WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Jaylon’s Future 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.320 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:20.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.200 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.520 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:33.920 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:40.199 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.680 It is Wednesday, January thirteenth, twenty twenty one, season sixteen, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.519 episode number ninety three. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.559 The Break, presented by Geico. We are alive from the 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.160 s WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we've got some 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.360 time here to talk to you guys about Cowboys football. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.240 We're gonna talk a little bit about a couple hires 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.120 the Cowboys have made here over the last week, some 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.200 rumored hires that might be happening here soon we can 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.720 go around the NFL and our final segment and hopefully 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.200 give some picks or definitely give some picks for the 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.120 upcoming games this weekend in the Divisional round of NFL playoffs, 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.800 and maybe, just maybe we will get to some questions 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.560 from you guys. Amber has some ready in case we 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:27.679 get there. In the final segment, how's everybody doing today? Good? Derek, great, Derek, awesome, 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.800 everybody's good. Let's jump in. Let's talk about what nothing? Okay, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.680 let's talk about Mike Nolan. Uh. This last week we 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.520 find out Mike Nolan has been relieved of his duties. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.480 Jim tom Sula, the defensive line coach, also relieved of 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.440 his duties, and then the Cowboys going to make a 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.600 hire or they hire dan Quinn. M He was the leader, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.480 the defensive coordinator of the top defense in the league 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.200 in twenty thirteen and in twenty and fourteen with the 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.680 Seattle Seahawks. He won Super Bowl while he was there 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.040 in Seattle, and then he went on to be the 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.320 head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, took that team to 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.640 the Super Bowl. That was the infamous melt down of 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.840 the twenty eight to three league that they gave up. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.200 What were your initial reactions to the hiring of Dan 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.799 Quinn and the firing of Mike Noel Nichols start, We 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.160 got you gotta make a change. Obviously we hinted at it. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.800 We don't like seeing guys, you know, lose jobs or whatever. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.760 But you can't be okay, and there's a lot of 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.119 reasons for it. It wasn't all his fault. I'm sure 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.640 he's still a good football coach, but you gotta make 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.760 a change, and so they did, and they got a 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.079 guy that that has is a proven defensive coordinator. Um, 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.799 it's not that Nolan wasn't, but you know, he's had 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.200 more success and I think that you know, it'll it'll be, 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.560 It'll be a good change. My own thought is is 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.799 I just hope that he'll have a chance to get 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.919 on the field and actually get to coach, because that 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.520 is that's what hurt Mike Nolan, that's what hurt Jim 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.760 thom Sewel had heard all those guys, and I hopefully 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.359 he'll get a chance to do that with his staff. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.880 You know, I know it's part of my job and 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.079 all that to comment on things like this, but at 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.440 the same time, I'm just in a weird space right 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.680 now where I haven't really been able to really hit 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.960 the reset the reset button and have like a clear 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.320 mindset and a clean slate. Right now, I'm just like, okay, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.360 because of what happened last year, and we talked so 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.840 much about all of this new coaching staff having so 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.600 much experience and all that and then Quinn. He has 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.919 a great resume. I mean, you look at the things 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.679 he's done and it's great, and you yeah, there is 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.799 excitement that goes along with that. But at the same time, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.600 right now, I'm just in that kind of mentaliated that 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.880 man I've been there, a guy in that excitement, but 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.680 now I just need to see it happening. I need 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.040 to see it happening on the field. I needed, you know, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.480 not just getting excited about the coach itself and then 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.280 the experience they bring all that. I just I'm lacking 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.320 the whole translation onto the players and the whole translation 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.960 onto the field because I feel it just hasn't happened 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:03.320 yet with the boys. So yes, good hire, great background, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.120 great resume, but it's gonna take some time for me 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.560 myself to be convinced until I actually see it happening 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.680 on the field. Dave nothing wrong with that, which actually 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.720 a g I think. I think your reservations are exactly 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.159 why Dan Quinn is the defensive coordinator here, because Jerry 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.640 Jones will paint you a roadmap. If you're willing to 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.000 dig through Jerry speak, He'll he'll tell you what he wants. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.200 And he spent the last month on the radio, you know, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.000 when he would do media interviews talking about you know, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.120 they underestimated how hard it would be to change schemes 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.080 during a pandemic. They underestimated, you know, the lack of 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.120 practice time, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I can picture with 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:51.119 perfect clarity these behind closed doors meetings where Jerry Jones 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.000 was like, we're not doing this again. I don't want 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.760 to go through this type of transition. I don't want 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.440 to hear the excuses when it doesn't work. So what 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.840 did they do. They went and got a guy who 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.039 runs a scheme that they've been running for the last 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.200 three years. I mean, this is Chris Richard's scheme. Is 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.480 that it's the Seattle scheme that got so famous in 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.680 the first half of this decade. I mean, obviously it's 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.560 not going to be exactly the same dan Quinn's a 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.560 different coach, but this is a system that every guy 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.400 that's been here for more than a couple of years 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.040 should know how to run. Whether that's the linebackers, whether 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.839 that's the pass rushers, like, everybody here should have a 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.160 basic level of familiarity with what they're being asked to do. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.760 And I don't think that's a coincidence because obviously, you know, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.320 we all have the highest hope for twenty twenty one 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.719 and what might be to come, but nobody knows what 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.560 the offseason is going to look like, nobody knows how 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.240 much time they're going to be able to be together, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.279 and so with all of that working against them, I 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.599 think they wanted a guy who could realistically install the 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.840 defense during a pandemic basically, and that's I mean, on 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.159 top of being an accomplished coach. I think dan Quinn 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.240 gives them that. Yeah, I think day that's a great 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.119 point because in his previous the one thing he's always 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.840 been saying to do with his defense is is focus 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.000 on making the same the scheme simpler, allowing players to 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.200 play fast, knowing what we know about this team and 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.720 the challenges of COVID that may not be complete by 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.720 the time they get to the offseason training. How much 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.920 of a difference does do you think that makes for 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.719 this defense having that kind of defensive coordinator, nick Um, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.520 You know, I think this year, you know that here's 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.880 one of the things that I think, you know, Jerry 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.920 beats himself up about too much about about trying to 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.479 make changes during a pandemic. I mean, I just it 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.960 wasn't It wasn't a pandemic. But I mean, we thought 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.640 we were going to be back in April. We thought 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.240 we'd be back in May, and then May, we thought 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.440 maybe July, and then July it would be done. And 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.240 so you have to move forward and you and I 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.359 think that nobody realized that was going to be like 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.080 this all the way into January and who knows how long. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.479 So now now you know, now you know what you 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.520 can do, and now you can go back to what 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.839 these players can do. And I think I think that 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.479 McCarthy has a better idea of what these guys and 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.120 I'm talking about the core players that are still here, 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:13.920 d Law, you know, Randy Gregory, Sean Lee if he 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.160 still if he comes back, of course, Jalen Smith, Light 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.600 and Vanderish, those kind of guys what they can do. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.960 And I think that now you look at it and say, 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.320 what do these guys do best, and let's get a 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.000 scheme that fits him. Before it was just like let's 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.600 just run a multiple scheme and all that, but that 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:34.840 didn't work. These players didn't adapt well to that. Camber well, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.560 you know, I mean like we've said, we have to 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.520 wait and see what happens this year with COVID and 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.160 the offseason and all of that. But I just I 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.680 have my fingers crossed, and I just hope this is 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.760 not another year where now we're like, Okay, the coaching 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.200 change was good, but now the talent still sucks and 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.840 the players we need better talent. So I just, oh my, please, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.760 let's not have that conversation. I hope they make the 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.000 right moves, they get the kind of guys in here. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.160 But then there's the whole other aspect of like, Okay, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.200 have these new guys had enough time to practice with 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.680 the vettering guys and like just building the team, the 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.080 defensive team together, piecing it all together. So that's another 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.920 aspect that you also have to look at bettering guys, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.480 whether that's free agency, through free agency, hiring, or through 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.920 the draft. Okay, how are they gonna come in here 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.160 and fit together? And how's that gonna look once you 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.400 start putting all this pieces together. So again, I'm just 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.800 hoping this is not a year where Okay, now it's 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.600 not a coaching issue. Now it's okay, we need another 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.800 year to address the talent and have it work together. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:47.360 Dave and Quinn was going to be the higher I've 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.440 said this a few times, and I want to make 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.320 sure I'm saying it the right way because I've called 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.280 it all. It's almost like a knee jerk reaction, and 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.640 typically people associate that in a bad way, but I 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.080 don't mean it in a bad way. And it kind 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.840 of goes back to my point is like, obviously it 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.360 was disastrous what they tried to do. It didn't work, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:11.160 and so it almost feels like they're overcorrecting, going back 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.360 to what they know. But again, I don't think that's 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.760 necessarily a bad thing. Sure, it would be great to 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.959 implement a new scheme and be multiple and be complex, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.400 but it's hard to do during a pandemic. It did 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.480 not work for whatever reason. And again, like, we could 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.800 be dealing with this for another year. I really hope 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.319 we aren't, but that's just the reality of the situation. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.480 They might have to do another virtual offseason in twenty 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.360 twenty one and so, and you know, you know, does 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.760 Mike McCarthy can he afford to be like, well, eventually 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.800 we'll have a normal off season and I can do 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.280 what I want. By the time that happens. He could 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.840 have had two or three losing seasons trying to implement 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.920 this complex defense, and then he's out of a job. So, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.160 regardless of what's going on with the pandemic, you got 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.360 to do something that yields results, and you got to 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.640 do it quickly after what we watched this year. So 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.840 I do not blame them for doing this because we've 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.959 seen that it can work. I mean, they were they 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:09.199 were top ten in twenty eighteen, and they were decent 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.679 last year, and we've always said, like, you only need 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.200 to be decent with the offense that this team has, 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.840 and I think this gives them the best chance to 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.480 be decent quickly, Whereas if you're trying to overhaul it 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.839 again for the second time in two years, who knows 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.560 what you're gonna get, you know. I thought our mail 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.319 back question today was interesting, and it's kind of a 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.920 difference of people that view things half glass, you know, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.640 glass half full or half empty, And it's the question 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.960 is do you think that hiring Dan Quinn is an 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.520 indication that the front office believes it has the right 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.760 players on defense, it just needs the right scheme. And 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.640 I actually said I disagree on that. I do too. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.679 I think it's the other way. I think it's they 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.560 don't feel like they have the right players. They just 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.720 need a coach in a scheme that'll help coach them up. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.600 I don't know how you guys feel about that, but 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.160 there's two different ways to look at it. But now 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.080 I don't think the players are here at all. I 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.080 think that's exactly right. And the reason why I do 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.440 is because if you guys remember, like the reason why 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.719 they went to the defensive staff that they brought in 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.760 last year and what we heard, I remember Cheetos saying 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.559 this cynic press conference, we're not gonna be as as 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.680 vanilla as we've been. We're gonna be We're gonna have 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.720 more complex defense. We're gonna give them different kinds of looks. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.600 They went from simple to complex this last year, and 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.719 I think in going back to simple, I think what 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.200 it says to me is the problem was not the 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.440 scheme in the first place. The problem is the players. 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.800 So I'm very interested now to see what happens with 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.320 a lot of these players. Are they going to really 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.000 really invest this offseason in the draft and in free 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.440 agency possibly to bringing in better players, because I think 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.360 this is just an admission that the direction they went 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.440 was was a direction that was that ultimately showed them 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:51.320 the exact same thing. Your players aren't good enough, which 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.839 that reminds me. You know, I don't want to paraphrase 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:58.199 too much, but Chris Rochard was on a podcast during 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.199 the season. I mean, let's not ourselves like you can 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.880 make any scheme complex, you know what I mean, Like 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.120 this scheme can be complex. And I think that the 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.520 intimation from listening to that podcast was, you know, did 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.920 they trust the talent that they had to be complex 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.680 within that scheme? I don't know. And yeah, I mean, no, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.840 the talent's not here, and that I mean, if the 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.560 talent was here, that scheme one or got the Seahawks 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.839 to two super Bowls and almost one them both. I mean, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.720 it's always going to be about talent. And I think again, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.800 this scheme gives them a chance to be respectable with 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.679 the talent that's here. But yeah, I mean, they gotta 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.120 they gotta keep adding to it. They absolutely do. All right, 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.760 we're gonna take another I was just gonna say that 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.120 this the fact, like to me, how I see things 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.640 with play or like if it's me trying to follow 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.880 someone's voice as far as the leader, and it comes 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.480 down to the defensive coordinator. With the way that the 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.440 last season went down and seeing how he wasn't able 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.640 to lead them to success earlier on in the season, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.679 you start losing that kind of respect right as far 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.040 you know who you who that voice is, you lose respect. 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.440 And I feel like this year maybe there is a 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.240 different kind There will be a different kind of pressure 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.480 because now you change that voice, you bring someone in 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.720 that has very proven success in the past, and then 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.480 now it's I think it just shines more line on 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.040 these players and more accountability. Now you don't have the 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.160 excuse are like, oh, it's just too complicated or whatever. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.760 Now it's really on you and what you can do 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.080 as a player. Yep, let's do this. I want to 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.160 have a question for you guys that I'm gonna there 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.280 are four different characteristics or four different things about Dan 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.040 Quinn that I think stand out, and I'm gonna give 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:52.720 you all four and then I want each of you 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.679 guys to rank for me one through four which one 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.760 you think matters the most all the way from what 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.520 matters the most what matters the least? All Right, here 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.560 are the four. First, he specialized as a defensive line coach. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.480 We know all the issues they've had on the defensive line, 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.880 So him specializing as a defensive line coach, how much 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.240 does that matter? Two he coordinated one of the greatest 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.599 defenses of all time in the two thousand and three Seahawks. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.640 Three he worked with both three four and four three schemes, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.720 so he can do either one and four. He's been 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.360 to three Super Bowls with two teams. He was the 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.080 defensive coordinator Seattle, obviously head coach in Atlanta. Let's start 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.720 first with you, Amber, how would you rank those four 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.120 things as far as most important matters, most down to 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:39.800 matters least. I think to me what matters most is 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:45.760 his ability and flexibility in changing schemes and just having 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.240 that experience with both of them. Obviously, that's something that 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.400 we saw that cow we struggle with, So I think 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.120 that's really going to be beneficial to him and the 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:58.320 team in what deciding what direction to go with. Second, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.560 I think, uh, you said one of the top defenses 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.360 and then the Super Bowl right, yep, and the defensive 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:13.240 line coach yep. I would say leading a defense that 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.000 was that had a really, really good reputation because to me, again, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.600 I want to listen to a voice that has validity, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.360 that has recognition, that has the experience, and because that 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.640 makes me want to listen to you. So I think 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.440 that really matters to me. And then third, I would say, um, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:36.360 the defensive line coaching experience there, that's something that we 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.360 saw the CAB we struggle with as well this past year, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.240 So I think that's going to be beneficial too. And 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.880 then last, probably the super Bowl. I mean, yes, that's 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:52.560 important too, but I think that like building the basics 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.120 and having that voice and all of that is just 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.280 more important than just saying, oh, we made it to 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.440 the super Bowl, because so many of the different things 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.360 can't happen for you to get to the super Bowl? 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:07.120 Got it, Dave? With all due respect to Dan Quinn, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.600 I don't care at all at this point that he 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.200 coached the Seahawks defense, and first of all, it was 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.000 a decade ago, and second of all, you know that 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.200 defense is probably gonna send four guys to the Hall 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.240 of Fame, or at least they're going to have cases 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.960 to be Hall of famers. So congrats. I mean, Chris 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.400 Richard got all of that credit when he got here too. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.040 For me, the big thing is probably the defensive line expertise, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.920 you know, if that's if that's what he excels at. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.280 I mean, the most expensive and best player on your 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.360 defense is DeMarcus Lawrence. So anything to help him. I 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.400 don't want to say recapture his game, because I you know, 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.320 I think he's a lot better than most fans want 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.440 to give him credit for and media for that matter, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.680 not just fans, but even still, I mean, if you 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.400 could get him back to being a twelve, thirteen, fourteen 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.560 sack kind of guy, that would be great. And then 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.040 I'm interested to see, you know, what he does with 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.160 the other pieces he has. You know, he's kind of 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.480 famous for having that LEO position, which is like it's 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.399 like a linebacker designated pass rusher hybrid role. That's something 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.000 Randy Gregory could do. I've said a couple of times, 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.600 I think maybe it's something Jalen Smith could do. You know, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.520 maybe maybe hiring Dan Quinn is a way that you 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.080 can try to reclaim Jalen Smith's career. So that's the 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.560 big thing for me. And then probably you know, just 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.960 the fact that he's been to Super Bowls does matter 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.000 to me. Though, just because I think people will will 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.400 listen to and follow a guy that's, you know, achieved 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.359 that level of success in the NFL, because lord knows, 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.760 there aren't very many guys on this team, if any. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.800 Are there any guys on this team that have been 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.560 that deep in the playoffs? Ever, I guess Alden Smith, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.360 and we don't know if we don't know if he's 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.240 going to be back. So yeah, having oh well, and 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.320 I mean Mike McCarthy obviously, but having guys in the 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.959 building who know what it takes to get there, I 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.000 think is important. Hey, Dave, I got a question for you, 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.080 and I honestly don't know the answer to this, so 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.680 you you may not know either, But you mentioned those 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.840 guys from Seattle that are that you would say are 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.280 heading to the Hall of Fame. They will part of 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.320 that defense, if my memory serves correct. A number of 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.600 those guys and I Richard Sherman jumps to mine, Michael 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.600 Bennett jumps to mind. They were not highly touted players 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.440 when they got there, Like they weren't first round picks. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.040 These were not guys that you brought them like you thought, hey, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.919 they're great, like somebody had to help coach them up 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.200 to get them to that point. Is that it was 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.120 that a kind of a crossboard. Obviously, I know Earl 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.520 because he came from Texas. He was a high draft pick. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.480 But the other guys I don't think they were were 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.720 they How do you let me just do my point, Wagner? 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.359 Did I just go your point? Yeah? My turn? Okay, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.800 go ahead, Dick. Sorry, not number one. And it's Nick, 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.880 by the way, but number one is uh. I think 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.560 for me, it's Seattle. It's it's it's getting it's creating Seattle, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.440 making Seattle a great defense. That would be the number 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.600 one thing for me, and Dave said it was last 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.080 it'd be number one for me. D Line coach would 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.760 be number two. And then going to three super Bowls 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.919 and then the four three, three fourth scheme. I've just 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:03.000 dismissed that because this team doesn't need it. Don't confuse them, No, 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.119 just just whatever it is. I mean, it's cool that 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.240 you can do both, but once you just pick one 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.720 out of the stop it. Yeah. And we'll get to 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.919 this a little bit later on, but I mean, you know, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.560 then the players have to be able to be accountable 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.119 to you know. But but I think and that is 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.000 my point that you were making about the Seattle defense, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.320 those great players. Camp Chancellor was a fifth round pick, 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.800 um and ar Old Thomas was a first round pick, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.200 and there's no doubt he was great. Richard Sherman was 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.159 a fourth round pick, um Byron Maxwell sixth round, and 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.119 then some of these other guys. Now, Bobby Wagner was 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.119 on that team, right, Yes he was. Bobby Wagner was 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.840 the second round so he was the second round pick kJ. Right, 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.679 I don't know what round he was drafted. I mean 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.439 the MVP who came here, Malcolm Smith, I mean he 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.760 was he was not, you know, so Michael Bennett one 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.440 of their best pass right. So I say that because 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.119 that they developed a scheme around players that weren't, you know, 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.080 highly talented all that. And they have some of those 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.520 guys here. But they're gonna have to do that as well. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.240 They're gonna have to get second, third, fourth round picks, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.280 not just from this draft, but but early other guys, 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.919 some some cast off, some free agents and mold them together. 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.760 And so I think that's really important that he was 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.320 able to do that. All Right, we're gonna check our 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.879 first break, but they do you have something I just 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.920 I'm the reason. And obviously when you when you find 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:26.920 Hall of famers, I mean, you get credit for that, 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:31.080 But I just I lean more toward thinking that's almost 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.360 lightning in a bottle. I mean, he hasn't been able 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.399 to recreate that in Atlanta when he was running a team. 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:38.480 I mean, you know, they've spent a ton of draft 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.199 picks on defensive players. I'm planning on writing about that 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.760 this week, and they've had some success. But when you 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.399