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Speaker 1: Welcome back to It's a Members Game with Ryan Gradusky.

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Speaker 1: So if you were to tell someone in November of

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, right after Donald Trump won his first time

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Speaker 1: winning the presidency, that he was going to build a

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Speaker 1: the first time he won the presidency on what the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media deemed as a grievance culture, a white grievance culture,

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Speaker 1: that he was going to assemble a multicultural, multi racial,

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Speaker 1: working class coalition that would deliver the White House, the Senate,

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives, and the popular vote. They would

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Speaker 1: not believe you. Perhaps it's why the mainstream media seems

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Speaker 1: so defeated in the light of Trump's most recent victory.

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Speaker 1: His coalition was supposed to be Jim Bobbs and Mary Bell's,

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Speaker 1: not Julio's and Tyrones. But that's what it's become. While

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Speaker 1: the best exit polling information is not yet available, PE

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Speaker 1: Research Center TENSPE considered like the gold standard for presidential

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Speaker 1: exit polling, but they take like six to eight months

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Speaker 1: to assemble all their research. We have some information, We

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Speaker 1: certainly have some precinct information for how certain groups voted

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Speaker 1: according to the AP vote cast, which is the Associated

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Speaker 1: Presses exit polling, and they're they're decent, They're pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Trump won twenty five percent of black men and forty

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Speaker 1: eight percent of Latino men. Those are the two numbers

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Speaker 1: I want listeners to remember, especially when it was the men.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five percent of Black men forty eight percent of

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Speaker 1: Latino men. Obviously, that's not enough to win a presidency.

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Speaker 1: Those two numbers. I mean Trump won because he received

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Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of white voters, especially whites without white

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Speaker 1: voters without a college degree. That's the back win of

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Speaker 1: his coalition. But if building electoral victory of presidential electoral

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Speaker 1: victories like making a cake, while the white vote is

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Speaker 1: the batter, the Latina vote is the icing, and the

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Speaker 1: black vote is the cherry on top and the frosting,

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Speaker 1: you kind of need all three to especially get to

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Speaker 1: a electoral college or popular vote victory. And so that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing. Trump has a new dynamic, multi ethnic,

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Speaker 1: multiracial coalition, the kind that Republicans have been hoping for

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Speaker 1: for a long time. The bad thing for Republicans, though,

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Speaker 1: is that many of these voters are really loyal to

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Speaker 1: Trump and not to the GOP. A lot of them

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Speaker 1: voted for Trump and then for the Democratic congressman down

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Speaker 1: ballot or Democratic senator. Making you know, a problem and

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Speaker 1: making the problem a little harder was that a lot

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Speaker 1: of them live. A lot of these new Republicans live

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Speaker 1: in non competitive districts. Inn AOC's district. It swung to

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Speaker 1: That's why the new Trump coalition is interesting. It's different,

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Speaker 1: and it's is a big mystery of how it will change,

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Speaker 1: how it will grow, and if it will eventually be

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Speaker 1: just kind of how all Republicans vote with me this week.

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Speaker 1: Is a man who predicted the working class multiracial coalition

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Speaker 1: long before anyone else did. Patrick Graffini is the co

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Speaker 1: founder of the polling company Echellent Insights, and he's the

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Speaker 1: author of the book Party of the People Inside the

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Speaker 1: Multiracial Populist Coalition remaking the GOP. Patrick, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Ryan for having me.

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Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations on all your success. I mean

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Speaker 1: the Atlantic wrote about you. Everyone's kind of waking up

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Speaker 1: and smelling the Patrick Graffini coffee right now that you

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Speaker 1: want to start with the obvious question, right, why are minorities,

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Speaker 1: especially young minorities, abandoning their father and grandfather's party. You

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Speaker 2: So we have a long history in this country, I

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Speaker 2: think racially polarized voting that goes back until at least

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Speaker 2: of the Ascendant went by many names, that this idea

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Speaker 2: And that's something that the Republicans could never recover from.

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Speaker 2: But I think that view was always short sighted. It

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Speaker 2: self identification of the Democratic Party. That self identification has

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Speaker 1: And childiscat ladies, and you know, hyper pro criminality, you know.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly so so so I think that that self

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Speaker 2: identity of the Democratic Party. Really, I think loose it right

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Speaker 2: who is a cultural icon, right, who you know is

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Speaker 1: Probably more ring side on the Oval office. I mean

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent right though about that, And I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to ask you one quick thing. So, like,

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Speaker 1: I hate it when people say the word I don't

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Speaker 1: when when political is like they'll say the Asian vote, Well,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? Because Pakistanis and Koreans are very

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Speaker 1: as the Asian population changed through mass immigration, the voting

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Speaker 2: That's right. There is no single Asian community. Hispanic community.

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Speaker 2: You know, you see very different voting patterns from place

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Speaker 2: That just didn't happen. It didn't really happen in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: terms of these are folks who you know, they believe

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Speaker 2: And so this idea right that everything can be boiled

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean the ultimate I hate when adults

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Speaker 1: What does okay? So I was Gon asked this later,

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Speaker 1: need to be pro amnesty and really forgiving of criminality,

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Speaker 2: the time, who were the people fleeing the cities? Who

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Speaker 1: I think now, I think white Catholics voted. I think

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Speaker 1: Hey, we'll be right back after this. I said that

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Speaker 2: really move this time but you know some places moved

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Speaker 2: one or two points, they were still a little bit

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Speaker 2: more resistant. The problem is, you know that that coalition

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Speaker 2: that you know, Kama was speaking to on the Ellipse

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Speaker 2: a week before the election, it's not a majority of Americans, right,

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Speaker 2: These are not the concerns that you're twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: a majority of American American American American people cared.

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Speaker 1: About, right. I mean, you have to be very comfortable

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Speaker 1: in life, very comfortable. We're January sixth still lives in

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Speaker 1: your head every single day, like there has to be

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Speaker 1: nothing else, Like you know, you can afford your bills.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're taking your the right amount of magnesium

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Speaker 1: in the morning, like everything is going well for you

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Speaker 1: to be like, oh yeah, you know what I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about it, January sixth, that's just not where it is.

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Speaker 1: And it was really just college educated whites and black

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Speaker 1: women primarily who were That was the two people that

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Speaker 1: she was speaking the most too repeatedly. Because there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of racial identitarian on the left that the

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Speaker 1: media does not talk about. I mean, the Biden administration

451
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Speaker 1: was successfully sued for discriminating against white farmers. They were

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Speaker 1: totally opposed to the Harvard case with the discrimination of Asians.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they did a lot of like race baiting

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Speaker 1: of their own, but it was always, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Republicans that were the racist you're listening to it's a

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Speaker 1: numbers game with Ryan Gerdsky. We'll be right back. The

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Speaker 1: interesting thing is that a lot of these voters who

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Speaker 1: vote and this is not This is very common when

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Speaker 1: new people approached a party. This was very common when

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Speaker 1: Nixon and Reagan won in the seventies and eighties and sixties,

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Speaker 1: seventies and eighties. A lot of these voters voted for

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Speaker 1: Trump and then either did not vote down ballot or

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Speaker 1: voted Democrat down back because they were comfortable with a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. Why do you think that is that

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Speaker 1: because the Trump brand is still uniquely different than the

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Speaker 1: Republican brand as far as working class issues goes.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that I'm a little bit less

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Speaker 2: pessimistic on this question. And yes, I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there is absolutely Trump is you know, people change parties

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Speaker 2: for the top of the ticket, right, I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you're going to change long standing voting patterns, it's going

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Speaker 2: to be because there's somebody at the top of the

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Speaker 2: ticket who is uniquely, you know, uniquely somebody who you

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Speaker 2: resonate with, somebody who speaks your language, right, somebody who

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Speaker 2: really provides that personal connection and vision. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it takes and may take a couple of cycles before

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Speaker 2: people are voting down ballot, you know, for your congressional

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Speaker 2: campaign at the same rate as they're voting for a

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump at the top of ticket. Who is somebody

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Speaker 2: who realigns these core demographics that said, right, you are

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Speaker 2: seeing the share of the vote earned by Republican down

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Speaker 2: ballot candidates also move up in this Trump you know,

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Speaker 2: Trump era. Yeah, you're seeing it cycle after cycle, Like

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the basis for comparison, right is,

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Speaker 2: you know, what is a down ballot you know, senate

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Speaker 2: candidate getting compared to their last selection? What were they

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Speaker 2: getting compared to four years ago, six years ago? And

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Speaker 2: that number is os higher in the same way that

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Speaker 2: the Republican presidential vote is oas higher. And we've seen

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Speaker 2: this before. We saw this in the South, right when

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Speaker 2: the South realigned, it always realigned it was voting for

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Speaker 2: Reagan at the top of the ticket and just sending

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of Democrats to Congress. And that took

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Speaker 2: really until nineteen ninety four for that to break, and

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Speaker 2: that was thirty years after the initial shift towards the

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Speaker 2: Republican party.

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Speaker 1: Well it took I really, it took to twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: I mean because Mississippi state legislature was Democrat, West Virginia's

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Speaker 1: was Democrat, Arkansas was Democrats had two Democratic senators from

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Speaker 1: Arkansas in two thousand and eight that who were unopposed

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Speaker 1: by the way, Republicans even run against I think what

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Speaker 1: was it, Lincoln and Blanche link It or something like that.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even run opponents against her because it was

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Speaker 1: too hard for Republican to win Arkansas. That wasn't two

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Speaker 1: thousand and I'm like six, Like that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: But that's right. So hopefully it doesn't take as long

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Speaker 2: this time. But but this idea of you know, their

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Speaker 2: on a trajectory, but there's always there is this kind

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Speaker 2: of note. There is this a term for it's called

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Speaker 2: down ballot lag right that that you know, people initially

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Speaker 2: kind of say, you know, I'm gonna switch chef for

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Speaker 2: one person, but then they I only realize in the end, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Republican. And by the way, I mean, look

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Speaker 2: it happens on the other side too, right. You know,

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, you have a lot of people voting

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Speaker 2: didn't like Trump in these suburbs, but still voting for

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Speaker 2: your you know, friendly local Republican congressional candidate. And by

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen that was no longer you know, that that

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Speaker 2: was sort of out the window. So I think if

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Speaker 2: people are going to get more and more aligned in

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Speaker 2: these you know, with their new parties over time, because

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Speaker 2: I think that's where their values are, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: they identify, you know, their values are conservative. They identify

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Speaker 2: as conservative. You know, maybe they don't have a party label,

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Speaker 2: then maybe they're moving away from the Democrats. But when

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Speaker 2: you look at where these voters are on the issues,

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Speaker 2: it's not surprising, right well, I mean it's starting to

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Speaker 2: vote that.

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Speaker 1: I mean even in this allig I mean, think about this,

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Speaker 1: if you're old, especially if you were around like that

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Speaker 1: in the nineties. There are more Republicans, and Republicans do

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Speaker 1: better in Queens, New York than in Westchester. Like that

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Speaker 1: is absurd, It was unthinkable. How do the Republicans, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: Trump has had twelve years or who will have twelve

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Speaker 1: years when this is all over of absolutely the craziest

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Speaker 1: political story in American history or definitely one of the

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Speaker 1: top three. How does the next Republican whomever it be,

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Speaker 1: or the candidates running for the future, how do they

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Speaker 1: keep that momentum going towards the right, towards the working class.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think every canon has to chart their own path.

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Speaker 2: That's what I would I would tell any cannon I'm

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Speaker 2: working for or advising that, you know, if you try

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Speaker 2: to go in and you try to be Trump, if

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Speaker 2: you try to literally be Trump, right, Yeah, that's always

545
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Speaker 2: literally do that. It's not necessarily going to work out

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Speaker 2: well for you, because I think voters want a sense

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Speaker 2: of who you are as a person, what a sense

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Speaker 2: of you know, how you're different.

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Speaker 1: And also, let's say that Trump is the first hilarious

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Speaker 1: president and ninety nine percent of politicians are not funny

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Speaker 1: at all, right, Like they have the most unfunny people

552
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Speaker 1: in the world. So it's hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it will be hard, right from that perspective,

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to underestimate that. With that said,

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Speaker 2: I think the what we're seeing play out now is

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Speaker 2: something we probably would have seen play out anyway, maybe

557
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Speaker 2: in ten years, five years, whatever, you know, because I

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Speaker 2: think this is where global politics has headed. I noticed

559
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Speaker 2: some of you followed closely, right, Yeah, but global politics

560
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Speaker 2: is headed in a place where it's overwhelmingly parties of

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Speaker 2: the right, which are increasingly more populous, you represent the

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Speaker 2: working class in Europe, in America. You're really seeing this

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Speaker 2: in more and more places throughout the world, and it's

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Speaker 2: the parties of the left that you know, increasing represent

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Speaker 2: the educated class. Trump was in a cellar into this,

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Speaker 2: but I think that is the trend for as well,

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Speaker 2: so long as until it's not the trend right right, So,

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Speaker 2: I think that the wind is at the back of

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Speaker 2: sort of more and more minority voters, especially because they're

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Speaker 2: kind of the holdouts at this point. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think we are almost resaturation with white, non college white

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Speaker 2: working class voters. That you still have a lot of

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Speaker 2: low hanging fruit of minority voters who are just conservative

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Speaker 2: on policy and their values, who still vote Democrat, and

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Speaker 2: so I think the idea is continuing to focus squarely

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Speaker 2: on those voters. Yes, I think Trump was uniquely effective,

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Speaker 2: you know, but Trump was maybe not as effective in

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Speaker 2: some other voting blocks that another candidate would be would

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Speaker 2: be as if it would be more effective in so so,

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Speaker 2: but I think that that is really identifying, you know,

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Speaker 2: who really are the votvoters that pro grabs, Who are

582
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Speaker 2: the voters who are just in the wrong party right now?

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Speaker 2: And I think we can continue to just say that

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Speaker 2: those are that's who those voters are. So I think

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Speaker 2: whether or not you believe, right, you know, people are saying, well,

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Speaker 2: this can't realign them. You can't continue forever, right, nobody

587
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: can duplicate this Trump coalition. What I will say, you know,

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Speaker 2: regardless of that, right, I mean, yeah, you're right, parties

589
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: can't keep winning forever. But I think what will be

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Speaker 2: true is Republicans will now be the home of the

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Speaker 2: working class in the same way right that the Democrats

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Speaker 2: used to be the home of the working class. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's increasingly who they have to represent, who

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Speaker 2: they have to wage their campaigns. This is who we're

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Speaker 2: doing this for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the thing that I agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: so agree with you. And what frustrates me is when

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Speaker 1: I go to Washington and I talk to a member

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Speaker 1: of Congress and they're still repeating lines from Ronald Reagan

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Speaker 1: that make me want a Gauther. Not that I hate

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, but like they're such old, stupid platitudes and

602
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Speaker 1: they're so still in the hands of like dumb Wall

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Speaker 1: Street like talking points or think tanks. Right, No, you

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Speaker 1: can't touch big tech, you can't regulate anything, you can't

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Speaker 1: protect the working class in any which way. And it

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Speaker 1: makes me want to scream. And there is that component

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Speaker 1: there that kind of still needs to change. What happens

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Speaker 1: when the white working class and the interest of the

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Speaker 1: white working class and the interests of non whites, like

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Speaker 1: they oppose each other on some things like that is

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Speaker 1: always what the Democrats kind of built their electric on

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Speaker 1: that they're that they're that what brings them together is

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Speaker 1: less strong with what what divides them is that is there?

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Speaker 1: Does that still exist? Is immigration still that wedge issue

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Speaker 1: for Latinos that will like because I mean they did

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Speaker 1: vote for the what it for master deportation? Is it

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Speaker 1: that they think that they support that now in large

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Speaker 1: part or they think he's just not going to do it?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean I think you have to take

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Speaker 2: it a face style. You're right, I mean that Trump

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Speaker 2: made this campaign about immigration away. He didn't even make

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen campaign about immigration and you think that

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Speaker 2: you know the things, the solutions, and the rhetoric at

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Speaker 2: least that you know the policy of just simply building

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Speaker 2: a wall. I mean that seems quaint right in terms

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Speaker 2: of what we're talking about. And you know, he just

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Speaker 2: continues to increase to share those you know, vote because

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of those dynamics bold. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't expect that, you know, Latina and

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Speaker 2: Army of aren't for every single thing, right. I don't

631
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Speaker 2: think every group is gonna be on board for every

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Speaker 2: single thing right in moving forward. But I think you

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Speaker 2: just have to look at the election results and say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think this is sufficient. Uh you know,

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Speaker 2: let's say sufficient. The shift in the direction of Trump

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Speaker 2: in a campaign where he talked about this, I think

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Speaker 2: gives him a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Latitude, right. I suppose even as illegal immigration has changed

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Speaker 1: from being Latino to being a global issue, they also

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Speaker 1: may feel less connection to it. And also their second, third,

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Speaker 1: fourth generation now too, America.

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Speaker 2: Second, your fourth generation you've also had. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: a you know, a mass majority of people here are

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Speaker 2: a Mexican. There's very few Mexicans coming over and so Venezuelans.

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Speaker 2: But then you absolutely to have people from their Third

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Speaker 2: World all over the place just using this, you know,

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Speaker 2: using this weakness that we have along the border and

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Speaker 2: exploiting it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved how Democrats in the media would always

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Speaker 1: sit there and say, oh, Trump comes off like a

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Speaker 1: strong men. I'm like, yeah, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of Third world countries have voted for strongmen in the past,

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Speaker 1: and their voters don't tend to shy away from that

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Speaker 1: just because you say it's a bad thing. Drick. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being honest. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hold you up any longer. Where can people read your

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Speaker 1: stuff and read I love, by the way, I love

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Speaker 1: your polling. They break this down I think once a

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Speaker 1: year or twice a year where they break down the

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Speaker 1: different parties within the party you have, like the you have,

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Speaker 1: like the populous wing of the GP. How many people

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Speaker 1: say they belong to that party or versus the accel

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Speaker 1: a corridor version of that party, like the Centrist Party.

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Speaker 1: I love a lot of what you guys do. It's

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Speaker 1: very creative. Where can everyone get your stuff?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can subscribe you my newsletter which is

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Speaker 2: at on substack, but at Patrick Graffini dot com. You

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Speaker 2: can also follow me on x at Patrick Graffini and

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Speaker 2: by my book Party The People Inside the Multi Racial

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Speaker 2: Populist Coalition Remaking the GOP.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Patrick is one of those people who I will

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Speaker 1: read and they'll be like, I don't know about that, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: and then it will happen. I'm like, well, Patrick is

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Speaker 1: right again. So and you've been You've been a stellar, stellar,

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Speaker 1: stellar two years as far as really reading the tea

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Speaker 1: leaves and telling it like it is, and I like

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Speaker 1: it a lot. So thank you again for a thing

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Speaker 1: coming on. Thank you all for listening. Check out my

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Speaker 1: podcast every Monday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever

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