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Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Were right with mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker

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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, August twenty third, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,

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Speaker 7: Episode number twenty. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 7: We are a live nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the

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Speaker 7: Star and today we've got I've got a lot of

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Speaker 7: different topics We're gonna hit. We're gonna talk about some

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Speaker 7: bubble guys. I got a whole list of guys that

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Speaker 7: I wanted to go through, get some opinions from these

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Speaker 7: folks about how they are performing and where they fit

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Speaker 7: right now. We also talk about a player that's out

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Speaker 7: there that we just have learned over the last couple

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Speaker 7: of days is a player that might be available for

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Speaker 7: trade and whether the Cowboys might or might not or

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Speaker 7: should or should not have interest in one Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 7: We'll talk about that here in a moment. Welcome my

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Speaker 7: co host to the stage, Amber Garcia, Patrick Walker, Brian's

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Speaker 7: out today, but we'll hold it down, right, we'll hold

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Speaker 7: it down today.

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Speaker 2: So let's first start. I want to get some updates

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Speaker 2: from you, Patrick.

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Speaker 7: Last night, the Cowboys had a practice here in Frisco

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Speaker 7: at the Star Training Camp continues. It was about a

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Speaker 7: two hour practice and we kind of saw some different

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Speaker 7: things from the standpoint of injuries of people that kind

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Speaker 7: of we're back, some were not. Let's talk about some

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Speaker 7: of those. Ronald Jones, where is he from an injury standpoint.

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Speaker 8: Ronald Jones was a limited participant in yesterday's practice. He

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Speaker 8: was in full pads and helmet. He did individual drills,

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Speaker 8: but did not participate in team drills. Once the team

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Speaker 8: drills fired up, Rojoe went back to the rehab group.

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Speaker 8: So that comment from Mike McCarthy saying that Jones would

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Speaker 8: be quote unquote challenged to take the field against the Raiders,

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Speaker 8: that it's holding true thus far. We'll see what happens

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Speaker 8: today in paddi practice, but it's not looking good for

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Speaker 8: Ronald Jones. If he does miss obviously, that means he

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Speaker 8: will have missed the entirety of the preseason with their

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Speaker 8: groin injury. As the Cowboys get into their roster cuts

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Speaker 8: and we see that Rico Daludo and Duce Vaughan have

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Speaker 8: pretty much cemented their spots. Not a lot of space

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Speaker 8: there before will go room jer.

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Speaker 9: You remember those two games that he's gonna miss in the.

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Speaker 3: Regular two games?

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Speaker 7: Suspension these largest that Yeah, I did, that's huge.

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Speaker 8: Two games suspension looms large as well, Matt. Well, let's

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Speaker 8: go a little bit more promising news. Matt Let's Go

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Speaker 8: was on the field yesterday full uniform, participated in individual

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Speaker 8: drills and select team drills with that shoulder injury that

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Speaker 8: he suffered against the Seattle Seahawks. So well, Let's Go

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Speaker 8: does have appears to have a much better chance of

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Speaker 8: taking the field against the Raiders. Great news for a

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Speaker 8: Cowboys team that is battling offensive line depth issue and

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Speaker 8: a front runner for that swing tackle position. Spoke with

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Speaker 8: Schoolmaker yesterday as he continues his recovery from plantar fasciaitis.

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Speaker 8: Great news from the rookie second round pick. Told me

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Speaker 8: directly that his foot feels quote unquote like it was

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Speaker 8: So all things considered, Cowboys are starting to get healthier.

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Speaker 8: Donovan Wilson still on track for Week one. Israe Mukuamu

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Speaker 8: demarveyon overshown in John Stevens, but they've got a plan

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Speaker 8: for that. Particularly with overshown. Marquise Bell is going to

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Speaker 7: Talking about Nashan Wright and Elik Jefferson, anything we're hearing on.

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Speaker 8: Malik Jefferson still dealing with the foot injury. Didn't see

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Speaker 8: former second round pick, to kind of step up as

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys hopefully prepare for the return of Jordan Lewis,

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Speaker 8: which is another positive that's looming on the horizon because

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Speaker 8: me having the conversation with Jordan Lewis as recently as

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Speaker 8: last week, he said he can do everything. He's doing

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Speaker 8: the the September first cut down? And if he does,

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Speaker 8: then he starts the season on pupp and he's down

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Speaker 8: for four games before the Cowboys have to figure that out.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's where they are right now.

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Speaker 7: Talk to me about best case scenario. Let's assume for

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Speaker 7: Bland there? Because it's clear Deryn Blan is the future.

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Speaker 7: He is the future for the Cowboys when it comes

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Speaker 10: I would not mess with Darron Bland at all. Whatsoever

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Speaker 10: he's been. He did an amazing job last year, his

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Speaker 10: I'm like, wow, I'm impressed by what the just the

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Speaker 10: that he's competing. There might be sometimes where he's missed

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Speaker 10: by nature of the sport in the game, but all

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Speaker 8: I agree, and I've put this out there on Twitter

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Speaker 8: as well when the question was posed, do you play

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Speaker 8: do the Cowboys play the roster numbers game when it

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Speaker 8: buys you time? Well, number one, this was pre injury

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Speaker 8: still think that Jordan Lewis at eighty percent is better

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Speaker 8: how to play nickel. So Deron Bland in that instance,

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Speaker 8: you bring Jordan Lewis back, let Deron Bland remain your

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Speaker 3: And that's how I would play it that way.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with you, and I look at Jordan Lewis, man,

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Speaker 7: I know, I like Deron Bland's game a lot. I

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Speaker 7: look at Jordan Lewis and I'm like to run. Jordan

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Speaker 7: Lewis is a really good player. I think he's one

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Speaker 7: of the more underrated players over the last several years

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Speaker 7: for the Yeah, he's always been and I think it's

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Speaker 7: probably because of his size a little bit people underestimate him.

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Speaker 7: But he's got to make mix plays. He's not afraid

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Speaker 7: He does everything you would want a slot cornerback to do,

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Speaker 2: Just shit.

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Speaker 7: I look at that and I'm like, it's nice to

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Speaker 7: have a deron Bland and to know he's going to

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Speaker 7: be your future. But I want to get everything I

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Speaker 7: could possibly get out of Jordan Lewis.

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Speaker 10: Look what happened last year. You had struggles there at

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Speaker 10: Lewis will see time on the field. I think he

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Speaker 3: Guy, perfectly said.

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Speaker 8: And to that point, I want every Cowboys fan who

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Speaker 8: Lewis's trade bait get it out of here, because there's

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Speaker 8: this perennial act or attitude of, oh, well, we are

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Speaker 8: and then you lose Anthony Brown, and then you lose

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Speaker 8: in Jacksonville, and then you lose in Green Bay because

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Speaker 8: your cornerback play dropped off quite a bit. Bottom line is,

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Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis could have been a breakout player for the

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Speaker 8: Cowboys long before he became one high Chris Rachard, but

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Speaker 8: at one point pre digs, Jordan Lewis was the only

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Speaker 8: Lewis was doing it and he's not the prototypical corner

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Speaker 8: dominant impact cornerbacks Digs Gilmore, Bland, and then Lewis in rotation,

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Speaker 10: Yes, good, Sorry, I was were you gonna ask no,

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Speaker 10: NodD Okay, I was just gonna say, since we're on

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Speaker 10: topic at the cornerback position, I wanted to ask you

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Speaker 10: guys your thoughts on Kelvin Joseph were his ad because

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Speaker 10: just a training camp, different practices, I've seen them given

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Speaker 10: him a lot of opportunity, Like he's gotten a lot

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Speaker 10: of reps with the first team defense, so and he's

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Speaker 10: always seems to be out just wondering, like, have y'all's

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Speaker 10: opinion changed.

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Speaker 9: As far as like gury evaluation of the player.

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Speaker 7: Well, here's what I'm gonna do. That was a great

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Speaker 7: setup amber, because that was where we were going to

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Speaker 7: go in the next, in the next, in the next

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Speaker 7: part of this show. We actually that's our top bubble guy,

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Speaker 7: because I think he is a very very interesting player,

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Speaker 7: and quite frankly, I do think he relates quite nicely

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Speaker 7: to the conversation having about Jordan Lewis, because if Jordans

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Speaker 7: You know I was mentioned I was thinking I'd love

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Speaker 7: think of our new studio. We had this this new

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Speaker 2: Some of them may not.

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Speaker 7: Some of them may be clearly guys that won't make

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Speaker 7: player that we mentioned right before the break, Kelvin Joseph.

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Speaker 7: He is a very interesting player from the standpoint that

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Speaker 7: he was a former second round pick. I would think

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Speaker 7: Now again he's playing against guys that probably won't be

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Speaker 2: Know, preferable.

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Speaker 7: You want guys making plays, and he was making some plays.

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Speaker 7: That being said, what is your assessment of Kelvin Joseph

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Speaker 7: as it sits today? We'll start with the Amber since

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Speaker 9: My own question.

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Speaker 10: Let's right, Well, we were talking about it during the

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Speaker 9: Guys and not winning though winning those, But there.

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Speaker 10: There have been a little, very few, very few where

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Speaker 10: And it impressed me the fact that they're giving him

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Speaker 9: Making those mistakes.

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Speaker 10: But just all in all, I think he's gotten better,

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Speaker 10: But I don't know I'm budding yet. Now you have

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Speaker 9: But I don't know. You guys, tell me what y'all feel.

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Speaker 10: It's just the fact that I see him so much

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Speaker 8: I feel like, to be blunt, I'm not the component

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Speaker 8: because I know that that's out of necessity. That's because

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys are trying to give Kelvin Joseph every possible

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Speaker 8: They do not want to move on from him because

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Speaker 3: They want to see some value here.

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Speaker 8: So because it's out of necessity and it's basically them

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Speaker 8: pointing at him saying, show me something. The number of

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Speaker 8: The first half of camp. Alluding to Derek's point, he

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Speaker 3: Have been flags.

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Speaker 8: That's just being objective about it now. In keeping with

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Speaker 8: it's almost time for roster cuts. He had a pass

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Speaker 8: starting to find his stride. The question that I now

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Speaker 8: now wherein you make a decision that moves you on

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Speaker 8: from Eric Scott. I don't think that's the case. Because

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Speaker 8: you traded up to get Eric Scott. You don't want

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Speaker 8: to move on from Eric Scott. Jordan Lewis is coming back,

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Speaker 8: if he's healthy, then you want your Jodan Lewis, because,

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Speaker 8: as I said, eighty percent, Jordan Lewis is already better

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Speaker 8: than everybody not named Diggs, Gilmore, Bland, Okay, Nishan Wright.

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Speaker 8: Where's he on the injury for?

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Speaker 10: It does matter though, despite the trade that he had

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Speaker 10: a higher draft value are you.

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Speaker 7: Talking about at this point?

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Speaker 2: That doesn't matter the time.

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Speaker 8: Expire, It doesn't matter if you can't keep riding the drafts.

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Speaker 2: To this is the third season, This is yeah expired.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't matter anymore honestly that in my opinion now,

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Speaker 7: a very different look at that of how much latitude

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Speaker 7: I don't want to cut my draft pick the year

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Speaker 7: I draft them. I want to give them the benefit

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Speaker 7: of the doubt that one off season will allow them

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Speaker 7: to you have to prove it or I'm dropping somebody

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Speaker 3: Eric Scott.

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Speaker 8: Now, and I'm wondering because when this comes to a

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Speaker 8: they got to do special teams. Okay, so Kelvin jokes

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Speaker 8: if that would be his big and a special teams

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Speaker 8: they can kind of filter him in. But if you're

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Speaker 8: keeping him, is Nashaun healthy or are you starting Nashwan

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Speaker 8: on the pup list to sit him for four games

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Speaker 8: and then you figure things out four weeks out Eric Scott.

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Speaker 8: I don't think they move on from Eric Scott.

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Speaker 8: Goodwin doesn't play defense during the regular season. But you

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Speaker 8: lost Noah Brown as you're oh, he's on there, I mean,

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Speaker 8: That's why you brought CJ back on a one year

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Speaker 8: deal so he could be. So if you're not going

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Speaker 8: to move on from c J. Goodwin, you're not going

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Speaker 8: to move on from Eric Scott. If Nashaun Wright is healthy,

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Speaker 8: Andeordan Lewis is healthy, where do you squeeze Kelvin In?

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Speaker 8: So again, Kelvin He's come on strong at the right

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Speaker 8: time these couple of games. Question is has he come

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Speaker 8: on strong enough to defeat those guys if they're healthy

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Speaker 3: Goodwin. Who's your special teams? You're a loan special teams

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Speaker 3: ain't at this point.

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Speaker 7: As an aside, I actually think of all the years

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Speaker 7: I've been covering the Cowboys. I've been here now for

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Speaker 7: twenty something years, and yeah, I know you're right there

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Speaker 7: be the best special teams player I've ever seen with

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Speaker 7: the Cowboys in the time I've been here. This guy

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Speaker 7: in times when something goes wrong he gets blocked, he

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00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 7: still has a way to recover to get back into

439
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 7: the play. I've just I've never I have not seen

440
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 7: and have There's been some good special teams player. Keith

441
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 7: Davis comes in mind. He was really good here on

442
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 7: special teams. Actually when I got here, I want to say,

443
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 7: I'm not sure anyway there there there have been. There

444
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 7: have been some really good ones. There have been some

445
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 7: really good ones. I would make the argument, really he

446
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 7: is the best that I've seen. He is the best

447
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 7: I've seen in the time I've been here. He is

448
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 7: a true special team's ace. All right, let's move on

449
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 7: to another name I'm gonna throw out for you guys.

450
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 7: Isaiah Land. Very interesting player. Uh this last game he

451
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 7: did have a forced fumble and a sack.

452
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: What do you what do you think about him?

453
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,239
Speaker 8: I do love me some Isaiah Land. He was just

454
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 8: a menace against the Jacksonville jag Wars, which rolls over

455
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 8: what he was doing in camp.

456
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: Practice is out in Oxford and you hit an Oxnord

457
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: ox nerd?

458
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 2: Did you hit?

459
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:42,959
Speaker 3: Did hit?

460
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 8: You got me a little bit? Georgia Twain came out.

461
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 8: But it's funnily enough. Against the Seahawks, uh not a

462
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 8: few minutes before he did the forced fumble. He got

463
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 8: the forced bumble. I was like, Isaiah has been kind

464
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 8: of quiet, and then two reps later, force fumble. I

465
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 8: guess he heard me from the press box. So, I

466
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 8: mean he's impacting games over these last two preseason games.

467
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 8: I anticipate he will impact the game against the Raiders.

468
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 8: I think you got to find a way to get

469
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 8: him on to the roster. I really do. Who does

470
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 8: that push out? That's the question mark because the Cowboys

471
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 8: are absolutely stacked on the defensive front. I mean, Quentin

472
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 8: Bohanna's coming on strong, Devill Gallamore is coming on strong,

473
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 8: Chauncey Ghosten his December last year.

474
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 9: Total guys, you're keeping.

475
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: That's been discussion.

476
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 8: That depends on how many you're running on the offensive line.

477
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 8: I think those two things are on a scale. So

478
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 8: if you go plus one O L then your minus.

479
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 9: Well, we know who needs it more exactly.

480
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 8: The point, so you might run ten I'd say ten

481
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 8: defensive linemen.

482
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: I can't figure out just yet.

483
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 8: I really, I really do need this game against the

484
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 8: Raiders to figure out who I would take away to

485
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 8: add Isaiah Lan. I don't know yet, but I do

486
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 8: know that you need to put him on this roster.

487
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 7: I do think you could get him to your practice

488
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 7: squad though. I think I think every year there are

489
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 7: guys like this that you're like, he'll never make it

490
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 7: to the practice squad. Yeah, he'll never make a practice squad,

491
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 7: and he'll make it to the practice squad.

492
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: It's okay.

493
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: I do think he's a guy that.

494
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 7: Becomes a very good practice squad player for me that

495
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 7: I think I can develop if I'm making that decision,

496
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 7: I think I can develop a future years.

497
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts.

498
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 10: I'm right there with what he just said. And it's

499
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 10: a tough one because of how competitive this whole group is,

500
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 10: and you look at forget Mikah Parsons everything, the spotlight

501
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 10: that he usually takes. There have been times where I

502
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 10: feel like every guy, most of these guys have had

503
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 10: a flashy moment I saw some of the one on

504
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 10: one drills out of training camp, which is my favorite

505
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 10: drill of all of them, and there is strength in

506
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 10: a lot of these guys. There's quickness, how fast they

507
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 10: just get off and go. So it's a tough battle

508
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 10: because I feel so many of them are just right there.

509
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 9: So it makes me I would love to know the opinion.

510
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 10: What the coaches are thinking and what are the kinds

511
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 10: of traits that they value the most, because I think

512
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 10: that it's just gonna come down to that. But that's

513
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 10: that's a very hard question.

514
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 9: Derek, Yeah, what are you thinking?

515
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, like I said, I think he's a

516
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 7: guy you can get to your practice squad, and my

517
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 7: expectations that's where he will end up. I just don't

518
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 7: I think this roster is too deep that It's one

519
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 7: of the things I love about this defense right now

520
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 7: is they are so deep at so many positions. The

521
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 7: one that that that they're actually not as deep at

522
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 7: because of the injury as a linebacker. I was thinking,

523
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 7: you know, you at overshown into what they already have.

524
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 7: The linebackers are even deep. There would have been no

525
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 7: position on the defense where if I would have sustained

526
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 7: one injury, I would have been like, oh my god,

527
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 7: that thinks except for obviously eleven. He's eleven. You're not

528
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 7: going to replace him with anybody because he's just so special.

529
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 7: But anybody else, I felt like, hey, you could sustain

530
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 7: ain't that because you have enough depth that the next

531
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 7: guy you don't drop off too much from the guy

532
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 7: that preceded him. So I just look at this defense

533
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 7: and I'm just so impressed with that. And that's why

534
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 7: a guy like in Isaiah land that it's flashed and

535
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 7: shown you something in camp, just it's hard for him

536
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 7: to make a roster like this.

537
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: It's just too deep.

538
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: That's fair.

539
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 8: Do you have any PTSD from the Ridgeway And obviously

540
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 8: Ridgeway wasn't lost in the initial cutdowns in waivers, but

541
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 8: when they played the waivers game as the beginning of

542
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 8: the season rolled along, then the commander swooped in and

543
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 8: got Ridgeway. Do you think there'd be any kind of

544
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 8: flashback there as far as risking Isaiah laying and saying, hey,

545
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 8: well if we put them on waivers, we might lose

546
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 8: him to a division rivle.

547
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 7: Here's my question for you. I'll answer that question. With

548
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 7: a question, do you feel like right now, f Ridgeway,

549
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 7: we're here, that he would be among the top two

550
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 7: or three? Would he be right on the bubble again.

551
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: He'll be in the bubble again here we go.

552
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 7: So you didn't really lose anything, like you're so deep

553
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 7: at the position. Yeah, you basically replaced him with other

554
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 7: guys that were comfortable, So it's not like you lost anything.

555
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 7: It's not like you lost the guy that has turned

556
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 7: out to be an easy you know, he is your

557
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 7: plug in starting defensive tackle. He's not better than Osu right, agreed,

558
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 7: He's not better than than Hankins. He's not going to

559
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 7: be better than Mazi. So all those things considered, like,

560
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 7: he still is going to be a guy that would

561
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 7: be down there that you'd we'd be talking about him

562
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 7: today as a potential bubble guy.

563
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 8: I look at a player like Junior for Hoko, and

564
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 8: they're not going to move on from their rookie fourth

565
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 8: round pick. But I would have loved to see more

566
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 8: from Junior for Hoko and camp. And I know that

567
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 8: he was battling the shoulder injury that slowed a lot

568
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 8: of his progress this camp, but I just would have

569
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 8: liked to see what he can do more so to

570
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 8: this point, which makes the conversation easier for me as

571
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 8: far as the Isaiah land because and I'm not saying

572
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 8: it's Lamb versus for Hoko, but in the grand scheme,

573
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 8: if you're looking at the macro of trying to figure

574
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 8: out the roster, I would have just loved to see

575
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 8: more from for Hoko. But I mean, he'll be on

576
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 8: this roster.

577
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 7: But that's the thing, Like, that's the hard part of this.

578
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 7: You say, for Hoko is going to be on this roster.

579
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 7: Defensive end might be the deepest position on the actual team.

580
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 7: Like Nick was talking about this yesterday on another show.

581
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 7: I heard him talking about it. He was like, when

582
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 7: you start thinking about this defensive end position, you get

583
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 7: second team, you even get to the third group of guys,

584
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 7: and for some teams that would be their first group

585
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 7: of guys as pass rushers. I don't know where Fooko

586
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 7: fits on this team. When you start just thinking about

587
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 7: the raw numbers there are probably right now, there are

588
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 7: probably six defensive ends that you would say are better

589
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 7: than for Hoko.

590
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: Are you going to carry a seventh?

591
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 8: Contrarily, are you willing to cut or wave your rookie fourth.

592
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. It all makes sense.

593
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 7: In a normal in a normal situation, you'd be like,

594
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 7: absolutely not, I'm not letting go of my fourth round pick.

595
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 7: But okay, So if you're not gonna let go of

596
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 7: your fourth round pick, which of those guys that we

597
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 7: just that that that we could throw out there at

598
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 7: defensive end?

599
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: Are you?

600
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: Are you willing to let go to keep.

601
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: Your fourth round pick? That's the discussion, right.

602
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 7: All those guys can play right and their experienced players.

603
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: So who are gonna let go?

604
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: Mm?

605
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: Drrence? You gonna let Drans go?

606
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: Hell? No, okay, I didn't want to let Dorance go

607
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: last year.

608
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna let Fouler go? No, you bought You're gonna

609
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: let Sam go.

610
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 9: That's my point. But that's my point.

611
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 7: That is the difficulty of this cut right now is

612
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 7: is you're gonna have some good players and some players

613
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 7: that you really want for your future that you're gonna

614
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 7: actually they're gonna actually have to be having discussions about

615
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 7: letting some of these guys go.

616
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 8: It also depends on how you how you file Michael Parsons. Now,

617
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 8: in reality, we know he's an Edgers.

618
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're saying. In reality, you think

619
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 2: of him as if you could think of him.

620
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 8: But if you mind him as a linebacker, now you're

621
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 8: plus one on linebacker, which gives you the vacancy on

622
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 8: the defensive end. So that's how I think, that's how

623
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 8: you ultimately get justified junior for Hoko and not having

624
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 8: to cut your.

625
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: They can play mind games with themselves.

626
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 9: He's more.

627
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: We'll linebacker.

628
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 7: We'll call him a linebacker just for the purposes of

629
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 7: making our roster making.

630
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: There you go, it's magic.

631
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 7: All right, let's move on. I'll throw out another name

632
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 7: for you guys. This one's another interesting one, another polarizing one,

633
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 7: probably as much as as Kelvin Joseph Josh Baul mhmm.

634
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 9: Hold on, I'm looking at all the guys. Uh we

635
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 9: got on here.

636
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 10: Okay again, back to the question, how many are we keeping?

637
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: We don't.

638
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: We don't have those numbers. We don't have those By

639
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: the way, that's the show.

640
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 9: That's the show.

641
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: That's the show that we will do.

642
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 7: Uh maybe Friday or next Tuesday is we will actually

643
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 7: cut this roster down. But right now we're just having

644
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 7: the discussion of where he fits, like how has he performed.

645
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 7: What's your evaluation of him, because my opinion is he's

646
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 7: been very similar to Kelvin Joseph, a guy that coming

647
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 7: off last year you didn't really think necessarily had it.

648
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: They moved him to.

649
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 7: Guard moments, but he's been I will say this the

650
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 7: preseason game, this last preseason game, I thought he played

651
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 7: as well as I've ever seen him play. I think

652
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 7: there towards the end of training camp I saw him

653
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 7: play maybe as well as I've ever seen him play.

654
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 7: So going back to your point, Patrick, timing is everything.

655
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 7: He's starting to kind of make some headway, and.

656
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: This is a new position for him.

657
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 7: None of us, I think I can say this with

658
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 7: some pretty good confidence. I don't think any of us

659
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Speaker 7: expected that Josh Ball would actually be a player at

660
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Speaker 7: guard when we heard they were moving to guard, when

661
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 7: we are like, he's too tall, that's not gonna work.

662
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Speaker 7: But I will say here, over the last couple of weeks,

663
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 7: we have started to see some signs that maybe he's

664
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 7: getting better at it.

665
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Speaker 10: Yes, to me, again, I feel like he's had certain

666
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 10: moments where he's flashed and you can see a slight

667
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 10: curve of him getting better. But I'm gonna cheat on this.

668
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go based on this roster depth chart that

669
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 10: Cowboys pr I mean, he's listed right behind Zach Martin. Hey,

670
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 10: I'm saying we don't go really based on all this,

671
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 10: But hey, according to Peter, I'm cheating because I don't

672
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 10: have an answer for you right now. I feel that honestly,

673
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 10: the fact that you're gonna have to keep so many guys,

674
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 10: I think he makes it and he's gonna be here.

675
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: Just because you don't have a lot of the options.

676
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 10: Is that what you're saying, Yes, I think you need

677
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 10: the bodies. I think he will make the roster because

678
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 10: of that, unless there was some kind of move that

679
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 10: happens and the Cowboys go out and acquire somebody else

680
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 10: to help on the O line. Otherwise I don't see

681
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 10: him not being on the team.

682
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 8: I do agree that the Cowboys need the bodies, and

683
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 8: that's why they get a sixteen man practice squad. And

684
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 8: I am not of the opinion that if you wave

685
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 8: Josh ball he's going to get scooped up by another team.

686
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 8: He's still very much development developing in his new role.

687
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: Timing is everything.

688
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 8: Yes, he's starting to come on strong, but his coming

689
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 8: on strong for me is just enough to show the

690
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 8: Cowboys they need to continue to develop him there.

691
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: But I think it's from.

692
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 8: A practice squad capacity because if you look at if

693
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 8: you carry ten, even if you carry eleven, all right,

694
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 8: you know who you're starting five is. But when you

695
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 8: go to the second level, Austin Richards, he's that rookie.

696
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 8: He's starting to come on now. Brock Hoffman, he had

697
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 8: a rough game in Pass Pro, but for the most part,

698
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 8: very strong camp Matt FARNIACI has potential to swing, and

699
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 8: he has potential as a backup center behind Linstrom.

700
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 7: Don't forget TJ.

701
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 6: Bass.

702
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 8: I'm getting there. Sorry, That's exactly my point. As I

703
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 8: go down the list.

704
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: TJ.

705
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 8: Bass not necessarily the best practice guy, but boy, he

706
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 8: is an absolute gamer. So the question that you would

707
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 8: then't have to ask yourself whether you're carrying ten or

708
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 8: eleven offensive linemen, do you want Josh Ball or do

709
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 8: you want TJ Bass on the fifty three mans roster.

710
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 8: I think that's where it comes down. It's versus farniac

711
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 8: versus Ball, and in that equation it's Bass and farnioc

712
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 8: I give the nod too, and I get Josh Ball

713
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 8: back on the practice squad to protect against injury to

714
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 8: either of those players. I think that's how the Josh

715
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 8: Ball equation should be played out.

716
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 7: Fact of the matter is, I'm not certain. I know

717
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 7: we've given a lot of we've given them a hard

718
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 7: time quite a bit. I'm talking about Ball, but I'm

719
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 7: not certain that. I'm not certain that Ball is a

720
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 7: guy you could put out there that somebody wouldn't pick up, because.

721
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: I know how tough.

722
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 7: Right now, the Cowboys are not the only team in

723
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 7: the NFL that are looking for offensive linemen. Offensive linemen

724
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 7: are hard to come by this time of the year,

725
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 7: and I think there's probably some teams that have There

726
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 7: are certainly some teams that have lesser fortunes on the

727
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 7: offensive line than the Dallas Cowboys, and from that standpoint,

728
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 7: I think they're probably intrigued to some degree by the

729
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 7: same things that the Cowboys are intrigued by his traits,

730
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 7: because his traits tell you, man, this guy ought to

731
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 7: be able to play in the NFL. There's some team

732
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 7: out there that I think would probably be a little

733
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 7: bit intrigued and has the room to say, yeah, we

734
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 7: could definitely make him fit here because he's he's still

735
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 7: gonna be better than what we got.

736
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 8: Okay, So I'll say this one, love you, but don't

737
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 8: agree in the event that we're you're.

738
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: Not supposed to.

739
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: In the event that were.

740
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 8: To happen, I'm going to flip. This is putting your

741
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 8: energy right back on to you in the event that

742
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 8: were to happen. Is he irreplaceable?

743
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 7: No?

744
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: It having the Ridgeway conversation right.

745
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 8: So thirty one other teams is going to let go

746
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 8: of back up left guards who probably that's their base

747
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 8: position and maybe could step in and be a more

748
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 8: of an immediate impact as a backup guy than Josh

749
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 8: Ball in his development state. So I say all of

750
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 8: that to say, I believe the Cowboys like what they're

751
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 8: seeing as of late. I believe Josh Baul is a

752
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 8: strong practice squad candidate. I feel like he's risk worth risking.

753
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 8: He's worth risking to Waivers as a way to avoid

754
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 8: risking a guy like TJ ask the waivers, Matt Foarniac

755
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 8: the waivers and try to get him back on the

756
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 8: practice squad. And if you happen to lose Josh Ball

757
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 8: to Waivers, somebody's going to fall onto the waiver wire

758
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 8: that or into free agency outright that you can bring

759
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 8: in and still add to the practice squad.

760
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 7: Well, here's how I would look at that. Though that

761
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 7: sounds good for us, I don't know if I don't

762
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 7: know if the guys. I don't know if the guys

763
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 7: upstairs necessarily see it that way. And what I mean

764
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 7: by that is they invested a fourth round pick in

765
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 7: this guy, and the way they look at him, they

766
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 7: may say, hey, we really really believe that his traits

767
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 7: suggests he's going to be a really good player, not

768
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 7: just a guy we can just throw in as a number.

769
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: We think he can be a really good player. He

770
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: needs development.

771
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 7: So those kind of guys you look at and you're like, yeah,

772
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 7: I don't know if I necessarily want to lose him.

773
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: You're right.

774
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 7: For right now, I could bring in somebody that's probably comparable.

775
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 7: But a year from now, am I looking at a

776
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 7: Josh Ball who they may say his traits suggests A

777
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 7: year from now he's a guy that's one of the

778
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 7: better guards in the NFL.

779
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: Right, So that's where I.

780
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 7: Don't know what their assessment is of him to where

781
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 7: they're willing to let him go or not.

782
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 8: So we're talking because you mentioned draft pick status. Yeah,

783
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 8: aren't we passed the expiration date on Met Milk?

784
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 3: Yeah we are.

785
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 7: That's fine, that's fine, But that's also where once again,

786
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 7: that's also where it goes back to and I said

787
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 7: this when we're talking about Calvin Joseph as well, that's

788
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 7: that's our assessment.

789
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: That's not their assessment.

790
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 7: Necessarily, their assessment has to include we're based on what

791
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 7: we're seeing and based on what we thought of him

792
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 7: coming out of out of college. Where is he in

793
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 7: that trajectory and do we still see that runway where

794
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 7: he can grow If we think he's still ascending, are

795
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 7: we giving up too soon on him? Like Ridgeway, I

796
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 7: don't know, Ridgeway. I'm looking at and saying he's still ascending.

797
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 7: I think he is a good player and he's going

798
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 7: to be a good solid though. Yeah it did, it

799
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 7: did not like but that that is a I don't

800
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 7: I don't know that. I look at him, and they

801
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 7: may look at Josh Ball and say we think he's

802
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 7: going to be an ascending player. We're not willing to

803
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 7: let him go for what's comparable right now because what

804
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 7: he will be a year from now will be much

805
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 7: more than that. Again, I'm not saying that's my assessment.

806
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 7: I'm saying that could be could be their assessment.

807
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 9: Do you go deeper a gar or tackle?

808
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: Well, you know what complicates that conversation is.

809
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith because Tyler Smith can swing out to tackle.

810
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 8: Answer both conflicts. Yeah, answer is keep the guys who

811
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 8: can flecks the versatility. That's where versatility really comes into play.

812
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 8: That's the answer to the question. The answer is yes,

813
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 8: you go deep, at deep, retguard and at tackles.

814
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 10: Let's say, backup guys that do have those kinds of

815
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 10: that kind of versatility.

816
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Speaker 7: Well, hell, real quick, we're going to take our final

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Speaker 7: break close to the end of the show. We'll take

818
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Speaker 7: that final break. When we come back, we'll answer that question.

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Speaker 10: visit Dallas Cowboys dot com slash training Camp.

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Speaker 7: Welcome back to the final segment of the break by

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Speaker 7: from SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we literally have

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Speaker 7: about three minutes, so we don't have much time here.

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Speaker 7: I did promise, I did promise at the beginning of

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Speaker 7: the show that we would have a conversation about Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 7: and I know we were in that other conversation, but

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Speaker 7: I think we got at least addressed that before the

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Speaker 7: show is done. Jonathan Taylor, for those that don't know,

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Speaker 7: he's running back for the Indianapolis Colts. He is a

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Speaker 7: player that has been a little disgruntled, and the report

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Speaker 7: is that he now has gotten permission from the Colts

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Speaker 7: to seek a trade. And so, obviously, as is the

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Speaker 7: case with any player in the NFL, as soon as

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Speaker 7: he's able to seek a trade, the Dallas Cowboys become

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Speaker 7: a part of the conversation because fans love to put

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Speaker 7: them in the conversation and media loves to talk about it,

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Speaker 7: and so we're going to talk about it and just

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Speaker 7: give you our thoughts. Now, the question was asked to

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Speaker 7: Jerry Jones yesterday. Here was his response. He said, We'll

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Speaker 7: look at every opportunity, but the way our young backs

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Speaker 7: are playing, I am very comfortable where we are with

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Speaker 7: our backs right now. I feel good about our running

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Speaker 7: back position if we didn't add anyone. Now, before we

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Speaker 7: get into the conversation, what I want to say real

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Speaker 7: quickly is everything that said after that that starts now.

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Speaker 7: These are our opinions. These are not the opinions of

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Speaker 7: the Dallas Cowboys. They are not the opinions of Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 7: They are our opinions of what we think the Cowboys

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Speaker 7: should do as media people. All Right, now that we've

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Speaker 7: gotten that out there, what are your thoughts on Jonathan

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Speaker 7: Taylor and specifically the possibilities of the Cowboys may be

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Speaker 7: making a move.

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Speaker 9: I'll make it asked.

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Speaker 10: I will not partake in this conversation because it doesn't

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Speaker 10: make any sense to me. You just said it in

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Speaker 10: the quote that Jerry said, and I have the same

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Speaker 10: opinion with the way that these young running backs have

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Speaker 10: been performing and playing. I just don't see any reason

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Speaker 10: to add somebody else. You still have Tony Poller, who

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Speaker 10: you gave the franchise tag to and I just don't

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Speaker 10: see where he would fit.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 10: You can post a conversation of him being a talented

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Speaker 10: player and the type of firepower that he can bring.

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Speaker 10: But at the same time, I don't think you're necessarily

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Speaker 10: missing there are other positions that I would rather make

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Speaker 10: a trade for than the running back.

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Speaker 8: I'm out on that. I'm out on Jonathan Taylor, and

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Speaker 8: not because of the skill set. Jonathan Taylor is in

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Speaker 8: an absolute minuce. But and yes, and arguably he's better

929
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Speaker 8: than as much as I love Tony Poller than Rico,

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Speaker 8: o'dowdell and Duceval coming in. And yes, Jonathan Taylor is

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Speaker 8: more proven and better. That being said, is he so

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Speaker 8: much better? It is so much far ahead of this

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Speaker 8: current group that you would give up premium picks plural

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Speaker 8: for the right to bring him in and give him

935
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Speaker 8: a chunk of Micah's and CD Lambs's money. Keeping in

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Speaker 8: mind that de Marcus Lawrence is also coming due during

937
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Speaker 8: Armstrong is coming due. Yes, Terrence Steell, Terrence Steele, you

938
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Speaker 8: still have to get the deal do on Terror Steel,

939
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Speaker 8: Scott Dak Prescott is coming. A lot of contracts coms,

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Speaker 8: so a lot of contracts coming up, and for those

941
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Speaker 8: that are fantasizing and you know, getting romantic about Jonathan Taylor,

942
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Speaker 8: keep the numbers game in your conversation as well, because

943
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Speaker 8: it's not fantasy football where you just drop the guy

944
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Speaker 8: in and you start racking up points. You have to

945
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Speaker 8: pay this guy. The reason he's disgruntled with the Coats

946
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Speaker 8: is because the way the RB market is shaped shaping out,

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Speaker 8: and then that led to his you know, the team

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Speaker 8: owner and Indy making comments.

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Speaker 3: He wants to get paid.

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Speaker 8: The Cowboys are not in a position where they should

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Speaker 8: do that given everything they need to get done contractually.

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Speaker 8: So from a player standpoint, he's a great guy and

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Speaker 8: I hope he winds up in a great spot that

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Speaker 8: is not in the NFC East. But as hard as

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys are concerned, it's a hard noe for me.

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Speaker 7: And you know that's the hard part for Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 7: I think is that I think he wants more money,

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Speaker 7: and I think, as is the case for a lot

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Speaker 7: of the great running backs in the NFL that are

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Speaker 7: really great right now, they're looking at the market and

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Speaker 7: how the market is shake me out, and they're realizing

962
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Speaker 7: that there isn't the big money out there for running backs,

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Speaker 7: and that's where I think the draw that the hang

964
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Speaker 7: up is going to be and impossibly getting traded. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: teams may be willing to give the picks to get

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Speaker 7: the talent of Jonathan Taylor, I'm not sure they'd be

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Speaker 7: willing to give him that new deal. And if he's

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Speaker 7: not willing to get that, and if they're not willing

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Speaker 7: to give him that new deal, is he really getting

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Speaker 7: any a better situation going somewhere else than where he

971
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Speaker 7: is right now.

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Speaker 3: With the Colts.

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Speaker 7: And that's not to pay for that is just but

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Speaker 7: you know, that's the hard part. And I just I

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Speaker 7: believe that this is a market situation. The market is

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Speaker 7: just saying I don't have to pay that higher price

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Speaker 7: for running back, and it sucks for running backs.

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Speaker 2: But that's the market.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know how you change that unless you

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Speaker 7: start getting less running backs to where it drives the

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Speaker 7: price back up. I talked about this earlier in camp.

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Speaker 7: This is basic economics, guys. You know your demand will

983
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Speaker 7: affect your price, right, And so unless they're that number

984
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Speaker 7: of good running backs shrinks down quite a bit to

985
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Speaker 7: where teams are like they're aren't enough of them to

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Speaker 7: go around, as is the case with quarterback, as is

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Speaker 7: the case with left tackles, as is the case with cornerbacks,

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Speaker 7: as is the case with pass rushers. Like all those

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Speaker 7: positions where it's not enough to go around or you

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Speaker 7: can always have more, those those numbers keep going up.

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Speaker 7: There are just a lot of really good running backs,

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Speaker 7: and what teams are figuring out is even running backs

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Speaker 7: that may not be as great as some of the

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Speaker 7: other as some of the better players, you can still

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Speaker 7: make things happen. You can still go win a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 7: as the Kansas City Chiefs did with a guy that's

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Speaker 7: a six round pick. And so it's just you don't

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Speaker 7: necessarily have to spend the big money. And because of that,

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Speaker 7: that's just where the market is. So I don't know

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Speaker 7: that this is going to help Jonathan Taylor move into

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Speaker 7: another team. So know, if there's another team that's going

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Speaker 7: to be willing to give him that new deal.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's more interesting if Cowboys fans hear

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Speaker 8: what Jerry said. It's more interesting first and foremost, Tony

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Speaker 8: Rico deuce let him cook. Let's right, But it's more

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Speaker 8: interesting that Jerry said. You know, don't count us out

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Speaker 8: of the waiver wire when it comes to RB talent.

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Speaker 8: So the Cowboys might be on the lookout for RB

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Speaker 8: talent that falls from the other thirty one teams. That's

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Speaker 8: the more intriguing thing to see because that tells me

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Speaker 8: that they still want to see more from Elite Davis.

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Speaker 8: You know, he'll have a chance against the Raiders. Like,

1013
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Speaker 8: where do they view Elite Davis in the capacity of

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Speaker 8: your team owner just stood up there and said, Hey,

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Speaker 8: we're not out on probably bringing in the guy from

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Speaker 8: a waiver wire next week.

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Speaker 2: That would make me nervous.

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Speaker 7: It's nervous if I were Ronald Jones.

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Speaker 8: Very would him at the top of the show. So,

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Speaker 8: Malie Davis, Ronald Jones, what does that put them? But

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Speaker 8: that's the actual conversation. Jonathan Taylor, for as great as

1022
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Speaker 8: he is, it just it doesn't make sense for Dallas.

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Speaker 7: All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We're back

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Speaker 7: on Friday. Actually, these guys will be back on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 7: Amber will host on Friday, and actually I think Nick's

1027
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Speaker 7: gonna join you guys. Yeah, so so you guys have

1028
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Speaker 7: a great show. I will be Yeah, I have Daddy

1029
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 7: taking my daughter.

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Speaker 8: To college, and I'll be out of state because my

1031
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Speaker 8: daughter turns eleven.

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Speaker 10: Daughters, girls enjoy.

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Speaker 7: No, it's gonna be a lot of crying, but we'll

1034
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Speaker 7: get through it.

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Speaker 2: We'll get through it all right. Appreciate you guys, Jones.

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Speaker 2: We will be back. They'll be back on Friday.

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Speaker 7: We'll be back next Tuesday, and we'll get Tuesday and

1038
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Speaker 7: Thursday wrapped up. The Cowboys will make their cuts and

1039
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Speaker 7: then guess what we will be.

1040
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Speaker 2: Into the season. It will be week one of the season.

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Speaker 7: We'll be back to our daily schedule every day Monday

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Speaker 7: through Friday. Uh, starting that in two weeks from now,

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Speaker 7: so check that out until then for Amber Garcia, Patrick Walker,

1044
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Speaker 7: and Derek Eagles. And this has been The Break live

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Speaker 7: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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