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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, Welcome to Cadaver Gals, the podcast

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Speaker 1: where we talk about all the ways people have died

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Speaker 1: to cope with our own mortality. Today, we decided that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna all just be super sexy. So I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Whoa with Nika. Hello, that was really panics. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm Panics and Gabby. Yeah, guys, we changed ours We're

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Speaker 1: not breath let me throw up. We changed our minds.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be sexy. Okay, Um, today purpose

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Speaker 1: just accidental sexiness. Okay, yeah, okay, So today we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about how much food is too much food

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Speaker 1: and the dangers of living among bears. Right. Yeah. Today's

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Speaker 1: trigger warnings are they're intense, they're eating dis orders, excessive eating, cannibalism,

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Speaker 1: family abandonment, mauling, general violence, and death. So really fun times.

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Speaker 1: Cue the music, all right, I hope you all enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the music. As usual, Nika, I would like for you

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Speaker 1: to go ahead and just take us on this journey.

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Speaker 1: I'm scared, but we're gonna We're gonna do it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I just took a sip of coffee because this story

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Speaker 1: necessitates it. I pride myself on bringing deranged stories, and

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Speaker 1: I think this story definitely counts. I sugar warning, sugar warning,

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Speaker 1: tugar warning. Okay, so we're going to eighteenth century France,

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Speaker 1: lyon to be exact, and la la yes, where a

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Speaker 1: family is deciding whether or not they can keep their

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Speaker 1: team age boy, whether they can keep it. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no no. Teenage abortions are not possible at the

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Speaker 1: moment with scientific discoveries, nor now, nor in the eighteenth century. No,

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Speaker 1: they love their son, but his appetite has gone bananas.

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Speaker 1: He can eat one fourth of a whole cow in

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Speaker 1: gains weight, like he's just one hundred pounds and that

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Speaker 1: think he'll be jealous after after this, but okay, sometimes

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Speaker 1: if he's full, he'll look like pregnant and his belly

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Speaker 1: will inflate like a balloon in a really terrible looking way.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm good. No, but then listen to this.

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Speaker 1: This is worse. When he isn't full, his tummy deflates

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Speaker 1: and it becomes floppy skin that he can roup around himself. No, no, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he does gain weight and a sense I mean,

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Speaker 1: but like he has room to expand and contract. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he expands, but it does not last, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then also just some more charming descriptions of this boy.

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Speaker 1: He has these horribly stained teeth, and his cheeks are

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Speaker 1: like weirdly floppy but big. Apparently he reportedly could fit

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Speaker 1: twelve eggs in his mouth like a chipmunk. Yes, exactly

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Speaker 1: like a chipmunk. And it's also reported that he had

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Speaker 1: which is kind of scary. Wow. So just picturing this guy,

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Speaker 1: it's bad. His name is Tarare and we're going to

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Speaker 1: journey through his life today. Whoa m Now, his family

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Speaker 1: are not wealthy, you know, they have other kids. They're

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Speaker 1: just farmers, pull French farmers. So they do what they

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Speaker 1: must and they kick him out. He's expensive to take

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Speaker 1: expensive but exactly, but that's rude. It sounds like he

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Speaker 1: not absolutely to be kicked out into the street. But okay, absolutely, Taylor,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you expressed your point on this and

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Speaker 1: this matter I feel with I agree with kicking him out,

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Speaker 1: you know. Oh, okay, that's what I would do to

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Speaker 1: my children. Oh I'm because they're fictional spirit children and

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Speaker 1: the steaks are low or are just a part Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, we don't say the effort on this podcast. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Tarai is barely a teenager, he's so young, and

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Speaker 1: well but they but they made themselves responsible of him,

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Speaker 1: to describe Tarari just a little bit more for y'all

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Speaker 1: to get the full picture. Glad he's finally getting medical attention. Well. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So his mouth was yes, insanely wide. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 1: always yes, And apparently he was also always sweating and overheated,

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Speaker 1: scientific tests again this is eighteenth century, y'all, included making

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Speaker 1: warning over here. They gave him more live animals, like

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Speaker 1: live cat, right, real body exactly. That's what I do

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Speaker 1: offered him thirty pounds of bull intestines, which he said

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Speaker 1: Is it spaghetti? No? Oh? Is it gushers? Is it cherries? No?

418
00:25:08,005 --> 00:25:14,565
Speaker 1: Is that apples? Apples? No? Peanut butter was on the list.

419
00:25:14,845 --> 00:25:22,365
Speaker 1: Hey by the foot? No is that a film? No? Okay, Nka,

420
00:25:22,565 --> 00:25:25,685
Speaker 1: you're actually going to be perhaps upset by this one,

421
00:25:26,325 --> 00:25:32,485
Speaker 1: So get ready. Bananas. Oh my, I actually have a

422
00:25:32,525 --> 00:25:37,325
Speaker 1: story about that, but keep going. Okay, So bananas, as

423
00:25:37,365 --> 00:25:41,325
Speaker 1: we all remember from the hit nineties film Honey we

424
00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:45,645
Speaker 1: Shrunk Ourselves, bananas have a lot of what, Mika, what

425
00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:51,245
Speaker 1: what do bananas have? It's good fun potassium. Yes, did

426
00:25:51,245 --> 00:25:54,005
Speaker 1: you see Honey we Shrunk Ourselves. No, I've never seen

427
00:25:54,005 --> 00:25:57,845
Speaker 1: that in my life. Everyone knows. Everyone knows bananas have potassium. Yeah,

428
00:25:57,925 --> 00:26:00,045
Speaker 1: well we learned that. I learned that from Honey we

429
00:26:00,045 --> 00:26:03,325
Speaker 1: Shrunk Ourselves. Potassium is good for you, but it can

430
00:26:03,325 --> 00:26:07,725
Speaker 1: be overdone and it's called hyper colleenia. Basically, too much

431
00:26:07,725 --> 00:26:10,765
Speaker 1: potassium can get into your blood and then your heart

432
00:26:10,805 --> 00:26:13,445
Speaker 1: stops beating, and we all know what that means. You die.

433
00:26:14,445 --> 00:26:19,885
Speaker 1: Oh shooters, No, no, no, don't stress, Funny, don't stress,

434
00:26:20,045 --> 00:26:24,285
Speaker 1: don't stress, Nica. You you'd have to have like five

435
00:26:24,405 --> 00:26:28,165
Speaker 1: hundred bananas and one so okay, so you're fine. Well

436
00:26:28,205 --> 00:26:31,605
Speaker 1: because one time I eight fifteen to twenty bananas in

437
00:26:31,645 --> 00:26:34,925
Speaker 1: one city. You're fine. Don't even worry. Okay, good. Thanks.

438
00:26:35,085 --> 00:26:37,165
Speaker 1: So this is kind of funny. I thought I was

439
00:26:37,205 --> 00:26:39,845
Speaker 1: being like so smart about this, and so I called

440
00:26:39,885 --> 00:26:42,285
Speaker 1: my doctor friend, and so what I was trying to

441
00:26:42,325 --> 00:26:47,125
Speaker 1: do was equate dying from bananas and water toxicity as

442
00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:50,725
Speaker 1: being like the same thing. I was like, oh, well,

443
00:26:50,805 --> 00:26:54,165
Speaker 1: potassium turns into electrolytes when it enters your body, and

444
00:26:54,245 --> 00:26:57,845
Speaker 1: water has electrolytes, so maybe it's the electrolytes and oding

445
00:26:57,885 --> 00:27:01,485
Speaker 1: on electrolytes and I got this whole tracks. Yeah, So

446
00:27:01,525 --> 00:27:03,245
Speaker 1: I was like confenced, and I thought I was like

447
00:27:03,525 --> 00:27:07,205
Speaker 1: a medical genius, and he was just literally like, no,

448
00:27:07,365 --> 00:27:10,805
Speaker 1: that's just not even remotely true. You're ridiculous. And he

449
00:27:10,965 --> 00:27:14,685
Speaker 1: was like and over, like oding on potassium would be insane.

450
00:27:14,965 --> 00:27:18,125
Speaker 1: He was like, that's ridiculous. But he was telling me

451
00:27:18,165 --> 00:27:20,605
Speaker 1: and the way he described this was so disgusting. So

452
00:27:20,645 --> 00:27:24,005
Speaker 1: if you like, when you do die from drinking too

453
00:27:24,085 --> 00:27:27,685
Speaker 1: much water and water toxicity, basically your brain kind of

454
00:27:27,725 --> 00:27:31,405
Speaker 1: swells and there's like a little bit of a hole

455
00:27:31,485 --> 00:27:33,565
Speaker 1: in the base in the bottom of your skull and

456
00:27:33,685 --> 00:27:36,405
Speaker 1: your brains. Actually not okay with that personally, I'm not

457
00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:39,645
Speaker 1: okay with that right now. Okay, keep going, So so Yeah,

458
00:27:39,685 --> 00:27:42,525
Speaker 1: that was a fun time. What happens with the hole

459
00:27:42,605 --> 00:27:44,525
Speaker 1: now I need to know, Well, your brain squish out

460
00:27:44,565 --> 00:27:47,045
Speaker 1: of it. Oh my god, I don't need to know that.

461
00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:49,725
Speaker 1: I don't even know that. Actually, that was not necessary.

462
00:27:49,765 --> 00:27:52,365
Speaker 1: I mean that was That's a very very not a

463
00:27:52,485 --> 00:27:55,405
Speaker 1: very medical way to put it. But um, your brain

464
00:27:55,605 --> 00:28:02,245
Speaker 1: squishes out. Okay, this one was interesting. Okay. So another

465
00:28:02,245 --> 00:28:08,845
Speaker 1: food that can be dangerous is potatoes, specifically potato, because

466
00:28:08,885 --> 00:28:13,845
Speaker 1: they come in so many different forms, specifically green potatoes.

467
00:28:14,405 --> 00:28:17,645
Speaker 1: So I didn't even know green potatoes existed. No, think

468
00:28:17,685 --> 00:28:20,605
Speaker 1: about this, Nica. So have you ever seen you know,

469
00:28:20,685 --> 00:28:23,005
Speaker 1: like on the edges, like it's just you just kind

470
00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:25,045
Speaker 1: of like assume that it's not ripe, like fully ripe

471
00:28:25,085 --> 00:28:26,525
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you just kind of like lop that

472
00:28:26,605 --> 00:28:29,605
Speaker 1: off or even like you've seen it on like a

473
00:28:29,645 --> 00:28:32,125
Speaker 1: potato chip, And I mean I don't eat it. Yes,

474
00:28:32,245 --> 00:28:35,125
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, the green one, Well

475
00:28:35,165 --> 00:28:43,165
Speaker 1: that is toxic. Oh my godic free Brittany, Yeah, oh yes, yes.

476
00:28:43,925 --> 00:28:47,525
Speaker 1: Um so this actually like really stressed me out. I

477
00:28:47,565 --> 00:28:52,085
Speaker 1: didn't know anyway. So basically what happens is green potatoes

478
00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:57,045
Speaker 1: have solanine, which is basically like a poison. So, okay,

479
00:28:57,325 --> 00:29:01,205
Speaker 1: potatoes are a tuber right, they're root, they grow underground,

480
00:29:01,325 --> 00:29:04,285
Speaker 1: they don't get light. So according to this study by

481
00:29:04,325 --> 00:29:08,405
Speaker 1: Purdue University, they found that green color is caused by chlorophyll,

482
00:29:08,765 --> 00:29:12,525
Speaker 1: which chlorophyll comes from like light, right, so they're underground,

483
00:29:12,605 --> 00:29:15,045
Speaker 1: so if they get too much sunlight, they get chlorophyll,

484
00:29:15,445 --> 00:29:20,525
Speaker 1: which turns the potato green, and solenine causes very unpleasant

485
00:29:20,605 --> 00:29:25,525
Speaker 1: TomTom issues. Nika, the D word. You know, I'm gonna say,

486
00:29:25,565 --> 00:29:27,685
Speaker 1: why are you pointing at me for Tom Tom issues?

487
00:29:27,765 --> 00:29:30,325
Speaker 1: Focus on yourself because on your own Tom Tom tailor.

488
00:29:31,565 --> 00:29:34,325
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I mean, okay, you'd have to eat again,

489
00:29:34,485 --> 00:29:37,045
Speaker 1: like close to two pounds worth, but you could still

490
00:29:37,085 --> 00:29:41,165
Speaker 1: if you consume too much, you could still have stemic issues,

491
00:29:41,285 --> 00:29:43,805
Speaker 1: you know, not feeling too good. But like if you

492
00:29:43,805 --> 00:29:47,205
Speaker 1: have too much, you know you can you can you

493
00:29:47,245 --> 00:29:50,725
Speaker 1: could die, flop over and die. You know, this makes

494
00:29:50,725 --> 00:29:53,965
Speaker 1: me think of that whole argument, like what would you

495
00:29:54,005 --> 00:29:57,445
Speaker 1: give a medieval child that would probably kill them instantaneously,

496
00:29:57,445 --> 00:29:59,605
Speaker 1: and people are like mountain dew and stuff like that.

497
00:29:59,925 --> 00:30:03,165
Speaker 1: But you know, back then, getting the d usually equaled

498
00:30:03,205 --> 00:30:09,325
Speaker 1: like death because it would dehydrate people. So badly, so

499
00:30:09,325 --> 00:30:13,125
Speaker 1: so they have one, although the other d dehydrates, so

500
00:30:13,365 --> 00:30:17,485
Speaker 1: they you know, two green potatoes and they were probably out.

501
00:30:17,605 --> 00:30:21,845
Speaker 1: You know, we're much more we're sturdier now. But they

502
00:30:21,885 --> 00:30:25,725
Speaker 1: also knew then that you that you needed to store

503
00:30:25,805 --> 00:30:28,165
Speaker 1: your potatoes in a cold and dark spot, so they

504
00:30:28,165 --> 00:30:31,485
Speaker 1: don't have access to light. And it really it doesn't

505
00:30:31,485 --> 00:30:33,365
Speaker 1: like affect the rest of the potatoes, so like you

506
00:30:33,365 --> 00:30:35,805
Speaker 1: can just like cut it off and it's fine. But

507
00:30:36,005 --> 00:30:38,365
Speaker 1: um so yeah, that's why you because you can still

508
00:30:38,405 --> 00:30:41,325
Speaker 1: get the green from the you know, if you're if

509
00:30:41,325 --> 00:30:44,325
Speaker 1: you've got your potatoes out on the counter and light

510
00:30:44,445 --> 00:30:47,605
Speaker 1: is hitting them, then it's getting chlorophyll and can turn green.

511
00:30:47,685 --> 00:30:50,805
Speaker 1: And then so there you go. I'm going to go

512
00:30:50,845 --> 00:30:53,605
Speaker 1: on a tour at like a laised potato chip facility

513
00:30:53,645 --> 00:30:55,925
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do like an expose of all of

514
00:30:55,965 --> 00:30:58,125
Speaker 1: their green potatoes and how they still use them despite

515
00:30:58,125 --> 00:31:00,565
Speaker 1: the fact that they're poisoning people. I mean, they're not

516
00:31:00,605 --> 00:31:03,805
Speaker 1: poisoning people. Like, let's not poison it's not like cause

517
00:31:03,885 --> 00:31:06,125
Speaker 1: panic here. Like you can still eat your potato chips,

518
00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,405
Speaker 1: just maybe don't eat the green parts. I mean it

519
00:31:08,405 --> 00:31:10,765
Speaker 1: shouldn't have green parts. But you know what I mean?

520
00:31:10,885 --> 00:31:14,485
Speaker 1: All right. Anyway, so there were you know, there were

521
00:31:14,485 --> 00:31:16,845
Speaker 1: a couple of others on the list, like, um, don't

522
00:31:16,845 --> 00:31:21,885
Speaker 1: od on black licorice, which I got a problem, yeah exactly,

523
00:31:21,885 --> 00:31:27,165
Speaker 1: like who's odeing on black liquorice? That's disgusting and nerds. Yeah,

524
00:31:27,205 --> 00:31:29,845
Speaker 1: and then there was also you know, like carrots turning

525
00:31:29,925 --> 00:31:33,285
Speaker 1: your skin orange and like weird things like that. So

526
00:31:33,285 --> 00:31:35,925
Speaker 1: so anyway, too much of one thing is you know,

527
00:31:36,125 --> 00:31:40,125
Speaker 1: can be dangerous, but it is typically like a lot,

528
00:31:40,605 --> 00:31:44,725
Speaker 1: like who's eating four hundred bananas? Though there are other

529
00:31:44,845 --> 00:31:48,965
Speaker 1: things that have lots of potassium. So anyway, so we're

530
00:31:49,085 --> 00:31:53,165
Speaker 1: all afraid again to eat too much food. Nope, no,

531
00:31:53,405 --> 00:31:59,325
Speaker 1: I'm not okay, I'm gonna be at tarare Um gotty

532
00:31:59,645 --> 00:32:02,085
Speaker 1: don't okay, Well, you can do whatever you want with

533
00:32:02,085 --> 00:32:05,765
Speaker 1: your life. So well, I'm not gonna eat five hundred bananas. Us.

534
00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:09,165
Speaker 1: I feel like this is gonna be fine, okay. And

535
00:32:09,245 --> 00:32:11,165
Speaker 1: I do eat a lot of potatoes, but I don't

536
00:32:11,205 --> 00:32:13,605
Speaker 1: know if I eat that many potatoes. But but like

537
00:32:13,645 --> 00:32:15,645
Speaker 1: it has to be specifically like the green part. So

538
00:32:16,285 --> 00:32:19,165
Speaker 1: just like don't eat a toddler please, No, I'm not

539
00:32:19,205 --> 00:32:22,605
Speaker 1: going to do that I promise I swear on Tarare's

540
00:32:22,685 --> 00:32:27,845
Speaker 1: alien brethren that I will not eat a toddler. All right, Gabby.

541
00:32:28,005 --> 00:32:32,365
Speaker 1: With that said, let's let's move on here. Oh okay,

542
00:32:32,365 --> 00:32:37,525
Speaker 1: well we have some more pleasant fun stories. Let's let's

543
00:32:37,645 --> 00:32:41,525
Speaker 1: get into this. One's very fun too, you know, just

544
00:32:41,565 --> 00:32:45,085
Speaker 1: some descriptions of violence and body parts that everyone will

545
00:32:45,325 --> 00:32:50,885
Speaker 1: really enjoy hearing. So yeah, okay, So basically this story

546
00:32:51,085 --> 00:32:53,445
Speaker 1: is uh, I mean, if you've seen the two thousand

547
00:32:53,445 --> 00:32:57,045
Speaker 1: and five Werner Hertzog Werner Hertzog documentary Grizzly Man, it's

548
00:32:57,045 --> 00:32:59,245
Speaker 1: basically about that. Have y' all seen it. It's a

549
00:32:59,285 --> 00:33:04,765
Speaker 1: great film. Literally stupid No. No Verner Hertzog is hilarious though,

550
00:33:04,805 --> 00:33:07,765
Speaker 1: you know, because he's like he's like narrates it in

551
00:33:07,845 --> 00:33:11,685
Speaker 1: this like very u sort of like melodious sort of way,

552
00:33:11,685 --> 00:33:15,805
Speaker 1: and he has his German accent and it's pretty delightful,

553
00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:18,565
Speaker 1: and you know he's trying to ask you the big questions,

554
00:33:18,565 --> 00:33:22,245
Speaker 1: but then I just, you know, laugh. Okay, so I

555
00:33:22,285 --> 00:33:26,485
Speaker 1: would like to thank No, I don't want to do that. Okay. So, So,

556
00:33:26,725 --> 00:33:29,725
Speaker 1: in the summer of two thousand and three, Timothy Treadwell

557
00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:34,485
Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Amy are in Alaska, and Timothy has

558
00:33:34,485 --> 00:33:37,365
Speaker 1: been going down Alaska for every summer for the past

559
00:33:37,445 --> 00:33:41,245
Speaker 1: like more than a decade. Um. He's basically a pseudo celebrity,

560
00:33:41,325 --> 00:33:45,285
Speaker 1: pseudo bear activist who has been trying to live amongst

561
00:33:45,365 --> 00:33:49,445
Speaker 1: the bears for more than a decade basically, And he

562
00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:55,605
Speaker 1: has a girlfriend. Yes, her name's Amy. Um. Yeah. They

563
00:33:55,645 --> 00:33:59,325
Speaker 1: can also literally kill you. Yeah, but he's so he's

564
00:33:59,365 --> 00:34:04,445
Speaker 1: been like literallyabel like camp and very bar heavy areas.

565
00:34:04,565 --> 00:34:07,325
Speaker 1: He like approached them a lot, and he tries to

566
00:34:07,405 --> 00:34:09,285
Speaker 1: like because he and he learns about the bears and

567
00:34:09,325 --> 00:34:12,885
Speaker 1: he like during the uh, during the other seasons, he's like,

568
00:34:12,965 --> 00:34:15,365
Speaker 1: you know, touring around schools talking about bears all the time.

569
00:34:15,405 --> 00:34:18,085
Speaker 1: And he's just like a bear activist. But a lot

570
00:34:18,125 --> 00:34:20,245
Speaker 1: of people have issues with how he is a bear

571
00:34:20,285 --> 00:34:23,005
Speaker 1: activist because they're like, actually, you're just uh, you know,

572
00:34:23,285 --> 00:34:27,005
Speaker 1: making them a custom hang over bearing, actually getting them

573
00:34:27,045 --> 00:34:30,085
Speaker 1: like accustomed to humans and stuff, and that's probably not good.

574
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:32,365
Speaker 1: And you know, there might be a line between humans

575
00:34:32,365 --> 00:34:34,925
Speaker 1: and nature and it seems like you're crossing it a

576
00:34:34,925 --> 00:34:38,645
Speaker 1: little bit. So there's all these questions about him. But yeah,

577
00:34:38,645 --> 00:34:42,245
Speaker 1: so he's obsessed with bears, especially Grizzly Bears. Um, and

578
00:34:42,285 --> 00:34:44,285
Speaker 1: you know, he knows a lot of the different bears

579
00:34:44,445 --> 00:34:47,045
Speaker 1: and the parts of Alaska that he camps at, and

580
00:34:47,125 --> 00:34:51,325
Speaker 1: you know, he gives them names like there's rowdy, just

581
00:34:51,405 --> 00:34:54,165
Speaker 1: like they're the different kinds of bears I see, and

582
00:34:54,245 --> 00:34:57,325
Speaker 1: he knows them personally. These bears were these like snow

583
00:34:57,325 --> 00:35:00,885
Speaker 1: white dwarves. What's rowdy for a name of a bear? Well,

584
00:35:00,965 --> 00:35:04,325
Speaker 1: rowdy is a little rowdy. So that's why, you know,

585
00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:14,125
Speaker 1: be there's hungry, there's scratching my back. Yeah. So he's

586
00:35:14,165 --> 00:35:16,565
Speaker 1: with the bears, and he's kind of like people. He's

587
00:35:16,565 --> 00:35:18,405
Speaker 1: been on like late night talk shows and like so

588
00:35:18,445 --> 00:35:21,165
Speaker 1: people kind of know about him anyway. And he also

589
00:35:21,165 --> 00:35:25,085
Speaker 1: has this organization called Grizzly People, which is, you know,

590
00:35:25,245 --> 00:35:29,085
Speaker 1: for the preservation of bears. But again people are like maybe,

591
00:35:29,205 --> 00:35:31,685
Speaker 1: like biologist ecologists and stuff, are like, maybe you're not

592
00:35:31,725 --> 00:35:34,405
Speaker 1: actually helping the bears with what you do. So it

593
00:35:34,525 --> 00:35:37,045
Speaker 1: is the summer of two thousand and three and he

594
00:35:37,365 --> 00:35:40,645
Speaker 1: and Amy have been in Alaska the whole summer. They're

595
00:35:40,645 --> 00:35:42,125
Speaker 1: a fix him to leave. It was like the end

596
00:35:42,165 --> 00:35:46,645
Speaker 1: of September, and this was kind of like an important

597
00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:49,085
Speaker 1: moment for Amy and Timothy because you know, she was

598
00:35:49,165 --> 00:35:52,165
Speaker 1: moving from Colorado to Malibu to go live with him

599
00:35:52,165 --> 00:35:54,285
Speaker 1: because he lives in Malibu during most of the year,

600
00:35:54,845 --> 00:35:57,445
Speaker 1: and so but then you know, he kind of has

601
00:35:57,525 --> 00:35:59,445
Speaker 1: an issue, like they're about to leave, but then he

602
00:35:59,485 --> 00:36:02,765
Speaker 1: has like an issue with the ticketing people, like someone

603
00:36:02,805 --> 00:36:05,125
Speaker 1: had like increased the prices in order for them to

604
00:36:05,125 --> 00:36:06,965
Speaker 1: fly out where they were, so he got mad. But

605
00:36:07,045 --> 00:36:10,925
Speaker 1: also one of the bears, actually Downy, that bear. He

606
00:36:11,005 --> 00:36:13,285
Speaker 1: was concerned about her because he had seen this other

607
00:36:13,365 --> 00:36:15,645
Speaker 1: male bear that was being a little aggressive with her,

608
00:36:15,885 --> 00:36:17,725
Speaker 1: and he was like, I want to make sure she's okay.

609
00:36:17,845 --> 00:36:20,845
Speaker 1: So they decided to extend their trip through early October,

610
00:36:21,045 --> 00:36:24,605
Speaker 1: so they went back out to go camp again. He

611
00:36:24,685 --> 00:36:28,525
Speaker 1: calls up Joel Pobanac, who is his friend also former

612
00:36:28,565 --> 00:36:31,605
Speaker 1: girlfriend who runs Grizzly People with him, and was like, hey,

613
00:36:31,645 --> 00:36:33,645
Speaker 1: we're going to stay. But then he was also really

614
00:36:33,645 --> 00:36:35,885
Speaker 1: happy told her he had found Downey and she was fine,

615
00:36:35,885 --> 00:36:39,725
Speaker 1: So don't worry about Downey. Okay, the bear good. So

616
00:36:40,525 --> 00:36:43,965
Speaker 1: then no one hears from them ever again alive. So

617
00:36:44,765 --> 00:36:49,245
Speaker 1: what happens is, so it's October six, two thousand and three,

618
00:36:48,845 --> 00:36:52,925
Speaker 1: and the next day a pilot that is set to

619
00:36:52,965 --> 00:36:57,205
Speaker 1: deliver some provisions to them. He sets down near on

620
00:36:57,245 --> 00:36:59,765
Speaker 1: the lake near their campsite, but he can't get to

621
00:36:59,805 --> 00:37:03,005
Speaker 1: the shore because there's this brown bear that keeps charging him.

622
00:37:03,365 --> 00:37:06,005
Speaker 1: So he gets back to his airplane and even tries

623
00:37:06,045 --> 00:37:08,365
Speaker 1: to like kind of like buzz the bear, like they

624
00:37:08,365 --> 00:37:10,925
Speaker 1: have like a like a bear taser. Basically he tries

625
00:37:10,965 --> 00:37:13,085
Speaker 1: to get the bear anyway. So he's like, this bear

626
00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:15,405
Speaker 1: is really aggressive and keeps charging him. So he like

627
00:37:15,725 --> 00:37:17,365
Speaker 1: goes to the other side of the lake and he

628
00:37:17,445 --> 00:37:21,125
Speaker 1: calls the rangers because he's like, there's this bear. Also,

629
00:37:21,205 --> 00:37:24,165
Speaker 1: I think I just saw human remains near the campsite.

630
00:37:24,365 --> 00:37:29,885
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, like a bear charging you. That's scary.

631
00:37:30,165 --> 00:37:34,365
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but that is terrifying. Like bears are big.

632
00:37:34,565 --> 00:37:40,165
Speaker 1: I I literally I saw a small like a literally baby,

633
00:37:40,205 --> 00:37:42,285
Speaker 1: I think black bear. And then I saw another black

634
00:37:42,325 --> 00:37:45,045
Speaker 1: bear when I was driving in the um like near

635
00:37:45,045 --> 00:37:47,485
Speaker 1: the Blue Ridge Mountains, like early in the morning. And

636
00:37:47,685 --> 00:37:51,005
Speaker 1: black bears are not scary in the way where it's

637
00:37:51,005 --> 00:37:52,885
Speaker 1: like they'll charge it either. Actually very sweet and shiny.

638
00:37:52,925 --> 00:37:55,725
Speaker 1: She was crossing the road, was very cute. But they

639
00:37:55,725 --> 00:37:59,685
Speaker 1: are big and they are they're animals, like they have

640
00:37:59,765 --> 00:38:03,325
Speaker 1: big claws. Oh, grizzlies and brown but I like, I don't.

641
00:38:03,325 --> 00:38:05,845
Speaker 1: I don't know what this man was thinking. Black bears

642
00:38:05,925 --> 00:38:10,045
Speaker 1: are much smaller than grizzlies too, So if I ever

643
00:38:10,085 --> 00:38:14,165
Speaker 1: saw gris, oh my gosh, Kathe was all grizzly in person. No, Kabby,

644
00:38:14,245 --> 00:38:18,765
Speaker 1: what year is this? Two thousand and three? Okay? So

645
00:38:19,445 --> 00:38:23,885
Speaker 1: the rangers arrive on the scene and they too are

646
00:38:23,965 --> 00:38:27,245
Speaker 1: being charged up by this large brown bear, and they

647
00:38:27,245 --> 00:38:29,205
Speaker 1: think it's the same one that the pilot was describing,

648
00:38:29,725 --> 00:38:32,605
Speaker 1: and they describe it as it looked like kind of malnourished.

649
00:38:32,605 --> 00:38:35,085
Speaker 1: It was a male. It had rotting teeth, and it

650
00:38:35,125 --> 00:38:37,685
Speaker 1: was charging at them and at a distance of twelve

651
00:38:37,725 --> 00:38:40,405
Speaker 1: feet they had to end up shooting it and they

652
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:43,965
Speaker 1: killed it, but twelve feet very close, very close. So

653
00:38:44,005 --> 00:38:46,485
Speaker 1: they approached the campsite and they find they indeed find

654
00:38:46,565 --> 00:38:50,765
Speaker 1: human remains. What they find is this is gross. They

655
00:38:50,765 --> 00:38:58,125
Speaker 1: find Timothy's head very disfigured, part of his spine, his

656
00:38:58,245 --> 00:39:01,565
Speaker 1: right forearm, and his hand that still has his wrists

657
00:39:01,605 --> 00:39:06,965
Speaker 1: watch on it. And then Amy's they found, and some

658
00:39:07,045 --> 00:39:12,645
Speaker 1: of her remains just sort of torn up and partially

659
00:39:12,765 --> 00:39:15,765
Speaker 1: and also some Yeah, so kind of yeah, just also

660
00:39:15,845 --> 00:39:18,485
Speaker 1: things that bears do sometimes. I mean, obviously they're assuming

661
00:39:18,525 --> 00:39:20,725
Speaker 1: this is a bear attack. Yeah, that seems like a

662
00:39:20,725 --> 00:39:23,485
Speaker 1: pretty fair assumption. Yeah, And so sometimes what bears do

663
00:39:23,565 --> 00:39:25,685
Speaker 1: to save their you know, they'll kill and then they'll

664
00:39:25,765 --> 00:39:30,325
Speaker 1: like bury there. But they killed as a snack for later,

665
00:39:30,445 --> 00:39:31,685
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want to eat the whole thing.

666
00:39:32,205 --> 00:39:35,245
Speaker 1: They're not like tarare. Yeah, so they couldn't find some

667
00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:38,285
Speaker 1: of Amy's remains because they're probably buried, and also with

668
00:39:38,365 --> 00:39:41,525
Speaker 1: Timothy's remains, some of them might have been buried as well. Anyway,

669
00:39:41,885 --> 00:39:44,405
Speaker 1: as they're doing this, another big bear, a grizzly bear,

670
00:39:44,445 --> 00:39:46,285
Speaker 1: walks through the campsite, but the bear's not trying to

671
00:39:46,325 --> 00:39:48,845
Speaker 1: like get up on them or anything, so they're like, okay,

672
00:39:48,845 --> 00:39:51,805
Speaker 1: we'll ignore that bear. But then another smaller grizzly bear

673
00:39:51,885 --> 00:39:53,565
Speaker 1: comes to the campsite and is like kind of like

674
00:39:53,605 --> 00:39:55,565
Speaker 1: stalking them. So then they end up having to kill

675
00:39:55,645 --> 00:39:59,485
Speaker 1: that bear as well. So and that's the thing too,

676
00:39:59,645 --> 00:40:01,765
Speaker 1: is that a lot of people, as I was talking

677
00:40:01,765 --> 00:40:04,565
Speaker 1: about earlier, had issues with how like Timothy tread Well

678
00:40:04,725 --> 00:40:08,725
Speaker 1: was abdicating for bears because he was like the proximity

679
00:40:08,805 --> 00:40:11,125
Speaker 1: had to them was you know, first of all, extremely

680
00:40:11,205 --> 00:40:14,205
Speaker 1: unsafe and at when he first started seeing the grizzlies

681
00:40:14,205 --> 00:40:16,565
Speaker 1: and like going out into Alaska, he would bring bear

682
00:40:16,645 --> 00:40:18,565
Speaker 1: mace with him, but by the time of this point

683
00:40:18,565 --> 00:40:21,205
Speaker 1: he had literally no protection. Like a lot of times

684
00:40:21,245 --> 00:40:23,125
Speaker 1: biologists when they go out into the forest, they bring

685
00:40:23,205 --> 00:40:25,845
Speaker 1: like an electric fence so that bears can't get through.

686
00:40:25,885 --> 00:40:28,165
Speaker 1: They also have bear mace and like rifles and shit.

687
00:40:28,685 --> 00:40:31,725
Speaker 1: Timothy didn't have any of that shit, you know, and

688
00:40:31,845 --> 00:40:34,405
Speaker 1: it was just kind of like sure, you know, he

689
00:40:34,565 --> 00:40:38,085
Speaker 1: spent years with the bears and nothing has happened, but

690
00:40:38,245 --> 00:40:40,525
Speaker 1: you know, just because that happened doesn't mean it won't

691
00:40:40,565 --> 00:40:42,005
Speaker 1: happen in the future. And a lot of people were

692
00:40:42,005 --> 00:40:44,565
Speaker 1: saying it wasn't really a matter of like if he

693
00:40:44,685 --> 00:40:46,445
Speaker 1: was going to be killed by bears, it was a

694
00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:48,525
Speaker 1: matter of when he was going to be killed by bears.

695
00:40:48,765 --> 00:40:52,885
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's like there's coexisting and there's just

696
00:40:53,005 --> 00:40:57,405
Speaker 1: like that's just a little bit too like doing too much.

697
00:40:57,445 --> 00:41:00,045
Speaker 1: It's a little dangerous, I would say, yeah, because like

698
00:41:00,085 --> 00:41:02,365
Speaker 1: in the documentary as well, there's this guy who's i

699
00:41:02,405 --> 00:41:05,045
Speaker 1: think the head of a wildlife museum, that's in Alaska,

700
00:41:05,085 --> 00:41:08,965
Speaker 1: and he's an Indigenous person and he was talking about like,

701
00:41:09,005 --> 00:41:11,925
Speaker 1: you know how Indigenous people have been living amongst bears,

702
00:41:11,965 --> 00:41:13,685
Speaker 1: you know for seven thousand years, but it would never

703
00:41:13,765 --> 00:41:17,165
Speaker 1: be in this type of like proximity to them, like

704
00:41:17,205 --> 00:41:19,845
Speaker 1: approaching a bear. Like literally there's footage of like because

705
00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:23,045
Speaker 1: you know, for almost a decade, Timothy was also filming

706
00:41:23,125 --> 00:41:26,445
Speaker 1: himself like with the bears and so like there's you know,

707
00:41:26,445 --> 00:41:29,525
Speaker 1: footage of him like a bear swimming and through a

708
00:41:29,645 --> 00:41:32,005
Speaker 1: river and he gets in the river to go swim

709
00:41:32,005 --> 00:41:33,725
Speaker 1: with the bear or like you know, he tries to

710
00:41:33,805 --> 00:41:36,205
Speaker 1: pet baby bears and stuff like that. I am like

711
00:41:36,725 --> 00:41:40,965
Speaker 1: swimming like near like a dog. Like that's the thing though,

712
00:41:41,005 --> 00:41:43,605
Speaker 1: like your point about you know, Indigenous people have been

713
00:41:43,605 --> 00:41:48,885
Speaker 1: living amongst wild animals for you know, centuries, Like they

714
00:41:48,925 --> 00:41:52,005
Speaker 1: mind their fucking business and also it's their land, that's

715
00:41:52,005 --> 00:41:54,045
Speaker 1: what they're doing. When you see like this random white

716
00:41:54,085 --> 00:41:57,245
Speaker 1: guy come in and have this bear obsession, of course

717
00:41:57,285 --> 00:42:00,245
Speaker 1: it's going to end badly. Like of course, wild animals

718
00:42:00,245 --> 00:42:02,005
Speaker 1: were not meant to be pet and they weren't meant

719
00:42:02,005 --> 00:42:04,205
Speaker 1: to be your friends. I'm sorry, Like it just is

720
00:42:04,285 --> 00:42:08,165
Speaker 1: not the case. It's a out respect yes, and they

721
00:42:08,245 --> 00:42:12,285
Speaker 1: need their boundaries respect it. And he's like he's touching

722
00:42:12,645 --> 00:42:17,885
Speaker 1: baby bears. Bro, I'm surprised that it didn't happen sooner, lovingly,

723
00:42:18,965 --> 00:42:21,685
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still so it's so bad. It's so sad, obviously,

724
00:42:21,725 --> 00:42:25,565
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he had good intentions, but like that's crazy,

725
00:42:25,645 --> 00:42:29,085
Speaker 1: that's insane. Sometimes at the end of the day or

726
00:42:29,125 --> 00:42:33,765
Speaker 1: intentions just don't matter. Okay, here's the thing though, Okay,

727
00:42:33,845 --> 00:42:36,605
Speaker 1: so they didn't exactly know what happened. They were assuming

728
00:42:36,645 --> 00:42:38,205
Speaker 1: that it was like this large brown bear that was

729
00:42:38,245 --> 00:42:41,685
Speaker 1: charging them that maybe did the malling and did the

730
00:42:41,765 --> 00:42:44,245
Speaker 1: killing or whatever. But so they had shot that bear,

731
00:42:44,325 --> 00:42:47,845
Speaker 1: and they also shot that smaller grizzly bear, and they

732
00:42:48,365 --> 00:42:50,045
Speaker 1: were going to like sort of dissect it a few

733
00:42:50,085 --> 00:42:52,525
Speaker 1: days later. So they came back to the campsite. The

734
00:42:52,645 --> 00:42:56,445
Speaker 1: smaller bear had been devoured by other bears, so they

735
00:42:56,485 --> 00:43:00,245
Speaker 1: couldn't check that bear, which apparently is fairly normal behavior,

736
00:43:00,325 --> 00:43:02,325
Speaker 1: especially kind of in the fall season when they're trying

737
00:43:02,325 --> 00:43:04,365
Speaker 1: to get ready for hibernation. They want to stock up

738
00:43:04,405 --> 00:43:06,565
Speaker 1: as much as they can, so are eating other bears

739
00:43:06,565 --> 00:43:09,405
Speaker 1: that are dead. But then the big brown bear they

740
00:43:09,445 --> 00:43:16,245
Speaker 1: did look into its gut and they found human remains, fingers, limbs, etc.

741
00:43:16,685 --> 00:43:19,685
Speaker 1: So they're like, this is probably the bear, Yeah that

742
00:43:19,805 --> 00:43:22,765
Speaker 1: did it. And you know, like I think Verner Hertzog

743
00:43:22,805 --> 00:43:25,485
Speaker 1: in the documentary kind of speculates that maybe it was

744
00:43:25,965 --> 00:43:28,885
Speaker 1: because they stayed later in the season, Like they're there

745
00:43:28,885 --> 00:43:31,285
Speaker 1: and you know fall basically, and that's when bears are

746
00:43:31,325 --> 00:43:33,205
Speaker 1: more dangerous to be around because they're trying to eat

747
00:43:33,245 --> 00:43:37,005
Speaker 1: so much, so they're all tarrares up in there. Okay.

748
00:43:37,245 --> 00:43:42,085
Speaker 1: So another thing they found on the campsite was Timothy's

749
00:43:42,165 --> 00:43:46,725
Speaker 1: video camera, and when they got the video camera, they

750
00:43:46,805 --> 00:43:52,965
Speaker 1: realized that there was a six minute audio file that

751
00:43:53,885 --> 00:43:56,925
Speaker 1: had some audio of them being mauled by a bear.

752
00:43:57,205 --> 00:44:01,045
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yeah, so there wasn't any video. They

753
00:44:01,085 --> 00:44:02,765
Speaker 1: think maybe the lens cap was on or they just

754
00:44:02,805 --> 00:44:04,765
Speaker 1: like maybe they were about to film something and it

755
00:44:04,845 --> 00:44:07,085
Speaker 1: just like automatic started filming. They don't exactly know what

756
00:44:07,125 --> 00:44:09,725
Speaker 1: was happening. They like, they put this out there in

757
00:44:09,765 --> 00:44:14,165
Speaker 1: the documentary. No, in the documentary, it's actually kind of interesting.

758
00:44:14,245 --> 00:44:18,085
Speaker 1: So Werner Hertzog listens to it and he's talking to Jewel,

759
00:44:18,405 --> 00:44:21,365
Speaker 1: who is Timothy's friend, and so it's just like him

760
00:44:21,525 --> 00:44:23,965
Speaker 1: listening to it on headphones, and he tells her in

761
00:44:23,965 --> 00:44:29,085
Speaker 1: the documentary, never listened to this tape. Should destroy it.

762
00:44:29,365 --> 00:44:32,645
Speaker 1: That's traumatic. I wouldn't want to hear that. And she's like,

763
00:44:32,725 --> 00:44:34,445
Speaker 1: she doesn't end up destroying it, but he was like,

764
00:44:34,445 --> 00:44:36,285
Speaker 1: it will be like this, it will be haunting you

765
00:44:36,325 --> 00:44:38,445
Speaker 1: if it remains in your house. So she I think

766
00:44:38,445 --> 00:44:41,165
Speaker 1: put it in like a bank safety box or something.

767
00:44:41,565 --> 00:44:44,765
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, one, that tape is not available. And

768
00:44:44,925 --> 00:44:47,285
Speaker 1: I'm glad because I would have listened to it. But

769
00:44:47,365 --> 00:44:51,845
Speaker 1: apparently I know, but I would have too. I would

770
00:44:51,845 --> 00:44:54,325
Speaker 1: have been like, Okay, I actually was about to google it,

771
00:44:54,365 --> 00:44:56,645
Speaker 1: which is bad. I don't know why. It's like human

772
00:44:56,685 --> 00:45:00,245
Speaker 1: curiosity slash. You want to know everything, right, I'm glad

773
00:45:00,245 --> 00:45:02,045
Speaker 1: it's not out. I'm glad. I'm really happy it's not out.

774
00:45:02,045 --> 00:45:05,085
Speaker 1: That that's really bad. Yeah. So basically on the tape,

775
00:45:05,125 --> 00:45:09,285
Speaker 1: what you here is Timothy yelling get out here. I'm

776
00:45:09,285 --> 00:45:14,285
Speaker 1: being killed. You hear Amy kind of screaming like, hey, playdead, playdad,

777
00:45:14,325 --> 00:45:19,205
Speaker 1: play dead, which biologists say in that case, probably playing dead.

778
00:45:19,245 --> 00:45:21,365
Speaker 1: If they're already attacking you would keep attacking you. That's

779
00:45:21,405 --> 00:45:24,245
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything. But then she's yelling like fight back,

780
00:45:24,285 --> 00:45:27,405
Speaker 1: fight back, and then he's kind of like it kind

781
00:45:27,405 --> 00:45:29,925
Speaker 1: of seems like he's asking her to help him, but

782
00:45:29,965 --> 00:45:32,525
Speaker 1: then it's also some other in the documentary, it's more

783
00:45:32,605 --> 00:45:34,325
Speaker 1: him saying like, get out of here. I mean, I

784
00:45:34,325 --> 00:45:36,285
Speaker 1: feel like in that situation, I would change my mind

785
00:45:36,285 --> 00:45:38,005
Speaker 1: a lot too, like come help me to go away? No,

786
00:45:38,165 --> 00:45:40,405
Speaker 1: come help me? What do I do? Yeah, and then

787
00:45:41,125 --> 00:45:43,485
Speaker 1: Timothy's like asking her to like hit him with the

788
00:45:43,525 --> 00:45:46,525
Speaker 1: frying pan, and then you hear her screams and then

789
00:45:46,565 --> 00:45:49,405
Speaker 1: you stop hearing him screaming. So it's just a lot

790
00:45:49,405 --> 00:45:53,565
Speaker 1: of screaming. And Yeah, so they had the tape. They

791
00:45:53,645 --> 00:45:56,125
Speaker 1: listened to it, and they don't exactly know like what

792
00:45:56,205 --> 00:45:58,605
Speaker 1: were the exact motions that happened, but it is pretty

793
00:45:58,605 --> 00:46:03,085
Speaker 1: obvious that a bear attacked Timothy Amy tried to save him,

794
00:46:03,165 --> 00:46:06,365
Speaker 1: but then the bear attacked her as well, And there

795
00:46:06,485 --> 00:46:08,525
Speaker 1: was like a moment too where you can kind of

796
00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:11,845
Speaker 1: because they had his head. They do know that at

797
00:46:11,885 --> 00:46:13,725
Speaker 1: some point, you know, while he was still alive, the

798
00:46:13,725 --> 00:46:20,005
Speaker 1: bear crushed his head. So don't we love it? Okay?

799
00:46:20,245 --> 00:46:24,405
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's all these arguments around, like obviously will

800
00:46:24,445 --> 00:46:26,845
Speaker 1: we talked about you know, whether or not what he

801
00:46:26,925 --> 00:46:30,845
Speaker 1: was doing was actually like helpful to bears. I mean,

802
00:46:30,925 --> 00:46:33,805
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, his life, his he had

803
00:46:33,805 --> 00:46:36,405
Speaker 1: a pretty you know, hard I mean hard life in

804
00:46:36,445 --> 00:46:38,405
Speaker 1: that like he you know, he had a pretty good family.

805
00:46:38,445 --> 00:46:40,645
Speaker 1: But then he's he became an alcoholic and he started

806
00:46:40,685 --> 00:46:43,125
Speaker 1: doing drugs and kind of like for him and his

807
00:46:43,205 --> 00:46:46,285
Speaker 1: personal life, like finding the bears is kind of what

808
00:46:46,445 --> 00:46:49,325
Speaker 1: you know, saved him from probably just being dying of

809
00:46:49,405 --> 00:46:52,365
Speaker 1: like a heroin overdose at some point. You know, it's

810
00:46:52,405 --> 00:46:56,605
Speaker 1: like it's a I don't know, like probably don't live

811
00:46:56,605 --> 00:46:58,925
Speaker 1: with bears, probably because they're probably gonna get you, you know,

812
00:46:59,205 --> 00:47:01,285
Speaker 1: you know, maybe have a safe distance, do some social

813
00:47:01,325 --> 00:47:06,845
Speaker 1: distancing with bears. That's all I'm saying. And also, yeah, grizzlies, grizzly, Yeah,

814
00:47:07,085 --> 00:47:11,445
Speaker 1: keep your distance for sure. So that is the death

815
00:47:11,485 --> 00:47:16,885
Speaker 1: of Timothy Treadwell. Wow, when we come back, we're going

816
00:47:16,965 --> 00:47:25,445
Speaker 1: to talk about more predators. Okay, we're back. Animals. I

817
00:47:25,525 --> 00:47:30,165
Speaker 1: love them and you may love them too, but you

818
00:47:30,205 --> 00:47:34,325
Speaker 1: know what, they exist for a reason. And you know,

819
00:47:34,445 --> 00:47:37,685
Speaker 1: like there's a reason that we have so much biodiversity.

820
00:47:38,005 --> 00:47:44,445
Speaker 1: It keeps the world afloat. So it's important, like animals

821
00:47:44,485 --> 00:47:47,205
Speaker 1: are important, from your pollinators and bees and butterflies to

822
00:47:47,365 --> 00:47:52,725
Speaker 1: your predators. Like wolves and wolves are so cool. Oh

823
00:47:52,805 --> 00:47:54,925
Speaker 1: my gosh, are we gonna get into we're gonna talk

824
00:47:54,925 --> 00:48:00,525
Speaker 1: about well, oh my gosh. Okay, yes, So for a

825
00:48:00,685 --> 00:48:05,525
Speaker 1: very long time, wolves and people coexisted very well. It

826
00:48:05,605 --> 00:48:08,085
Speaker 1: just even said that people learn from them, like how

827
00:48:08,125 --> 00:48:11,125
Speaker 1: they hunt and track and things like that. So like

828
00:48:11,245 --> 00:48:14,605
Speaker 1: wolves basically taught us how to be people. So I

829
00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:17,165
Speaker 1: like how the buses in the background, just like lying

830
00:48:17,205 --> 00:48:25,565
Speaker 1: down and yawning wolves. Gus is practically a wolf. He Yeah,

831
00:48:25,565 --> 00:48:28,965
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about you know, hunting from Gus. Yeah. No,

832
00:48:29,125 --> 00:48:32,005
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of how to snuggle from Gus. Well,

833
00:48:32,085 --> 00:48:35,645
Speaker 1: just like Gus, wolves are cute af Okay, So we're

834
00:48:35,645 --> 00:48:37,725
Speaker 1: actually going to go to Yellowstone. We all know it.

835
00:48:37,765 --> 00:48:41,045
Speaker 1: We love it. Never been but I'm pro national parks

836
00:48:41,045 --> 00:48:45,245
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Back in the eighteen hundreds, before it was

837
00:48:45,285 --> 00:48:47,645
Speaker 1: what it is now, there were a lot of farmers

838
00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:50,765
Speaker 1: ruling the lands and they were mad at the wolves

839
00:48:50,845 --> 00:48:53,085
Speaker 1: because the wolves they were taking over. They were eating

840
00:48:53,085 --> 00:48:57,565
Speaker 1: their cattle, sheep, chickens, which was a problem. So the

841
00:48:57,565 --> 00:49:00,285
Speaker 1: farmers were like I'm gonna just you know, get rid

842
00:49:00,325 --> 00:49:03,765
Speaker 1: of them. And so the wolves were seen as menaces

843
00:49:03,805 --> 00:49:08,085
Speaker 1: to society. So people were hunting wolves. It was not

844
00:49:08,165 --> 00:49:10,445
Speaker 1: just the farmers though, and this is what makes me

845
00:49:10,485 --> 00:49:13,565
Speaker 1: so angry. There were government agencies as well that were

846
00:49:13,565 --> 00:49:16,165
Speaker 1: supporting this, and it was like an active Oh no,

847
00:49:16,365 --> 00:49:18,645
Speaker 1: they were like active bounties to get rid of them.

848
00:49:19,565 --> 00:49:21,325
Speaker 1: You know. They were like, they're dangerous for people that

849
00:49:21,365 --> 00:49:25,005
Speaker 1: are hiking around the area. So they were being hunted

850
00:49:25,085 --> 00:49:28,685
Speaker 1: like in Yellowstone as well as like the neighboring woods,

851
00:49:29,325 --> 00:49:33,885
Speaker 1: and so wolves were quickly decreasing in numbers. They actually

852
00:49:33,965 --> 00:49:36,845
Speaker 1: the first record of a wolf bounty was in Massachusetts

853
00:49:36,885 --> 00:49:40,565
Speaker 1: in sixteen thirty. That is so rude. Yeah, I'm mad

854
00:49:40,605 --> 00:49:44,885
Speaker 1: about it. So by nineteen twenty three, gray wolves were

855
00:49:45,325 --> 00:49:49,885
Speaker 1: essentially extinct from Yellowstone and even worse, they weren't seen

856
00:49:50,045 --> 00:49:53,485
Speaker 1: in like any of the like all but two US states.

857
00:49:54,245 --> 00:49:56,285
Speaker 1: And you guys know, I love guessing games. So do

858
00:49:56,285 --> 00:50:02,165
Speaker 1: you want to guess which, Gabby? Do you have any guesses? Um,

859
00:50:02,365 --> 00:50:10,845
Speaker 1: Florida and Florida. My gosh, you're both wrong, Michigan and Minnesota.

860
00:50:11,525 --> 00:50:15,005
Speaker 1: What I really thought Montana, So you know, yeehaw, I

861
00:50:15,005 --> 00:50:17,285
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, well they were being hunted there too.

862
00:50:18,045 --> 00:50:22,485
Speaker 1: So you want to guess what happened to Yellowstone burned

863
00:50:22,485 --> 00:50:27,645
Speaker 1: down and now it's all mixed use developments exactly. Canceled. No, no,

864
00:50:27,805 --> 00:50:30,805
Speaker 1: it went to shit though. The elk took over. They

865
00:50:30,845 --> 00:50:37,245
Speaker 1: were eating everything, trampling everything, like the foliage. Biodiversity just

866
00:50:37,245 --> 00:50:40,805
Speaker 1: just didn't exist anymore. It was like Yellowstone was like ugly,

867
00:50:40,885 --> 00:50:43,885
Speaker 1: it was brown. Beavers had no trees to nibble and

868
00:50:43,925 --> 00:50:46,405
Speaker 1: they didn't have anywhere to hibernate because all of the

869
00:50:46,445 --> 00:50:49,245
Speaker 1: elk had like eaten and trampled where they would live,

870
00:50:49,285 --> 00:50:52,125
Speaker 1: so they had to flee. Birds didn't have anywhere to live,

871
00:50:52,205 --> 00:50:56,845
Speaker 1: so they were leaving. Like elk ruled the lands and

872
00:50:56,925 --> 00:50:59,525
Speaker 1: the land was not looking cute, it was looking dead.

873
00:51:00,605 --> 00:51:04,645
Speaker 1: And so four beavers, I know, the poor beavers. Beavers

874
00:51:04,645 --> 00:51:10,925
Speaker 1: are really cute. So after like seventy years later, scientists, biologists,

875
00:51:10,965 --> 00:51:14,125
Speaker 1: they had quite the novel idea. They were like, okay,

876
00:51:14,165 --> 00:51:16,285
Speaker 1: this is this is getting out of control. We need

877
00:51:16,325 --> 00:51:19,645
Speaker 1: to like let's bring the gray wolf back. And they

878
00:51:19,685 --> 00:51:23,725
Speaker 1: brought back thirty one wolves to be exact, and um,

879
00:51:23,805 --> 00:51:27,205
Speaker 1: we have Canada to thank because some Canadian biologists captured

880
00:51:27,245 --> 00:51:29,085
Speaker 1: the wolves and brought them to the US for US.

881
00:51:29,485 --> 00:51:36,245
Speaker 1: How nice, thank you Canada. So um. So as they

882
00:51:36,285 --> 00:51:40,085
Speaker 1: released them into Yellowstone, one lady wolf was like, m

883
00:51:40,645 --> 00:51:43,405
Speaker 1: this is not my problem. She was like, y'all done

884
00:51:43,645 --> 00:51:46,325
Speaker 1: messed up Yellowstone and I just think it's rude that

885
00:51:46,365 --> 00:51:48,565
Speaker 1: you think I'm here to fix it. So she started

886
00:51:48,565 --> 00:51:51,405
Speaker 1: tracking her way back to Canada and she was like queen,

887
00:51:52,165 --> 00:51:56,405
Speaker 1: queen shit, girl boss, girl boss energy. Yeah. She was like, um,

888
00:51:56,445 --> 00:51:59,365
Speaker 1: that's a no on the US. Um, I'm gonna go

889
00:51:59,405 --> 00:52:02,125
Speaker 1: back to Canada. So scientists were like, all right, we

890
00:52:02,165 --> 00:52:06,805
Speaker 1: gotta reintroduce them more gradually. I end up working in

891
00:52:06,885 --> 00:52:08,765
Speaker 1: the end, and it actually worked a lot quicker than

892
00:52:08,765 --> 00:52:12,125
Speaker 1: they anticipated. They thought it would take like years to do,

893
00:52:12,765 --> 00:52:14,885
Speaker 1: like five years or something, but they were able to

894
00:52:15,405 --> 00:52:18,725
Speaker 1: reintroduce them much easier than they thought. So they what

895
00:52:18,765 --> 00:52:20,485
Speaker 1: they did was they put them kind of in these

896
00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:25,645
Speaker 1: like larger enclosures. They had guards too, to keep people away.

897
00:52:25,685 --> 00:52:28,765
Speaker 1: They didn't want the wolves interacting with humans like at all,

898
00:52:29,565 --> 00:52:31,565
Speaker 1: which makes sense because you know, we didn't want them

899
00:52:31,565 --> 00:52:34,445
Speaker 1: getting too comfortable with people and then people doing annoying

900
00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:37,725
Speaker 1: things like we don't want them getting too comfortable befriending

901
00:52:37,725 --> 00:52:40,045
Speaker 1: them pretending to be wolves. Those are all things that

902
00:52:40,085 --> 00:52:44,325
Speaker 1: people do exactly. So they had bodyguards and I just

903
00:52:44,365 --> 00:52:46,565
Speaker 1: absolutely loved that. I mean, they were far enough away,

904
00:52:46,605 --> 00:52:49,485
Speaker 1: but like you know, and they were only checked on

905
00:52:49,725 --> 00:52:52,285
Speaker 1: like twice a week. They were placed food and the

906
00:52:52,365 --> 00:52:57,485
Speaker 1: enclosures for them, and I'm sure you can guess what happened. Well,

907
00:52:57,605 --> 00:53:00,645
Speaker 1: like once they were finally reintroduced, the wolves brought order

908
00:53:00,725 --> 00:53:05,605
Speaker 1: back to the area. Yeah, that's right, gang gang. All

909
00:53:05,605 --> 00:53:08,725
Speaker 1: of the bushes, the trees were able to thrive again,

910
00:53:08,805 --> 00:53:10,885
Speaker 1: which brought back all the animals that had to flee

911
00:53:10,965 --> 00:53:16,245
Speaker 1: to find homes, help the rivers and you guys. Wolves

912
00:53:16,285 --> 00:53:19,725
Speaker 1: were respected by other predators as well. The wolves would

913
00:53:19,765 --> 00:53:22,405
Speaker 1: like help provide provide food for them with their kills,

914
00:53:22,445 --> 00:53:26,045
Speaker 1: so even grizzly bears were like, oh, thank you, mister wolf.

915
00:53:26,165 --> 00:53:28,645
Speaker 1: Like the wolves were helping the grizzlies, and the grizzlies

916
00:53:28,645 --> 00:53:31,965
Speaker 1: were like thanks. This is so sweet. I love the

917
00:53:31,965 --> 00:53:35,205
Speaker 1: way you're describing this. It's no, it is like, it

918
00:53:35,285 --> 00:53:38,845
Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible. What like the I'll see if I

919
00:53:38,845 --> 00:53:41,925
Speaker 1: can find some pictures, like the before and after of

920
00:53:42,085 --> 00:53:46,485
Speaker 1: wolves being introduced is just absolutely insane. Yeah, if there's pictures,

921
00:53:46,485 --> 00:53:49,365
Speaker 1: will post them because I love that so much. Taylor.

922
00:53:49,485 --> 00:53:51,805
Speaker 1: It's you're like making me very much root for the wolves.

923
00:53:51,845 --> 00:53:56,245
Speaker 1: I love wolves. They are amazing. So who's the real

924
00:53:56,285 --> 00:54:02,645
Speaker 1: menace to society? People? Men's Yeah, we should put us

925
00:54:02,685 --> 00:54:08,045
Speaker 1: all in Canada. Yeah. Well they gave us though, some wolves,

926
00:54:08,045 --> 00:54:11,205
Speaker 1: so we should send people there. Yeah, I volunteer. That's

927
00:54:11,205 --> 00:54:17,085
Speaker 1: an even trade anyway. So twenty twenty last year, aka

928
00:54:17,165 --> 00:54:22,005
Speaker 1: the worst year ever, one absolutely incredible thing happened. What

929
00:54:22,445 --> 00:54:25,365
Speaker 1: those thirty one wolves that were introduced in the nineties

930
00:54:25,725 --> 00:54:29,245
Speaker 1: have become thousands and the wolves were taken off the

931
00:54:29,365 --> 00:54:34,605
Speaker 1: endangered species lest y'all, Oh my gosh. I am so

932
00:54:35,165 --> 00:54:41,725
Speaker 1: incredibly happy about this. The weirdly heartwarming Canavergl's story so heartwarming.

933
00:54:42,005 --> 00:54:46,165
Speaker 1: And would it be Taylor talking about animals if I

934
00:54:46,205 --> 00:54:50,365
Speaker 1: didn't also have a PSA. Oh, let's hear it. So

935
00:54:50,525 --> 00:54:53,285
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there these the real menaces

936
00:54:53,325 --> 00:54:56,525
Speaker 1: to society. Humans are like, oh, wolves are really cool

937
00:54:56,565 --> 00:54:58,165
Speaker 1: and I want to have like a wolf dog or

938
00:54:58,165 --> 00:55:01,965
Speaker 1: I want to have a wolf. Don't do that. You're wrong.

939
00:55:02,165 --> 00:55:04,925
Speaker 1: You can't handle them. They're not meant to be pets.

940
00:55:05,525 --> 00:55:09,565
Speaker 1: They're supposed to exist in the wild, so leave them there,

941
00:55:10,165 --> 00:55:12,845
Speaker 1: thank you. Just get a docs and bro Yeah, or

942
00:55:12,845 --> 00:55:16,805
Speaker 1: a Chinese crusted powder taxins are so cute. I get

943
00:55:16,805 --> 00:55:24,805
Speaker 1: a evil dog. Hey, they people, I mean to be fair,

944
00:55:25,445 --> 00:55:27,405
Speaker 1: they're small. I've never been close to one, so I

945
00:55:27,405 --> 00:55:29,205
Speaker 1: wouldn't know, but I think they're so cute. They look

946
00:55:29,205 --> 00:55:31,365
Speaker 1: concerned all the time. They are really cute, Like I

947
00:55:31,485 --> 00:55:35,045
Speaker 1: understand that feeling, you know. Um, yeah, just get a

948
00:55:35,125 --> 00:55:38,765
Speaker 1: Chinese crusted powder puff. They howl. They're practically wolves. It's fine,

949
00:55:38,845 --> 00:55:42,285
Speaker 1: same thing, but they're like smaller. Or get a cat

950
00:55:42,325 --> 00:55:46,845
Speaker 1: dog like Kimchi exactly. Yeah, and gus is guess is

951
00:55:46,885 --> 00:55:49,325
Speaker 1: like a cat. Your your cat is a dog cat?

952
00:55:49,965 --> 00:55:53,045
Speaker 1: We have hybrids. Yeah, my cat's a dog hat your

953
00:55:53,085 --> 00:55:56,725
Speaker 1: dog is a cat. Dog's fine. Gabby's cats are just cats,

954
00:55:56,845 --> 00:56:01,165
Speaker 1: very much cats. Wow, just cats. So but they're just

955
00:56:01,325 --> 00:56:06,885
Speaker 1: amazing cats. Okay, I accept good Taylor, But yeah, don't

956
00:56:06,885 --> 00:56:09,805
Speaker 1: get a wolf, right, don't get a wolf. They are

957
00:56:09,885 --> 00:56:12,485
Speaker 1: doing they have stuff to do. They're busy. They've got

958
00:56:12,485 --> 00:56:15,045
Speaker 1: a job, and it is not being your pet. Okay,

959
00:56:15,445 --> 00:56:19,085
Speaker 1: m So, so there you have it. This was I

960
00:56:19,125 --> 00:56:23,365
Speaker 1: just really liked ending on cute little animals as I

961
00:56:23,365 --> 00:56:26,405
Speaker 1: love animals. We all know that. Yeah, but I feel

962
00:56:26,445 --> 00:56:28,285
Speaker 1: like this was a great episode. How are y'all feeling?

963
00:56:28,965 --> 00:56:33,365
Speaker 1: I feel weirdly hopeful and like happy. Oh yeah, usually

964
00:56:33,405 --> 00:56:37,005
Speaker 1: I want to go to therapy immediately after recording Cadaver Girls.

965
00:56:37,165 --> 00:56:41,245
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hungry, Yeah, I kind of I'm hungry too. Um.

966
00:56:41,285 --> 00:57:01,445
Speaker 1: On that note, I guess we're gonna go eat. Cadaver

967
00:57:01,525 --> 00:57:04,045
Speaker 1: Gals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.

968
00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:08,285
Speaker 1: It's hosted, produced, research, et cetera by Gabby Watts, Nico Darte,

969
00:57:08,365 --> 00:57:11,165
Speaker 1: and Taylor Church. You can follow us on Instagram in

970
00:57:11,285 --> 00:57:14,885
Speaker 1: Twitter at Cadaver Gals. Also leave us a kind note,

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00:57:15,365 --> 00:57:17,485
Speaker 1: kind note, Okay, thanks,