>It is science fiction, intruding on our sober lives and

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<v Speaker 2>let us up very great produce our plutonium, a pure

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<v Speaker 2>atomic fuel of both industrial and weapons projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Too. He thinks had better see this fire for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only one way to do that. He climbs eighty

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<v Speaker 1>feet up a metal staircase to an inspection hole. He

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<v Speaker 1>lifts the metal cover of the hole and peers down

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<v Speaker 1>into the reactor. Below him is a raging inferno. A

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<v Speaker 1>thought flashes across Tom to his mind, what a bloody

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<v Speaker 1>mess we're in. I'm Tim Harford and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>cautionary tales. Lorna Rainbow started school a year later than

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<v Speaker 1>she could have. The school was over a mile from

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<v Speaker 1>the farm her family rented, and they didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>time to walk her there and back. You had to

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<v Speaker 1>work all hours to make ends meet as a tenant

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<v Speaker 1>farmer in southern England in the early nineteen twenties. When

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<v Speaker 1>Lorna was five, her parents thought she was probably still

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<v Speaker 1>a bit too young to walk the mile to school

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<v Speaker 1>on her own, but at six, off she went. The

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<v Speaker 1>walk to school was down a rutted lane, dusty in

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<v Speaker 1>the summer, muddy in the winter. Traffic wasn't a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>There might be an occasional horse and cart, but the

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<v Speaker 1>lane passed only a couple of other houses. The main danger,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in six year old Lorna's mind, was a

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<v Speaker 1>big oak tree where rumor had it that a man

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<v Speaker 1>had once been hanged. Could it be haunted? Every day?

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<v Speaker 1>Lorna ran past the tree, her heart thumping, But the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the walk was enchanting. Lorna remembers a lovely

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<v Speaker 1>profusion of wild flowers by the roadside. Birds and birds

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<v Speaker 1>sold tiny emerald green frogs in the puddles in wet

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<v Speaker 1>and stormy. Whether I would sing as I splashed through

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<v Speaker 1>the puddles and my rubber boots in winter every winter

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<v Speaker 1>the magic of snow. The school had just two rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>one for little kids one for bigger kids. Up to

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<v Speaker 1>the age of fourteen, then you'd leave to work on

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<v Speaker 1>a farm, or as a housemaid, or maybe a shop assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>The local town had a Woolworth's. It also had a

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<v Speaker 1>secondary school, and you could sit an exam to earn

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<v Speaker 1>a scholarship, but nobody from Lorna's school had ever even tried.

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<v Speaker 1>Further education wasn't something kids aspired to, especially girls. Lorna

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<v Speaker 1>remembers a poem her grandmother used to recite, be good,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet maid, and let who will be clever. Lorna's dad

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<v Speaker 1>was more encouraging be good, sweet maid. He'd tell her

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<v Speaker 1>of a wink and if you must be clever. On

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the exam, Lorna was terrified. A vast

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<v Speaker 1>school hall, endless rows of desks, and a paper that

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<v Speaker 1>said intelligence test. She'd never seen anything like it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the test turned out to be a wonderful new game.

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<v Speaker 1>At her new school, the girls spoke of loftier ambitions.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they could be a nurse, or a teacher, or

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<v Speaker 1>a secretary at least for a few years until they

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<v Speaker 1>got married. Lorna liked English and history, but physics in

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry were barely on the curriculum. I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>She recalls that in nineteen thirty two, two scientists in

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<v Speaker 1>Cambridge had split the atom. This fact would be central

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<v Speaker 1>to my later life. In Cambridge in the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>a young man called Bill Penny was doing original research

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<v Speaker 1>for his doctorate in quantum physics. Though if you'd met

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<v Speaker 1>him you might not have guessed it. Penny was burly,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred meter runner and on the soccer pitch, a robust,

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<v Speaker 1>bustling center forward of the old fashioned type. He was

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<v Speaker 1>shy and prone to blushing. He talked in a drawl

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<v Speaker 1>and had a lot sided grin permanently on his face.

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<v Speaker 1>His wooly sweaters were a bit too baggy. He looked

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<v Speaker 1>and spoke, said one journalist, as though he was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit simple. When the Second World War broke out, the

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<v Speaker 1>government asked Penny to make calculations about blast waves from

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<v Speaker 1>explosions as German bombs rained down on London. Penny became

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<v Speaker 1>such an expert that in nineteen forty four he went

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<v Speaker 1>to Los Alamos to join the Manhattan Project. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>his American colleagues didn't know what to make of him.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave a talk explaining in gruesome detail the effects

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<v Speaker 1>of last waves on the human body, all with that

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<v Speaker 1>amiable grin. They nicknamed him the Smiling Killer. But Penny

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<v Speaker 1>soon won friends. He was completely without pretense. He had

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no side or standoffishness. Someone who hosted him recalls

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<v Speaker 1>it was like having a teddy bear in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>But the teddy bear had a mind like a razor.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Americans wanted to know how high above Hiroshima

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<v Speaker 1>and Nagasaki to detonate their bombs, it was Penny they

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<v Speaker 1>trusted with the calculation. Afterwards, Penny flew to Japan and

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<v Speaker 1>roamed through the ruined cities, looking for clues that would

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<v Speaker 1>let him calculate exactly how much power the blasted unleashed.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked it out by mapping crumpled gasoline cans. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in Britain, Penny looked forward to a quiet life in academia.

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<v Speaker 1>But the government had other ideas. Britain. They told him

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<v Speaker 1>needed the atom bomb. As it happened, Penny agreed. Had

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<v Speaker 1>seen up close in Japan the horrors of the bomb,

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<v Speaker 1>he bought the logic that Britain would be safer with

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<v Speaker 1>its own nuclear deterrent. But now the war was over,

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<v Speaker 1>the US had decided no longer to share its nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge with its allies. The only person who can build

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb for Britain, the government told Penny, is you.

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<v Speaker 1>Penny agreed reluctantly to lead a team of scientists that

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<v Speaker 1>rapidly grew from the hundreds to the thousands. One interviewer

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<v Speaker 1>invited Penny to big himself up. How many people are

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<v Speaker 1>working under you, Penny replied, in his laconic drawl about her.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen fifty two, Penny was ready for the first

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<v Speaker 1>test of Britain's new atomic technology in a remote part

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia. The Prime Minister waited anxiously to hear if

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<v Speaker 1>the test had failed or succeeded. It said he had

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<v Speaker 1>two telegrams ready. One began, tough luck, Dr Penny, the

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<v Speaker 1>other well done, Sir William. A journalist later asked Sir

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<v Speaker 1>William Penny to describe how the test had gone. It

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<v Speaker 1>went off, he replied, like a bomb. The British government

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<v Speaker 1>hoped to use the successful test to persuade America to

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<v Speaker 1>agree to a partnership to share nuclear knowledge. But while

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<v Speaker 1>Britain had been catching up, America had moved ahead from

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<v Speaker 1>the A bomb to the H bomb. H bombs worked

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<v Speaker 1>very differently and were much more powerful. Britain would have

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<v Speaker 1>to build an H bomb too. They'd need plutonium, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of plutonium, and quickly they'd manufacture it. At Windscale Cautionary

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<v Speaker 1>tails will be back after the break. What a bloody

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<v Speaker 1>mess we're in. Tom Tooy closes the inspection hole and

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<v Speaker 1>descends the eighty feet of metal steps, thinking about his options.

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<v Speaker 1>The nuclear reactor at Windscale was cooled by air, not

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<v Speaker 1>by water. If something's too hot, blowing more air on

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<v Speaker 1>it is generally a good way to cool it down.

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<v Speaker 1>But if something's on fire blowing air on it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to make the fire worse. Could he turn off

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<v Speaker 1>the fans to try to put the fire out? He could,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was risky. Only part of the reactor was

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<v Speaker 1>on fire, the fans were still cooling the rest. Turning

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<v Speaker 1>off the fans could make the rest overheat, which might

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<v Speaker 1>make things worse. It was a last resort. Could he

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<v Speaker 1>dump water on the reactor to try to put the

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<v Speaker 1>fire out? He could, but it was risky. The reactor

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<v Speaker 1>core was made from graphite. Picture a kind of honeycomb,

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<v Speaker 1>and inside each hole a series of metal canisters containing

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<v Speaker 1>uranium fuel. What would happen if you dumped a load

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<v Speaker 1>of water on a burning mass of uranium, metal and graphite.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody was sure, as Tom Tooey said, mankind had never

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<v Speaker 1>faced anything like this, ever, that it might release gas

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<v Speaker 1>that could cause an explosion. Water was a second from

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<v Speaker 1>last resort. Workers at Windscale had been trying to create

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<v Speaker 1>a firebreak by using steel poles to push the uranium

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<v Speaker 1>canisters out of the honeycomb holes around the part of

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<v Speaker 1>the core where the fire was burning. Now dripping with

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<v Speaker 1>sweat in their heavy protective suits, they start trying to

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<v Speaker 1>shove the burning canisters out of the fiery core itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard and canisters are twisted by the heat. The

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<v Speaker 1>poles come out, glowing red and dripping molten steel. They

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<v Speaker 1>need more steel poles. They made the scaffolding on a

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<v Speaker 1>nearby construction site. They were heroes that night, an officer

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<v Speaker 1>later said of the workers. But were their heroics having

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<v Speaker 1>an effect? At close to midnight, Tom Tooey climbs the

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<v Speaker 1>eighty feet of steps again to peer through the inspection hole.

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<v Speaker 1>The fire has spread. At Lorna Rainbow's secondary school for girls,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody had ever gone on to university. Lorna's teachers encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>her to sit the scholarship exams once again. She aced them.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon after she finished her English degree, the Second World

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<v Speaker 1>War broke out. As men signed up to fight, women

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<v Speaker 1>filled the jobs they vacated. Lorna received a telegram from

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<v Speaker 1>the War Office inviting her to interview for the post

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<v Speaker 1>of Junior administrative Assistant. At first, she felt bewilled. There

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<v Speaker 1>was so much to learn, she recalls, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>woefully ignorant. I had no office experience and knew nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about the army. She began by arranging rooms for meetings

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<v Speaker 1>and being a general gopher. Then her boss asked her

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<v Speaker 1>to write up the meeting minutes and then to draft

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<v Speaker 1>papers and briefing notes. He'd go through them with her,

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<v Speaker 1>sentence by sentence. What's your basis for saying this? Should

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<v Speaker 1>you explain that point more fully? Think? Who's your readership?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell your story in a way your readers will understand.

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<v Speaker 1>She thanked him for his kindness in mentoring her, and

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<v Speaker 1>he laughed he wasn't being kind, He'd simply seen how

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<v Speaker 1>quickly she could learn. Lorna was promoted to work on

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<v Speaker 1>plans for the occupation of Berlin. When Germany surrendered, she

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<v Speaker 1>was sent to Berlin. She spent her first night in

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<v Speaker 1>a ground floor flat with broken windows, listening to Russian

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers marauled through the streets, singing drunken songs and shooting

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. What if they came in through her

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<v Speaker 1>broken window? The next morning she mentioned her concern to

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<v Speaker 1>an officer here. He said, have a revolver. Lorna worked

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<v Speaker 1>on setting up administration of the British Stone of Berlin

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<v Speaker 1>and was surprised to find that she was senior to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the army clerks. Yes, sir, let's say to her,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Rainbow, Sir. But the British were strapped for resources.

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<v Speaker 1>Their needs support from America. Lorna was sent to Washington

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<v Speaker 1>to help with the negotiation. At a lunch to celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>the deal, the Secretary of State began his speech with

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<v Speaker 1>a smile in Lorna's direction. Lady and gentlemen. Lorna spent

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<v Speaker 1>three years in Washington, profiled in the newspapers as a

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<v Speaker 1>vital cog in the diplomatic wheel. Then she resigned. Why

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed perfectly natural, She later explained, the world was

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<v Speaker 1>changing from a wartime to a post war situation. Women

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<v Speaker 1>who had filled the gaps during the war were generally

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<v Speaker 1>being displaced. It never occurred to me to think that

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<v Speaker 1>I had established any rights to a special position in

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<v Speaker 1>this man's world. With hindsight, she says, she could have

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<v Speaker 1>continued her career, but at the time, I simply felt

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd done my bit. Lorna moved back to England

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<v Speaker 1>and got a low level office job, and her husband

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that what women were supposed to do? Be good,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet maid, and let who will be clever? At one

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning, the phone rings at the home

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<v Speaker 1>of the Chief Constable of Cumberland. A few years earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd met bosses at Windscale to agree on procedures in

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<v Speaker 1>case of a major emergency, which was he was assured

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<v Speaker 1>only a remote possibility. Could he dust off that file

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<v Speaker 1>and start to implement the procedures? The Chief Constable makes

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<v Speaker 1>calls through the night. A fleet of buses descends on Cumberland,

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<v Speaker 1>ready to evacuate villages downwind of the reactor. At Windscale.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Toohey searches desperately for an alternative to water as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to quench the fire. A huge amount of

0:20:09.650 --> 0:20:14.730
<v Speaker 1>some inert gas like argone might do it. But where

0:20:14.770 --> 0:20:17.090
<v Speaker 1>is he going to get a huge amount of argone

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<v Speaker 1>in rural England. In the middle of the night, he

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<v Speaker 1>tracks down a tanker of carbon dioxide. It's worth a try.

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<v Speaker 1>At four in the morning, he pumps in the carbon dioxide,

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<v Speaker 1>then climbs the eighty feet of steps again to peer

0:20:35.370 --> 0:20:42.130
<v Speaker 1>through the inspection hole. The fire still burns. They'll have

0:20:42.250 --> 0:20:46.570
<v Speaker 1>to risk the water. Two. He lines up the hoses

0:20:46.650 --> 0:21:02.610
<v Speaker 1>with the honeycomb holes and turns on the taps. Sir

0:21:02.690 --> 0:21:06.610
<v Speaker 1>William Penny had got a knighthood in nineteen fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>for building Briton's for A bomb, But the reward he

0:21:12.010 --> 0:21:17.170
<v Speaker 1>really wanted was a quiet life in academia, not a chance,

0:21:17.490 --> 0:21:20.530
<v Speaker 1>said the government. You need to build us an H bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Penny dutifully got to work, despite giving everyone the general

0:21:26.890 --> 0:21:30.530
<v Speaker 1>impression that he would much rather be digging his garden.

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<v Speaker 1>The task became urgent. America and Russia were discussing an

0:21:37.570 --> 0:21:42.650
<v Speaker 1>international treaty to ban nuclear tests. Penny would have to

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<v Speaker 1>test his H bomb before that ban came in. He

0:21:47.090 --> 0:21:51.050
<v Speaker 1>knew he wasn't ready, and he thought the test might fail.

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<v Speaker 1>It did, but it brought a backup plan, a massive

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<v Speaker 1>A bomb that might make a big enough blast to

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<v Speaker 1>fool a lay person into thinking it was an H bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who knew the secret called the massive A bomb

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<v Speaker 1>the Penny Dreadful. It went off impressively. Assembled journalists duly

0:22:17.810 --> 0:22:22.290
<v Speaker 1>reported that Penny's H bomb test had been a great success.

0:22:23.130 --> 0:22:31.690
<v Speaker 1>Penny said nothing. In nineteen fifty seven, the US President

0:22:31.970 --> 0:22:35.450
<v Speaker 1>finally agreed to the British Prime Minister's request for a

0:22:35.570 --> 0:22:41.930
<v Speaker 1>nuclear information sharing partnership, but Congress still had to approve

0:22:42.010 --> 0:22:45.770
<v Speaker 1>the deal. The Prime minister could only hope that nothing

0:22:45.810 --> 0:22:49.770
<v Speaker 1>would happen in the meantime that might call into question

0:22:50.530 --> 0:22:56.970
<v Speaker 1>Britain's competence as a nuclear power. Then news reached the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister from Cumberland. The reactor at Windscale was on

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<v Speaker 1>fire and nobody knew how bad it might be. Water

0:23:11.650 --> 0:23:16.970
<v Speaker 1>gushes through the hoses onto the burning reactor core. Tom

0:23:17.050 --> 0:23:23.090
<v Speaker 1>Tooey waits anxiously, an explosion might kill him, but there's

0:23:23.090 --> 0:23:29.130
<v Speaker 1>no explosion. Once again, he climbs the eighty feet of

0:23:29.210 --> 0:23:35.570
<v Speaker 1>steps to peer through the inspection hole. The water isn't working,

0:23:36.450 --> 0:23:41.410
<v Speaker 1>the fire is still raging. It's time for the last

0:23:41.450 --> 0:23:50.610
<v Speaker 1>resort two. He shuts off the fans, the fire dies out,

0:23:51.970 --> 0:23:57.410
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the reactor doesn't overheat. At midday, the

0:23:57.570 --> 0:24:03.170
<v Speaker 1>Chief Constable of Cumberland gets another phone call, panic over

0:24:04.450 --> 0:24:09.250
<v Speaker 1>no need to evacuate any villages. Tom Tooey drives back

0:24:09.290 --> 0:24:15.930
<v Speaker 1>home to his sick wife and children and collapses into bed. Exhausted.

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<v Speaker 1>But why had the fire happened? They were bound to

0:24:23.330 --> 0:24:28.370
<v Speaker 1>be awkward questions from the Americans. They needed answers, and

0:24:28.650 --> 0:24:33.010
<v Speaker 1>quickly the government set up an inquiry and asks their

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<v Speaker 1>go to nuclear experts to share it. Sir William Penny

0:24:43.290 --> 0:24:48.810
<v Speaker 1>lorna rainbow took her husband's name. Now she was Lorna Arnold,

0:24:49.850 --> 0:24:53.370
<v Speaker 1>but her husband turned out to be secretly struggling with

0:24:53.450 --> 0:24:57.850
<v Speaker 1>his sexuality. He came out as gay and left her,

0:24:58.650 --> 0:25:02.330
<v Speaker 1>not daring to tell her to her face. By the

0:25:02.410 --> 0:25:06.410
<v Speaker 1>time she received his letter of farewell, he had left

0:25:06.410 --> 0:25:10.970
<v Speaker 1>the country and she was left alone with two young

0:25:11.050 --> 0:25:17.410
<v Speaker 1>children and a low level office job. One lunchtime in

0:25:17.530 --> 0:25:21.010
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty eight, Lorna sat at the desk in her

0:25:21.130 --> 0:25:25.050
<v Speaker 1>office in London with a cheese sandwich brought from home

0:25:25.770 --> 0:25:29.890
<v Speaker 1>and a cup of instant coffee, trying to summon up

0:25:29.930 --> 0:25:34.930
<v Speaker 1>the enthusiasm to embark on a fresh pile of tedious papers.

0:25:35.930 --> 0:25:39.090
<v Speaker 1>They were sunny outside. She decided to go for a

0:25:39.130 --> 0:25:42.890
<v Speaker 1>walk and cheer herself up with a proper coffee from

0:25:42.930 --> 0:25:46.130
<v Speaker 1>one of the new Italian places that were opening in London.

0:25:47.130 --> 0:25:51.250
<v Speaker 1>There she bumped into a man she hadn't seen for years.

0:25:51.890 --> 0:25:55.810
<v Speaker 1>They'd been in Berlin together. How's your life turned out,

0:25:56.570 --> 0:26:01.050
<v Speaker 1>the man asked, I'm forty two years old, said Lorna.

0:26:01.930 --> 0:26:05.090
<v Speaker 1>I'm bringing up two sons on my own. My job

0:26:05.130 --> 0:26:09.810
<v Speaker 1>doesn't pay much and it bores me senseless. The man

0:26:09.930 --> 0:26:14.770
<v Speaker 1>was shocked. How had that happened. He had seen in

0:26:14.810 --> 0:26:19.690
<v Speaker 1>the war how brilliant Lorna was. Everyone had except Larna herself.

0:26:21.290 --> 0:26:26.690
<v Speaker 1>Leave it with me, he said. Lorna got a letter

0:26:27.250 --> 0:26:32.250
<v Speaker 1>inviting her to an interview with the UK Atomic Energy Authority.

0:26:33.530 --> 0:26:38.370
<v Speaker 1>We're expanding our staff, the director explained, because we're studying

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<v Speaker 1>the aftermath of an incident at Windscale. Lorna said, I

0:26:43.530 --> 0:26:47.570
<v Speaker 1>know nothing about science. I can't possibly be of any

0:26:47.690 --> 0:26:54.890
<v Speaker 1>use to you. She got the job. Cautionary tales will

0:26:54.890 --> 0:27:07.290
<v Speaker 1>be back after the break. Just six days had passed

0:27:07.290 --> 0:27:12.810
<v Speaker 1>since the fire when so William Penny arrived at Windscale.

0:27:13.250 --> 0:27:17.290
<v Speaker 1>He called in the workers, still drained from their sleepless night.

0:27:18.610 --> 0:27:23.370
<v Speaker 1>One recalls feeling intimidated at first Penny was a big man,

0:27:24.450 --> 0:27:30.730
<v Speaker 1>but he soon found that Penny was also extremely pleasant, courteous, thoughtful,

0:27:31.690 --> 0:27:38.970
<v Speaker 1>very polite. Indeed, the story Penny heard began five years earlier.

0:27:39.450 --> 0:27:45.050
<v Speaker 1>Soon after Windscale opened, workers had noticed a sudden increase

0:27:45.130 --> 0:27:50.010
<v Speaker 1>in temperature in part of the reactor core. Nobody understood it.

0:27:51.010 --> 0:27:55.370
<v Speaker 1>Nuclear technology was still very new. It turned out to

0:27:55.410 --> 0:28:01.250
<v Speaker 1>be something called Vigner energy. The reactor core, remember, was

0:28:01.290 --> 0:28:06.530
<v Speaker 1>a graphite honeycomb in which were placed cartridges of uranium

0:28:06.850 --> 0:28:11.610
<v Speaker 1>as radioactive particles from the urania and buffeted that graphite honeycomb.

0:28:12.130 --> 0:28:16.530
<v Speaker 1>They knocked atoms in the graphite out of place. This

0:28:16.690 --> 0:28:20.570
<v Speaker 1>caused a build up of Vigner energy, which could randomly

0:28:20.610 --> 0:28:25.410
<v Speaker 1>release itself in a burst of heat. This was a problem.

0:28:25.850 --> 0:28:31.170
<v Speaker 1>You don't want bits of your reactor randomly overheating. To

0:28:31.210 --> 0:28:34.050
<v Speaker 1>prevent that, they'd have to release the Vigner energy in

0:28:34.090 --> 0:28:39.410
<v Speaker 1>a controlled way. Every few months, the windscale workers performed

0:28:39.450 --> 0:28:43.610
<v Speaker 1>a Vigner release. They let the reactor core heat up,

0:28:44.490 --> 0:28:48.610
<v Speaker 1>not too much, just enough for the graphite atoms to

0:28:48.730 --> 0:28:55.370
<v Speaker 1>safely rearrange themselves. They'd done this Vigner release eight times.

0:28:56.010 --> 0:29:00.930
<v Speaker 1>It worked kind of but not in the same way.

0:29:01.050 --> 0:29:05.330
<v Speaker 1>Every time, as they let the core heat up, it

0:29:05.370 --> 0:29:11.810
<v Speaker 1>would heat unevenly. They'd have to decid keep heating to

0:29:11.890 --> 0:29:15.010
<v Speaker 1>get the cooler parts of the core to the required temperature,

0:29:15.930 --> 0:29:20.130
<v Speaker 1>or stop heating to prevent the hotter parts from getting

0:29:20.170 --> 0:29:25.410
<v Speaker 1>too hot. There was no operating manual. The workers just

0:29:25.490 --> 0:29:30.090
<v Speaker 1>had to figure it out as best they could. On

0:29:30.170 --> 0:29:34.050
<v Speaker 1>the ninth Vigna release, it seemed they'd applied too much

0:29:34.130 --> 0:29:40.730
<v Speaker 1>heat and the core caught fire. But what really caused

0:29:40.770 --> 0:29:44.570
<v Speaker 1>the fire was that nobody at Windscale really understood what

0:29:44.610 --> 0:29:49.490
<v Speaker 1>they were doing. Why did each vignim release happen differently?

0:29:50.330 --> 0:29:54.890
<v Speaker 1>They didn't know, and they were working with only partial information.

0:29:56.170 --> 0:29:59.850
<v Speaker 1>There weren't enough instruments in the core to check temperatures everywhere.

0:30:00.890 --> 0:30:05.570
<v Speaker 1>They were also understaffed. In the hurry to build the bomb,

0:30:06.330 --> 0:30:10.890
<v Speaker 1>the British nuclear program had expanded too before enough workers

0:30:10.930 --> 0:30:16.330
<v Speaker 1>could be properly trained. After ten days in Windscale, Penny

0:30:16.530 --> 0:30:22.250
<v Speaker 1>wrote up his findings. These explained the underlying problems. He

0:30:22.330 --> 0:30:26.210
<v Speaker 1>didn't blame the workers for the fire, and he praised

0:30:26.250 --> 0:30:29.730
<v Speaker 1>how they had fought it. They were prompt and efficient,

0:30:30.090 --> 0:30:37.090
<v Speaker 1>he said, and displayed considerable devotion to duty. Penny's report

0:30:37.730 --> 0:30:43.170
<v Speaker 1>landed on the Prime Minister's desk. The Prime Minister was

0:30:43.410 --> 0:30:50.370
<v Speaker 1>horrified it made the British nuclear program look amateurish. If

0:30:50.450 --> 0:30:54.130
<v Speaker 1>members of the US Congress saw this, they might refuse

0:30:54.250 --> 0:30:59.930
<v Speaker 1>to approve Britain as a nuclear partner. Penny's report couldn't

0:30:59.970 --> 0:31:03.890
<v Speaker 1>be published. The Prime Minister ordered that the report be

0:31:04.010 --> 0:31:07.610
<v Speaker 1>locked away in a filing cabinet and issued his own

0:31:07.890 --> 0:31:15.290
<v Speaker 1>summary instead. His summary blamed the workers. They'd made an

0:31:15.410 --> 0:31:24.690
<v Speaker 1>error of judgment, he said, sorry, won't happen again. Congress

0:31:24.810 --> 0:31:29.850
<v Speaker 1>approved the NUCTAR partnership. Britain's scientists now had access to

0:31:30.090 --> 0:31:36.570
<v Speaker 1>US expertise. A few months later, the US delegation visited Windscale.

0:31:37.250 --> 0:31:40.850
<v Speaker 1>They were shown round by high powered bosses who hadn't

0:31:40.890 --> 0:31:44.490
<v Speaker 1>been at Windscale during the fire, and told a story

0:31:44.490 --> 0:31:50.250
<v Speaker 1>that bore no relation to what actually happened. Tom Tooey

0:31:50.290 --> 0:31:54.490
<v Speaker 1>had to sit and listen, and they didn't let him

0:31:54.610 --> 0:31:58.450
<v Speaker 1>say a word. What did you think of that? An

0:31:58.450 --> 0:32:02.610
<v Speaker 1>interviewer later asked tooe How polite do you want me

0:32:02.650 --> 0:32:08.170
<v Speaker 1>to be too? He replied, I thought, what a shower

0:32:08.170 --> 0:32:18.610
<v Speaker 1>of bus. Under British law, secret government papers are usually

0:32:18.650 --> 0:32:24.370
<v Speaker 1>published after thirty years have passed. Thirty years after Windscale

0:32:24.730 --> 0:32:28.770
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven, the time approached for the Penny

0:32:28.810 --> 0:32:32.170
<v Speaker 1>Report to be taken out of its filing cabinet and

0:32:32.250 --> 0:32:37.450
<v Speaker 1>made available to the public. That prospect worried the Records

0:32:37.450 --> 0:32:42.970
<v Speaker 1>officer of the UK Atomic Energy Authority. The problem was

0:32:43.010 --> 0:32:46.610
<v Speaker 1>that the Penny Report on its own wouldn't tell the

0:32:46.770 --> 0:32:51.450
<v Speaker 1>full story of what had happened at Windscale. After writing

0:32:51.490 --> 0:32:55.770
<v Speaker 1>his report, Penny had recommended further investigations into the issues

0:32:55.810 --> 0:33:00.570
<v Speaker 1>he'd identified. Documents from those investigations were due to be

0:33:00.650 --> 0:33:05.450
<v Speaker 1>released later in dribs and drabs, thirty years after each

0:33:05.650 --> 0:33:10.210
<v Speaker 1>was filed away. Why don'ly release them all at once,

0:33:10.730 --> 0:33:13.250
<v Speaker 1>said the records officer, And I'll write a book to

0:33:13.290 --> 0:33:18.970
<v Speaker 1>accompany them. It's an important story, she said. It deserves

0:33:19.010 --> 0:33:22.050
<v Speaker 1>to be told in a way that readers will understand.

0:33:23.650 --> 0:33:29.010
<v Speaker 1>Good idea, said her bosses. When her book was published,

0:33:29.490 --> 0:33:32.770
<v Speaker 1>the records officer got letters from workers who've been there

0:33:32.810 --> 0:33:37.170
<v Speaker 1>at the time of the fire for thirty years. They said,

0:33:38.130 --> 0:33:43.530
<v Speaker 1>we've been blamed for an error of judgment. Thank you

0:33:43.610 --> 0:33:48.930
<v Speaker 1>for making it clear that it wasn't our fault. The

0:33:49.010 --> 0:33:54.090
<v Speaker 1>records officer's name was Lorna Arnold. Lorna was now in

0:33:54.130 --> 0:33:58.850
<v Speaker 1>her early seventies. She should have retired, but she had

0:33:58.890 --> 0:34:03.290
<v Speaker 1>found a job she loved. Lorna was assisting a historian

0:34:03.490 --> 0:34:08.050
<v Speaker 1>to produce an epic three volume history of Britain's post

0:34:08.130 --> 0:34:13.250
<v Speaker 1>war nuclear work. When the historian retired, with the third

0:34:13.370 --> 0:34:17.010
<v Speaker 1>volume not yet finished, Lorna took it upon herself to

0:34:17.050 --> 0:34:22.250
<v Speaker 1>finish the job. They could not bear, said Lorna, to

0:34:22.290 --> 0:34:27.210
<v Speaker 1>see the waste of years of arduous research in archives

0:34:27.730 --> 0:34:34.090
<v Speaker 1>to which no other historians had or might ever have access.

0:34:35.090 --> 0:34:38.930
<v Speaker 1>When Lorna was at school, her science teacher hadn't even

0:34:39.010 --> 0:34:43.850
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the splitting of the atom. Now she was writing

0:34:44.050 --> 0:34:49.850
<v Speaker 1>nuclear history with the help of a new friend, Bill Penny,

0:34:50.810 --> 0:34:56.170
<v Speaker 1>now retired and finally enjoying the quiet life. Lorna spent

0:34:56.450 --> 0:35:01.250
<v Speaker 1>hours at Penny's home, going over her research together and

0:35:01.330 --> 0:35:05.890
<v Speaker 1>getting an education in how little government ministers sometimes understand

0:35:05.930 --> 0:35:12.210
<v Speaker 1>about technology. Lorna Penny would say, where did you get

0:35:12.250 --> 0:35:20.410
<v Speaker 1>this garbage? A ministerial memo? She explained, Penny drawled Fellow

0:35:20.450 --> 0:35:27.210
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what he was talking about. When Lorna was

0:35:27.250 --> 0:35:31.730
<v Speaker 1>eighty one, a new boss at the Atomic Energy Authority

0:35:32.330 --> 0:35:38.130
<v Speaker 1>insisted that she had to retire, but others knew how

0:35:38.170 --> 0:35:41.770
<v Speaker 1>brilliant she still was and found a budget for a

0:35:41.930 --> 0:35:45.650
<v Speaker 1>typist to help her finish the book at home. It

0:35:45.730 --> 0:35:51.970
<v Speaker 1>was published in two thousand and one. Lorna was eighty

0:35:52.130 --> 0:36:01.370
<v Speaker 1>six years old. Remember the windscale worker who called his wife,

0:36:02.130 --> 0:36:06.050
<v Speaker 1>bring the baby inside, shut the doors and windows. He

0:36:06.170 --> 0:36:10.170
<v Speaker 1>was right to be cautious. The windscale fire turned out

0:36:10.210 --> 0:36:13.810
<v Speaker 1>to have been much more serious than anyone realized at

0:36:13.850 --> 0:36:18.690
<v Speaker 1>the time. Experts now believe that perhaps a hundred locals

0:36:18.770 --> 0:36:22.090
<v Speaker 1>may have died earlier than they otherwise would have from

0:36:22.170 --> 0:36:26.210
<v Speaker 1>cancers caused by radiation that leaked from the burning reactor.

0:36:28.490 --> 0:36:33.690
<v Speaker 1>Nobody had defined in advance what level of radiation leakage

0:36:33.770 --> 0:36:37.690
<v Speaker 1>might be tolerable for the local population that had to

0:36:37.690 --> 0:36:40.850
<v Speaker 1>work it out on the fly as the fire raged.

0:36:42.130 --> 0:36:46.570
<v Speaker 1>The calculations seemed reasonable with the knowledge they had at

0:36:46.570 --> 0:36:52.370
<v Speaker 1>the time, but that knowledge was incomplete. Nuclear technology was

0:36:52.450 --> 0:37:00.530
<v Speaker 1>still very new. Typically, on cautionary tales, we like to

0:37:00.650 --> 0:37:04.490
<v Speaker 1>draw lessons from disasters, and if you want a lesson

0:37:04.490 --> 0:37:09.530
<v Speaker 1>from Windscale, it's this. When someone's in a hurry roll

0:37:09.610 --> 0:37:13.730
<v Speaker 1>out a dangerous technology, don't be too quick to assume

0:37:13.850 --> 0:37:17.050
<v Speaker 1>that they know what they're doing. And when they assure

0:37:17.050 --> 0:37:21.330
<v Speaker 1>you that they do, don't be too quick to believe them.

0:37:22.090 --> 0:37:25.450
<v Speaker 1>But I also want to take a step back, because

0:37:25.490 --> 0:37:29.570
<v Speaker 1>to tell these stories of disasters we rely on others.

0:37:30.730 --> 0:37:34.810
<v Speaker 1>People like Bill Penny, who asked thoughtful questions of the

0:37:34.810 --> 0:37:39.450
<v Speaker 1>windscale workers straight after the fire and wrote a fair

0:37:39.530 --> 0:37:46.090
<v Speaker 1>and insightful report. People like Lorna Arnold, who thirty years

0:37:46.130 --> 0:37:49.610
<v Speaker 1>later wrote a book to put that report in context.

0:37:51.130 --> 0:37:55.330
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and seven, the fiftieth anniversary of the

0:37:55.370 --> 0:38:02.210
<v Speaker 1>Windscale Fire, the BBC made a documentary. Now in her nineties,

0:38:03.010 --> 0:38:07.850
<v Speaker 1>Lorna agreed to take part. She was still as committed

0:38:07.890 --> 0:38:11.930
<v Speaker 1>as ever telling a story that gave credit where it

0:38:12.090 --> 0:38:12.650
<v Speaker 1>was due.

0:38:14.970 --> 0:38:18.730
<v Speaker 3>Tom Tooey was the most impressive character. He was pretty

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<v Speaker 3>young for his senior post. He was a lively, handsome man,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of bold features at the mass of gorgeous auburn

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<v Speaker 3>hair flowing back from his forehead.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Tooey was brave and decisive and fighting the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a hero, no doubt of the Windscale story. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to celebrate Lorna Arnold, because sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>storyteller can be a hero too. For a full list

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<v Speaker 1>of sources, see the show notes at Timharford dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Cautionary Tales is written by me Tim Harford with Andrew Wright,

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<v Speaker 1>Alice Fines, and Ryan Billy. It's produced by Georgia Mills

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<v Speaker 1>and Marilyn Rust. The sound design and original music are

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<v Speaker 1>the work of Pascal Wise bend A d Afhaffrey edited

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<v Speaker 1>the scripts. The show also wouldn't have been possible without

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<v Speaker 1>the work of Jacob Weisberg, Gretta Cohene, Eric Sandler, Christina Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 1>Kira Posey, and Owen Miller. You can support Cautionary Tales

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<v Speaker 2>You speaking of Start,