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Speaker 1: preseason game number two, joined by Haley Elwood. We were

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Speaker 1: just in a locker room, Haley, would you make it

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Speaker 1: was a lot to dissect in this game. A lot

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Speaker 1: of good stuff for the Chargers despite the loss. A

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Speaker 1: lot of good things for the Chargers despite the loss.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely a lot of turnovers in the first half, I

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Speaker 1: overarching theme of this game to me was like welcome

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Speaker 1: back performances from guys who we haven't seen in a while.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while for some of these guys. Jalen Watkins,

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Speaker 1: Denzel Perriman. These are two guys who obviously battled injuries

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Speaker 1: last year. Jalen never even saw the field in the

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Speaker 1: for Denzel to have that forced fumble, it was so

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Speaker 1: good seeing them back out there and seeing them make

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Speaker 1: huge plays at the right times. I want to tackle

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Speaker 1: Denzel first, because I didn't yeah, no pun and do

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Speaker 1: not want to be tackle fighting. I saw him late

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Speaker 1: against lesser competition, fight third, fourth sem guys. But he

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Speaker 1: looked like the old Denzel and that hit, that forced

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Speaker 1: to force the fumble, but it all worked out. Imagine

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Speaker 1: if he hit the right game right right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: who knows. Um. I did ask him though about his

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Speaker 1: playing time, because he did play a lot, and he

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Speaker 1: like I said earlier, everyone here thought it was great too,

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Speaker 1: just to see him out there. It was, and obviously

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Speaker 1: it's mid August, but you see shades of what he

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Speaker 1: brings to the defense and what he needs how much

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Speaker 1: a run defense perspective, I mean he was fantastic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that starts to become maybe

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Speaker 1: a point of general manager Tom Talsco in this offseason.

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Speaker 1: It was bolster the linebacking corp. And you resigned Denzel,

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Drew Tranquil, Jatavis Brown. Yeah, again, when Derwin

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Speaker 1: those situations. Not that there's ever a quote unquote right

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Speaker 1: And it's been well documented Justin's diet and yeah, boxing, yeah, boxing,

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