WEBVTT - Good vibes only for the White Sox | Episode 112 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:09.400 Socks on thirty fifth is next doors open on the left? 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.360 What is going on? White Sox fans. I think we're live. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:20.000 Welcome to a live midweek kind of preview, pope pre 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.800 show or pregame episode, hopefully pregame episode of the Socks 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.600 on thirty fifth podcast. Duke is out today. I am 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.640 your host Jordan Zowski for the day. Nick Gower as 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.880 always good to see you and filling in for Duke 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:37.320 Brett Hafner. Gentlemen, this is a Good Vibes Only podcast, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.199 and I want to make sure of that from the 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.760 start to hammer that home. I know both of you 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.720 were at the game on Tuesday, Brad Montgomery's debut. That 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.240 kind of sparked the idea for this pregame show before 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.640 the series finale. Good Vibes Only, you guys talk about 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.360 your experience that day. I know that kind of helps 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.640 in the question of how you're doing, which I assume 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:58.320 is pretty good. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.400 Yeah, I mean for sure, And that's like you said, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.840 that's kind of what inspired this idea. I just want 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.200 to talk about this team right now. And I know 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.880 we do a podcast every Sunday, or we recorded every Sunday, 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.080 I should say, but it's like, when the vibes are 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.440 this good, I want to talk about them more than 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.200 just once a week. So that's very, very different from 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.200 the last few years. But yeah, the game Tuesday was awesome. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.240 I mean one of those games where and I never 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.600 really felt like we were going to win until the 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.080 game ended, honestly, kind of similar not in terms of 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.640 the score or anything, kind of similar vibes to the 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.640 Edgar Carroll walk off against the Cubs and another game 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.120 that I was at this year where it's like two 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:37.960 you know, walk off home Rouns in the bottom of 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.959 the tenth after you lost the lead. So yeah, I 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.120 just can't say enough about how energetic the fan base 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.280 is right now and just how into the games people are. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.280 Like one of one of my complaints going to games 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.840 from the more you know down years is that everyone's 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.920 like scrolling through Instagram rules or whatever, and I no 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.000 one's really paying attention. That's not at all the case anymore, 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.280 at least where I'm sitting, like everyone just locked in 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.760 all the time. And yeah, it just feels really good 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.559 to have a winning, a first place team. But Brett, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.680 I know you were there as well obviously, so what 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.480 were your takeaways. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.600 You know, we're a good Vibeses only podcast today, but 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.680 for the first seven or eight innings of that game, 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.000 I was just how are we in this game? I 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.880 was so frustrated, just because, as long talked about on Twitter, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.119 you know, there were some questionable decisions blah blah blah 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.120 blah blah. But it was just so cool to see 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.600 the fan response to Brade Montgomery. Honestly, every time he 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.320 came up to the plate, like it was one of 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.880 those things where again there is energy that has not 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.920 been felt in many years, and hey, like fans were 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.400 energetic for him just beyond the first at bat. I've 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.200 seen many debuts over the last few years where they 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.200 get a nice little clap for the first at bat 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.880 and then the rest of the game they're just a 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.959 normal White Sox player. But no, it was a special night. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.480 And from my vantage point, Nick, you can tell me 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.560 how you were from yours mine. I was sitting in 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.720 the upper deck kind of behind home plate. I thought 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.680 his home run was a line out the entire way. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.240 Yeah, I did not. It just totally got me off guard. 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.720 Me too, I thought it was best case scenario, would 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.040 double off the wall, But I agree. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:09.560 I thought it was. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.440 I thought it wasn't hit hard enough honesty to be 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:12.960 a home run. I don't know if you've noticed this, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.560 but they used to up until this season, they would 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.560 have EXE will say a launch angle instantaneously when contact 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.679 is made in center field. Now they don't put it 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.840 up until after the play is over, which is annoying 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.680 because I would use that as a crutch, like I 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.120 would know immediately if it was going to be a 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.799 home run or like a Warden Trive fly ball. Now 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.959 I had I've lost that superpower and I'm just guessing 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:33.680 with everyone else. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:34.960 But no, I was surprised. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.960 Yeah, me and some others up in the section that 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.800 I was sitting in, we were like, that couldn't have 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.240 been that hard off the bat, right, And that's something 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.760 that I actually ran into our fellow coworker Tim Moran 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.240 on the red line afterwards, and we were like, there's 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.720 no way that was above like ninety five and I 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.280 think it was ninety eight, let alone. 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.040 But you know, I thought it was. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.720 I thought it was a line drive the whole time. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.800 Thought it was just gonna be okay, nice piece of hitting, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.520 but it gets caught for an out, but left Fielder 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.360 kept running. I'm like, no way, And it didn't really 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.400 kind of grasp me the reality of what had happened 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.080 until kind of looking at Twitter afterwards and seeing how 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.680 historic that game was, and so Nick, myself and Tim 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.320 we were all there. This guy Jordan, he didn't find 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.720 himself there, but you know what, that's fine. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.360 He was gabbing about it on Twitter. Though. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.800 Yes, I will always talk about everything. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:27.039 No. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.920 What people don't understand is I am doing this on purpose. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.360 I am doing you all a favor when it comes 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:37.040 to player debuts because I was at every single one 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.720 of the ones for the last rebuild. Monkata sees Copek. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.000 We see how that worked out. So I am doing 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.640 everybody a favor. I'm staying far away from the debuts. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.200 That might change depending on one thing we will talk 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.200 about when it comes to this weekend's rotation, because I 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.560 will be there Friday Saturday, so that might change. But 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.720 I have been staying far away from all of these 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.040 debut for a good reason. I am doing you all 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.400 a favor. So you're welcome, is what I'm trying to 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:04.800 get at. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.880 I mean, I guess all all that, but I don't 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.559 know if I buy it if we're being honest. But whatever, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:14.400 here's what I will say. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.680 Now, go ahead, you can pile on Brett. Go ahead. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.880 If we get a certain picture who gets called up 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.800 and you're there and he stinks it all up. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.440 I think we know where to point our fingers to. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.960 Yeah, like at a certain point I tried to tell you, guys, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.560 I guess maybe let's start there before we get too 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.919 far in, though, I want to make sure I do 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.160 the host duties. Be sure to subscribe to the Sacks 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:43.200 on thirty fifth podcast Apple, Spotify, YouTube, subscribe to us 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:44.800 on YouTube. We're really trying to grow it there, so 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.560 please continue to look out for stuff there anywhere you 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.480 get your podcasts. Also following us on social media Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.960 at socks on thirty fifth and socks on thirty fifth 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.760 dot Com is the website, so make sure to follow 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.680 our stuff there as well. I see people in the 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.840 chat who are saying they were season ticket holders during 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.680 the Moncata era two. So much heartbreak, you see, I'm 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:09.400 trying to save you from that. Let's start with the 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.719 series that is coming after today, since we still don't 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.360 know if they're actually going to play tonight's game. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.040 Against Braves the Dodgers. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.000 Based on how things are shaping up, Sean Berk Eric 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:24.520 Fetti should probably be the first two that we expect 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.440 to pitch during the series. There is an open spot 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.960 on Saturday. Will Benable was very transparent before today's game. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.360 We don't know who is going to be there. A 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.440 bunch of internal option. Might be a bullpen date, it 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:39.880 might be the aforementioned Hagen Smith. I don't know how 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.760 you guys feel about that. I know Hagen Smith has 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.800 become a very divisive topic on White Sox Twitter. We 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.479 know there have been some recent armslat changes. Again, I 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.760 guess I'll start with that. I think we all kind 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.800 of feel generally good about him. But do the armslat 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.560 changes do the results kind of do anything for you? 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:00.120 There? 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.440 Are you just kind of like, I just want to 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.320 see him at this point and then we can make 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.520 those judgments. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.080 I mean, I will say that I really enjoy that 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.520 I've seen the strikeout numbers kind of tick up a 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.520 little bit recently. You know, we're still seeing lack of 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.120 getting deep into games. Some of that, you know, with 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.880 pitch counts are by design, but ultimately we're not seeing 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.840 you know, six or seven inning outings at this point. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.040 I will say, though, like my kind of thing when 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.000 it comes to Hagen Smith is that like kind of 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.440 when is the right time. They've been aggressive in promoting 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.200 all these other prospects throughout the entire year, and it's cool. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.160 We've had twelve guys come already. Hagan Smith is probably 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.120 gonna end up being the thirteenth. I don't know what 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:39.160 at this point. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.320 What what do you plan on saving him for? 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.720 I mean, I know that we're starting to get health 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.920 back of guys like Shane Smith and Tanner McDougal, but 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.920 you know, it kind of seems like there's an opportunity 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.320 with a guy like Noah Schultz on the IL. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.480 So I think that I saw someone tweet about this earlier. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.920 You're really throwing him to the wolves here against the Dodgers, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.800 if that's what they decide to do. But it's a 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.720 great test to see if he can still be putting 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:05.960 hitters away at the end of the day. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.840 Yeah, I agree that There are really two thoughts I 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.800 have on this. The first one is that in a 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.440 recent I Think with MLB Network interview, Chris Ketz shared 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.440 some thoughts on the strategy behind when he promotes guys 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.280 like Riku Neshida being promoted on that Monday Memorial Day 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.400 Day game against the Twins after a long road trip 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.880 that was intentional to try to inject energy in the team. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.520 Brandon Montgomery one kind of similar, you know, coming into 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.760 a really tough stretch. So I wouldn't be surprised if 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.520 Hagen Smith gets promoted for the Dodgers series, just because 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.920 it is a really tough stretch and you know, having 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.800 someone that's that, you know, electric when he's right on 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.440 the mound to watch, could you know, inject more energy 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:43.960 into the team. So I like it from that point 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.240 of view, and also like, yeah, it would be throwing 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.000 him to the Wolves in terms of the Dodgers being 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.480 a great lineup, But Hagen Smith is the kind of 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.000 picture of where you could debut him against the Dodgers, 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:54.840 or you could debut him against like, you know, an 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.160 al Central team out the Twins or Royals or somebody. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.079 And I'm not sure if the stat line would be 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.800 that different, solely because I feel like his problem, if 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.520 he has an any problem in his debut, it is 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.120 going to be that he'll walk like six batters, and 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:07.960 I think that would happen no matter who he's facing. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.040 But he's the kind of picture whose stuff is good enough. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.800 And even if he walks six batters, he could be 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.120 like Blake Snell and you know, only a lot one 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.360 or one or two runs still strike out seven plus. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.400 So I kind of feel like he's a little bit 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.160 insulated from the opponent just because of the type of 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.440 picture he is and his his command issues in a 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.240 way kind of neutralize the fact that it's a tough lineup. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.240 But that being said, now that I'm saying that, so 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.560 we get called up against the Daughters and give up 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:32.360 like four home runs. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:33.679 So, Jordan, what do you think. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.160 My thing is too? 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.240 With always the armslots and lowering it. You know where 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.400 I'm kind of going to go with this. I hate 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.360 that the lower armslot kind of leads to an east 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.640 west profile more, meaning it's like, hey, you're working on 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.760 one plane consistently. I haven't seen enough pitch metric data 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.600 on it. Baseball Savon kind of has some, but not 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.120 a ton. I'd like to see it at the big 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:58.720 league level before I start making any judgments on that. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.400 It's something I at least think about from that standpoint. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.640 That being said, I do agree, like at a certain point, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:05.920 and it does kind of get into a question that 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.160 a fan has that we'll talk through later. At a 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.880 certain point, you kind of have to see what guy's got, right, Like, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.080 you can only protect him for so long. We talked 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.240 about the need to continue to churn through this roster 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:22.559 because you don't have complete studs on either in your 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.160 rotation or in your bullpen that are just mainstays outside 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.600 of a few so you have to continue to churn 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:32.280 and move it and try different things. And my opinion 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.880 on it is Hagen Smith becomes that next iteration of it, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:38.160 and I don't know if it sticks. I don't know 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.040 if maybe he's a three inning guy and it's a 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:44.080 piggyback type situation. I don't know, I think. I mean, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:45.400 I don't know how you guys feel about this way. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.280 I feel like they should be open to a variety 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.200 of different things and maybe they don't have to dead 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.760 set him on a starter right away if they feel like, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.680 you know, there's maybe still a gap between where they 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.000 want him to be and where he is. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.480 Yeah, I mean, and they've shown the flexibility with other 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.640 pitchers you know, on the staff to give him a 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.760 variety of different roles, and I think that kind of 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.920 applying that philosophy towards Hagan Smith might not. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:13.200 Be a bad idea. So I feel like at this point, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:13.880 why not. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.880 Yeah, now I'm on the same page. I mean, they 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.800 called up a Joe Rock the other day. He hasn't pitched, 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.800 I don't think, but he's another guy. I mean, I 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.599 know they're both lefties, so it might negate it a 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.640 little bit, but he's another guy who can give you, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.640 you know, two to four innings if you want to, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.000 So they could be creative about it. They could even 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.000 I mean probably not Sandling because they just sent him down, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.160 but they could even bring up somebody else from TRIPAA 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.400 if they wanted to. You have a couple pretty fungible 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.920 relievers in the Major League bullpen right now. I Chris 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.439 Murphy for example, where you could probably send him down 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.760 and don't have to worry about it too much. So yeah, 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:48.800 they can be creative for sure. I mean, I think 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.679 it would be kind of cool a month or two 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.520 from now if Hagen Smith and Tanner McDougal would piggyback 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.400 off each other in the Majors throughly three or four 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.160 innings each that kind of thing. But we're obviously he's 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.760 not healthy right now. Doogal so well to wait for that, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.559 But I totally agree being open to different kinds of 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.760 roles with the picture like Smith, you almost kind of 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.800 have to be because if you plan on him going 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.360 six innings and he has control issues in the second 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:12.640 inning and can't get out of it, you need to 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:13.920 have that time be either way. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.680 So let me ask this because I think it's a 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.079 good natural transition to where I maybe want to go 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.920 with kind of continuing our conversation today. You mentioned a 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.200 McDougal and kind of the injury idea behind it and 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.280 trying to still ease guys back in but also get 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.280 value out of all of them. Another big reason we're 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.920 doing this podcast today is because the White Socks are 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.440 in sole possession of first place and at the June eleventh, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.440 and I don't think any of us expected that. So 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.400 take a moment to really think about what I just said. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.080 From there, though, yes, what sixty seven games or so 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.679 win of the season. League's taking notice. There's a lot 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.560 of talk about trade deadline stuff. Again, we'll get into 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.800 that with some of the fan comments. If you're just 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.240 joining throw your comments in the chat or your questions 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.160 in the chat, and we'll try to get to as 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:02.520 many of those as we can at the end of 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.360 the show. Regardless, Fangrafts is currently having the White Sox 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.760 sit at a twenty five percent chance to. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.760 Make the playoffs. How do you feel about that number? 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:12.280 Too high? 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:12.880 Too low? 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.880 I mean, there's the obvious impact of Mooney, Teal Schultz, McDougall, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.760 maybe Hagen Smith, maybe Shane Smith. I don't know, Like 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:25.040 there's a lot of unknown still and again we're kind 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.600 of in the middle of the gauntlet of Hey, you're 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.480 at least taking two of three from the Braves. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.680 Then you've got the Dodgers and the Yankees. Like where 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.240 does that number feel to you? Too high? Too low? 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:34.880 Just right? 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.199 Like where where let's check the vibes at a certain 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:38.720 point here? 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.200 Yeah, I mean to me, it feels too low. Like 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:45.560 if you put a gun to my head right now, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:46.880 I would probably say they were going to make the 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.480 playoffs if I'm just being honest. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.400 Really, I've talked about this. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.760 That is kind of wild. I don't time, I don't 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.199 mean to catch off. I don't mean to cutch off. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.360 Go ahead, No, I mean other I read lot. I've 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:01.680 said this before. I read a lot of what other. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.480 Teams say about us just because I'm curious, and they 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.120 all think, well, look at that rotation, like Davis Martin 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.240 seems like he might be fine, but the wheels are 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:10.800 about to fall off there. And that might be true. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.080 But you kind of just said in Jordan, there are 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:16.240 so many options coming up soon between Smith, McDougall, maybe 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.440 Shane Smith even becomes an option later in the second half. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.920 And then you have guys like Mason Adams Drew Thorpe 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.400 that are currently working back from injury that could also 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.480 play a factors. So, and then there's the trade market, right. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.320 So my opinion is that the offense is good enough 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.880 that it can withstand, you know, less than average part 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.280 in starting pitching, and the bullpen I think is underrated 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.600 because Grant Taylor, Sean Newcombe, Ryan Hudson, and st Anthony 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.720 Domanga is less so Domanga's but those first three guys 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.360 especially are all very dependable guys out of the bullpen, 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.960 and I don't really think there's that much floopy stuff 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.480 going on with their numbers that would lead me to 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:51.920 believe that they're going to fall off a cliff or 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.360 anything like that. So the Fangrafts thing, I've looked into 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.760 their projections and they basically are projecting that every single 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.280 hitter on the White Sox is going to vast regress 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.280 and have like a WRC plus below one hundred, even 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.680 Vargas and Montgomery like like between now and the rest 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.360 of the season. They're basically saying they're all going to 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.200 be blow outrig hitters. I just don't think that's going 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.240 to happen. I mean, maybe I'm drinking too much kool Aid, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.720 but I'm not saying this team's going to win the 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.720 division and get a first run buy or whatever they're 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.920 in line to do right now. But I think it 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.360 very well could be a playoff team, especially with Tila 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.440 Murakami back. Ideally within the next you know, three to 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.920 four weeks. The LINEU wouldn't really have a single hole 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.000 in it at that point. So I'm, yeah, I'm drinking 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.720 the kolid. I think twenty five is too low. I'd 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.040 probably say like fifty to sixty if I had to 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:35.760 put a number on it. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.320 It's so hard to write with the projections piece of it, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.800 because it's like, yes, these projections are built off of, Hey, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.280 what is fan refs think these players are going to do? 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.120 And like, I get it, there's been some inconsistency with Vargas' career. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.960 You don't know what Murakami is going to be long term, 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.880 Like you had a couple good months of data, but 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.760 you don't have long term data to base it off of. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.800 And that's why it's so hard to to take that 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.560 number and feel any certain way about it, because you're 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:05.720 you've got a team that has twelve guys making their 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.960 major league debuts. There's not a lot of data debase 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.680 it all off of. And that's whereas like I don't 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.280 know what to say, Brett, what say you? 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:16.840 Well, I happen to. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.600 Be looking at Baseball Reference earlier and they have some 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.200 really interesting odds for us. They have sixty one percent 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.880 to have stocks to make the playoffs. And here's the 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.880 deeper one that kind of blew my mind. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:29.160 A little bit. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.480 They're given the Socks a thirteen percent chance to make 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.200 the league championship series. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:37.080 That feels high. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.680 That feels that feels hid high. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.480 Okay, But honestly, I think between where fangrafts and kind 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.800 of where like Nick and Baseball Reference, it I feel 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.200 like I'm kind of in the middle of those two, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.400 so but kind of like in like the thirty five 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.880 forty percent. You know, it's just I find myself really 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.560 going back and forth here between the fact that we're 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.560 performing without probably our two two better hitters on the 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.119 team in Kyle Teal and Murakami. Right now, like we 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.320 are finding ways to win ball games. We're scoring, We're 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.720 scoring at were you know, we're I think we were 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.680 scoring like four point something runs before Murakami got hurt, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.680 and now we're scoring five and a half per game 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:16.959 since Murakami's been hurt. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.480 Obviously smaller sample. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.680 Size, but the team is continuing to show that we 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.479 are not just We're not just the Bash Brothers at 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:23.840 this point. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:24.440 We can do that. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.200 We can be the Bash Brothers, but we can be 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.119 you know, a line to line, pole to pole kind 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.360 of team, which is being able to showcase all those 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.000 different kinds of hitting has been super cool. But I 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.720 would say that, you know, it's getting likely er by 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.920 the day, and that is what is making this really 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.040 stupidly fun, because it feels like with every win, with 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.560 every kind of successful game of baseball they play, it's 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.680