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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January thirteenth, twenty twenty one, season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number ninety three. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, presented by Geico. We are alive from the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we've got some
Speaker 1: time here to talk to you guys about Cowboys football.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about a couple hires
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have made here over the last week, some
Speaker 1: rumored hires that might be happening here soon we can
Speaker 1: go around the NFL and our final segment and hopefully
Speaker 1: give some picks or definitely give some picks for the
Speaker 1: upcoming games this weekend in the Divisional round of NFL playoffs,
Speaker 1: and maybe, just maybe we will get to some questions
Speaker 1: from you guys. Amber has some ready in case we
Speaker 1: get there. In the final segment, how's everybody doing today? Good? Derek, great, Derek, awesome,
Speaker 1: everybody's good. Let's jump in. Let's talk about what nothing? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Mike Nolan. Uh. This last week we
Speaker 1: find out Mike Nolan has been relieved of his duties.
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula, the defensive line coach, also relieved of
Speaker 1: his duties, and then the Cowboys going to make a
Speaker 1: hire or they hire dan Quinn. M He was the leader,
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator of the top defense in the league
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen and in twenty and fourteen with the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. He won Super Bowl while he was there
Speaker 1: in Seattle, and then he went on to be the
Speaker 1: head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, took that team to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That was the infamous melt down of
Speaker 1: the twenty eight to three league that they gave up.
Speaker 1: What were your initial reactions to the hiring of Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and the firing of Mike Noel Nichols start, We
Speaker 1: got you gotta make a change. Obviously we hinted at it.
Speaker 1: We don't like seeing guys, you know, lose jobs or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you can't be okay, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons for it. It wasn't all his fault. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's still a good football coach, but you gotta make
Speaker 1: a change, and so they did, and they got a
Speaker 1: guy that that has is a proven defensive coordinator. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not that Nolan wasn't, but you know, he's had
Speaker 1: more success and I think that you know, it'll it'll be,
Speaker 1: It'll be a good change. My own thought is is
Speaker 1: I just hope that he'll have a chance to get
Speaker 1: on the field and actually get to coach, because that
Speaker 1: is that's what hurt Mike Nolan, that's what hurt Jim
Speaker 1: thom Sewel had heard all those guys, and I hopefully
Speaker 1: he'll get a chance to do that with his staff.
Speaker 1: You know, I know it's part of my job and
Speaker 1: all that to comment on things like this, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm just in a weird space right
Speaker 1: now where I haven't really been able to really hit
Speaker 1: the reset the reset button and have like a clear
Speaker 1: mindset and a clean slate. Right now, I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: because of what happened last year, and we talked so
Speaker 1: much about all of this new coaching staff having so
Speaker 1: much experience and all that and then Quinn. He has
Speaker 1: a great resume. I mean, you look at the things
Speaker 1: he's done and it's great, and you yeah, there is
Speaker 1: excitement that goes along with that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: right now, I'm just in that kind of mentaliated that
Speaker 1: man I've been there, a guy in that excitement, but
Speaker 1: now I just need to see it happening. I need
Speaker 1: to see it happening on the field. I needed, you know,
Speaker 1: not just getting excited about the coach itself and then
Speaker 1: the experience they bring all that. I just I'm lacking
Speaker 1: the whole translation onto the players and the whole translation
Speaker 1: onto the field because I feel it just hasn't happened
Speaker 1: yet with the boys. So yes, good hire, great background,
Speaker 1: great resume, but it's gonna take some time for me
Speaker 1: myself to be convinced until I actually see it happening
Speaker 1: on the field. Dave nothing wrong with that, which actually
Speaker 1: a g I think. I think your reservations are exactly
Speaker 1: why Dan Quinn is the defensive coordinator here, because Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones will paint you a roadmap. If you're willing to
Speaker 1: dig through Jerry speak, He'll he'll tell you what he wants.
Speaker 1: And he spent the last month on the radio, you know,
Speaker 1: when he would do media interviews talking about you know,
Speaker 1: they underestimated how hard it would be to change schemes
Speaker 1: during a pandemic. They underestimated, you know, the lack of
Speaker 1: practice time, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I can picture with
Speaker 1: perfect clarity these behind closed doors meetings where Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: was like, we're not doing this again. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go through this type of transition. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear the excuses when it doesn't work. So what
Speaker 1: did they do. They went and got a guy who
Speaker 1: runs a scheme that they've been running for the last
Speaker 1: three years. I mean, this is Chris Richard's scheme. Is
Speaker 1: that it's the Seattle scheme that got so famous in
Speaker 1: the first half of this decade. I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 1: not going to be exactly the same dan Quinn's a
Speaker 1: different coach, but this is a system that every guy
Speaker 1: that's been here for more than a couple of years
Speaker 1: should know how to run. Whether that's the linebackers, whether
Speaker 1: that's the pass rushers, like, everybody here should have a
Speaker 1: basic level of familiarity with what they're being asked to do.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's a coincidence because obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: we all have the highest hope for twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: and what might be to come, but nobody knows what
Speaker 1: the offseason is going to look like, nobody knows how
Speaker 1: much time they're going to be able to be together,
Speaker 1: and so with all of that working against them, I
Speaker 1: think they wanted a guy who could realistically install the
Speaker 1: defense during a pandemic basically, and that's I mean, on
Speaker 1: top of being an accomplished coach. I think dan Quinn
Speaker 1: gives them that. Yeah, I think day that's a great
Speaker 1: point because in his previous the one thing he's always
Speaker 1: been saying to do with his defense is is focus
Speaker 1: on making the same the scheme simpler, allowing players to
Speaker 1: play fast, knowing what we know about this team and
Speaker 1: the challenges of COVID that may not be complete by
Speaker 1: the time they get to the offseason training. How much
Speaker 1: of a difference does do you think that makes for
Speaker 1: this defense having that kind of defensive coordinator, nick Um,
Speaker 1: You know, I think this year, you know that here's
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think, you know, Jerry
Speaker 1: beats himself up about too much about about trying to
Speaker 1: make changes during a pandemic. I mean, I just it
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't a pandemic. But I mean, we thought
Speaker 1: we were going to be back in April. We thought
Speaker 1: we'd be back in May, and then May, we thought
Speaker 1: maybe July, and then July it would be done. And
Speaker 1: so you have to move forward and you and I
Speaker 1: think that nobody realized that was going to be like
Speaker 1: this all the way into January and who knows how long.
Speaker 1: So now now you know, now you know what you
Speaker 1: can do, and now you can go back to what
Speaker 1: these players can do. And I think I think that
Speaker 1: McCarthy has a better idea of what these guys and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the core players that are still here,
Speaker 1: d Law, you know, Randy Gregory, Sean Lee if he
Speaker 1: still if he comes back, of course, Jalen Smith, Light
Speaker 1: and Vanderish, those kind of guys what they can do.
Speaker 1: And I think that now you look at it and say,
Speaker 1: what do these guys do best, and let's get a
Speaker 1: scheme that fits him. Before it was just like let's
Speaker 1: just run a multiple scheme and all that, but that
Speaker 1: didn't work. These players didn't adapt well to that. Camber well,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like we've said, we have to
Speaker 1: wait and see what happens this year with COVID and
Speaker 1: the offseason and all of that. But I just I
Speaker 1: have my fingers crossed, and I just hope this is
Speaker 1: not another year where now we're like, Okay, the coaching
Speaker 1: change was good, but now the talent still sucks and
Speaker 1: the players we need better talent. So I just, oh my, please,
Speaker 1: let's not have that conversation. I hope they make the
Speaker 1: right moves, they get the kind of guys in here.
Speaker 1: But then there's the whole other aspect of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: have these new guys had enough time to practice with
Speaker 1: the vettering guys and like just building the team, the
Speaker 1: defensive team together, piecing it all together. So that's another
Speaker 1: aspect that you also have to look at bettering guys,
Speaker 1: whether that's free agency, through free agency, hiring, or through
Speaker 1: the draft. Okay, how are they gonna come in here
Speaker 1: and fit together? And how's that gonna look once you
Speaker 1: start putting all this pieces together. So again, I'm just
Speaker 1: hoping this is not a year where Okay, now it's
Speaker 1: not a coaching issue. Now it's okay, we need another
Speaker 1: year to address the talent and have it work together.
Speaker 1: Dave and Quinn was going to be the higher I've
Speaker 1: said this a few times, and I want to make
Speaker 1: sure I'm saying it the right way because I've called
Speaker 1: it all. It's almost like a knee jerk reaction, and
Speaker 1: typically people associate that in a bad way, but I
Speaker 1: don't mean it in a bad way. And it kind
Speaker 1: of goes back to my point is like, obviously it
Speaker 1: was disastrous what they tried to do. It didn't work,
Speaker 1: and so it almost feels like they're overcorrecting, going back
Speaker 1: to what they know. But again, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing. Sure, it would be great to
Speaker 1: implement a new scheme and be multiple and be complex,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to do during a pandemic. It did
Speaker 1: not work for whatever reason. And again, like, we could
Speaker 1: be dealing with this for another year. I really hope
Speaker 1: we aren't, but that's just the reality of the situation.
Speaker 1: They might have to do another virtual offseason in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one and so, and you know, you know, does
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy can he afford to be like, well, eventually
Speaker 1: we'll have a normal off season and I can do
Speaker 1: what I want. By the time that happens. He could
Speaker 1: have had two or three losing seasons trying to implement
Speaker 1: this complex defense, and then he's out of a job. So,
Speaker 1: regardless of what's going on with the pandemic, you got
Speaker 1: to do something that yields results, and you got to
Speaker 1: do it quickly after what we watched this year. So
Speaker 1: I do not blame them for doing this because we've
Speaker 1: seen that it can work. I mean, they were they
Speaker 1: were top ten in twenty eighteen, and they were decent
Speaker 1: last year, and we've always said, like, you only need
Speaker 1: to be decent with the offense that this team has,
Speaker 1: and I think this gives them the best chance to
Speaker 1: be decent quickly, Whereas if you're trying to overhaul it
Speaker 1: again for the second time in two years, who knows
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get, you know. I thought our mail
Speaker 1: back question today was interesting, and it's kind of a
Speaker 1: difference of people that view things half glass, you know,
Speaker 1: glass half full or half empty, And it's the question
Speaker 1: is do you think that hiring Dan Quinn is an
Speaker 1: indication that the front office believes it has the right
Speaker 1: players on defense, it just needs the right scheme. And
Speaker 1: I actually said I disagree on that. I do too.
Speaker 1: I think it's the other way. I think it's they
Speaker 1: don't feel like they have the right players. They just
Speaker 1: need a coach in a scheme that'll help coach them up.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel about that, but
Speaker 1: there's two different ways to look at it. But now
Speaker 1: I don't think the players are here at all. I
Speaker 1: think that's exactly right. And the reason why I do
Speaker 1: is because if you guys remember, like the reason why
Speaker 1: they went to the defensive staff that they brought in
Speaker 1: last year and what we heard, I remember Cheetos saying
Speaker 1: this cynic press conference, we're not gonna be as as
Speaker 1: vanilla as we've been. We're gonna be We're gonna have
Speaker 1: more complex defense. We're gonna give them different kinds of looks.
Speaker 1: They went from simple to complex this last year, and
Speaker 1: I think in going back to simple, I think what
Speaker 1: it says to me is the problem was not the
Speaker 1: scheme in the first place. The problem is the players.
Speaker 1: So I'm very interested now to see what happens with
Speaker 1: a lot of these players. Are they going to really
Speaker 1: really invest this offseason in the draft and in free
Speaker 1: agency possibly to bringing in better players, because I think
Speaker 1: this is just an admission that the direction they went
Speaker 1: was was a direction that was that ultimately showed them
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. Your players aren't good enough, which
Speaker 1: that reminds me. You know, I don't want to paraphrase
Speaker 1: too much, but Chris Rochard was on a podcast during
Speaker 1: the season. I mean, let's not ourselves like you can
Speaker 1: make any scheme complex, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: this scheme can be complex. And I think that the
Speaker 1: intimation from listening to that podcast was, you know, did
Speaker 1: they trust the talent that they had to be complex
Speaker 1: within that scheme? I don't know. And yeah, I mean, no,
Speaker 1: the talent's not here, and that I mean, if the
Speaker 1: talent was here, that scheme one or got the Seahawks
Speaker 1: to two super Bowls and almost one them both. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's always going to be about talent. And I think again,
Speaker 1: this scheme gives them a chance to be respectable with
Speaker 1: the talent that's here. But yeah, I mean, they gotta
Speaker 1: they gotta keep adding to it. They absolutely do. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take another I was just gonna say that
Speaker 1: this the fact, like to me, how I see things
Speaker 1: with play or like if it's me trying to follow
Speaker 1: someone's voice as far as the leader, and it comes
Speaker 1: down to the defensive coordinator. With the way that the
Speaker 1: last season went down and seeing how he wasn't able
Speaker 1: to lead them to success earlier on in the season,
Speaker 1: you start losing that kind of respect right as far
Speaker 1: you know who you who that voice is, you lose respect.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this year maybe there is a
Speaker 1: different kind There will be a different kind of pressure
Speaker 1: because now you change that voice, you bring someone in
Speaker 1: that has very proven success in the past, and then
Speaker 1: now it's I think it just shines more line on
Speaker 1: these players and more accountability. Now you don't have the
Speaker 1: excuse are like, oh, it's just too complicated or whatever.
Speaker 1: Now it's really on you and what you can do
Speaker 1: as a player. Yep, let's do this. I want to
Speaker 1: have a question for you guys that I'm gonna there
Speaker 1: are four different characteristics or four different things about Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn that I think stand out, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you all four and then I want each of you
Speaker 1: guys to rank for me one through four which one
Speaker 1: you think matters the most all the way from what
Speaker 1: matters the most what matters the least? All Right, here
Speaker 1: are the four. First, he specialized as a defensive line coach.
Speaker 1: We know all the issues they've had on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: So him specializing as a defensive line coach, how much
Speaker 1: does that matter? Two he coordinated one of the greatest
Speaker 1: defenses of all time in the two thousand and three Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Three he worked with both three four and four three schemes,
Speaker 1: so he can do either one and four. He's been
Speaker 1: to three Super Bowls with two teams. He was the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Seattle, obviously head coach in Atlanta. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with you, Amber, how would you rank those four
Speaker 1: things as far as most important matters, most down to
Speaker 1: matters least. I think to me what matters most is
Speaker 1: his ability and flexibility in changing schemes and just having
Speaker 1: that experience with both of them. Obviously, that's something that
Speaker 1: we saw that cow we struggle with, So I think
Speaker 1: that's really going to be beneficial to him and the
Speaker 1: team in what deciding what direction to go with. Second,
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you said one of the top defenses
Speaker 1: and then the Super Bowl right, yep, and the defensive
Speaker 1: line coach yep. I would say leading a defense that
Speaker 1: was that had a really, really good reputation because to me, again,
Speaker 1: I want to listen to a voice that has validity,
Speaker 1: that has recognition, that has the experience, and because that
Speaker 1: makes me want to listen to you. So I think
Speaker 1: that really matters to me. And then third, I would say, um,
Speaker 1: the defensive line coaching experience there, that's something that we
Speaker 1: saw the CAB we struggle with as well this past year,
Speaker 1: So I think that's going to be beneficial too. And
Speaker 1: then last, probably the super Bowl. I mean, yes, that's
Speaker 1: important too, but I think that like building the basics
Speaker 1: and having that voice and all of that is just
Speaker 1: more important than just saying, oh, we made it to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, because so many of the different things
Speaker 1: can't happen for you to get to the super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Got it, Dave? With all due respect to Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: I don't care at all at this point that he
Speaker 1: coached the Seahawks defense, and first of all, it was
Speaker 1: a decade ago, and second of all, you know that
Speaker 1: defense is probably gonna send four guys to the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, or at least they're going to have cases
Speaker 1: to be Hall of famers. So congrats. I mean, Chris
Speaker 1: Richard got all of that credit when he got here too.
Speaker 1: For me, the big thing is probably the defensive line expertise,
Speaker 1: you know, if that's if that's what he excels at.
Speaker 1: I mean, the most expensive and best player on your
Speaker 1: defense is DeMarcus Lawrence. So anything to help him. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say recapture his game, because I you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's a lot better than most fans want
Speaker 1: to give him credit for and media for that matter,
Speaker 1: not just fans, but even still, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: could get him back to being a twelve, thirteen, fourteen
Speaker 1: sack kind of guy, that would be great. And then
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see, you know, what he does with
Speaker 1: the other pieces he has. You know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: famous for having that LEO position, which is like it's
Speaker 1: like a linebacker designated pass rusher hybrid role. That's something
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory could do. I've said a couple of times,
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's something Jalen Smith could do. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe hiring Dan Quinn is a way that you
Speaker 1: can try to reclaim Jalen Smith's career. So that's the
Speaker 1: big thing for me. And then probably you know, just
Speaker 1: the fact that he's been to Super Bowls does matter
Speaker 1: to me. Though, just because I think people will will
Speaker 1: listen to and follow a guy that's, you know, achieved
Speaker 1: that level of success in the NFL, because lord knows,
Speaker 1: there aren't very many guys on this team, if any.
Speaker 1: Are there any guys on this team that have been
Speaker 1: that deep in the playoffs? Ever, I guess Alden Smith,
Speaker 1: and we don't know if we don't know if he's
Speaker 1: going to be back. So yeah, having oh well, and
Speaker 1: I mean Mike McCarthy obviously, but having guys in the
Speaker 1: building who know what it takes to get there, I
Speaker 1: think is important. Hey, Dave, I got a question for you,
Speaker 1: and I honestly don't know the answer to this, so
Speaker 1: you you may not know either, But you mentioned those
Speaker 1: guys from Seattle that are that you would say are
Speaker 1: heading to the Hall of Fame. They will part of
Speaker 1: that defense, if my memory serves correct. A number of
Speaker 1: those guys and I Richard Sherman jumps to mine, Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett jumps to mind. They were not highly touted players
Speaker 1: when they got there, Like they weren't first round picks.
Speaker 1: These were not guys that you brought them like you thought, hey,
Speaker 1: they're great, like somebody had to help coach them up
Speaker 1: to get them to that point. Is that it was
Speaker 1: that a kind of a crossboard. Obviously, I know Earl
Speaker 1: because he came from Texas. He was a high draft pick.
Speaker 1: But the other guys I don't think they were were
Speaker 1: they How do you let me just do my point, Wagner?
Speaker 1: Did I just go your point? Yeah? My turn? Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Dick. Sorry, not number one. And it's Nick,
Speaker 1: by the way, but number one is uh. I think
Speaker 1: for me, it's Seattle. It's it's it's getting it's creating Seattle,
Speaker 1: making Seattle a great defense. That would be the number
Speaker 1: one thing for me, and Dave said it was last
Speaker 1: it'd be number one for me. D Line coach would
Speaker 1: be number two. And then going to three super Bowls
Speaker 1: and then the four three, three fourth scheme. I've just
Speaker 1: dismissed that because this team doesn't need it. Don't confuse them, No,
Speaker 1: just just whatever it is. I mean, it's cool that
Speaker 1: you can do both, but once you just pick one
Speaker 1: out of the stop it. Yeah. And we'll get to
Speaker 1: this a little bit later on, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: then the players have to be able to be accountable
Speaker 1: to you know. But but I think and that is
Speaker 1: my point that you were making about the Seattle defense,
Speaker 1: those great players. Camp Chancellor was a fifth round pick,
Speaker 1: um and ar Old Thomas was a first round pick,
Speaker 1: and there's no doubt he was great. Richard Sherman was
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, um Byron Maxwell sixth round, and
Speaker 1: then some of these other guys. Now, Bobby Wagner was
Speaker 1: on that team, right, Yes he was. Bobby Wagner was
Speaker 1: the second round so he was the second round pick kJ. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't know what round he was drafted. I mean
Speaker 1: the MVP who came here, Malcolm Smith, I mean he
Speaker 1: was he was not, you know, so Michael Bennett one
Speaker 1: of their best pass right. So I say that because
Speaker 1: that they developed a scheme around players that weren't, you know,
Speaker 1: highly talented all that. And they have some of those
Speaker 1: guys here. But they're gonna have to do that as well.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to get second, third, fourth round picks,
Speaker 1: not just from this draft, but but early other guys,
Speaker 1: some some cast off, some free agents and mold them together.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's really important that he was
Speaker 1: able to do that. All Right, we're gonna check our
Speaker 1: first break, but they do you have something I just
Speaker 1: I'm the reason. And obviously when you when you find
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, I mean, you get credit for that,
Speaker 1: But I just I lean more toward thinking that's almost
Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle. I mean, he hasn't been able
Speaker 1: to recreate that in Atlanta when he was running a team.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they've spent a ton of draft
Speaker 1: picks on defensive players. I'm planning on writing about that
Speaker 1: this week, and they've had some success. But when you
Speaker 1: put together a defense like that, it's it's like Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay in the early two thousands, like, are you coaching
Speaker 1: geniuses because you had all this talent or did you
Speaker 1: just find a way to accrue an astonishing amount of talent?
Speaker 1: Because Dan Quinn was in Atlanta for five years and
Speaker 1: doesn't look like anybody on any of those defenses going
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. That's that's all I mean
Speaker 1: by that is I just don't know if you can
Speaker 1: hang your hat on that as something that you can
Speaker 1: do reliably. But you know, I would question out a
Speaker 1: little bit as well, because that year when they went
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, that defense was pretty good. They
Speaker 1: had a lot of guys for that defense. If you
Speaker 1: go back and look that got hurt the following year.
Speaker 1: I think their linebacker their safety, which were two of
Speaker 1: their better defensive players, both got hurt that following year.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why I think their
Speaker 1: defense took a nose dive. But they were they had
Speaker 1: a pretty good defense that first year. Now, of course,
Speaker 1: the retort to that is they gave up a twenty
Speaker 1: eight to three lead, and so, but that happens. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I'm I was an older fan. I know it happens
Speaker 1: like this happens. But but again, my point is, I
Speaker 1: think he started to kind of rebuild that in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and I think he got them to a point where
Speaker 1: they were good enough to go to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think he's gotta get some credit for that. Enough
Speaker 1: to get a twenty eight to three lead, I mean true,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean, it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: like it was just nobody that came back. I mean,
Speaker 1: he expected them to come back there. They should have
Speaker 1: won that game. We know that. But you know, and
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty good at I'm not one thing we
Speaker 1: know about Dank and those Falcons defense is that better
Speaker 1: not put a bad left tackle out there. Because he
Speaker 1: put a bad left tackle out there, you can make
Speaker 1: a really good player into like all world. He's still playing,
Speaker 1: by the way, I saw said the same thing. Yeah
Speaker 1: we were, you guys, say Dave. I just I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to I'm not trying to hate on Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: My only point is that defense is like Seattle in
Speaker 1: the early part of this decade, or the you know,
Speaker 1: the oh the early two thousand Buccaneers, that those type
Speaker 1: of defenses come around once a generation. And I just
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of being like, oh, he
Speaker 1: coached all these Hall of famers. That means he's going
Speaker 1: to find a bunch of Hall of Famers here, Like
Speaker 1: that's not realistic. It doesn't mean he's not a good coach.
Speaker 1: It's just how well but but but developed the Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers. So that's what that's what I like about.
Speaker 1: And you're right, they he tried the same thing in Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: At the start, we are presented by Geico. Let's talk
Speaker 1: some more about some of the players that will and
Speaker 1: how this move may affect them. Obviously, dan Quinn has
Speaker 1: been hired as a defensive coordinator. There are a number
Speaker 1: of players on this defense that have not had their
Speaker 1: best seasons this last season, Jalen Smith being won, Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh maybe being another. What players can you identify that
Speaker 1: maybe your opinions of what their future looks like with
Speaker 1: this team may have changed based upon this hire. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you, Dave. I don't know this for sure.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to dan Quinn. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: we won't be allowed to talk to dan Quinn for
Speaker 1: several weeks. But the minute his hire was announced, I
Speaker 1: started thinking about Jalen Smith me personally, because again I
Speaker 1: think we talked about it when the season ended. Is
Speaker 1: you know, if you're changing the decordinator, that should be
Speaker 1: your number one priorities like figuring out can we fix
Speaker 1: this guy? Can we make it work with him? And
Speaker 1: again I don't know, I don't know if dan Quinn
Speaker 1: said that, but between going back to a simplified scheme
Speaker 1: where we've seen Jaylen Smith succeed and again some of
Speaker 1: the different things that dan Quinn does like a Leo
Speaker 1: role or you know, playing more sam linebacker, doing stuff
Speaker 1: where you can rush the passer, dropping coverage but not
Speaker 1: too too often. Things like that make me wonder if
Speaker 1: Jaalen Smith has more of a future here than I thought,
Speaker 1: because if you if you asked me Monday after the
Speaker 1: Giants game, I would be like, I really don't think
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith is here in twenty twenty one. I really don't.
Speaker 1: And I still think that's a conversation they need to have.
Speaker 1: But dan Quinn being here makes me think maybe that's
Speaker 1: not the case. Maybe you know, between the scheme and
Speaker 1: asking him to do some different things, maybe they think
Speaker 1: that they can salvage that situation. Nick Um, Jayalen Smith
Speaker 1: is the answer for me as well, but um other players.
Speaker 1: You know, the way you asked it was was just
Speaker 1: I have a different opinion of things after dan Quinn
Speaker 1: was hired. Um, you know, I I just don't know
Speaker 1: about the those those cornerbacks. You know you're not going
Speaker 1: to lose them all, you know, I don't or say
Speaker 1: in the in the safety as well. Um, I wonder
Speaker 1: if if they're going to try to resign Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: or Cheeto. I mean one of those two. I think
Speaker 1: you have to. I would I would lean on on
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis a little bit more. No, I think, I
Speaker 1: think No, I don't think he's the better one, but
Speaker 1: I think he plays a position that something can be
Speaker 1: kind of harder to find the guy that can play
Speaker 1: the slot and now that, um, I think you have
Speaker 1: to let hisavir Woods go. UM. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a resigned guy either. I just I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think that works, and I don't think he's He's been
Speaker 1: a good player. But but I think and I think
Speaker 1: about that it's Jalen Smith. But I also really wonder
Speaker 1: how much turnover there's going to be in the secondary.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can let all those guys test.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're all going to test, but I think
Speaker 1: you gotta bring some of them back amber. I just
Speaker 1: still I'm in that kind of mentality where I need
Speaker 1: to see it to believe it. And honestly, nothing has
Speaker 1: changed my opinion. This higher has not changed my opinion
Speaker 1: as far as talent and players. I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: mentioned Jalen Smith, but I mean let Jayleen go do
Speaker 1: that somewhere else. I don't know. I just cannot get
Speaker 1: past that and Dave's reasoning behind it, because you look
Speaker 1: at a lot of the plays that happened, and yes,
Speaker 1: this is kind of like a domino effect. You know,
Speaker 1: what you do is affected by so many different elements
Speaker 1: and what's surrounding you around you. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: there were so many plays where that was on him
Speaker 1: as a solo solo player, all on him. Didn't have
Speaker 1: to do necessarily with like scheme or anything of that.
Speaker 1: It's just football basics and still wasn't good. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can change that. Also, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can change someone's mentality, and I have
Speaker 1: a huge problem with that as well. So I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that does not His hiring does not change what I
Speaker 1: think of players right now, let's focus in. Okay, but
Speaker 1: want to I want to specify. I agree with everything
Speaker 1: you just said. AG. The thing is Jalen Smith is
Speaker 1: a sixty eight million dollar investment by this organization, and
Speaker 1: first of all, bench watch on the best. I don't
Speaker 1: know people people who signed yeah, people who signed checks
Speaker 1: that size. One they don't like to eat gigantic sums
Speaker 1: of money, and two they don't like to well they
Speaker 1: got they got their own press down there or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But and then number two, they don't
Speaker 1: like admitting that they're wrong. And so both of those
Speaker 1: things combine if you hire and again I don't know this,
Speaker 1: it's just me. I'm just spitballing. But you hired Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and say can you fix Jalen? And he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can fix jale And they're like, great. That means
Speaker 1: we don't have to cut him and eat nine million
Speaker 1: dollars and will look less stupid when he plays better.
Speaker 1: And both of those things are what make me think
Speaker 1: that he might stick around. Okay, so let's do this. Great,
Speaker 1: can you trade him? Can you get anything? No, who's
Speaker 1: gonna trade? Who's gonna trade you for him? I don't
Speaker 1: know that, And that's not and that I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to I'm not trying to be mean. I'm saying anytime
Speaker 1: you're talking about a trade scenario, and I hear fans
Speaker 1: do this a lot where they're like, well trade this guy,
Speaker 1: my thought is always okay. So the same reason you're
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of him is probably what everybody
Speaker 1: out there that would trade for him is also looking at.
Speaker 1: What is the trademark. Well it's more than that though,
Speaker 1: because they can't just cut him regularly. If you cut
Speaker 1: him regularly, he's gonna be nine million dollars. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no June first trade. That doesn't work. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing. You've got to cut him before March tenth
Speaker 1: or whatever. And because he's got a big seven million
Speaker 1: dollar bonus coming if he's on the roster in the
Speaker 1: fifth day of the league year, so you got to
Speaker 1: cut him before that, but designate him as a June
Speaker 1: one cut, so it's only counting about a million instead
Speaker 1: of nine and a half. And that's a huge that's
Speaker 1: a huge difference. So the trade and the cut, if
Speaker 1: he's off the roster, it doesn't matter either way. All
Speaker 1: that money comes to the front, so they're gonna eat
Speaker 1: a lot of it. So I understand what Dave's saying.
Speaker 1: He's like, if this guy says he can fix them,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But he's not the first guy that said
Speaker 1: he could fix him. But let's talk about him like
Speaker 1: you Well, let's let's zero in a little bit on
Speaker 1: Jalen specifically. He did have he had a quote at
Speaker 1: the end of the season he was asked a question
Speaker 1: specific to whether he thought he would be back this
Speaker 1: season after the season that he's had. And I think
Speaker 1: our producer, Chris Beam, I think Chris has the audio.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to what what Jalen had to say. Will
Speaker 1: be back me? Yeah, I mean watch the film. Um.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's a blessing. It's a blessing to
Speaker 1: be able to play this game. Um. So many people
Speaker 1: thought I'd never played ever again. So for me, I'm
Speaker 1: my worst critic, um, and I'm my biggest fan. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep battling, keep grinding. But the guys that that
Speaker 1: that no football and know our scheme and watch film. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't have to speak on I don't have to
Speaker 1: have to speak to myself. It's all love. It's all love. Well,
Speaker 1: he I don't know if we heard the very first part.
Speaker 1: I did not hear it, but I think the fans
Speaker 1: are I think fans. Yeah, Okay, when he said watch
Speaker 1: the tape, yeah, I mean that that's that. That was
Speaker 1: the that's his response to the question. Uh, and you know,
Speaker 1: we just watched the tape and I mean that's and
Speaker 1: in somewhat of a arrogant way, I meant the tape. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and I've said this before. Um, he's wrong. On he's
Speaker 1: his worst critic. He's wrong. Nobody can be their biggest
Speaker 1: fan and the worst critic. That doesn't happen. The people
Speaker 1: that ask the question to begin with are worst critics
Speaker 1: than him because they're not as big as fan. So, um,
Speaker 1: we might have some of his worst critics are right
Speaker 1: over there in that TV right there, like on the
Speaker 1: other side and on this show here. Now, he's not
Speaker 1: his worst critic and that's his problem. He's self awareness
Speaker 1: is not there. Reaction Amber, Oh, I'm trying to control
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. Okay, first, its first. You know,
Speaker 1: when I initially heard the audio, I was like, I
Speaker 1: absolutely like my eyes almost came out of my skull,
Speaker 1: like with the eye roll that I did. But when
Speaker 1: I watched the video made me feel kind of bad
Speaker 1: because watching him, you get that sense of kind of
Speaker 1: him being defensive, you know, when you're trying to defend yourself.
Speaker 1: But a big thing that you have to listen to
Speaker 1: is his initial reaction. How surprised and how so like
Speaker 1: what you're asking me and that that question, like how
Speaker 1: unaware like and how like in another world that he's
Speaker 1: living and I don't understand because players have to watch
Speaker 1: film after each game, you have to evaluate yourself, and
Speaker 1: I'm assuming coaches evaluate and given evaluate evaluation to players
Speaker 1: as well. So my problem is it's with that whole
Speaker 1: thing of self accountability, accountability. Like Derek, you know, if
Speaker 1: I assel up or whatever, I'm not gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and excuse myself. I'm gonna say, you know what, you're right,
Speaker 1: but let me prove to you that I can do
Speaker 1: better and I'm gonna do better and all that. But
Speaker 1: the fact that after a whole season of us everyone
Speaker 1: watching film, watching him play, watching the Cowboys play, that
Speaker 1: his response is that watch the tape. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: delusional there, and again some of those plays in that
Speaker 1: last game against the Giants, the fact that he was
Speaker 1: cheering and stuff like you know, the wrong moments, that
Speaker 1: you're only thinking about yourself. That is another step of
Speaker 1: like you're not being aware of what the heck is
Speaker 1: going on in the game itself, which is a huge
Speaker 1: problem because that's something that's very very important. You need
Speaker 1: to be aware of everything that's freaking happening in a game.
Speaker 1: So at this point, I get that it's a lot
Speaker 1: of money. His contract is a lot of money. But man,
Speaker 1: it's not worth the headache for me. But again, it's
Speaker 1: not my money, so I don't know. I'm not the
Speaker 1: cowboys to tell them what to do with it. But
Speaker 1: they've made my choice and this is what we're seeing
Speaker 1: now day. It's my money and I need it now.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what that made me think of. Um,
Speaker 1: I always, you know, I always I'd say it a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, I know a lot about this game. I
Speaker 1: take my job really seriously. I'm always trying to learn more.
Speaker 1: But I've never coached or played at an elite levels.
Speaker 1: So like, I'm not going to be the guy that
Speaker 1: flips on the tape and like I can diagram the
Speaker 1: coverage and tell you for sure what everybody's doing. Like
Speaker 1: I always try to avoid that because I think most
Speaker 1: people who try to do that, with very few exceptions,
Speaker 1: are faking it in my opinion. Having said that, I
Speaker 1: know enough about football that I can turn on the
Speaker 1: tape and tell you that. Jalen Smith, like, why are
Speaker 1: you telling people to watch the tape because it's bad?
Speaker 1: It's it's not good, Like I know that anybody that's
Speaker 1: watched it knows that if you have NFL game Pass,
Speaker 1: you can go look at it. That was my reaction
Speaker 1: when he said that. I was like, does he really
Speaker 1: want people to do that? Because I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna go the way that he thinks it will, because
Speaker 1: I don't have to know the difference between coverages or
Speaker 1: no all eleven assignments to see Jalen not being able
Speaker 1: to get off blocks, or being late to diagnose the play,
Speaker 1: or just diagnosing the play in the wrong direction, barrel
Speaker 1: rolling out of the hole that he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: in for some reason, just losing guys in the flat
Speaker 1: because he's not fast enough to catch them. That happened
Speaker 1: a few times against the Ravens, right off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, Like these are all easy things that
Speaker 1: anybody can see watching, Like you don't have to be
Speaker 1: an expert on football to see it. So I don't
Speaker 1: know why he said that is really my big takeaway
Speaker 1: from that. And you know, I don't know where it
Speaker 1: goes from here, but but it just it was obviously
Speaker 1: not good enough for a variety of reasons. And that's
Speaker 1: not even taking into account the penalties and the self
Speaker 1: awareness and all that type of stuff, just from a
Speaker 1: standpoint of are you a thirteen million dollar linebacker, like
Speaker 1: anybody who turns on NFL game pass could tell you. No,
Speaker 1: you know, Dave tell Oh sorry, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: ask Dave to tell the stat. Remember when we were
Speaker 1: watching the game against the Giants and we were talking
Speaker 1: about his stats in tackles. Oh, yeah, leading the team,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was a pretty good one. I
Speaker 1: actually somebody on Twitter told me this way back earlier
Speaker 1: in the season and like, I'm sorry, I don't remember
Speaker 1: your name, so like I didn't come up with this,
Speaker 1: but it blew me away. I'm pulling up the stat
Speaker 1: right now. So we were talking about, you know, Jalen
Speaker 1: led the team in tackles. Jalen finished the season number
Speaker 1: two in tackles, and that sounds really impressive. But somebody
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, go go look at how many solo verse,
Speaker 1: how many assisted? And it was eighty nine solo verse,
Speaker 1: sixty five assisted, whereas a lot of you know, Zach
Speaker 1: Cunningham from Houston one hundred and sixt fifty eight assisted,
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith ninety eight to forty one, Devin White ninety
Speaker 1: seven to forty three, like you want more solo tackles
Speaker 1: than assists. And I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: astutely pointed out Jalen Smith knows how to dive on
Speaker 1: a tackle after the fact because he knows it's going on.
Speaker 1: He knows what's going on the stat sheet like he knows,
Speaker 1: and it shows in the stats it's like an even
Speaker 1: split between solo and assisted. And I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a coincidence. So shouts out to the Twitter user who
Speaker 1: pointed that out to me. I'm sorry, I don't remember you,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was a various stude observation. That
Speaker 1: is a very very interesting stat nick. Nick, what were
Speaker 1: you about to the things that dan Quinn's going to
Speaker 1: bring his armed things that really matter to what Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith's problems are. You know, it doesn't matter about the scheme.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, he still goes around blocks instead of
Speaker 1: through the guy. He looks to avoid contact at time.
Speaker 1: He makes too many business decisions when when when he
Speaker 1: does that, it creates a big hole. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think he takes contact as much as he's supposed to.
Speaker 1: And I don't think and you know, and the things
Speaker 1: that have been criticized with him about and internally you
Speaker 1: know that that he's not as physical as he should be,
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't prepare like he should be prepared.
Speaker 1: In their stories about that, and he's too stiff, you know,
Speaker 1: like those are the things that a new schemes not
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna fix. Now, I'm I don't care if he
Speaker 1: swipes on a play he didn't make. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Marcus Spears danced on de wear sacks all the time.
Speaker 1: Who cares like it's a team thing. Make a play,
Speaker 1: you're excited. That's fine. And I've said it this a
Speaker 1: thousand times. Nobody was on that Fiesta Bowl field with
Speaker 1: where he was thinking his career was over because he
Speaker 1: played in a bowl game, which give him credit for that,
Speaker 1: because no one does anymore. And and then you know
Speaker 1: he thinks his career is over. He comes back, he
Speaker 1: gets a big contract, he plays in the in the
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl, all that kind of stuff. His
Speaker 1: perspective is not going to be the same as everyone else's.
Speaker 1: It's not. So I tried to accept that. That's fine,
Speaker 1: But you gotta prepare, you gotta be a better player,
Speaker 1: you gotta you can't leave your teammates out to dry
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and you gotta be, like they said,
Speaker 1: you gotta be more self aware. But the swiping because
Speaker 1: someone else made a play, who cares? You're off the
Speaker 1: field as a team, who cares? Well? I think I
Speaker 1: think his reaction to the question is the part that
Speaker 1: is big for me, and it actually brings up an
Speaker 1: interesting question. We're gonna take a break, but when we
Speaker 1: come back, I'm gonna ask you guys this question. What
Speaker 1: I think this illuminated to me was one of two
Speaker 1: things has to be true here. Either the coaches agree
Speaker 1: with him that he's playing really well, or they're not
Speaker 1: holding him accountable and telling him that he's not playing
Speaker 1: really well. One of those two has to be the
Speaker 1: truth for him to have that kind of response. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take our break when we come back, I want
Speaker 1: you guys to answer which one you think is more
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Speaker 1: So I thought you were going to read the one
Speaker 1: about ordering food, because like this, I'm actually in the
Speaker 1: middle of that right now. I was telling you before
Speaker 1: we went on the air. My high school teams playing
Speaker 1: at at and T Stadium this Friday State championship God
Speaker 1: cougars and and I'm right in the middle now trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what we want to have in the suite,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I'm trying to like choose my
Speaker 1: best my favorites. Gotta have the mac and cheese the
Speaker 1: whole night, you know. Yeah, and we all know you
Speaker 1: just said that because you wanted to say that your
Speaker 1: school is in Yeah, which is to find a reason
Speaker 1: to go whatever. Hold on, let's just we got we
Speaker 1: got enough time we can talk about this. So Crosby
Speaker 1: High School is Crosby Hospital. They're playing in the state
Speaker 1: championship at AT and T Stadium. They have never won
Speaker 1: a state championship in anything as a team. No, never.
Speaker 1: The only state championship that there's ever been one at
Speaker 1: Crosby High School is an individual award from Derek Eagleton
Speaker 1: as the debate State Championship. So, so y'all remember that
Speaker 1: state amber when you're trying to argue a point. Just
Speaker 1: remember this state champion debater. That's awesome. By the way,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know he ever. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't know he won state. But I mean I'd have
Speaker 1: to be a fool at this point not to know
Speaker 1: that Derek lives to argue you remember you remember the
Speaker 1: conversation you lost, Remember the one at the time that
Speaker 1: Derek said, you know, that's a great point. You're right,
Speaker 1: I'm wrong about that. Wo really yeah, it was a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: It was like two thousand and nine. It happened. It
Speaker 1: happened just in the break. Yes, Amber, you were right.
Speaker 1: I did absolutely much. No, that's a good point actually,
Speaker 1: because you were telling me this for a month now,
Speaker 1: and I'm just realized that's because your rundowns are longer
Speaker 1: than war in peace and so at the bottom say,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a fan questions whatever, but just curiosity.
Speaker 1: What was the topic that you won on the debate?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? I think that year it was about
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons proliferation. I think I think that was the
Speaker 1: topic that year, but I'm not certain. I think that was.
Speaker 1: That's awesome though, by the bay was nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: State champ still do that debate? Like State? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: they have nationals, they have everything. Yeah, did you have nationals?
Speaker 1: I went to nationally, did not compete. I was an
Speaker 1: alternate for Nationals. Okay. Yeah, Well so I'm just blown away.
Speaker 1: I love the Uh you know, college football season ended
Speaker 1: on Monday night and we haven't played the state title
Speaker 1: games for Texas. Yet that's crazy, and I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: money on it. You gonna have a stadium that will
Speaker 1: have a ton of people in it for this state
Speaker 1: championship as his customary in Texas. Are they gonna let
Speaker 1: you go into the stadium with your trophy? Are you
Speaker 1: gonna have to put that on the side or go through?
Speaker 1: I don't even know where my trophy is. Probably my
Speaker 1: mom probably has it. You might have walking around seeing
Speaker 1: these people you haven't seen forever. I am. I'm actually
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing all my old classmates. They'll all
Speaker 1: be here. So it's gonna be a big dealful Cross.
Speaker 1: If you could, we got small test their eyes. I
Speaker 1: will recognize them. Trust school. All right, I have a sweet.
Speaker 1: I don't have Jerry sweet, but I do have a sweet,
Speaker 1: and so we will have some. We have good time.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fod Crosby Cougars, Cougar Crosby copies. All right,
Speaker 1: So here's what I want to do. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask this question right before he went to break Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith um his reaction and ember you talked about you
Speaker 1: pointed out his reaction in this that his reaction was
Speaker 1: one where he was almost just surprised anybody would ask
Speaker 1: him this question. And it made me think one of
Speaker 1: these two statements has to be true. Either his coaches
Speaker 1: believe that he is playing as well as he believes
Speaker 1: he's playing, or they have not held him accountable and
Speaker 1: told him he's not playing that well for him to
Speaker 1: be that surprised, Which one do you think is more likely?
Speaker 1: Nicholas start with, haven't haven't been upfront with him. You
Speaker 1: don't think they believe that he's playing that well? Hmm,
Speaker 1: I No, I think they believe it because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of words going around. You hear a lot of
Speaker 1: whispers and stuff that people are talking about it. Just
Speaker 1: don't think it necessarily goes to him. I bet you,
Speaker 1: I bet you that he gets it, but I don't,
Speaker 1: you know. I bet that he gets the criticism, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as strong as it needs to be.
Speaker 1: And I bet you he kind of dismisses it. And
Speaker 1: we saw a video of that. We saw a video
Speaker 1: of that. We've seen some sideline clips of that where
Speaker 1: there's some people yelling and stuff. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's taken it that it's tamed at him. Amber
Speaker 1: he just seems so far off from reality and just
Speaker 1: like so blinded by his own self. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what word I'm looking for, but there's absolutely no
Speaker 1: way that the coaches see the tape and see these
Speaker 1: players play and not realize the way that he has played.
Speaker 1: So I would lead more towards the fact that maybe
Speaker 1: they're not They weren't as vocal as they needed to
Speaker 1: be with him. I mean, sometimes it takes you calling
Speaker 1: him out in front of everyone, like it takes a
Speaker 1: little bit of embarrassment sometimes for you to get someone
Speaker 1: to finally realize it, Like put the play on big
Speaker 1: display here and highlight it, because if he's not getting it,
Speaker 1: that's a problem. And again, I think it affects what
Speaker 1: happens here mentally affects what you do on the field,
Speaker 1: and he just needed like a slap of reality and
Speaker 1: someone to really sit him down and say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you're not really doing as good as you think you are,
Speaker 1: So here's what we need to work on, and these
Speaker 1: are the things that you need to self evaluate and
Speaker 1: try to improve on, because otherwise it's just hard to
Speaker 1: get better. So I would lean more towards them not
Speaker 1: being as upfront as they should have, but obviously I
Speaker 1: have no idea what happens behind doors or any of that. Day.
Speaker 1: Kind of goes back to the point I was making
Speaker 1: in the last segment, which is, you know, if I
Speaker 1: have if I say something like if if Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: wants to call me on something, be like, you don't
Speaker 1: even know what coverage we're running, I'll probably back down
Speaker 1: and be like, you know what, You're right. You've been
Speaker 1: coaching NFL football for more than I've been alive or
Speaker 1: close to it, Like, who am I to question your expertise?
Speaker 1: In this case? I will gladly sit down with anybody
Speaker 1: that wants to tell me that I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, because like, like even my dumb ass
Speaker 1: can sit down and look at the tape and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, Mike Nolan, you are wrong. If you think
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith played great this year, you're wrong. I like,
Speaker 1: I'll gladly say that to him or anybody else. And
Speaker 1: so the only thing I can come up with is
Speaker 1: that they weren't totally honest with him, and I you know,
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's probably human nature. You know that
Speaker 1: doesn't every office place in the world probably have an
Speaker 1: employee where it's like, don't I mean Toby's Toby, don't
Speaker 1: worry about him. Like, yeah, it's annoying, but like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll work around it and it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Like every office has that person as far as I'm aware,
Speaker 1: and probably football teams too. So that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I'm at. Yeah, And one of the things to
Speaker 1: that point, Dave, I think sometimes what happens, and we
Speaker 1: all probably know these people in life, that they hear
Speaker 1: what they want to hear. They hear the positive, and
Speaker 1: they soak all that in. But when you give them
Speaker 1: critiques and feet and feedback that that may not be positive,
Speaker 1: they just kind of let that fly just right over
Speaker 1: their head and they act like they didn't hear it,
Speaker 1: and they don't take in the criticism. Maybe that's a
Speaker 1: defense mechanism, who knows, but they don't take in the
Speaker 1: criticism as well and really kind of let that seep
Speaker 1: in and figure out, Okay, I need to be better
Speaker 1: in these areas. They only hear what they want to hear,
Speaker 1: and so because coaches could have been saying it maybe
Speaker 1: not strong enough to your point. To Amber's point, maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't stay it's strong enough, but maybe there's a
Speaker 1: reality that think they talked to him about this, and
Speaker 1: they talked him and showed him where he wasn't playing
Speaker 1: well enough, and he just kind of in his mind thought,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but there's a reason why. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why on that play. Oh yeah, the reason
Speaker 1: while in that play. And he never really took it
Speaker 1: in as I'm not playing well. But but that's that's
Speaker 1: the problem, is that you want the flip side of that.
Speaker 1: I want the Jason Witten. Hey, Jason, you're a pro.
Speaker 1: You're at all pro. You're great at this, You're great
Speaker 1: at this and all that. I don't want you to
Speaker 1: actually wham the nose and try to get hurt and
Speaker 1: hit the defensive tackle. But you're great at this. And
Speaker 1: he's like, wait, wait, you don't think I can wham
Speaker 1: the nose that I know. That's a story that we've
Speaker 1: we've been told a lot. But the difference is is
Speaker 1: that you said that there are players and people that
Speaker 1: are like they hear what they want to hear. He
Speaker 1: hears what he wants to hear. You know, some people
Speaker 1: can get complimented over and over and over, but they
Speaker 1: hear one little thing that might sound negative, and that's
Speaker 1: all that they heard. So that person's gonna get get
Speaker 1: better and try to make sure there are zero things
Speaker 1: like that that's like the opposite to him. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's flip the conversation a little bit. We are
Speaker 1: hearing reports at this point that the Cowboys are interested
Speaker 1: in hiring Joe Witt Junior to coach their secondary defensive
Speaker 1: pass game coordinator. That's the report. Are you writing a
Speaker 1: story on that right now? Dave? Sorry? Yeah, bad? I
Speaker 1: thought he would maybe I think might be writing this
Speaker 1: right Is he breaking it for us? No? Um, let
Speaker 1: me get your reactions of it now. He was with
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn in Atlanta. He's also been with Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: in his career at Ering Bay. What's your reaction to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys maybe making a change there in the secondary
Speaker 1: as well? Well? It's a little it's interesting right now
Speaker 1: because we have not heard that they have a secondary
Speaker 1: coach vacant spot available there, so I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but or that he's not an under contract. But I
Speaker 1: I'll say this, when he interviewed for the job, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I thought was going to happen. When you
Speaker 1: interview for the DC job. It's like, Okay, well we'll see,
Speaker 1: we're gonna interview some other guys. Um, but if if
Speaker 1: this doesn't work out, would you be interested in maybe
Speaker 1: a secondary coach. I guarantee that was part of it
Speaker 1: um that went on there, So it doesn't surprise me,
Speaker 1: and I think it would be a good move. It'd
Speaker 1: be a step up for what they had because no
Speaker 1: offense to the guy they had, but they haven't been
Speaker 1: coaching NFL cornerbacks and secondary guys like he has, so
Speaker 1: I think it would be a step up if they
Speaker 1: go that way. Camber definitely a step up. I think
Speaker 1: that a change there was needed as well. And again
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that I don't really
Speaker 1: know because I'm not in there, so I don't know
Speaker 1: the dynamic as far as how much there is to
Speaker 1: blame on position coaches versus the defensive coordinator, So I
Speaker 1: don't really know the dynamic there. But clearly the secondary
Speaker 1: as a whole struggle all throughout the season. I mean,
Speaker 1: these players were doing things that it was just like wow, unbelievable,
Speaker 1: the amount of separation, the coverage and a lot of
Speaker 1: things that also the whole scheme thing and understanding what
Speaker 1: they're doing is gonna help, obviously, but just in general,
Speaker 1: I think that maybe a change there was needed. The
Speaker 1: only thing that makes me concern a little bit, I guess,
Speaker 1: not really concerned, but just like, is the whole relationship
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy, just because I knew the relationship with
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan and then it's like, oh, he had his
Speaker 1: buddy in here, So I just I it makes me wonder, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this another one of his buddies And it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know you, let's just work together again type of
Speaker 1: thing versus Am I really just looking strictly at your resume,
Speaker 1: resume and your accomplishment, you know, I hope that makes
Speaker 1: sense what I try to say, Dave. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's got a ton of NFL experience.
Speaker 1: Obviously he was with McCarthy and Green Bay, and from
Speaker 1: what I read this morning, it seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: people around the packers have a favorable opinion of him.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend like I know the whole book
Speaker 1: on his career, but yeah, you know, no disrespect to
Speaker 1: Mo Linguist, but you know, he was coming from Texas,
Speaker 1: A and M. This guy's been around the NFL for
Speaker 1: a fairly long time, so I definitely don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with it. I don't I don't know that I'm
Speaker 1: informed enough to be like, yeah, this is an amazing
Speaker 1: higher but I'm certainly not against it. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: all all in all, I think there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of reason why you would you would want to think
Speaker 1: that maybe they want to do something different if you
Speaker 1: look at the parts of the team that didn't perform
Speaker 1: up to snuff. Secondaries one area where you look at
Speaker 1: and you say they did have some some really big
Speaker 1: issues throughout the season. Um, and I'd be interested to see.
Speaker 1: I know there's a little bit of concern on a
Speaker 1: part of some people that are observing this from the
Speaker 1: standpoint that this is a guy that came from Atlanta
Speaker 1: where last year they had one of the worst passive defense,
Speaker 1: if not I think the worst past defense in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And and it to me, the first thing that popped
Speaker 1: into my mind was, and I know we talked about
Speaker 1: this on the show last year when the Cowboys went
Speaker 1: up and got Don Terry Po and Gerald McCoy from
Speaker 1: Carolina where they had the worst pass defense in the
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And then I mean, it's our run defense.
Speaker 1: And then you bring them in here and you think
Speaker 1: your run defense is going to get better, it's And
Speaker 1: again that is not necessarily saying that Dan win and
Speaker 1: if they make this move with Joe Witt that they
Speaker 1: won't be able to make this defense better. But that
Speaker 1: was the first thing that popped into my mind that
Speaker 1: you have to be cautious. And I do think that
Speaker 1: some of the people that are having that reaction, I
Speaker 1: think it's a fair reaction to have when you look
Speaker 1: at the production that they had last year that they
Speaker 1: got out of that Atlanta defense. Real quick, before we
Speaker 1: tie up this conversation, I wanted to read this. Our
Speaker 1: producer Chris Beam in the break, pulled up some of
Speaker 1: the stats we had asked this question earlier about where
Speaker 1: they got the talent for that Seattle defense that became
Speaker 1: one of the best of all time. I want to
Speaker 1: run this down for you guys. Here were the guys
Speaker 1: and where they would draft at Cliff April third round pick,
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett, undrafted free agent, Brandon Mebaye, third round pick,
Speaker 1: Chris Clemens, undrafted free agent Rett Bryant fourth round pick,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Smith's seventh round pick, Bobby Wagner's second round pick,
Speaker 1: kJ Wright fourth round pick, Bruce Irvan first round pick,
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman fifth round pick, Earl Thomas first round pick,
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor fifth round pick, and Byron Maxwell sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: They only had two first round picks on that defense,
Speaker 1: one second round pick. Everyone else was third or below,
Speaker 1: a couple of the guys being undrafted free agents. That
Speaker 1: I think it's what's the most impressive about getting Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: Is you getting a guy that built that defense out
Speaker 1: of guys that were not highly touted. They were not
Speaker 1: guys that were highly drafted. They were primarily guys they
Speaker 1: brought in that they thought fit and they coached him
Speaker 1: up and got them ready to play. Dave, you have something.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm quibbling, like, yes, Michael Bennett was
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. They also signed him in free
Speaker 1: agency after several very successful seasons in Tampa Bay. I mean,
Speaker 1: they did not develop him from nothing into something. He
Speaker 1: was already ann commodity when they signed him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's really impressive. I've written stories over the years. I mean,
Speaker 1: Seattle laid the blueprint for what everybody has tried to
Speaker 1: do over the last decade, which is hit on the
Speaker 1: draft and find a quarterback on a rookie contract who
Speaker 1: can help you pay all those guys before he needs
Speaker 1: his own pay day, I guess, and people deserve credit
Speaker 1: for that. Like I said, like I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: take anybody's credit away, but with each passing year, it
Speaker 1: just goes to show how hard that is to achieve.
Speaker 1: I'm Seattle just extended their GM. John Schneider, who was
Speaker 1: the architect of those drafts. Seahawks fans will probably tell
Speaker 1: you they really haven't been that great in the draft
Speaker 1: since then. I mean, you know, they found DK Metcalf,
Speaker 1: they found a few other really good players, but they
Speaker 1: have not hit with near the consistency that they did
Speaker 1: when they had the drafts that put that team together. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, people deserve credit for it. But it's
Speaker 1: just not realistic to think you're gonna do that because
Speaker 1: it happens very, very rarely, and no doubt that's my
Speaker 1: only point. I guess. The way I look at it
Speaker 1: is I'm not asking you to build the twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. I'm asking you to take a few players
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys gotten third, fourth, fifth rounds and TOURNAMENTO players.
Speaker 1: If you can do that, and as we've all said
Speaker 1: on this show, if you can get this defense to
Speaker 1: play middle of the row football and you got your
Speaker 1: pieces on offense, I think this team can be successful.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to be the best of all time.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to have a good defense, a relatively
Speaker 1: good defense. Bro That was twenty thirteen. Zoom was created
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, so I mean they didn't
Speaker 1: even have virtual stuff going on right now, so hopefully
Speaker 1: that they won't have to figure that out. All intence,
Speaker 1: you're about to wrap up the show, I'll just take
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Yeah. Well, what I was gonna do is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go through each one of you guys, and
Speaker 1: I want you all to pick all four games real
Speaker 1: quick before we in the show. Nick, you got Chiefs, Ravens, Packers, Saints.
Speaker 1: But Chiefs, Ravens, Packers, Saints, all right, and that be
Speaker 1: four winners? All right? Yeah? They all plan? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Dave Um, I really like I don't all I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say is I want to see the Chiefs play the Bills,
Speaker 1: and I want to see the Packers play the Saints
Speaker 1: like I want those two matchups. I think those are
Speaker 1: probably the four most complete teams in the NFL. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously that doesn't mean everything because we you know,
Speaker 1: the Rams already screwed that up because I wanted to
Speaker 1: see the Sea Hawks in the next round against Screen
Speaker 1: Bay as well. Um, so there's no guarantee that that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, or I guess they probably would have played
Speaker 1: the Saints whatever, the point being, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. I certainly think that Rams defense is
Speaker 1: capable of stopping the Packers, but I want to see
Speaker 1: Rogers breeze and the Bills versus Mahomes. I think those
Speaker 1: are the best possible matchups. So that's what I'm hoping happens,
Speaker 1: all right, Amber, I, Um, we didn't really do a
Speaker 1: good job last week, but this is a new week. No,
Speaker 1: y'all were three and three. Oh you took Tom Brady. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you were trying, and I did try. Y'all talk
Speaker 1: to me. You also told us Alex Smith is gonna
Speaker 1: play Derek. Well, yeah, I was hoping. I don't think
Speaker 1: you would have played as well as that kid did. Also, Hey,
Speaker 1: my apologies to the Cleveland Browns. You deserve it. I
Speaker 1: called y'all frauds. I still think you're frauds, but you
Speaker 1: deserve you sound like Stealer's Day, You really credit. You
Speaker 1: sound like Juju and in Claypool. Right, do you think that?
Speaker 1: Do you think the Browns are gonna beat the Chiefs? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I will say this, if
Speaker 1: they were playing any of those other teams, well maybe
Speaker 1: not the Bills, I think they will give them a game,
Speaker 1: and I would not be shocked if we come in
Speaker 1: here next week and they actually won, that wouldn't shock me.
Speaker 1: But because they are playing really well right now and
Speaker 1: they've got the right pieces, they definitely do well. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is gonna happen. But I'm picking all
Speaker 1: the home teams, looking at all the matchups, every team
Speaker 1: that I would choose to win, it's playing at home,
Speaker 1: So Green Bay, Buffalo, the Chiefs, and then New Orleans.
Speaker 1: All right, and I'm gonna go with all the same
Speaker 1: picks that you guys have, Bills, Chiefs, Saints except for Rams.
Speaker 1: I think the Rams are gonna upset the Green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers this weekend in Green Bay. I think that's that
Speaker 1: that Rams team. I like that defense, and I think
Speaker 1: they match up well with with what the what what
Speaker 1: Green Bay does. If you can shut down Davante Adams
Speaker 1: or at least a gym, which they got Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: then you got a shot against Green Bay, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what they can do. So we'll see this
Speaker 1: goes be some fun football this weekend. I hope Nick's
Speaker 1: a little more excited this weekend than he was last week.
Speaker 1: In every game, there we go. That's why I watched
Speaker 1: every game, not every player, but I watched every I
Speaker 1: got the Twitter fights about you know what, I will
Speaker 1: never understand what anyone does with a two point conversion.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't get it anymore. I don't
Speaker 1: understand it. Whatever it is. People have their own theories. Cool,
Speaker 1: don't it shocks me what people do with two point conversions?
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, what it is? All right, appreciate you guys,
Speaker 1: you want us. We'll be back next Wednesday. We'll get
Speaker 1: into some more topics concerning the Cowboys till then. For Nick,
Speaker 1: even Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia, I am Derek Eagleton. This
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