1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: By we're finding all the subpoenas. Look, these aren't like 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: impartial people. The Democrats are trying to win twenty twenty. 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: They're not gonna win with the people that I see, 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: and they're not gonna win against me. The only way 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: they can maybe luck out, and I don't think that's 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: gonna happen. It might make it even the opposite. That's 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: what a lot of people are saying. The only way 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: they can look out is by constantly going after me 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: or nonsense. But they should be really focused on legislation, 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: not the things that have been This has been litigated, 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: Just so you understand, this has been litigated for the 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: last two years, almost since I got into office. Now, 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: if you want to litigate, go after the DNC, Crooked Hillary, 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: the dirty cops, all of these things. That's what should 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: be litigated because that was a rigged system. And I'm 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: breaking down. I am breaking down the swamp. If you 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: look at what's happening, they're getting caught, they're getting fired. 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Who knows what's gonna happen from now on, But I 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: hope it's I hope it's very strong. But if you 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: look at drained the swamp, I am draining the swamp. 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. All right. That was the President 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: earlier today, Hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: nine for one Sean Tolfrey telephone number. You want to 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: be a part of the program. President, the most cooperative 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: of any investigation ever going on in a modern day presidency. 26 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, that includes Barack Obama, that includes 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: the Clintons, all of that include George W. Bush's administration. 28 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: They all exerted executive privilege this president, none, not once, nobody. 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 1: I could not believe the idea that the White House 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: General Counsel Tom McGinn spent thirty hours with Muller. He 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: seems to think that he's the one save the republic. 32 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: Not exactly. If Donald Donald Trump had it even within 33 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: his authority to fire Muller under Article two of the Constitution, 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: he could have fired him. Just because you're complaining about 35 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: a witch hunt, that's not obstruction. Just because you're complaining 36 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: about Rod Rosen, that's a and it's a witch hunt, 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: that's not obstruction, none of it. So, now that we 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: have the look at what the Democrats are moving in 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: a thousand different directions because they can't accept now the 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: fourth definitive investigation that says no Trump Russia collusion. First, 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: the FBI nine month investigation even struck In Paige said nope, 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: we had nothing. No, they're there. Then, of course we 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: have the House Intel Committee their investigation. Nope nothing. Then 44 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: we have the Bipartisan Senate Committee. Nope nothing. Now the 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: Muller report can't be any more clear on any of 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: these issues. Oh then well, well let's weaponize the IRS. 47 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: But no real reason at all except that let's go 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: after his taxes. That'll we'll get him there. I'm sure 49 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: there's a reason why he was audited all those years anyway. 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: So now they want to impeach the IRS commission or 51 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: for not turning over Trump's taxes. Elijah Cummings wants to 52 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: hold stonewalling White House witnesses in contempt on the same issue. 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Unbelieved Nadler wants to jail Trump officials who won't comply 54 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: with his subpoenas. Why are they gonna pay for the 55 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: attorneys in DC A thousand dollars an hour for a 56 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: decent attorney, Maybe eight hundred if you're lucky, six hundred 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: if they give you a cut rate. But these people 58 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: have all been interviewed. Maxine Waters claims America's clamoring for impeachment. No, now, 59 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham is going to join us at the bottom 60 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: of the half hour. He's gonna be telling us where 61 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: his investigation is going to be going, and also that 62 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: he believes is going to be a Democratic Party stampede, 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: stampede to impeach the president. Anyway, here to sort through 64 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: all the legal issues on all of this, we have 65 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz, who Professor Harvard, and he contributed an introduction 66 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: to Skyhorse Publishing's edition of The Muller Report. Greg jarrett 67 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: Is best seller The Russia Hoax. All right, I want 68 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: to ask you both. Here's where I think we've got 69 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: to go in this. We now have evidence that Hillary's 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: investigation was rigged from the beginning, even struck in page 71 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: recognize such eighteen USC. Seven ninety three. The Espionage Act 72 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: is clear. That's the underlying crime, the intent to take 73 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: some pen at emails the lead thirty three thousand of them, 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: bleach bit your hard drive, eliminate the evidence, beat up 75 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: your devices, remove SIM cards. That would be an intent 76 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: to obstruct. I think we got to make that one 77 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: bucket number two got to get into the whole FIS abuse. 78 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: The Inspector General will weigh in on that was their 79 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: fraud committed to obtain warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. 80 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: We also have to get into the spying of the 81 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: Trump campaign stefan helper, who enlisted them, etc. And we 82 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: need to get into the whole issue of why did 83 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: we have a three hundred and fifty percent increase in 84 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: unmasking American citizens in twenty sixteen. That's an important bucket. 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: Then we've got to get the release of the FIS 86 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: warrants Gang of eight information three O two's, as we've 87 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: been telling you, five buckets there. Then we've got to 88 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: get into the question of, Okay, those people that tried 89 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: to undo an election and bludgeon a president, when did 90 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: they know that there was no collusion? And why didn't 91 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: they investigate Hillary's dirty dossier, which The New York Times 92 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: suggests this week could have been all disinformation to create 93 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: chaos From the beginning, we'll start with you, Professor Dershowitz. 94 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: Where do we go next? Well, I think the most 95 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: important thing is the way in which the FISA court 96 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: was misled. We now know for certain that the information 97 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: provided to the FISA Court in the X party application 98 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: was incomplete. It was not the whole truth. It was 99 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: a half truth, and a half truth is a lie. 100 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: And I think there should be an investigation conducted by 101 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: the Inspector General apparently that's going on, but also by 102 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: the FISA Court itself. The FISA Court was misled, and 103 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: I think there was a contempt of court committed by 104 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: those A who submitted the PIES application without indicating the source, 105 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: and B failed to correct the FISA application once they 106 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: got more information about the source and indeed sought renewals 107 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: of the FISA application. So those are I think very 108 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: important areas for any civilibitarian because remember, PHIZA warrants can 109 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: be issued against any of us, and if it can 110 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: be done without any consequence based on misleading and incomplete information, 111 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: then we're all victims. And so I think you start 112 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: with any thing that involves every American potentially a victim 113 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: of a violation of civil liberties. That has to be 114 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: the first order of business. Do you think the President 115 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: is right? Before I get to Greg, Professor, the President 116 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: is right saying, you know what, You've had your four investigations, 117 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: We're going to fight everything now. He never used executive privilege. 118 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: He could have. He could have prevented people from talking 119 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: to Muller. He could have fired Muller. By the way, 120 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: I think he'll even agree he could have done so 121 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: legally under his authority under Article too without a doubt. 122 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: And in the introduction to my book, I go through 123 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: the whole obstruction of justice argument presented by Mueller. Mueller 124 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: turns out to be dead wrong on the law. He 125 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: has some idea that if in fact the president had 126 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: decided to fire Mueller, indeed, firing come he thinks could 127 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: be an obstruction of justice. He just has the law wrong. 128 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: By the way, on the Amazon reviews, everybody's ganging up 129 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: on me. All the anti Trump people are writing terrible reviews, 130 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: saying I never should have been allowed to do the 131 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: introduction to the book because I'm objective and honest and 132 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: non partisan. So I urge any of you who read 133 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: my introduction and who think differently write a review saying 134 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: my introduction is objective, it's nonpartisan. I end by saying 135 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: I would have written the same review, the same introduction 136 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: if the shoe had been on the other foot, if 137 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: Hillary couldton't have been impeached improperly or been subject to 138 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: an investigation improperly, I would have been defending her as well. 139 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: I am not defending Trump on a partisan basis. I'm 140 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: defending civil liberties and constitutional rights. Greg Jarrett, Well, I 141 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: want to say, I just ordered Professor's book and I 142 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: anxiously look forward to reading The Obstruction of Justice. Why 143 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: doesn't he just give us a free copy? I mean, 144 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: we're friends. You're trying to get a free copy or 145 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: you have to write a review and get a free copal. 146 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: But you know, this is why prosecutors should never comment 147 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: on uncharged crimes. It's unfair to the uncharged person. Muller 148 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: went out of his way to smear Trump with the 149 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: patina of a crime that he couldn't prove. Mueller didn't 150 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: find sufficient evidence for an obstruction charge. If he had, 151 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: he would have said so. So what he does is 152 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: he turns the law completely upside down and he says, well, 153 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't prove the president didn't obstruct. You know, prosecutors 154 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: are not in the business of exoneration. There in the 155 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: business of proving crimes based on evidence. Muller couldn't prove 156 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: an obstruction, And when Coomey went after Hillary Clinton that way, 157 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: we all objected. Democrats and Republicans a life. Why is 158 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: it different when Mueller goes after people who have not 159 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: been charged and sets out non criminal conduct that he 160 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: disagrees with. That's just not the proper function of theater. 161 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: If Muller could not prove an obstruction crime, and he 162 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: could not, then he should have simply stated that he 163 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: wasn't recommending any charges. Anything other than that is blatantly unfair. 164 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. Let me let me ask you, 165 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: this is Trump to clear when it's done to Trump? 166 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: Is Trump right not to cooperate any further? Considering there's 167 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: been four separate conclusions and investigations on this, well, you 168 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: know he has to listen to his lawyer on this. 169 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: I think that he would have. I would certainly advise 170 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: them not to testify. My advice to him was don't 171 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: don't pardon, don't fire, don't testify, and don't tweet. He 172 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: listened to three of them, but not the fourth. But 173 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: right now, I would say, it depends if if you 174 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: think the investigations by Congress are impromperly motivated and don't 175 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: have a legitimate legislative purpose. You have no obligation not 176 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: to raise your constitutional privileges. And remember, executive privilege is 177 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: designed to protect all Americans, not just the president. It's 178 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: designed to protect the president c from improper intrusion by 179 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: the legislative or the judicial branch. And so it's there 180 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: as part of our separation of powers and checks and 181 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: balances to protect all Americans. He's not just doing it 182 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: in a self serving way. Nadaler is now taking the position, Well, 183 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: you've waived the privilege because mcgant spoke with a special counsel, 184 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: no as special counsel, as an employee of the Department 185 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: of Justice. So you've got one branch to the Department 186 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: of Justice, White House counsel talking to another branch of 187 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: the executive So it's not a waiver of a privilege 188 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: at all. You can actually never waive executive privilege. It's 189 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: been invoked by almost every president. The first was George 190 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: Washington who invoked it. All Right, when we get back, 191 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: I want to debate the question as to what we 192 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: do with a Hillary Clinton question and how far back 193 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: who needs to be held accountable. Right as we were 194 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: all along, Alan Dershwitz, Greg Jarrett with us. All right, 195 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the president challenging these a 196 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: penis Who's going to win this battle? Greg Jarrett? Well, 197 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: I think the President will because it does appear that 198 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: this is nothing more than presidential harassment. You know, there 199 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: has to be a reasonable basis for this. That is 200 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: to say, there has to be some sort of articulable, 201 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: factual basis for the investigation that indicates that a crime 202 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: has or or will take place. Well, there's none of 203 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: that here. This is a fishing expedition as safari to 204 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: search for anything under any rock they can find to 205 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: damage Trump. The president has a solid legal basis to 206 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: oppose it. What do you think, Alan Durshoy I have 207 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: a slightly different view. I think that if subpoenas come 208 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: from the legislative branch, they don't have to be looking 209 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: for crime. They can be looking for information relevant to 210 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: their appropriate role of legislating and oversight. But there comes 211 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: a time, and it happened during the McCarthy era, when 212 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court or other courts will look at subpoenas 213 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: and look at requests for testimony and say enough's enough. 214 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: You've now exceeded your legitimate authority, and you're just doing 215 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: this to harass or expose. Well, are there aper function 216 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: of Congress? I think, don't you think we're a point? Professor? 217 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Come on, well, no, that's the point. And I think 218 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: the courts will look at it on a case by 219 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: case basis. They're not going to just say willy nilly 220 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: that no subpoenas will be in force. They'll look at 221 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: every subpoena. They'll look at whether there's an articular basis 222 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: for any legitimate legislative purpose, and I think they will 223 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: begin to refuse to enforce some of them, as they 224 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: did during the McCarthy periy. But what about all these 225 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: what about all these one what about all these people 226 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: that are going to be called back again? I can't 227 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: afford these lawyers that are very expensive. Listen, professor, what 228 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: do you charge an hour? A lot? You know you 229 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: don't want to know half of my cases of pro bono. 230 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: I know half are pretty expensive because I do represent 231 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: a lot of very wealthy people, and even if you're wealthy, 232 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: getting these subpoenas can really really be very expensive. Washington 233 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: lawyers do charge in excess of a thousand dollars an 234 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: hour and the hours accumulate because you have to do 235 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: the research, you have to check out all the facts. 236 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: And so we're talking easily about six figure legal bills 237 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: that can sometimes get up to the seven figures. Yeah, Greg, Yeah, 238 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean look at people like Jerome. Course, he was 239 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: never charged with anything. He was threatened. They tried to 240 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: pressure and extort him into signing a false statement implicating Trump, 241 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: which would have been a lie. You know, that's the 242 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: equivalent of attempting to suborn perjury. He had to hire 243 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: a team of lawyers to represent him, you know, and 244 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: his bank account is empty as a result. Well, let's 245 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: look at General Flint. Wrong, Yeah, both mccabegging, He doesn't 246 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: need a lawyer. Then call me bragging, hau. I wouldn't 247 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: do this in the Obama or Bush administrations. Top two 248 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: FBI guys. They're setting him up, I mean, professor, and 249 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: then he loses his house. Now he's millions of dollars 250 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: in debt. They threatened to go after his kid. This 251 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: is how we treat thirty three year veterans that put 252 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: their lives in harm's way. Look, it's a terrible, terrible thing, 253 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: and it's been a terrible thing for many years that 254 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: prosecutors do abuse their authority. You know, the idea of 255 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: arresting people at gunpoint, whether it be somebody who is 256 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: like a stone or somebody who is Felicity Huffman, whatever 257 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: you think of them. You don't have to arresture people 258 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: at gunpoint and threaten them and show how powerful and 259 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: strong you are. And you don't have to. I got 260 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: a run into them. You can write them a nice 261 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: letter saying if you have any information, please provide it. 262 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: But you know it turns to harassment at some point. 263 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: And all right, I gotta let you both go. Thank you, 264 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: Professor Dershowitz, Thank you Greg, Jared Lindsay Graham. Next, this 265 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: was an investigation at its core about Donald Trump's daily, 266 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: sometimes an hourly, assault on the rule of law in 267 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: this country as the country's chief executive. He sat in 268 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: his pajamas watching Fox and Friends, maligning the FBI. Bill 269 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: gar didn't walk into that room with the scale at 270 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: zero rule of law how to deficit because Donald Trump 271 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: had been kicking it in the team. Can I just 272 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: talk about this issue of the president's concerns about leagues, Well, Jake, 273 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: what I did is I looked on my shelf for 274 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: the Watergate Senate Watergate Committee report. I looked at the 275 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Iran Contra report. I also looked at the ken Star report, 276 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: which is too bragged big to bring to the set here. 277 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: It's four volumes, over two thousand words, and I've got 278 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: to tell you I've read all those and in four 279 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: hundred words, mister, this report from their Special Council is 280 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: more damning than all of those reports about a president. Right. 281 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: That is the predictable freak out of course by the 282 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: left wing media Democrats. They cannot accept now, four separate findings, 283 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: no Russia collusion, none whatsoever. Anyway, joining us now is 284 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham. And well, you've been saying 285 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: that in spite of four separate reports, and it's done, 286 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: and none of this is going to happen, that they're 287 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: going to stampede towards impeachment anyway. Well, we can see 288 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: the process now beginning to unfold before our eyes. And 289 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: you know the predictable names and characters, Maxim Waters and 290 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: you know Chairman Schiff and who by the way, did 291 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: collude and Nadler and the rest of them, they're going nuts. Well, 292 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: so here's what I think you need to look for 293 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: number one. The Muller report should be the last word 294 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: on all things Russia and Trump, all things obstruction of justice. 295 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: But it won't be. So. There was no collusion between 296 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign and Russia. If you don't believe me 297 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: as Muller, that's what started this whole mess. As the 298 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: two obstruction of justice. How can you say President Trump 299 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: impeded the Mueller investigation. Give me one example of where 300 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: Mueller was impeded from doing this job. Quite the opposite. 301 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: You've got the best research team, probably on television. What 302 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: I would like you to do for your show is 303 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: to give a list of the things that the White 304 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: House did to cooperate with Mueller, the number of documents, 305 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: the number of people that were allowed to be interviewed 306 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: by Mueller. I would suggest, in the history of the 307 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: investigating of the presidency, nobody has been more cooperative than 308 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: the Trump presidency toward Mueller. We know they handed over 309 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: almost one point five million documents, when we know this 310 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: is the first time an administration is not invoked executive 311 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: privilege and can just stop your right there, Okay, Obstruction 312 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: of justice has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt 313 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: name an event that actually impeded Muller from doing his job. 314 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: You've just laid out one point five million documents turned 315 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: over by the Trump administration Dumuller voluntarily, and they refuse 316 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: to claim executive privilege at any stage in the process. 317 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: How the hell is that obstructing justice? Can I ask you? 318 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: You know, the people that are supposedly care about other people, 319 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: you know much at cost when you have to hire 320 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: a Washington DC lawyer and you're a staff person that 321 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: works for the president and they drag you in there 322 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: ten fifteen, twenty hours. Now they want to drag you 323 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: back again, and what asked the same questions over and 324 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: over again, just to come to a different conclusion where 325 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: the evidence doesn't supported. What do you recommend? What point 326 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: does this get labeled? What it is? This is harassment. 327 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: People can't afford these lawyers that are working for the government. Frankly, 328 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: even senators and congressmen can't afford it. Well, hell no, 329 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't afford this. So I don't know if there's 330 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: some fun we can create to help these people. But 331 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: here's what's hell. How about they all go in and 332 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: plead the fifth and say it's over. I'm not used 333 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I refer to my previous testimony. I don't know if 334 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: that's a smart move, because you know, I don't think 335 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: they've got anything to hie in criminally. But let me 336 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: just say this. We'll deal with that issue. But what 337 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: I want you to listeners to understand is it sometimes 338 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: you and I have disagreed. I thought Mueller needed to 339 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: be allowed to do this because there was a conflict 340 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: with Sessions. He was brought the campaign, and I thought 341 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: to make sure Mueller had the resources in the time 342 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: to finish the job. He has now finished the job. 343 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: President Trump came out of this thing great. He was 344 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: cleared without any doubt about colluding with the Russia, and 345 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: there was no effort by Trump to impede the Moller investigation. 346 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: So it's over for me. Now what do you have. 347 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: You have people taking the document and trying to turn 348 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: it into an impeachment document. You have to really be 349 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: unhinged and hate Trump to want to know more about 350 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: the Moller investigation. This is not about learning more, It 351 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: is about getting a different outcome. They can't stand but 352 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: that that Trump withstood two years, twenty five million dollars 353 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: forty FBI agents two thousand subpoenas, whatever the numbers are, 354 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: and he made it through. He strived them crazy. So 355 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: they're unhinged and they're coming after Trump shine not because 356 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: he did anything wrong, because they wanted to destroy his presency. 357 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: But this is where we are now. If it's not that, well, 358 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: let's move on to taxes. They want to now impeach 359 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: the IRS Commissioner for not turning over Donald Trump's taxes. 360 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: Elijah Cummings wants to hold the White House a White 361 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: House witness in contempt of Congress. And by the way, 362 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: this is also about you know, at some point every 363 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: time you go under oath, you know that they're setting 364 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: perjury traps for these people. Nadler wants to jail all 365 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: Trump officials who won't comply with the subpoenas. The President 366 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: has laid down his marker enough. He's not going to 367 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: allow this anymore. And I think the President's right, and 368 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: I also believe that he's on you know, sound legal 369 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: and constitutional footing that he does not have to cooperate anymore. 370 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Everything He's allowed everybody that they ever wanted to talk 371 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: on these issues. Maxie Waters is claiming America's clamoring for impeachment. 372 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: She's been clamoring for it before the election. Okay, we've 373 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: gone from an inquiry based on a special Council trying 374 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: to find out if the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. 375 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: Two years later, twenty five million dollars later, forty FBI 376 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: agents later, we know the answer is no. So everything 377 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: they're doing now is to try to destroy the Trump 378 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: presidency and his family. This has got nothing to do 379 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: with the truth, the rule of law. This is political revenge. 380 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: What is playing out in front of us is using 381 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: the power of the Congress to oversee the executive branch 382 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: afuse that power to destroy the president and his family. 383 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: And if I were President Trump, I would fight back. 384 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: If there's a site we could go to get money 385 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: to help these people in their crossfairs of this count 386 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: me in. I'll write a check. Okay. So you now 387 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: are an important member of the United States Senate with 388 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: a lot of subpoena powering its powers itself. We now 389 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: know that the General Council under Jim Comey, the FBI's 390 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: top lawyer, thought that Hillary should be indicted. We know 391 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: that struck in page We're laughing because they knew the 392 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: investigation was rigged and struck himself who said that Hillary 393 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: should win one hundred million to zero because Trump is lowsome. 394 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: He did the interview with Hillary and also allowed two 395 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: friends of us in the room at the time, which 396 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, And so we have that aspect. Then if 397 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: we care about collusion, the Ukraine is now saying, well, 398 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: we're guilty, we colluded with the Clinton campaign and offering 399 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: us evidence. Nobody seems interested. Then you got the dirty 400 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: Russian dossier that the New York Times even acknowledged this 401 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: week could have very likely been as Hillary bought and 402 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: paid for misinformation on purpose, and it was used as 403 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: the foundation for the Biser warrants. When do we get 404 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: those people and hold them accountable. Well, it's going to start. 405 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: Bob Barr is exciming. Bill Barr is going to testify 406 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: the Attorney General may first before my committee in the 407 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: Senate about his few of the Mueller investigation, the decisions 408 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: he's made, and why he made them. Then that ends 409 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: it in the Senate, and we're going to move on 410 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: to four areas. I'm going to look at how the 411 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: Clinton investigation was handled, not in a way to go 412 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: back and put her in jail, but to find out 413 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: why she was basically given them pass. So now if 414 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: what if it's proven that invest was rigged and laws 415 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: were broken, Well, that's why you need a special counsel. 416 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't want Lindsey Graham to do that. I want 417 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: somebody outside of politics to look and see if there's 418 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: criminal liability regarding the way the Clinton EMIL investigation was conducted. 419 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: The second bucket is the counterintelligence counter intelligence investigation. I 420 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: want to know that a legitimate counter intelligence investigation or 421 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: was it a ruse and backdoorway to get into the 422 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: Trump campaign. I want to know about the FISAL warrant, 423 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: how it could be issued four times based on a 424 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: bunch of political garbage. And the last bucket I want 425 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: to look at is why did they surveil General Flynn 426 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: in transition? What was the purpose of surveiling the transition team? 427 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: And was there an effort after the election to invote 428 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: the twenty fifth Amendment. Those are the four areas I'm 429 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: going to look at. Well, we know that that's all true, 430 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: that we have enough evidence and testimony to such. At 431 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: this point, let me go back to all of these 432 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: issues because I think the evidence is clear, incontrovertible, It 433 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: is overwhelming. And that is that the eighteen USC. Seven 434 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: ninety three, the Espionage Act is clear. You cannot have secret, 435 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: top secret classified information outside of a government server. It 436 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: was put there. So you have multiple felonies. It would 437 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: be for every instance we've already. Oh, here's what I 438 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: would I would say that that if you did what 439 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: she did, would classified information could probably be in jail. 440 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: But rather than Sean Hannity, conduct in the investigation, or 441 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham or criminal liability, I am begging the Attorney 442 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: General to assign somebody to this case for the very 443 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: reasons you just suggested, independent of the political process, some 444 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: mutual person to get this a look why they did 445 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: Mueller did Trump? Well, I think that has to happen then, 446 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: I you know, I actually think that a lot of 447 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: things should happen even beyond that. What do you think, Well, 448 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: let me get to a quick break here. We'll continue. 449 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: Senator Lindsey Graham, South Carolina with US eight hundred nine 450 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: for one Seawan Tolfrey telephone number. And as we continue, 451 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham of South Carolina is with US. He's the 452 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: chairman of the all powerful Judiciary Committee. All right, so 453 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: you want there's four areas of interest the Clinton investigation. 454 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: Why was the counterintelligence investigation started in the first place. 455 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: All evidence is now beginning to point that it started 456 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: much earlier, not as we have been told July. Well, 457 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: you know, you know him, probably more than me. And 458 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: also we want to get the FISA warrants, the bulk 459 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: of information of which was Hillary's bought and paid for 460 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: Russian dirty dossier. And then you want to get to 461 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: the issue surrounding General Flyinn. Well, we know he was 462 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: illegally amasked, we know he was illegally surveilled, we know 463 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: raw intelligence on the general was released, and I you 464 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: know the fact that you know he's going bankrupt, sold 465 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: his home, him as a millions of dollars of debt, 466 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: and has no idea what his future is going to be. 467 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: You know, a great way to treat a thirty three 468 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: year vet. And by the way, Comey and McKay bragging 469 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: how they treated him and tricked him and told him 470 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: he doesn't need a lawyer, and they would never do 471 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: this type of thing in the Obama or Bush White House. Wow, 472 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: So let me just follow through that yes, I want 473 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: to know what authority they had and what information to 474 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: head evidence to suggest that they should surveil the transition team. 475 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: I want to try to find out to leak the 476 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: fact that Flynn was being surveiled to the Washington Post. 477 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: Did Obama himself know about the counterintelligence investigation against the 478 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: Trump campaign before the election. Did Obama himself know about 479 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: the surveillance of the Trump transition team after the election? 480 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: What was the basis of the surveillance, and go from there. 481 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: I also think we've got to look into the abuse 482 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: of intelligence. We had a three hundred and fifty percent 483 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: increase in twenty sixteen in the unmasking of American citizens. 484 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: That's a problem, Yeah, it is. And did the UN 485 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: ambassador Yeah, she requests unmasking, so three hundred times, but 486 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: you say she didn't do it. Yeah, yeah, Well, so 487 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: what I want to do is there's really three things 488 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: going on there. Horwitz is looking at the defisal warrant process. 489 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: His report should be out in the next thirty days. 490 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: I hope I will take a look at it from 491 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: a different point of view. He's looking at it from 492 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: an in house council to try to find out who 493 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: inside the FBI d og needs to be disciplined. What 494 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: I want to do is look at it to make 495 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: sure it never happens again, change our laws if necessary, 496 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: and hold people accountable in a different way. After the election, 497 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: I want Horwitz or somebody in voting me to look 498 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: at whether or not the surveillance that the transition team 499 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: was lawful, legitimate, and was there an effort by d 500 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: o J types FBI types to try to invote the 501 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: twenty fifth Endment against newly elected President Trump. Wow, all right, 502 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: we look forward to this. Youn't believe this. You just 503 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: promised bill this as a movie. Well you can't. But 504 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: if we don't hold them accountable, rigging investigations, trying to 505 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: steal it again a presidential election, and trying to basically 506 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: undo an election using Russian lies, it's pretty amazing to me. 507 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: And abusing power all along the way. When did President 508 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: Trump say, hey, go out there and fire Mullers? He never? 509 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: Did you know? I was there at the same time 510 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: that the report says that you know McGain mentioned this, 511 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: and I don't was. I was. I was assigned to 512 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: deal with Muller, and I briefed the president every day 513 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: and every week I saw Muller or quarrels for eight months. 514 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: At no time did the President ever say, you know, John, 515 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to get rid of him. John Escot going 516 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: to do it. It was just the opposite. Here's the 517 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: message the President had for Bob Muller to me to 518 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: carry one, you tell him I respect what he's doing. 519 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: Number two, you tell him he's got my full cooperation. 520 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: Number three, get it done as quickly as possible. And 521 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: number at number four, whatever else you need. Yeah, let 522 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: me know. So that was always the message, and that's 523 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: exactly what we did. He wants described to me on 524 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: this program that the Trump administration's actions related to the 525 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: Russia probe our quote of a size and scope probably 526 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: beyond Watergate. What do you say now, Well, I think 527 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: it's clear from the Muller report that that's exactly right. 528 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: The obstruction of justice, in particular in this case is 529 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: far worse than anything that Richard Nixon did. The break 530 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: in by the Russians of the Democratic institutions for an 531 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: adverse very far more significant than the plumber's breaking into 532 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: the Democratic headquarters. So yes, I would say, in every 533 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: way this is more significant than Watergate, and the fact 534 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: that a candidate for president and now at president nine States, 535 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: would not only not stand up and resist Russian interference 536 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: in our election, but would welcome it goes well beyond 537 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: anything Nixon did. The Fact that the president Nined States 538 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: would take putin side of his own intelligence agencies go 539 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: well beyond anything Richard Nixon did. So, Yes, I think 540 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: it is far more serious than Watergate. Yeah, of course 541 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: he's been saying that, just like he's been saying I 542 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: have all the evidence of collusion and it doesn't exist. 543 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really when you have four separate investigations 544 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: that have all concluded the same thing. How many more 545 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: times do you have to go back to this Mueller 546 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: report and read no collusion, just like the FBI struck 547 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: and page no collusion, a nine month investigation, although it 548 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: might have even started earlier, which we're doing a deep 549 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: dive into even as we speak. And they cannot help themselves. 550 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: It is a level of rage, hatred, and psychosis. You know. 551 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: The big question now is is the left wing radicals 552 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party are they going to override any 553 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: bit of common sense? You have the new Nest House 554 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: Intel Report, the Bipartisan Senate Committee report, the FBI report 555 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: and the Muller report, clearly no collusion, no obstruction, it 556 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And then we want your taxes. We want 557 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: tell me where any of this is good for the 558 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: American people. What are they doing to serve their constituents. 559 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: This is not service. And the biggest liar of them 560 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: all is you know, Adam, the cowardly shift. And it's 561 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: like the media cannot give up the addiction that they 562 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: have anyway. John Solomon is with US Investigative Reporter, Executive 563 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: vice President of The Hill on the latest on the probe. 564 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: John has given me a little bit of a preview 565 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: of more details on this tonight. I don't know how 566 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: much you can give me, but like we're doing on 567 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: this program in our own way, you in your own way, 568 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, you want really specific things answered. And if 569 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: we don't answer them and we don't solve the underlying causes, 570 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: we are risking a system of justice that really does 571 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: is not predicated on our constitution any longer. It's a 572 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: dual system of justice, no equal justice under the law 573 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: or application of our laws. And those that abuse power 574 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: must be held accountable. That's we're on the same page 575 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, listen. I think the American public's on 576 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: the same page as well. They This concerned about dual 577 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: justice and hijacking of the intelligence and law enforcement community 578 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: for political purposes is becoming more rooted in the American contest. 579 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: Out of the Mother Report is out. I think the 580 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: most interesting thing I've heard the last five or six days, 581 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: and it was in my column this morning, Sean, is 582 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: that a growing number of intel people that I'm talking 583 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: to you are beginning to say we may have had 584 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: the assessment wrong, that when we said that Russia was 585 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: trying to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton, it 586 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: may not be that clear. In fact, a lot of 587 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: people look at the facts that Muller has put in 588 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: the report and said, instead of a collusion strategy, it 589 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: looks like Vladimir Putin was doing what is known in 590 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: the spy tradecraft as a discoverable influence operation. What does 591 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: that mean? In Layman's terms, it means he was set up. 592 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: It was a setup. It was designed to be detected 593 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: so that people would then question Donald Trump, a sort 594 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: of the intelligence equivalent of framing someone. So to hear 595 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: that and one of the people who said that's Daniel Hoffman, 596 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: the former CIA station chief in Moscow. If anyone knows 597 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: Russian spycraft, it's Daniel Hoffman. When you start to hear 598 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: the intelligence community talk that way, you realize how wrong 599 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: the early assessments were, and all the early reporting in 600 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: my industry was, and how much there's a welcoming of 601 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: a fresh review of all of these conclusions. When are 602 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: we talking about going back as far as what you know? 603 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: I think you have to begin to take a look 604 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: at the period that begins in December twenty fifteen. If 605 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: as a lot of the facts seem to suggest this 606 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: was a political operation, a political oppo research operation designed 607 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: to create a breadcrumb trail that the FBI would bite 608 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: on and then go after Donald Trump. The first key 609 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: moment seems to ocur around December twenty fifteen, when, as 610 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: I previously reported last year, Bruce Orr and Christopher Steele, 611 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: soon to become the oppo researcher of the Clinton campaign, 612 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: start talking about trying to get dirt on Paul Manafford 613 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: through a Russian connection they know as Oligdara Posca, one 614 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: of the oligarchs they were targeting. From that point forward, 615 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: I believe over the next few weeks and months, we 616 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: will be able to track a series of events where 617 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: you can see the Democrats working with foreign powers, foreign people, 618 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: and let me let me interrupt you, because I think 619 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. In other words, that we 620 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: might have very high level people within say the intelligence community, 621 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: that we're farming out things to other countries that would 622 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: be illegal for them themselves to do exactly. I think 623 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: that's going to be one of the predominant questions. Did 624 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: we ask the foreigners to do what our law prevented 625 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: us from doing against American citizens like Trumper or any 626 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: of his advisers. I think that's one piece of it. 627 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: I think a second piece of it is the Democrats, 628 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: the Justice Department under democratic control, State Department under democratic control, 629 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee, Hillary couldn't campaign. Did they work 630 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: with foreign powers to get information? We have some pretty 631 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: strong hints of it, right. We know that Christopher Steele 632 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: and Brussel are targeting Russian olig Derek Posca. We know 633 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: Christopher Steele got the majority of his information from a 634 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: former Russian intelligence officer, which, by the way, doesn't exist. 635 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: When you're in the Russian intelligence you never leave. And 636 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: then we know that there were these contacts with the 637 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: Ukrainian embassy that Political wrote about in twenty seventeen. I 638 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: think we're going to be able to fill in a 639 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: lot of gaps between those different points and show a 640 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: much more robust effort by Democrats and the Democratic administration 641 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: to work with foreigners to get dirt on Donald Trump. 642 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: You go through tonight, and I don't want to give 643 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: away your story tonight because we're going to break it 644 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: on Hannity to the extent that you and I have talked, 645 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: I'm going from memory here, but and you know, if 646 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: mister editor teared down these faults and unproven Russia collusion stories, 647 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: which is all true, but you go into very specific 648 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: detail about very specific instances that there was an epic 649 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 1: fail at the media and now we have cable TV. 650 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: That's one aspect of it. The Washington Post, the New 651 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: York Times is an aspect of it. The you know, 652 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: the other tales about Carter Page and and Manaford a 653 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: sane and Buzzfeeds unfounded scoop on the Trump Tower, Moscow project, 654 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, or you know Michael Conan Prague 655 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: or you know McClatchy, who got so much wrong in 656 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: all of this. Yep, you're right, you know there's I 657 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: go back to a very important point in journalism. I 658 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: remember nineteen ninety eight, that's today, that the Wall Street 659 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: Journal broke a story about Bill Clinton that turned out 660 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: and Monica Lewinsky that turned out to be false, and 661 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: they did the right thing. They did the wrong reporting, 662 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: but when they were called on it, they retracted it. 663 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: What we've seen my industry do these last few years, 664 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: as over obvious information has come out to contradict or 665 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: debunk a story, instead of correcting and retracting the story, 666 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: they're just doing appendages, things that people won't notice. So 667 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: add a little bit. Oh, Bob Mueller says he doesn't 668 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: agree with our assessment. Well, in the old days, we 669 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: used to call that story wrong and we would retract it. 670 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: And I think the discussion I'd like to have in 671 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: my own profession is what are the stories that should 672 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: be retracted because they're either demonstrably false or now two 673 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: years in, can't be proven. That standard used to be 674 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: the standard by which we retracted stories. And I think 675 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: we'll be able to talk tonight about a whole bunch 676 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: of those stories that don't meet the test of journalism accuracy, 677 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: journalism ethics, and I think there's a good discussion for 678 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: the American people to demand that our industry fixed and 679 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: track these stories. You know, it is an amazing thing. 680 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: I got to a stay off Twitter now I don't 681 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: even have access to my accounts, either Linda or or 682 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 1: my TV staff. Tweets out everything. And I went through 683 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: a series of tweets this weekend after there was this 684 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous report by the you know, absolutely hardline left wing um, 685 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, Daily Beast, and I just, I just we 686 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: just got into it because there's so much that they 687 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 1: have not that they have gotten wrong from the very 688 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: beginning on all of this, and you know, it was 689 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: time for somebody to call them out. I call them lazy, 690 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: overpaid propagandists, you know, false politically driven coverage. You know, 691 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: the only the medium mob is likely lost all credibility forever. 692 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: I made a list of everything that they have been 693 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: wrong about in terms of you know, going through the 694 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: list of small at starting with for example, Bold Richard 695 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: Jewel and straight on through Nicholas Sandman and Cambridge and 696 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: police and Duke Lacrosse Uva Ferguson Baltimore vetting Obama. They 697 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: were you know, or Cavanaugh, I believe, versus the Virginia 698 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: Virginia lieutenant governor. They've got it all wrong and they 699 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: never held accountable. Yeah, we need, we need a moment 700 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: in our profession. And I say this as someone that 701 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: still revers a profession and still believes it can do 702 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: good things in the world, that we need to have 703 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: an inflection point to acknowledge where we've gotten off the rails. 704 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: There was a quote back from nineteen ninety eight that 705 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: a journalism experts at the time, which is the danger 706 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: of scandals is that you get so emotionally invested in 707 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: them that you mistake a bullet for an atom bomb. 708 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of what happened here 709 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 1: in the intelligence world. Hey, John, with all due respect, 710 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: you've been very kind and gracious. They always get it wrong. Well, 711 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 1: I can think of times where we got the profession 712 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: got it right. I know. Well, okay, but hang on, 713 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: think think of the extent on Donald Trump. Everything is wrong. 714 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: They loved Obama, they hated Trump, and they acted as such. 715 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, well, are there exceptions to the rules. Sure? Um, 716 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: Cheryl Atkinson is an exception. You're an exception, but generally speaking, 717 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: they are hard line left that now has gone so 718 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: over to the other side. They you know, there's an 719 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: indignation that they cannot admit or retract and apologize. As 720 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: you said, it's never hell will freeze over, John, It's 721 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: never gonna happen. It may, it may, and that will 722 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: be an unfortunate thing because I think we have to 723 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: fix ourselves as an industry. Journalism is dead except for 724 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: the few people that really care about truth. And you know, 725 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: it's not by accident that I have a track record 726 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,439 Speaker 1: that I'm right almost all the time when they're wrong. 727 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: And the same with you and you don't stick to 728 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: the facts. And I think much emotion in politics have 729 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: gotten into the profession that it clouds the judgment of 730 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: editors and of hell you think, Um, let's go back now, 731 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: because let's get a big picture the days, the weeks, 732 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 1: the months ahead, what's coming. Yeah, I think the biggest 733 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,919 Speaker 1: dynamic to see is watching the investigators now become the investigated. 734 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: That is going to be the dynamic that will dominate 735 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: the next six months, and that will occur on many fronts. 736 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: It will occur in the intelligence community. It occur with 737 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: Attorney General Barr, who is doing his own assessment. It 738 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 1: will occur with the Inspector General of the Justice Department, 739 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,240 Speaker 1: and I believe it will occur in both the House 740 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: and the Senate. Even Republicans in the minority are starting 741 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: to do some pretty remarkable things digging into some of 742 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 1: the issues. And even though they don't have committee power, 743 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: they still have the power of their office. And I 744 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: think you'll see House Republicans Lindsey Graham, Ron Johnson and 745 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: Wisconsin who has a very powerful committee. I think you'll 746 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: see between those five sectors a lot of accounty ability 747 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: coming out and a lot of hard questions. And I 748 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing the President the United States can 749 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: do to help all of those gain transparency declassify the 750 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,879 Speaker 1: documents that have been identified in those five buckets. Well, 751 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: and you want to remind people, I remind them off them, 752 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,479 Speaker 1: but the way you say it is different, so maybe 753 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: they'll hear from you better than me where you've had 754 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: it right from the beginning. So it's de Fisi document 755 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: it's the Gang of Eight documentary. It's an application the 756 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: Gang of Eight would expose the FBI acknowledging failure, yes, 757 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 1: and showing the missteps. So when you read those two together, 758 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: you sort of have the perfect compendium of what went 759 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: wrong in the FBI. Then there are some emails that 760 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: show how early on the FBI knew that there were 761 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: problems with Christopher Steeles, an informant. Remember, affirmatively, they told 762 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: the court he was in good standing and they knew 763 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: of no derogatory information. I don't think that declaration is 764 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: going to turn to be out to be true. You know, 765 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: I got to give props and kudos to you, and 766 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: I can't mention every person, but there's maybe twenty or 767 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: thirty of us that have been on this from day one, 768 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: and we wouldn't be here honestly without you know, this 769 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: is two now critical and crucial to the republic that 770 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: we love, and if we don't solve these problems, it's 771 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: going to happen again. Anyway. Thank you so much, John Solomon. 772 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,919 Speaker 1: We'll see you tonight on Hannity nine, Eastern Fox News 773 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,479 Speaker 1: Channel Quick Break Right Back. Democrat Mark Penn a hard 774 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: hitting article about Mueller being done and Democrats should be 775 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: too because Trump is no Nixon. Well he'll weigh in 776 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: on the extremist now taken over the Democratic Party straight ahead, 777 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: have all of this case of obstruction presented in the 778 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: Muller report, As you just stated, some might ask, why 779 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: haven't you start, why haven't you opened an impeachment inquiry? 780 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: Or in fairness, is that what you're doing right now? 781 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: I don't think we're doing that. We may get to that, 782 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: we may not. As I've said before, it is our 783 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: job to go to go through all the evidence, to 784 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: all the information and to matter, and to go with 785 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: the evidence lead system. You think this is impeachable, Yeah, 786 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: I do. I do think that this, if proven, if 787 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: which hasn't improven yet, some of this, if proven, some 788 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: of this would be impeachable. Yes, all right, construction of justice, 789 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: if proven, would be impeachable. And then you're going to 790 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: go about to see if you can prove it. Well, 791 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: we're going to see where the facts lead us. The 792 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: report is out, the partisan divide seems wide, or even 793 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: wider than ever. What happens now, this document, the Muller document, 794 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: has now left us with a roadmap to go forward. 795 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: I think he basically said to us as a Congress, 796 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: it's up to you to take this further with regard 797 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: to obstruction and the other matters that might come up. Well, already, 798 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: mister Chairman, Elizabeth Warren, Alexandria A. CaCO Cortez, Maxine Waters, 799 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: Julian Castro have said we should begin proceedings to impeach 800 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: the president. Are you there yet? I'm not. I'm not 801 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: there yet, but I can foresee that possibly coming. I 802 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,720 Speaker 1: and my staff began to look very closely this president 803 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: early on, and when we looked at all of his 804 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: allies and the people who were connected with him, and 805 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: with Putin and the Kremlin and with the oligarchs of Russia, 806 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,919 Speaker 1: we determined something was very wrong and we dubbed them 807 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: the Kremlin Clan. The Kremlin Clan, as identified has been 808 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: on my face page on Twitter for almost two years. 809 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: We know who they are. And this report only confirms 810 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 1: that what more do we need to do? Okay, So 811 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 1: if we cannot decide, if the Democrats cannot decide that 812 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna move with impeachment, I guess they're gonna go 813 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: on with these investigations. How long are they going to 814 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: go on with them? What more do they need to prove? 815 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: That's Nadler, Congressman Cummings Congresswoman Maxie Waters, and you know, 816 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: look at the headline say Democrats may pursue impeachment against 817 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Shifts may take up impeachment proceedings if it's 818 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: in the best if it's the best thing for the country. 819 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: Waters enough information in the Mueller Report to move forward 820 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: with impeachment. If we do nothing after Mueller Report, Trump 821 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: is going to be emboldened. Another headline, and it gets 822 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: on from there. You know, there's a conspiracy TV MSNBC 823 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: panel debating over the weekend. The strategy on impeachment would 824 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: be a mistake to start the hearings right away, but 825 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: we got to do it. You know, Joy read badgering 826 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,240 Speaker 1: a Democratic a congress person for not wanting to impeach 827 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,959 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. This is who they have now become. When 828 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,439 Speaker 1: is there ever somebody tell me an instance where they say, 829 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we could work with the president secure 830 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: our border, lower the prices of scripts and drugs like 831 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: we have been How many times has doctor Josh been 832 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: on this program of Atlas MD and he gets his 833 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: own negotiations with drug companies at ninety five discounts and 834 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: concierge's care for every American at pricey bucks a month 835 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: for adults. It's humbly. You walk out of the doctor's 836 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: office with your prescription and he's duplicated that nearly a 837 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: thousand times. What are they gonna talk about? Oh, how 838 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 1: can we be energy independent? How? You know? How what 839 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: do we do with the vast resources of energy? Is 840 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 1: there anything that Democrats are offering that helps forgotten men 841 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: and women that were so hurt during the Obama years? Anyway, 842 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: there is one Democrat a lot of courage in all 843 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: of this. As a new piece in The Hill today, 844 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: Mark Penn's headline, Muller's done. Democrat should be too. Trump 845 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: is no Nixon. But how much abuse do you get 846 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: for saying what is so obvious that they're destroying the 847 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,760 Speaker 1: Democratic Party? Well, you know, I get a mix of everything. 848 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 1: I've had people rightly, even from the Watergate era, thanking me. 849 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: So you know, look, I know it's a controversial viewpoint, 850 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: but I was in impeachment in the middle of it 851 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 1: in ninety eight, working with President Clinton, and I saw 852 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: how destructive these things out of the country. You want 853 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,320 Speaker 1: to have an election, an election, you want to have 854 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: an impeachment, You sure can't have one on the basis 855 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: of this report. You know what's amazing, Mark is And 856 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: I said this in terms of Bill Clinton and the 857 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: difference between him and Obama, and I felt like I 858 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: was out there on a limb with the smallest twig 859 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: hanging on a leaf from that was left from last 860 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: fall and about to you know, Duke Gingrich told me, 861 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: if I keep pushing so hard and vetting Obama, that 862 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm probably going to rule my career that I can't stop. 863 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: It's who I am. And I concluded, after Frank Marshall, 864 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: Davis Olinsky, Acorn community organizer, and Reverend Wright, and Arison 865 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: Dorn that Obama's going to be a radical ideologue. And 866 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: he was. He never changed Bill Clinton. You know, after 867 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: two years, Republicans take back Congress for the first time 868 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: in forty comes up with the era of big government 869 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: is over and the end of welfare as we know it. 870 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: He governed conservatively as a Democrat from that point on, 871 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: at least moderate, moderately, working with New ging Ridge to 872 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: solve problems. Well, yeah, I was part of that effort, 873 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 1: right And we had welfare reform, we had a balanced budget, 874 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: we had an immigration reform bill. At a time we 875 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: had a lot. We did a lot of good. We said, look, 876 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 1: let's put the country first. You know a lot of good. Listen, 877 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 1: the last time we had a balanced budget was with 878 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: new to speaker and Clinton as president. Yeah, that's true. 879 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: Look right, and Knut and the President would pound at 880 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: each other all day and they would go and negotiate 881 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: all night, and it worked and the country was better off. Correct. 882 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: So you see the headlines, you see the new Green Deal. 883 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 1: You hear impeachment, impeachment. You know, they're still pushing collusion 884 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 1: for crying out loud even though the Muller report couldn't 885 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 1: be any more clear. What does this do? Who wins 886 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 1: this battle? If there even is a battle? I mean 887 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: stanny horriers trying to pull back. Even Pelosi tried a little, 888 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: but then she gets hammered from her left flank. I 889 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,799 Speaker 1: would argue that the radicals have taken over the Democratic Party. 890 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: They win. Well, Look, Gingridge at the time went too 891 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: far and we gained seats in ninety eight. And I 892 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,359 Speaker 1: think Democrats around the path of going too far. They're 893 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: too far because the Mueller report showed no collusion. And 894 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: if it showed no collusion, how he obstruct justice? That 895 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,279 Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen. Then, in fact, the injustice was 896 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 1: the investigation itself. And I've seen how frustrated presidents get 897 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: when they're investigated for things they did do, let alone 898 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: for things they didn't do. You know, I love that 899 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,319 Speaker 1: whole thing on obstruction. Well, he said that I want 900 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: a firemaller. This is ridiculous as a witch hunt. He 901 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: said it all publicly. Or Rod Rosenstein is a bad guy. 902 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 1: He needs to go. Or I hope General Flynn doesn't 903 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,799 Speaker 1: get in trouble. He never took any steps, and he 904 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: had the authority himself to do all of that. He 905 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 1: would have legally, he could have fired Mueller, right, he 906 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: actually had, He had the constitutional authority to Fireballer. And 907 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: what did he actually do with Mueller? However, more documents 908 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: than we ever would have never invoked executive privilege one time, 909 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: not once, not one time. So he did the same 910 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,280 Speaker 1: thing he hit him during the day and with politics, 911 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: and by night he cooperated fully, gave them full access. 912 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 1: And you know what did they find that? Sometimes he 913 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 1: got frustrated. Who wouldn't get frustrated. But he didn't step 914 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: over any lines, He didn't shut down their investigation. He 915 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,919 Speaker 1: didn't pay hush money. There was none of the things 916 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: that was done like Nixon. This is absurd. This is 917 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,480 Speaker 1: a president who was continually frustrated that an investigation that 918 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,720 Speaker 1: should never have happened was plaguing his presidency over something 919 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And it's incredible when you think about it, 920 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: it's scary. Actually, now I can tell you my last 921 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: interview with the president, he was very clear that he 922 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: will declassify he Russia Gate documents. And from all of 923 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 1: my sources, and I worked a lot of sources in 924 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 1: the two plus years this has been going on, I 925 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: think you're pretty well aware of This was a team effort. 926 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: This was not just Sean Hannity. And we know that 927 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,040 Speaker 1: there's damning information in those five applications. I'll quote the 928 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 1: Grassly Grand Memo. The bulk of information in the FISA 929 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 1: applications came from that Hillary Clinton paid for Russian dossier 930 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: with lies, and it was also disseminated to the public. 931 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: And we also know that the fix was in even 932 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,799 Speaker 1: page and Struck threw it right on the desk of 933 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 1: Loretta Lynch, that they rigged the investigation into Hillary's email 934 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,359 Speaker 1: server and obvious obstruction of justice. Um, when we get 935 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 1: the Gang of Eight, those FISA applications, those five buckets 936 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: that I always talk about, then there's going to be 937 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: a new narrative in this country. You're you're keenly aware 938 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,880 Speaker 1: of it as well. And that's the abuse of power 939 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: that took place and the effort exactly to undermine a 940 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: duly elected president. Look, there were three things that that 941 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 1: you know that that caught my eye, right, I mean, first, 942 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 1: when it came out that the dossier itself was really 943 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,279 Speaker 1: paid for through an OPO research group that actually was 944 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: in fact funded by the DFC, and the Hillary Kim page, 945 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 1: So anyone would have would have said, hey, why are 946 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 1: we using a document it's not legitimate intelligence. Second, anybody 947 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 1: should just read it. It's a joke. When you read it, 948 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: it's a complete sham joke. If if you just read, 949 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: actually adopt it's not a joke. Though, if you're it's 950 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,759 Speaker 1: not a joke, right. Which the struct page text which said, 951 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,760 Speaker 1: you know what, the possibility of a conspiracy inside is real. 952 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 1: The stuff that you had on was real, that there 953 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: was more evidence for that than for the opposite, And 954 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,840 Speaker 1: any objective journalists should have seen that. You know, I 955 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,439 Speaker 1: went on a tweet storm last night and I don't 956 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,279 Speaker 1: have access to any social media having for a long time, 957 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,320 Speaker 1: so I have to I have to ask my staff. 958 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: I wrote it out and I sent it to them. 959 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 1: I said, can you send this out in a series 960 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,120 Speaker 1: of tweets? And all the things that they didn't do, 961 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,840 Speaker 1: all the you know, the fact that they tried to 962 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,800 Speaker 1: unsee a duly elected president, that there was an insurance 963 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,400 Speaker 1: policy for such the fact that the news media was 964 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: so wrong so often, as we have pointed out, the 965 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,319 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, all of these things happen, and 966 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,360 Speaker 1: they get it wrong on Richard Jewell, Cambridge Police, UVA, 967 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,840 Speaker 1: Duke Lacrosse, fergus in Baltimore, Vetting Obama, the Covington kids, Kavanaugh. 968 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, I can go on forever, and they never 969 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: This is the biggest epic fail ever by a news media. 970 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,800 Speaker 1: How does this fall out for them? Well, it ranks 971 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 1: up there with weapons of mass destruction. So let's say, 972 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: you know it. Look in fact, I don't understand how 973 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,800 Speaker 1: the media hasn't said, look all of these connections with Russia. 974 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 1: We didn't. We only looked at this campaign. We didn't 975 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 1: looked at everybody's connections. We didn't look at at the 976 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: Democrats connecta. We looked at these connections and none of 977 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 1: them led to anything that could remotely be called the collusion. 978 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 1: And therefore the media should have in effect apologized. And frankly, 979 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 1: it's incredible that it went. You know, for any real 980 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,400 Speaker 1: observer what Muller was doing. He does have a single 981 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,280 Speaker 1: prosecution based on that. He either has it on Farr 982 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: registration taxes or process crimes related to his own investigation. 983 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 1: Without even a single person indicted for obstruction or for collusion. 984 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,959 Speaker 1: How he then going to put this at the president's feet, 985 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: unless you think the president is a magician. I think 986 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 1: it's well said. All right, stay right there. More with 987 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 1: Mark Penn and the former poster for the Clintons. It's 988 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: his article. Muller's done. Democrats should be too. Trump is 989 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 1: not Nixon eight hundred and nine for one, Shawn, if 990 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: you want to be a part of this program right 991 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 1: as we continue, Mark Penn, former Clinton polster is with us. 992 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 1: Muller's done. Democrats should be too. Trump is no Nixon. 993 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,760 Speaker 1: But it's not going to happen. Now what I imagine 994 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: is going to happen at some point based on some 995 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: of the closed or testimony that we got, especially on 996 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 1: the Clinton email investigation, and I don't know where you stand. 997 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,440 Speaker 1: The evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible. She had top secret 998 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,720 Speaker 1: classified information on a private server. The law is clear 999 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,640 Speaker 1: eighteen USC. Seven ninety three. But struck in page referred 1000 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: to the fixed being in on that investigation. Also, that 1001 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: would be an underlying crime. Then if you want real obstruction, 1002 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,840 Speaker 1: well there was a real intent when you delete thirty 1003 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: three thousand subpoena and emails, you bleach bit your hard 1004 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,680 Speaker 1: drive to make it clean and it makes it unrecoverable, 1005 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: and have an aid bust up your devices in case 1006 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,560 Speaker 1: there's any evidence on that, So that would be intent. 1007 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 1: Then you have the whole fives abuse scandal, and then 1008 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,920 Speaker 1: an attempt to undo a duly elected president. Do you 1009 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,400 Speaker 1: see all of these things now coming to light? And 1010 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,920 Speaker 1: isn't it in the country's best interest to get to 1011 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of all of it? Well, you know, someone 1012 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,880 Speaker 1: who worked for the Clinton sun I steal away from 1013 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,479 Speaker 1: commenting directly on people whom I respect, and I feel 1014 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,080 Speaker 1: it did a lot of good for the country. Item think, 1015 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: let me ask you another way if you deleted thirty 1016 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,120 Speaker 1: three thousand subpoena emails, got need to do that? No? No, 1017 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: if you deleted thirty three thousand subpoena emails, acid washed 1018 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 1: your hard drive with bleach bit, had an aid, bust 1019 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 1: up your phones and blackberries, do you think you'd be 1020 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,280 Speaker 1: in trouble? Well, let me foot to this way. You 1021 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,240 Speaker 1: don't delete emails unless you really deep too, especially if 1022 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: they're other congressional subpoena. As a general rule, I just 1023 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna be nice and just let that 1024 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,960 Speaker 1: pass by the way, go ahead. I don't think they're 1025 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,320 Speaker 1: going to go back to there. I think the focus 1026 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,800 Speaker 1: here is going to be on the FBI, the CIA, 1027 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: the Obama administration, the listening and the unmasking, the trick 1028 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: that was done against against Flynn by by Sally Yates 1029 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 1: that was terrible. That's where things are going to center. 1030 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,920 Speaker 1: And I think it is the most explosive scandal really, 1031 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: certainly in my lifetime, in American history. You're on the 1032 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,280 Speaker 1: right side of history. It is the biggest abuse of 1033 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 1: power corruption scandal we've ever seen. They tried to rig 1034 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: an election. They saved one candidate from indictment, then they 1035 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,440 Speaker 1: tried to undo an election, and they knew what they 1036 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,840 Speaker 1: were doing, and unfortunately for those involved. There's the evidence 1037 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: that is coming that proves at all We already have 1038 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it. Mark Penn, thank you, appreciate it, 1039 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 1: all right, glad you're with us News round up, information 1040 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: overload our look, a lot of you working, a lot 1041 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,680 Speaker 1: of you busy. Nine thirty. The Attorney General with Rod 1042 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Rosenstein with him, and of course with consultation of the 1043 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Special Council and the Office of Independent Counsel. Yeah, they 1044 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,840 Speaker 1: made the decision because there's no evidence that rises to 1045 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,480 Speaker 1: any level of obstruction. Many of you missed it. I 1046 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,840 Speaker 1: want you to hear it in full, and this is 1047 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,120 Speaker 1: the Attorney General bar from earlier today. The Special Council's 1048 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: report states that his quote, investigation did not establish that 1049 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the 1050 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,959 Speaker 1: Russian government in its election interference activities. I am sure 1051 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,280 Speaker 1: that all Americans share my concern about the efforts of 1052 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,120 Speaker 1: the Russian government to interfere in our presidential election. As 1053 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: the Special Council report makes clear, the Russian government sought 1054 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,240 Speaker 1: to interfere in our election process, but thanks to the 1055 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Special Council's thorough investigation, we now know that the Russian 1056 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: operatives who perpetrated these schemes did not have the cooperation 1057 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: of President Trump or the Trump Campaign, or the knowing 1058 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 1: assistance of any other American for that matter. That is 1059 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: something that all Americans can and should be grateful to 1060 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,080 Speaker 1: have confirmed. First, the report details efforts by the Internet 1061 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: Research Agency, a Russian company with close ties to the 1062 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Russian government, to sew social discord among American voters through 1063 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:57,480 Speaker 1: disinformation and social media operations. Following a thorough investigation of 1064 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:02,920 Speaker 1: this disinformation campaign, Especial Council brought charges in federal court 1065 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: against several Russian nationals and entities for their respective roles 1066 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,800 Speaker 1: in this scheme. Those charges remain pending and the individual 1067 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: defendants remain at large. But the Special Council found no 1068 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 1: evidence that any American, including anyone associated with the Trump campaign, 1069 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 1: conspired or coordinated with the Russian government or the IRA. 1070 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 1: In another way, the Special Council found no collusion by 1071 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 1: any Americans in IRA's illegal activities. Second, the report details 1072 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: efforts by the Russian military officials associated with the GRU, 1073 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:46,080 Speaker 1: the Russian Military intelligence organization, to hack into computers and 1074 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,800 Speaker 1: steal documents and emails from individuals associated with the Democratic 1075 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Party and Hillary Clinton's campaign. But again, the Special Council's 1076 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 1: report did not find any evidence that members of the 1077 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: Trump campaign or anyone associated with the campaign conspired or 1078 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: coordinated with the Russian government in these hacking operations. In 1079 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 1: other words, there was no evidence of the Trump campaign 1080 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 1: collusion with the Russian government's hacking. The Special Council's investigation 1081 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 1: also examined Russian efforts to publish stolen emails and documents 1082 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 1: on the internet. The Special Council found that after the 1083 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,600 Speaker 1: GRU disseminated some of the stolen documents to entities that 1084 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 1: it controlled, DC leaks and goosafer two, the GRU transferred 1085 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,200 Speaker 1: some of the stolen materials to wiki leaks for publication. 1086 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Wiki Leaks then made a series of document dumps. The 1087 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Special Council also investigated whether any member or affiliate of 1088 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:51,440 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign encouraged or otherwise played a role in 1089 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: these dissemination efforts. Under applicable law, publication of these types 1090 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: of material would not be criminal unless the publisher also 1091 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 1: participated in the underlying hacking conspiracy. After finding no underlying 1092 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,160 Speaker 1: collusion with Russia, the Special Council's report goes on to 1093 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,640 Speaker 1: consider whether certain actions of the President could amount to 1094 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,840 Speaker 1: obstruction of the Special Council's investigation. As I addressed in 1095 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 1: my March twenty fourth letter, the Special Council did not 1096 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,600 Speaker 1: make a traditional prosecutorial judgment regarding this allegation. Instead, the 1097 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,520 Speaker 1: report recounts ten episodes involving the President and discusses potential 1098 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,360 Speaker 1: legal theories for connecting those activities to the elements of 1099 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 1: an obstruction offense. After carefully reviewing the facts and legal 1100 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 1: theories outlined in the report and in consultation with the 1101 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,920 Speaker 1: Office of Legal Counsel and other Department lawyers, the Deputy 1102 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,920 Speaker 1: Attorney General and I concluded that the evidence developed by 1103 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 1: the Special Council is not sufficient to establish that the 1104 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 1: President committed an obstruction of justice offense. Although the Deputy 1105 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Attorney General and I disagreed with some of the Special 1106 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 1: Council's legal theories and felt that some of the episodes 1107 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: examined did not amount to obstruction as a matter of law, 1108 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 1: we did not rely solely on that in making our decision. Instead, 1109 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: we accepted the Special Council's legal framework for purposes of 1110 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,040 Speaker 1: our analysis and evaluated the evidence as presented by the 1111 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: Special Counsel in reaching our conclusions. In assessing the president's 1112 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,520 Speaker 1: actions discussed in the report, it is important to bear 1113 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:34,280 Speaker 1: in mind the context. President Trump faced an unprecedented situation 1114 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,040 Speaker 1: as he entered into office and sought to perform his 1115 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:42,440 Speaker 1: responsibilities as president. Federal agents and prosecutors were scrutinizing his 1116 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,200 Speaker 1: conduct before and after taking office and the conduct of 1117 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,120 Speaker 1: some of his associates. At the same time, there was 1118 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 1: relentless speculation in the news media about the president's personal culpability. Yet, 1119 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,960 Speaker 1: as he said from the beginning, there was in fact 1120 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,720 Speaker 1: no collusion, and as this Special Council's report acknowledges, there 1121 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,880 Speaker 1: is substantial evidence to show that the President was frustrated 1122 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,400 Speaker 1: and angered by his sincere belief that the investigation was 1123 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:16,400 Speaker 1: undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents and fueled 1124 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:21,040 Speaker 1: by illegal leaks. Nonetheless, the White House fully cooperated with 1125 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:26,000 Speaker 1: the Special Counsel's investigation, providing unfettered access to campaign and 1126 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: White House documents, directing senior aids to testify freely, and 1127 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,240 Speaker 1: asserting no privileged claims. And at the same time, the 1128 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 1: President took no act that in fact deprived the Special 1129 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Counsel of the documents and witnesses necessary to complete his investigation. 1130 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,280 Speaker 1: Apart from whether the acts were obstructive, this evidence of 1131 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:51,120 Speaker 1: non corrupt motives weighs heavily against any allegation that the 1132 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,840 Speaker 1: President had a corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation. As 1133 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: you will see, most of the redactions were compelled by 1134 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,240 Speaker 1: the need to prevent arm to ongoing matters and to 1135 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,800 Speaker 1: comply with court orders prohibiting the public disclosure of information 1136 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,320 Speaker 1: bearing on ongoing investigations and criminal cases such as the 1137 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,600 Speaker 1: IRA case and the Roger Stone case. These redactions were 1138 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,800 Speaker 1: applied by Department of Justice attorneys working closely together with 1139 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 1: attorneys from the Special Council's Office, as well as the 1140 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,720 Speaker 1: intelligence community and prosecutors are handling the ongoing cases. The 1141 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: redactions are their work product. No redactions done by anybody 1142 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,640 Speaker 1: outside this group. There were no redactions done by anybody 1143 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,720 Speaker 1: outside this group. No one outside this group proposed any redactions, 1144 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and no one outside the Department has seen the unredacted report, 1145 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,760 Speaker 1: with the exception of certain sections that were made available 1146 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:55,520 Speaker 1: to ice the intelligence community for their advice on protecting 1147 01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:01,000 Speaker 1: intelligence sources and methods. Consistent with longstanding executive branch practice, 1148 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,880 Speaker 1: the decision whether to assert executive privilege over any portion 1149 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,240 Speaker 1: of the report rested with the President of the United States. 1150 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 1: Because the White House had voluntarily cooperated with a Special Council, 1151 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,720 Speaker 1: Significant portions of the report contain material over which the 1152 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,760 Speaker 1: President could have asserted privilege, and he would have been 1153 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: well within his rights to do so. Following by March 1154 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,919 Speaker 1: twenty ninth letter, the Office of the White House Council 1155 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,840 Speaker 1: requested the opportunity to review the redacted version of the 1156 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,520 Speaker 1: report in order to advise the President on the potential 1157 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:38,959 Speaker 1: invocation of privilege, which is consistent with longstanding practice. Following 1158 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,720 Speaker 1: that review, the President confirmed that, in the interests of 1159 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,719 Speaker 1: transparency and full disclosure to the American people, he would 1160 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,559 Speaker 1: not assert privilege over the Special Council's report. Accordingly, the 1161 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,280 Speaker 1: public report releasing today contains redactions only for the four 1162 01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,200 Speaker 1: categories that I previously outlined, and no material has been 1163 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:02,240 Speaker 1: redacted based on executive privilege. In addition, earlier this week, 1164 01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,600 Speaker 1: the President's Personal Council requested and was given the opportunity 1165 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,240 Speaker 1: to read a final version of the redacted report before 1166 01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,560 Speaker 1: it was publicly released. That request was consistent with a 1167 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,080 Speaker 1: practice followed under the Ethics and Government Act, which permitted 1168 01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,679 Speaker 1: individuals named in a report prepared by an independent council 1169 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,160 Speaker 1: the opportunity to read the report before publication. The President's 1170 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,080 Speaker 1: personal lawyers were not permitted to make and did not 1171 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:33,599 Speaker 1: request any redactions. In addition to making the redacted report public, 1172 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,400 Speaker 1: we are also working with Congress to accommodate their legitimate 1173 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,519 Speaker 1: oversight interests with respect of the Special Council's investigation. We 1174 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: have been consulting with Chairman Graham and Chairman Nadler through 1175 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,240 Speaker 1: this process, and we will continue to do so. Given 1176 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 1: the limited nature of the redactions, I believe that the 1177 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,360 Speaker 1: publicly released report will allow every American to understand the 1178 01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,639 Speaker 1: results of the Special Council's investigation. Nevertheless, in an effort 1179 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,120 Speaker 1: to commodate Congressional requests, we will make available, subject to 1180 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,719 Speaker 1: appropriate safeguards, to a bipartisan group of leaders from several 1181 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 1: Congressional committees, a version of the report with all redactions 1182 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: removed except those relating to grand jury information. Thus, these 1183 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,559 Speaker 1: members of Congress will be able to see all of 1184 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,599 Speaker 1: the redacted material for themselves, with a limited exception of 1185 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,040 Speaker 1: that which by law, cannot be shared. I believe that 1186 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,280 Speaker 1: this accommodation, together with my upcoming testimony before the Senate 1187 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,960 Speaker 1: and House Judiciary committees, will satisfy any need Congress has 1188 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:42,320 Speaker 1: for information regarding the Special Council's investigation. Mister Attorney General, 1189 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,840 Speaker 1: we don't have the report in hand, so could you 1190 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,160 Speaker 1: explain for us the Special Council's articulated reason for not 1191 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,240 Speaker 1: reaching a decision on obstruction of justice and if it 1192 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,400 Speaker 1: had anything to do with the Department's longstanding guidance on 1193 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,559 Speaker 1: non indicting. As Senate President, and you say, disagree with 1194 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,560 Speaker 1: some of his revolt, peris, why did you disagree with? 1195 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,479 Speaker 1: An honest I'd leave it to his description in the report, 1196 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:10,360 Speaker 1: the Special Council's own articulation of why he did not 1197 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,120 Speaker 1: want to make a determination as to whether or not 1198 01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,160 Speaker 1: there was an obstruction of fence. But I will say 1199 01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,240 Speaker 1: that when we met with him, a Deputy Attorney General 1200 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Rosenstein and I met with him along with Ed O'Callahan, 1201 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,320 Speaker 1: who is the principal Associate Deputy on March fifth, we 1202 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,960 Speaker 1: specifically asked him about the OLC opinion and whether or 1203 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,840 Speaker 1: not he was taking the position that he would have 1204 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,000 Speaker 1: found a crime but for the existence of the OLC opinion, 1205 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,560 Speaker 1: And he made it very clear several times that that 1206 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,360 Speaker 1: was not his position. He was not saying that but 1207 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,559 Speaker 1: for the OLC opinion, he would have found a crime. 1208 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,640 Speaker 1: He made it clear that he had not made the 1209 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:57,160 Speaker 1: determination that there was a crime. Given that, why did you, 1210 01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,360 Speaker 1: mister rosenstein Field, the need you had to take it 1211 01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,960 Speaker 1: to the next to conclude that there was no crime, 1212 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:07,839 Speaker 1: especially given that DJ policy, well, the very prosecutorial function 1213 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,560 Speaker 1: and all our powers as prosecutors, including the power to 1214 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,200 Speaker 1: convene grand juries, and the compulsory process that's involved there 1215 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,760 Speaker 1: is for one purpose and one purpose only. It's determined 1216 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,200 Speaker 1: yes or no, was alleged conduct criminal or not criminal. 1217 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,320 Speaker 1: That is our responsibility, and that's why we have the 1218 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,800 Speaker 1: tools we have, and we don't go through this process 1219 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,639 Speaker 1: just to collect information and throw it out to the public. 1220 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,680 Speaker 1: We collect this information, we use that compulsory process for 1221 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,200 Speaker 1: the purpose of making that decision. And because the Special 1222 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,719 Speaker 1: Counsel did not make that decision, we felt the Department 1223 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,439 Speaker 1: had to and that was a decision by me and 1224 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:55,559 Speaker 1: the Deputy Attorney General. Special council indication that he wanted 1225 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,640 Speaker 1: you to make the decision or that it should be 1226 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,680 Speaker 1: left for Congress. And also, how do you respond to 1227 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,000 Speaker 1: criticism you were seeing receiving from Congressional Democrats that you're 1228 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,360 Speaker 1: acting more as an attorney for the president rather than 1229 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,000 Speaker 1: as the chief laws been officer. Well, special counsel. Mueller 1230 01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 1: did not indicate that his purpose was to leave the 1231 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,479 Speaker 1: decision to Congress. I hope that was not his view, 1232 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,560 Speaker 1: since we don't convene grand juries and conduct criminal investigations 1233 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 1: for that purpose. He did not. I didn't talk to 1234 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,920 Speaker 1: him directly about the fact that we were making the decision, 1235 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 1: but I am told that his reaction to that was 1236 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,360 Speaker 1: that it was my prerogative as Attorney General to make 1237 01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:42,280 Speaker 1: that decision. Asked for Robert Mueller himself to testify. Robert 1238 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,519 Speaker 1: Mueller remains a Justice Department employee as of this moment. 1239 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Will you permit him to testify publicly to Congress? No 1240 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,360 Speaker 1: rejection for Bob Mueller personally testifying, the Stinney generals, other 1241 01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,080 Speaker 1: Democrats who have questions some of the process here. A 1242 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,720 Speaker 1: Republican appointed judge on Tuesday said, you have who created it, 1243 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,040 Speaker 1: and vironment that is called a significant part of the 1244 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,320 Speaker 1: American public to be concerned about these redactions to you 1245 01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,200 Speaker 1: clear the president on obstruction. The president is fund raising 1246 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,680 Speaker 1: off of your comments about spying, and here you have 1247 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,760 Speaker 1: remarks that are quite generous to the president, including acknowledging 1248 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,559 Speaker 1: his feelings and his emotions. So what do you say 1249 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,400 Speaker 1: to people on both sides of the aisle who are 1250 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,040 Speaker 1: concerned that you are trying to protect the president. Well, actually, 1251 01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:27,160 Speaker 1: the statements about his sincere beliefs are recognizing the report 1252 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,760 Speaker 1: that there was substantial evidence for that. So I'm not 1253 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,840 Speaker 1: sure what your basis is for saying that I am 1254 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,440 Speaker 1: being generous to the president. He makes an unpresidented situation. 1255 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,080 Speaker 1: It just seems like there's a lot of efforts to 1256 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 1: say to go out of the way to acknowledge how 1257 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,720 Speaker 1: this well is there is there another precedent for it? No, 1258 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,400 Speaker 1: but it's okay. So unpresidented as an accurate description, isn't it. Yes, 1259 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of public interest in the absence of 1260 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,720 Speaker 1: the Special Council and memforts of his team. Was he 1261 01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,920 Speaker 1: invited to joining up on the podium? Why is he 1262 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 1: not here? This is his report obviously that you're talking 1263 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,400 Speaker 1: about the day to report he did for me as 1264 01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,720 Speaker 1: the Attorney General. He is required under the regulation to 1265 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,719 Speaker 1: provide me with a confidential report. I'm here to discuss 1266 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,840 Speaker 1: my response to that report and my decision entirely discretionary 1267 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,599 Speaker 1: to make it public since these reports are not supposed 1268 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,040 Speaker 1: to be made public. That's what I'm here to discuss. 1269 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,559 Speaker 1: And with respect to the breaking New York Times story 1270 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,639 Speaker 1: about about the White House and Justice Department, the only 1271 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:29,240 Speaker 1: collusion here is colluding on this. This is actual collusion. 1272 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,080 Speaker 1: By the way occasion ward, what does collusion look like? 1273 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,920 Speaker 1: It looked at like the Attorney general briefing, the astorney 1274 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 1: general's lawyer's briefing the president before Congress of the public. 1275 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,479 Speaker 1: Here's a different theory that he spent the last twenty 1276 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,719 Speaker 1: years watching Fox News and he's become a real Trump 1277 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,160 Speaker 1: supporter and he's like everyone else. In the admonistration, I 1278 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,320 Speaker 1: was asking, there's another explanation. Yeah, okay, but I mean 1279 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,040 Speaker 1: not saying you don't get explan I just think, you know, 1280 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,519 Speaker 1: if you look at his behavior, it is not that 1281 01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:00,040 Speaker 1: of a geriatric It is that of a partisan. And 1282 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,800 Speaker 1: although we thought going into it that he's deeply conservative 1283 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,960 Speaker 1: as well, that he was very close to Trump, that 1284 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,000 Speaker 1: he was going to be a truck lackey of the president. 1285 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,800 Speaker 1: It turns out that this Attorney general is he was 1286 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,080 Speaker 1: under oath. He said he wasn't going to talk about 1287 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,040 Speaker 1: the report till it comes out. So I think people 1288 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,439 Speaker 1: are confused, at best confused. Why would you come out 1289 01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,600 Speaker 1: and talk about a document and shape perspective of a 1290 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,760 Speaker 1: perspective on a document document that nobody has been able 1291 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,200 Speaker 1: to see what has changed in a week. The president 1292 01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,479 Speaker 1: is the subject of the investigation, and honestly, I've never 1293 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,479 Speaker 1: heard of such a thing. It's a complete breach of president, 1294 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,719 Speaker 1: it's a breach of common sense, and indeed, it makes 1295 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,960 Speaker 1: Trump look blatantly guilty. We shouldn't take anything that Barr 1296 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,800 Speaker 1: says tomorrow. You said it exactly right at the open. 1297 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,400 Speaker 1: We shouldn't take anything that Barr says tomorrow as anything 1298 01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,320 Speaker 1: other than performative coonery. We shouldn't take anything that the 1299 01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,799 Speaker 1: president says tomorrow as anything other than spin. This seems 1300 01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,120 Speaker 1: to me it's just analysis here, exactly like something Trump 1301 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,800 Speaker 1: would do is push someone out to brand it, then 1302 01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,479 Speaker 1: rebrand it himself, and then the report comes out and 1303 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,560 Speaker 1: we have to go through all of it and do 1304 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,719 Speaker 1: our best to deal with it fairly, with every piece 1305 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:18,040 Speaker 1: of information painstaking, but Michael, it's also shortsighted. He again, 1306 01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,799 Speaker 1: he does something once again that is going to scuff 1307 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,479 Speaker 1: up his reputations, actually his reputations. I mean the attorney 1308 01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the attorney generals bar maybe the person 1309 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,040 Speaker 1: ultimately responsible for a change in how we select our 1310 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:36,320 Speaker 1: attorney generals. And it seemed bizarre at this point. Luckily 1311 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,360 Speaker 1: this president has a client attorney general clearly and a 1312 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,240 Speaker 1: very amped up, jacked up message operation. Sean Hannity said 1313 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,600 Speaker 1: two years ago that Richard Nixon wouldn't have had to 1314 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,720 Speaker 1: resign if he'd had Fox News. Actually think HARALDA said 1315 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,400 Speaker 1: it to Sean Hannity and they chuckled. That might be true, 1316 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:59,040 Speaker 1: because this conduct is as sort of impeachable looking if 1317 01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,920 Speaker 1: you put it in a time capsule, as Nixon's conduct. 1318 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,080 Speaker 1: But when Nixon didn't have was an overdrive sort of 1319 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,759 Speaker 1: social media we now know, aided it embatted by Russian 1320 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:14,000 Speaker 1: rolls and a news network dedicated to amplifying what is 1321 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,400 Speaker 1: a very subjective read of a report that, in the end, 1322 01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,000 Speaker 1: if it exonerates them, why are they so upset by 1323 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,280 Speaker 1: all the details? All Right? They have it more of 1324 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 1: the media meltdown. I'll take it as a compliment because 1325 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,040 Speaker 1: we told the truth. It is amazing, it's so predictable. 1326 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,160 Speaker 1: It's everything I told you would happen yesterday happens. But 1327 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 1: it's over. And they don't know yet that it's over. 1328 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,639 Speaker 1: In so many different ways. Eight hundred and ninety four 1329 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,880 Speaker 1: one sewn toll free telephone number. Now we played in 1330 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,560 Speaker 1: the last half hour the Attorney General Bill Barr and 1331 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,880 Speaker 1: he had Rod Rosenstein right next to him, and the 1332 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:56,920 Speaker 1: Office Illegal Counsel in conjunction with consulting the Special Counsel. Yeah, 1333 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,200 Speaker 1: they left it to them to decide unobstruction. And for 1334 01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,559 Speaker 1: all the reasons that we've discussed earlier in the program. 1335 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,240 Speaker 1: Today it's over. It doesn't matter what these people think. 1336 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,640 Speaker 1: None of these people care about real obstruction. It's like 1337 01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,439 Speaker 1: they cared about I believe every woman has a right 1338 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,519 Speaker 1: to be believed. I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe. 1339 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,840 Speaker 1: Then it's a democratic governor lieutenant governor in the state 1340 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,560 Speaker 1: or the Commonwealth of Virginia, State of Virginia who is 1341 01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,799 Speaker 1: accused of rape and violent sexual assault by two separate 1342 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,320 Speaker 1: individuals who told people at the time give compelling interviews 1343 01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,400 Speaker 1: to Gail King of CBS, and all the I believers 1344 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,040 Speaker 1: are nowhere to be found. They don't care about real obstruction, 1345 01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,920 Speaker 1: but with an underlying crime, which is this is the 1346 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,720 Speaker 1: biggest problem here. Biggest problem they have is that they 1347 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:55,360 Speaker 1: have no underlying crime. The president is totally, incompletely exonerated. 1348 01:19:55,880 --> 01:20:00,200 Speaker 1: The idea these ten items laid out in part two 1349 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:06,240 Speaker 1: of this you know waste, monotonous, boring, dull, ridiculous report 1350 01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: that took two and a half years to put together, 1351 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,000 Speaker 1: is that they have nothing except in uendo, which is 1352 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,439 Speaker 1: all they're left with and process crimes. Yeah, well I 1353 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,040 Speaker 1: conclude things. I've gotten things out of this and nobody 1354 01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,679 Speaker 1: else seems to get. And you know what, they blow 1355 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,080 Speaker 1: up the most insignificant things, ignoring the biggest one is 1356 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,800 Speaker 1: that we are vulnerable as a country, which brings to 1357 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,360 Speaker 1: light the danger of what Hillary did by putting top 1358 01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,280 Speaker 1: seek or classified information on a mom and pop you 1359 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,519 Speaker 1: know server, and then yeah, that was a real violation, 1360 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,800 Speaker 1: fell in the Espionage Act, and then of course they 1361 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,599 Speaker 1: rigged that investigation, and then of course the intent destroying 1362 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:51,000 Speaker 1: subpoena emails and washing her hard drive and beating up 1363 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,479 Speaker 1: her blackberries and iPhones. Yeah, that was all that was. 1364 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,040 Speaker 1: The intention was to destroy the evidence, slammedun case. Not 1365 01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:02,800 Speaker 1: one person in this corrupt rage hatred media mob dare 1366 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,040 Speaker 1: bring that up because they lose. But it's now now 1367 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,360 Speaker 1: everything begins to go back to what I've been saying. Anyway, 1368 01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,800 Speaker 1: joining us now we have Jonathan Gillham, former FBI agent, 1369 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,559 Speaker 1: Federal Air Marshall, author of Sheep No More. Danielle McLaughlin, attorney, 1370 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,599 Speaker 1: constitutional expert. Thank you both for being with us. When 1371 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,439 Speaker 1: you get to the bottom line and all of this, 1372 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,560 Speaker 1: there is no collusion, there is no obstruction, there is 1373 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:34,000 Speaker 1: no case for such, and now we have this is 1374 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:40,600 Speaker 1: their last gasp at hysterical and feigning coverage of moral outrage, 1375 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,920 Speaker 1: which we know is selective and phony. Jonathan, Yeah, I 1376 01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,920 Speaker 1: think you know. I watched your show last night on 1377 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,720 Speaker 1: Fox News, John, and one thing that really stood out 1378 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,040 Speaker 1: is I winner ran because I wanted to see how 1379 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,160 Speaker 1: the media was spinning certain things and how people were 1380 01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,600 Speaker 1: going to say stuff. What you just brought up is 1381 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,160 Speaker 1: something's very important, is that throughout this entire time you 1382 01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,800 Speaker 1: all have been showing proof. You've been saying this. You know, 1383 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,920 Speaker 1: these are the examples of what happened and how this 1384 01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,200 Speaker 1: case should have never gone forward with the fake docia 1385 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,760 Speaker 1: and the fake evidence and all these other things. And 1386 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,519 Speaker 1: it was very important because last night was validating for you, 1387 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,040 Speaker 1: and today is validating for you. But what it showed 1388 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 1: me was that when people on the right discuss and 1389 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,680 Speaker 1: analyze this, they do it with evidence, not with emotion. 1390 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,719 Speaker 1: And that is the biggest thing that you see today 1391 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,479 Speaker 1: with all those clips that you just play, is that 1392 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,840 Speaker 1: it's a hundred percent emotion. And these people are being 1393 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,000 Speaker 1: fed their own information that they created and then they 1394 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,519 Speaker 1: get emotional about it, and it reminds me of when 1395 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,480 Speaker 1: so it's what they've wanted and they put all their credibility, 1396 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,360 Speaker 1: not that they had any on the line, and they 1397 01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,080 Speaker 1: ran with their anonymous sources. But when you get to 1398 01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,360 Speaker 1: the whole issue, they've been saying Russia, Russia, Russia, collusion, collusion, collusion, collusion, 1399 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,360 Speaker 1: even when the Mueller reported with his partisan team of hacks, 1400 01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean you could they're seething with hatred and dying 1401 01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,000 Speaker 1: and wishing and hoping that they can nail this guy 1402 01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,160 Speaker 1: and they can't, you know, And when the report has 1403 01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,720 Speaker 1: the State the investigation did not establish members of the 1404 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,160 Speaker 1: Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in 1405 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,760 Speaker 1: its election interference activities. The case is over. And then 1406 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,760 Speaker 1: you say, well, the President wanted to fire Sessions, and 1407 01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,720 Speaker 1: he wanted to fire Muller, and he wanted to he 1408 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,200 Speaker 1: wanted General Flynn not to get in trouble, and you 1409 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,519 Speaker 1: know all of this, Okay, Well, the Danielle you also 1410 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,280 Speaker 1: had people in the deep state that wanted to wear 1411 01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,400 Speaker 1: a wire on the president and talked openly about it, 1412 01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,320 Speaker 1: and wanted to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment and talked 1413 01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,719 Speaker 1: openly about it. And then you have real evidence where 1414 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,760 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, you know, had her investigation rigged from the 1415 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,439 Speaker 1: get go, and real evidence of obstruction. The double standard 1416 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,600 Speaker 1: is nauseating in this country. Good afternoon, guys. You know, 1417 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,200 Speaker 1: they're a chin instances in this report where the president 1418 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,679 Speaker 1: is alleged to have obstructed justice, and there are many 1419 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,800 Speaker 1: more where it's reported by the investigators that he tried 1420 01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,960 Speaker 1: and failed because people around him decided that they weren't 1421 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,479 Speaker 1: going to go along. I agree, you know, Robert Muller 1422 01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,560 Speaker 1: did his job, Bill bar did his job. They have 1423 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,320 Speaker 1: concluded basically because the president that decided cannot be indicted 1424 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,080 Speaker 1: for a crime, which is DOJ guidance that there is 1425 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,599 Speaker 1: not a crime there. The answer here will be political. 1426 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,960 Speaker 1: And the way I think about it as this, would 1427 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,439 Speaker 1: you lose your job if you've done these things? I 1428 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,920 Speaker 1: would lose my job. This is a political thing. This 1429 01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,840 Speaker 1: is I suspect there. Maybe if you've done what? If 1430 01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,000 Speaker 1: you've done what things? What done what? There's an internal 1431 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,800 Speaker 1: investigation in your job, and you do go out of 1432 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,679 Speaker 1: your way to destroy evidence. You lie to the American people, 1433 01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,920 Speaker 1: which is what Sarah Sanders did when she talked about 1434 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,120 Speaker 1: that FBI agents will as a country were glad that 1435 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Jim Komi was fine. The way, excuse me, every FBI 1436 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,160 Speaker 1: agent I know, and Jonathan knows more than me. None 1437 01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,240 Speaker 1: of them like what what the likes of Comey Struck, 1438 01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Paige McCabe and others did. None of them. But that's 1439 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,679 Speaker 1: not what Sarah said. She said that people had told 1440 01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,760 Speaker 1: her that from the FBI, and that was a lie. 1441 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,599 Speaker 1: She liked it. How do you know, Wait a minute, 1442 01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,519 Speaker 1: I'm hearing it from my FBI friends all the time. 1443 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,559 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I'm wearing an FBI pin 1444 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,600 Speaker 1: a lot of nights on TV because one of my 1445 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,720 Speaker 1: FBI buddies said, you know, thank you for sticking up 1446 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,799 Speaker 1: for the ninety nine percent of us that are honest 1447 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,759 Speaker 1: and decent and hard working and take our job seriously 1448 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,040 Speaker 1: and we would never do what they did here. I 1449 01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:33,120 Speaker 1: have ultimate respect for any person in law enforcement. I'm 1450 01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,360 Speaker 1: talking about Sarah sand it's lying about what a purported 1451 01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,600 Speaker 1: You keep repeating it, but you know, but I'm telling you, 1452 01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,599 Speaker 1: I'm hearing it everywhere from the same FBI agents, probably Jonathan. 1453 01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,560 Speaker 1: What do you hear from your FBI buddy? Still a 1454 01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:51,920 Speaker 1: lie because it's not Don't see what people are looking 1455 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,800 Speaker 1: at when they're saying that somebody obstructed justice. There was 1456 01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,920 Speaker 1: nothing there. And if you're being an investigator, if anybody 1457 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,680 Speaker 1: else is being investigated and they didn't do anything wrong, 1458 01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,479 Speaker 1: I would be telling people. As well. As a former 1459 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,840 Speaker 1: FBI agent, I would tell people, don't cooperate, go get 1460 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,760 Speaker 1: an attorney. If somebody's trying to prove you guilty of 1461 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,479 Speaker 1: something that you didn't do and they're fabricating evidence and 1462 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:18,360 Speaker 1: the entire case is hinging on fake evidence, I would say, 1463 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,439 Speaker 1: get an attorney, don't cooperate, and then if you get 1464 01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,160 Speaker 1: a chance to go out into the media and stand 1465 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,439 Speaker 1: up for yourself. I would say do that, and that 1466 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,680 Speaker 1: is exactly what the Trump administration did. There's no obstruction 1467 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,000 Speaker 1: of justice because there was no justice. How can you 1468 01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,840 Speaker 1: obstruct a fake investigation? There is a difference between not 1469 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,320 Speaker 1: cooperating and actively obstructing an investoration. To cooperate with a 1470 01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,400 Speaker 1: fake investigation. Why would co operate with a fake investigation 1471 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,360 Speaker 1: if you had If you weren't conducting an investigation as 1472 01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,320 Speaker 1: an agent, and you knew that someone was trying to 1473 01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,800 Speaker 1: tell people to lie, with destroying evidence, with telling people 1474 01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,960 Speaker 1: to lie on other accounts, would you would you go 1475 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,200 Speaker 1: after that person for obstructing your investigation. I would never 1476 01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,599 Speaker 1: investigate somebody unless, and this is where the FBI works, 1477 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,639 Speaker 1: unless we have probable cause to believe that they're guilty. 1478 01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,559 Speaker 1: And in this case, there was no cart probable cause. 1479 01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,080 Speaker 1: It was the sake piece of evidence that was paid 1480 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,680 Speaker 1: for by political operatives. I would never have brought that 1481 01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:24,080 Speaker 1: investigation forward, Danielle. We know about Papadopolist, we know about 1482 01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:29,240 Speaker 1: the Australian ambassador, We know about the fact that somebody 1483 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,680 Speaker 1: connected to that campaign knew that Russia had hacked the 1484 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,000 Speaker 1: DNC and there was damaging information on Hillary Clinton. That 1485 01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,719 Speaker 1: is probable cause you cannot have foreign interference in an election. 1486 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,240 Speaker 1: And I want to say this again, I accept the 1487 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,720 Speaker 1: report as all Americans should. They did not find criminal wrongdoing. 1488 01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,519 Speaker 1: This will become a political process, and who knows what's 1489 01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,360 Speaker 1: going to happen. We saw what happened with Bill Clinton. 1490 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,360 Speaker 1: Newt Gingrich got over his skis. He went too hard, 1491 01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,960 Speaker 1: and the Republicans lost the House. But Democrats are going 1492 01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,840 Speaker 1: to have to decide what they do. But when I 1493 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,840 Speaker 1: see the stuff and writing, I just think if I 1494 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,040 Speaker 1: had a job and I did all this stuff, and 1495 01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about people at haunts, would you keep your 1496 01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:11,479 Speaker 1: job on? This conversation that you're having with us doesn't 1497 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,439 Speaker 1: mean anything because it was a completely fake investigation. Let 1498 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,479 Speaker 1: me tell you something. If you were standing you were 1499 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,679 Speaker 1: really hungry, and you were standing under an apple tree 1500 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,599 Speaker 1: that was swarming with worms, but there was one small 1501 01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,080 Speaker 1: apple up on top of that tree, would you even 1502 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,200 Speaker 1: waste your time with that? No, because it's a spoiled tree. 1503 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,320 Speaker 1: And that's the way justice works. We don't look at 1504 01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,960 Speaker 1: one thing that one person said and then build a 1505 01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,920 Speaker 1: case around that. We look at the entire case, and 1506 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,519 Speaker 1: we say, is their criminal activity going on here? And 1507 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,559 Speaker 1: one person having one meeting when they were drinking does 1508 01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,679 Speaker 1: not make a case, right. But it was more than that, Okay, 1509 01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,640 Speaker 1: there were people who had ties, no more three I 1510 01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,280 Speaker 1: had been watching for you know, three years. There were 1511 01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,320 Speaker 1: all of these things that happened in due time. It 1512 01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,680 Speaker 1: was fine James Coomy that got the Special Counsel of 1513 01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,799 Speaker 1: Prosecutor because the president reportedly is and the report asked 1514 01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,080 Speaker 1: Jim Comey to go easy on Michael Flynn, to go 1515 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,680 Speaker 1: easy on Michael Flynn, because Michael Flynn, and he was 1516 01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,720 Speaker 1: on tape, he was lying about his context with the 1517 01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,519 Speaker 1: Russian ambassador during the campaign, and I think maybe into 1518 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,559 Speaker 1: the transitions. So folks were worried that there was an act. 1519 01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,479 Speaker 1: There was an actor who was getting rid of people, 1520 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,679 Speaker 1: who wasn't investigating his friends because and so they thought 1521 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,920 Speaker 1: there might be something there. Turns out there was no 1522 01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,320 Speaker 1: connection between Russia and with you legs and the Trump campaign. 1523 01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,800 Speaker 1: They could not thread those dots. And I said to 1524 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,439 Speaker 1: anybody in media, anyone on the left who was still 1525 01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,840 Speaker 1: banging the drums, the facts are there. You have to 1526 01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,559 Speaker 1: live with that, Okay, we have to live with us, 1527 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,800 Speaker 1: and we have to go on. And I guess, all right, 1528 01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,880 Speaker 1: let me let me, let me go on. Then I'm 1529 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,240 Speaker 1: just kidding anyway, Thank you both. All Right, that's going 1530 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,280 Speaker 1: to wrap things up for today. See you tonight.