Speaker 1: Oh you fuck with Arsenal, you name every player, because
Speaker 1: when he posted that, I had tears in my eyes.
Speaker 2: I'm like zoring.
Speaker 3: Every day. This man makes everybody fall in love with
Speaker 3: him just a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's I I'm suspicious. I know it's the
Speaker 4: The thing that really fucked me up is him walking
Speaker 4: the length of New York and not get not being
Speaker 4: absolutely drenched and yeah.
Speaker 3: Well okay, I did see a couple of videos where
Speaker 3: clearly he was smart. He wore a white shirt and like,
Speaker 3: if you sweat a lot, it kind of does kind
Speaker 3: of just become this kind of.
Speaker 4: Translate pastes to your body.
Speaker 3: It made me respect him more.
Speaker 2: But there's somebody like my shirt effect and like, whoa,
Speaker 2: he's ripped under there. Then everyone's like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Every everything his messiness like leads to people being like,
Speaker 4: and he's hotter than we thought. Hello the Internet, and
Speaker 4: welcome to season three ninety four, Episode five of Deady's Guy.
Speaker 4: The exciting conclusion of season three ninety four, one of
Speaker 4: my favorite seasons of the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's actually been the best season, one of the best personally,
Speaker 1: I think for us. The amount of kind words that
Speaker 1: have been uttered to us.
Speaker 4: Our guests are like so nice, our listeners even nicer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: the listeners too nice. We've gotten some guest bookings on
Speaker 4: the horizon that we won't reveal as of yet, but
Speaker 4: very exciting. And we've got a guest booking today that
Speaker 4: we're very excited about. You. But this is a podcast
Speaker 4: where we take a deep dab into American shared consciousness.
Speaker 4: It's Friday, June twenty since twenty since twenty seventh, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five. I'm coming in on a full William H.
Speaker 4: Macy and Fargo. I was a sweat flop, sweat everywhere,
Speaker 4: like just doing my best not to punch the steering wheel,
Speaker 4: just being like fuck because I my internet died right
Speaker 4: as we were about to start recording. Drove into the office,
Speaker 4: which is only ten minutes, realized I left my keys
Speaker 4: to the office at home, drove back home. So we're
Speaker 4: coming to you like forty minutes later than we were
Speaker 4: supposed to, all on account of me just having that
Speaker 4: real good William H. Macy, just everything collapsing around the energy,
Speaker 4: But thank you for your patience, My dear co host,
Speaker 4: What's happening on June twenty seven?
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I was just so disappointed Jack that you
Speaker 1: just took so long. It was I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: my abandonment issues, so I had some stuff going on.
Speaker 2: With my family too, is very triggering. I mean, so it's.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's oh look, it's National Sunglasses to Day, National
Speaker 5: onion Day, National ice cream cake Day, National orange blossom Day,
Speaker 5: National HIV Testing Day, and National PTSD Awareness Day.
Speaker 6: So yeah, great, I love a sunglass.
Speaker 2: Do you call it song? Just put my sunglasses a long?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Okay, onions, orange blossoms, great ice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, althay. If I had an HIV tester, you know,
Speaker 4: orange blossoms or any of those things, I would partake
Speaker 4: on those as well. That's that's a weird thing that
Speaker 4: radio DJs are always doing. They're always wearing sunglasses indoors.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like the eighties movie version of a
Speaker 1: radio detail always.
Speaker 4: That's the last time I pitched.
Speaker 1: I think as someone who's worked a radio never seen
Speaker 1: somebody wear shades.
Speaker 2: That was the DJ on.
Speaker 1: The artists will come in on some cool ship and
Speaker 1: wear sunglasses, but the DJ is never they're working, and
Speaker 1: they're always wearing sweatpants.
Speaker 4: I'm too sleepy to wear sunglasses in the morning and
Speaker 4: you think it's put you to sleep. Yeah, just put
Speaker 4: me right asleep. Like, what is the bedtime names Jack
Speaker 4: O'Brien aka let me Sleep, let me slumber? Why the
Speaker 4: hell won't you open up? Are you just stupid? Oh?
Speaker 4: I see your stupid. That one courtesy of New Chris
Speaker 4: New christ Ventures with Old Christine. Is that something I
Speaker 4: don't know? It's something I wrote this morning. It's uh
Speaker 4: that that was a song from written from the perspective
Speaker 4: of my youngest when I wouldn't let him into our
Speaker 4: room when we were trying to do a sleep training.
Speaker 4: Just roasted me for like forty five minutes straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 4: co host, mister Miles grad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, straight off the streets of the San Fernando Valley
Speaker 1: is the Lord of Lankersham, the show gun.
Speaker 2: With no gun.
Speaker 1: It's Miles great. Thank you for having me. It's great
Speaker 1: to be also, it's great to have you Miles. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say up tob des Moines, zeit gang.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in your city this weekend. I
Speaker 1: need recommendations, need to know where where do where do
Speaker 1: the where do the fine people of des Moines. Where
Speaker 1: do ZiT gang go?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Where's the food that I need to eat? I want
Speaker 1: to hear from y'all because I love y'all. Trust y'all,
Speaker 1: And if you see me in the streetside, what's up?
Speaker 1: But but do it you know politely?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, awesome, that'll be fun. I don't know you're
Speaker 4: going to des Moines?
Speaker 2: Yeah for a winning it's.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, I'm not going to miss out on
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the great state of Iowa.
Speaker 4: Never Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in our third
Speaker 4: seat by an award winning playwright whose work has been
Speaker 4: developed and performed at the Public Theater in New York,
Speaker 4: Interact Theater in Philadelphia, the Royal Court in London.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is? What's he doing on this show?
Speaker 4: What is he doing on this show?
Speaker 2: Because you like the show?
Speaker 4: He's written on shows on TV from NBC's Law and Order, SVU,
Speaker 4: BT's American Soul, DMC's critically acclaimed Interview with a Vampire.
Speaker 4: What Oh. He also co hosts the podcast The Inner
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Speaker 2: Brings it back?
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Speaker 4: Please welcome to the show, Hey Zell, Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me. God Williams. But let's
Speaker 3: hear it for Zorn Canada, who actually does shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it won't have it, but we love z all wrong.
Speaker 3: It was good to feel good.
Speaker 6: Doesn't it feel good to feel good?
Speaker 4: It was just all my good feelings were.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I was reading so many takes
Speaker 1: from people who are like, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: leftists progressive have been just sort of conditioned into believing
Speaker 1: something like this was basically beyond reach, like a win
Speaker 1: like that, And I think that's why I was so
Speaker 1: this whole process, We're like.
Speaker 2: Is it okay?
Speaker 1: Is this for real?
Speaker 2: Surely?
Speaker 1: Is this gonna get fucking destroyed? Right, because that's what
Speaker 1: always happens every time this thing happens, and we think, oh,
Speaker 1: we're moving forward, are we tuesday?
Speaker 4: That their inner voice is Natasha Leoni? By the ways, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna happen here.
Speaker 3: I could not believe it, and I refuse to believe
Speaker 3: it until he started talking, like until he gave his speech,
Speaker 3: like I was like, Okay, there this this isn't this
Speaker 3: could happen? I might have to go back. I used
Speaker 3: to live in a story and I left in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, do I do I need to go back?
Speaker 3: Is that what I's happened to?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 2: I need to feel this?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, thank you guys for having me. I love the show,
Speaker 3: big fan.
Speaker 4: Oh thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, insane,
Speaker 4: but we're thrilled to have you. That's how did you
Speaker 4: like this show? You should talk to a therapist about
Speaker 4: liking this show. No, We're that's very nice to hear,
Speaker 4: and we're very happy to have you.
Speaker 2: Very flattered.
Speaker 4: We're going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 4: better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the
Speaker 4: listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We
Speaker 4: are going to talk about Zorn's success and how the
Speaker 4: New York Times is dealing with it, because that's mainly
Speaker 4: what I'm worried about, Like how are they gonna hang
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 3: With this, How they're gonna keep it together?
Speaker 4: How are they gonna keep it together? We'll talk about that.
Speaker 4: We will talk about just what the latest in the
Speaker 4: world of AI. We got a federal judge with an
Speaker 4: AI company and copyright case and all that plenty more.
Speaker 4: But first, Zell, we do like to ask our guests,
Speaker 4: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 4: who you are?
Speaker 3: Ninja rocks? Do you guys know what ninja rocks are?
Speaker 4: No, so it's like pipe rock theory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so rock rock right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Correct, right now? I know ninja rock. So I've
Speaker 3: seen a lot of videos recently of people actively throwing
Speaker 3: their bodies in front of like ice SUVs to keep
Speaker 3: their neighbors from being like a legally kidnapped, and it's
Speaker 3: very impressive. I love that, but I'm really really scared
Speaker 3: because these like chicken shits have no problem adding vehicular
Speaker 3: assaults to like the crimes they're already doing of like
Speaker 3: kidnapping and disappearing people. And then I remembered, or I
Speaker 3: started to remember something from my teenage years which I
Speaker 3: definitely never ever experimented with by the train tracks in Fresno, California,
Speaker 3: called ninja rocks. And basically it's this thing that I
Speaker 3: need to stress is wildly illegal if you are caught
Speaker 3: having them. Everybody needs to understand that. But if the
Speaker 3: choice is between getting hit by a car and spraying
Speaker 3: auto glass in the face of the Gestapo. If you
Speaker 3: take the ceramic from a spark plug.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: The colloquial term for that is ninja rocks. And I
Speaker 3: was thinking one day, like, what was that thing I
Speaker 3: was really fascinated by as a teenager that would make
Speaker 3: like auto glass explode? And I'm just like, at some point,
Speaker 3: the fact that we have allowed the federal government to
Speaker 3: allow mass people to just grab folks on the street
Speaker 3: compared to maybe just having something in case you happen
Speaker 3: to find into a car, it feels weird because like
Speaker 3: I I, you know, I also have lived in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles this entire time during the hellscape. We've all survived somehow,
Speaker 3: some way, guys, and it's been weird to just be
Speaker 3: riding my bike through a perfectly fine neighborhood but also
Speaker 3: have a national conversation about how falling apart, which is
Speaker 3: not true. So, like, I think we all need to
Speaker 3: be looking at alternatives for in case a car happens
Speaker 3: to decide our human life has no value, just saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the options?
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people they're also saying you
Speaker 1: should throw glitter on them glitter is.
Speaker 3: Legal because they can't get it off glitter.
Speaker 1: I've also seen, you know, people being like, how do
Speaker 1: you make spike strips that kind of search term pop up.
Speaker 4: This is just a podcast where we talk about what
Speaker 4: is trending in the zeitgeist, and we're just talking about
Speaker 4: what's trends.
Speaker 3: We're just talking about We're just talking about.
Speaker 4: We're identifying trends and those trends.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The other thing I.
Speaker 1: See too, is like a lot of times you see
Speaker 1: people really like pull their cars around like these uh,
Speaker 1: masked goons whoever the fuck they are, and like try
Speaker 1: and block them in, but then someone comes out with
Speaker 1: like a machine gun and tells them to back up.
Speaker 1: I'm like people just be like parking their car and
Speaker 1: taking the keys out and just split and being like
Speaker 1: all right, yeah try and this rab four.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's it's it's truly wild.
Speaker 1: Like just so many moments you see people who are
Speaker 1: like in total disbelief that they are this is like
Speaker 1: the interaction that they're having, but it's yeah, this is
Speaker 1: just the norm now. And now they're using facial recognition,
Speaker 1: like the the stuff that you like when you enter
Speaker 1: the country and they take a photo of you, they're you.
Speaker 1: They're accessing that data base now to facial like use
Speaker 1: facial recognition to like identify people that are getting in
Speaker 1: the way or like harassing the goons. It's really fucking
Speaker 1: dark out there, so have you.
Speaker 4: So I just I am new to Ninja rocks and
Speaker 4: I do just want to like it. We'll link off
Speaker 4: to this reddit demonstration of what they are, because like
Speaker 4: what just googling it and like your description of it.
Speaker 4: I thought I had a sense of what it was,
Speaker 4: but I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Like big no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like I.
Speaker 4: Was like, oh, a rock, like a ninja star that's
Speaker 4: like a full rock and there's like little points going. Ever, no,
Speaker 4: it's like literally like little shards of a spark that
Speaker 4: come off a spark look and again, illegal to have.
Speaker 3: In your pocket in case the scots stop you. I
Speaker 3: want to stress yet.
Speaker 4: But when you throw just a tiny little thing at
Speaker 4: the glass, the glass shatter, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I feel like better than getting hit by a car.
Speaker 4: And it's harder. Like again, you can't really google it.
Speaker 4: It's it's not that easy to find other than on
Speaker 4: the reddit you can find YouTube.
Speaker 3: I I because I actually could not remember. I thought
Speaker 3: I thought they were called Ninja rocks, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing I came up with when
Speaker 3: I was a kid, because I like ninja turtles or something.
Speaker 3: And then it turns out no, the was Ninja rocks.
Speaker 4: I just love Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: There's from the American Ceramics Society and it said video
Speaker 1: Ninja Rocks exploit ceramics dark side.
Speaker 2: Amazing, Oh the hidden side of cerami.
Speaker 3: Your mother never told you this in pottery class?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Zelle, what's some of the things underrated? Uh?
Speaker 3: Ceres Castle, I think you're ad in mine. So I
Speaker 3: think Seres is LA's best journalist, like working right now.
Speaker 3: She was a guest on my podcast The Inner Cities
Speaker 3: and we did it on YouTube and it's the first
Speaker 3: time we did that and it worked out really well.
Speaker 3: But like cerse has this ability to find local LA
Speaker 3: stories that have impact nationally, and I think she's prominently
Speaker 3: known for exposing sheriff games back in twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: with her piece on La Taco. She has now moved
Speaker 3: to a new group called Capital in Maine, and she
Speaker 3: has been following the story of Aby Hernandez Aby Hernandez
Speaker 3: is a student athlete who has been targeted by their
Speaker 3: own school superintendent for being trans and she has been
Speaker 3: performing very, very well, but she's also being beaten by
Speaker 3: other young women who've identified as women since birth, so
Speaker 3: just proving that there's really no case here. And she's
Speaker 3: having adults who have no children in the school whatsoever,
Speaker 3: come to her meets and harass her. And she was
Speaker 3: also targeted by President Trump and a true social statement,
Speaker 3: which I think again, Soerice is like, has been on
Speaker 3: top of stories that have such deep resonance and that
Speaker 3: you may not even be realizing is happening in your community.
Speaker 3: And I just love her death. So check out series,
Speaker 3: follow her on everything, Follow any journalists she suggests to follow,
Speaker 3: because I gotta be honest with you. I you know,
Speaker 3: also doing a podcast where we talk about the news.
Speaker 3: I basically stop looking at American journalism. When it comes
Speaker 3: to stories about American I go to the Guardian, I
Speaker 3: go to like Lemon because speak a little French. But
Speaker 3: when it comes to yeah, like, when it comes to stories,
Speaker 3: I'm looking directly at the intercept. I'm looking like occasionally wired,
Speaker 3: Wired's still good, but like it's hard. So you got
Speaker 3: to support these Yeah, yeah is the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like hyper local, like deep reporting on stories.
Speaker 1: And so fucking just so devoted to truth and speaking
Speaker 1: truth to power and at any I mean like just
Speaker 1: thinking of the like the harassment she was getting after
Speaker 1: the LASD Gangs thing and just does not stop her.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she ever said this publicly. She
Speaker 3: had to hire a bodyguard during that year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard about that yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's crazy. He's the best, He's amazing, totally.
Speaker 4: What is something you think's over it?
Speaker 3: Unions that don't support other unions and this one might
Speaker 3: get me in trouble. So this spring, the Writers Guild
Speaker 3: of America, which I've been part of since twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: their staff voted to unionize, and I am very thrilled
Speaker 3: for them. I was a Writer's Guild captain during the
Speaker 3: strike in twenty twenty three the entire time. We could
Speaker 3: not have won that without the staff. I don't know
Speaker 3: if people realized it. It wasn't just writers out there.
Speaker 3: The administrators of the staff, the lawyers of the staff,
Speaker 3: the accounts of the staff. They were all there setting
Speaker 3: up our pickets and managing them for us and occasionally
Speaker 3: like dealing with emergency response and instances, so they are amazing.
Speaker 3: They were the backbone of the strike. When the staff
Speaker 3: decided to organize, they were met with what I would
Speaker 3: consider to be a little more resistance than I would
Speaker 3: hope from another union, and it was really disappointing. The
Speaker 3: most upsetting thing of this is that the the WGA
Speaker 3: fired a labor labor organizer named Fatima Mareta, and Fatima
Speaker 3: was an organizer for La Hotels before she came to
Speaker 3: us to help out, and she really did this groundwork
Speaker 3: to make it more than just like TV writers demanding
Speaker 3: more money. We were picketing and marching with hotel workers
Speaker 3: in this town, and we showed up at their rallies.
Speaker 3: It was really really amazing, and I felt I felt
Speaker 3: really for the first time, particularly being like a working
Speaker 3: class kid who whose mom had a union job, and
Speaker 3: that's the only reason I was able to go to
Speaker 3: college and become a writer in from Fresno, which I
Speaker 3: feel like people don't understand how far that is from
Speaker 3: LA even though it's not really that far from LA,
Speaker 3: it's very far from LA. I felt a kinship and
Speaker 3: a community that I have not really felt all the time,
Speaker 3: I without being in the actual thing, in the actual
Speaker 3: like Writers Guild Staff Union, which is what it's called,
Speaker 3: the Writers' Guild Staff Union. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3: They said they let her go from cause, but the
Speaker 3: union itself is asking the Writers Guild to reinstate Fatima,
Speaker 3: and I really support this. I really really am saddened
Speaker 3: that this has been the reaction of the Writers Guild
Speaker 3: because I showed up at three am for pickets because
Speaker 3: my union asked me too. When I was harassed by
Speaker 3: studio lots during this picket, I still showed up. When
Speaker 3: I was sometimes harassed by WGA members who didn't like
Speaker 3: me asking them to not get hit by a car,
Speaker 3: I still showed up. And I will always have more
Speaker 3: solidarity with Fatima, who is an immigrant who worked for
Speaker 3: like working class people in this town than I ever
Speaker 3: will the like white millionaires who were constantly giving speeches
Speaker 3: and telling me what to do that time. I'm really upset.
Speaker 3: If I could give a piece of action to people
Speaker 3: to zeitgang like, go to their instagram, the WGA Staff
Speaker 3: Union Instagram and just follow them and say congratulations. That's
Speaker 3: all you have to do. If you are a WGA member,
Speaker 3: and this is the first time you're hearing about this.
Speaker 3: You need to ask your captain why this happened and
Speaker 3: let them know that it upsets you because she was
Speaker 3: an amazing labor organizer. And it's really really sad what
Speaker 3: the guilds do. They're not even talking about it. They
Speaker 3: said she was fired for cause, and I know enough
Speaker 3: people in the staff to know that that's not a
Speaker 3: good enough answers.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 3: I will say, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So's the staff of the Guilt newly.
Speaker 3: Formed in April. They they fired her the day before
Speaker 3: they announced their formation, which is sus Writers Guild Staff Union.
Speaker 3: Is what you should look for on Instagram. Just follow them,
Speaker 3: and if you're in the guild, be nice, be nice
Speaker 3: about asking the question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, great, overhanded, underrated.
Speaker 4: We are gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We're gonna come back.
Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about We're gonna check in on our
Speaker 4: friends at the New York Times see how they're dealing
Speaker 4: with all this upheaval, all the stunning, shocking changes of
Speaker 4: be right back and we're back, We're back, and yeah,
Speaker 4: so I just I just want to read the headline
Speaker 4: and then the sort of subhead from the New York
Speaker 4: Times one Zorn's mayoral win primary win, uh said, Donnie
Speaker 4: success in mayoral primary reverberates beyond New York City. Yeah
Speaker 4: that makes sense, yeah, yeah yeah. And then as Zorammdanni
Speaker 4: pledges major changes after his apparent primary win, national Democrats
Speaker 4: are looking for lessons and Republicans see a new political target.
Speaker 4: So that's the headline that you would have if the
Speaker 4: Democrats like that sounds like it's bad news for the Democrats. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the Democrats are looking for answers or lessons and the
Speaker 4: Republicans are licking their chops.
Speaker 3: I mean that the news for them because he's showing
Speaker 3: that like, if you actually give people what they want,
Speaker 3: they will vote for you. And now the Democrats are
Speaker 3: going to have to do that for shame.
Speaker 6: What I didn't read the article.
Speaker 1: When they say they're looking for lessons, Did they mean
Speaker 1: that to say this is potentially a new path for Democrats,
Speaker 1: like they can learn from this, or they're like how
Speaker 1: did they fuck up? And not added to Quomo not
Speaker 1: win lessons a.
Speaker 4: Little bit of that. I mean, there's there's a lot
Speaker 4: of donors in there who are like, well, we're just
Speaker 4: gonna have to solidify behind Mayor Eric Adams now. And
Speaker 4: then there's one donor who said, I feel like people
Speaker 4: misunderstood my two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for Cuomo
Speaker 4: for real enthusiasm. It was basically, oh, looks like Cuomo's
Speaker 4: coming back. We don't want to be shut out. Let's
Speaker 4: try and get on his good side.
Speaker 3: I wish I had two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: I could spend unenthusiastically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like, oh, don't mix that up for enthusias.
Speaker 1: That's just a cour that's a cool quest, or a
Speaker 1: million just just to keep my name a little just
Speaker 1: in the conversation.
Speaker 2: That's it. Don't take that.
Speaker 4: Don't want to be shut out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I mean it was that or
Speaker 3: another another house that I could flip. So I just
Speaker 3: decided one less flippable house.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah, already have five of those. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But it's just I don't know. It seems like so
Speaker 4: much of the democratic establishment is powered by either people
Speaker 4: voting for them or donating to them, because that's who
Speaker 4: they think always wins, and they're like the lesser of
Speaker 4: two evils. That's really like, how where their power comes from,
Speaker 4: and their brand is currently catastrophic failure to do the
Speaker 4: obvious thing they needed to do to win. That's what
Speaker 4: the last big moment they had, Well, they give it.
Speaker 3: Let them fail so that in nine months then they
Speaker 3: can say, look how they fail and we'll all be dead.
Speaker 3: But they can.
Speaker 6: Say that, right, like how we killed our base.
Speaker 4: Whoops, it's really giving Nico And like the the Luca trade,
Speaker 4: it's just bad because I just like the what the
Speaker 4: Democrats did in the twenty twenty four election, where like
Speaker 4: they came in, had like a little spark at the start,
Speaker 4: and we're like, we're gonna call them weird, We're gonna
Speaker 4: like talk about price gouging and shit like that, and
Speaker 4: then immediately started like tacking right and just ignoring what
Speaker 4: everybody in their base like knew they should do. Is like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's giving Nico. Like the ninety eight percent of
Speaker 4: their fans and supporters would have done a better job
Speaker 4: than they just did. And it was like a highly public,
Speaker 4: highly consequential this series of decisions that they just failed
Speaker 4: at in a way that we were like, well that
Speaker 4: seems wrong, like over and over repeatedly.
Speaker 3: You know what, I mean yes, and it's the same
Speaker 3: thing they did in twenty twenty. I won't. I'm still
Speaker 3: upset about March twenty twenty when Bernie was doing okay
Speaker 3: and then like Amy klover Jar and Buddha Judge and
Speaker 3: everybody was just like, oh shit, let's just jump behind
Speaker 3: the centrist and it's it's it's them attacking what their
Speaker 3: voters actually want like they it's it's it's we're never
Speaker 3: going to freaking learn this lesson of doing slow Fascism
Speaker 3: is what I think the Democrats are pitching to us,
Speaker 3: because it's like they keep saying like, oh, democracy is
Speaker 3: in danger. We have to do things that like actually
Speaker 3: in it, like energize people, and then Zoron comes out
Speaker 3: here and is like, I'm a freezer rent. I'm actually
Speaker 3: going to do some price controls for food. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying you got a shop at the NYC grudge shop
Speaker 3: at the grit do it. I don't care. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make buses fast and free. None of this is bad.
Speaker 3: Like the fact that the Democrats, which are supposed to
Speaker 3: be the opposition party, have like you know, Hakim Jeffries,
Speaker 3: I think a couple like right after the election finally
Speaker 3: said like I'm gonna sit down and talk to this
Speaker 3: or really really like a year into his or two
Speaker 3: years into him running for this seat, you finally decided
Speaker 3: that you're going to You're going to stand for the
Speaker 3: guy who is not the sexual predator. You're going to
Speaker 3: stand for the guy who was not killing people's grandmas.
Speaker 3: And like it's I'm still trying to understand why Andrew
Speaker 3: Cuomo thought he could come back, because it's like that
Speaker 3: was three years ago. Dog like some of us have
Speaker 3: like COVID brain, but not that I remember my grandma.
Speaker 1: That you did. The established I mean, I think all
Speaker 1: these establishment Democrats, whether they're like part of the infrastructure
Speaker 1: of the party or the politicians themselves, they just think
Speaker 1: it's it's still nineteen ninety eight or some shit like
Speaker 1: they're thinking is stuck there and they don't even see
Speaker 1: like what the what the consequences are of them constantly
Speaker 1: knocking back a perceived leftist or hyper ultra left wing
Speaker 1: policy in favor for something that looks more like two.
Speaker 4: Thousand and four Republicans yea, And they're like they're pitches
Speaker 4: fascism you can sleep through. And he's like, change that
Speaker 4: you can believe in, and they're like, I think we
Speaker 4: want the fascism you can sleep through. I think that's
Speaker 4: what people prefer. They've been doing it for like a
Speaker 4: decade now. It's it's brunch. Fascism is what you can get,
Speaker 4: and that's pretty what. You know.
Speaker 1: Some people are insulated enough that they're fine with a
Speaker 1: world like that, but the majority of us that live
Speaker 1: in this country are absolutely not. And I think they
Speaker 1: don't realize that. Every time they knock one of these
Speaker 1: policies back, they're saying fuck you to all the people
Speaker 1: that stood to benefit from that policy. They don't realize that.
Speaker 1: But when they say every time they don't take action
Speaker 1: on police brutality and shit like that, they lose people. Okay,
Speaker 1: every time they've pump faked codifying row, they lose people.
Speaker 1: Every Time they don't take aggressive action to fight corporate greed,
Speaker 1: they lose people. Every time they don't they fucking fail
Speaker 1: the dreamers. They lose people. So how the fuck do
Speaker 1: they think they're gonna get him back by being like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do some really cheeky rezoning to help some
Speaker 1: you know, this luxury condo will have fourteen affordable units,
Speaker 1: within it.
Speaker 4: Like at a time and place of our choosing. That's
Speaker 4: the summary of just being like we're gonna do that
Speaker 4: at a time and place of our choosing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they realize, you know, because again,
Speaker 3: so much of the power in the Democratic Party is
Speaker 3: either old or is capitulating to the old I e.
Speaker 2: Hockey and Jeffries.
Speaker 3: And it's just like they don't realize the word socialism
Speaker 3: is not it's not nineteen fifty eight. Like kids aren't
Speaker 3: scared of that.
Speaker 2: Like most like nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3: In this I mean they talk like it's nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3: I mean like fucking day after, not even a day
Speaker 3: after he wins. It's just like there's gonna be a
Speaker 3: nine eleven in New York.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be his fault.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, okay, first of all, whatever, I don't
Speaker 3: know where to begin.
Speaker 1: With that, but like because oh, because it was Juliani's
Speaker 1: fault too, Is that what I know?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I was just saying because he's a Muslim, that that's
Speaker 1: that that equals nine to eleven. Okay, cool, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're naked. Islamophobia also ain't hidden.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I don't think. I don't think my niece.
Speaker 3: I have a five sisters, so I have billion nieces
Speaker 3: and laftews. I don't think these kids under like they're
Speaker 3: not even kids anymore, most of young adults, but like
Speaker 3: socialism is not a scary thing to them. Like a
Speaker 3: lot of them, they grew up in a world where
Speaker 3: they could see a kid in a country that had
Speaker 3: like socialist leaders, and they're fine. They're perfectly fine. I'm
Speaker 3: and I'm a big fan of France. I talk about
Speaker 3: it way too much, as my friend tell me. But
Speaker 3: like the mayor of France is a socialist France. Yeah,
Speaker 3: an Hildago, she's this amazing socialist who has been pushing
Speaker 3: through like things like making France even more. Sorry, Mayor,
Speaker 3: I said, Mayor France, forget me, don't judge me French people.
Speaker 7: American right now, I know, Oh god, you have no
Speaker 7: idea how deeply you cut me by pointing that out
Speaker 7: the mayor of Paris.
Speaker 1: I was confused because I was willing to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe that this is just a position.
Speaker 3: I no, no, no, no, no, I wish, Mayor, I actually
Speaker 3: I don't wish, but like an Hildago, the mayor of Paris,
Speaker 3: specific with the city of Parents, which is not France.
Speaker 3: I know that French people forgive me uh is a
Speaker 3: socialist and has been making the city bikable and walkable.
Speaker 3: And guess what, she's not the left most leftist party
Speaker 3: in the country. Like it's it's there are wonderful things
Speaker 3: that can happen if your party makes their core. We
Speaker 3: actually want to distribute wealth and resources, and and younger
Speaker 3: people know that. And frankly, I think they I think
Speaker 3: they finally understand that we've been conning them this whole
Speaker 3: time with this idea that like America just is the best.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, we can I got, I got fucking TikTok.
Speaker 3: Like I can see people going to like on vacation
Speaker 3: for months.
Speaker 4: And America once. That's why they're undermining us. Yeah, that's exactly,
Speaker 4: That's how they That's how they win.
Speaker 1: America is like a like a like an ultra sports
Speaker 1: car from the eighties. But every year you get further
Speaker 1: from the eighties, the more it looks like shit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And you're like, oh, no, bro
Speaker 1: blowing up in that. It looks fucking weird now, and
Speaker 1: people are like, hey man, it's a Ferrari or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's a Doorian.
Speaker 4: These yeah, could really go for like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1: But like what Zorin is even you know, a lot
Speaker 1: his policies aren't necessarily like capital s socialism either, Like
Speaker 1: these are things like that you would have seen FDR
Speaker 1: like get behind. It's like, hey man, we got to
Speaker 1: make some food affordable. How about we expand the ability
Speaker 1: for people to take care of their kids and you know,
Speaker 1: but these again, these are things that are just straight
Speaker 1: to the point because he's consistent around the concept of
Speaker 1: shit costs too much and we need to do something
Speaker 1: that the people will actually feel like when you say it,
Speaker 1: they go, ah, yes, that rather than bureaucratic like wonk
Speaker 1: talk and they're like, oh great, a three point the
Speaker 1: three percent, Like what.
Speaker 2: Like you start talking shit like that.
Speaker 1: People don't understand free buses, yes, right, price controlled supermarket great, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, free things for new parents, how dare you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But that's why I think it's so dangerous, so difficult
Speaker 4: for the mainstream to deal with is just the one
Speaker 4: thing that they had that the Democrats had was the
Speaker 4: idea that they were the path, like they were the
Speaker 4: practical path, like the you know, socialism is nice in theory,
Speaker 4: you can't win elections. It scares people, and then you.
Speaker 3: Know, people wildly vote for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then everybody.
Speaker 2: Votes for it.
Speaker 4: And there I think now they're like, well, it doesn't
Speaker 4: you can't actually do it. But I just want to
Speaker 4: read this other quote from the article. But with Democrats
Speaker 4: shut out of power in Washington and focused on taking
Speaker 4: back the House next year, it remains unclear how closely
Speaker 4: senior lawmakers will embrace mister Momdani as they try to
Speaker 4: flip battleground districts where his far left stances might alienate voter.
Speaker 4: It is, of course no acknowledgment that this very publication
Speaker 4: where this is being written was saying this very same
Speaker 4: thing about his policies in New York City, right, Like
Speaker 4: they were like New York is tacked right and like
Speaker 4: traditionally like they've been open to voting for Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 4: Oh and also it is the like this is said
Speaker 4: elsewhere in the article, it is the fucking capital of capitalism.
Speaker 2: It is the.
Speaker 4: Capital of capitalism. They just voted for a socialist and
Speaker 4: they're like, well that couldn't work anywhere else.
Speaker 1: Oh, so said it couldn't work there as far as
Speaker 1: I know, those ago those people don't eat food or
Speaker 1: have babies to take care of in that in those
Speaker 1: battle ground states.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if these policies will fucking appeal, Like,
Speaker 2: are be for real?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Where is this place they're talking about? Because like
Speaker 3: I will Okay, granted again, I come from Fresnoe, California.
Speaker 3: It's a very conservative air part of California. They may be,
Speaker 3: they may still be afraid of like the term socialism,
Speaker 3: But if you just talk to people about like, yo,
Speaker 3: do you want your house to be like less expensive? Right,
Speaker 3: they're down? Would you like eggs to just be a
Speaker 3: normal price? Again?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Absolutely down for it? Like do you have a problem
Speaker 3: giving a new mother some supplies to get started with?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: What what? What kind of monster would? No one is
Speaker 3: against these policies. They're against the the fear mongering that
Speaker 3: you do around it. They're against this idea that somehow
Speaker 3: raising the tax on the wealthiest people in your town
Speaker 3: is going to impact most people, when in actuality, if
Speaker 3: you go back to when you keep talking about what
Speaker 3: America was great, those people would have been paying like
Speaker 3: fifty percent taxes.
Speaker 2: It's insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like and then I think people people
Speaker 1: are beginning to realize that like all the fear around
Speaker 1: you know, a wealth like progressive taxes on the wealthy,
Speaker 1: they're they're ambiently getting all that fear from the media
Speaker 1: that they fund, you know what I mean. So like
Speaker 1: at a certain point of taka, like, do I know
Speaker 1: somebody who's actually get fucked over by these progressive wealth taxes?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Actually I stand a benefit from all these other policies.
Speaker 2: So this is a dec There's also.
Speaker 1: Like the amount of just bed pissing from the Democratic
Speaker 1: consultant class is so telling that I think that they
Speaker 1: are I think they do see that they are losing.
Speaker 2: Their grip a bit, like on the party.
Speaker 1: And because this is where it's getting real, Like we've
Speaker 1: been saying since the election, like the next fight for
Speaker 1: the Democrats is who is going to be at the
Speaker 1: wheel of this party. Is it going to be the progressives,
Speaker 1: Is it going to be where all this energy is
Speaker 1: right now? Or are they going to do everything they
Speaker 1: can to just rest control again and drag this thing
Speaker 1: to the right. This one strategist told political quote, it
Speaker 1: is extremely alarming that the only candidates who genuinely excite
Speaker 1: our voters are the ones making absolutely insane promises on
Speaker 1: politically toxic positions. That's their take on what has just happened.
Speaker 1: That's how they're trying to spin that, is that like,
Speaker 1: this is all fucking stupid quote leaving us in the
Speaker 1: spot of trying to execute on bad policy and losing
Speaker 1: terribly or failing to keep our promises, and reinforcing the
Speaker 1: idea that all politics is bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, So.
Speaker 1: Again, I think we're saying all of their reflexive habits
Speaker 1: of just spending money on studies and going for a
Speaker 1: superficial deregulation and like zoning reform is just not working anymore,
Speaker 1: And I think this must be This feels kind of
Speaker 1: like probably what never trumpers were thinking when Trump stepped
Speaker 1: on the scene in twenty fifteen, that were like they
Speaker 1: did fucking everything. They're like, bro, get this guy out
Speaker 1: of here. He's doesn't know what the fuck time. It is,
Speaker 1: like we have our own neo con shit that we're
Speaker 1: on that we're really we've protected this thing. We have
Speaker 1: all the money, we control the media. Let's say we
Speaker 1: can get this guy out the box.
Speaker 2: But they fucking couldn't.
Speaker 6: They could not, They couldn't. And he's still fucking won.
Speaker 1: And I think he just again he had an appeal
Speaker 1: sadly to the voters that felt like the party wasn't
Speaker 1: really following through on their like racial grievances, and Trump
Speaker 1: was there for that, and they're like, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm kind of what I've been missing,
Speaker 1: really and in this, in this and with Mamdani, he's
Speaker 1: appealing to the voters who are fucking sick and tired
Speaker 1: of the Democrats just failing to liver and just talking
Speaker 1: around things getting better, and they don't realize that that's
Speaker 1: what's happening. It's like the ship gets hollowed out and
Speaker 1: somebody's offering what you want.
Speaker 2: They're all gonna move.
Speaker 1: This way now, so and there, And again you look
Speaker 1: at all the money they spent trying to smear mom Donnie,
Speaker 1: like all the those fucked up attack ads trying to
Speaker 1: paint him as a terrorist and ship. And he's still
Speaker 1: fucking won. And I think again, there's I think they're
Speaker 1: they're starting to be like, fuck man like, but but
Speaker 1: we don't do stuff that's going against the status quo.
Speaker 2: We're they're a fuck.
Speaker 6: We're the constant gardeners of the status quo.
Speaker 3: And he won by getting people to go out again, Like,
Speaker 3: can we just acknowledge that the big factor of last
Speaker 3: the last presidential election was a lot of people just
Speaker 3: did not want to vote because you gave them the
Speaker 3: choice between the crazy guy that they had experienced already
Speaker 3: and somebody who was doing a fucking whistle stop tour
Speaker 3: with Liz Cheney, Like you we need.
Speaker 2: To excite people. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were like, you know, what would be a
Speaker 4: ideas if we ran against Trump with something that is
Speaker 4: as close to Jeb Bush as possible, the person that
Speaker 4: he'd be in the very first place to make it
Speaker 4: clear to everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please class, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna add did you guys see Bill
Speaker 3: Ackman's like frantic midnight tweet I heard about People were
Speaker 3: saying him and Elon's tweets were real something that night
Speaker 3: of the primary. What was his I either, So it's
Speaker 3: it's again He's not. I'm not saying Bill Ackman is
Speaker 3: a part of the Democratic Party. I am saying he's
Speaker 3: one of these people who would literally give money to
Speaker 3: anyone who would stop progressive from doing anything, But, like
Speaker 3: he literally said, I woke up in the morning gravely
Speaker 3: concerned about New York City. I thought, what.
Speaker 8: Has New York City become that it avowts of an
Speaker 8: avowed socialist has supported, who supported defunding the police, whose
Speaker 8: solution to lowering food prices is city owned supermarkets, Who
Speaker 8: doesn't understand that freezing the rent will only reduce the
Speaker 8: supply of housing, who has no experience managing organists, let
Speaker 8: alone a city of one hundred million, one hundred billion
Speaker 8: dollar budget and two trillion dollar economy, and who believes
Speaker 8: that chance of globalizing the are acceptable? When's the democratic primary?
Speaker 8: And it's just like every time I see something like that.
Speaker 8: By the way, that's the first paragraph of I don't
Speaker 8: even know how many paragraphs I'm looking.
Speaker 3: At here, God, but like he is looking literally for
Speaker 3: anyone to run against him, and basically saying, I will
Speaker 3: fucking destroy democracy in the city of New York before
Speaker 3: I allow these people to have a progressive.
Speaker 2: Lead, right, And because they see what time it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I'm my big fear and concern, And
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are smarter people working with Zoron who
Speaker 3: who have thought about this is that the Democratic, the
Speaker 3: mainstream establishment Democratic Party having the chance to get like
Speaker 3: Bill Eichman money, will trade the city of New York
Speaker 3: for that money. And that is what I think we
Speaker 3: all need to be looking out for because if we don't,
Speaker 3: if I'm judging the Democratic Party for the for the
Speaker 3: next election based on how strongly they support Zorahan going out,
Speaker 3: because like the man did it.
Speaker 4: He did it.
Speaker 3: He fought, he fought an established democratic machine legacy, NEPO baby,
Speaker 3: he fought the billionaires who were giving him money. He
Speaker 3: fought the general racism of America, and he got people
Speaker 3: to show up. And if you can't get behind that,
Speaker 3: I don't even know if this country even has an
Speaker 3: opposition party, the rope up Republicans anymore.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's where I think talk, like serious
Speaker 1: talk has to be about, like where where does this
Speaker 1: energy go? Because it can't be put They can't be
Speaker 1: trusted with the Democrats at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it has to, right, like the Democrats
Speaker 4: just need to fucking step up, because yeah, and good luck.
Speaker 1: But again, the thing is right, all of these this
Speaker 1: donor class, the consultant class, they see that all this
Speaker 1: energy is coming from young people, normal people who aren't
Speaker 1: wealthy and are starting to realize, oh, this this inequality
Speaker 1: is fucked up, and for them, they're like, shit.
Speaker 6: Man, they're fucking realizing that we're fucking drink. We've been
Speaker 6: drinking their fucking milkshake for centuries now, and they're getting
Speaker 6: behind policies that are actually going to address that.
Speaker 3: I don't want to live in that world.
Speaker 4: We need to stop him. Have you guys ever seen
Speaker 4: Dark Knight Rises? I'm aware, yes, yesterday there's a guy
Speaker 4: who went on MSNBC and was like, they're talking eat
Speaker 4: the Rich. Have you ever seen Dark Knight Rises? The
Speaker 4: part where they make the stockbrokers walk on frozen river
Speaker 4: and then they fall through? That's I mean, I'm just
Speaker 4: saying like, that's like, he's a lot of stammers. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was evoking bane, which is always the sign that
Speaker 4: they're in a uh in touch with three.
Speaker 3: I think people forget how Gotham City got, how Gotham
Speaker 3: was people were treated like shit, and eventually a rich
Speaker 3: person got got and one rich person was like, maybe
Speaker 3: I'll do something about.
Speaker 2: This on my watch.
Speaker 4: A let's take a quick break, we'll be right back,
Speaker 4: and we're back and update in the world of AI.
Speaker 4: A federal judge just ruled in favor of Anthropic, the
Speaker 4: very not evil sounding AI company, and declared that artificial
Speaker 4: intelligence developers can train models using published books without authors consent.
Speaker 4: Cool cool cool for thoroughly transformative. Is exceedingly transformative, is
Speaker 4: what the judge said.
Speaker 2: I haven't looked into is.
Speaker 4: This judge, Like, is this judge an AI? Are they
Speaker 4: funded by the decision filed Monday and US District Court
Speaker 4: for the Northern District of California. Huh, yeah, what's up
Speaker 4: in Northern California.
Speaker 6: I don't know, like it's one of them, Valley the Silicone.
Speaker 4: Or something, but it was. The suit was brought by
Speaker 4: several authors who didn't grant permission for their books to
Speaker 4: be used to train AM models, and the judge was like,
Speaker 4: that's tough shit. I guess right, yeah, which you know,
Speaker 4: some people have pointed out, like I don't know this.
Speaker 4: There there are some limits to this, but it does
Speaker 4: create a precedent for courts to favor AI companies over
Speaker 4: individuals in AI copyright disputes, and obviously AI companies pretty
Speaker 4: well funded as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're sure the precedent is there. But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are saying like that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean every every court will follow suit.
Speaker 2: But it but it does.
Speaker 1: I mean there is a precedent now, But I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just you know, the slow, slow creep to
Speaker 1: I think, like the large the biggest thing for me,
Speaker 1: and you hear a lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 1: creative people and artists talk about this in different ways.
Speaker 1: Is like, how like, really it's not just like that
Speaker 1: the works can be used to just make AI slop
Speaker 1: that it can slowly erode our like humanity and our
Speaker 1: will to create things from our own minds, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And having these tools like that. I'm
Speaker 1: sure obviously I think that people who are compelled to
Speaker 1: create will always do that. But broadly, if it's like
Speaker 1: becomes so easy by and I just type the words
Speaker 1: in and now here's a video of the Pope of
Speaker 1: you know, making a pizza out of a bed sheet
Speaker 1: or whatever, You're like, this is really going to sounds
Speaker 1: so sick, that is I look, I just did the
Speaker 1: anthropic was pretty cool. But I just all that to
Speaker 1: say is I can really see how this really disincentivizes
Speaker 1: just even like the learning of an artistic skill. When
Speaker 1: when things become created so like out of thin air
Speaker 1: so easily, And I think that's just like kind of
Speaker 1: the freaky part I think about all the time, like.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: You know, like when anyone can do everything, not to
Speaker 1: say that that's a bad thing, but what does that
Speaker 1: mean for the process of creating things?
Speaker 3: I think you have hit on that because we talked
Speaker 3: about this during the strike all the time, because you know,
Speaker 3: we were AI was kind of new in the conversation
Speaker 3: and we're like, what if they replaced us? And then
Speaker 3: we started seeing what AI made and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: this is a dog shit yeah, and it'll get better,
Speaker 3: I'm sure as it steals from more people. But like,
Speaker 3: at its core, there's this thing that I don't think
Speaker 3: people are really thinking about.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear what a computer has to
Speaker 3: say about being a black man in America. Miles. I
Speaker 3: don't know about you, but like.
Speaker 2: I'm open, let's see where they're going with us.
Speaker 6: Let's see where this racist day I might be going
Speaker 6: with this day.
Speaker 3: It's going to make like the people engage with art
Speaker 3: because it resonates with them, and generally people want to
Speaker 3: feel a human connection to the source of the art.
Speaker 3: I am sorry if you you might be able to
Speaker 3: trick people into thinking that, you know, oh, let's just
Speaker 3: let's let's pretend that like Fucking Sinners was made by AI.
Speaker 3: Ryan's been lying to us this whole time, right, and
Speaker 3: we saw this, this movie that was created by AI.
Speaker 3: Once you realize that people not only not only do
Speaker 3: people lose engagement with the art and with what they create,
Speaker 3: but it loses its place in the in the zeitgeist,
Speaker 3: that is that is what this and this is what
Speaker 3: you cannot teach a lot of these like tech bros
Speaker 3: And executives. That's what art is is that at its
Speaker 3: core is it is a thing that connects with people.
Speaker 3: Like Barbie is America's most if you really think about it,
Speaker 3: Barbie's in one of America's most absurdist films. When you
Speaker 3: think about it, it is about adult who lives in
Speaker 3: an existence and then somehow magically trans transfers into reality
Speaker 3: and has to deal with the oppressive the oppressive force
Speaker 3: of misogyny. Like that is a crazy concept, and the
Speaker 3: thing that makes it work is the connection that everyone
Speaker 3: feels to having struggled against that, and I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I'm again, I'm a writer. I obviously have a stake
Speaker 3: in this, but like I I think that at I
Speaker 3: think that as you go farther down this, it's going
Speaker 3: to there's gonna be We're already seeing like fewer and
Speaker 3: fewer returns from AI, Like people know what AI slop
Speaker 3: is if you're under the age of fifty and you care.
Speaker 2: And they don't like it, Like people.
Speaker 3: Are actively rejecting it. Also, it's fucking boiling our fucking ocean,
Speaker 3: right yeah, to your point of like I was listening
Speaker 3: to some track online and I was like, what.
Speaker 6: The fuck is this just kind of freaky sample they got.
Speaker 1: Come to find out it's this French guy who just
Speaker 1: like cooks up AI samples and then like flips them.
Speaker 6: They don't really describe themselves as an artist.
Speaker 1: But for me, I immediately was like, ah, all right,
Speaker 1: like whatever, like it just like it's like to your
Speaker 1: point in like, oh, this was so much more impressive
Speaker 1: when you when you cause again someone who makes music,
Speaker 1: like you know the time it takes to find a sample,
Speaker 1: to to mess with it, to alter it and be
Speaker 1: something new, and it's just like, oh no, I just
Speaker 1: just do this to kind of find like weird stuff
Speaker 1: and I make other things. It just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just completely took the enjoyment out of it for me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's true, like you you want to
Speaker 1: connect to another person's creative process through enjoying their art.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like people mainly use it. It's like this
Speaker 4: look how like weird and like bad this shit, Like
Speaker 4: that's the one place I've seen people be like the
Speaker 4: hallucination is the point kind of like when the computer
Speaker 4: gets really weird and you feel like you're looking at
Speaker 4: someone's brain melting, like that's the only good thing.
Speaker 3: But that's such a good point.
Speaker 4: That almost feels like it's just like when someone's like
Speaker 4: playing a guitar and like shredding the string, you know,
Speaker 4: like it's just it's like the fun of it is
Speaker 4: it being used against its purpose.
Speaker 3: The most popular AI is AI that looks like shit,
Speaker 3: so we can laugh at it. Yeah, always what it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah all right, well Zelle again, sorry for the truncated
Speaker 4: run time. That is my fault, but it's been a truth.
Speaker 4: I having you and we can't wait to have you back.
Speaker 4: Uh where can people find you? Follow you? Hear you
Speaker 4: all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: You can go to the Inner Cities podcast wherever you
Speaker 3: get podcasts. We started doing video podcast as well. You
Speaker 3: can go do YouTube dot com slash at the Inner
Speaker 3: Cities and you can see the interview I did with series.
Speaker 3: And I'm azel Will on most things. I have a
Speaker 3: website called azel Will dot com, my Blue Sky and
Speaker 3: my ig or azel Will and uh oh yeah. You
Speaker 3: can find me on Twitch and I'm actually starting to
Speaker 3: do this experiment of writing plays live if you want
Speaker 3: to see a playwright struggle writing plays live on Tuesday
Speaker 3: nights and then other times I'm on Twitch getting my
Speaker 3: ass beat in Street Fighter six, so you can see
Speaker 3: that as well.
Speaker 2: So what do you mean?
Speaker 3: Oh oh, Aki Aki is the best and anybody Punk
Speaker 3: the God has said a lot of shit about Aki.
Speaker 3: You need to stop talking about my girl. You're mad
Speaker 3: because you know she's good Punk. I respect you, don't
Speaker 3: don't come at me. I'm sorry. If you know the FGC,
Speaker 3: if you know the Fighting game community, I just stepped
Speaker 3: to a person I should not and I already regret it.
Speaker 3: I am the j Cole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mean that. I mean that.
Speaker 3: Please leave alone.
Speaker 2: Please. People were pressuring me to have that response and
Speaker 2: it was misguided. Yeah, don't please, don't blame Kendrick.
Speaker 4: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Duster On HBO Max, there's a new show by jj
Speaker 3: Abrams and LaToya Morgan that I cannot understand why nobody's
Speaker 3: talking about. Like it's or I mean, I know there's
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff going on, but it's like they
Speaker 3: have a very very beautiful look and high quality show
Speaker 3: that stars Rachel Hilson from The Good Wife and Josh
Speaker 3: Holloway from Lost and in the National backdamn Treasure. Yeah yo,
Speaker 3: then the National Treasure that is Keith David in his
Speaker 3: buttery smooth voice. The show is about a black female
Speaker 3: FBI agent trying to take down a black crime family
Speaker 3: in Arizona, and it's set in the seventies. Like I said,
Speaker 3: it's got a great soundtrack, It looks really good, the
Speaker 3: violence is really over the time and fun. But it's
Speaker 3: just it's a really good show. And it's one of
Speaker 3: these shows where, particularly as somebody who works in this industry,
Speaker 3: I don't know how marketing decides to market things. I
Speaker 3: think it has something to do with like it came
Speaker 3: out sort of towards the tail end of the of
Speaker 3: the Last of Us season two, so I think they
Speaker 3: were just like pumping all their money into Pager, which
Speaker 3: I get. Like, it's a good show, it's fun. Watch Duster.
Speaker 1: I started, I started watching is it is it a
Speaker 1: pretty jj Abrams show.
Speaker 3: It's a jj Abrams show. It's a good time show.
Speaker 3: It is not like I don't think you're gonna sit
Speaker 3: and watch be like it's not the bear, Like you're
Speaker 3: not gonna have like an emotional journey with Duster. But
Speaker 3: that's why I watch Dusters because like it's fun. You
Speaker 3: get to see cool seventy shit and again, like soundtrack
Speaker 3: is not it's perfect, it's great.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, Miles, where can people find you as their
Speaker 4: work media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Yes, find us everywhere on or find Me, I was
Speaker 1: about to do the ending of Mad Boostie's jack I
Speaker 1: gotta get that out of me.
Speaker 6: I gotta get that out of me. You can find
Speaker 6: me everywhere after?
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, but you can also find us in
Speaker 1: the final series finale episode of Miles and Jackot Mad
Speaker 1: Boosti's or we Reep Up the NBA Finals and cry
Speaker 1: and beg the NBA not to stop the show, but
Speaker 1: it And also if you want to hear me talk
Speaker 1: about ninety day Fiance, you can find me over there
Speaker 1: at four to twenty day Fiance. Some works of media
Speaker 1: I like. Here's some posts that I enjoyed on Blue Ski.
Speaker 1: The first one is at Firefox dot com. He just
Speaker 1: said to close one's tab is to admit you were
Speaker 1: never truly committed to the journey. And I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like that is kind of the hesitation I have
Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm closing a tab at cl hubes that
Speaker 1: be's got as social posted Cris Cross Apple Sauce is
Speaker 1: the best woke.
Speaker 6: Rebrand of all time. So catchy caught on immediately A plus.
Speaker 4: Woke work which really well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ashman.
Speaker 1: Last when Ashmon Rodriguez dot com Muslim guy, what if
Speaker 1: a poor person could buy vegetables?
Speaker 2: Reasonable New Yorker. I am moving to a whites.
Speaker 1: Only compound eleven four miles away from here as soon
Speaker 1: as possible. Please invite me onto the television to say
Speaker 1: this again.
Speaker 4: They will be they will be on TV.
Speaker 3: That's America, That's the New York.
Speaker 4: Times I was looking for. You can find me on
Speaker 4: Twitter at jack Underscore, Brian on Blue Sky at jack
Speaker 4: Obi the Number one enjoyed. A tweet from Ella at
Speaker 4: Blonde Hot Coffee tweeted, the lion does not concern himself
Speaker 4: with the check engine light and that's those are facts.
Speaker 4: You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at
Speaker 4: Daily Zeikeeist. We're at v Daily Zeitgeist. On Instagram, you
Speaker 4: can go to the description of the episode wherever you're
Speaker 4: listening to it, and there you will find the footnotes. No,
Speaker 4: which is where we link off to the information that
Speaker 4: we talked about in today's episode. We also link off
Speaker 4: to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 4: is there a song that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is out of straight out of Georgia. Eddie
Speaker 6: nine V amazing.
Speaker 1: Soul, blues funk kind of singer musician. This track that
Speaker 1: I will recommend called Love Move Slow. It feels like
Speaker 1: this could have been like an Al Green track or
Speaker 1: an Isley Brothers track, like the production, the esthetic, like
Speaker 1: it's so so on point for that era. But it's
Speaker 1: it's now baby, It's it's modern music. So this is
Speaker 1: a fantastic track. Eddie nine B Love Moves Slow All right.
Speaker 4: We will link off to that in the footnote for
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 4: all on Monday.
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