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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, August twenty third, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 7: Episode number twenty. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 7: We are a live nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the
Speaker 7: Star and today we've got I've got a lot of
Speaker 7: different topics We're gonna hit. We're gonna talk about some
Speaker 7: bubble guys. I got a whole list of guys that
Speaker 7: I wanted to go through, get some opinions from these
Speaker 7: folks about how they are performing and where they fit
Speaker 7: right now. We also talk about a player that's out
Speaker 7: there that we just have learned over the last couple
Speaker 7: of days is a player that might be available for
Speaker 7: trade and whether the Cowboys might or might not or
Speaker 7: should or should not have interest in one Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 7: We'll talk about that here in a moment. Welcome my
Speaker 7: co host to the stage, Amber Garcia, Patrick Walker, Brian's
Speaker 7: out today, but we'll hold it down, right, we'll hold
Speaker 7: it down today.
Speaker 2: So let's first start. I want to get some updates
Speaker 2: from you, Patrick.
Speaker 7: Last night, the Cowboys had a practice here in Frisco
Speaker 7: at the Star Training Camp continues. It was about a
Speaker 7: two hour practice and we kind of saw some different
Speaker 7: things from the standpoint of injuries of people that kind
Speaker 7: of we're back, some were not. Let's talk about some
Speaker 7: of those. Ronald Jones, where is he from an injury standpoint.
Speaker 8: Ronald Jones was a limited participant in yesterday's practice. He
Speaker 8: was in full pads and helmet. He did individual drills,
Speaker 8: but did not participate in team drills. Once the team
Speaker 8: drills fired up, Rojoe went back to the rehab group.
Speaker 8: So that comment from Mike McCarthy saying that Jones would
Speaker 8: be quote unquote challenged to take the field against the Raiders,
Speaker 8: that it's holding true thus far. We'll see what happens
Speaker 8: today in paddi practice, but it's not looking good for
Speaker 8: Ronald Jones. If he does miss obviously, that means he
Speaker 8: will have missed the entirety of the preseason with their
Speaker 8: groin injury. As the Cowboys get into their roster cuts
Speaker 8: and we see that Rico Daludo and Duce Vaughan have
Speaker 8: pretty much cemented their spots. Not a lot of space
Speaker 8: there before will go room jer.
Speaker 9: You remember those two games that he's gonna miss in the.
Speaker 3: Regular two games?
Speaker 7: Suspension these largest that Yeah, I did, that's huge.
Speaker 8: Two games suspension looms large as well, Matt. Well, let's
Speaker 8: go a little bit more promising news. Matt Let's Go
Speaker 8: was on the field yesterday full uniform, participated in individual
Speaker 8: drills and select team drills with that shoulder injury that
Speaker 8: he suffered against the Seattle Seahawks. So well, Let's Go
Speaker 8: does have appears to have a much better chance of
Speaker 8: taking the field against the Raiders. Great news for a
Speaker 8: Cowboys team that is battling offensive line depth issue and
Speaker 8: needs Well Let's Go to step in and hopefully be
Speaker 8: a front runner for that swing tackle position. Spoke with
Speaker 8: Schoolmaker yesterday as he continues his recovery from plantar fasciaitis.
Speaker 8: Great news from the rookie second round pick. Told me
Speaker 8: directly that his foot feels quote unquote like it was
Speaker 8: before end quote the injury, and he's just working on
Speaker 8: getting it stronger now, so sounds as if he's mostly
Speaker 8: passed the injury, if not in its entirety, and he's
Speaker 8: just trying to build up strength and of course get
Speaker 8: his lungs back to be NFL ready for Week one.
Speaker 8: So all things considered, Cowboys are starting to get healthier.
Speaker 8: Donovan Wilson still on track for Week one. Israe Mukuamu
Speaker 8: returned weeks ago. Obviously, there's the devastating news of losing
Speaker 8: demarveyon overshown in John Stevens, but they've got a plan
Speaker 8: for that. Particularly with overshown. Marquise Bell is going to
Speaker 8: take the lead in that role. We spoke with him
Speaker 8: yesterday and we'll get into that a little bit today.
Speaker 7: Talking about Nashan Wright and Elik Jefferson, anything we're hearing on.
Speaker 8: Malik Jefferson still dealing with the foot injury. Didn't see
Speaker 8: him do much yesterday. I think he'd be hard pressed
Speaker 8: to get on the field, and that's a shame for
Speaker 8: Jefferson because he was really flying around against the Jacksonville
Speaker 8: Jaguars before he left that game with the foot injury,
Speaker 8: and I spoke with him. He still has a little
Speaker 8: bit of a limp. I'd be surprised if he took
Speaker 8: the field, but something to keep an eye on as
Speaker 8: they have padda practice here today. Nashawan Wright, he's out
Speaker 8: of the boot. Did a little bit of work yesterday,
Speaker 8: nothing of notes. So again, much like Jefferson, let's see
Speaker 8: what he does in paddi practice today. But without Nashwan Wright,
Speaker 8: the onus is going to be on rookie fifth round pick,
Speaker 8: sixth round pick Eric Scott, and of course Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 8: former second round pick, to kind of step up as
Speaker 8: the Cowboys hopefully prepare for the return of Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 8: which is another positive that's looming on the horizon because
Speaker 8: me having the conversation with Jordan Lewis as recently as
Speaker 8: last week, he said he can do everything. He's doing
Speaker 8: everything full speed, sprinting cuts, He's just trying to get
Speaker 8: his stamina back. Now, does that mean that he beats
Speaker 8: the the September first cut down? And if he does,
Speaker 8: then he's on the active fifty three man roster. If not,
Speaker 8: then he starts the season on pupp and he's down
Speaker 8: for four games before the Cowboys have to figure that out.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's where they are right now.
Speaker 7: Talk to me about best case scenario. Let's assume for
Speaker 7: a second that Jordan is ready to play week one
Speaker 7: of the season. Do you think he steps in and
Speaker 7: immediately becomes your slot guy or do you keep Deryan
Speaker 7: Bland there? Because it's clear Deryn Blan is the future.
Speaker 7: He is the future for the Cowboys when it comes
Speaker 7: to that slot position.
Speaker 10: I would not mess with Darron Bland at all. Whatsoever
Speaker 10: he's been. He did an amazing job last year, his
Speaker 10: first year, and then this year he just taking a
Speaker 10: step forward. Everything I see him doing it's good and
Speaker 10: I'm like, wow, I'm impressed by what the just the
Speaker 10: work he's been putting out there, the athleticism, the way
Speaker 10: that he's competing. There might be sometimes where he's missed
Speaker 10: a couple of plays things like that that just happened
Speaker 10: by nature of the sport in the game, but all
Speaker 10: in general, there's nothing that he has done that would
Speaker 10: make me want to even consider taking him out on
Speaker 10: the field. He's one of the guys that I would
Speaker 10: want out there as much as possible.
Speaker 8: I agree, and I've put this out there on Twitter
Speaker 8: as well when the question was posed, do you play
Speaker 8: do the Cowboys play the roster numbers game when it
Speaker 8: comes to Jordan Lewis and sit him down for four
Speaker 8: games and then have to figure it out later but
Speaker 8: buys you time? Well, number one, this was pre injury
Speaker 8: to overshown and John Stevens. I still wouldn't have done
Speaker 8: that because while I don't believe Jordan Lewis is going
Speaker 8: to hit the ground running as prime Jordan Lewis, I
Speaker 8: still think that Jordan Lewis at eighty percent is better
Speaker 8: than Eric Scott trying to figure it out as a rookie,
Speaker 8: and he's better than Kelvin Joseph trying to figure out
Speaker 8: how to play nickel. So Deron Bland in that instance,
Speaker 8: you bring Jordan Lewis back, let Deron Bland remain your
Speaker 8: starting nickel and then rotate Lewis in so that he
Speaker 8: can be in mid season four when mid season comes around.
Speaker 3: And that's how I would play it that way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with you, and I look at Jordan Lewis, man,
Speaker 7: I know, I like Deron Bland's game a lot. I
Speaker 7: think he is one of the more talented young players
Speaker 7: on this team. And ever since he's gotten here, he's
Speaker 7: been flashing since he got here, So I don't want
Speaker 7: to slow that down. But at the same time, I
Speaker 7: look at Jordan Lewis and I'm like to run. Jordan
Speaker 7: Lewis is a really good player. I think he's one
Speaker 7: of the more underrated players over the last several years
Speaker 7: for the Yeah, he's always been and I think it's
Speaker 7: probably because of his size a little bit people underestimate him.
Speaker 7: But he's got to make mix plays. He's not afraid
Speaker 7: to get in there and make the tough tackle like.
Speaker 7: He does everything you would want a slot cornerback to do,
Speaker 7: and he does it well, and so I'm not really
Speaker 7: ready to write him off.
Speaker 2: Just shit.
Speaker 7: I look at that and I'm like, it's nice to
Speaker 7: have a deron Bland and to know he's going to
Speaker 7: be your future. But I want to get everything I
Speaker 7: could possibly get out of Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 10: Look what happened last year. You had struggles there at
Speaker 10: corner and guys getting injured going out or players not
Speaker 10: being to play to the level that you needed them,
Speaker 10: and you just didn't have anybody else to put it
Speaker 10: in there. So I think that at the end of
Speaker 10: the day, it's all gonna saw itself out, and Jordan
Speaker 10: Lewis will see time on the field. I think he
Speaker 10: will make the roster. It sucks that he's missed all
Speaker 10: this time because it just does it takes away from
Speaker 10: what you're trying to build and on top of what
Speaker 10: you already have on the defense. But I just think
Speaker 10: that at some point, you know you're gonna be like, Okay,
Speaker 10: we need a corner Well, there's your.
Speaker 3: Guy, perfectly said.
Speaker 8: And to that point, I want every Cowboys fan who
Speaker 8: has this thought in their head of potentially using Jordan
Speaker 8: Lewis's trade bait get it out of here, because there's
Speaker 8: this perennial act or attitude of, oh, well, we are
Speaker 8: already said at this position one, two, three, let's go
Speaker 8: ahead and start trading guy's way. But then what happens
Speaker 8: is you see twenty twenty two and you lose Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 8: and then you lose Anthony Brown, and then you lose
Speaker 8: in Jacksonville, and then you lose in Green Bay because
Speaker 8: your cornerback play dropped off quite a bit. Bottom line is,
Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis could have been a breakout player for the
Speaker 8: Cowboys long before he became one high Chris Rachard, but
Speaker 8: at one point pre digs, Jordan Lewis was the only
Speaker 8: ball hawk in the secondary less people forget so Jordan
Speaker 8: Lewis was doing it and he's not the prototypical corner
Speaker 8: or even nickel corner. So the fact that Jordan Lewis
Speaker 8: will be back to full health, that gives you four
Speaker 8: dominant impact cornerbacks Digs Gilmore, Bland, and then Lewis in rotation,
Speaker 8: and then that buffers you also against potential injury and
Speaker 8: you don't have to worry about you know what you
Speaker 8: had to worry about in the second half of last season.
Speaker 10: Yes, good, Sorry, I was were you gonna ask no,
Speaker 10: NodD Okay, I was just gonna say, since we're on
Speaker 10: topic at the cornerback position, I wanted to ask you
Speaker 10: guys your thoughts on Kelvin Joseph were his ad because
Speaker 10: just a training camp, different practices, I've seen them given
Speaker 10: him a lot of opportunity, Like he's gotten a lot
Speaker 10: of reps with the first team defense, so and he's
Speaker 10: always seems to be out just wondering, like, have y'all's
Speaker 10: opinion changed.
Speaker 9: As far as like gury evaluation of the player.
Speaker 7: Well, here's what I'm gonna do. That was a great
Speaker 7: setup amber, because that was where we were going to
Speaker 7: go in the next, in the next, in the next
Speaker 7: part of this show. We actually that's our top bubble guy,
Speaker 7: because I think he is a very very interesting player,
Speaker 7: and quite frankly, I do think he relates quite nicely
Speaker 7: to the conversation having about Jordan Lewis, because if Jordans
Speaker 7: oldin roster, what does that mean? How does that affect
Speaker 7: somebody like a Kelvin Joseph. We're gonna take our first
Speaker 7: break when we come back. We're gonna talk a little
Speaker 7: bit about that. We're gonna talk about some players and
Speaker 7: evaluate some different players. We're gonna start with Kelvin Joseph'll
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Speaker 7: Welcome Back at is the second segment of the Break
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Speaker 7: You know I was mentioned I was thinking I'd love
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Speaker 2: I'm loving it.
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Speaker 7: also adapt as we go. If there are certain things
Speaker 7: that you kind of like don't like, we can maybe
Speaker 7: adapt some things. So we'll see how that goes. All right,
Speaker 7: here's what we're gonna do. Let's go ahead and get
Speaker 7: into some of these player evaluations. A lot of these
Speaker 7: guys whose names I'm going to bring up are guys
Speaker 7: that I consider to be bubble guys.
Speaker 2: Some of them may not.
Speaker 7: Some of them may be clearly guys that won't make
Speaker 7: the team or clearly will make the team, but I
Speaker 7: think they're worth discussion. So we'll start first with the
Speaker 7: player that we mentioned right before the break, Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 7: He is a very interesting player from the standpoint that
Speaker 7: he was a former second round pick. I would think
Speaker 7: by most people's account, he has not lived up to
Speaker 7: what you would have expected from a second round pick,
Speaker 7: although I think here over the last couple weeks, I
Speaker 7: think we've started to see some lashes from him. I
Speaker 7: know in this last game he had two pass defenses.
Speaker 7: Now again he's playing against guys that probably won't be
Speaker 7: playing on Sundays come the fall. But that all being said,
Speaker 7: it still is you.
Speaker 2: Know, preferable.
Speaker 7: You want guys making plays, and he was making some plays.
Speaker 7: That being said, what is your assessment of Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 7: as it sits today? We'll start with the Amber since
Speaker 7: you asked me question.
Speaker 9: My own question.
Speaker 10: Let's right, Well, we were talking about it during the
Speaker 10: break a little bit, and I just personally, I'm in
Speaker 10: a weird spot where I don't necessarily know how to
Speaker 10: feel because looking back at last year, I personally was
Speaker 10: not a fan every There were so many times that
Speaker 10: he would make mistakes on the field and he would
Speaker 10: just like completely piss me off, like not me, but
Speaker 10: a lot of people as well, mistakes that cost you
Speaker 10: at times. And yes, looking at it now, though, what
Speaker 10: he's been doing working with the first team, going against
Speaker 10: some of the veteran.
Speaker 9: Guys and not winning though winning those, But there.
Speaker 10: There have been a little, very few, very few where
Speaker 10: it's been competitive enough where he's right there competing. This
Speaker 10: is back in Oxnard, very small moments that I'm the
Speaker 10: fact that he's going up against them, That's what made
Speaker 10: me keep an eye on him and be like, Okay,
Speaker 10: what's going on here?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 10: And it impressed me the fact that they're giving him
Speaker 10: so many opportunities and here on lately, and I feel again,
Speaker 10: this is a practice. I just it's hard to tell
Speaker 10: whether you're pulling a flag or you know, like.
Speaker 9: Making those mistakes.
Speaker 10: But just all in all, I think he's gotten better,
Speaker 10: But I don't know I'm budding yet. Now you have
Speaker 10: to look at those other guys are on the roster
Speaker 10: as of now and see who you would rather keep.
Speaker 9: But I don't know. You guys, tell me what y'all feel.
Speaker 10: It's just the fact that I see him so much
Speaker 10: out there, the fact that the coaches are putting him
Speaker 10: out there so much as opposed to other guys.
Speaker 8: I feel like, to be blunt, I'm not the component
Speaker 8: of him seeing a lot of time versus the ones
Speaker 8: over the first half of training camp doesn't impress me
Speaker 8: because I know that that's out of necessity. That's because
Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis was on the pup list, and that's because
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are trying to give Kelvin Joseph every possible
Speaker 8: opportunity to show his value as a former second round pick.
Speaker 8: They do not want to move on from him because
Speaker 8: that would be an admission that it was a failed pick.
Speaker 3: They want to see some value here.
Speaker 8: So because it's out of necessity and it's basically them
Speaker 8: pointing at him saying, show me something. The number of
Speaker 8: reps against the ones isn't going to impress me. It's
Speaker 8: the quality of those reps in the beginning of camp.
Speaker 8: The first half of camp. Alluding to Derek's point, he
Speaker 8: struggled against the ones, struggled against some of those twos
Speaker 8: as well. A little more handsy than I would like
Speaker 8: to see. A lot of those plays that he made
Speaker 8: in practice, they would.
Speaker 3: Have been flags.
Speaker 8: That's just being objective about it now. In keeping with
Speaker 8: the objectivity, timing is everything. He started to come on
Speaker 8: strong right when he needs to come on strong because
Speaker 8: it's almost time for roster cuts. He had a pass
Speaker 8: breakup against the Jaguars. He had two pass defenses against
Speaker 8: the Seattle Seahawks, so he's starting. It looks like he's
Speaker 8: starting to find his stride. The question that I now
Speaker 8: pose to myself, to the panel, to the Cowboys front
Speaker 8: office and coaching staff, is is he showing enough right
Speaker 8: now wherein you make a decision that moves you on
Speaker 8: from Eric Scott. I don't think that's the case. Because
Speaker 8: you traded up to get Eric Scott. You don't want
Speaker 8: to move on from Eric Scott. Jordan Lewis is coming back,
Speaker 8: if he's healthy, then you want your Jodan Lewis, because,
Speaker 8: as I said, eighty percent, Jordan Lewis is already better
Speaker 8: than everybody not named Diggs, Gilmore, Bland, Okay, Nishan Wright.
Speaker 8: Where's he on the injury for?
Speaker 10: It does matter though, despite the trade that he had
Speaker 10: a higher draft value are you.
Speaker 7: Talking about at this point?
Speaker 2: That doesn't matter the time.
Speaker 8: Expire, It doesn't matter if you can't keep riding the drafts.
Speaker 3: What three three?
Speaker 9: For some reason I had.
Speaker 2: To this is the third season, This is yeah expired.
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter anymore honestly that in my opinion now,
Speaker 7: and of course I'm not using the draft picks, so
Speaker 7: they may have a very like Will McClay may have
Speaker 7: a very different look at that of how much latitude
Speaker 7: you give a guy based on the draft pick, I'm
Speaker 7: telling you, for me, that gives you one year, Like
Speaker 7: I don't want to cut my draft pick the year
Speaker 7: I draft them. I want to give them the benefit
Speaker 7: of the doubt that one off season will allow them
Speaker 7: to get to wherever I'm trying to wherever I projected
Speaker 7: them to be. Once you get past that, you have
Speaker 7: to you have to prove it or I'm dropping somebody
Speaker 7: else to come in to take your spot.
Speaker 3: Eric Scott.
Speaker 8: Now, and I'm wondering because when this comes to a
Speaker 8: roster equation, how many cornerbacks are you carrying? Because the
Speaker 8: cornerbacks that are at the bottom of your CB depth chart,
Speaker 8: they got to do special teams. Okay, so Kelvin jokes
Speaker 8: if that would be his big and a special teams
Speaker 8: and then he at that point as they need nickel coverage,
Speaker 8: they can kind of filter him in. But if you're
Speaker 8: keeping him, is Nashaun healthy or are you starting Nashwan
Speaker 8: on the pup list to sit him for four games
Speaker 8: and then you figure things out four weeks out Eric Scott.
Speaker 8: I don't think they move on from Eric Scott.
Speaker 3: C J.
Speaker 8: Goodwin doesn't play defense during the regular season. But you
Speaker 8: lost Noah Brown as you're oh, he's on there, I mean,
Speaker 8: he's right. You can lost Lou Gifford as a special team.
Speaker 8: That's why you brought CJ back on a one year
Speaker 8: deal so he could be. So if you're not going
Speaker 8: to move on from c J. Goodwin, you're not going
Speaker 8: to move on from Eric Scott. If Nashaun Wright is healthy,
Speaker 8: Andeordan Lewis is healthy, where do you squeeze Kelvin In?
Speaker 8: So again, Kelvin He's come on strong at the right
Speaker 8: time these couple of games. Question is has he come
Speaker 8: on strong enough to defeat those guys if they're healthy
Speaker 8: Nashaun and Jordan in addition to Eric Scott and c J.
Speaker 3: Goodwin. Who's your special teams? You're a loan special teams
Speaker 3: ain't at this point.
Speaker 7: As an aside, I actually think of all the years
Speaker 7: I've been covering the Cowboys. I've been here now for
Speaker 7: twenty something years, and yeah, I know you're right there
Speaker 7: with me, but I actually think c J. Goodwin may
Speaker 7: be the best special teams player I've ever seen with
Speaker 7: the Cowboys in the time I've been here. This guy
Speaker 7: is some of the things he does on special teams
Speaker 7: and it's consistent, like every single time he's the first
Speaker 7: one down there, he's the one making the play. Even
Speaker 7: in times when something goes wrong he gets blocked, he
Speaker 7: still has a way to recover to get back into
Speaker 7: the play. I've just I've never I have not seen
Speaker 7: and have There's been some good special teams player. Keith
Speaker 7: Davis comes in mind. He was really good here on
Speaker 7: special teams. Actually when I got here, I want to say,
Speaker 7: I'm not sure anyway there there there have been. There
Speaker 7: have been some really good ones. There have been some
Speaker 7: really good ones. I would make the argument, really he
Speaker 7: is the best that I've seen. He is the best
Speaker 7: I've seen in the time I've been here. He is
Speaker 7: a true special team's ace. All right, let's move on
Speaker 7: to another name I'm gonna throw out for you guys.
Speaker 7: Isaiah Land. Very interesting player. Uh this last game he
Speaker 7: did have a forced fumble and a sack.
Speaker 2: What do you what do you think about him?
Speaker 8: I do love me some Isaiah Land. He was just
Speaker 8: a menace against the Jacksonville jag Wars, which rolls over
Speaker 8: what he was doing in camp.
Speaker 3: Practice is out in Oxford and you hit an Oxnord
Speaker 3: ox nerd?
Speaker 2: Did you hit?
Speaker 3: Did hit?
Speaker 8: You got me a little bit? Georgia Twain came out.
Speaker 8: But it's funnily enough. Against the Seahawks, uh not a
Speaker 8: few minutes before he did the forced fumble. He got
Speaker 8: the forced bumble. I was like, Isaiah has been kind
Speaker 8: of quiet, and then two reps later, force fumble. I
Speaker 8: guess he heard me from the press box. So, I
Speaker 8: mean he's impacting games over these last two preseason games.
Speaker 8: I anticipate he will impact the game against the Raiders.
Speaker 8: I think you got to find a way to get
Speaker 8: him on to the roster. I really do. Who does
Speaker 8: that push out? That's the question mark because the Cowboys
Speaker 8: are absolutely stacked on the defensive front. I mean, Quentin
Speaker 8: Bohanna's coming on strong, Devill Gallamore is coming on strong,
Speaker 8: Chauncey Ghosten his December last year.
Speaker 9: Total guys, you're keeping.
Speaker 2: That's been discussion.
Speaker 8: That depends on how many you're running on the offensive line.
Speaker 8: I think those two things are on a scale. So
Speaker 8: if you go plus one O L then your minus.
Speaker 9: Well, we know who needs it more exactly.
Speaker 8: The point, so you might run ten I'd say ten
Speaker 8: defensive linemen.
Speaker 3: I can't figure out just yet.
Speaker 8: I really, I really do need this game against the
Speaker 8: Raiders to figure out who I would take away to
Speaker 8: add Isaiah Lan. I don't know yet, but I do
Speaker 8: know that you need to put him on this roster.
Speaker 7: I do think you could get him to your practice
Speaker 7: squad though. I think I think every year there are
Speaker 7: guys like this that you're like, he'll never make it
Speaker 7: to the practice squad. Yeah, he'll never make a practice squad,
Speaker 7: and he'll make it to the practice squad.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 2: I do think he's a guy that.
Speaker 7: Becomes a very good practice squad player for me that
Speaker 7: I think I can develop if I'm making that decision,
Speaker 7: I think I can develop a future years.
Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts.
Speaker 10: I'm right there with what he just said. And it's
Speaker 10: a tough one because of how competitive this whole group is,
Speaker 10: and you look at forget Mikah Parsons everything, the spotlight
Speaker 10: that he usually takes. There have been times where I
Speaker 10: feel like every guy, most of these guys have had
Speaker 10: a flashy moment I saw some of the one on
Speaker 10: one drills out of training camp, which is my favorite
Speaker 10: drill of all of them, and there is strength in
Speaker 10: a lot of these guys. There's quickness, how fast they
Speaker 10: just get off and go. So it's a tough battle
Speaker 10: because I feel so many of them are just right there.
Speaker 9: So it makes me I would love to know the opinion.
Speaker 10: What the coaches are thinking and what are the kinds
Speaker 10: of traits that they value the most, because I think
Speaker 10: that it's just gonna come down to that. But that's
Speaker 10: that's a very hard question.
Speaker 9: Derek, Yeah, what are you thinking?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, like I said, I think he's a
Speaker 7: guy you can get to your practice squad, and my
Speaker 7: expectations that's where he will end up. I just don't
Speaker 7: I think this roster is too deep that It's one
Speaker 7: of the things I love about this defense right now
Speaker 7: is they are so deep at so many positions. The
Speaker 7: one that that that they're actually not as deep at
Speaker 7: because of the injury as a linebacker. I was thinking,
Speaker 7: you know, you at overshown into what they already have.
Speaker 7: The linebackers are even deep. There would have been no
Speaker 7: position on the defense where if I would have sustained
Speaker 7: one injury, I would have been like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: that thinks except for obviously eleven. He's eleven. You're not
Speaker 7: going to replace him with anybody because he's just so special.
Speaker 7: But anybody else, I felt like, hey, you could sustain
Speaker 7: ain't that because you have enough depth that the next
Speaker 7: guy you don't drop off too much from the guy
Speaker 7: that preceded him. So I just look at this defense
Speaker 7: and I'm just so impressed with that. And that's why
Speaker 7: a guy like in Isaiah land that it's flashed and
Speaker 7: shown you something in camp, just it's hard for him
Speaker 7: to make a roster like this.
Speaker 2: It's just too deep.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 8: Do you have any PTSD from the Ridgeway And obviously
Speaker 8: Ridgeway wasn't lost in the initial cutdowns in waivers, but
Speaker 8: when they played the waivers game as the beginning of
Speaker 8: the season rolled along, then the commander swooped in and
Speaker 8: got Ridgeway. Do you think there'd be any kind of
Speaker 8: flashback there as far as risking Isaiah laying and saying, hey,
Speaker 8: well if we put them on waivers, we might lose
Speaker 8: him to a division rivle.
Speaker 7: Here's my question for you. I'll answer that question. With
Speaker 7: a question, do you feel like right now, f Ridgeway,
Speaker 7: we're here, that he would be among the top two
Speaker 7: or three? Would he be right on the bubble again.
Speaker 3: He'll be in the bubble again here we go.
Speaker 7: So you didn't really lose anything, like you're so deep
Speaker 7: at the position. Yeah, you basically replaced him with other
Speaker 7: guys that were comfortable, So it's not like you lost anything.
Speaker 7: It's not like you lost the guy that has turned
Speaker 7: out to be an easy you know, he is your
Speaker 7: plug in starting defensive tackle. He's not better than Osu right, agreed,
Speaker 7: He's not better than than Hankins. He's not going to
Speaker 7: be better than Mazi. So all those things considered, like,
Speaker 7: he still is going to be a guy that would
Speaker 7: be down there that you'd we'd be talking about him
Speaker 7: today as a potential bubble guy.
Speaker 8: I look at a player like Junior for Hoko, and
Speaker 8: they're not going to move on from their rookie fourth
Speaker 8: round pick. But I would have loved to see more
Speaker 8: from Junior for Hoko and camp. And I know that
Speaker 8: he was battling the shoulder injury that slowed a lot
Speaker 8: of his progress this camp, but I just would have
Speaker 8: liked to see what he can do more so to
Speaker 8: this point, which makes the conversation easier for me as
Speaker 8: far as the Isaiah land because and I'm not saying
Speaker 8: it's Lamb versus for Hoko, but in the grand scheme,
Speaker 8: if you're looking at the macro of trying to figure
Speaker 8: out the roster, I would have just loved to see
Speaker 8: more from for Hoko. But I mean, he'll be on
Speaker 8: this roster.
Speaker 7: But that's the thing, Like, that's the hard part of this.
Speaker 7: You say, for Hoko is going to be on this roster.
Speaker 7: Defensive end might be the deepest position on the actual team.
Speaker 7: Like Nick was talking about this yesterday on another show.
Speaker 7: I heard him talking about it. He was like, when
Speaker 7: you start thinking about this defensive end position, you get
Speaker 7: second team, you even get to the third group of guys,
Speaker 7: and for some teams that would be their first group
Speaker 7: of guys as pass rushers. I don't know where Fooko
Speaker 7: fits on this team. When you start just thinking about
Speaker 7: the raw numbers there are probably right now, there are
Speaker 7: probably six defensive ends that you would say are better
Speaker 7: than for Hoko.
Speaker 2: Are you going to carry a seventh?
Speaker 8: Contrarily, are you willing to cut or wave your rookie fourth.
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. It all makes sense.
Speaker 7: In a normal in a normal situation, you'd be like,
Speaker 7: absolutely not, I'm not letting go of my fourth round pick.
Speaker 7: But okay, So if you're not gonna let go of
Speaker 7: your fourth round pick, which of those guys that we
Speaker 7: just that that that we could throw out there at
Speaker 7: defensive end?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you willing to let go to keep.
Speaker 3: Your fourth round pick? That's the discussion, right.
Speaker 7: All those guys can play right and their experienced players.
Speaker 2: So who are gonna let go?
Speaker 3: Mm?
Speaker 2: Drrence? You gonna let Drans go?
Speaker 3: Hell? No, okay, I didn't want to let Dorance go
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 2: You're gonna let Fouler go? No, you bought You're gonna
Speaker 2: let Sam go.
Speaker 9: That's my point. But that's my point.
Speaker 7: That is the difficulty of this cut right now is
Speaker 7: is you're gonna have some good players and some players
Speaker 7: that you really want for your future that you're gonna
Speaker 7: actually they're gonna actually have to be having discussions about
Speaker 7: letting some of these guys go.
Speaker 8: It also depends on how you how you file Michael Parsons. Now,
Speaker 8: in reality, we know he's an Edgers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're saying. In reality, you think
Speaker 2: of him as if you could think of him.
Speaker 8: But if you mind him as a linebacker, now you're
Speaker 8: plus one on linebacker, which gives you the vacancy on
Speaker 8: the defensive end. So that's how I think, that's how
Speaker 8: you ultimately get justified junior for Hoko and not having
Speaker 8: to cut your.
Speaker 2: They can play mind games with themselves.
Speaker 9: He's more.
Speaker 3: We'll linebacker.
Speaker 7: We'll call him a linebacker just for the purposes of
Speaker 7: making our roster making.
Speaker 3: There you go, it's magic.
Speaker 7: All right, let's move on. I'll throw out another name
Speaker 7: for you guys. This one's another interesting one, another polarizing one,
Speaker 7: probably as much as as Kelvin Joseph Josh Baul mhmm.
Speaker 9: Hold on, I'm looking at all the guys. Uh we
Speaker 9: got on here.
Speaker 10: Okay again, back to the question, how many are we keeping?
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 2: We don't have those numbers. We don't have those By
Speaker 2: the way, that's the show.
Speaker 9: That's the show.
Speaker 2: That's the show that we will do.
Speaker 7: Uh maybe Friday or next Tuesday is we will actually
Speaker 7: cut this roster down. But right now we're just having
Speaker 7: the discussion of where he fits, like how has he performed.
Speaker 7: What's your evaluation of him, because my opinion is he's
Speaker 7: been very similar to Kelvin Joseph, a guy that coming
Speaker 7: off last year you didn't really think necessarily had it.
Speaker 2: They moved him to.
Speaker 7: Guard moments, but he's been I will say this the
Speaker 7: preseason game, this last preseason game, I thought he played
Speaker 7: as well as I've ever seen him play. I think
Speaker 7: there towards the end of training camp I saw him
Speaker 7: play maybe as well as I've ever seen him play.
Speaker 7: So going back to your point, Patrick, timing is everything.
Speaker 7: He's starting to kind of make some headway, and.
Speaker 2: This is a new position for him.
Speaker 7: None of us, I think I can say this with
Speaker 7: some pretty good confidence. I don't think any of us
Speaker 7: expected that Josh Ball would actually be a player at
Speaker 7: guard when we heard they were moving to guard, when
Speaker 7: we are like, he's too tall, that's not gonna work.
Speaker 7: But I will say here, over the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 7: we have started to see some signs that maybe he's
Speaker 7: getting better at it.
Speaker 10: Yes, to me, again, I feel like he's had certain
Speaker 10: moments where he's flashed and you can see a slight
Speaker 10: curve of him getting better. But I'm gonna cheat on this.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go based on this roster depth chart that
Speaker 10: Cowboys pr I mean, he's listed right behind Zach Martin. Hey,
Speaker 10: I'm saying we don't go really based on all this,
Speaker 10: But hey, according to Peter, I'm cheating because I don't
Speaker 10: have an answer for you right now. I feel that honestly,
Speaker 10: the fact that you're gonna have to keep so many guys,
Speaker 10: I think he makes it and he's gonna be here.
Speaker 2: Just because you don't have a lot of the options.
Speaker 10: Is that what you're saying, Yes, I think you need
Speaker 10: the bodies. I think he will make the roster because
Speaker 10: of that, unless there was some kind of move that
Speaker 10: happens and the Cowboys go out and acquire somebody else
Speaker 10: to help on the O line. Otherwise I don't see
Speaker 10: him not being on the team.
Speaker 8: I do agree that the Cowboys need the bodies, and
Speaker 8: that's why they get a sixteen man practice squad. And
Speaker 8: I am not of the opinion that if you wave
Speaker 8: Josh ball he's going to get scooped up by another team.
Speaker 8: He's still very much development developing in his new role.
Speaker 3: Timing is everything.
Speaker 8: Yes, he's starting to come on strong, but his coming
Speaker 8: on strong for me is just enough to show the
Speaker 8: Cowboys they need to continue to develop him there.
Speaker 3: But I think it's from.
Speaker 8: A practice squad capacity because if you look at if
Speaker 8: you carry ten, even if you carry eleven, all right,
Speaker 8: you know who you're starting five is. But when you
Speaker 8: go to the second level, Austin Richards, he's that rookie.
Speaker 8: He's starting to come on now. Brock Hoffman, he had
Speaker 8: a rough game in Pass Pro, but for the most part,
Speaker 8: very strong camp Matt FARNIACI has potential to swing, and
Speaker 8: he has potential as a backup center behind Linstrom.
Speaker 7: Don't forget TJ.
Speaker 6: Bass.
Speaker 8: I'm getting there. Sorry, That's exactly my point. As I
Speaker 8: go down the list.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 8: Bass not necessarily the best practice guy, but boy, he
Speaker 8: is an absolute gamer. So the question that you would
Speaker 8: then't have to ask yourself whether you're carrying ten or
Speaker 8: eleven offensive linemen, do you want Josh Ball or do
Speaker 8: you want TJ Bass on the fifty three mans roster.
Speaker 8: I think that's where it comes down. It's versus farniac
Speaker 8: versus Ball, and in that equation it's Bass and farnioc
Speaker 8: I give the nod too, and I get Josh Ball
Speaker 8: back on the practice squad to protect against injury to
Speaker 8: either of those players. I think that's how the Josh
Speaker 8: Ball equation should be played out.
Speaker 7: Fact of the matter is, I'm not certain. I know
Speaker 7: we've given a lot of we've given them a hard
Speaker 7: time quite a bit. I'm talking about Ball, but I'm
Speaker 7: not certain that. I'm not certain that Ball is a
Speaker 7: guy you could put out there that somebody wouldn't pick up, because.
Speaker 2: I know how tough.
Speaker 7: Right now, the Cowboys are not the only team in
Speaker 7: the NFL that are looking for offensive linemen. Offensive linemen
Speaker 7: are hard to come by this time of the year,
Speaker 7: and I think there's probably some teams that have There
Speaker 7: are certainly some teams that have lesser fortunes on the
Speaker 7: offensive line than the Dallas Cowboys, and from that standpoint,
Speaker 7: I think they're probably intrigued to some degree by the
Speaker 7: same things that the Cowboys are intrigued by his traits,
Speaker 7: because his traits tell you, man, this guy ought to
Speaker 7: be able to play in the NFL. There's some team
Speaker 7: out there that I think would probably be a little
Speaker 7: bit intrigued and has the room to say, yeah, we
Speaker 7: could definitely make him fit here because he's he's still
Speaker 7: gonna be better than what we got.
Speaker 8: Okay, So I'll say this one, love you, but don't
Speaker 8: agree in the event that we're you're.
Speaker 2: Not supposed to.
Speaker 3: In the event that were.
Speaker 8: To happen, I'm going to flip. This is putting your
Speaker 8: energy right back on to you in the event that
Speaker 8: were to happen. Is he irreplaceable?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: It having the Ridgeway conversation right.
Speaker 8: So thirty one other teams is going to let go
Speaker 8: of back up left guards who probably that's their base
Speaker 8: position and maybe could step in and be a more
Speaker 8: of an immediate impact as a backup guy than Josh
Speaker 8: Ball in his development state. So I say all of
Speaker 8: that to say, I believe the Cowboys like what they're
Speaker 8: seeing as of late. I believe Josh Baul is a
Speaker 8: strong practice squad candidate. I feel like he's risk worth risking.
Speaker 8: He's worth risking to Waivers as a way to avoid
Speaker 8: risking a guy like TJ ask the waivers, Matt Foarniac
Speaker 8: the waivers and try to get him back on the
Speaker 8: practice squad. And if you happen to lose Josh Ball
Speaker 8: to Waivers, somebody's going to fall onto the waiver wire
Speaker 8: that or into free agency outright that you can bring
Speaker 8: in and still add to the practice squad.
Speaker 7: Well, here's how I would look at that. Though that
Speaker 7: sounds good for us, I don't know if I don't
Speaker 7: know if the guys. I don't know if the guys
Speaker 7: upstairs necessarily see it that way. And what I mean
Speaker 7: by that is they invested a fourth round pick in
Speaker 7: this guy, and the way they look at him, they
Speaker 7: may say, hey, we really really believe that his traits
Speaker 7: suggests he's going to be a really good player, not
Speaker 7: just a guy we can just throw in as a number.
Speaker 2: We think he can be a really good player. He
Speaker 2: needs development.
Speaker 7: So those kind of guys you look at and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't know if I necessarily want to lose him.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 7: For right now, I could bring in somebody that's probably comparable.
Speaker 7: But a year from now, am I looking at a
Speaker 7: Josh Ball who they may say his traits suggests A
Speaker 7: year from now he's a guy that's one of the
Speaker 7: better guards in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Right, So that's where I.
Speaker 7: Don't know what their assessment is of him to where
Speaker 7: they're willing to let him go or not.
Speaker 8: So we're talking because you mentioned draft pick status. Yeah,
Speaker 8: aren't we passed the expiration date on Met Milk?
Speaker 3: Yeah we are.
Speaker 7: That's fine, that's fine, But that's also where once again,
Speaker 7: that's also where it goes back to and I said
Speaker 7: this when we're talking about Calvin Joseph as well, that's
Speaker 7: that's our assessment.
Speaker 2: That's not their assessment.
Speaker 7: Necessarily, their assessment has to include we're based on what
Speaker 7: we're seeing and based on what we thought of him
Speaker 7: coming out of out of college. Where is he in
Speaker 7: that trajectory and do we still see that runway where
Speaker 7: he can grow If we think he's still ascending, are
Speaker 7: we giving up too soon on him? Like Ridgeway, I
Speaker 7: don't know, Ridgeway. I'm looking at and saying he's still ascending.
Speaker 7: I think he is a good player and he's going
Speaker 7: to be a good solid though. Yeah it did, it
Speaker 7: did not like but that that is a I don't
Speaker 7: I don't know that. I look at him, and they
Speaker 7: may look at Josh Ball and say we think he's
Speaker 7: going to be an ascending player. We're not willing to
Speaker 7: let him go for what's comparable right now because what
Speaker 7: he will be a year from now will be much
Speaker 7: more than that. Again, I'm not saying that's my assessment.
Speaker 7: I'm saying that could be could be their assessment.
Speaker 9: Do you go deeper a gar or tackle?
Speaker 2: Well, you know what complicates that conversation is.
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith because Tyler Smith can swing out to tackle.
Speaker 8: Answer both conflicts. Yeah, answer is keep the guys who
Speaker 8: can flecks the versatility. That's where versatility really comes into play.
Speaker 8: That's the answer to the question. The answer is yes,
Speaker 8: you go deep, at deep, retguard and at tackles.
Speaker 10: Let's say, backup guys that do have those kinds of
Speaker 10: that kind of versatility.
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Speaker 7: I did promise, I did promise at the beginning of
Speaker 7: the show that we would have a conversation about Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 7: and I know we were in that other conversation, but
Speaker 7: I think we got at least addressed that before the
Speaker 7: show is done. Jonathan Taylor, for those that don't know,
Speaker 7: he's running back for the Indianapolis Colts. He is a
Speaker 7: player that has been a little disgruntled, and the report
Speaker 7: is that he now has gotten permission from the Colts
Speaker 7: to seek a trade. And so, obviously, as is the
Speaker 7: case with any player in the NFL, as soon as
Speaker 7: he's able to seek a trade, the Dallas Cowboys become
Speaker 7: a part of the conversation because fans love to put
Speaker 7: them in the conversation and media loves to talk about it,
Speaker 7: and so we're going to talk about it and just
Speaker 7: give you our thoughts. Now, the question was asked to
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones yesterday. Here was his response. He said, We'll
Speaker 7: look at every opportunity, but the way our young backs
Speaker 7: are playing, I am very comfortable where we are with
Speaker 7: our backs right now. I feel good about our running
Speaker 7: back position if we didn't add anyone. Now, before we
Speaker 7: get into the conversation, what I want to say real
Speaker 7: quickly is everything that said after that that starts now.
Speaker 7: These are our opinions. These are not the opinions of
Speaker 7: the Dallas Cowboys. They are not the opinions of Jerry Jones.
Speaker 7: They are our opinions of what we think the Cowboys
Speaker 7: should do as media people. All Right, now that we've
Speaker 7: gotten that out there, what are your thoughts on Jonathan
Speaker 7: Taylor and specifically the possibilities of the Cowboys may be
Speaker 7: making a move.
Speaker 9: I'll make it asked.
Speaker 10: I will not partake in this conversation because it doesn't
Speaker 10: make any sense to me. You just said it in
Speaker 10: the quote that Jerry said, and I have the same
Speaker 10: opinion with the way that these young running backs have
Speaker 10: been performing and playing. I just don't see any reason
Speaker 10: to add somebody else. You still have Tony Poller, who
Speaker 10: you gave the franchise tag to and I just don't
Speaker 10: see where he would fit.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 10: You can post a conversation of him being a talented
Speaker 10: player and the type of firepower that he can bring.
Speaker 10: But at the same time, I don't think you're necessarily
Speaker 10: missing there are other positions that I would rather make
Speaker 10: a trade for than the running back.
Speaker 8: I'm out on that. I'm out on Jonathan Taylor, and
Speaker 8: not because of the skill set. Jonathan Taylor is in
Speaker 8: an absolute minuce. But and yes, and arguably he's better
Speaker 8: than as much as I love Tony Poller than Rico,
Speaker 8: o'dowdell and Duceval coming in. And yes, Jonathan Taylor is
Speaker 8: more proven and better. That being said, is he so
Speaker 8: much better? It is so much far ahead of this
Speaker 8: current group that you would give up premium picks plural
Speaker 8: for the right to bring him in and give him
Speaker 8: a chunk of Micah's and CD Lambs's money. Keeping in
Speaker 8: mind that de Marcus Lawrence is also coming due during
Speaker 8: Armstrong is coming due. Yes, Terrence Steell, Terrence Steele, you
Speaker 8: still have to get the deal do on Terror Steel,
Speaker 8: Scott Dak Prescott is coming. A lot of contracts coms,
Speaker 8: so a lot of contracts coming up, and for those
Speaker 8: that are fantasizing and you know, getting romantic about Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 8: keep the numbers game in your conversation as well, because
Speaker 8: it's not fantasy football where you just drop the guy
Speaker 8: in and you start racking up points. You have to
Speaker 8: pay this guy. The reason he's disgruntled with the Coats
Speaker 8: is because the way the RB market is shaped shaping out,
Speaker 8: and then that led to his you know, the team
Speaker 8: owner and Indy making comments.
Speaker 3: He wants to get paid.
Speaker 8: The Cowboys are not in a position where they should
Speaker 8: do that given everything they need to get done contractually.
Speaker 8: So from a player standpoint, he's a great guy and
Speaker 8: I hope he winds up in a great spot that
Speaker 8: is not in the NFC East. But as hard as
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are concerned, it's a hard noe for me.
Speaker 7: And you know that's the hard part for Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 7: I think is that I think he wants more money,
Speaker 7: and I think, as is the case for a lot
Speaker 7: of the great running backs in the NFL that are
Speaker 7: really great right now, they're looking at the market and
Speaker 7: how the market is shake me out, and they're realizing
Speaker 7: that there isn't the big money out there for running backs,
Speaker 7: and that's where I think the draw that the hang
Speaker 7: up is going to be and impossibly getting traded. Yeah,
Speaker 7: teams may be willing to give the picks to get
Speaker 7: the talent of Jonathan Taylor, I'm not sure they'd be
Speaker 7: willing to give him that new deal. And if he's
Speaker 7: not willing to get that, and if they're not willing
Speaker 7: to give him that new deal, is he really getting
Speaker 7: any a better situation going somewhere else than where he
Speaker 7: is right now.
Speaker 3: With the Colts.
Speaker 7: And that's not to pay for that is just but
Speaker 7: you know, that's the hard part. And I just I
Speaker 7: believe that this is a market situation. The market is
Speaker 7: just saying I don't have to pay that higher price
Speaker 7: for running back, and it sucks for running backs.
Speaker 2: But that's the market.
Speaker 7: And I don't know how you change that unless you
Speaker 7: start getting less running backs to where it drives the
Speaker 7: price back up. I talked about this earlier in camp.
Speaker 7: This is basic economics, guys. You know your demand will
Speaker 7: affect your price, right, And so unless they're that number
Speaker 7: of good running backs shrinks down quite a bit to
Speaker 7: where teams are like they're aren't enough of them to
Speaker 7: go around, as is the case with quarterback, as is
Speaker 7: the case with left tackles, as is the case with cornerbacks,
Speaker 7: as is the case with pass rushers. Like all those
Speaker 7: positions where it's not enough to go around or you
Speaker 7: can always have more, those those numbers keep going up.
Speaker 7: There are just a lot of really good running backs,
Speaker 7: and what teams are figuring out is even running backs
Speaker 7: that may not be as great as some of the
Speaker 7: other as some of the better players, you can still
Speaker 7: make things happen. You can still go win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 7: as the Kansas City Chiefs did with a guy that's
Speaker 7: a six round pick. And so it's just you don't
Speaker 7: necessarily have to spend the big money. And because of that,
Speaker 7: that's just where the market is. So I don't know
Speaker 7: that this is going to help Jonathan Taylor move into
Speaker 7: another team. So know, if there's another team that's going
Speaker 7: to be willing to give him that new deal.
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's more interesting if Cowboys fans hear
Speaker 8: what Jerry said. It's more interesting first and foremost, Tony
Speaker 8: Rico deuce let him cook. Let's right, But it's more
Speaker 8: interesting that Jerry said. You know, don't count us out
Speaker 8: of the waiver wire when it comes to RB talent.
Speaker 8: So the Cowboys might be on the lookout for RB
Speaker 8: talent that falls from the other thirty one teams. That's
Speaker 8: the more intriguing thing to see because that tells me
Speaker 8: that they still want to see more from Elite Davis.
Speaker 8: You know, he'll have a chance against the Raiders. Like,
Speaker 8: where do they view Elite Davis in the capacity of
Speaker 8: your team owner just stood up there and said, Hey,
Speaker 8: we're not out on probably bringing in the guy from
Speaker 8: a waiver wire next week.
Speaker 2: That would make me nervous.
Speaker 7: It's nervous if I were Ronald Jones.
Speaker 8: Very would him at the top of the show. So,
Speaker 8: Malie Davis, Ronald Jones, what does that put them? But
Speaker 8: that's the actual conversation. Jonathan Taylor, for as great as
Speaker 8: he is, it just it doesn't make sense for Dallas.
Speaker 7: All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We're back
Speaker 7: on Friday. Actually, these guys will be back on Friday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: Amber will host on Friday, and actually I think Nick's
Speaker 7: gonna join you guys. Yeah, so so you guys have
Speaker 7: a great show. I will be Yeah, I have Daddy
Speaker 7: taking my daughter.
Speaker 8: To college, and I'll be out of state because my
Speaker 8: daughter turns eleven.
Speaker 10: Daughters, girls enjoy.
Speaker 7: No, it's gonna be a lot of crying, but we'll
Speaker 7: get through it.
Speaker 2: We'll get through it all right. Appreciate you guys, Jones.
Speaker 2: We will be back. They'll be back on Friday.
Speaker 7: We'll be back next Tuesday, and we'll get Tuesday and
Speaker 7: Thursday wrapped up. The Cowboys will make their cuts and
Speaker 7: then guess what we will be.
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