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Speaker 4: Tyler Hey, everybody have the Gun with.

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Speaker 2: What is pugnacious.

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Speaker 4: Zeroical word it means it means confrontational. You're a boxer fan, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah cool. Did not

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Speaker 4: Amology. Bro, I'm telling you man, it's so helpful.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a that's a fact.

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Speaker 3: I actually just did that because Maya was telling us

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Speaker 3: she wants to be a sociologist, and we were explaining

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Speaker 3: and she was like she she was like she.

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Speaker 2: Looked at us, like we were She was like all right, bro,

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Speaker 3: Right, we got to start obviously, And just so everyone knows,

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Speaker 3: we're recording this Wednesday morning. So if there's breaking, dudes

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Speaker 3: to developments on suspensions or anything like that, we don't

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Speaker 3: yet know them. But Tuesday night, Draymond Green went rock

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Speaker 3: on soccerm Robot with Nurkich hit him with the spinning, flailing,

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Speaker 2: Well, John, what would you? John? Is the fight guy?

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Speaker 2: What would you?

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Speaker 1: I'm not guy's punch, brother. That's not even just boxing.

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Speaker 1: That's not a regular punch.

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Speaker 2: I think you. I think you described it accurately back here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the flailing most important word in that, you know.

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Speaker 1: But for sure, you know, guys, obviously I mean full disclosure.

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Speaker 3: which I'm not going to pretend that doesn't color the

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Speaker 2: And you start to worry that this is what he's

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Speaker 3: And how do you feel about what this latest move

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Speaker 4: Like like, you don't need to lie to us anymore.

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Speaker 4: I this is part for the course of Traymond now.

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Speaker 3: Well, but and just I'm sorry John to jump in,

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Speaker 3: but it's what you just just described to me. Was

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Speaker 2: Up three out of fifteen games. Is crazy.

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Speaker 1: But we can't act like this hasn't always kind of

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Speaker 1: he got suspended from a game since for punching Lebron

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Speaker 1: the last twenty years in the Dick, the man in

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Speaker 1: the league's top penis bro.

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Speaker 4: He punched the dick of the league.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying for you real me?

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Speaker 1: Like so, but now the play like you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: A team in two years ago was in the finals.

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Speaker 1: We're nerkous to the point where like, is something wrong

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Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing so much of this now, more

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Speaker 1: and I think that's unfortunate. I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: for me, as somebody that you know, hated the Warriors

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Speaker 2: We'll ever forget that. It's stamped in my fucking brain,

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Speaker 1: But for people who aren't, like you know, who aren't

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Speaker 3: You know, I always think the Jay Leno zone, he's

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Speaker 3: can uses a punchline for hitting someone when you're not

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Speaker 3: really respect who always says losing is the cleanest mirror

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Speaker 3: there is, Like, yep, and you said it, John, Like

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Speaker 3: everyone on that team, you can see you can see

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Speaker 3: the frustration in Steve Kerr when he's being who he is,

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Speaker 3: which is an old white man complaining about how loud

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Speaker 3: certainly see the frustration from Klay Thompson, but he's handling

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Speaker 3: like you can see him boiling that he's getting benched

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Speaker 3: at the end of games, but he's handling it the

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Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a good point as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's a I think it's he needs to

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Speaker 3: he can do that, but like he has to sell

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Speaker 2: He said, Oh, I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't mean to punch him. It's like, well, there's not

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Speaker 3: a lot of other things you could have been meaning

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Speaker 3: to do, Bro, Like you know, I mean, like it's

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Speaker 3: hard for me to buy that, and he needs to

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Speaker 3: dig deep and sell a all right, man, I get it,

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Speaker 3: you know, like that's got to be coming because.

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Speaker 2: For them to have been the franchise in the league

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Speaker 2: for a decade and like this is the storyline now,

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Speaker 2: this is what people are talking about with the Warriors,

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Speaker 2: and that's not a good spot for anyone to be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's just wild how like

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Speaker 4: foreign bigs have been the ones on the end of

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Speaker 4: his wrath all the time, right, Like he kicked Steven

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Speaker 4: Adams and nuts. You know, he fucking stopped on some

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Speaker 4: American ship is this? Motherfucker? Like, what type of Olympics

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Speaker 4: motherfucker's some bonus chest. Right, it looked like the ship,

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Speaker 4: the ship he hit Nerk with, that was some some

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Speaker 4: disks ship, right, So that was some discus ship. The

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Speaker 4: motherfucking kicked the Stephen at It was like some karate ship.

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Speaker 4: The ship to Rudy. I don't think there's any Olympics

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Speaker 4: wrestling wrestling, ye, So yeah, Bro, it's like, I don't

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Speaker 4: know what type of you're making it more sympathetical to me.

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Speaker 3: You're making it more sympathetic to me because I don't

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Speaker 3: fuck with foreign b ex either, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And and and that, and the way he is, that's

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Speaker 1: But Bro, I just feel like it's just it's just

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You're a vet, Bro, You're

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Speaker 3: So the last thing I say about the press conference

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Speaker 2: You can't. You can't bullshit a bullshit it. Bro, You're

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Speaker 3: I told every lie you could think of, including this

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 3: Like anyway, h let's talk about There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be what they call like a I think

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Speaker 3: it's called a perpetual banner, where they'll be like an

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Speaker 3: on if.

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Speaker 2: They win it.

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Speaker 3: In the future, they'll add additional years to it. It's

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Speaker 2: But there was.

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Speaker 3: Still boy that was like custom made in a lab

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Speaker 3: The NBA put their weight behind this thing. They clearly

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Speaker 2: To a team winning this championship.

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Speaker 3: But what what did you guys think of the fact

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Speaker 4: You know, I feel like the one team that you

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Speaker 4: just don't get why people are in an uproar about this.

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Speaker 4: This is a new thing that the league is pushing.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: So, so I didn't get that shit like motherfuckers were

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Speaker 4: really saying Michael Jordan would not have cared. Michael Jordan

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Speaker 4: Do y'all know who the fuck Michael Jordan is? Like

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Speaker 4: that was just so wild to be But like I said, man,

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Speaker 4: You know, wins it first and that they posting, and

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Speaker 4: So it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that didn't watch

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Speaker 1: to be because MJ took everything, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: He wanted it all.

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Speaker 1: He didn't leave shit for fucking nobody. Bro, So of

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Speaker 1: course he's flexing that shit. Are you crazy saying he wouldn't,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, playoff style basketball. Maybe the first person that

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Speaker 1: I think they should do more than one of year.

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Speaker 1: Like Mike said, I feel after that championship game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not really even I haven't been read that interest

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Speaker 1: definitely celebrated. Why not makes it makes no sense. You

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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan was bothered for a month by losing a

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Speaker 3: and you're saying, Michael Jordan wouldn't have gone absolutely nuts

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Speaker 3: to be the first ever champion of a new initiative

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Speaker 3: by the fucking National Basketball Association. Kobe Bryant had a

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Speaker 3: dislocated finger popped back into place in practice because he

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Speaker 3: saying these two dudes qualified their competitiveness with HM, how

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Speaker 3: many decades of history is behind this championship, Like, give

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Speaker 3: me a fucking break, bro. And what drives me crazy

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Speaker 3: about it is this tournament was designed for these people.

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Speaker 3: just seating and placement, which we saw last year means

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Speaker 3: less in the playoffs than ever before. This tournament is

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Speaker 3: participation trophies like I don't get it, Bro, you.

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Speaker 2: Just cannot fucking please those people.

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Speaker 3: You know, Like if Lebron and everyone in the NBA, like.

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Speaker 2: Who gives a fuck about this? What would they have said?

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Speaker 3: They would have said the exact same ship, using the

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Speaker 2: You know what. It's just exhausting, Bro, They're so stupid.

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Speaker 4: Bro, It's it's just the the I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 2: That's all it is. That's all. That's exactly.

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Speaker 4: And you have when you reached the point where you

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Speaker 4: lie to yourself and say, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, because that is their whole

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Speaker 4: mama mentality. They were fucking voracious competitors, right Like fucking

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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan made up a story in his head about

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Speaker 4: motherfucking Leb Bradford Smith Bradford. Who the fuck is Leb Bradford?

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Speaker 4: He made up a story in his head because that

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Speaker 4: fan fiction about leb Bradford Smith, I promise you. I

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Speaker 4: mouth of the thought of going to Las Vegas and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, if you told him we're doing a commercial

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Speaker 3: about you making history and winning the first ever in

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Speaker 2: Would have been at the video shoot on time. Brother,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I dream.

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Speaker 4: You got to see I'll win the state that ship up, man,

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Speaker 4: y'all out, y'all, goddamn, I'm just realed to lebron head

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Speaker 4: and like, once you start writing fan fiction about you know,

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Speaker 4: just that's just totally opposed to who these dudes were

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Speaker 4: it's toner, you know, Come on.

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Speaker 1: Now, The reason I think these people had never watched

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Speaker 1: These are people to just I mean, that's that's why

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Speaker 2: I was arguing with Lebron haters. You feel what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So what did y'all think of Stephen A.

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Speaker 3: Smith's I actually had a conspiracy theory that Zion intentionally

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Speaker 3: mispronounced the word lackadaisical in order to distract from Stephen A.

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Speaker 4: That's the wild bro man a Steve and they gotta

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Speaker 4: Yes, like bro, like you know what I'm saying, but

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Speaker 1: He was more excited about him, like you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: know this other guy and Win be pulled up. You

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00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: feel me so like, yeah, I mean I think we

434
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 1: talk about it like that, like calling him like fat

435
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: bashing and eating the table.

436
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: That's crazy, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that's correct.

437
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 2: I salute I salute you both for being better man

438
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 2: than me.

439
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear Steven Smith talk about moncerned

440
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: for Zion Williams, and I want to hear y'all talk

441
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 3: about it, But Steven ain't Smith.

442
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 4: Bro.

443
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine how disingenuous that would come off

444
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 3: from him.

445
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 2: In particular. I don't know, bro.

446
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 4: A I'm gonna say is if Zion wants to clap

447
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 4: back that hairline, bro, like, that's the gift that keeps

448
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 4: on giving. You have a field day without my boy,

449
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 4: just put it out there.

450
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: I don't know Zion got that in him though, And

451
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: that's what makes it harder too, because he ain't got

452
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: that heat.

453
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 2: You know, he ain't gonna heal like you bullying you bullying?

454
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Steve ain't want to try ant like that.

455
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 4: I promise you that motherfucker nah.

456
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 3: Right right? He and them cheeks you hear me, I

457
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: do think like this is and I encounter this like

458
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 3: in my job, Like this is. One of the difficult

459
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: things about sports is that like conditioning and weight is

460
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: like a legitimate part. I mean, like for Zion, right,

461
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 3: like this is like one way or another, whatever happens

462
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 3: with his career, his struggles with his weight and everything,

463
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: that will be a part of like his on the

464
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 3: court career. So even if you're saying, like be as

465
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: respectful of people as possible, which I do obviously like

466
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: generally agree with, it is part of like it is

467
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: what CJ. McCollum, who I also don't think is like

468
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: a reckless person who's out there talking shit on guys.

469
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 2: He didn't call him fat bastard. No, the man will

470
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: eat the table.

471
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: Right, No, just can't wait for Zion to pull up

472
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: to the restaurant.

473
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: But that's someone.

474
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 3: Who knows him and his concern and like the Carnival

475
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: Barker aspect of the you know, of the like media

476
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: ecosystem or something. But like I you know, I I

477
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 3: remember we had a there's a women's volleyball coach, like

478
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: a legendary dude, multiple national championships, who is like very

479
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: very intense about his player's weight, and you know, it's

480
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 3: like I disagreed with it to some extent. I mean,

481
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: like they would do team weigh ins and all this

482
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. That stuff actually happens in college sports,

483
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: probably more than people are aware of. But like he said,

484
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 3: he's like, fat people can't jump. That's what he said

485
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 3: to me. He's like, fat people can't jump. We have

486
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 3: a jumping sport like fat people mean, that's that Like

487
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: that was his comment, And you're like, well, fuck, there

488
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: is like a certain physical like laws of physics reality.

489
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Speaker 1: I guess to what you're saying, Bro, to be a

490
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: professional athlete, you have to take care of your conditioning.

491
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: Zion has not figured out how to be a professional

492
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: athlete yet. He's playing like he was in high school.

493
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna just do me because I'm fucking Zion.

494
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: That doesn't work. You're playing eighty two fucking games with

495
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: the best athletes on the planet. Bro, you have to

496
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: take care of conditioning. I get that. But like when

497
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: you're calling the man fat bastard and saying get in

498
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: my fucking belly and it'll eat the table, you cross

499
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: the fucking line, duh.

500
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: And so like Yeah, you don't have.

501
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: To, you know, you know, pretend like you're concerned. I

502
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need that. I don't, you know, But don't

503
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: calling a man fat bastard, you know what I mean?

504
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: And say chefs can't wait till he pulls up to

505
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: the table.

506
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: That's all. That's where I met with it. That's what

507
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: I meant with it.

508
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 4: Steven and Stephen, they says, Zion's step Pops hit him up.

509
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 4: Say that step Pops called him and Stephen as just

510
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: doubled down that shit again. He's like, I don't apologize

511
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 4: anything I said.

512
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: Hey, I like to see that. Set that up, match Ron,

513
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: make a nigga stand on the words.

514
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: You feel me.

515
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: We are going through what I would refer to as

516
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: the second Renaissance. Italian people are getting their insanity moment

517
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: with Tommy DeVito, the quarterback of the New York Giants,

518
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: is now three and oh just a good Italian boy,

519
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Did y'all see the picture

520
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: of his agent that went around on Twitter. No, his

521
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: agent looks like I can't believe that.

522
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: His agent looks like a dick Tracy villain. Bro hold on,

523
00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: he like two face.

524
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 4: He looks like a caricature if you were like, what

525
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: does the agent look like of an Italian professional athlete?

526
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: Does he have the zoot suit? Yes?

527
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 4: Yes, really, you gotta see the picture.

528
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: He has a zoot suit, yo, he has.

529
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 4: He has the hat, He's got the hat, he got

530
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: the little motherfucker bro oh.

531
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: I love that.

532
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: So they have video after he scored a touchdown of

533
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 3: the agent and Tommy DeVito's dad kissing each other on

534
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: the cheek. The whole family section is doing the cache

535
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: fingers because that's his celebration. It's a special time, bros,

536
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: special time, you feel I love it. And then there

537
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: was some dude who's like a sports writer who's like

538
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: three quarters Irish at quarter Italian or something who got

539
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: on Twitter and was like, you know, why is every

540
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: other group you're not allowed to make fun of them,

541
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 3: but people can talk down to Italians however they want.

542
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: And the responses were just.

543
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: Dozens of Italians I'm sure, who are many of whom

544
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: are racist in real life, being.

545
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: Like, we don't give a fuck about shit talk. We're

546
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: gonna talk shit. People get shit.

547
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck about what you're talking about

548
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: right now, we don't give a fuck what they got

549
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: to say.

550
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: I love that I can get behind that.

551
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 4: Like harmful things are being said about Italians anyway, Like

552
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 4: like I feel like anti Italian sentiment died in like

553
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: the twenties and the war twenties, Like, like, what is

554
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 4: the offensive shit that is even being said about Italians?

555
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: I mean it's like it just depends on how seriously

556
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 3: you take yourself, right, bro. I mean, like, and this

557
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: is always the thing with like white people saying that, Like, oh,

558
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: there there's another round yesterday of people complaining about like

559
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: white people do this jokes.

560
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's like there's no harm

561
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: that is coming to you out of that. You know

562
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: what I mean.

563
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: If teachers are in a classroom saying white people are

564
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: bad people, I understand being upset about that. That's not

565
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: what's happening. People are making jokes that don't have consequences

566
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: on the other end.

567
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: To get hired because of that.

568
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Right, your mortgage rates are

569
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: not systemically going to be one percent.

570
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: Redlined, none of that. You feel me? Right? I go out.

571
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: I saw hilarious it said, I don't care if you're Italian,

572
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: just don't do it. Around me. That's cute if you're.

573
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: Not Italian in the privacy of your own home, but

574
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: being Italian in public, now you've gone too far.

575
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: But it's but it's you know, there are like, you know,

576
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: Italian anti defamation groups that like, you know, view anything

577
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: any mob thing is like this is negative stereotypes and

578
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: all the Yeah, Like I understand you talking about it

579
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: anti Italian sentiment, like you know that my grandpa like

580
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: lived that bro like he grew up in New Jersey,

581
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: Like they were like legitimately, if you were an Italian

582
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: dude and you got caught walking home from school in

583
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: an Irish neighborhood, you were gonna get the shit beat

584
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: out of you for being Italian.

585
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: So I understand him later in life, like I don't.

586
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 3: I wish you would not have spent so much time

587
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: watching Fox News, But I understand him being like you

588
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: can't tell me I don't know anything about discrimination, and

589
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 3: people are trying to break my fucking legs. But like

590
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: my you know, you also got to go to college

591
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 3: and buy a house in the suburbs, right, Like, it's

592
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: not the same thing as when you talk about actual

593
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: discrimination throughout history against other other groups of people, and

594
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: there is no no one is facing a single negative

595
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: consequence for being Italian in the world except for Mike

596
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: Tarico saying they get Italian. And even then, the only

597
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: negative consequence was just being made fun of for ten

598
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: minutes by the three of us.

599
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: So, sir, you look like that was the extent of

600
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 4: our anti rhetoric towards that man, Sir, you are brown

601
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: as shit. You look like a cash shoot. I did

602
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: not know that Irish and Italian folks had beef like that.

603
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: I did not know that the potatoes and the tomatoes

604
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 4: were going at it like that.

605
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: Weren't the Iris tomatoes?

606
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: Man?

607
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: Weren't the Iris the Italians before the Italians? Like the

608
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: hate was with the Iris and then they moved to

609
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: the Italians.

610
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: Is how well, and successfully institutionalized themselves in part through

611
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: like you know, racial solidarity, but also in part through

612
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: organized crime. So they successfully institutionalized themselves. But like, I mean,

613
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: that's the thing about America, and it is why white

614
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: people have been so infuriating to me as someone who

615
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: was aware of my family's history. Like Italians used to

616
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: get lynched in America, bro, Like there was a mass

617
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: hanging of Italians in I believe in New Orleans, Like

618
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm sure it was eighteen hundreds, you

619
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean, But but like got right, Yeah,

620
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it happened in seventy. But it's like,

621
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: but it's like that's the thing that's like, it feels

622
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: like in a in a humane society, that's the lesson

623
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: we would have learned. Is like maybe instead of like

624
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: putting everyone through a period of hate, maybe like what

625
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: if we tried not doing that to people, you know

626
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like it feels like that should be

627
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: the lesson. And instead the lesson that a ton of

628
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: Italians and Irish immigrants, second generation immigrants took was you know,

629
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: we went through it, the Mexicans are gonna get it

630
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: twice as bad. Like that's really you know, like like

631
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: that was something of my grandpa used to talk about,

632
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: like it broke his mom's heart when he learned English.

633
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: He was the first one of her kids that learned English,

634
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: and so he viewed that as a reason that like

635
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: Mexican immigrants to southern California should not ever speak Spanish.

636
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: Was like I had to go through this, so they

637
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: should have to go through it too, and my The

638
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: argument in response was always like if something major, mom cry,

639
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't you rather some one else's mom not cry about

640
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: the same thing? Like would that not obviously be signs

641
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: that were progressing as a society, you know what I mean?

642
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: But before the Great Migration, wasn't weren't the Irish of

643
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: people that were hated first like up north in the

644
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Northern States, and then the Italians came and they were hated,

645
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: and then the Niggas came, and everybody was like everybody

646
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: was like, fuck these niggas, Like is that is that

647
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: anybody but the niggas? Everybody just teamed up to jump

648
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: the niggas and box him into locations Like isn't that

649
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: how it was?

650
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: Though I think it was more regional than like, uh,

651
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: chronological like that, you know what I mean.

652
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Speaker 2: Where you were at theresh neighborhoods.

653
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know there was like no Italians, no

654
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: Irish signs or whatever, And yes, like that is the

655
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: lie of American whiteness. Like when people talk about being white,

656
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: it's like I've never identified with that because my heritage

657
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Speaker 3: that I'm aware of is Italian immigrants.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm connected to.

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Speaker 3: American whiteness is a concept created to allow Italians, that

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Speaker 3: Irish and everyone else to hate black people. Like those

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: people don't have anything in common. They got like they

662
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: came from.

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00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Completely one thing each other.

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Speaker 3: The one thing they can say is, well, we get

665
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: sunburned really easily. Let's hate these people.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

667
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: Like it's the there's no there's no like a logical

668
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: basis for it whatsoever. Shar and I went and saw

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Speaker 3: the new Godzilla movie Godzilla Minus one last night.

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Speaker 2: Have you all heard about that?

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00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: Yes, sir as far brother on the podcast recommending that

672
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: anyone who has the ability to go see that movie

673
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: goes and sees it.

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00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: It was like.

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00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: Legitimately heart wrenching, like scary at times. It was like

676
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: everything that you remember like a monster movie being as

677
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: a kid. It's set in post world to Japan, like

678
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: after you know, they were defeated World War two, and

679
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: like the movie is really about the struggle to survive

680
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: and re establish your identity after humiliation and.

681
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: All the deepest. So it was really really good.

682
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: The score was unbelievable and the action scenes, like there's

683
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: so much monster superhero type stuff out there that you

684
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: kind of feel, uh, and I say, this is a

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00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: fan of those movies. You kind of can feel a

686
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: little bit like numb to the big destruction scenes. But

687
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Speaker 3: there's a scene of Gozilla in the city that's like,

688
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: I don't know that I breathed for like three minutes.

689
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: Like Sear and I were like we you know, we

690
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: had our hand on each other's legs or whatever. We

691
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: were both like, oh, I.

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Speaker 3: Got I might be gouging your fire right now, Like,

693
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: let me chill the fuck out. Bro. It was really

694
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: really good. And uh, I John, I didn't fall asleep

695
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: in the movie.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the last movie I didn't fall

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00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: asleep in was, uh, What's wrong with Matthew McConaughey The

699
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Space when it was long as shit too Interstellar?

700
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: Interstellar, Bro, that's the.

701
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: Last nine or some shit, right, it's around then.

702
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: It was before you, John has not seen a movie

703
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: without falling sleep. It was so good. Yeah, it was

704
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: so good.

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Speaker 3: It was I mean, we you know, Vinnie was born

706
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen. I don't think I've seen a movie

707
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: in theater since then that I didn't fall asleep for

708
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Speaker 3: at least like two minutes of And I was yeah, yeah, yeah,

709
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: and we saw it on a weeknight too, and I

710
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: was still that locked in.

711
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: I fell asleep in like Bill Street, the James Baldwin

712
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and that shit was goodest good Bill shit.

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00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: I fell asleep in that for about a good that

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: was beautiful.

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: With fifteen minutes, I was mouth open, nigga, looking at

716
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: the fucking stars, you know what I'm saying. And I

717
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: woke up like this is great, like bro, great movies. Yeah,

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00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I falls have been anything, but yeah, that means a

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Speaker 1: lot though. That's crazy. I'm tap in for show. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to this week in Hippity Hop with

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Speaker 3: Dragonfly Jones, we do have to discuss a special nominee

722
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: for the Hater of the Decade. Someone dm this video

723
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: to Tyler and uh and said that they'll unsubscribe if

724
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: we don't talk about it.

725
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: You don't have to.

726
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: Try to take care of homies to talk about to

727
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: talk about the funniest shit that we've ever seen. There

728
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: was like a very typical back and forth between two

729
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: random people on Twitter and one of them created a

730
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: song that will live in infamy. I'm retweeting it on

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Speaker 3: the Jenkins and Jones Twitter account right now, So if

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00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: you haven't seen it, you can go. But gentlemen, why

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Speaker 3: don't you describe the song? And uh, what.

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00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: Occurred in the video?

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Speaker 4: That man? That man. Okay, So this is the funniest

736
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: quote I think I might ever seen my motherfucking life

737
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: on Twitter. But this dude tweeted some dude, right, he

738
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 4: made a video talking about how he ain't fuck with

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00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: gold Link. This is a rapper. I think he's a

740
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: rapper from from Pittsburgh. You know, Goldlink said that weird

741
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: shit about mac Miller when when mac Miller died about

742
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 4: how mac Miller like stole his old ideas and all

743
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: that shit.

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00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: It was just so much funny because mac Miller's, I mean,

745
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Golan stole a verse from Smino and it's well known

746
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: within the music business.

747
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, so shut the fuck up gold.

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00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, go Link a weirdo a little yeah, But anyway,

749
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: you know, the dude made a video talking about, you know,

750
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Speaker 4: how he ain't fucking go Link and the dude and

751
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: so the dude he replied to the dude who made

752
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: the video about how he ain't and was like, you

753
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: know what, this is how that looks when someone isn't

754
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: living their dreams or something like that, and this motherfucker

755
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: lift this dude up, like he made a video called

756
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: shut Up bone Nigga and he was just lighting his

757
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: ass up. He went to that man's Twitter bio and

758
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: fucking picked apart everything this man was doing with his

759
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: life that he listed in his bile clown. That man

760
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: call them old and bald. Look just look, and I

761
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 4: myself am an old bald podcaster. Like those shots were

762
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 4: coming directly. I mean, but that ship was still hilarious.

763
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: I've had rappers say worst shit about me, right, Rappers

764
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: have bi called me broke and say they gonna fuck

765
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Speaker 4: my girl. My whole life listening to him, so you know,

766
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 4: you can the ship like that rolls off your back.

767
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: But that ship was fucking hilarious, dog Like legitimately, my

768
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: chest was hurting the first time I saw that ship, though.

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Speaker 1: Bro calling somebody a bald nigga, even if like he

770
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: got a beard, you know what I mean?

771
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: All that shit you see that balances out.

772
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: But fire somebody up for their nose and being bald

773
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: out of ten every time, Bro, you can't miss.

774
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: And he just started off call him ball nigga like

775
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: seventeen times. The beginning set up Ball nigga. Bro, Yeah,

776
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: so funny, so funny man and also bro, like, don't

777
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: fuck with these kids.

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Speaker 1: You an old nigga. Bro, don't argue with these kids. Bro,

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: Hey they gonna they are better at the Internet. This

780
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: man made all he had the time. Bro, he made

781
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: a whole song and video to fire your ass up

782
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: into oblivion. You don't have a response, Bro. Somebody said

783
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: you have to get gold Link to tap in. Go

784
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Speaker 1: Link can't save you. It's over for you, Ball nigga.

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00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's over with Shut up nigga.

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00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: A really regular Twitter skirmish and end up with someone

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00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: destroying your entire life in a video that now has

788
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: three point one million views.

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00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 2: He was sky diving. He's a sky dive when I'm bored,

790
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: What do you do? I think this?

791
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm living my dream, Bond Nigga, like he

792
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: was just bro man crazy mutilated this man live on

793
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: the timeline.

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00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying?

795
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: People, what's crazy is he? He mutilated him so bad

796
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: people didn't even jump in. There are still so The

797
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: video that we're discussing has three point seven thousand rechtweets

798
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: fourteen hundred quote sweets. The tweet made of the bald

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Speaker 3: dude that he's making fun of only has twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two quote sweets.

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00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: People didn't even bother jumping in broy like the definitive

802
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: thing was said. I'm just gonna retweet that.

803
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: They and in the misses they just saying bald niggas

804
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: quoting bald nigga. Shut up, I thought anything, just quote

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00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: on me. There's nothing to add, bro, It's over with crazy.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to and maybe ten years from

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00:38:54,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: now that video will be the this weekend, let's get

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Speaker 3: to this week in hippie hop, Tyler take it away.

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00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right.

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Speaker 4: So in this week in Hippiie Hop, rapper Lil Wayne

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Speaker 4: released his classic album, The Carter two, an album that

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Speaker 4: is perhaps the pinnacle of perhaps the best second act

813
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: in rap history. While Weezy was no newcomer to the

814
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: rap game at the time, this was his fifth album.

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: After all, The car to two at the time felt

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00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: like a coronation of sorts. You see, in order to

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00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: have an in depth discussion on Weezy, we have to

818
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 4: realize that there are two distinct acts in his career

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Speaker 4: before the first Carter drop and after the first Carter drop.

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Speaker 4: So let's take it back to the genesis, the BC

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00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 4: before Carter era and work our way forward. So to

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Speaker 4: be very very clear, Weezy was always a star. Everybody

823
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 4: just hadn't caught up yet. From his very first appearances

824
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Speaker 4: on early Cash Money releases as a teenager, it was

825
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 4: quite clear that this kid was special. I want everyone

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Speaker 4: listening right now to pause this podcast, run to Apple

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Speaker 4: Music or Spotify or YouTube or wherever you stream your shit,

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Speaker 4: and go listen to Block Burner off of the Hot

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Speaker 4: Boys Get It How You Live album that was released

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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety seven. That's Lil Wayne's solo track on

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Speaker 4: that album. And he was fourteen years old when he

832
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 4: recorded that fourteen. Go listen to that and come back.

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00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: We'll wait. Okay, yeah, you heard that shit. That was

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Speaker 4: a fourteen year old. Like I said, Weezie always had it.

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Speaker 4: He always was a star. The star power of the charisma,

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Speaker 4: of the humor, and just the flat out incredible rapping

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Speaker 4: ability and distinct flow was always present in his music.

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Speaker 4: He has said that Missy was a huge influence on

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Speaker 4: his music making, and those dots connect quite clearly, as

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Speaker 4: you could see the melody in his flow, the humor,

841
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Speaker 4: the sound effects, how we just get in the beats

842
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: pocket because yes, Missy could wrap her ass off and

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Speaker 4: go crazy. It's all reminiscent of her. But above all else,

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Speaker 4: Wayne's early verses were fun. He probably has the most

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Speaker 4: entertaining verse on Cash Money's breakout album four hundred Degrees,

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Speaker 4: where he chuckles mid verse like the teenager he is

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Speaker 4: at the thought of how much richer he is and

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Speaker 4: the grown men listening to him on the richs. At

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Speaker 4: the moment during summer ninety nine, when Cash Money had

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00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: two monster singles in BG's Blank Blank and Juvenile's back

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Speaker 4: That Ass Up, Weezy steals the show on both. Late

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine, Weezy would go on to drop his

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Speaker 4: solo debut, The Block Is Hot and It Was Cool.

854
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: A year late, in two thousand, he drops his second

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Speaker 4: solo album, Lights Out and It Was all Right. He'd

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00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: go two years before dropping his third album, and in

857
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Speaker 4: that two year span from two thousand to two thousand

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Speaker 4: and two, we unfortunately solved the downfall of the Hot Boys.

859
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: We could probably do a whole pot on that, but

860
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 4: to keep it short and simple. Contract disputes unfortunate addictions

861
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 4: and legal problems in prison sentences led to the Hot Boys,

862
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: who were cash Money records entire talent based basically disbanding.

863
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: So cash Money was on the ropes, and Weezy, in

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Speaker 4: a very bold declaration in two thousand and two where

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Speaker 4: he wanted to convince us that the cash money flag

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Speaker 4: was still flying high in such a tumultuous time, decided

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Speaker 4: to name his next album five hundred Degrees, a very

868
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 4: clear play on Juvenile's four hundred Degrees. Now, Juvenile was

869
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: still on cash Money at the time, but kept his

870
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: distance and was going through the motions fulfill his contract

871
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: and got out of his deal after speaking publicly on

872
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: the funny money business that Birdman had pulled on him.

873
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: And even though five hundred degrees is a very blatant

874
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: title that leads litter to the imagination, Weezy left even

875
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 4: less up to interpretation with the jab that he threw

876
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: on his squad up freestyle on the Oh Boy Beat,

877
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 4: where he flat out told Juvi he ain't fuck with him.

878
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 4: So weeks before he was set to drop five hundred Degrees,

879
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: Weezy wanted to assure us that cash Money was stronger

880
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: than ever, and his next album was going to top

881
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: four hundred degrees, the greatest album that ever the label

882
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: ever produced, and well it didn't. Five hundred Degrees was

883
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: a dud, a very underwhelming album. This was by no

884
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: means the end of Cash Money, though Big Timer still

885
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: kept shit a float with hits like still Fly. Berdman

886
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: had a heater with what Happened to That Boy Off

887
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: His solo album, Juvie Swansong album for Cash Money gave

888
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: us the monster single slow Motion, But after that album,

889
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 4: Juvie was gone. Cash Money now just consisted a Birdman, Manny,

890
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: and Lil Wayne. It looked like those nineteen ninety nine

891
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: summers would probably never happen again for that label. So

892
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: let's fast forward from two thousand and two, the year

893
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 4: Wayne dropped five hundred Degrees, to two thousand and four,

894
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: the year Wane would drop the first carter. In the

895
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: span of those two years, something very unique happened that

896
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 4: changed for that forever, changed the landscape of rap, and

897
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 4: its name was fifty cent. Fifty cent pretty much single

898
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 4: handedly shifted the business model of rap. In two thousand

899
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 4: and four, if you wanted to be a rap superstar,

900
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: you needed to be a two sport athlete, so to speak.

901
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: You had to kill him on the mixtapes and you

902
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: had to kill him on the albums. You had to

903
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 4: be a legend in two games like Pee Wee Kirkland.

904
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 4: Gone were the days of labels creating artificial scarcity and

905
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 4: forbidding artists to put out free music. Now, if you

906
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: wanted to be a god in this rap shit, you

907
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 4: had to flood the streets and all the top dogs

908
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: Circle two thousand and four. We're doing that shit, Kanye Ti,

909
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: fifty G Unit, Dipset. There was even an up and

910
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: comer name Young Jez in two thousand and four who

911
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 4: was following that fifty cent blueprint and building his buzz

912
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: through classic mixtapes before dropping a fucking media of an album.

913
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: In two thousand and.

914
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: Five, like fifty dead shit, even JZ dropped the mixtape.

915
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: It was to promote his rebox because that dude will

916
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: never ever wrap for free. But still even whole recognized. Now,

917
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: I want to be clear, fifty E G Unit were

918
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: not the first rappers to do mixtapes. Plenty rapers would

919
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: drop a mixtape here and there are between albums, but

920
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: fifty turned that shit up to ten. He wasn't just

921
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: giving you one mixtape between albums, he was giving you

922
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 4: like three or four. There was a new business model

923
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 4: on wrap of flooding your music, and rappers had to

924
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: pretty much adapt overnight. However, Wheezy already had the mixtape

925
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 4: aspect of this whole model down. His squad up and

926
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: drought tapes went crazy and had a cult following. The

927
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: question for Wayne was never could he kill a mixhape?

928
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: Because he absolutely could? It was will he ever give

929
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 4: us an incredible album? And three albums worth of underwhelming

930
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: evidence had a lot of us thinking this dude was

931
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: probably just gonna be one of those incredible mixtape rappers

932
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: who could never really put a good album together. But

933
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: the Carter changed all that. It was an incredible album

934
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: where it finally finally came all together for Wheezy in

935
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: a major way. So this album right here is the

936
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: start of Wheezy's second act. Weezy could always wrap his

937
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 4: ass up, but there was a new swagger here. There's

938
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 4: a pappable sense of hunger, a pappable sense of urgency.

939
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: He tells us on the intro twenty seconds into the

940
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: album that he has his back against the wall and

941
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: his guns up. He makes it clear on songs like

942
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: miss My Dogs that he's thrown his label on his

943
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: back by his lonesome and no one has ever been

944
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 4: better suited for the task than him. He'd He's extremely

945
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: open on this album of his awareness of the loads

946
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: he has to carry now is the new man of

947
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 4: the cash Money house. But the sentiment here is not

948
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: someone with me shit. We lets us know throughout the

949
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 4: album that his scronias, shoulders were built for this moment.

950
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 4: He was born ready for this shit. You know that

951
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 4: moment in the two thousand finals when Shack fouled out

952
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: and Kobe closed that game out, And there's that moment

953
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: when Kobe looks over at his bench and does it,

954
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: don't worry, I got this motion the first carter, it

955
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 4: feels like an audio version of that moment, with Weezy

956
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: motioning to Baby and Mandy that he got this and

957
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: that the cash Money dynasty is not dying as long

958
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 4: as he has breath in his lungs. He also makes

959
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: it clear he doesn't just want to pass on the

960
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: back acknowledge him this as just simply a good rapper

961
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 4: for this piece of work. He's offering us. He wants

962
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 4: the crown as the best rapper, the crown that he

963
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 4: felt Jay Z left up for grabs after retiring a

964
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: year earlier, the best rapper alive since the best rapper retired.

965
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: He christened himself on Bring It Back, the lead single

966
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: from this pivotal album. So, after being an underground mixtape

967
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: legend from his squad up run, Weezy finally slays the

968
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 4: dragon of creating a great album with the first Carter,

969
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: an iconic album. It's in the rappers, It's in the rafters.

970
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: To this day, I don't think he's ever given us

971
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: anything harder than Birdman Junior. It's a Hall of Fame album, right,

972
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 4: So already the savvy mixtape veteran Wesley Weezy wisely decides

973
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 4: it's time to go to the mixtape big leagues now

974
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: and he hits up the mixtape Adam Silver or David

975
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: Stern since it was two thousand and five back then,

976
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: who is DJ Drama And he tells him it's time.

977
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: The result is a classic mixtape dedication and the man

978
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 4: floats all over that shit. So now the buzz is building.

979
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 4: There's kind of a collective, you know, hey, man, building

980
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: with rap fans right now about this guy. This dude

981
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 4: is really on some other shit. That Carter album wasn't

982
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: a flute. This is new, improved weezy we're hearing. So

983
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: now we finally get to the car To two, a

984
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: modern masterpiece. Manny Fresh, who have produced eighteen of the

985
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 4: twenty one tracks on the first Carter, has split with

986
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 4: Cash Money by this time for the same reasons Juvenile

987
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: did Funny Money Birdman shit again. Of course, so we

988
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: get a new slate of producers, a new sound. The

989
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: first beat we hear on the opening track, The Mob,

990
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: is from Heat Makers, who at the time were basically

991
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: the in house producers for dipset t Mix, the in

992
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 4: house producer for swath House is responsible for a lot

993
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 4: of classic records from Apoland and JG produces a handful

994
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: of tracks, including the fly In, fly Out interludes and

995
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: Hustler music. Wayne en lists relative newcomers The Runners and

996
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 4: cooland Dre as well. Robin Vick produces their collab on

997
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 4: this album. Also, so Carter two has the most expansive

998
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: sound any Little Wayne album that's had this far. We've

999
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: got Team Mix providing that Memphis shit. The Runners in

1000
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 4: cooland Dre providing that Florida shit, the Heat Makers providing

1001
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: that New York shit, and Robin Vick provided some white

1002
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: guy R and B dude shit. So Weezy touched all

1003
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: bases on this album, but above all else, When you

1004
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: utally the tracks from the Carter, from his dedication mixtape

1005
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 4: and Carter two, that was seventy three tracks that Weezy

1006
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 4: gave us in sixteen months, with very very few misses.

1007
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 4: A precedent had been set. Weezy was gonna flood the

1008
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: shit out of us, and the Weezy flooding model was

1009
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: going to be a model many rappers emulated, for better

1010
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 4: or words, for years to come. There's a strong case

1011
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: to be made that to do it yourself and do

1012
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 4: it a lot work, ethic that was so foundational to

1013
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: the Block era isn't as prevalent without Wheezy serving as

1014
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 4: the shining example of the spoils that come with successfully

1015
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 4: executing that strategy. On the first Carter album, he was

1016
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 4: letting us know he was coming for the throne. On

1017
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: the second Carter, he was asking what the fuck was

1018
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 4: taking everyone so long to bow to him now that

1019
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 4: he was comfortably there. So yeah, Carter two, man, Carter

1020
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 4: two was not Weezy super Nova. Thank you man, Thank

1021
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 4: you sir. See, yeah I love his rap shit, thank

1022
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: you man. But yeah, Carter two was like not Weezy

1023
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: super nova moment. I want to say. Carter three was right,

1024
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: like that's when he did a million you know first week.

1025
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: That was when he was his star was the brightest.

1026
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 4: The Carters were a bit of a slow burn the

1027
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: first Carter because the thing is like there was not

1028
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: a lot of anticipation for that. We had kind of

1029
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: like gave up on Weezy being giving us, you know,

1030
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: in any album that was you know, gonna hit. Like

1031
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 4: the first Carter album did like one hundred thousand first week, right,

1032
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: second Carter album, you know, we were after we heard

1033
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: how you know fire. The first Carter was after our

1034
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 4: fire dedication was it doubled that shit up and did

1035
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 4: like two hundred and forty thousand, right, still good numbers.

1036
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 4: But like I said, he wasn't the megastar that he

1037
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 4: was there. But Carter two like solidified him. It was like, bro,

1038
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 4: he is really really rapping now, like you know he

1039
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: is you know, expanding his horids is now that you know, man,

1040
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 4: isn't here. He's topping it on all types of beats,

1041
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 4: and it just it just felt like a christ and

1042
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 4: it felt like a coronation. Like Bro, this is like

1043
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 4: the start of like the best second act that we

1044
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 4: might have ever seen a rap. And I truly do

1045
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: believe that. I don't think that Wheeziest the greatest rapper ever.

1046
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: I don't think his decography is the greatest ever, But

1047
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: I think I don't think that there is ever a

1048
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: rapper who had a better run that I've seen from

1049
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 4: two thousand and four with the first Carter to two

1050
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: thousand and nine with no ceilings, that run that Wheezy had,

1051
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: it was just it was the hottest hand I ever

1052
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: saw a rap. Everything he touched was just fire right,

1053
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: and he worked his ass onle He was giving us

1054
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 4: like fifty sixty tracks a year and just not missing.

1055
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 4: Bro never saw anything like it.

1056
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: I remember, like people would talk about how Wayne only

1057
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: went to the club to play his music, you know

1058
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he wouldn't go out like other

1059
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: people did.

1060
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: He would stay.

1061
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: He would stay up all night making music, go to

1062
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: the strip club plays music and see how like like

1063
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: that was his that was his work. Ethic bro every

1064
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: day he was in the studio so dropping. I'm wondering

1065
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: what didn't get dropped? You know what I mean being

1066
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: that he would drop fifty sixty album songs and he's

1067
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: making a song like a song a.

1068
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: Day, You feel Me.

1069
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: But I remember where I was at when I heard

1070
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: go DJ you feel Me, because I feel like we

1071
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: all wanted Wayne to be like It wasn't like we

1072
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: were like rooting for him to do we know you

1073
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: got it in you.

1074
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: He loved.

1075
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: The mixtapes of the albums were done bro.

1076
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: Like like I mean for like exactly, but like for us,

1077
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: Like we was waiting for the Carters even though the

1078
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: other two were trash because we've been listening to them

1079
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: squad up mixtapes for I say, Dot downloaded.

1080
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: My think was line wire Back.

1081
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: Then, we was yeah, waiting two days the motherfucking download

1082
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: the album you feel you know what I'm saying.

1083
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: But it was worth it.

1084
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: Boss is in the Scott squad up all the time.

1085
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: He was playing that ship the CDs all the time.

1086
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: So when the Carter dropped, Okay, hopefully this is the

1087
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: one like he got that he got the chance to

1088
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: drop two trash like Basic ass albums on say trash

1089
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: basic ass albums for us, and we were still captaining

1090
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: because he was so good. And you brought up the

1091
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: fact that on the the the Hot Boys Ship, but like, dude,

1092
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: we Gotta BG was fire nigga, Like I thinkg was

1093
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: good enough to drop a album today.

1094
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: And I listened to it, you know what I mean,

1095
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, you know, you know what I'm saying,

1096
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: Like it was just super dude. Turk was Turk was

1097
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: cold and he was like the Turk was cold? You

1098
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: feel me?

1099
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: Like, like, dude, it was. And for me when we

1100
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: would listening to those albums in high school, we would

1101
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: always be talking about Wayne with the sound effects and

1102
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: all that, like, who is this look.

1103
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: Like we was?

1104
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: We was, We was reciting that shit, you know what

1105
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, even with how being as propin as

1106
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: it was, we were Wayne fans, you feel me? So

1107
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: when the carter came and he dropped the carter and

1108
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: I heard, hey go DJ, I was in the fucking gym.

1109
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I had my motherfucking fanny packed shit on with the

1110
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: motherfucking this this man shit, I'm looking around like yo,

1111
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm like tweaking, you know, hit my like the homies like, bro,

1112
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: this shit go crazy.

1113
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: You feel me?

1114
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: So I remember that that was Like for me, that

1115
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: was a moment where like he figured it out, he

1116
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: cracked the calls, you know what I mean? And I

1117
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: understand the carter too, like that's became a superstar. But

1118
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: for me, when he grabbed hold of the game and

1119
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: was like, Nigga, ain't nobody fucking with me? Was dedication too,

1120
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: dedication to Nigga that bro, he switched everything. There's no

1121
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: don all these mixtape rappers, you know, they people that

1122
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: blew up off mixtapes, I don't think that exists.

1123
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 2: I was when that happened.

1124
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: I was more interested in mixtapes, you know what I mean,

1125
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: than I was in actual album drops.

1126
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about the album dropped. You

1127
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: know the album you dropping.

1128
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: These mixtape niggas dropping were way better at the time,

1129
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: for like a ten year period, you know what I.

1130
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 2: Mean, dude. But the dedication to Nigga and Crazy Bro.

1131
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 4: He was sparking the blunt in between tracks like drama,

1132
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: it's too easy to give me another one, he wro Bro.

1133
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't the one way he dropped like three or

1134
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: four beats on the album or something. He was just

1135
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: like on the song and he was just going crazy

1136
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: like and then like, but I mean all the way

1137
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: them to Louisiana, all.

1138
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: Of that, you feel me?

1139
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: Where mixtapes were what I was playing. I wasn't playing

1140
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: nobody's album if it wasn't a Wayne mixtape, what fuck

1141
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: you mean? You know what I mean? Or a mixtape

1142
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: in general. But he sparked that mixtape, that ten year

1143
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: mixtape run. I know you talked about how fifty cent

1144
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: was the person that you know, really popularized it before

1145
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: country ass niggas in the South.

1146
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: It was Wayne that like you know, I was.

1147
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: I listened to a Little fifty you know, the Little

1148
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: fifty mixtape if you listen to it.

1149
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: But Wayne like Nigga bru.

1150
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: If you want playing Wayne and your Shitwayne mixtape in particular,

1151
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: what was you?

1152
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: What was you on? You know what I mean? It

1153
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: like spoke. It's kind of like I think.

1154
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: Mike talked about how h J Cole speaks for these kids,

1155
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're like, you might not

1156
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: necessarily like JA Cole. If you like J Cole, that

1157
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: means something to other kids. If you're a J Coo

1158
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: fan right, bro, if you ain't playing, Yeah, if you

1159
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: ain't playing Wayne, what the fuck is you own?

1160
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

1161
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: Like it like but yeah, bro, like he was that

1162
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: that ten year span was so special and I feel

1163
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: like he a lot of people or rappers got opportunities

1164
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: that maybe didn't have backing that could make a mixtape

1165
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: because we were taking mixtape seriously because of Wayne, you

1166
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

1167
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, he for sure changed the model. You

1168
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: know something interesting that I felt feel about fifty and Wayne,

1169
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: Like I feel like they're forever intertwined because of kind

1170
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: of how they both played a part in the mixtape.

1171
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: I also feel like something that benefited both of them

1172
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 4: very much and in their stars rising was they came

1173
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: along right at the time where regionalism was just was

1174
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 4: dying right and Thief with very very New York with

1175
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 4: his ship right, but he would rap with a Southern flow.

1176
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 4: He would wrap with a Southern twang like you know

1177
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 4: I'm from and why woo did but I used country

1178
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 4: Grandma right?

1179
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm.

1180
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 4: Saying, Like like he would he would you know, flip

1181
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 4: his ship southern style. He was, you know, rocking with

1182
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 4: West Coast beats right, you know, singing on songs like

1183
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 4: you know right, yeah, so so like fifty was like

1184
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 4: this very New York rapper who flowed Southern at times

1185
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: and who was on West Coast production. He was like

1186
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 4: all things to everybody, right, you know what I'm saying,

1187
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 4: Like my favorite I think my favorite fifty track ever

1188
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 4: is Roder Music and that ship is West Coast as

1189
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 4: Fun produced by Hot Tech out of Cincinnati.

1190
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: And I think that Wayne.

1191
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: Benefited in a way too, because we we we hadn't

1192
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 4: really heard a Southern rapper rap quite like Wayne was,

1193
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 4: you know from from the card arm right, like like

1194
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 4: there was a different swagger there. Of course, there's the

1195
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 4: rumors that Gilly wrote from I don't buy that ship

1196
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: for us.

1197
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: I ain't no fucking way and you don't know what

1198
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: the fucking yeah noo.

1199
00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 2: Gilly you get rapp.

1200
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 4: I love Gilly, right, but I'm not buying that. I'm

1201
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: not buying it. It was just it was just he

1202
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 4: and you know, he was very much aware of it,

1203
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: like like you know, he said shit on on on

1204
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 4: Carter too, where where you remember the skip weight where

1205
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 4: he said some motherfucker ran up on him with a

1206
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: camp court and wanting to battle him and shit, and

1207
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 4: he was like, look, man, if we ain't gonna do

1208
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: to swing, no money or none, He's like, I know

1209
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 4: y'all think I can't rap because I'm Southern or whatever.

1210
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 4: Right Like, he was very much aware of of kind

1211
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: of you know, the mos and shit that he was

1212
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 4: breaking and and something that was always like kind of

1213
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 4: stuck out to me that was not Southern of him

1214
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 4: was how often he used sports references, right like that

1215
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 4: was just something the Southern rappers didn't do. You didn't

1216
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 4: hear Outcasts and Trick Daddy and scarfaceing UGK making sports

1217
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 4: references right like that was like Jadakiss and fab shit,

1218
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like like that was very

1219
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: up top of him, and I loved it, right Like,

1220
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite things about him is his

1221
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 4: sports references. So I feel like, you know, weezy and

1222
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: he was very new once too. I'm not at all

1223
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 4: saying he switched up. He was new Worleans as fuck,

1224
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: but he he had a swagger that was kind of

1225
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 4: like the swagger that the NYC mixtape guys had.

1226
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: He held his nuts like NYC niggas, do you know

1227
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying like, Bro, I mean coming out saying

1228
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: I'm the best rapper since the best rapper retired. Bro,

1229
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: That's an enormous statement from a Southern dude, you know

1230
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I won't say he's the best

1231
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: rapper ever, but I would say during that time period.

1232
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: There wasn't a rapper better.

1233
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like that motherfucker was the

1234
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: coldest nigga doing it, bro, And couldn't nobody hang with him?

1235
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1236
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: If Wayne wasn't on your shit, your shit wasn't cracking, bro.

1237
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: And that's just what it was at.

1238
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: The time period, flat out.

1239
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: And also, Bro, like there's so many and Wayne's sons

1240
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 4: right now, there's so many of his sons out here

1241
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 4: right now. Like like you know how they say like

1242
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 4: life emerged from the primordial oos and shit, I always

1243
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: kind of said there's there was like a promethasonial oos

1244
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: that a lot of rappers you know, involved from, because

1245
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: you know, when we got on his his slurred you know, syrapy,

1246
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 4: no pun intended flow when you got on that lean

1247
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 4: right like, Bro, that's where Young Thug comes from. That's

1248
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: where Playboy Cardi comes from. That's where little Oozzi comes from,

1249
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like Prostitute Flames that dropped

1250
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 4: in two thousand, that's the first Young Doug song ever.

1251
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 4: If y'all want to hit to that, go YouTube that ship.

1252
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was just it was just an incredible run.

1253
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 4: Like I said, I think it's the best one I've

1254
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 4: ever seen a rap, and it was very influential. Was

1255
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: shifted the business model, and like I said, he's still

1256
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 4: got some sons out here who are very much you know,

1257
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 4: kind of got their whole swag from that running.

1258
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: Yet the only comment I would make is, uh, life

1259
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: evolved out of the primordial ooze into more and more

1260
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: complex organisms, and we may be evolving backwards into single

1261
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: celled organisms, uh landscape, But yeah that could though, it

1262
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: could be but yeah, it could just be me be

1263
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: an old dude for sure.

1264
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: That was awesome. Thank you so much to everyone for listening.

1265
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: That's our time for today.

1266
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: We will be back with a really special fun interview

1267
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: episode on Saturday, and then our next regular.

1268
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: Episode on Monday. We will see y'all them Bye bye.

1269
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 4: The volume