1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast. The Patriots Training 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Camp Cast is your source for all the news from 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Patriots Training Camp. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: Well, I do still watch the news. 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Practice is over, but the writers of Patriots dot com 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: have you covered? 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 3: What did I miss yesterday? 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Now here to review today's practice? The writers of Patriots 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: dot Com. 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: All right, welcome into our second episode of the Patriots 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 4: Training Campcast for twenty twenty four. Evan Lazar, Paul Parello, Mike. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 4: You so just got off the field for the second 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 4: practice and guys, not as much fireworks today. There weren't 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 4: any big plays, not a lot, you know, not a 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 4: lot to really hang your hat on today, especially get 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 4: excited about on the offensive side of the ball. A 17 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 4: little bit of a blah practice, I would call it. 18 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, I'm trying not to overreact to these initial practices. 19 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: We're not they're not in pads or really not even 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: in shells or helmets and T shirts and shorts right now. 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: So you don't want to sound any alarms about the offense. 22 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: But some of the things that we were concerned about 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: coming into the season on paper are showing up a 24 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: little bit in this practice today where there isn't a 25 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: ton going on down the field, and a lot of 26 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: the downfield throws are contested. You know, Jalen Polk down 27 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: the sideline with Marcus Jones all over him, or Hunter 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: Henry Jabriel Peppers broke up a pass for him a 29 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: similar type of route down the sideline, and those types 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: of plays are just not hitting at a high rate 31 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: right now. And it's a lot of contested fifty to 32 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: fifty type balls, and you just would have liked to 33 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: have seen a little bit more of what we saw 34 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: from Jalen Rigor yesterday, which was just running wide open 35 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: behind the defense. But it's a good defense and you're 36 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: not necessarily going to see that all the time against 37 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: the Patriots starters. But overall, a clunky day for the offense. 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's anything that we didn't already 39 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: know about where they're at. 40 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would agree. Overall, there weren't a 41 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 3: lot of flash plays, and the ones that the feud 42 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: that did happen were on the defensive side of the ball, 43 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: and the ones that Evan mentioned were the ones that 44 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: stood out to me. I do think there was some indications, 45 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 3: at least that there were some other guys getting involved. 46 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: Taekwon Thornton. I didn't really notice at all on opening day. 47 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: He cut a handful of passes today from both Jacoby 48 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: Brissett and Drake May. We should probably add that Brissette 49 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: again took the lead reps and then you know, Drake 50 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 3: May followed little slight twist after that. Joe Milton went 51 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: before Bailey Zappi. All four took reps, but I thought 52 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: it was interesting that Milton went third in Zappi fourth today, 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: but I would agree with that overall assessment. More of 54 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: a defensive day today, yeah. 55 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: A little bit. 56 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: I mean, yesterday we saw Joe Milton get a little 57 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: I mean, not a lot of action, but got some 58 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: like mop up reps, almost completed a couple passes thrown 59 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: in time looked okay, seeing almost like hey, let's give 60 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 4: him a little bit more of a shot today. I 61 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 4: want to talk too, though, about Jacoby Brissette, because while 62 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 4: it wasn't outstanding, I think we all agree that there 63 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: were some moments where Jacoby Brissett just looked like he 64 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 4: was running the offense the way he need to be run, 65 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: hitting the back foot, getting the ball out. That's what 66 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: That's why he's here right, so he can run the 67 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: offense on time. 68 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about it that his timing and 69 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: just approach to the offense in general, he's a pro. 70 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: I mean, he's made forty eight starts in the NFL, 71 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: so it's gonna be a little bit better in those 72 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: regards to Drake May, and that might be enough at 73 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: least initially for him to hold on to the starting 74 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: job going into the season. But the one thing that 75 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: I consistently feel what Jakobe p said is that there's 76 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: this not a whole lot of playmaking or dynamic element 77 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 2: down the field from him, whereas with Drake May, even 78 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: though it might be not as perfect in terms of 79 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: the timing and all that, which I'm sure the coaches 80 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: probably see even more than we do, you have that 81 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: threat of on any given drop back you could have 82 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: a fifty yard bomb in there somewhere. I don't necessarily 83 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: feel that way with Jacob PRIs said, but as politics 84 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: to say, there was a lot a couple plays there 85 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: today where it looked like a play in a game. 86 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: You know that, Okay, you know three step drop balls 87 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: out hit the back of the foot. Everybody runs their 88 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: routes properly and we have a play right, and that 89 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: happens maybe a little bit more assignment with Jakob PRIs 90 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: said at this point, no, I totally understand what you're saying. 91 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: Though. 92 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: It looks like it happened on a Sunday and we 93 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: had a few of those today. 94 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a couple of bookkeeping things. Antonio Gibson looks 95 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: like he was taking off of NFI and Girodmeo said 96 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: yesterday that it wouldn't be a long term thing expecting 97 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: him back. He didn't have his helmet with him. He 98 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: didn't really take part in the practice, but he was 99 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: in uniform out there did some lower rehab field work. 100 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: So he's you know, obviously back on the field and 101 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: closer to getting back full strength. That's a good sign 102 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: on the flip side. Devon Godshaw, we didn't see him 103 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 3: for about the first hour of practice at all. He 104 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: came out later, No, helmet, didn't really do a whole lot. 105 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: Now there's a report, I think mass Live tweeted out 106 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: that Christian Barmore might be dealing with an illness and 107 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: he was limited. He didn't really do much in the 108 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: full eleven on eleven work, but I don't know, maybe 109 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 3: Godshaw's dealing with something along those lines too, or maybe 110 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: it's just an indication of the contract stuff that and 111 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: it's ugly head. 112 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, we did hear from Jude On yesterday who kind 113 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: of expressed, you know, he'd like a new deal. Clearly 114 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: looks like it's heading down that road with gotchall Maybe 115 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: he's going to do what Judon did last year, the 116 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: hold in. It's the new InVogue thing to do. 117 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Ye. 118 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: My biggest question guys is just how does this all 119 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: resolve itself. We don't want this hanging over the team's 120 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: head as we go into the season, especially Paul. With 121 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 4: Judon who you know, I mean, he's a valuable player. 122 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 4: He is, he's going to be thirty two in a 123 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: few weeks, but he's got some juice and he just 124 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 4: he's the pass rusher that they need off the edge. 125 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do think it's important, you know, because 126 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: this is a new regime. You want to get off 127 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: to a you know, a good start and really at 128 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: least put your best foot forward, have the best personnel 129 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: that you can out there. So I wouldn't advocate trading 130 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 3: him now, Like if you were going to deal him 131 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: I would have said, you know, get it done. You know, 132 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: earlier in the offseason where you had a chance to 133 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: sort of make a plan to replace him. Now I 134 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: would I would go into the season. Maybe, you know, 135 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: if he's playing well, he's sort of a leader on 136 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: that front seven and you can get going that way, 137 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: and if you're not having the success as a team 138 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: that you hope, then maybe you can revisit any any 139 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: kind of trade possibilities you mentioned. He spoke yesterday, he said, 140 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't he's not asking for a trade. 141 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: He doesn't want to be traded, but the contract is 142 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 3: definitely an issue. 143 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 4: I mean, I just want to highlight a couple of guys. 144 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: You know, it stood out a little bit today. Started 145 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: with Jahem Bel rookie seventh round pick, guy that I 146 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: know you were high on, had him on your big board, 147 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 4: but we saw him start to get a little bit 148 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 4: involved today. Paul mentioned Marcus Jones earlier kind of active 149 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: as in the slot, a guy that we kind of 150 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: an unknown commodity. We know he's a returner. You know, 151 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: he's been injured. We haven't seen a lot of him. 152 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: And also Taekwon Thornton, who we mentioned you know, just 153 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 4: a little bit more active. What did you see from 154 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: most of you guys? 155 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, just started with Marcus Jones two days in a 156 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: row now, where he's been the top slot corner nickel 157 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: corner with the Patriots defense, and for right now, on paper, 158 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: it would seem like he would be the inside track 159 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: or have the inside track to being that top nickel 160 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: corner and when they go through true corners, you know, 161 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: not talking about big nickel or getting the safeties involved 162 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. He's definitely the guy in man coverage. 163 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 2: I feel the most confident about inside other than obviously 164 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: John Jones, but you think he can play more on 165 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: the outside still. So I've been encouraged what I've seen 166 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: from Marcus Jones. Got a couple hands on a couple 167 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: passes over the last few days as well, so he's 168 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: had good coverage. We'll see if he can keep it up. 169 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: And to your point about Taekwon Thorton, it's just we 170 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: do we quit it or do we not? You know, 171 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: like you just every day he pulls you back in 172 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: and he has one of these types of days. Now, 173 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: it was a lot of underneath stuff. It wasn't anything 174 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: down the field, We're not that four two eight was 175 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: not on full display necessarily, but he did lead the 176 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: team with four catches and team drills here today, so 177 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: there's certainly something that taekwon Thornton. Every couple of days 178 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: we'll have one of these types of practices that make 179 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: you believe. Again, I'm not sure I'm totally there, but 180 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: we're getting there then, just quickly. But jahe Bell would 181 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: stood out with to me with him was how much 182 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: they were moving him around, and that was something that 183 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: he did a lot in college. And if he can 184 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: learn the playbook to a point where he's able to 185 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: run routes from various alignments, then that will help him 186 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: get on the roster. 187 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 188 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: Pull anybody else that caught your eye today just in 189 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: terms of I mean, I know it was there's not 190 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: a lot of big plays, but. 191 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: No, there weren't. And you know, I'm sort of watching 192 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: that secondary to see the different you know, combinations and 193 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: what I've seen most of if you guys have seen different, 194 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: correct me. I've seen Gonzales and Jones with Marcus Jones 195 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: in the slot in some of alex Austin, but not 196 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: as much as we saw in the spring. So I 197 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: wonder if like it's just it's Jonathan Jones and it's 198 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 3: it's Christian Gonzales and then you know, everybody else's. 199 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 2: Marks of the World. 200 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I thought there was a chance that maybe, 201 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: you know, with the amount that we saw Austin in 202 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: the spring, that they maybe had designs of him being 203 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: on the outside and Jonathan Jones being in the slot. 204 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: So far, only two days, I haven't really seen that. 205 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well only two days. But hey, we 206 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: got what do we have? Eleven more practices to go. 207 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: We're just getting started here. There's obviously things moving, dude. Yeah, 208 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: the trains moving, and we're expecting pads to be Monday. 209 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: So we're gonna have practices on Friday, practices on Sunday, 210 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: and then we'll get to hopefully a little bit ramp 211 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 4: things up a little bit. 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