WEBVTT - Jeremy Bergh on Facing Mortality 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.480 Hello, and welcome to the Overland Gurl podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.959 Scott Brady, and I'm here with Jeremy Thornburgh. And Jeremy 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.320 is from al U kab He's been a long time friend, 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.560 a longtime member of the industry. We're going to talk 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.160 not only about South Africa. We're going to talk about 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.160 his adventures, talk a little bit about what we're seeing 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.439 come out of South Africa, but we're also going to 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.320 talk about Jeremy's a journey of health over the last 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.000 couple of years. We're all so grateful in the industry 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.040 that you're still with us, because I'm sure, I'm sure 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.879 every but thank you so much for being on that podcast. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.480 Really cool to be Actually, I've been waiting for moment 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:42.600 to tell the story. 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.559 Yeah, I mean, everybody's got an adventure, and. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.520 Life is an adventure and it's filled with so much uncertainty. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.160 So let's talk a little bit about what you've gone 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:52.479 through over the last couple of years. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:58.280 Ready we begin, Yeah, I'm straight to it, got little sketchy. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:58.600 Yeah, I'm sure. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.840 I think so many people have had, you know, worries 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.080 about family members, their own health, cancer, other diseases that 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.240 can all of a sudden show up in our life. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.280 And you have always been this pollar of health. You're 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.960 this strong South African adventurer. And then next thing, tell 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:18.280 us what. 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.679 Happened lying on the floor so quick as that the 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:22.640 factory manags is that through life? 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.840 So I lost my dad as a young boy, six 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:25.319 years old. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.520 He didn't have cancer, and you don't realize what a 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.199 hole like that your life makes. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.120 And then you look back and you're dad yourself. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.679 So it's interesting to carve your past in life without 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:36.959 those pusiness. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:38.600 I can jump onto this. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.400 But yeah, please, mom and their son. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.960 They protect inwards, they look after the kids inwards. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.480 And your dad he's got to push you out there. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.559 That love's no difference, but the method is a different. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.120 Yeah, and the son you have to teach him the 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.160 hard way and bump your head, cut the finger and 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.559 your mom's say put the knife away. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.640 You say, hey, if you shave it that way, it 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:02.280 will work better. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.279 Yeah. So those kind of things you lose argument. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.560 So I was a little derailed as a young kid. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.000 Didn't realize I had a couple of challenges anyway. I 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.840 have a bit of intentionally deficit disorder to join the 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.080 club and then of course I'm a. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.080 Little bit dyslexic. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.400 Nobody really caught on. I need to discovered that. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.560 My health challenges, actually start analyzing myself. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.160 I just went forward and I'll just like go for it. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.079 It really stop at school, had fun, but it was 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.080 usef came out of there feeling like a bit of 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:29.560 a loser. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.040 So I had something to prove. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.320 I'm a loser, just like that doesn't work from me 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.800 so and everyone thought it was but maybe that's your 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.560 own impression. Yeah, sure, So I went at it. I 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.440 went at it, started plumbing, went at that hard. It's 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:44.720 a stressful business. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.200 We make a mistake the half floods. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:53.760 Yeah, really good thing when I learned only responsibility. So 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.960 when you make a mistake, you don't disappear. You stand up, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.080 you face it and you take an eye. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.720 Yeah. It's always been my kind of mota. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.880 It's everything that we've done behind our brand work. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.640 My partners bring the same where that's how you build 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.320 your money, but comes a lot of pressure. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.399 Yeah, and we got into export. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:17.239 And wittinkly maybe, but we are European partners. Spart of 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.679 the special thing that I built that came off the 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.400 roof and so we went straight into the German space 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.880 first off, out of blocks, so you need to understand 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.919 plumber like structure, none of that. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:30.519 It was a lesson. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:31.240 Yeah. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.560 It slapped us in the face so red and you know. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:34.360 It hit Yeah. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.760 Sure, I'm like a creative, crazy person that wants to 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.840 build everything and find solution for everything. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.240 Then so we went into that and the pressure came. Yeah, 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.840 like I've never experienced on. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.800 The expectations of those customers because Germans are prolific travelers, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.440 travel around the world, and they have really high standards 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.160 of finish and product. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.800 They are actually they're actually remarkably good. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.880 Yeah, they were remarkably good with us. Our partner in 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.640 Europe is not German, and. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.680 He's crazy, he is. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.240 But the beautiful thing about that as he just pushed 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:12.720 us like we've never been pushed. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.680 Yeah, sure, yeah, no, just to do it better. So 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.320 he actually helped us to get to what we are today. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:24.440 And he still does shout the screen. But you need that, 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.800 you need people to encourage you. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.200 And but the pressure cake like we grew. We didn't 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.400 know what we were doing. We hadn't been in that space. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.559 It was easy when we were building really crazy custom stuff. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.719 I developed canopies, and that was going. But the export side, 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.760 the systems that are packing all the bolts that my 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.680 week ward end curled up in a. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.680 Chair from the brink of tears. Yeah sure, I mean 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.720 you don't realize what it's doing. You just you're just 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.039 like you fight it. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.000 You're just trying to get your ship together. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.320 That's the nature of being an entrepreneur. You can never 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:00.599 start pushing. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.520 As soon as you do, either your competition passes, you buy, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.440 or you lose that momentum. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.520 And unless you got a bunch of money in the bank, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.279 which none of us do. And I started put Yeah 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:11.760 me too. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:13.680 I was making nine hundred dollars a month in the 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.080 Air Force when I got out of the military. So 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.080 it's just like you got to just you got to 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.520 put all of yourself into it. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:26.800 That's all you're good yep. And and it's called responsibility. Yeah, 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.520 it's a beast thing. Yeah, taking ownership over everything you do. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:33.760 So I'm being killed. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.479 Up my ed just a volunteers continuously for like the 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:37.920 last before I went down. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.000 It was like I knew something had to break. I 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.240 just knew. Yeah, and we were must we were like 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:44.920 getting going. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.680 You know, I started going we were coming together. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.320 We had we had a lot going on, and I 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.880 still remember we had quite an interesting meeting coming by, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.320 and it looked like we might have an avesta popping 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.040 in and all that kind of thing that I. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.919 Said to worry work I used to start. I started 0:05:58.920 --> 0:05:59.520 getting these. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.279 Really grands, you know, and I could feel one coming. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.280 I said said, look, we let the people coming. Maybe 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.360 you could just find them check it. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.479 Then need lunch. I need to go and lie down. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.640 I think I got a migrant coming. So I went 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.920 in the office and that's the last thing I'm remembered. Man, 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.280 I've put myself down on a little camping mattress in 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.720 the office and wake up five days later in the hospital. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:20.119 Wow. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.720 Like family standing around the bed. I'm like, what's going on? 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:26.880 You had a seizure? 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.240 You blacked up. I'm like, oh wow. And they asked 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.440 me question. It's like what's your name right? And all that. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:38.279 Good's yeah, And then they broke the news to me 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.680 and they're like, you've got a brain show. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.599 You know, like your last being going in flat box. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.880 You know, you let not look mark. 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.800 Yourself because you just fight in the babble and then 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:50.720 you suddenly hear like. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:53.560 What the world jumps in there. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.640 Hard, you know, And so that had me incubated. They'd 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.640 come into my office as I was wandering around in 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:00.640 the days and I didn't know what was aren't going on. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.279 So they took me to my gip and my geep 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.160 took a look me and said, Elizabeth stretch, take you 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:05.239 mink in some rest. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.279 Then no, they already had a seizure. He put me 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.760 in my bed, Thank goodness. My son heard me make. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.880 A noise from the room and I'd bitten through my tongue, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:16.760 like right through. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.760 Wow. My eyes were running back and I was just 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:24.160 like yeah, out seizing. Yeah. So then they my wife 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:25.160 and I was heavy there. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.600 I was hundred and twelve kilos and a little bit 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:28.320 on the heavy side. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.800 Life was likely just eating in each crap you can 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.240 to keep yourself going. And so I wasn't in a 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.760 good place and they had to. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.280 Can't get me down the passage and into a car, 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:38.720 and I couldn't give me into They got me into 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:38.960 the car. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.400 My wife's car was in for affair. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:41.640 So they got me in the car in the back 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.360 seat and I was too long and. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:44.120 I was fighting. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.960 So they found in the hospital and this little can in 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:47.720 South Africa. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.000 Man keep anyway, So the security guard the security company 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:52.840 got the faster and they got me back into the 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.920 car in the front seat, and then they rushed me 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.600 down to the hospital. I got to the hospital and 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.000 I was thrashing, and they put me on one of 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.880 those gurneys and I was fighting. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.360 I had to order use off the ground. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:03.960 You didn't remember it. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.880 And then eventually they managed to pin me down and 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.000 stick a pipe on my throat, cutting me down. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:10.760 And every time they try to bring. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.120 Me out there to start going mad again. So so 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.320 then so then they said, okay, leave them there. Then said, well, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.840 let if I understand what's going on. Could I think 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.560 they slipped me into a cat's can. They could just 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.280 see there was something not cool, lot. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.920 Of pressure in the brain, and yeah, I woke. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.440 Up to hear that this was the use and I 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.880 started getting pneumonia like you do there with bugs in 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.839 the hospital. So too long out the pipe's on your throat, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.440 so that's it not And my wife was a medical 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.280 rep and she knew a lot of doctors, not any 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.760 usual just they said, just. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.400 Get him out of the hospital. Whatever you do, get 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:41.760 him out. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.160 You know, snow, God the bugs are around, and so 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.160 they brought me out and told me the news. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.640 I'm like, I'm in the day, it's like. And then 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.120 they said, look, we're going home tonight. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:53.360 We'll come and see you in the morning. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:54.880 When I left me there for the night and I lay, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.600 They're like trying to work this thing up. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:57.920 I didn't know what was going on. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.440 They had curtains around my bed and I got like 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.400 these fleets and them. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.080 I thought I was in a slab of cheese or something. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:03.760 I just didn't know. 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.920 Where I was and I was still trying to find 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.520 myself anyway, and then we went. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.839 The journey began, you know, the journey began, and. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.040 I don't meant it was a little bit scary, but 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.840 I was in the days and I fought everything in 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.360 my life. When it's afought everything, it's like, like, how 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.000 do we fix you know what we where? 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.160 It's from here. So we went in through the MRIs 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:22.640 and I South African's make a plan. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.280 Yeah, I mean I dessiccated my shoulder and the battle 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:26.959 so I was in agony and they put me in 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.920 a forty five minute MRI machine that never men with 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.679 your face came dead stall and. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.600 I lay in there for forty five minutes. I like, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.640 I'm in this tube. I'm half out of it. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.319 And I came out of there and they said, this 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.440 is a It's a glio, not a gly blast gear 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.040 of blast omer, which is the most aggressive brain you 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.319 can get. It's a slow brewer. But this challenge crosses 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.520 the center line of the brain, the tendrils running through 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.920 the brain and your eyes eye cords running through it, 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.120 and it sits straight up against your language center. It's 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:05.520 one of the most complicated surgeries that you can go through. Like, okay, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.760 how long have I got, you know? So we went 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.760 to see the on Colleges first and she said, look, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:16.080 I can give you with radiation maybe ten twelve years 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.560 without radiation, maybe eight. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:19.959 Oh. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.240 I seem to think it was a different conversation, but 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.880 my brain only had two things long, one short one. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.079 That's all I honed in on. And there we took 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.839 him and we looked at We spoke to. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.559 All the different specialists in the pros and they said, look, head's. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.200 Got to come off. We use electrodes and we're going 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:38.440 to try and cut this thing out. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.040 We're terrified about the language center because you'll won't be 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:49.880 able to speak, and and and so so I said, okay, okay, okay, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.559 I like to slow down, like let me just let 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.600 me just like process this. So we went to see 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.480 some specialists, and one of the guys there, thank goodness, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.640 he said, I'm a faithless I don't even know what 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.560 he meant, but he said, I wouldn't do anything. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.680 I'd wait and see. We don't even know what sort 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.840 of cancer it is. I'd wait and see. Says how 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.640 I'm gonna take that. I need to take better story 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:14.000 for now? 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.920 Yeah, like the first thing, you think, I got two 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.400 beautiful kids. I grew up with the other dad. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.160 And I was like, I cannot do that. I've got 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.400 to be there as much as I can. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.280 And if you're going to then I'd rather just take 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.480 it on freestyle pictures. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.800 If I'm going to be present, I want to be present. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:36.920 So it uh, it was. It was a journey, and 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.640 it's been a continuous journey and still the journey, but. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.800 In its own weird, strange way. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:44.840 It was the best thing that happened. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.640 Because what makes you say that, How did that change 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:49.760 your perspective on it? 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.600 You become present? 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.040 We said it about this a while back, about being present. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.000 I heard a brilliant thing the other day, the guys 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.360 thinking about an old man, and he said, there's yesterday, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:03.880 which is gone. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.920 Yeah, I look at that as a lesson. There's now, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.160 which is present. 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.079 I look at that it's beautiful, and then there's tomorrow, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:17.840 which we don't know what it is. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:19.480 So I look at that as an adventure. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:19.920 Yeah. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:21.440 So I like that. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.200 So you've got lessons, you got beauty. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.280 And you've got adventure. Yeah. Sure. And that's why how 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:27.920 we need to live. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.360 And every moment that you spend and you meet somebody 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.280 and you connect with somebody, I like to make a mark. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.960 Sure, to leave a mark, Yeah sure, I need to. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.080 I like to embrace. 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.320 I need to touch your hearts and see if. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.280 They can touch money. Yeah. And it's been that. It's 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:48.000 been beautiful. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:49.800 There's nothing more special. 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.000 And you've been able to, like at least your daughters. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.040 M's more involved with the business now, so you've been 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.040 able to travel with her more now and lessen. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.840 It's like the coupler's shoe what I always say, like 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.360 it's always broken. Yeah, everyone thinks I'm this massive adventure. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.120 If only I lived through your dreams. I love through 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:09.439 the exo, you. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:09.920 Know what I mean. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.360 I get the short privileges every now and again. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.520 I love the wilderness. Yeah, I love the wilderness. But 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.560 you can find it anywhere. Yeah, you don't have to 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.000 go too far. You can get it in the bottom 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.080 in your garden if you want to. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.360 You know that place that we went and had pizzas 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.360 overlook at the Southern Ocean. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.240 And that's a busy space. It was a very busiess 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.880 but it was beautiful, dude. It was beautiful. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.800 Like you're black out the rest yep, you turn the 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.760 phone off, ye, and your present built piece of heaven. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:41.959 Yeah, it was a piece of heaven for sure, in. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.720 Every corner if you look through it. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.360 And that's what I always say. We always think we 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:46.719 have to. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.480 Head out and go a long long way to find that. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.160 You can find it in your backyard if you clear 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.439 just about being there. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.920 Yeah, we were, you know, thirty minutes from your office 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.600 looking at out on the Southern Ocean. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:00.480 It was just beautiful. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.200 I have to say, I live in the most beautiful 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:03.400 city in the world, there's no question. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.520 Traveling and they're not many that come close, I would agree. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:09.200 In fact, it. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.520 You know, many times in the last couple of decades, 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.880 Cape Down has been rated as one of the most 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.920 beautiful cities in the world, and every time I go there, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.400 I am shocked with how incredible it is. I mean, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.680 the thing is the South Africa in general, and every 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.320 country has its challenges, no question, even even the United States. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.560 But if you're going to live anywhere in the world, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.960 to be able to live in a place that looks 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.800 like that, with the history that that has, the wildlife 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.560 that you have, the roads that you have, incredible, the 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:41.560 quality of life. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.840 I mean, it's it is exactly that. Yeah. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.640 So, so money's not a thing for me, obviously we 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.359 need it. Yeah, but that's why this whole prisonce. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.360 Thing for me is a weird thing. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.880 Yeah, And it's it's actually not about it definitely not 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.600 about the many works quite spartally important because our. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.800 Business now serves so many. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.600 Yeah sure, yeah and everywhere else. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:11.680 So it is a huge, huge responsibility. Six hundred plus. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.600 People, Okay, a lot of families count on you guys. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.680 And I mean you have no idea how much material 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.600 it moves through our business in order to be able 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.400 to deliver products around the world and in order for 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.880 that to be achieved, you have to take the serious. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.680 Yeah, you know, I cannot imagine the amount of aluminum 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:29.680 you guys move there. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.320 I don't like to talk about it, but at least 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.120 it's a recyclabable commodity, you know what I mean. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:34.640 It's like. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.480 We like we such a big consumers the world, and 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.600 then it's a big back there for me, and how. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:42.240 Do I find a balance. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.280 That's why I'm always trying. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.920 To see if I can help or give or share 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:45.360 my life. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.840 Treats me for it, like you can't afford to you that. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.560 I'm like, I don't care. It's like this is important, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.120 you know. That's always been part of my journey. So 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.280 like from the first moment I had a voice. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.640 I was trying to help Rhanos And so it's it's 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.840 just if I don't get back, can't take. Yeah, we're 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:07.880 taking all the time, and like nature nurture love it 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.360 like that's where those our roots. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.760 Man, you know, and we we've so lost. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.280 Our way and we see in your country has so 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.880 much to offer the world. I mean, every every time 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.960 that I go to Southern Africa, it changes me in 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:23.440 some way. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.240 It's just unbelievable. Where you live. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.400 It is, you know, sadly for me, we don't take 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:31.240 it seriously enough. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:31.560 We don't. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.320 We're not grateful enough. You know, humans really aren't. You know, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:40.480 it's so much that's true, that's true. You normalized whatever 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:41.160 is going on. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.680 You always think it could be better, when sometimes you 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.560 forget to look around and see how well where I live. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.480 Up the mountain I had. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.000 I mean, I'm right down near the bottom of Cape Town, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.760 like Cape Point up the hill. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:56.720 I mean, I look over the bay. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.360 I can settle up patio super bit. I put my 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.240 feet up, I look at the view. I just breathe 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.520 the air, and I'm like, man, lucky to be live, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.879 you know, incredible, and it's beautiful and brading me and 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.080 everyone's to kill them, and I'm like, no, man, leave 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:11.600 him alone. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.159