1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. 4 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, I'm in S. Williams played fourteen years 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. I'm actually seated at the 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: table with some outstanding people. I'm starting with Zach Crockett Seminole, 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: who was having some seminal problems based on how they're 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: doing this year, and and also with Kendrick not to 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: be uh confused with Lamar Gholston as well as I 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: believe it's not Chadwick James Chadwick right, and um glad 11 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: to be with these guys, Pennington and we're just sitting 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: at the table. We want you guys, whoever is listening 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: to really just just allowed us to be a conversation 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: about fatherhood, about the league, about just manhood and our 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: experiences in the league and transition it because those are 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: the topics that we believe are pertinent to players and 17 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: and and the first thing I want to put out 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: there is we believe that players can transition successfully and 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: a part part of it has to do with a 20 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: positive mental attitude. So let's do it. Let's dive right in, 21 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Let's start off with a name 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: like Chadwick Man tell us about fathering. What what in 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: the world is that? Like, oh, all Ands, I tell 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: you it's um, it's such an amazing experience. Number one. 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: You know, we can all remember our first child and 26 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: how it just puts everything into perspective, right and any 27 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: time before that the things used to get mad over 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: or concerned about, it just doesn't matter when that first 29 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: child comes around. But you know, the one thing I 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: always remember my dad telling me about fatherhood was the 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: greatest thing and greatest gift you can ever give your 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: kids as yourself, and so I always try to keep 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: that at the forefront of my mind. Um, it's not 34 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: the materials, it's not anything like that. It's you. And 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: if you ever think about it, when your kids are 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: around you, they can have all the toys in the world, 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: but they want to be right up underneath your feet, 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: you know, and being able to experience you. It's I 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: always try to keep that at forefront of my mind. Well, 40 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: I know from you and I talking Chaid that you 41 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: you coach your kids right right, what was that, like, 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: I know when I coach and I'll get to you 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: guys in a second here. When I coached my son, 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I felt what my parents felt 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: that I had never thought about. What was What was 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: that like coaching your own child? It's uh, it's a 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: delicate balance, it really is, uh, because you expect them 48 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: to perform or to do things a certain way. Uh. 49 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: You want to be tough on them, but at the 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: same time, you don't want to be uh, you know, 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: too tough to where you're treating them differently than their teammates. 52 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes you make them an example, sometimes you don't. I 53 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: think probably the biggest thing for me what I've learned 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: as long as I communicate with my sons and let 55 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: them know why I may be doing something in practice 56 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: or why I may use them as an example, then 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: they're comfortable with that, and then they feel Okay, why 58 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: don't we say? Well? Also, how many how many children? 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: Three boys? Real quick? What the ages thirteen, eleven and eight? Okay, 60 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: so I got three girls and a boy. They started 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen freshman juniors in college. The girls sons of 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: sophomore and I have a baby girl seventh grade. What 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: about use that I have six six? Yeah, I started over. 64 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: I started with four girls and I want I want 65 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: a boy. So you know I have a twenty seven 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: ye know that went to Florida State as well. Then 67 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: I have a fourteen year old that's here, I have 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: a twelve year old, nine year old daughter. Didn't have 69 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: five year old twin boys? So four girls and two 70 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: and two boys. Right, yes, I have to act eighteen 71 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: and fifteen. My daughter she's a freshman, she runs track 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: and Virginia Tech. And my sons fifteen sophomore in high school. Now, 73 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: before I ask you a questions, got about farther? I 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: got this little theory, Chad, you you are anomally when 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: it comes down to players, because it seems like my 76 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: little crack survey that I've done informal as it were, 77 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: I found that NFL players have an in art amount 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: of girls. Now, why don't you help us all out? 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: And I'll get to you in the second King direct, 80 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: help us out when it comes down to us, these 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: manly guys, we're involved in football most of our lives 82 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: raising girls. Right, what is that like? Well? You know what? Right? 83 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: You see? I think the most important, the most important thing, 84 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: especially being you know reason four girls to start off with, 85 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: especially my oldest, just being honest and because you're rather 86 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: them here everything about life from you than hear from 87 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: a stranger. And the more honest you are, the more 88 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, just direct you are, especially with with with 89 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: your daughters, your girls, female period, they're they're open to 90 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: we just want to hear just honest with someone's gonna 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: tell them true. Someone's gonna be direct with them that 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: they can lean on because they can hear stories from 93 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: falseness out there from anybody. But if you lead them 94 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: down the right path, they're gonna always come back, especially 95 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: come back to Dad and stuff. And that's the bun 96 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna always share with them, and they're gonna constantly 97 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: lean on you, whether they're gonna lead the strail or whatever. 98 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: You know, you may have your fallouts and everything with 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: your with your daughter and stuff, because once they hit thirteen, 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a fall out here there, but they're 101 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: gonna always lean back on Dad because you know you 102 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: always was honest with them, You spoke the truth, you 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: didn't pull any punches. You can. Yeah, you're you're your 104 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: friend every now and then, but I'm dad, you know, 105 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: and I'm never gonna say here and let you lead 106 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: your straight. So they're gonna always come back to the 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: middle when you with with that point that because you 108 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: know your dad, that's that's where the heart is. They're 109 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: always looking at you when you think they're not looking 110 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: at you, because you're that light for him. This this 111 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: is what I want, either the date to marry or whatever. 112 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: They're always looking at you, and I'm looking for the 113 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: other person to be like you, and you for a 114 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: good father. You know, that's the kind of person you 115 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: as a dad. That's the kind of person you want 116 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: to be example. You want to set for your for 117 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: your daughters. But it's honestly is the best policy with 118 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: that you So come on with Kendrick. I know my 119 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: wife told me a long time ago. Man, my daughter 120 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: was very little. She was like, depending on how you 121 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: treat her, that's how she expect to get treated. Any man. 122 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: She's gonna see your face even without her realizing it. 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: Any man she dates plans to marry and so for 124 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: song And I was like, okay, that's that's a lot 125 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: of pressure because she's the oldest and coming out and 126 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, being professional football players. We thrive on a 127 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: motion a lot. So especially with myself, you know, that's 128 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: my running fuel any time I have it. So with her, 129 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: I always try to be guarded on what I say. 130 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: I always have to be not calculated, but I have 131 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: to sit back and think, like, all right, she did 132 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: something wrong. How shout approaches because my son he hinges 133 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: on every word. If I said, hey, Josh, you shouldn't 134 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: have done that, don't he don't take a person He's like, 135 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: all right, I don't want to disappoint dad. They make 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: sure I get it right. My daughter will analyze it. 137 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: What does he really mean when I you know, a 138 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: lot of times as men were speaking generalities, you know, 139 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: like even if it comes off emotionally, and so I 140 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: always remember my wife saying that, and so with her 141 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: getting older, I will always sit down and explain to 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: her like this is why I'm saying this to you, 143 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: and this is what I mean by this, And like 144 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: you said, honestly is even with her being eighteen years ago, 145 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: just coming out talking to her about sex, talking to 146 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: her about you know, you don't need guys to tell 147 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: you I love you to feel your worth. You don't 148 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: need that part thinking about well, when I dated girls 149 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: in high school? What was I trying to really get 150 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: out there and just having it is it feels weird 151 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: having that conversation with your daughter years old, but especially 152 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: um standing on faith everything I believe and say, you 153 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: know what, I'd rather you hear this from me and 154 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: you'd be ill, Dad, then you hear from some other 155 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: joker and you'd be like, oh, Johnny. You know. So 156 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: coming in up with those conversations and said, look, you 157 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: come talk to me about whatever. You know, UM hoping 158 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: that you really don't come talk to you. Hope you 159 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: go talk to mom. But I'm gonna be there and 160 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: let you hear from a man's perspective. That grows you 161 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: up as as a father because it it's the most 162 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: beautiful but most scary thing when you have that child, 163 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: especially now like when you kind of moting this woman. 164 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: We all want to board the mode because like, he 165 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: go play football, he's gonna do these things. But as 166 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: a young woman understanding being in locker room with so 167 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: many different characters, you know, like some guys your teammate 168 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, hope she never marries that 169 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: type of dude. You know what you know, like you 170 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: said that somebody you're thinking about, Remember Uncle Danny, that 171 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: daddy used to play there, don't go that way. So 172 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's something that Um, it's a very 173 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: great honor to have, especially as they get older and 174 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: you see how she forms and you see how she thinks, 175 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and you see what she goes out there, um, and 176 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: then you finally let her out into the world, hoping 177 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: all those things that you put in a righteous I 178 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: think about raising my children. Man, Oh man, I don't know. 179 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: I can get a little emotion with this one, because yeah, 180 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: when you think about sports, man, it's measurable. We know 181 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: when the balls movies, right, we know when he lost yardage, 182 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: we know the feelings. But when it comes down this 183 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: parenting thing, it's like what's the scorecards? We're big on, man, 184 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: how do I know? Right? And Man, when I think 185 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: about my girls. So I had the oldest Soneil which 186 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: is my name spelled backwards, and she was three years 187 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: she was she was young, and she had John does 188 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: so she she would cry a lot. Right. So so 189 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: Tracy and my wife and I and I said, man, 190 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: and my parents, we grow with great parents. And I'll 191 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: talk about that later. I want to come back in 192 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: terms of a little later, how your parents impacted you, 193 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: and you think both father and mother, and and so 194 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: I heard of this class called Growing Kids God's Way. 195 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: It was like eighteen week class at somebody's house, like 196 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: four to five minutes away in the middle of the season. 197 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: And people told us is a pretty good class. So 198 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: we go to this class. We go to the first week. Guys, 199 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, Chad Kendrick is Zack the first The first 200 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: three weeks, all they talked about was the importance of 201 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: the husband wife relationship. So when we finally got to 202 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: the third week, I'm like, man, when are you gonna 203 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: talk to us about parenting? Man, I'm here for parenting. 204 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: And then they begin to say that they begin to 205 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: share the keys of the children have in eight sense 206 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: of the husband wife relationship, and they begin to be 207 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: able to connect behavioral challenges, academic challenges to the husband 208 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: wife relationship. I said, wow. I'm like, man, it's crazy, right, 209 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, man, tell me about parenting. How do I 210 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: get her to stop crying? That's what I'm here for, right, 211 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: But man, they begin to say, they said bed wedding. 212 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: I said, bad, Well, kind of we're bed with hecu 213 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: I used to be a bed water. And they said, well, 214 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: what typically happens children have in a sense of the 215 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: degree of the of the security of the husband wife relationship. 216 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: And so what they said was, they said, uh, they said, well, 217 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: when you come home, what the parents mostly do if 218 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: they work right, they both they come home, they initially 219 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: kiss each other and then somebody go play with the 220 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: kids and maybe mom are dead cooking. However that the 221 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: roles are. And they said, the children rarely see during 222 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: that waking hours parents together. And they said they have 223 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: an inn eight since of the husband white relationships. So 224 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: they said, so, what's what happens when the child wakes 225 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: up in the middle night, comes to the bedroom. What 226 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: happens when the child with parents come together, when they 227 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of night, go to the 228 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: parents bedroom. Guess where the parents are together? Right? When 229 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: they bet where what their parents did? They come together, 230 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: solve a problem and they start understand when it came 231 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: down Now the girls, they says, okay, a lot of 232 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: times your girls or your boys, particularly girls are gonna 233 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: look for somebody similar to what they see. So just 234 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: just things like that just got me because I'm being alone. 235 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: I want to understand things I've certainly not done it perfectly. 236 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: And probably one of the greatest attributes that I learned 237 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: as a as a believer, but also as a player 238 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: as a cornerback. You know, you guys noticed, man, it 239 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: is the ability to get over a bad play. Right. 240 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: That's so key, man, right, think about that. And it's 241 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: even in parenting. Man, sometimes I just blow it. Man. 242 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, I have this thing with the girls when 243 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: I trained them and my boys, I said, my goal 244 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: is to teach you to train in such a way 245 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: where you can be coached by anyone. How many guys 246 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: you know that just didn't do well because they didn't 247 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: know how to manage the coaching or the personality of 248 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: the coach. Right, So can you guys talk about that 249 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: a little just in terms of that tension that seems 250 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: to always be there because you you are parents, and yeah, 251 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: we took the class and all of that, but this 252 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: is still real life. Now, what's that tension? Like? Man, 253 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: did I that I said right? That I did I 254 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: coaching right in this instant? You know? How did how 255 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: did how did I do that? Talk about that a 256 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: little bit with girls? You you seem to walk on 257 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: egg shells a lot because you know, they're very emotional, 258 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: and with four girls, each one of them are different, 259 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: so each one has to be treated differently. You got 260 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: to kind of what with gloves on each one, So 261 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: you got to kind of figure them out, and whereas 262 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: one may be a little bit tougher than another one, 263 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more sensitive. So you got to 264 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: kind of narrate the navigate the conversation with them and 265 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: just just kind of just fill them out because a 266 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: lot of times we're traveling so much, especially playing sports 267 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: and everything, we're never home sometimes with the sports were 268 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: gone for three months or back and forth, or if 269 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: the kids are with you, you know, we're the one 270 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: that's usually on schedule here and they're on their schedules, 271 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: so we come home, we're kind of breaking their schedule 272 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: and everything, and we're trying to get back in their world. 273 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: So you're trying to get on the same page with them. 274 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: So you've got to kind of, especially as a father, 275 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: you kind of kind of let them see what, Hey, 276 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: you know what, let's have a conversation. Let's try to 277 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: figure out what's going on in school, find out what's 278 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: going in their life, what's going in their world. So 279 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: instead of being about you a lot trying to figure 280 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: out them, let's talk to them. And once we get 281 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: on the page with them, and it may be talk 282 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: to a third grader, you may be talking to a 283 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: high schooler, but you gotta kind of talk down, try 284 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: to find out what's going on their everyday life. And 285 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: so that showing them that you care about just the 286 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: little small things, whether it's just putting finger the apology on. 287 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: She may not even like that color because the other 288 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: girls something may be popular that that that time of 289 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: the year. So you've got to kind of get into 290 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: the conversations what's going in their life at that point. 291 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: Because with my girls right now, the one is on 292 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: I phone there snapchatt and talking over here wherever the 293 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: fad going over here. Then the fourteen year old is 294 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: totally different and she's into all the different space stuff. 295 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: So I'm all over the place right now and nine 296 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: nine year she's an actor, she's talking different language, you 297 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: know what she thinks. She you know, she's British one 298 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: day and you know I'm you know, I'm trying to 299 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: be an active how I'm different. My personality is changed 300 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: each one of them in the the house. And but the 301 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: thing about it, you know, to the outside world you 302 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: may be a superstar, but to them, you just that 303 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: at that point. I think that's I think that's the 304 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: key part a lot of times, specially playing in the league, 305 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: that we kind of forget because my career was a situation. 306 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm moving every other year, and you know, we're always 307 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: thinking like, okay, if I just get over the hume. 308 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: The best thing I can do for y'all is to 309 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: do well, make this money, put us in a situation 310 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: where you're good. But honestly, it's kind of selfish because 311 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: when I moved from team to team, I made no 312 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: chat because he knew somebody I played with, so we click. 313 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: In a month, I go to the next thing. Well, 314 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm my buddies from Pumping O Beat, so I kind 315 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: of know that so I can get them well. While 316 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: my wife she consistently gotta make new friends my kids consistently. 317 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: I go to new schools, but that's not the primary 318 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: of our thoughts. So old I know with me, when 319 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: I stopped playing, and I'm like this four or five 320 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: years whatever, we're out. Yeah, I'm married, these are my kids, 321 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: but I realized I don't really have a relationship with them. 322 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm missing the game what I did because I'm closer 323 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: with them, and so it really took me to the 324 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: point like I gotta kind of get back in a 325 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: better relationship, like you said, because with my wife. So 326 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: my kids can see this, because it was cool because 327 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: my son was younger when I played, so he didn't 328 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: know as much. But my daughter was old enough to 329 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: know what I was kind of doing, and I would 330 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: just notice anything. She didn't not want to be around me, 331 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: but anything comes up to automatically go to mommy. Took 332 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: me years to kind of rebuild that, and I was like, 333 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: I gotta know her even even though she's young. What 334 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: is she like? What's cool with her? You know, taking 335 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: her to father daughter dances, taken to the store, you know, 336 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: just doing stuff that I never really was able to 337 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: do when I played, and realize that let me figure 338 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: out who you are. I always looked at it from 339 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: the standpoint on always for me of that God as 340 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: a personal god. He wants to know us personally. He's 341 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: not someone that sits, you know, five billion millars away. 342 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: He knows us personally. How does he I said, the 343 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: best way to understand him. I understand him as a father, 344 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: So how does he father? That helped me how do 345 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: I father my kids? And it was difficult because you know, 346 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: I had to get in that spot. I had to 347 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: learn my wife as an individual, learn my son as 348 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: an individual, learn my daughter as an individual before we 349 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: could be grouped as a family. And so it was 350 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: that me and my wife always had the thing that 351 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, if if I was I made a point 352 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: at time to kiss her in front of them. You know, 353 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: if we were mad at each other, we made the point, 354 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: let's take this to the bedroom. You know, this has 355 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: shut out and there because they always watching me. And 356 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: now let my kids are older, I see how my 357 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: son treat other women. I see how he looks at us. 358 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: I see how my daughter looks at us when we're 359 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, sitting on the couch together, and how she 360 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: just looks, you know, kind of hold her head to 361 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: the side, you know, because that's the type of relationship 362 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: I want. I probably name more things I've done wrong 363 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: than I've done right. But you know, in the in 364 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: the end time, I feel like it's all about relationship. 365 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: Can I pick it back off of that? You know, 366 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: growing up me and my brother. My brother played in 367 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: the league a long time as well, but growing up 368 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: in a single family home, just my mom raised us. 369 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: I never got my dad. He was around, but wasn't around. 370 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: He was a big educator, but I never got it there. 371 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: And I heard you say about you know you you 372 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: make it a point here that you you know your son, 373 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: your daughter, so you kiss your wife and everything like that. 374 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: There see the relationship that you guys have, so they 375 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: can you know, emulated in their lives would come growing up, 376 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: but I never got to see that. You know, I 377 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: never saw my mom, you know, with my dad in 378 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: that life, so I never understood what marriage or relationships were. 379 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: So I had nothing to go off of. And then 380 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: I was a young father, you know, at seventeen and 381 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: eighteen years old and going through she she was raped 382 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: pretty much like my little bit and me going through 383 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: college everything show, so she saw everything. So my thing 384 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: I would try to find, especially my first year few 385 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: years in the NFL, I found guys that were I 386 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: saw as had their wife, good fathers that I was 387 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: clinging to an indie and stuff, and then just like, hey, 388 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: you know what, I want to get married to show 389 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: my wife, you know, show my daughter you know how 390 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: to be you know, a dad, and that in that 391 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: light right there, see me with my wife, and so 392 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: she can continue to see me in a positive light. 393 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: So I always kind of hooked my wagon to somebody 394 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: that was positive so I can show my daughter how 395 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: to be a role model. So when she looked for 396 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: a smiuse or significant somebody she's dating, She's like, well, 397 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I want to be just like my 398 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: dad or whatever. You know this how you should are 399 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: you so just how I need to be treated. I 400 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: didn't even I never saw my dad. I never thought 401 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: my dad kissed my mom. I really want to help 402 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: our our players, our our brother and the legends develop 403 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: what I call a positive mental attitude, meaning you don't 404 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: have to necessarily duplicate people, but find out and and 405 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 1: be okay with what you've been handed. You know, I 406 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: was talking to someone who runs a company that they 407 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: had to move, they had to make a major move, 408 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: and and when they had to make a major move, 409 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: the parents brought all the kids in and talked about 410 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: this move. So I'm thinking about you, Kendrick or me. 411 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: When I got traded to the Rams, right from being 412 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: ten years in Arizona, my old my oldest tree, all 413 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: born in Arizona. We're at a meeting, so he brought 414 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: them in even though they may not understand that they 415 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: may not really they're not the sole players and relates 416 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: to this move still at a young age, teaching them 417 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: as a family how you make a move, and to 418 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: whoever's listening now, to those players to have those conversations 419 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: bring even if those those children are young, would be 420 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: surprised because when I talked to uh, the particular person 421 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: had to make this move. When I talked to now 422 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: the grown kids, they now glowingly go back to what 423 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: they remember from that experience, that the parents, even while young, 424 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: would bring them in and allow them. Actually they got 425 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: the vote. They got to vote on the move when 426 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: they're older. Now, now when my oldest daughter who's a 427 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: junior college and my freshman who's a freshman, when they 428 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: talk to each other and they get closer, they said, man, 429 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: we didn't know how good we had it at home. 430 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: That's the blessing, right, because you don't know you send 431 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: them out. Talk about that chair. The point I wanted 432 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: you to talk about real quick is how do you 433 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: manage your ray these boys and make sure they have 434 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: a healthy honor respect for mom. Well, I think I 435 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: think one of the biggest challenge for us his parents 436 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: is to make sure we're not parenting out of embarrassment 437 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: and parenting from a discipline standpoint. So when we're trying 438 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: to parent, because we were always we can be embarrassed 439 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: really easily from our kids. And if we're parent from embarrassment, 440 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: we're going to parent from a state of emotion. It's 441 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: not gonna be productive. The other part I want to 442 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: ask while we're there is and also because Zack, you 443 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: mentioned what you didn't see that also the challenges don't 444 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: parent from the negative experience you had as a child, 445 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: because that's another thing. I just want to not not 446 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: parenting from embarrassment, and then also having to make a 447 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: personal decision that I'm not going to be your friend, 448 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to be your parents. I'm not going to 449 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: be your friend, I'm going to be your parents. Now 450 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: and now understanding, well, there's there's constant situation. Okay, let's 451 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: talk about cell phones, right, and and so with my 452 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: thirteen year old, he didn't receive his cell phone until 453 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: he turned thirteen, and he was struggling with this because 454 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: he was seeing his friends get cell phones at nine 455 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: and teen years old and he just could not understand. 456 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: And the other day I heard a great quote from 457 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, Austin Currents, who played eleven 458 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: years in the major leagues, and his dad used to 459 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: tell him, Son, you can see to the end of 460 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: the street, but I can see around the corner. And 461 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: I never heard of put that way from Son, you 462 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: can see to the end of the street, but I 463 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: can see around the corner. And that takes me back 464 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: to it. As I was trying to talk with cole 465 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: My when he told me that, I was like, Wow, 466 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: that's that's a big time right um. But he and 467 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: that brings him back to, you know, making a decision 468 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: about the cell phone and and what we're exposing our 469 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: kids to at such an early age. And what I 470 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: had to do was making a decision. Was I going 471 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: to be his friend and give him the cell phone 472 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: because all his friends had a cell phone, or is 473 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: I going to be the parent and see around the 474 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: corner and look at the world that he could be 475 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: exposed to. So what I tried to explain to cole 476 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: I said cole who's your biggest fan? Who do you 477 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: think your biggest fan is. You're like, well that I 478 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: don't I said, I am. I'm your biggest fan. I 479 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: root for you. I don't want anything but the best 480 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: for you. I'm your biggest fan. And so if I'm 481 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: your biggest fan, I've got to ask you to trust me. 482 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: I may have to make some decisions that you may 483 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: not understand. And eleven years old, but at forty I 484 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: can see around that corner. And so if you just 485 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: trust me, knowing that if I'm your biggest fan, I 486 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: want you to have a cell phone at the right time, 487 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: and right now is not the right time, and just 488 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: trust me on this. Just trust me. And I gave 489 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: him a little story about my dad and I uh 490 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: in a similar situation. But and then I would also 491 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: give him stories throughout the year. Maybe there's a big 492 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: text message battle going on at school, you know, and 493 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: then I would I would get the text messages from 494 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: my friends of the of the kids and say, look here, Cole, 495 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: you don't have to deal with this right now. Look 496 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: at this. That's what's going on in school and you 497 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: don't even know about. All you're doing is going to 498 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: school and playing ball. Is that not cool or what? 499 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: You know? Just being honest, communicating um and really make 500 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: an incision that hey, Bud, I'm your parents and I 501 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: want to I love you, but I got to parents, 502 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: and I've got to make sure that that you know 503 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: that I'm leading the way for you. The part that 504 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: I want to really emphasize what you Chad is well, okay, 505 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: there's rules, but I hear the rules. What a relationship 506 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: because sometimes we can just get the rules down, but 507 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: there's no relationships. And giving a cell phone you can 508 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: have a cell phone and thirteen I said, uh, I 509 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: heard a relationship because rules without relationship creates rebellion. So 510 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: thank you for that. I don't think we're gonna get 511 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: to anything else. But this is man. This has been awesome. 512 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: Man it right, this has been awesome. Man. I mean, 513 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: give me the quote one more time. Quote one more time, 514 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: man Son. You can see at the end of the street, 515 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: but I can see around the corner. And as we close, 516 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm already thinking about that I'm using but as we 517 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: as we as we close, we that's what we want 518 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: to do. Guys. You know, for legends, it's not we 519 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: who are older, it's not that we're much smart and 520 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: younger people, just we've seen things more of and we've 521 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: had the emotional investment of the experience all of us 522 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: of transitioning. And I want anyone that's listening to this, 523 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: any legend as listening to this podcast, to know you're 524 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: not only capable of doing it, but you're going to 525 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: do it. And we're not sitting from having a conversation 526 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: where we have all the answers. But what we do 527 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: have is a brotherhood with similar experiences that come from 528 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: similar backgrounds. When it comes down to all have played 529 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: in this one full game of cal NFL football. That 530 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: just kind of just want to say one thing to 531 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the men and brothers 532 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: that's in this fraternity, that who may not be married, 533 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 1: who have kids, who don't have similar backgrounds as us, 534 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: who are sitting here talking about this, that it still 535 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: can go right. It's never too late to get it correct, 536 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: and you still can do that relationship. You know who 537 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: may be a strange from the mother their childs, but 538 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: still trying to figure it out, especially after they've done playing. 539 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: Because I'm sure in some instance we know those guys 540 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: that it's kind of what you said earlier, like, hey, 541 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: I didn't do everything right, but I was always taught 542 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: it's how you finish, not how you start. I mean 543 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: how I mean, what better relationship. We can all relate 544 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: that to every game start out slowing the first quarter, 545 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: but we finished strong, we win. Every coach and every 546 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: level teaches that. I think it's just such a true 547 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: statement for life, especial when you're dealing and being with 548 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: the dad, so that any any players listening to his 549 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: understanding that if you are the father but not with 550 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: the mother, you know that child doesn't have to suffer. 551 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: If that's if that's a strong relationship that you're trying 552 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: to be. Thank you Kendrick, what great words to close 553 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: this out with great wisdom those listen to the podcast, 554 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm wanna tell you the best is yet to come. 555 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, Zack Kendrick, Thank you Chadwick. I love you guys. 556 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: Thank you. This has been the NFL Legends podcast. To 557 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: provide feedback or request the topic for discussion, email us 558 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: at NFL Legends at nfl dot com.