1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: Well, Elon Musk is now the richest person on the planet. 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 3: More than half the satellites in space are owned and 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 3: controlled by one man. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 2: Well, he's a legitimate super genius, I mean legitimate. 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 3: He says he's always voted for Democrats, but this year 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: it will be different. He'll vote Republican. 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: There is a reason the US government is so reliant 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: on him. Alon Musk is a scam artist and he's 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: done nothing. Anything he does, he's fascinating people. 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: Welcome to Elon Ing, Bloomberg's weekly podcast about Elon Musk. 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: It's Tuesday, September third. I'm your host, David Papadopolis. Welcome 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 4: back from Labor Day. This week it's all about X. 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: We'll start with the ban of X in Brazil. 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: And then we're gonna hit Elon's latest election antics on 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: you guessed it X, and then we're gonna wrap up 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 4: by discussing his vision and dreams for X TV. Joining 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 4: us to talk about that are some familiar faces. Max Chafkin, Hey, 19 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: what's going on? 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: Max? How are you? 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 5: Happy? Belated Labor Day? 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: Happy blated Labor Day, and to you Kurt Wagner aka 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 4: Number eight and a social media reporter for us here 24 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 4: at Bloomberg. 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: Kurt, Hey, David, how are you good? All right, Kurt, 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: We're gonna start with you. 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 4: Just give us an overview for those of us out 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: there who were just at the beach, soaking up the rays, 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: sipping summer martinis. And we're not following the ins and 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 4: outs of Elon Muskin X versus the Brazilian Supreme Court. 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: What is transpired and where do things stand there now? 32 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 6: So I believe it was Friday, so a lot of 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 6: people may have already been checked out for the long weekend, 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 6: at least here in the US. A Brazilian judge basically 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 6: cut off X or banned X for the entire country. 37 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 6: And this had been the end result of a long 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 6: saga that has played out over the last several months. 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 6: The short version is that this judge he wanted X 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 6: to take action on certain accounts on the platform for 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 6: sharing misinformation or anti democratic content. X and Elon, of course, 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 6: you know, saying well free speech absolutism, said no, we're 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 6: not going to do that. As things sort of got 44 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 6: more intense than judge said, well, I'm going to arrest 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 6: the person or attempt to arrest the person who is 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 6: representing X and country. 47 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: That was weeks ago, the threat to arrest them, right. 48 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 6: That's right that we talked about that, because then Elon's 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 6: response to that was, well, we're going to leave the 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 6: country entirely. We're going to you know, stay operational, that 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 6: you'll be able to use the app in Brazil, but 52 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 6: we're not going to have employees there. There's not going 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 6: to be anyone to arrest. And the judge then said, well, 54 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 6: in order to operate here, you need someone here to 55 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 6: basically answer questions for the company and you know, receive 56 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 6: in this case, our complaints. 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: You don't have any entire. 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: X Brazilian staff cannot be working from home in the Bahamas. 59 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, in Brazil, they need someone physically there to handle 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 6: an issue like this. And so he says, you need 61 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 6: to appoint a legal representative otherwise I'm going to ban you. 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 6: Elon says, you know, more or less, shove off. I'm 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 6: not going to appoint anybody, and kind of I don't 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 6: know if he was attempting to call his bluff or 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 6: just simply said, you know, we'll we'll be happy to 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 6: be banned. I don't care, but the judge did follow 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 6: through and band X on Friday. I believe it's officially 68 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 6: no longer working for people in Brazil, and it's a 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 6: fine if you use a VPN to access it. It's 70 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 6: a way to sort of redirect your Internet traffic to 71 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 6: maybe a server that's in another country, right, so you 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 6: would first go to a server in a country where 73 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 6: X is allowed, and then it sort of redirects it 74 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 6: and that way you get around the ban that way. 75 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 6: But again there's a fine for people who do that. 76 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 6: So you know, we're at this point now where X 77 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 6: is banned. The Supreme Court, the rest of the Supreme 78 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 6: Court upheld the original judge's decision, so X can still appeal, 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 6: but you know, we're kind of at this stage where 80 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 6: things are looking like X is just gone unless Elon 81 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 6: is willing to concede to some of these demands. 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: You know, a year ago, Elon Musk was asked by 83 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: the government of Turkey to ban a bunch of accounts 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: and he went through with it under court order. And 85 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: the explanation at the time offered was, you know, yes, 86 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: I'm a free speech absolutist, but the question is either 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, lose access to a handful of accounts in Turkey, 88 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: or lose access to the service altogether. And he argued, 89 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: you know, it's better to better to preserve X and Turkey, 90 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, making the making a different calculation here. Not 91 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: entirely clear why, although I suppose Musk would argue that 92 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: there was less transparency, like one of the big reasons 93 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: he offered at the time for opposing this order was 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 2: that the judge was was limiting what X could. 95 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 5: Say about it. 96 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's significant enough to put the 97 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: entire operations in the country at risk, but but of 98 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: course Elon Musk saw it that way. But what I 99 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: think is actually going on here is you have Brazilian politics, 100 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: which Elon Musk has already sort of entered the fray right. 101 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: He's attempted to cozy up to Bolsonnaro, former. 102 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: President, sort of far right president of Brazil, who I believe, 103 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 4: Max correct me if I'm wrong, who is closely allied 104 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 4: with many of the accounts right on X that the 105 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 4: Brazilian Supreme Court wanted to shut down. 106 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that because Twitter released a sort of 107 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: sequel to the Twitter Files called the Alexander Files. 108 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 5: That's the first name of the Brazilian justice who ordered. 109 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: This banims right and thank you and and so so right. 110 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: It was it looked like seven accounts. These are all 111 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: sort of far right aligne. It really feels like, you know, 112 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: Elon musk Is, in inserting himself into Brazilian politics, has 113 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: now you know, decided to make this a thing, just 114 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: as he's made you know, his engagement in American politics 115 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: a thing. He's you know, posting memes, he's you know, 116 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: he's he's going to war over this, and you know, 117 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: you can debate whether that makes sense as a principal 118 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: stand I think for X it's not great news because 119 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: Brazil is a pretty substantial market for social media. 120 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a big market for them from a user 121 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 6: base standpoint, significantly less, you know, important from a financial standpoint. 122 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 6: But we don't know exactly how many users because they 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 6: don't they've never broken those out. We've seen some estimates, 124 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 6: I believe E Marketer said it was around forty million 125 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 6: monthly active accounts, which would put Brazil probably in the 126 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 6: top five, maybe even in the top three, behind the 127 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 6: United States and Japan in terms of total size. For 128 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 6: X but revenue wise, again, they've never broken it out. 129 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 6: I was texting with a source over the weekend and 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 6: he told me that, you know, it used to be 131 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 6: that Brazil was around two percent of global revenue for them, 132 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 6: So you know, those numbers obviously could could be adjusted 133 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 6: slightly since Elon has taken over. But point being is 134 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 6: that it's a small, very small market for them. From 135 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 6: a business standpoint, It's it's possible that Elon is making 136 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 6: a calculation here saying that, you know, taking this stand 137 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 6: does not hurt them very much financially, but the you know, 138 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 6: the benefits of being of looking or appearing to be 139 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 6: the ultimate free speech guy on a global scale far 140 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 6: outweigh what he's losing in actual Yes, And to. 141 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: That point, it is my understanding that for not only 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 4: the far right in Brazil and other places, but also 143 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: in just some more mainstream conservative circles, this has become 144 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: a bit of a cause celeb in Brazil. I get 145 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: the sense that there are a lot of factions who 146 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 4: feel like this is a bit of overreach by the 147 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: Supreme Court there, and then in some ways they are 148 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: perhaps exacerbating the problem. It feels to me, though, Max 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: like at this point though each side Gimo Eyes, the 150 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: judge and Elon Musk really just have their backs up 151 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: and our and our loath to back down at this point. 152 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 5: Right, what's sort of most extreme about this order. 153 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: It's not the you know, ordering X to suspend certain accounts, 154 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: which is, as we said, has happened in other countries 155 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: and X has complied to argue whether that how significant 156 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: the question of transparency really is. But this idea of 157 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: putting a fine on on VPN users like that is 158 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: a pretty. 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: Nine thousand dollars a day, don't and I don't know. 160 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 5: That it's enforceable. 161 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: Like a lot of authoritarian countries have really struggled to 162 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: including China, have really struggled to crack down on if 163 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: you can't use But like. 164 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: In Brazil, to be clear, is not an authoritarian country. 165 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Elon Musk is now saying this is you know, 166 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: this is evidence, you know, but it is not. No, 167 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: what I'm saying is there's a real question about whether 168 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: this can be enforced even but regardless of so that, 169 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: it's like threatening people with a fine, a significant fine 170 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: for just for attempting to consume this content like that 171 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: is pretty that's pretty out there, right, that's pretty far 172 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: away from what most countries have done in these situations, 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,359 Speaker 2: most democratic countries have done in these situations. 174 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: It is something that I learned as a young reporter 175 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 4: in Brazil in the late nineteen nineties that the Brazilian 176 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 4: Supreme Court likes to exercise its influence. It will not 177 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: be cowed or bullied by anyone, and certainly not by 178 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 4: Elon Musk. And to this point it actually almost seems 179 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: to have gotten into a bit of a tit for 180 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 4: tat sort of personal thing with him that from Afar 181 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: seems a bit odd. 182 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: Now Kurt tell us this. 183 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 4: It seems that another key business of Mosques, SpaceX's starling unit, 184 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 4: has gotten ensnared in this whole conflict. 185 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: What's the situation there, Well, so, as part. 186 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 6: Of the penalty that the judge is imposing on X 187 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 6: includes some financial fines, financial penalties, and X is not 188 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 6: paying those fines. But Starlink is in Brazil and prominent 189 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 6: in Brazil and has bank accounts in Brazil, and so 190 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 6: the judge instead is saying, well, Elon, you know, if 191 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 6: your one company is not going to pay the fines 192 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 6: that are owed, we will just get the money from 193 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 6: your other company, So I believe they froze the bank 194 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 6: accounts from Starlink in order to pay these fines. I 195 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 6: think this is such an interesting element of this whole 196 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 6: thing because we've talked at length on this pod of course, 197 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 6: about sort of the constellation of Elon's companies, right, and 198 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 6: the benefits at times of him pulling resources from Tesla 199 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 6: to benefit others or vice versa. And here we're seeing 200 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 6: the real negative of this, you know, Elon connection, because 201 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 6: now he's being sort of threatened with one company by another. 202 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 6: And this was a huge concern. You have to remember 203 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 6: when Elon bought Twitter in late twenty twenty two, this 204 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 6: is one of the biggest concerns was like, hey, you 205 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 6: have all these other companies where governments could apply leverage 206 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 6: on you, you know, in China and India and other places. 207 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 6: Are you prepared to deal with the fact that like 208 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 6: Tesla could be used as a bargaining chip to get 209 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 6: to X and the speech related issues at X. And 210 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 6: it's been talked about, but this is the first time 211 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 6: I think we've really seen it actually play out in 212 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 6: a negative way for Elon. 213 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that's a really great point, Like this 214 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: could be a Canarian coal mine situation where we could 215 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: see other countries, probably not like the US, but but 216 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: but other countries you know at tempt the same kind 217 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: of thing. And you know, Elon Musk's SpaceX's response has 218 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: been like, you can't. This is totally ridiculous. You're conflating, 219 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: you know, Elon Musk with SpaceX. But it's a little 220 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: hard to make that argument when you're when you're CEO 221 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: goes around acting like they're one and the same. 222 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: And because he not only. 223 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 4: Not only is the CEO like he is also of 224 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 4: Tesla and other companies, but in the case of both 225 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: SpaceX and of X, he is also majority shareholders. 226 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 3: He not does he not have a majority stake in SpaceX. 227 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: I think he definitely is. He's majority control. I'm not 228 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: sure that he has. 229 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 4: But if you are the majority, you have majority control 230 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: over company, which again would not be the case with Tesla. 231 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 4: I mean you can almost sort of see it right 232 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: the link. It's it's not crazy, Hey, you own this. 233 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 4: You also own that they're all essentially, you know, units of. 234 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: A big And again, when you have a guy who 235 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: goes around saying all these rules are bs, you know, 236 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: just like, let's just go. 237 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 5: You know, I don't pay attention to the the. 238 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: Ins and outs of securities laws like I think it's 239 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: much easier for regulators say, come on, man, you are 240 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: SpaceX like and anyone who's looking like, yeah you can. 241 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: You can talk about the bylaws or whatever or the 242 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,239 Speaker 2: cap table. But everybody knows, including people who work at SpaceX, 243 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: that Elon Musk controls SpaceX. He that these companies effectively 244 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: operate like one conglomerate. 245 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 5: So is it really surprising when. 246 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: A judge and you know, in Brazil or anywhere else, 247 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: treats them as such? 248 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: Okay, Max. 249 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: So Musk has been eching up a storm about US 250 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 4: politics and election, the upcoming election in recent days, including 251 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 4: by the way, saying that Kamala Harris supports the banning 252 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 4: of X there in Brazil KEX by EKEX. 253 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: What's it looked like flipping on X yesterday and seeing, 254 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: I think, in particular, a post from Elon Musk saying 255 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: that you know, Kamala Harris has promised to govern as 256 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 2: a communist from day one, and then this kind of 257 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: like AI generated picture of Kamala and a communist outfit 258 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 2: that goes beyond just like a campaign ad where you're 259 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: saying these policies are communists like or or some of 260 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: the attacks you've seen from Trump and to something that 261 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: more feels like what we would associate with, right, like 262 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 2: disinformation type accounts like It's It. And the other thing 263 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: he did yesterday that was also quite strange, I thought, 264 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: is he kind of boosted an in cell adjacent post 265 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: or a post that was arguing that the world would 266 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: better off if only high status males were in charge. 267 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: So again we're really it's really crossing into kind of 268 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: you know, far right posting twenty four to seven. 269 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 5: I think this is just the consequence of. 270 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: Elon Musk, you know, getting involved in the presidential race 271 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 2: and is a he's effectively part of Donald Trump's campaign, 272 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: and so he's posting that way at this point, although 273 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: posting in his kind of idiosyncratic, extra provocative way. 274 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: Now, Kurt, I suppose his argument is going to be that, well, 275 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: everyone's going to know that my post of Kamala there 276 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 4: is just a parody, I will say, having taken a 277 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: very quick glance at the post. Yeah, it doesn't seem 278 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 4: to be anything particularly real about it, right. 279 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that would be the argument humor. Right, 280 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 6: He's used this sort of humor defense repeatedly since taking 281 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 6: over that like, hey, as long as it's funny or 282 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 6: it's intended to be funny, you know, it should be fine. 283 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 6: I think more than anything, I think what this weekend 284 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 6: has just reinforced for me is just the you know, 285 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 6: the way in which he is no longer even pretending 286 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 6: to keep his thumb off the scale of politics. 287 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: Right. 288 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: You remember when he first took over Acts, it was 289 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 6: very much like, hey, I'm I'm not gonna, you know, 290 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 6: turn this into a political. 291 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: The I'm just neutral, yeah, right exactly. 292 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 6: And it's just like the we've come so so so 293 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 6: far from that kind of initial takeover and initial pledge 294 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 6: or promise or or at least framing. 295 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: It's just striking right. 296 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: Part of the problem here is with Musk's like philosophy 297 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: of free speech, like this idea that the platforms shouldn't 298 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: make any decisions, should be all up to the government, 299 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: and platforms should just be like crazy free for alls 300 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: and then and then let the government step in number one. 301 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: It creates the standoffs right where like we're talking about 302 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: in Brazil, but it also creates you know, all of 303 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: a sudden, like Elon Musk, the CEO of one of 304 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: these major companies is acting like you know, any old poster. 305 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, like it it it it's just further 306 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: eroding trusted and it's almost like daring governments to step 307 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: in and try to make rules. 308 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 5: And and so I don't know. 309 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think there are critiques from 310 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: both the left and the right over how like Facebook 311 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: managed misinformation and disinformation, But you know, it doesn't it's 312 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: not clear to me that this is like an improvement, 313 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: you know, in any metric. 314 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 6: To Max's point, whatever's legally allowed as fair game. If 315 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 6: it's not legal, you know, we're going to take it down. 316 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 6: That's not exactly how he does it anyway. Right like this, 317 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 6: he when he wants something removed, the account that's following 318 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 6: his private plane, if he wants to take what is it? 319 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: The word cis. 320 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 6: Right is now like considered a slur in the US 321 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 6: if you're if you're on. 322 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: X or something like that. 323 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 6: I mean, the point being is that he's very much like, Hey, 324 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 6: anything goes as long as it's legal, and with a 325 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 6: major caveat being that also if I'm okay with that 326 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 6: thing being on X because if not personally, I will 327 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 6: make a change as well. And I think that's the 328 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 6: big issue is he's not truly free speech absolutist within 329 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 6: the law. He says that, but then he makes his 330 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 6: own decisions when they suit him, and I think that's 331 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 6: where people get frustrated. 332 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: He puts his own spin on it. 333 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: He also, max, I believe, continues to ex about his 334 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 4: potential future role in a Donald Trump administration. 335 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 336 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 5: I mean he's. 337 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: Disputed a lot of the reporting, you know, including reporting 338 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 2: it's based on the actual filings and so on. But 339 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: in terms of his support of Donald Trump and kind 340 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: of attempted to play it down in various ways. But 341 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: this is one thing he's genuinely seems excited about. He's 342 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: he's ready to serve if called upon. It's like, I 343 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: don't know what the opposite of a sherman esque denial is, 344 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: but that's what it is. He's basically raised his hand 345 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: and said I want to be the you know, efficiency czar, 346 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: which you know, given Elon Musk has some pretty out 347 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: there views on the government, you know, it's hard to 348 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: imagine any of this actually coming to pass. Like, I 349 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: don't think that Elon Musk will be giving broad leeway 350 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: to like ru you know, closed federal agencies, but he 351 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: definitely has that appetite. 352 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna move on to the launch of 353 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: the beta version of x TV for Android. 354 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: Man, I've been waiting. 355 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 5: For this, man, you know, I'm sure feels the same way. 356 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: But like, I'm gonna pivot. 357 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: Remind me of what exactly x TV is. This is 358 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: where we go to watch porn. 359 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: Yes, now you can watch porn on your on the 360 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: big screen at home. It is essentially the idea of 361 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: video being a big thing on x and that what 362 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: Elon Musk has wanted pretty much since he got to 363 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 2: the company was to have some sort of app on 364 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: your TV to make it easier to stream these shows 365 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson or Elon Musk interviewing Trump or or whatever else. 366 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: It's kind of a weird and confused set of ideas 367 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: that feels like at once kind of caught up in 368 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: the past, like, hey, it's not real unless it's on 369 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: the big screen in your living room and also sort 370 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: of out of touch with like the realities of how 371 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: videos consumed. But anyway, Yeah, there's a on Android TV 372 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: which is like one of the platform, one of the 373 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: operating systems for TVs. It has modest market share. I 374 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: saw figures around six percent market share, so not a 375 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: huge amount. But you can download, you can get this 376 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 2: x TV app and you know, watch that Tucker, that 377 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: great hard hitting Tucker interview or whatever else you know, 378 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: in the comfort of your home on the big screen. 379 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: Kurt expectations from you for XTV. 380 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 6: I think it's a huge waste of time and resources 381 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 6: for the company, to be honest with you, I mean, 382 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 6: I think Max sort of flicked at it right, like 383 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 6: this isn't what. I don't know anybody who's clamoring to 384 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 6: bring the x videos they see scrolling through their phone 385 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 6: and blast them onto the sixty inch TV in their 386 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 6: living room. 387 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: So I just think, like, well, can. 388 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 4: I just say for one second, car hold on, let 389 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 4: me just say everyone age as. 390 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 3: I as being the old man in the room here, 391 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: as I will have to say, as I watch my. 392 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: Daughter or my nephews and nieces and they watch everything, 393 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 4: games and everything just on their phones, and I'm like, 394 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 4: as the I'm like it is slightly unsatisfying to me, 395 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: Like I need I need a big come on, give 396 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 4: me a big screen or something. So I'm all over 397 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 4: X David. 398 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: This is what I was going to say. 399 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 6: This would make sense if there was a huge library 400 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 6: of high quality videos that were worthy of being on 401 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 6: your TV. Right, Like, let's pretend this whole Don Lemon, 402 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 6: Tucker Carlson, WWE whatever, the big push into premium video 403 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 6: that they announced earlier this year. Like, let's pretend that 404 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 6: worked and they had thirty different shows. 405 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: Okay, Like, sure. 406 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 6: You want to watch your Tucker Carlson show on the 407 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 6: big TV, Like, David, you go for that and you can. 408 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: Keep that popcorn. 409 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like two shows. There's like two shows. 410 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 6: So I'm just saying my When I said it, I 411 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 6: thought it was a waste of time and resources. It's 412 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 6: because they don't have the content that really merits going 413 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 6: on a live TV to to spend the time on this, 414 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 6: in my opinion, and. 415 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 4: They will not be acquiring content elsewhere, Like they can't 416 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 4: flick Style. 417 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 6: They'd like to, but it's it's easy to want to 418 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 6: do that stuff. I mean, this stuff is incredibly expensive. 419 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 6: This is not a company that has a lot of 420 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 6: extra cash. It's competitive, right like Amazon, Fit, Amazon, Apple, 421 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 6: all these other companies they want the high quality stuff too. 422 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: They're not just gonna let X have it. 423 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 6: So I just think it's you know, I don't know 424 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 6: in the universe of things they could do. 425 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a good space. 426 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: You got me Card, you convinced me. You convinced me. Max. 427 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 3: We never sort of brought it up. 428 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 5: You and David you put it. 429 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: You you brought made a good. 430 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 2: Point, which is like with the porn joke, which is 431 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: that if anyone has like tried to like search, like 432 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: look at X, like at A on a workplace computer, 433 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: you are aware of the dangers of looking at X 434 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: on a large screen. 435 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: Like It's just it is. 436 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: It is not associated with the kind of content that 437 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: Kurt is talking about. So you're you're not just talking 438 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: about like the technical challenge of like building apps for 439 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: all these platforms Set top Box. That market is really 440 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: really fractured. They're all these players. You're gonna have to 441 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 2: build all these different apps, you have to work on 442 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: all these different business deals, and you're gonna have to 443 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: change the fact that most people don't see X the 444 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: way that Elon Musk wants us to see it. 445 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: There we are, We're gonna we're gonna end this episode. 446 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 5: Uh, I don't gonna pitch pitch my show here? 447 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 3: Well what is your show? 448 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 5: All right? 449 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: So I well, I was just trying to think about 450 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: what content that might work. Kurt's talking about, you know 451 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: the fact that we don't have Tullsia's you know that 452 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 2: we you know, the cut in offerings right now are limited, 453 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: and I'm trying to think, like, okay, what what is realistic? 454 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Because Elon Musk doesn't have zasloft dollars. He's not going 455 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: to spend huge amounts of money to buy content. He's 456 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 2: not gonna he's not gonna pay Oprah zillion dollars. But 457 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: and the you have the brand problem. So what works 458 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: in next is Elon Musk? Right, we all agree like 459 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 2: Elon Musk content so basically keeping up with the Kardashians. 460 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: But Elon Musk's various complicated family arrangements like just call 461 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: it like repopulating the earth or something, and you know, 462 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: just just like go full reality. He already kind of 463 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: wants to be a kardash and let's like let's do it. 464 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: I think it'd be a huge hit. 465 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: It actually would be a huge hit. 466 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: It will be Yeah, that's as crazy as that would be. 467 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 4: If if any if Linda Yakarino or anyone else from 468 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 4: Max is listening, Max Schinda, call me exactly all right, 469 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 4: and so you don't like my cage match? I didn't 470 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 4: you would do? You would start with the cage match? 471 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, actually scraped that. You would need 472 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 4: to build to the cage match Musk versus Zucker, but 473 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 4: you'd build slowly building. 474 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: I hadn't thought, honestly to be you know, maybe it's 475 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: just like labor day brain I was. I hadn't considered 476 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: the cage match. But that is also a really good idea. 477 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, that would put that would put 478 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 6: this app on a must download list for me if 479 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 6: we were getting to watch elon Zuck. 480 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, let me paint a 481 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: picture for you, David, just real quick. 482 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 6: Max Scott his show we've you know, lightheartedly mocked my 483 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 6: high school football career, But imagine kicking back on the 484 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 6: couch of the bowl of popcorn and pulling those highlights 485 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 6: up and watching those on the big screen. I don't know, 486 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 6: I mean, it's hard for me to picture a better 487 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 6: way to spend a holiday weekend. 488 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, my understanding. 489 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 5: Nothing high school football clips. 490 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: He was eighteen. 491 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Yeah seventeen, thought all yeah. 492 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 4: No, Kurt, we're gonna, we're gonna Max and I are 493 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 4: gonna consider that one. We're gonna get back to you, 494 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: never on it. 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