WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Finding the Odd Man Out 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.480 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.080 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:14.200 Cowboys Let's go. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:15.840 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:16.360 Yes? 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.239 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.040 Absolutely? 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.000 Ready for a break? 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.400 Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.600 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:33.839 Were right with mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:35.760 and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.520 It is Wednesday, August twenty third, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.400 Episode number twenty. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.600 We are a live nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.920 Star and today we've got I've got a lot of 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.800 different topics We're gonna hit. We're gonna talk about some 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.559 bubble guys. I got a whole list of guys that 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.360 I wanted to go through, get some opinions from these 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.560 folks about how they are performing and where they fit 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.120 right now. We also talk about a player that's out 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.360 there that we just have learned over the last couple 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.800 of days is a player that might be available for 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.039 trade and whether the Cowboys might or might not or 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.600 should or should not have interest in one Jonathan Taylor. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.800 We'll talk about that here in a moment. Welcome my 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.880 co host to the stage, Amber Garcia, Patrick Walker, Brian's 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.680 out today, but we'll hold it down, right, we'll hold 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:25.240 it down today. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.680 So let's first start. I want to get some updates 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:29.440 from you, Patrick. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.279 Last night, the Cowboys had a practice here in Frisco 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.600 at the Star Training Camp continues. It was about a 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.520 two hour practice and we kind of saw some different 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.280 things from the standpoint of injuries of people that kind 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.280 of we're back, some were not. Let's talk about some 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.760 of those. Ronald Jones, where is he from an injury standpoint. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.320 Ronald Jones was a limited participant in yesterday's practice. He 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.760 was in full pads and helmet. He did individual drills, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.640 but did not participate in team drills. Once the team 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.000 drills fired up, Rojoe went back to the rehab group. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.640 So that comment from Mike McCarthy saying that Jones would 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.480 be quote unquote challenged to take the field against the Raiders, 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.240 that it's holding true thus far. We'll see what happens 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.160 today in paddi practice, but it's not looking good for 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.720 Ronald Jones. If he does miss obviously, that means he 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.600 will have missed the entirety of the preseason with their 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.080 groin injury. As the Cowboys get into their roster cuts 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.520 and we see that Rico Daludo and Duce Vaughan have 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.080 pretty much cemented their spots. Not a lot of space 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.639 there before will go room jer. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.040 You remember those two games that he's gonna miss in the. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:31.799 Regular two games? 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:36.040 Suspension these largest that Yeah, I did, that's huge. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.200 Two games suspension looms large as well, Matt. Well, let's 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.360 go a little bit more promising news. Matt Let's Go 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.200 was on the field yesterday full uniform, participated in individual 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.919 drills and select team drills with that shoulder injury that 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.920 he suffered against the Seattle Seahawks. So well, Let's Go 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.320 does have appears to have a much better chance of 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.680 taking the field against the Raiders. Great news for a 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.800 Cowboys team that is battling offensive line depth issue and 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.280 needs Well Let's Go to step in and hopefully be 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.359 a front runner for that swing tackle position. Spoke with 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.120 Schoolmaker yesterday as he continues his recovery from plantar fasciaitis. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.680 Great news from the rookie second round pick. Told me 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.440 directly that his foot feels quote unquote like it was 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.400 before end quote the injury, and he's just working on 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.520 getting it stronger now, so sounds as if he's mostly 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.239 passed the injury, if not in its entirety, and he's 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.960 just trying to build up strength and of course get 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.359 his lungs back to be NFL ready for Week one. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.800 So all things considered, Cowboys are starting to get healthier. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.840 Donovan Wilson still on track for Week one. Israe Mukuamu 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.160 returned weeks ago. Obviously, there's the devastating news of losing 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.160 demarveyon overshown in John Stevens, but they've got a plan 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.520 for that. Particularly with overshown. Marquise Bell is going to 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.440 take the lead in that role. We spoke with him 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.440 yesterday and we'll get into that a little bit today. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.720 Talking about Nashan Wright and Elik Jefferson, anything we're hearing on. 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.320 Malik Jefferson still dealing with the foot injury. Didn't see 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.120 him do much yesterday. I think he'd be hard pressed 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:02.720 to get on the field, and that's a shame for 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.400 Jefferson because he was really flying around against the Jacksonville 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.560 Jaguars before he left that game with the foot injury, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.880 and I spoke with him. He still has a little 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.880 bit of a limp. I'd be surprised if he took 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.640 the field, but something to keep an eye on as 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.640 they have padda practice here today. Nashawan Wright, he's out 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.400 of the boot. Did a little bit of work yesterday, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.600 nothing of notes. So again, much like Jefferson, let's see 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.080 what he does in paddi practice today. But without Nashwan Wright, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.840 the onus is going to be on rookie fifth round pick, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.760 sixth round pick Eric Scott, and of course Kelvin Joseph 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.200 former second round pick, to kind of step up as 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.159 the Cowboys hopefully prepare for the return of Jordan Lewis, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.920 which is another positive that's looming on the horizon because 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.560 me having the conversation with Jordan Lewis as recently as 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.360 last week, he said he can do everything. He's doing 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.160 everything full speed, sprinting cuts, He's just trying to get 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.599 his stamina back. Now, does that mean that he beats 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.880 the the September first cut down? And if he does, 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.400 then he's on the active fifty three man roster. If not, 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.560 then he starts the season on pupp and he's down 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.720 for four games before the Cowboys have to figure that out. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.159 So, yeah, that's where they are right now. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.080 Talk to me about best case scenario. Let's assume for 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:13.360 a second that Jordan is ready to play week one 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.919 of the season. Do you think he steps in and 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.400 immediately becomes your slot guy or do you keep Deryan 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.800 Bland there? Because it's clear Deryn Blan is the future. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.520 He is the future for the Cowboys when it comes 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:25.560 to that slot position. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.440 I would not mess with Darron Bland at all. Whatsoever 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.080 he's been. He did an amazing job last year, his 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.080 first year, and then this year he just taking a 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.279 step forward. Everything I see him doing it's good and 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.800 I'm like, wow, I'm impressed by what the just the 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.520 work he's been putting out there, the athleticism, the way 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:52.520 that he's competing. There might be sometimes where he's missed 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.320 a couple of plays things like that that just happened 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.720 by nature of the sport in the game, but all 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.239 in general, there's nothing that he has done that would 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.839 make me want to even consider taking him out on 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.880 the field. He's one of the guys that I would 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.919 want out there as much as possible. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.440 I agree, and I've put this out there on Twitter 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.599 as well when the question was posed, do you play 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.120 do the Cowboys play the roster numbers game when it 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.560 comes to Jordan Lewis and sit him down for four 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.039 games and then have to figure it out later but 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.359 buys you time? Well, number one, this was pre injury 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.200 to overshown and John Stevens. I still wouldn't have done 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.359 that because while I don't believe Jordan Lewis is going 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.200 to hit the ground running as prime Jordan Lewis, I 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.159 still think that Jordan Lewis at eighty percent is better 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.559 than Eric Scott trying to figure it out as a rookie, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.600 and he's better than Kelvin Joseph trying to figure out 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.279 how to play nickel. So Deron Bland in that instance, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.920 you bring Jordan Lewis back, let Deron Bland remain your 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.880 starting nickel and then rotate Lewis in so that he 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.520 can be in mid season four when mid season comes around. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.039 And that's how I would play it that way. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.599 Yeah, I agree with you, and I look at Jordan Lewis, man, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.400 I know, I like Deron Bland's game a lot. I 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.560 think he is one of the more talented young players 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.240 on this team. And ever since he's gotten here, he's 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.680 been flashing since he got here, So I don't want 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.039 to slow that down. But at the same time, I 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.320 look at Jordan Lewis and I'm like to run. Jordan 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.320 Lewis is a really good player. I think he's one 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.400 of the more underrated players over the last several years 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.240 for the Yeah, he's always been and I think it's 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.880 probably because of his size a little bit people underestimate him. 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.520 But he's got to make mix plays. He's not afraid 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.560 to get in there and make the tough tackle like. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.880 He does everything you would want a slot cornerback to do, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.920 and he does it well, and so I'm not really 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.040 ready to write him off. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:34.480 Just shit. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.000 I look at that and I'm like, it's nice to 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:38.720 have a deron Bland and to know he's going to 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.120 be your future. But I want to get everything I 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.000 could possibly get out of Jordan Lewis. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.560 Look what happened last year. You had struggles there at 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.720 corner and guys getting injured going out or players not 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.720 being to play to the level that you needed them, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.760 and you just didn't have anybody else to put it 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.080 in there. So I think that at the end of 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.280 the day, it's all gonna saw itself out, and Jordan 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.080 Lewis will see time on the field. I think he 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.360 will make the roster. It sucks that he's missed all 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:13.480 this time because it just does it takes away from 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.600 what you're trying to build and on top of what 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.640 you already have on the defense. But I just think 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.720 that at some point, you know you're gonna be like, Okay, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.640 we need a corner Well, there's your. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:25.760 Guy, perfectly said. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.360 And to that point, I want every Cowboys fan who 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.600 has this thought in their head of potentially using Jordan 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.600 Lewis's trade bait get it out of here, because there's 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.640 this perennial act or attitude of, oh, well, we are 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.360 already said at this position one, two, three, let's go 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.600 ahead and start trading guy's way. But then what happens 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.040 is you see twenty twenty two and you lose Jordan Lewis, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.160 and then you lose Anthony Brown, and then you lose 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.560 in Jacksonville, and then you lose in Green Bay because 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.640 your cornerback play dropped off quite a bit. Bottom line is, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.080 Jordan Lewis could have been a breakout player for the 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:03.000 Cowboys long before he became one high Chris Rachard, but 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.280 at one point pre digs, Jordan Lewis was the only 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.360 ball hawk in the secondary less people forget so Jordan 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.480 Lewis was doing it and he's not the prototypical corner 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.320 or even nickel corner. So the fact that Jordan Lewis 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.240 will be back to full health, that gives you four 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:26.680 dominant impact cornerbacks Digs Gilmore, Bland, and then Lewis in rotation, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.720 and then that buffers you also against potential injury and 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.840 you don't have to worry about you know what you 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.000 had to worry about in the second half of last season. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.400 Yes, good, Sorry, I was were you gonna ask no, 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.240 NodD Okay, I was just gonna say, since we're on 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.120 topic at the cornerback position, I wanted to ask you 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.319 guys your thoughts on Kelvin Joseph were his ad because 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.319 just a training camp, different practices, I've seen them given 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.280 him a lot of opportunity, Like he's gotten a lot 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.600 of reps with the first team defense, so and he's 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:03.640 always seems to be out just wondering, like, have y'all's 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.600 opinion changed. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.600 As far as like gury evaluation of the player. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.760 Well, here's what I'm gonna do. That was a great 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.800 setup amber, because that was where we were going to 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.200 go in the next, in the next, in the next 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.280 part of this show. We actually that's our top bubble guy, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.199 because I think he is a very very interesting player, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.720 and quite frankly, I do think he relates quite nicely 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.600 to the conversation having about Jordan Lewis, because if Jordans 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.280 oldin roster, what does that mean? How does that affect 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.360 somebody like a Kelvin Joseph. We're gonna take our first 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.440 break when we come back. We're gonna talk a little 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.199 bit about that. We're gonna talk about some players and 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.959 evaluate some different players. 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So if you 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.440 want to get out on Twitter and let me know 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.679 what you think of the studio, we'd love to hear 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:09.320 your feedback. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:09.880 You know we're here. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.640 We'll show the people, So we want to hear from 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.360 the people. Let's know what you think, and we can 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.160 also adapt as we go. If there are certain things 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.400 that you kind of like don't like, we can maybe 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.760 adapt some things. So we'll see how that goes. All right, 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.200 here's what we're gonna do. Let's go ahead and get 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.440 into some of these player evaluations. A lot of these 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.400 guys whose names I'm going to bring up are guys 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:29.960 that I consider to be bubble guys. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:30.720 Some of them may not. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.800 Some of them may be clearly guys that won't make 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.760 the team or clearly will make the team, but I 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.080 think they're worth discussion. So we'll start first with the 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.600 player that we mentioned right before the break, Kelvin Joseph. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.400 He is a very interesting player from the standpoint that 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.640 he was a former second round pick. I would think 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.920 by most people's account, he has not lived up to 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.600 what you would have expected from a second round pick, 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:58.240 although I think here over the last couple weeks, I 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.280 think we've started to see some lashes from him. I 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.400 know in this last game he had two pass defenses. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.960 Now again he's playing against guys that probably won't be 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.199 playing on Sundays come the fall. But that all being said, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:12.800 it still is you. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:13.439 Know, preferable. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.040 You want guys making plays, and he was making some plays. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.760 That being said, what is your assessment of Kelvin Joseph 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.920 as it sits today? We'll start with the Amber since 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.000 you asked me question. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:26.600 My own question. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.560 Let's right, Well, we were talking about it during the 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.160 break a little bit, and I just personally, I'm in 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.360 a weird spot where I don't necessarily know how to 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.560 feel because looking back at last year, I personally was 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.080 not a fan every There were so many times that 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.200 he would make mistakes on the field and he would 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.480 just like completely piss me off, like not me, but 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.960 a lot of people as well, mistakes that cost you 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:02.320 at times. And yes, looking at it now, though, what 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:07.040 he's been doing working with the first team, going against 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:08.320 some of the veteran. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:13.920 Guys and not winning though winning those, But there. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.080 There have been a little, very few, very few where 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.840 it's been competitive enough where he's right there competing. This 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:27.080 is back in Oxnard, very small moments that I'm the 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.560 fact that he's going up against them, That's what made 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.760 me keep an eye on him and be like, Okay, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:32.840 what's going on here? 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:33.560 Uh? 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:35.960 And it impressed me the fact that they're giving him 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:40.480 so many opportunities and here on lately, and I feel again, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.000 this is a practice. I just it's hard to tell 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.840 whether you're pulling a flag or you know, like. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.239 Making those mistakes. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.840 But just all in all, I think he's gotten better, 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.200 But I don't know I'm budding yet. Now you have 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.440 to look at those other guys are on the roster 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.960 as of now and see who you would rather keep. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.640 But I don't know. You guys, tell me what y'all feel. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.800 It's just the fact that I see him so much 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.920 out there, the fact that the coaches are putting him 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.440 out there so much as opposed to other guys. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:22.760 I feel like, to be blunt, I'm not the component 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.120 of him seeing a lot of time versus the ones 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.040 over the first half of training camp doesn't impress me 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.080 because I know that that's out of necessity. That's because 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.680 Jordan Lewis was on the pup list, and that's because 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.760 the Cowboys are trying to give Kelvin Joseph every possible 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.240 opportunity to show his value as a former second round pick. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.760 They do not want to move on from him because 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.000 that would be an admission that it was a failed pick. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:47.560 They want to see some value here. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.680 So because it's out of necessity and it's basically them 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.560 pointing at him saying, show me something. The number of 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.160 reps against the ones isn't going to impress me. It's 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.720 the quality of those reps in the beginning of camp. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.320 The first half of camp. Alluding to Derek's point, he 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.560 struggled against the ones, struggled against some of those twos 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.399 as well. A little more handsy than I would like 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.320 to see. A lot of those plays that he made 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.760 in practice, they would. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:11.200 Have been flags. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.679 That's just being objective about it now. In keeping with 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.440 the objectivity, timing is everything. He started to come on 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.800 strong right when he needs to come on strong because 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.840 it's almost time for roster cuts. He had a pass 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.600 breakup against the Jaguars. He had two pass defenses against 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.959 the Seattle Seahawks, so he's starting. It looks like he's 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.520 starting to find his stride. The question that I now 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.240 pose to myself, to the panel, to the Cowboys front 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:40.000 office and coaching staff, is is he showing enough right 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.679 now wherein you make a decision that moves you on 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.760 from Eric Scott. I don't think that's the case. Because 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.399 you traded up to get Eric Scott. You don't want 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.840 to move on from Eric Scott. Jordan Lewis is coming back, 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.160 if he's healthy, then you want your Jodan Lewis, because, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.720 as I said, eighty percent, Jordan Lewis is already better 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:00.000 than everybody not named Diggs, Gilmore, Bland, Okay, Nishan Wright. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.399 Where's he on the injury for? 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.600 It does matter though, despite the trade that he had 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.760 a higher draft value are you. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.880 Talking about at this point? 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.200 That doesn't matter the time. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:18.080 Expire, It doesn't matter if you can't keep riding the drafts. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.080 What three three? 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.080 For some reason I had. 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:29.960 To this is the third season, This is yeah expired. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:35.479 It doesn't matter anymore honestly that in my opinion now, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.520 and of course I'm not using the draft picks, so 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:39.800 they may have a very like Will McClay may have 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.360 a very different look at that of how much latitude 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.520 you give a guy based on the draft pick, I'm 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.320 telling you, for me, that gives you one year, Like 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.600 I don't want to cut my draft pick the year 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.359 I draft them. I want to give them the benefit 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.480 of the doubt that one off season will allow them 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.879 to get to wherever I'm trying to wherever I projected 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.520 them to be. Once you get past that, you have 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.679 to you have to prove it or I'm dropping somebody 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.119 else to come in to take your spot. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:03.679 Eric Scott. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.679 Now, and I'm wondering because when this comes to a 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.240 roster equation, how many cornerbacks are you carrying? Because the 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.440 cornerbacks that are at the bottom of your CB depth chart, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.720 they got to do special teams. Okay, so Kelvin jokes 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.639 if that would be his big and a special teams 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.600 and then he at that point as they need nickel coverage, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.920 they can kind of filter him in. But if you're 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.600 keeping him, is Nashaun healthy or are you starting Nashwan 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.480 on the pup list to sit him for four games 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.679 and then you figure things out four weeks out Eric Scott. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.399 I don't think they move on from Eric Scott. 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:33.760 C J. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.040 Goodwin doesn't play defense during the regular season. But you 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.000 lost Noah Brown as you're oh, he's on there, I mean, 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.640 he's right. You can lost Lou Gifford as a special team. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.840 That's why you brought CJ back on a one year 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.439 deal so he could be. So if you're not going 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.560 to move on from c J. Goodwin, you're not going 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.720 to move on from Eric Scott. If Nashaun Wright is healthy, 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.639 Andeordan Lewis is healthy, where do you squeeze Kelvin In? 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.440 So again, Kelvin He's come on strong at the right 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.080 time these couple of games. Question is has he come 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.800 on strong enough to defeat those guys if they're healthy 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:11.000 Nashaun and Jordan in addition to Eric Scott and c J. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.359 Goodwin. Who's your special teams? You're a loan special teams 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:14.080 ain't at this point. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.040 As an aside, I actually think of all the years 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.320 I've been covering the Cowboys. I've been here now for 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.159 twenty something years, and yeah, I know you're right there 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:27.080 with me, but I actually think c J. Goodwin may 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.760 be the best special teams player I've ever seen with 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.400 the Cowboys in the time I've been here. This guy 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.920 is some of the things he does on special teams 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.080 and it's consistent, like every single time he's the first 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.000 one down there, he's the one making the play. Even 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.119 in times when something goes wrong he gets blocked, he 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.280 still has a way to recover to get back into 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.560 the play. I've just I've never I have not seen 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.800 and have There's been some good special teams player. Keith 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.080 Davis comes in mind. He was really good here on 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.440 special teams. Actually when I got here, I want to say, 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.840 I'm not sure anyway there there there have been. There 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:07.679 have been some really good ones. There have been some 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.439 really good ones. I would make the argument, really he 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.479 is the best that I've seen. He is the best 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.040 I've seen in the time I've been here. He is 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.560 a true special team's ace. All right, let's move on 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.119 to another name I'm gonna throw out for you guys. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.800 Isaiah Land. Very interesting player. Uh this last game he 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.359 did have a forced fumble and a sack. 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:27.200 What do you what do you think about him? 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:32.239 I do love me some Isaiah Land. He was just 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.520 a menace against the Jacksonville jag Wars, which rolls over 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:36.560 what he was doing in camp. 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.840 Practice is out in Oxford and you hit an Oxnord 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:40.480 ox nerd? 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:42.199 Did you hit? 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:42.959 Did hit? 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.960 You got me a little bit? Georgia Twain came out. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:57.359 But it's funnily enough. Against the Seahawks, uh not a 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.639 few minutes before he did the forced fumble. He got 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.760 the forced bumble. I was like, Isaiah has been kind 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.000 of quiet, and then two reps later, force fumble. I 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:05.800 guess he heard me from the press box. So, I 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.760 mean he's impacting games over these last two preseason games. 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.120 I anticipate he will impact the game against the Raiders. 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:12.679 I think you got to find a way to get 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.440 him on to the roster. I really do. Who does 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.400 that push out? That's the question mark because the Cowboys 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.800 are absolutely stacked on the defensive front. I mean, Quentin 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.560 Bohanna's coming on strong, Devill Gallamore is coming on strong, 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.520 Chauncey Ghosten his December last year. 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:29.879 Total guys, you're keeping. 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:31.400 That's been discussion. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.600 That depends on how many you're running on the offensive line. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.359 I think those two things are on a scale. So 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.840 if you go plus one O L then your minus. 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.240 Well, we know who needs it more exactly. 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.120 The point, so you might run ten I'd say ten 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:44.119 defensive linemen. 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:45.840 I can't figure out just yet. 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.960 I really, I really do need this game against the 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.760 Raiders to figure out who I would take away to 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.240 add Isaiah Lan. I don't know yet, but I do 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:54.760 know that you need to put him on this roster. 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.280 I do think you could get him to your practice 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.359 squad though. I think I think every year there are 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.960 guys like this that you're like, he'll never make it 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.160 to the practice squad. Yeah, he'll never make a practice squad, 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:04.720 and he'll make it to the practice squad. 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:05.240 It's okay. 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:07.360 I do think he's a guy that. 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:11.119 Becomes a very good practice squad player for me that 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.200 I think I can develop if I'm making that decision, 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:14.800 I think I can develop a future years. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:16.000 And what are your thoughts. 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.120 I'm right there with what he just said. And it's 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:25.520 a tough one because of how competitive this whole group is, 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:31.119 and you look at forget Mikah Parsons everything, the spotlight 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.040 that he usually takes. There have been times where I 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.160 feel like every guy, most of these guys have had 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.280 a flashy moment I saw some of the one on 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.760 one drills out of training camp, which is my favorite 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:48.600 drill of all of them, and there is strength in 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:53.080 a lot of these guys. There's quickness, how fast they 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.919 just get off and go. So it's a tough battle 0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:00.280 because I feel so many of them are just right there. 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.360 So it makes me I would love to know the opinion. 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.879 What the coaches are thinking and what are the kinds 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.240 of traits that they value the most, because I think 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.600 that it's just gonna come down to that. But that's 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:16.000 that's a very hard question. 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:17.800 Derek, Yeah, what are you thinking? 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:19.720 Well, I mean, like I said, I think he's a 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:21.919 guy you can get to your practice squad, and my 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.120 expectations that's where he will end up. I just don't 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.679 I think this roster is too deep that It's one 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:28.640 of the things I love about this defense right now 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:32.439 is they are so deep at so many positions. The 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.880 one that that that they're actually not as deep at 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.760 because of the injury as a linebacker. I was thinking, 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.639 you know, you at overshown into what they already have. 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.879 The linebackers are even deep. There would have been no 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.120 position on the defense where if I would have sustained 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.440 one injury, I would have been like, oh my god, 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:53.480 that thinks except for obviously eleven. He's eleven. You're not 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.320 going to replace him with anybody because he's just so special. 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.960 But anybody else, I felt like, hey, you could sustain 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.240 ain't that because you have enough depth that the next 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.840 guy you don't drop off too much from the guy 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.040 that preceded him. So I just look at this defense 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.160 and I'm just so impressed with that. And that's why 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.760 a guy like in Isaiah land that it's flashed and 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.679 shown you something in camp, just it's hard for him 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:16.639 to make a roster like this. 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:17.440 It's just too deep. 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:18.280 That's fair. 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:24.040 Do you have any PTSD from the Ridgeway And obviously 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.000 Ridgeway wasn't lost in the initial cutdowns in waivers, but 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.639 when they played the waivers game as the beginning of 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.919 the season rolled along, then the commander swooped in and 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:33.760 got Ridgeway. Do you think there'd be any kind of 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.760 flashback there as far as risking Isaiah laying and saying, hey, 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.840 well if we put them on waivers, we might lose 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:40.920 him to a division rivle. 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.399 Here's my question for you. I'll answer that question. With 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:46.119 a question, do you feel like right now, f Ridgeway, 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.120 we're here, that he would be among the top two 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:51.000 or three? Would he be right on the bubble again. 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:52.560 He'll be in the bubble again here we go. 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.399 So you didn't really lose anything, like you're so deep 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:59.000 at the position. Yeah, you basically replaced him with other 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.919 guys that were comfortable, So it's not like you lost anything. 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.040 It's not like you lost the guy that has turned 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.800 out to be an easy you know, he is your 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:10.800 plug in starting defensive tackle. He's not better than Osu right, agreed, 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.920 He's not better than than Hankins. He's not going to 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.080 be better than Mazi. So all those things considered, like, 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.040 he still is going to be a guy that would 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.159 be down there that you'd we'd be talking about him 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:22.960 today as a potential bubble guy. 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.320 I look at a player like Junior for Hoko, and 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.359 they're not going to move on from their rookie fourth 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.280 round pick. But I would have loved to see more 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:34.359 from Junior for Hoko and camp. And I know that 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.400 he was battling the shoulder injury that slowed a lot 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.520 of his progress this camp, but I just would have 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:42.879 liked to see what he can do more so to 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.439 this point, which makes the conversation easier for me as 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.600 far as the Isaiah land because and I'm not saying 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.720 it's Lamb versus for Hoko, but in the grand scheme, 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:52.480 if you're looking at the macro of trying to figure 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:53.880 out the roster, I would have just loved to see 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.639 more from for Hoko. But I mean, he'll be on 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:56.040 this roster. 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.240 But that's the thing, Like, that's the hard part of this. 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.680 You say, for Hoko is going to be on this roster. 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.439 Defensive end might be the deepest position on the actual team. 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.240 Like Nick was talking about this yesterday on another show. 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:08.800 I heard him talking about it. He was like, when 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.640 you start thinking about this defensive end position, you get 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.160 second team, you even get to the third group of guys, 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.720 and for some teams that would be their first group 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:23.000 of guys as pass rushers. I don't know where Fooko 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.440 fits on this team. When you start just thinking about 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.159 the raw numbers there are probably right now, there are 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.280 probably six defensive ends that you would say are better 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:31.879 than for Hoko. 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:33.480 Are you going to carry a seventh? 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.520 Contrarily, are you willing to cut or wave your rookie fourth. 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.800 I hear what you're saying. It all makes sense. 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.480 In a normal in a normal situation, you'd be like, 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.200 absolutely not, I'm not letting go of my fourth round pick. 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.359 But okay, So if you're not gonna let go of 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.800 your fourth round pick, which of those guys that we 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.040 just that that that we could throw out there at 0:27:58.040 --> 0:27:58.760 defensive end? 0:27:59.000 --> 0:27:59.280 Are you? 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.400 Are you willing to let go to keep. 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.040 Your fourth round pick? That's the discussion, right. 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.920 All those guys can play right and their experienced players. 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:09.359 So who are gonna let go? 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:10.240 Mm? 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:12.960 Drrence? You gonna let Drans go? 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.560 Hell? No, okay, I didn't want to let Dorance go 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:17.080 last year. 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.640 You're gonna let Fouler go? No, you bought You're gonna 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:22.320 let Sam go. 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:28.040 That's my point. But that's my point. 0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:30.960 That is the difficulty of this cut right now is 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.280 is you're gonna have some good players and some players 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.480 that you really want for your future that you're gonna 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.800 actually they're gonna actually have to be having discussions about 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:41.000 letting some of these guys go. 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.600 It also depends on how you how you file Michael Parsons. Now, 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:46.960 in reality, we know he's an Edgers. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:48.800 Yeah, I see what you're saying. In reality, you think 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:50.479 of him as if you could think of him. 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.200 But if you mind him as a linebacker, now you're 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.480 plus one on linebacker, which gives you the vacancy on 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.800 the defensive end. So that's how I think, that's how 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.840 you ultimately get justified junior for Hoko and not having 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:01.400 to cut your. 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:02.640 They can play mind games with themselves. 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:03.600 He's more. 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.120 We'll linebacker. 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.520 We'll call him a linebacker just for the purposes of 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:09.680 making our roster making. 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:11.480 There you go, it's magic. 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.520 All right, let's move on. I'll throw out another name 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.760 for you guys. This one's another interesting one, another polarizing one, 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:21.840 probably as much as as Kelvin Joseph Josh Baul mhmm. 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.640 Hold on, I'm looking at all the guys. Uh we 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:28.400 got on here. 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.920 Okay again, back to the question, how many are we keeping? 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:35.680 We don't. 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.520 We don't have those numbers. We don't have those By 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:39.640 the way, that's the show. 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:41.440 That's the show. 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:42.680 That's the show that we will do. 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.880 Uh maybe Friday or next Tuesday is we will actually 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.960 cut this roster down. But right now we're just having 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.400 the discussion of where he fits, like how has he performed. 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.360 What's your evaluation of him, because my opinion is he's 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.080 been very similar to Kelvin Joseph, a guy that coming 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.120 off last year you didn't really think necessarily had it. 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:02.760 They moved him to. 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:07.320 Guard moments, but he's been I will say this the 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:11.160 preseason game, this last preseason game, I thought he played 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.640 as well as I've ever seen him play. I think 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.400 there towards the end of training camp I saw him 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.520 play maybe as well as I've ever seen him play. 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.600 So going back to your point, Patrick, timing is everything. 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.640 He's starting to kind of make some headway, and. 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:26.840 This is a new position for him. 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.120 None of us, I think I can say this with 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:35.400 some pretty good confidence. I don't think any of us 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.800 expected that Josh Ball would actually be a player at 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.160 guard when we heard they were moving to guard, when 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.080 we are like, he's too tall, that's not gonna work. 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.400 But I will say here, over the last couple of weeks, 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.640 we have started to see some signs that maybe he's 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:49.520 getting better at it. 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:55.080 Yes, to me, again, I feel like he's had certain 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.640 moments where he's flashed and you can see a slight 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:05.280 curve of him getting better. But I'm gonna cheat on this. 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:10.560 I'm gonna go based on this roster depth chart that 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:21.440 Cowboys pr I mean, he's listed right behind Zach Martin. Hey, 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.360 I'm saying we don't go really based on all this, 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:28.840 But hey, according to Peter, I'm cheating because I don't 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.640 have an answer for you right now. I feel that honestly, 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.160 the fact that you're gonna have to keep so many guys, 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.400 I think he makes it and he's gonna be here. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:40.600 Just because you don't have a lot of the options. 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.680 Is that what you're saying, Yes, I think you need 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.000 the bodies. I think he will make the roster because 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.440 of that, unless there was some kind of move that 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:53.160 happens and the Cowboys go out and acquire somebody else 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:57.640 to help on the O line. Otherwise I don't see 0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.720 him not being on the team. 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.560 I do agree that the Cowboys need the bodies, and 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.440 that's why they get a sixteen man practice squad. And 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.360 I am not of the opinion that if you wave 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.000 Josh ball he's going to get scooped up by another team. 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:15.040 He's still very much development developing in his new role. 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:16.240 Timing is everything. 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.560 Yes, he's starting to come on strong, but his coming 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.400 on strong for me is just enough to show the 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.480 Cowboys they need to continue to develop him there. 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:25.400 But I think it's from. 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.360 A practice squad capacity because if you look at if 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.920 you carry ten, even if you carry eleven, all right, 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:32.600 you know who you're starting five is. But when you 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.760 go to the second level, Austin Richards, he's that rookie. 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:38.800 He's starting to come on now. Brock Hoffman, he had 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.320 a rough game in Pass Pro, but for the most part, 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.760 very strong camp Matt FARNIACI has potential to swing, and 0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.920 he has potential as a backup center behind Linstrom. 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:48.800 Don't forget TJ. 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:49.240 Bass. 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.760 I'm getting there. Sorry, That's exactly my point. As I 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:52.440 go down the list. 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:53.000 TJ. 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.040 Bass not necessarily the best practice guy, but boy, he 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.640 is an absolute gamer. So the question that you would 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.400 then't have to ask yourself whether you're carrying ten or 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.479 eleven offensive linemen, do you want Josh Ball or do 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.480 you want TJ Bass on the fifty three mans roster. 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.800 I think that's where it comes down. It's versus farniac 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.800 versus Ball, and in that equation it's Bass and farnioc 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.960 I give the nod too, and I get Josh Ball 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.080 back on the practice squad to protect against injury to 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.120 either of those players. I think that's how the Josh 0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:23.400 Ball equation should be played out. 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.760 Fact of the matter is, I'm not certain. I know 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:27.880 we've given a lot of we've given them a hard 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.520 time quite a bit. I'm talking about Ball, but I'm 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.120 not certain that. I'm not certain that Ball is a 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.000 guy you could put out there that somebody wouldn't pick up, because. 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:38.880 I know how tough. 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.560 Right now, the Cowboys are not the only team in 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.880 the NFL that are looking for offensive linemen. Offensive linemen 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.840 are hard to come by this time of the year, 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.000 and I think there's probably some teams that have There 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.160 are certainly some teams that have lesser fortunes on the 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.880 offensive line than the Dallas Cowboys, and from that standpoint, 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.840 I think they're probably intrigued to some degree by the 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.280 same things that the Cowboys are intrigued by his traits, 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.800 because his traits tell you, man, this guy ought to 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.320 be able to play in the NFL. There's some team 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.239 out there that I think would probably be a little 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.600 bit intrigued and has the room to say, yeah, we 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.919 could definitely make him fit here because he's he's still 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:15.120 gonna be better than what we got. 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.040 Okay, So I'll say this one, love you, but don't 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.960 agree in the event that we're you're. 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:21.440 Not supposed to. 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:22.960 In the event that were. 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.400 To happen, I'm going to flip. This is putting your 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:26.960 energy right back on to you in the event that 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.280 were to happen. Is he irreplaceable? 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:29.800 No? 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.279 It having the Ridgeway conversation right. 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.840 So thirty one other teams is going to let go 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.719 of back up left guards who probably that's their base 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.920 position and maybe could step in and be a more 0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.800 of an immediate impact as a backup guy than Josh 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.840 Ball in his development state. So I say all of 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.359 that to say, I believe the Cowboys like what they're 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.480 seeing as of late. I believe Josh Baul is a 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.160 strong practice squad candidate. I feel like he's risk worth risking. 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.800 He's worth risking to Waivers as a way to avoid 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.760 risking a guy like TJ ask the waivers, Matt Foarniac 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:03.799 the waivers and try to get him back on the 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.680 practice squad. And if you happen to lose Josh Ball 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:10.080 to Waivers, somebody's going to fall onto the waiver wire 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.839 that or into free agency outright that you can bring 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:14.640 in and still add to the practice squad. 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.200 Well, here's how I would look at that. Though that 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.799 sounds good for us, I don't know if I don't 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:21.560 know if the guys. I don't know if the guys 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.759 upstairs necessarily see it that way. And what I mean 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.640 by that is they invested a fourth round pick in 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:29.040 this guy, and the way they look at him, they 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.520 may say, hey, we really really believe that his traits 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.680 suggests he's going to be a really good player, not 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.600 just a guy we can just throw in as a number. 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:39.440 We think he can be a really good player. He 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:40.320 needs development. 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.080 So those kind of guys you look at and you're like, yeah, 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:44.680 I don't know if I necessarily want to lose him. 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:45.080 You're right. 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.680 For right now, I could bring in somebody that's probably comparable. 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.600 But a year from now, am I looking at a 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.759 Josh Ball who they may say his traits suggests A 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.799 year from now he's a guy that's one of the 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:56.160 better guards in the NFL. 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.319 Right, So that's where I. 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.920 Don't know what their assessment is of him to where 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:02.480 they're willing to let him go or not. 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:06.279 So we're talking because you mentioned draft pick status. Yeah, 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.279 aren't we passed the expiration date on Met Milk? 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:08.879 Yeah we are. 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.680 That's fine, that's fine, But that's also where once again, 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.279 that's also where it goes back to and I said 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.640 this when we're talking about Calvin Joseph as well, that's 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:17.600 that's our assessment. 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:18.680 That's not their assessment. 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.960 Necessarily, their assessment has to include we're based on what 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.120 we're seeing and based on what we thought of him 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.680 coming out of out of college. Where is he in 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.040 that trajectory and do we still see that runway where 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.279 he can grow If we think he's still ascending, are 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.719 we giving up too soon on him? Like Ridgeway, I 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:39.080 don't know, Ridgeway. I'm looking at and saying he's still ascending. 0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.600 I think he is a good player and he's going 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.759 to be a good solid though. Yeah it did, it 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:46.640 did not like but that that is a I don't 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.040 I don't know that. I look at him, and they 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:49.839 may look at Josh Ball and say we think he's 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:52.000 going to be an ascending player. We're not willing to 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.799 let him go for what's comparable right now because what 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.680 he will be a year from now will be much 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.160 more than that. Again, I'm not saying that's my assessment. 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.320 I'm saying that could be could be their assessment. 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:07.080 Do you go deeper a gar or tackle? 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.839 Well, you know what complicates that conversation is. 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:18.239 Tyler Smith because Tyler Smith can swing out to tackle. 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:21.400 Answer both conflicts. Yeah, answer is keep the guys who 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.600 can flecks the versatility. That's where versatility really comes into play. 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.200 That's the answer to the question. The answer is yes, 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:31.080 you go deep, at deep, retguard and at tackles. 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.680 Let's say, backup guys that do have those kinds of 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:35.799 that kind of versatility. 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.600 Well, hell, real quick, we're going to take our final 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:39.319 break close to the end of the show. 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Free open practices 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:18.120 will take place at the for Center starting with Cowboys 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.040 Night on August well, we started yesterday and he goes 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.800 all the way through the twenty fourth For more info, 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.879 visit Dallas Cowboys dot com slash training Camp. 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.680 Welcome back to the final segment of the break by 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.200 from SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we literally have 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.800 about three minutes, so we don't have much time here. 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.799 I did promise, I did promise at the beginning of 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:42.440 the show that we would have a conversation about Jonathan Taylor, 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:44.920 and I know we were in that other conversation, but 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.480 I think we got at least addressed that before the 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.400 show is done. Jonathan Taylor, for those that don't know, 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:54.040 he's running back for the Indianapolis Colts. He is a 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:58.440 player that has been a little disgruntled, and the report 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.160 is that he now has gotten permission from the Colts 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.480 to seek a trade. And so, obviously, as is the 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:06.600 case with any player in the NFL, as soon as 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.399 he's able to seek a trade, the Dallas Cowboys become 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.480 a part of the conversation because fans love to put 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.880 them in the conversation and media loves to talk about it, 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.640 and so we're going to talk about it and just 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:18.400 give you our thoughts. Now, the question was asked to 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.239 Jerry Jones yesterday. Here was his response. He said, We'll 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.839 look at every opportunity, but the way our young backs 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.960 are playing, I am very comfortable where we are with 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.800 our backs right now. I feel good about our running 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:33.759 back position if we didn't add anyone. Now, before we 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.960 get into the conversation, what I want to say real 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.719 quickly is everything that said after that that starts now. 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:41.719 These are our opinions. These are not the opinions of 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.400 the Dallas Cowboys. They are not the opinions of Jerry Jones. 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.640 They are our opinions of what we think the Cowboys 0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.719 should do as media people. All Right, now that we've 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.160 gotten that out there, what are your thoughts on Jonathan 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.960 Taylor and specifically the possibilities of the Cowboys may be 0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:59.000 making a move. 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:00.400 I'll make it asked. 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.800 I will not partake in this conversation because it doesn't 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.680 make any sense to me. You just said it in 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:08.799 the quote that Jerry said, and I have the same 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.279 opinion with the way that these young running backs have 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:16.680 been performing and playing. I just don't see any reason 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:21.000 to add somebody else. You still have Tony Poller, who 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:25.120 you gave the franchise tag to and I just don't 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:26.120 see where he would fit. 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:26.600 Now. 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.880 You can post a conversation of him being a talented 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.840 player and the type of firepower that he can bring. 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:39.360 But at the same time, I don't think you're necessarily 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.440 missing there are other positions that I would rather make 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.840 a trade for than the running back. 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.400 I'm out on that. I'm out on Jonathan Taylor, and 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.360 not because of the skill set. Jonathan Taylor is in 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:55.120 an absolute minuce. But and yes, and arguably he's better 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.160 than as much as I love Tony Poller than Rico, 0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:00.200 o'dowdell and Duceval coming in. And yes, Jonathan Taylor is 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.920 more proven and better. That being said, is he so 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.560 much better? It is so much far ahead of this 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:11.560 current group that you would give up premium picks plural 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.000 for the right to bring him in and give him 0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:19.000 a chunk of Micah's and CD Lambs's money. Keeping in 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.279 mind that de Marcus Lawrence is also coming due during 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.560 Armstrong is coming due. Yes, Terrence Steell, Terrence Steele, you 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.160 still have to get the deal do on Terror Steel, 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.560 Scott Dak Prescott is coming. A lot of contracts coms, 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.479 so a lot of contracts coming up, and for those 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:33.720 that are fantasizing and you know, getting romantic about Jonathan Taylor, 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:38.120 keep the numbers game in your conversation as well, because 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.040 it's not fantasy football where you just drop the guy 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.120 in and you start racking up points. You have to 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.400 pay this guy. The reason he's disgruntled with the Coats 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.799 is because the way the RB market is shaped shaping out, 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.000 and then that led to his you know, the team 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.080 owner and Indy making comments. 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:52.880 He wants to get paid. 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.960 The Cowboys are not in a position where they should 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.719 do that given everything they need to get done contractually. 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:03.040 So from a player standpoint, he's a great guy and 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:05.040 I hope he winds up in a great spot that 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.080 is not in the NFC East. But as hard as 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.480 the Cowboys are concerned, it's a hard noe for me. 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:12.520 And you know that's the hard part for Jonathan Taylor, 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.880 I think is that I think he wants more money, 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:17.960 and I think, as is the case for a lot 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:19.920 of the great running backs in the NFL that are 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.480 really great right now, they're looking at the market and 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.799 how the market is shake me out, and they're realizing 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:28.040 that there isn't the big money out there for running backs, 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.839 and that's where I think the draw that the hang 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:33.959 up is going to be and impossibly getting traded. Yeah, 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:35.960 teams may be willing to give the picks to get 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.800 the talent of Jonathan Taylor, I'm not sure they'd be 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:40.520 willing to give him that new deal. And if he's 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.880 not willing to get that, and if they're not willing 0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.040 to give him that new deal, is he really getting 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.400 any a better situation going somewhere else than where he 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:48.040 is right now. 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:48.360 With the Colts. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.200 And that's not to pay for that is just but 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.279 you know, that's the hard part. And I just I 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.839 believe that this is a market situation. The market is 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.080 just saying I don't have to pay that higher price 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.560 for running back, and it sucks for running backs. 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:02.760 But that's the market. 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.000 And I don't know how you change that unless you 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.680 start getting less running backs to where it drives the 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.680 price back up. I talked about this earlier in camp. 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:14.239 This is basic economics, guys. You know your demand will 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:18.000 affect your price, right, And so unless they're that number 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.319 of good running backs shrinks down quite a bit to 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.400 where teams are like they're aren't enough of them to 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.880 go around, as is the case with quarterback, as is 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.520 the case with left tackles, as is the case with cornerbacks, 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.600 as is the case with pass rushers. Like all those 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.920 positions where it's not enough to go around or you 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.480 can always have more, those those numbers keep going up. 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.239 There are just a lot of really good running backs, 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.399 and what teams are figuring out is even running backs 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.040 that may not be as great as some of the 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.920 other as some of the better players, you can still 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.279 make things happen. You can still go win a Super Bowl, 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.200 as the Kansas City Chiefs did with a guy that's 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.520 a six round pick. And so it's just you don't 0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:56.160 necessarily have to spend the big money. And because of that, 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:57.480 that's just where the market is. So I don't know 0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.440 that this is going to help Jonathan Taylor move into 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.480 another team. So know, if there's another team that's going 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:02.680 to be willing to give him that new deal. 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.239 Well, I think it's more interesting if Cowboys fans hear 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.640 what Jerry said. It's more interesting first and foremost, Tony 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.799 Rico deuce let him cook. Let's right, But it's more 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:15.279 interesting that Jerry said. You know, don't count us out 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.360 of the waiver wire when it comes to RB talent. 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.839 So the Cowboys might be on the lookout for RB 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:23.960 talent that falls from the other thirty one teams. That's 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.840 the more intriguing thing to see because that tells me 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.320 that they still want to see more from Elite Davis. 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.200 You know, he'll have a chance against the Raiders. Like, 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.719 where do they view Elite Davis in the capacity of 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:35.680 your team owner just stood up there and said, Hey, 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.319 we're not out on probably bringing in the guy from 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:39.600 a waiver wire next week. 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:41.360 That would make me nervous. 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:43.560 It's nervous if I were Ronald Jones. 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.920 Very would him at the top of the show. So, 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.279 Malie Davis, Ronald Jones, what does that put them? But 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.719 that's the actual conversation. Jonathan Taylor, for as great as 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:55.240 he is, it just it doesn't make sense for Dallas. 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.279 All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We're back 0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.800 on Friday. Actually, these guys will be back on Friday. 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:02.600 Yeah, I'm sorry. 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.040 Amber will host on Friday, and actually I think Nick's 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.600 gonna join you guys. Yeah, so so you guys have 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:12.200 a great show. I will be Yeah, I have Daddy 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:13.960 taking my daughter. 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.360 To college, and I'll be out of state because my 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:17.440 daughter turns eleven. 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.680 Daughters, girls enjoy. 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:25.480 No, it's gonna be a lot of crying, but we'll 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:25.960 get through it. 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:27.799 We'll get through it all right. Appreciate you guys, Jones. 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:29.560 We will be back. They'll be back on Friday. 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.920 We'll be back next Tuesday, and we'll get Tuesday and 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.239 Thursday wrapped up. The Cowboys will make their cuts and 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:35.759 then guess what we will be. 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:37.439 Into the season. It will be week one of the season. 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.880 We'll be back to our daily schedule every day Monday 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.560 through Friday. Uh, starting that in two weeks from now, 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.200 so check that out until then for Amber Garcia, Patrick Walker, 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:46.680 and Derek Eagles. And this has been The Break live 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.080 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.759 This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.760 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.