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Speaker 1: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us. Battleground polls out

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Speaker 1: nine months and five days until election twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: What do they tell us? Also legal wrangling. Huge article

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Speaker 1: in Politico, Buck about the challenges of any of these

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Speaker 1: cases being resolved in time for the election. I've read

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Speaker 1: this article this morning, Buck, and I know there's poll

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Speaker 1: data out there that says if Trump is convicted, it

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Speaker 1: could impact the decision of many swing state voters and

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Speaker 1: swing voters in general. Buck. This article that was up

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Speaker 1: in Politico, it was as if they were trying to

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Speaker 1: pressure I mean, it was as aggressive as I've seen

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Speaker 1: the judge in the DC Circuit to get their opinion

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Speaker 1: get strung out, it is impacting things in a very

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Speaker 1: favorable way for Trump. We'll talk some about that also

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Speaker 1: third hour. This is a big story, and I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of you have been paying attention to it.

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Speaker 1: Buck is gonna be taking a tutorial a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The Attorney General of the state of Tennessee is going

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Speaker 1: to be with us. There has been a blockbuster lawsuit

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Speaker 1: file this morning that could potentially end college athletics as

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Speaker 1: we know it. The states of Virginia and Tennessee. The

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Speaker 1: attorney generals Jonathan Scurmetti and Jason Mayar Is in Tennessee

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Speaker 1: image and likeness law. It's really a very fascinating situation,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk with that Attorney General Scurmetti

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Speaker 1: from Tennessee in the third hour. Also, I'm headed down

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Speaker 1: about that. But we begin, Buck, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: hit you with these numbers from the battleground states. This

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Speaker 1: the polls by and large have been reflected as Trump's

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg and Morning Consult. This is the poll. Wisconsin Trump

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Speaker 2: The reality is, we've never seen anything like this before

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Speaker 2: And it may all come down to a guilty verdict

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Speaker 2: But Buck, I think with what we talked about, with

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Speaker 1: most people don't understand the difference between civil courts and

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Speaker 1: that's actually beneficial to Trump because you're a New York

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Speaker 1: For Joe Biden, if they can get that case, if

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Speaker 1: Remember it? So he doesn't have to win all seven,

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Speaker 2: certainly not alone in this, as they're all in, all

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Speaker 2: Jack Smith case, sorry, the Jack Smith case will start

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna wait until this trial happens, it's gonna stretch.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna take at least what six to eight weeks

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Speaker 2: that's the ultimate ultimate backup plan.

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Speaker 1: I know you think so.

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Speaker 2: I think they got to just ride with what they've got,

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Speaker 2: But they've got to try to time this out, and

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into clay Ann Buck. We are going to

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Speaker 2: Bit about the tech Titans and the Fury of Congress

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Speaker 2: tell you in advance. I tend to be very cynical

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Speaker 2: of this. You know, you get a speech from members

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: to parents and how they see this. You know, Clay's

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Speaker 2: obviously a parent of three. I want to hear from

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Speaker 2: all of you out there. We've got so many parents

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Speaker 2: who listen, will play some of the highlights such as

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Speaker 2: they are from these hearings, what was said to these

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Speaker 2: so called tech titans. It's a big issue, and social

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Speaker 2: media is more powerful mile than really any other kind

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Speaker 2: of media out there, and it also affects elections, as

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Speaker 2: we all know. Just ask pre elon Twitter and the

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Speaker 2: suppression of the Hunter, Biden laptop and more. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: dive into that coming up here in just a few

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Speaker 2: all right, second hour, Clay and Buck is rocking and

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Speaker 2: rolling right now. I've got a lot to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about this Tech hearing on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 1: Some fireworks going on.

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Speaker 2: The DC political media very attuned to this one. This

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Speaker 2: is one of those rare moments of it seems bipartisan agreement.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of hate big Tech on Capitol Hill day.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is the the uh the.

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Speaker 2: Three minutes hate, two minutes hate of Emmanual gold Stee.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember what was it? Was it nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty four? Was it two minutes tat or three minutes?

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Speaker 4: Haight?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about when they had to

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Speaker 2: all shout their anger and rage. I think the Big

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Speaker 2: Tech Hearing is going to result in not very much

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Speaker 2: other than soundbites. But let's talk about it. Let's get

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Speaker 2: into some of this. I mean, the big headline right

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Speaker 2: now play is lawmakers saying, quote, you have blood on

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Speaker 2: your hands to text CEOs. I mean, that's a pretty

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Speaker 2: pretty h intense allegation. It's pretty severe. So let's see

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Speaker 2: what they say.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: We have Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, and yeah, here he

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Speaker 2: is saying that social media doesn't actually this has cut

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Speaker 2: one harm teen health play it.

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Speaker 5: With so much of our lives spent on mobile devices

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Speaker 5: and social media, it's important to look into the effects

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Speaker 5: on team mental health and well being. I take this

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Speaker 5: very seriously. Mental health is a complex issue, and the

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Speaker 5: existing body of scientific work has not shown a cause

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Speaker 5: a link between using social media and young people having

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Speaker 5: worse mental health outcomes. At recent National Academies of Science

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Speaker 5: report evaluated over three hundred studies and found that research

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Speaker 5: quote did not support the conclusion that social media causes

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Speaker 5: changes in adolescent mental health at the population level.

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Speaker 1: End quote.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Clay, a few things. Just let me give you

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Speaker 2: a few of the headline takeaways here from CNN as

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Speaker 2: we dive into this. Senator Lindsay Graham quote, the dark

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Speaker 2: side of social media products is too great to live with.

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Speaker 2: This is also from CNN centeror Amy Klobash are visibly

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Speaker 2: upset while questioning CEOs, and then they've got a South

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Speaker 2: Carolina lawmakers doing Instagram after his son died by suicide.

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Speaker 2: It goes through this at some length. Okay, I got

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Speaker 2: a few things here that I want to rive and do.

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Speaker 2: The one is one of these legislature legislators suggesting be done.

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Speaker 2: And two, can we have a conversation about how tech

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Speaker 2: platforms are largely information dissemination vehicles. The same way that

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Speaker 2: you know, you can use a phone and threaten someone's life,

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Speaker 2: and you could make them depressed, and you could you know,

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Speaker 2: do psychological damage to them, social media can do the

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Speaker 2: same thing. So I think there has to be some

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Speaker 2: specificity in this conversation about what they want to do

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Speaker 2: about it and how they think there's a way forward.

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Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time thinking about this again

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Speaker 1: as a as a parent, and in my own experience,

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Speaker 1: so Buck, I think my thesis in general is that

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Speaker 1: you're in mind generation, and you're basically my generation, even

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Speaker 1: though you're a millennial and I'm the last year at

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Speaker 1: gen X. We grew up by and large in an

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Speaker 1: arrow without the Internet in our early youth in terms

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Speaker 1: of an all encompassing way. But we're old, but we

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Speaker 1: were not so old that we didn't understand how the

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Speaker 1: Internet worked. So I feel like we're kind of a

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Speaker 1: bridge generation because people who are older than us. Let's

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Speaker 1: say you're listening to us right now and you're sixty

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Speaker 1: or older, the Internet came along long after you were

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Speaker 1: grown and so you know, it's just kind of something

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Speaker 1: that you layered on. And I think in general that's

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Speaker 1: more complicated. But I feel like we kind of had

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Speaker 1: the perfect raising in the eighties and the nineties where

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Speaker 1: you had a real world raising but you weren't immersed online.

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Speaker 1: But then you understood as you became a teenager or

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Speaker 1: got older in your twenties and thirties, how the internet worked.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's so healthy because I see people

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Speaker 1: now that and I think about it not only for

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Speaker 1: my kids, but also we have a lot of I

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Speaker 1: still consider them kids. At some point you get older

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Speaker 1: and you start thinking, anybody in their twenties still kind

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Speaker 1: of a kid, right, college kids, I call them whatever.

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Speaker 1: They have grown up entirely online. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's again, I just come back to it. It's not.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, it is not a coincidence that mental

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Speaker 1: health fell off a cliff right as social media took root.

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Speaker 1: And part of it is not just social media, buck

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Speaker 1: it's the combination of social media and for those of

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Speaker 1: you watching on video, I'm holding up my phone right now,

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Speaker 1: is social media and a computer in your pocket? Because

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Speaker 1: it is I think impossible to recognize how much life

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Speaker 1: has changed with phones. Some of it's for the better, right,

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Speaker 1: I Mean, my favorite thing about my phone is probably Uber, honestly,

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Speaker 1: because the idea that if you ever tried to get

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Speaker 1: a taxicab back in the nineties and much of America

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Speaker 1: was almost impossible. I mean, like you couldn't get a

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Speaker 1: taxicab in Nashville unless you were coming out of a

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Speaker 1: bar at two am and they were just lined up there.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't get a ride anywhere. So the idea that

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Speaker 1: I can just be on a corner and I can

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Speaker 1: get a car in five minutes and it's reasonable cost

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Speaker 1: is amazing to me. But the way that people define

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Speaker 1: themselves based on the uh social media universe, it's scary.

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Speaker 1: I just and and I think it's toxic. I think it.

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Speaker 1: I think social media is the cigarettes of our generation.

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Speaker 2: So so so here's what I what I want to know.

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Speaker 2: And there's so many parents listening.

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Speaker 1: If you have.

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Speaker 2: Strong thoughts on this issue, remember this is given what's

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Speaker 2: going on in the world. Congress or the sentence holding

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Speaker 2: this hearing today on Capitol Hill. Mark Zuckerberg is there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're bringing in it's it's I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: find all the DIFFERENTEO like everybody, all everybody, it's all

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Speaker 2: the big tech CEOs. It's the CEOs of Meta, TikTok, Snap,

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Speaker 2: discord x formerly known as Twitter, all of this, right,

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Speaker 2: and and here's what I What I see though, is well,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to ban social media, okay, because there's

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Speaker 2: actually a lot of good and a lot of companies

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Speaker 2: and a lot of things that rely on different social

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Speaker 2: media applications.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's I think one part of it. And ultimately, I

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Speaker 2: feel like this is up to parents. If you're talking

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Speaker 2: about protecting kids when it comes to social media, it's

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Speaker 2: really up to parents for the most part. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying there aren't things that maybe could be done. I'm sure,

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Speaker 2: although I want to hear what the specifics are.

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Speaker 1: What should be done.

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Speaker 2: Will I think that, you know, Clay, you said you

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Speaker 2: let you don't let your son on social media un

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Speaker 2: till he's sixteen, right, I mean for me, that seems

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Speaker 2: reason that that seems about right. I don't think thirteen

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Speaker 2: year olds need to be on social media. I definitely

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Speaker 2: don't think ten year olds need to be on social media.

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Speaker 2: I think that people and I see this and I'm

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Speaker 2: not a parent, I know, but I'm an observant fellow

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Speaker 2: people use iPads as like stand in babysitters instead of

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Speaker 2: human beings. There's way too much of that going on,

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Speaker 2: you know. I just see this increasingly as it's about parenting.

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Speaker 2: Some of these arguments were made about television. They were

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Speaker 2: certainly made about video games. Oh, video games will rot

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Speaker 2: your brain unless you're Elon Musk who stays up until

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Speaker 2: four am playing video games many nights and is the

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Speaker 2: richest guy in the world and is changing the world

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Speaker 2: we live in, right, Like, you know, it's all about balance,

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Speaker 2: It's all about having boundaries and understanding. And I think

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Speaker 2: that on social media, for example, you know, first of all,

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Speaker 2: I would assume is this the case. Parents should all

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Speaker 2: have all the passwords and full access to anyone under

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Speaker 2: eighteen social media period, full stop.

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Speaker 1: Right. So that's one thing.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how easy it is to set

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Speaker 2: that up, but I would assume that that's possible to do, right,

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Speaker 2: so you can see every interaction, everything that's going on.

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Speaker 2: That's a safety thing as much as it is also

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Speaker 2: a mental health thing. I don't know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 2: what do you think needs to be done right, because

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Speaker 2: right now, Lindsey Graham yelling about how social media companies

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Speaker 2: have blood on your hands is hysterical theatrics. It's oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm making such a big deal of it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: lindsay what do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, my thought would be And I'm not claiming

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Speaker 1: that I'm some kind of an expert on this, although

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Speaker 1: I am active in media, I am active on social media.

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Speaker 1: I think I understand it better than the average parent would.

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Speaker 1: We don't get phones for our kids until they are fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Some people will say that's too early. Some people will

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Speaker 1: say that's too late. Fourteen seems to me like a

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Speaker 1: reasonable age where a kid could have access to a phone,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of that is to help with him

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Speaker 1: and frankly, I like to be able to know where

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Speaker 1: he is. But so fourteen, social media at sixteen. So

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Speaker 1: and I'm not telling other parents what they should do.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying what my wife and I have decided to

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Speaker 1: do with our kids. I think you shouldn't be able

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Speaker 1: to have a social media account until you are, honestly

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Speaker 1: sixteen at their earliest. And I think that the metas

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Speaker 1: of the world and the twitters of the world, and

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Speaker 1: you should have to establish how old you are legitimately

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Speaker 1: to be able to get on to have a social

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Speaker 1: media account.

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Speaker 2: When I when I was like a freshman in high school,

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Speaker 2: if I had had the ability to talk to girls

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Speaker 2: of my own age on, I don't think I would

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Speaker 2: have I would have failed algebra too, you know, I

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Speaker 2: would have done anything else, right, So we were lucky

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Speaker 2: in the sense that you didn't have these constant, you know,

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Speaker 2: social interaction tools that aren't real.

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Speaker 1: The other part, it's not real social interaction. That's the problem.

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Speaker 2: It is in the sense that you're talking to people,

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Speaker 2: but it's not in the sense that real human beings

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Speaker 2: in person is still special, it's still more worthwhile.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even remember the telephone, It was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I bary a lot of you out there, remember the

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Speaker 1: Star six ' nine era. If you had a brother

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Speaker 1: or sister, somebody was always on the phone, but mom

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Speaker 1: and dad could always pick up the phone and know

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Speaker 1: who it was, or mom and dad could answer the phone.

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Speaker 1: And there was something to be said for being a

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Speaker 1: boy or a girl calling another boy or a girl

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Speaker 1: and having to talk to a parent in order to

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Speaker 1: be able to be on the phone. With them, and

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Speaker 1: you knew again Mom and dad could pick that phone

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Speaker 1: up at any point, or your brother and your sister

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Speaker 1: could right, there was a interaction associated with it. And

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Speaker 1: what I would just say in general is when you

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Speaker 1: are a teenager, everybody is racked with self doubt, you're growing,

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Speaker 1: you're changing. Instagram in particular, to me, is so fake.

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Speaker 1: It is everybody's best photo that they've ever taken. It

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Speaker 1: is everybody's best vacation that they've ever taken. And if

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Speaker 1: you're a fourteen year old girl and whoever the prettiest

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl is in your class, or the

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Speaker 1: richest fourteen year old girl, and she has the best clothes,

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Speaker 1: and she has the best friends, and she has the

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Speaker 1: best trips, I can see how if you're constantly forced

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Speaker 1: to marinate in somebody else's Remember it's not the real

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Speaker 1: world that somebody else is essentially yeah, yeah, they're artificial

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Speaker 1: somebody else's fantacy. And then you see if there are

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Speaker 1: six kids that you thought you were friends with and

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Speaker 1: they all go to the mall, or they all go

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Speaker 1: to your movie and they post it. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's coincidental that Team mental Health has collapsed at the

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Speaker 1: exact same time that phones and social media, because I

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Speaker 1: do think they're connected. Everybody's got them in their pocket.

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Speaker 1: And buck to your point. You can't escape. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you were a kid and you didn't like school

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Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people out there, you

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Speaker 1: might have to be there from seven o'clock to two

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Speaker 1: thirty or whatever it is. But then you get home

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Speaker 1: and you can have your own life outside of that world.

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Speaker 1: It never ends. You're always snapchatting, you're always on group text,

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Speaker 1: you're always interacting. You can't think of develop as your

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Speaker 1: real person.

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Speaker 2: Think about the pressure to create what is effectively your

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Speaker 2: own individual brand online, right Everyone now is a brand

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Speaker 2: in the online social media world, whether you think of

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Speaker 2: yourself that way or not. It's here's my best fishing photos,

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Speaker 2: and like here's me with my family, and like look, How'skuto,

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Speaker 2: my dog is, And we're all anyone who's using so media.

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Speaker 2: Some of our audience isn't on at all, by the way,

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Speaker 2: congratulations list in the radio. They're like, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: mess with any of that stuff. So you guys are

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Speaker 2: and gals are ahead of the curve, but you're the

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Speaker 2: people who are not smoking. You know in nineteen forty

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Speaker 2: when everybody else was smoking all day long, every day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I think.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is it's just a bigger conversation

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Speaker 2: with more facets than just you know, Ben TikTok and

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Speaker 2: like Facebook should be able to be shoed and repeal

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Speaker 2: section two thirty.

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Speaker 1: The people who say repealed section two thirty.

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Speaker 2: The problem is with this is if if you think

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Speaker 2: that that's going to mean that all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: they're going to be these benevolent actors one of these

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Speaker 2: social media companies, it just means they're gonna crack down

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Speaker 2: even more. Actually, they're gonna have even stricter and more

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Speaker 2: arbitrary guidelines that they're using, and they're gonna say, sorry,

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Speaker 2: we got to avoid getting we got to avoid being sued.

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Speaker 2: So it's not as easy as just repealing section two thirty.

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Speaker 2: I know that's a common refrain for people.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 2: This is a complicated thing and humanity has never faced

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Speaker 2: this before.

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Speaker 1: And I would add this as we go to break

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Speaker 1: we'll take some of your calls eight hundred and two

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Speaker 1: two two eight A two. Particularly parents. I'm interested from

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Speaker 1: a lot of your kids are way smarter with tech

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Speaker 1: than we are, right. The parents my oldest son, my

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Speaker 1: wife put up parental safeguards trying to limit how much

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Speaker 1: he could use certain websites, and he knew almost instantaneously

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Speaker 1: how to get around the guards. I mean, he is

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Speaker 1: more sophisticated and native to the space. So even if

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Speaker 1: you are this is where I would say, Buck, even

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Speaker 1: if you're a super engaged parent, and even if you

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Speaker 1: are a parent that is really on top of what

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Speaker 1: your kids are doing online. They are smarter than you

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Speaker 1: about using that in the same way that whatever you

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Speaker 1: your parents were you know, forty five, whatever you were

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Speaker 1: doing then, that was smarter than your parents. They're doing

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Speaker 1: that now, except it's with tech, and so it is.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the most challenging single part of parenting

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Speaker 1: today by far. Let's take some calls on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. And I want to tell you guys, right,

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Speaker 1: what's another challenging part of parenting. I've met a lot

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Speaker 1: of parents out there don't feel like they have great energy, you, Buck.

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Speaker 1: I was the other day thinking about what percentage of

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Speaker 1: Like ninety nine percent right, Like, I almost have no

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Speaker 1: Walcome to an hour number three, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: Show appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about a variety of different topics out there,

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Speaker 1: be joined by the Attorney General of the State of Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Big lawsuit filed this morning the Eastern District of Tennessee

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Speaker 1: for by both Tennessee and Virginia having to do with

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Speaker 1: whether the NC double A has the has the ability

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Speaker 1: to basically police name, image and likeness, endorsement deals and beyond.

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Speaker 1: The Attorney General of Tennessee, Jonathan Scrimetti, joins us now

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Speaker 1: and basically, first of all, I agree with everything you

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Speaker 1: said in your twenty plus page complaint. And I'm curious when,

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Speaker 1: mister Attorney General, when did you guys start working on

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Speaker 1: this case and was the timing impacted it all by

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Speaker 1: reports involving Florida State, Florida, Tennessee and what the NC

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Speaker 1: double A was potentially trying to do there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the timing was absolutely impacted by the enforcement. You know,

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Speaker 4: we've been concerned with these issues for a while, and

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Speaker 4: when we heard that they were starting to ramp up

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Speaker 4: some actual enforcement and some pretty serious penalties, it sounded

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Speaker 4: like easing their eure opaque and shifting rules to hammer

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Speaker 4: kids and hammer programs. It seemed like the right time

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Speaker 4: to make a move. But this has been something we've

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Speaker 4: been monitoring for a while, and then we moved very

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Speaker 4: quickly to be able to do this when we did.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you think other states will sign up and

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Speaker 1: join on here? This is Tennessee and Virginia and basically

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Speaker 1: you're going to war for a lack of a better

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Speaker 1: way of describing it, with the NCAA over their authority.

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Speaker 1: Do you anticipate other states we'll be signing up as well?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard to say. I think it. Part

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Speaker 4: of it depends on which way it goes. If we

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Speaker 4: are just straight up duking it out in court, I

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Speaker 4: think they may conserve resources and maybe some will come in,

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Speaker 4: but maybe they won't, and we're good either way. If

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Speaker 4: there start to be serious negotiations about what the future

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Speaker 4: of college sports is going to look like, I expect

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Speaker 4: a lot of people will try to get in on

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Speaker 4: that conversation. But you know, we're good either way. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we're going to be fighting and the goal is one

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Speaker 4: way or another, we're going to make sure that these

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Speaker 4: student athletes have their rights protected.

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Speaker 2: Hey, mister Attorney generalis Buck, Can you explain and take

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Speaker 2: a step back and just walk me through here and

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Speaker 2: the audience.

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Speaker 1: What is that issue?

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Speaker 2: Exactly what the problems are and how you'd like them

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Speaker 2: to be resolved.

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Speaker 4: Sure. So, college athletes have a right to their name, image,

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Speaker 4: and likeness rights, and they have the right to monetize

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Speaker 4: those rights. That's something that's been recognized fairly recently, and

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Speaker 4: it's created a mess in the rules. The nc doublea's

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Speaker 4: rules have been all over the place. They're not clear,

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Speaker 4: and it's not clear how consistent they are with other laws.

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Speaker 4: Federally anti trust law guarantees people the benefits of market competition,

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Speaker 4: and the way the NCUBA is looking to enforce they're

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Speaker 4: saying that student athletes have no right to talk to

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Speaker 4: collectives about what their nil compensation might be until they've

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Speaker 4: already decided which school they're going to go to, which

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Speaker 4: means there's no competition. They're not able to really negotiate.

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Speaker 4: They're locked in once they're starting to top money as

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Speaker 4: opposed to being able to look at where the best

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Speaker 4: offer might be, and that deprives them of income opportunities.

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Speaker 4: And we have a lot in Tennessee and many other

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Speaker 4: states have similar laws that say they have a right

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Speaker 4: to the income from their name, image and likeness rights,

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Speaker 4: and the federal anti trust laws say you can't suppress

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Speaker 4: the market in a way that hurts the consumers.

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Speaker 1: So what's interesting here to me in general is Buck

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Speaker 1: and I are both capitalists, right, and I would imagine

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of the audience out there that's listening

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Speaker 1: believes in the tenets of capitalism, and one of the

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Speaker 1: best tenets of capitalism is everybody should be able to

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Speaker 1: sell their labor to the highest possible bidder. So really

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Speaker 1: that's what's at stake here. But a second part of

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Speaker 1: this that I find so fascinating is the people that

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Speaker 1: the NCAA is trying to restrict, if you look socioeconomically,

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Speaker 1: are actually often on the lower end of that chart, right,

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Speaker 1: football players and basketball players in particulars, where a lot

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Speaker 1: of this money comes from a lot of those guys

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Speaker 1: going to college and obviously this can impact women as well,

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Speaker 1: but let's focus on the guys for the moment here.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them don't have a tremendous amount of resources.

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Speaker 1: So if you just think about this on a moral level, really,

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Speaker 1: what the NCAA is trying to do is ensure that

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Speaker 1: oftentimes poor kids who don't have a lot of money

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Speaker 1: are not able to sell their talents to the highest

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Speaker 1: possible bidder So, the morality not only the legal aspects

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Speaker 1: of this, which I think you're right on on the

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Speaker 1: antitrust law, but also the morality associated with it. I

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Speaker 1: think you and the State of Virginia to State of

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Speaker 1: Tennessee and State of Virginia are on the right side

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Speaker 1: there too. I mean, I think that factors in here,

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Speaker 1: oh absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean, everybody is getting rich off this, except for

874
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Speaker 4: the kids who are at the core of the product.

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Speaker 4: There wouldn't be college sports without college athletes, and they're

876
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Speaker 4: the ones getting the short end of this stick here,

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Speaker 4: you know. And some of these kids go pro and

878
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Speaker 4: make millions and millions of dollars, some of them get

879
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Speaker 4: injured and they don't have the opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 4: Some of them don't make the cut you know, it

881
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Speaker 4: shouldn't It shouldn't be you know, a dice roll as

882
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Speaker 4: to whether they're going to get any money out of there,

883
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 4: they're athletic endeavors or the name, image, and likeness rights

884
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Speaker 4: associated with that.

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Speaker 1: Tro you've requested a temporary restraining order. Why do you

886
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Speaker 1: think that's appropriate? How would you anticipate that being applied.

887
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Speaker 4: To the window for recruiting opens February seventh, and college athletes,

888
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Speaker 4: Prospective college athletes need to be able to see what

889
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Speaker 4: the different collectives are willing to put up for their

890
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Speaker 4: NIL rights. If they can't do that, then we've got

891
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Speaker 4: a whole year of student athletes who are going to

892
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Speaker 4: be deprived of the benefits of competition and who are

893
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Speaker 4: going to have to just take whatever deal they get

894
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Speaker 4: from the one collective that's not really negotiating with them.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of a take it or leave

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Speaker 4: it offer at that point, and there's going to be

897
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Speaker 4: a lot of money left on the table that would

898
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Speaker 4: otherwise go to these student athletes.

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Speaker 1: Mister Attorney General, this's been fantastic, Congratulations, good luck. I

900
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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure we gave you an opportunity to

901
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Speaker 1: explain that I know You're going to be talking to

902
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Speaker 1: a lot of different media people, but appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: on with us this morning to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: He thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: That is the Attorney General of Tennessee, Jonathan Scermetti. I

906
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Speaker 1: think this is going to turn into a monster story

907
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Speaker 1: about the way that the NCAA is able to basically

908
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Speaker 1: govern college athletics, and I know many of you out

909
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Speaker 1: there are going to be interested in that, so I

910
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk with him. Buck News came down during

911
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Speaker 1: the last break. There is a shift now, and we

912
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Speaker 1: kind of anticipated this would happen with the Federal Reserve.

913
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Speaker 1: They did not lower rates, but they have revised in

914
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Speaker 1: some way their guidance to suggest that they may soon

915
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Speaker 1: be lowering rates. This is important because, as we know,

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Speaker 1: nine months from now, what the economy looks like is

917
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Speaker 1: going to be instrumental in how many different voters out there,

918
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Speaker 1: particularly swing voters, decide to vote. The Fed is now

919
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Speaker 1: setting itself up come spring summer to be lowering rates,

920
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Speaker 1: and that could have a massive impact on the way

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Speaker 1: that people out there voters see the economy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they're gonna pull every lever that they have to

923
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Speaker 2: make the economy seem as good as they can, irrespective

924
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Speaker 2: of what the long term implications for pulling those levers

925
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Speaker 2: may be. But I do think that, you know, you

926
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Speaker 2: got to remember, for a lot of people, if the

927
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Speaker 2: economy is pretty good, and I know the Biden economy

928
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Speaker 2: should be a lot better than it is, but it's

929
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Speaker 2: not a catastrophe, at least not yet.

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Speaker 1: You know.

931
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Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's going to be to

932
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Speaker 2: their to their advantage. It's going to you know, good

933
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Speaker 2: enough turns into good enough economy turns into the devil,

934
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Speaker 2: you know, right, it's like, okay, well it's going okay,

935
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Speaker 2: it's not so bad. And remember Barack Obama won with

936
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Speaker 2: a very weak economy. He won reelection in twenty twelve.

937
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Speaker 2: So I always have that in mind with the president

938
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Speaker 2: is here, and I remember against Mitt Romney, the line was, oh,

939
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Speaker 2: Obama can't win because it's the worst recovery from a

940
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Speaker 2: recession since the Great Depression and worst recovery in like

941
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Speaker 2: seventy years. Right, Well, he did win, and I think

942
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Speaker 2: he won largely because one, well, Obama was kind of

943
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Speaker 2: a special case in a lot of ways for the Democrats,

944
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Speaker 2: but also they were able to define Mitt Romney very early.

945
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Speaker 2: We talked to Ryan Gerdusky about that earlier. Was it

946
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Speaker 2: yesterday where he said that Mitch Romney way, sorry, Mitt Romney,

947
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Speaker 2: Mitch Romney, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney, the super rich,

948
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: out of touch plutocrat. That was pretty much game over.

949
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: That was all that it really took for them to

950
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Speaker 2: and he got crushed in the general election. So I

951
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: think they figure if they can have a decent enough economy,

952
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Speaker 2: it just turns into trash Trump twenty four to seven,

953
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Speaker 2: and maybe they can pull something out.

954
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Speaker 1: I mentioned this, and I want to play this, and

955
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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm gonna duck out and head down

956
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: to Miami, so Buck's gonna close out the show shortly.

957
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: But I did want to play this because I mentioned

958
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Speaker 1: it last hour and I meant to hit it with

959
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: you at the end of the last hour. Josh Holly,

960
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: Senator from Missouri, we've been taking your calls eight hundred

961
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: and two two two eight two on big tech, particularly

962
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: parents and how parents are responding. That's what the hearing

963
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Speaker 1: they're having on Capitol Hill right now is Senator Josh

964
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: Holly and Missouri actually had in a moment that is

965
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: starting to go viral had Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta

966
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Speaker 1: slash Facebook, actually apologized to parents out there who had

967
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: lost children that they attribute to the lack of safeguards

968
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: on social media. Here's what that sounded like.

969
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Speaker 6: You didn't take any action, You didn't fire anybody. You

970
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 6: haven't compensated a single victims. Let me ask you this.

971
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Speaker 6: Let me ask you this. There's families of victims here today.

972
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Speaker 6: Have you apologized to the victim? Would you like to

973
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Speaker 6: do so?

974
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: Now?

975
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 6: Well they're here, you're on national television. Would you like

976
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 6: now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed

977
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Speaker 6: by your product?

978
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Show them the pictures.

979
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 6: Would you like to apologize for what you've done to

980
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 6: these good people?

981
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: I think that's Graviad's grandstand and I think I think

982
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: Holly's a little out of lot. Mark Zuckerberg didn't do

983
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: this to these kids. Okay, that's that's playing to the

984
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: cameras a little too much.

985
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: I know.

986
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: Look, I like Holly, we've had them on. Yeah.

987
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: I think he's printing for the cameras a little bit.

988
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you.

989
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: So Zuckerberg apologized to the families. What's you gonna say?

990
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna apologize to the families and the dead children.

991
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but this is where I would

992
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: come back around. And I haven't heard whether they really grilled.

993
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: I think almost every one of these big tech CEOs

994
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: is a parent, and I would just say to me,

995
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: the part that has always been the most evocative as

996
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: it pertains to their product is they don't let their

997
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: own kids use the products. And across the almost all

998
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: of the big tech company CEOs don't let their kids

999
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: use the product. I'm not a parent, but I read

1000
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: obsessively about everything that I can learn. I would not

1001
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: let my kids, my future kids on social media, probably

1002
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: until they at least fifteen or sixteen years old. Yeah,

1003
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: that's my and I don't know if that's reasonable. That's

1004
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: the choice we made.

1005
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not just saying that because that's what

1006
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: you did. You know, if you know, I tell you, look,

1007
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: you're a paranom not so you've got frontline experience. But

1008
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: I would say, based on what I read and what

1009
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: I know in my own recollection of what it was

1010
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: like to be a you know what it's like to

1011
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: be a thirteen year old, a fourteen year old, and

1012
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: it's very hard people understand as well. You know, the

1013
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: Internet is forever. I mean, that's stuff, stuff that you're posting,

1014
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: stuff that you're writing, even in what you think are

1015
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: private messages. And look, the left is like ruin kids

1016
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: lives because they wrote something racist when they were fourteen

1017
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: years old, right, Twitter, you're right, I mean you can't

1018
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: be held responsible for I mean, you could murder somebody

1019
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: at fourteen, and you're not going to be held responsible

1020
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: for that as an adult, right, I mean, I don't

1021
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: think any jurisdiction would do that. You know, sixteen, they'll

1022
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: try as you an adult, maybe seventeen fourteen, I don't

1023
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: think they would. But if you wrote something really stupid

1024
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: on Twitter twenty years ago or ten years ago, they're

1025
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: going to destroy your life.

1026
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: Right. So these are these are the realities of the

1027
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: world that we're operating in.

1028
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 2: But anyway, I I you know, look with a holly thing,

1029
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: maybe some people feel like that the tech companies just

1030
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: need to get it both barrels, from both houses or

1031
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: from both sides of the Senate. Fine, but you know,

1032
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: there's there's a more specific and nuanced discussion that needs

1033
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: to be had, I think at a national level about

1034
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: how to like when the when parents call into us

1035
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: Clay and they said, this is what I'm doing, and

1036
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: here's how I'm handling it. That's the way to handle

1037
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: this is figuring out the steps to protect your kids.

1038
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: Yelling at a tech ceo who's worth two hundred billion

1039
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: dollars or whatever, it's.

1040
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: Not doing anything. It's just not doing anything. This story

1041
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: is not going away because I think the again, I

1042
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: just come back to the basic graph of mental health.

1043
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: Kids are in a crisis right now, and I don't

1044
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that the crisis started right as

1045
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: social media took off.

1046
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I think there's clear correlation. So

1047
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: we'll get into this more of this text in your

1048
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Speaker 2: call eight hundred two two two aa two. Clay's got

1049
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: to fly down to this lovely place known as Miami,

1050
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: whereright here are very cool people and a lot of

1051
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: fun things and spectacular weather, particularly in late January early February.

1052
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: So I am off and I cannot wait to be

1053
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: able to be in a T shirt.

1054
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Speaker 2: Sorry to our Minnesota audience right now, Yes, Clay is

1055
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Speaker 2: gloating a little bit about the seventy five degree weather

1056
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1062
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