1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah, beaute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the community. 4 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: There we go Software dot Com on time on Target. 5 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm very excited because originally Scott McEwen is here. Originally 6 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: we're just gonna do this on Skype, and then you said, hey, 7 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: I'm still in towns and Fox News and all this, 8 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: and it's always a pleasure and honor to have Scott 9 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: and studio. The new book is Camp Valor, and as 10 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: we were just talking before, you came in number forty 11 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: overall on Amazon, number one in its category. That's huge. 12 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, you know, I really appreciate it, and 13 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: it's good to see you. Good see Jack. You can 14 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: see everything. It has been a while, you know. I 15 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: was thinking back and uh, the old studio, the old place, 16 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, where we used to do this and I 17 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: could I could say it now where we were not 18 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be using curious accent of studio, we did 19 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: and the last time Jack wasn't here, but you were 20 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: here with Ryan Zinky. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean 21 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: I love that leading too, and that's pretty professional. Yeah, 22 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: well that's my friend John Burns amazing guitar players. That's 23 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: really good, really good. So, I mean, cracking the top 24 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: one on Amazon is a huge deal. It is and 25 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: totally unexpected. Really, I mean, a first in the series, 26 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: you don't expect to you know, to hit hard, you know, 27 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: right off the bat. It takes a while for readers 28 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: to generally, you know, pick up on on the characters, 29 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: on the book, on the series, on whatever else. So 30 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm ecstatic and I'm blown away. 31 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: You said that the book came out a week ago, 32 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: so you know, it sounds like it gained a little 33 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: bit of traction over the last week. It did. People 34 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: started to connect with it. It was pushing number ones 35 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: in teens, number ones and you know, Spy for teens, 36 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but it really wasn't pushing up 37 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: into the normal you know, books out of three million, 38 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: and now it's forty out of three million. That's a 39 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: pretty crazy you know. I mean, there's over three million 40 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: copies of books different books on Amazon, you know, so 41 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: that's that's that's a pretty crazy statistic for me. But 42 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm happy, I mean, I'm really happy because the message 43 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: is strong, and I think people are now resonating with 44 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: the message of the book, and the message is strong. Yeah, 45 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: you want to talk about what this book is about? 46 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: Is it um? What's the comparison? Is it like more 47 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: like Enders Game or more like the Hunger Games? I 48 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: would say it's more like, you know, you know what, 49 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: somebody in Hollywood just told me Um recently, because we've 50 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: we've had some serious negotiations, you know, and and somebody 51 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: actually optioned it. But I can't really discuss who or what. 52 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: But bottom line is one of the description was was 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: what Kingsman is to to James Bond. Camp Valor is too, 54 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: is to the whole Um series, you know, is to 55 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: an American series, if you will, similar to that. You know. 56 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: So it's like, this is a situation where kids become 57 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: members of a group called Camp Valor, which is a 58 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: training camp for teens that go into the CIA, and 59 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: basically you opts for the CIA in kind of a 60 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: twenty two Jump Street kind of idea where you've got 61 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: to infiltrate terrorist organizations. You've got to infiltrate bad guy organizations, 62 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: but you need younger kids to do it. And this 63 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: when these kids are trained up after they've been in trouble. 64 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: It's for delinquents, but they get to have their record. 65 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: It is when they get to have the record completely clean, 66 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: if they do three months at Camp Valor and do 67 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: the mission for the CIA. It's interesting you say that 68 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: because I had this conversation with someone many years ago now, 69 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: and I think they were just spitballing a little bit, 70 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: but they had this idea for like special ops high school, 71 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: like why don't we take kids when they were like 72 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: twelve and start training them in like martial arts and 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: foreign language, um, like start that, start the pipeline, if 74 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: you will, earlier on, and they'll have that much of 75 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: a head start if they decided to go into military 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: service or governmental service. Well you know. And it's funny 77 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of kids that came from 78 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: the country where we come from the outdoors whatever else, 79 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: before they ever got into special operations groups like yourself 80 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: or seals or they were already out there. They were 81 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: already doing those things. And that's why, for example, I 82 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: actually talked to Rob about this. You know, Rob O'Neil 83 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: um is the reason why the a lot of these 84 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: guys from the seal teams, especially make it through buds 85 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: is because they're from colder parts of this country. They're 86 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: from there, from the interior of the country, from Alaska, 87 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: from Michigan, from Minnesota, from places like this, because they're 88 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: used to getting cold. They're used to and when they 89 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: get deep freezed, which they try to do obviously in 90 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: buds or whatever, these tough training camps. Not just buds. 91 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, same thing with any of 92 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: your any of your your army delta, any of that, 93 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: not even delta, working your way up, all your breys, 94 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: everything else. You're pushed the limit. And that's what they 95 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: want to do, is they want to push you to 96 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: the limit as far as they can. And a lot 97 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: of those kids have been pushed there before. A lot 98 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: of them been lost overnight, a lot of them that 99 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: had spent the night out of doors, you know, and 100 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: been and dark and the wild or whatever else and 101 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: have to make it back. I have to build a fire, 102 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: have to do these things. And I think that the 103 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: percentage of kids that come from that type of background 104 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: is high in our special Operations Forces. I really believe 105 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: that that's true. I mean, I'm not saying there isn't 106 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: people from the city that do it too and can 107 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: make it, but I don't think there's used to it. Yeah, 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: it's just kind of hard to see. Like somebody who 109 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: grew up, say in New York City their entire life, 110 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: I think they and then suddenly like thrown out in 111 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: the woods doing land navigation, Right, that's got to be 112 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: a shot or not eating, not eating for three days, 113 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: and you better find something to eat, you know, you 114 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta kill something, you gotta eat it, you know. 115 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: And that's kind of we don't go quite that far 116 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: in camp Velor, but we go almost that far where 117 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: you've got to survive and and and and it's it's 118 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: situation where the kids are put into this camp and 119 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: they're taught basically a special operations skill set, jumping out 120 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: of planes, all the fun things that boys like to 121 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: think of doing, you know, shooting guns, fishing, hunting, doing swimming, 122 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: doing the things you gotta do. And this is really 123 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: what camp Velor is all about. And it's kind of 124 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: an alternative to your Call of Duty video game or 125 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: something of that nature, where they're actually reading a book 126 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: and it's kind of patriotic message. I mean, I don't 127 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: I'm unabashed about the fact that these kids are defending 128 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: the United States. Uh. I mean, I don't know how 129 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: much I believe in sort of the scared straight approach. 130 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: But the other hand, there's definitely something to be said 131 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 1: for uh teaching these sorts of skills to young people, 132 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: not not because we want them to go into combat 133 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but just because it builds that 134 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: like inner self confidence in them, Like I know how 135 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: to make a fire, I know how to land navigate, 136 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: I know how to survive, And you have that sort 137 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: of inner you know, belief in yourself well. And and 138 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: the thing is too is and we were just talking 139 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: about this before the show. Um, the Left has really 140 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: made being a young man almost this term of toxic masculinity. 141 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean, like it's a bad thing for boys to 142 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: want to, you know, be heroes. It's a bad thing 143 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: for boys to want to be to excel in you know, 144 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: physical activity. It's a bad thing to do this. You 145 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: know that this is just telling you, like on Facebook 146 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: for Great Club, which is you know, like the main 147 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: part of this business. We're no longer allowed to show 148 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: knives and guns on edge. You know that that that's 149 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: like so indicative of what males are into, and it's 150 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: always been into and it's like nothing is okay that 151 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: appeals to that male audience. And and you know, the 152 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: funny thing is is they're trying to make it so 153 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: that it it is termed by society as a bad thing. 154 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: And that's exactly where they're turning the screw on our 155 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: young our youth is because they're they're they're they're bringing 156 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: that message to youth. And you look at why A books, 157 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: and you look at what's in that field, you know, 158 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: Diary of a Wimpy Kid or you name it. Basically, 159 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: it's all left oriented, it really is. And this was 160 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: kind of an answer. I didn't make this particularly right. 161 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: I just made it right down the middle. I just 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: made it like something about this country, something about being 163 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: a young man, something about being independent, something about having 164 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: a skill set, you know. And I really like Rob's 165 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: blurb on this book, because you know, Rob O'Neil, because 166 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: Rob said, you know, look, this is not bad thing 167 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: to have the skill set. It's not a bad thing 168 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: to to understand this as a young age, whether you're 169 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: a boy or a girl. And I have a daughter, 170 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's really important to teach the 171 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: same sorts of skills to your daughters as well. I 172 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: was saying on the show earlier today, my daughter can 173 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: now shoot me. She can't. Yeah, it's a fact, you know, 174 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: but with both the pistol and a rifle, which is 175 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: pretty crazy. But she's good, you know. I Sometimes I 176 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: have to wonder, like what the left thinks, Like what's 177 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: in their mind when they have this idea that they 178 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: want to pull down essentially, like the male identity, like 179 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: they want to tear that down. They think, after that 180 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: is our men just gonna be these guys who walk 181 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: around wearing loafers without socks on. I mean, who do 182 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: they think we're gonna be? I struggle with that. I mean, 183 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: you're you're gonna have entire generations of males who are 184 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: lost exactly. That's not good for society, it's not good 185 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: for women, it's not good for anybody well. And I 186 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: think that in the in the mind of the left, 187 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: that any type of masculinity, any type of standing up 188 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: for that type of rights, is bad. And I don't 189 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: know why they just believe that. They believe that, you know, 190 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: it's not okay to be boys and girls. There has 191 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: to be well, what are they talking about now, seventy 192 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: different genders? I mean, I saw this thing the other 193 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: day and my son showed it to my son. She said, Dad, 194 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: look at this and this this person was on there 195 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: saying that there's seventy two different genders, And I said, 196 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: what I mean? It infused me. And and the thing is, 197 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: nobody in America understands what the hell that is, even 198 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: even if you're LGBT. I mean, you don't understand what 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: that huge acronym means. I mean, unless you you're getting 200 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: a PhD in gender studies. The entire country is confused 201 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: as hell about like very basic stuff that should be 202 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: very basic and simple. And I'm not denying and look 203 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not one of these people that's denying 204 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: the gays the right to do do whatever they want. 205 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: I don't care, you know what I mean, Like, if 206 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: you want to be gay, if that's your preference, that's 207 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: your preference. But that's not a gender. That's not a gender. 208 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: They mean. The bottom line is, I don't care what 209 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: you say. Anatomically that is not a gender. Just because 210 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: you say this to that that's a preference. I understand that. 211 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: That's what you choose to do. But that doesn't mean 212 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: that that that you know, the chemistry of your body 213 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: has changed as a result of your preference. I disagree 214 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: with that thought. Yeah, I got into this so much. Yeah, well, 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean it comes a point where you're just asked 216 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: to believe something that isn't true. I don't. I don't 217 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: care if someone wants to live there, Like if a 218 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: man wants to live his life as a woman and 219 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: be known as a woman, fine, have had this is America, 220 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: go for it. But I mean you're gonna tell me 221 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: that biologically you're now a woman, that the brain, chemistry, 222 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: the chemical makeup of your body is I don't. I 223 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: don't understand. No, I don't either. I don't either, which 224 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: brings up a funny story that I heard one time 225 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: about your partner. My partner, Yeah, your partner, he wasn't 226 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: involved in this. But but Brandon, there's a place we 227 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: shoot in San Diego County, And uh, I think Jack 228 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: is weird about by you calling Brandon's partner business part 229 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: business parts. We're not here to judge. Okay, our beards 230 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: stick to together, your business partner, excuse me anyway. So anyway, 231 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: so I get this call up at the shooting range 232 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, that Brandon. He said, did he 233 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: ever tell you about that time because we were talking 234 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: about Brandon, because Brandon could introduce me to this guy said, ever, 235 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about that time that his buddy the seal 236 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: came up here to shoot. And uh, and I'm not 237 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: going to mention the guy's name. Although he's come out 238 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: at the closet and become a become a whatever, he's 239 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: decided to be a woman. Who we know what you're 240 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: talking about, Christen exactly, exactly, So Chris been, he's been 241 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, anyway, so Kristen, Kristen, he said, 242 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: he said somebody called him and said, yeah, seal bud, 243 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: he might wants to go up there and do some 244 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: shooting for some show like a history show or Discovery show. 245 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember what the show was. And the guy, 246 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: the shooting range guy said, ye, man, let him go. 247 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: That's buddy Brandon still go up there and shoot. It's 248 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: probably Lady Vour the CNN documentary. I don't know what 249 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: would Kriston come out in, like high heels popping off 250 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: cast due. Yeah, that's he came up and he was 251 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: up shooting a fully automatic weapon with high heels and 252 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: address on it. And the guy shut up. He's like, 253 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: what is going on here? It's like, you know, because 254 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: he had no idea Christen was what was going on? 255 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: And he's like, he's like Brandon said him still, but 256 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: he start shoot. He said, what do we got going on? 257 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: Like he was freaked out. I was laughing so hard. 258 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: He shouldn't tell me that story, and that was just 259 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: laugh It was actually a documentary. Yeah, yeah, and and 260 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: he true to clip from SOFTWAREPP Radio which I didn't 261 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: know I was your voices and it is, and yes, 262 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: and I was watching it just as you know, I'm 263 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: a fan of anybody who's been on the show, so 264 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: I would say as a fan of you know, Christian 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: or what was Chris Beck's work? And I'm watching the 266 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: documentary at CNN and suddenly I'm like, that's my voice 267 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: and I'm not being critical Christen. In fact, every single 268 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: guy I've known from dev grew from still Team six 269 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: has said great operators, Yeah did his job. Did his job. 270 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Every single guy I've ever talked to said, look, dude, 271 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't care. He did his job. He covered my six. 272 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: He basically when the shot need to be taken. He 273 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: took the shot, so they you know, they've got no 274 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: issue with it, So getg back into the book. I 275 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: was you know, you were saying earlier that you were 276 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: surprised by the response to this because you write several 277 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: books a year. You've written several different series. For those 278 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: who don't know, you were the co author of American 279 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: Sniper with Chris Kyle with Jim D. Folice Um, and 280 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: also the co author more recently of American Um Commander 281 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: American Commander Zink. And this is just one of many 282 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: books that you've written and suddenly there's this like incredible 283 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: response to it. That's pretty cool because I think sometimes 284 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: it's not always about the name on there, about having 285 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: the Ryan Zinkey name. You don't know what's going to 286 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: connect with people. And apparently there was this hunger for 287 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: a novel of this type of young readers because it's 288 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: not out there. I think so. And you know, and 289 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta take a chance. I mean, sometimes you 290 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: just gotta go with your gut and say, you know, 291 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, and you know, and I'm gonna 292 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: and we're gonna write it right down the line. We're 293 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: not gonna try and pander to anybody. We're not going 294 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: to try and make it less, you know, less offensive 295 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: to certain people out there. It's not offensive to anybody 296 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: out there. But the bottom line is the only people 297 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: that takes on really is the Internet and the darknet, 298 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: and you know, and and just saying that it's not 299 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: okay to let your kids sit in front of the 300 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, the computer for eight hours a day to 301 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: play these games or the TV to play these games 302 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: all day. I mean, it's not a good thing. And 303 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: that's really what the book. The ulterior message, if you will, 304 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: in the book is unplug. Let your kids get out 305 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: there and do something. Man, it's okay to have your 306 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: boy run until he starts sweating and until he until 307 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: he's tired, and then he's got to run some more. 308 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: You know, like, you know, it's okay to get out 309 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: there and swim. It's okay to get out there if 310 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: you've got the opportunity and take them shooting, or take 311 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: them fishing, or do the things that you need to 312 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: learn to build a fire to survive, you know. I mean, 313 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: I I think that that's really what this book is about. 314 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the message we wanted to bring. 315 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: And you know what happened was last week they attacked this. 316 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: The left attacked this with a couple of reviews that 317 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: we're done and said, you know, because the book has 318 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: I want to say this, They all that the book 319 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: was too white, you know, too white. And the lead 320 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: character in the book, we don't even say what race 321 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: he is. The there's black kids in the book, but 322 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: the readers there there's an Arab kid in the book. 323 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: There's there's like girls in the book. And the lead 324 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: trainer at Camp Valor is an American Indian, teaching skills 325 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: survival skills at at the camp. You know. So it's 326 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: like they focus in on the fact that that one 327 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: of the characters that that's in the book that he 328 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: saves his dad might be a white guy. But they 329 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: never really say who reviewed the book. You know, I 330 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: don't even want to say because they're probably gonna get 331 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: mad at me. But there's a few reviews out there, 332 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: and if somebody looks at the reviews of Camp Valor, 333 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: they'll see what I'm talking about. The cool thing you 334 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: did show me, Like the New York Posts combated that 335 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: The New new York Post came out on Saturday and said, hey, 336 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: this isn't fair. You know, this isn't fair at all. 337 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: This guy went right down the middle and he didn't 338 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: even do anything on the you know, conservative really in 339 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: this book. He just talked about American values and American 340 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: kids getting out there and doing things and defending the 341 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: kun treat. And it was a great article in the 342 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: Post which really helped. I mean, that's that's huge. I 343 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: mean when that happens. And then a lot of other 344 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: people picked it up after that, and now, can you know, 345 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: kind of we got bright Bart coming in and you know, 346 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be a few other It sounds like 347 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: you uh, you know, as you said, you took a 348 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: chance in doing something a little bit different than your 349 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: previous books. Um, but I think timing wise, you hit 350 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: it quite well because people, uh, social media culture and everything, 351 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: Like I can see it in people when I see 352 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: like people like uh like Hayden and John Brennan on 353 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: Twitter and they're acting like sixteen year old girls. Like 354 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: we have hit like a mass psychosis on a on 355 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: a societal level, like social media is driving people out 356 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: of their minds, people who you would think would be 357 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: pretty rational um, and I have to wonder if with 358 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: America's youth, there isn't the cool new thing that could 359 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: be or the cool new thing to do for kids. Uh, 360 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: in the coming years, it's going to be the unplugged 361 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: to just turn it off. It is and and that's 362 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: that's a skill set that has to be learned. I 363 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: really believe that just like learning how to operate a bike, 364 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 1: ride a bike, or operate operate an M sixteen, or 365 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: do whatever you need to do, you gotta do it 366 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: over and over, and you gotta do a skill set. 367 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: You've gotta basically train yourself to be able to do 368 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: these things in the dark, blindfolded, in a in a 369 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: in a foxhole with a with a battle running around you. 370 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: It's got to be second nature that that's where you go, 371 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: that you go to a different thing rather than go 372 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: to your internet or go to your TV. We gotta 373 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: we gotta teach these behaviors. And I think I think 374 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: we've lost that. I mean, I really think we've lost that, 375 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, and you know it's it's it's a good 376 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: thing to learn. I think it's Uh. And this is 377 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: simply my opinion and what I think is going to happen. 378 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: But I think for young people in America, they're getting 379 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: to the point where it's going to be seen as 380 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: avant garde to go and do things that say, you 381 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: would have done in the Boy Scouts in the nineteen fifties. 382 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: I was an Eagle Scout for a reason, you know, 383 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: like that's what I'd like to do. I did not 384 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: because I liked getting the mayor badgers doing this of that, 385 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: But that was my only way to be able to 386 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: go on ten day hikes in the middle of the wilderness, 387 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, which just backpack, you know, because the guys 388 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: that we were were ex military guys, ex World War 389 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: Two military guys, my dad included. They knew how to survive. 390 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: They could They could take a backpack, some matches, a knife, 391 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: and take off and survive in the wild with a 392 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: little fishing line in the mountains of Oregon for as 393 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: long as they needed to. I mean, it doesn't matter 394 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: if they had to get back at any given time. 395 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: There was a skill set there where you could survive. 396 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I've tried to teach my kids, 397 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: and I wish more Americans would look at that way. 398 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: It's something, Uh, it's something I took out of the 399 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: military personally. I think the experience of going to ranger 400 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: school where you don't have a lot of food and 401 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: you're tired all the time, and everything you have you're 402 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: carrying on your back. And I mean not that ranger school. 403 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't like what was that movie Alive. We wasn't 404 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: like we were cannibalizing each other on a mountaintop in 405 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: the Patagonia Mountain Range. But you had but if you 406 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: had to, but if you had to. But I mean, 407 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: it's just the I think kind of like the life 408 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: us and I took out of that is like I'm 409 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: gonna be okay, Like like even if I'm you know, 410 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: out in the woods and all I have is like 411 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: a poncho liner. I mean, I'm gonna be okay. And 412 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: it just teaches you that you know, in life that 413 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: you can do, you can make it with less. Like 414 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the things that you feel are important 415 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: or things that happen to you or don't happen to you, 416 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: it's not quite as important as we usually make it 417 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: out to be. It's just a matter of priorities, I guess. 418 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: And and and the other thing too, that the Ranger 419 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: School or Seal Team School or Sear School or any 420 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: of these other schools at the military haven put put 421 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: young men through and young women through. I mean, is 422 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: you weren't that old? I mean you were, what eighteen 423 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: nineteen when you went through Ranger School or always nineteen. 424 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean you're, you know, a teenager. I mean, but 425 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: you're you know. But the bottom line is, you know, 426 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: is you teach a mindset that you will overcome. I 427 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: mean you when you're forced to do it and you're 428 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: not gonna quit, you will overcome. And I think that 429 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: that's something that we have lost, too, is a mindset 430 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna get through this, you know. And and 431 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't like to say it, but I think a 432 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: lot of this depression we see in our youth nowadays, 433 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of this drug use that's going on. 434 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these bad things that are 435 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: happening in our society. And let's face it, we're losing 436 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people to suicide, not just out of military, 437 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: but out of in our youth. It's it's the highest 438 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: suicide rate's ever seen. And I think a lot of 439 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: it is because they don't have that mindset that they're 440 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: going to overcome something to fall back on. Yeah, you 441 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: know that that inner self confidence we're talking about, right, 442 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: And I think that's once again, I think that's not 443 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: being taught. It's just not being taught that you know 444 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay, you know, 445 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: And if you have the ability to think through it, 446 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: then you have the ability to work through it. You 447 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 1: have the ability to get it done. And even if 448 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: you don't have the skill set, if you've got the mindset, 449 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: that's your there, you know. And you know, and I 450 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: think that you know, Valor is about that too. It 451 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: really is about you're gonna make it. If you just 452 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: put your head down and keep keep keep swinging, you 453 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: can your way out of it, if you believe you 454 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: can survive. I feel like every guy we've ever had 455 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: on this show, you know, it was a special ops 456 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: or everybody has a very unique story, but all of 457 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: them went through something that was just a giant struggle. 458 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, like when Chris Paranto was on here, he 459 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: talked about thoughts of suicide actually after the whole Ben 460 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: Gazzy thing. And I'm glad that these guys open up 461 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: about that stuff, because I think some people see movies 462 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: about military stuff and also read these memoirs and think 463 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: these guys are untouchable there, you know, that they are 464 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: just these heroes that nothing phases them. And it's like, no, 465 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: we're all just regular people and we all go through 466 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: our own bouts of something and get through it. And 467 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: I like the fact that these guys are writing about 468 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: that in their own books. It lets a regular person 469 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: know who maybe didn't serve or didn't serve to the 470 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: level of someone like you know, all right, if this 471 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: guy got through it, I can too well. And that 472 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: was really the message of American Sniper, you know. I mean, 473 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, one of the most 474 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: important things that I made happen in that book I 475 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: consider a contribution to Chris's story. The biggest contribution I 476 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: did to that story was that I made sure that 477 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: he was willing to tell his how he got through 478 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: his own PTS issues and how he made it through 479 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: because somebody who's got the most confirmed kills in the 480 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: history United States to come out and say that and 481 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: get through it. And unfortunately we lost him for other reasons, 482 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, as we know, but uh, but 483 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: he made it through, and he saw the tunnel, and 484 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: he got through the tunnel. And I thought it was 485 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: important for other people in the military that maybe didn't 486 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: have quite that much of a shoot him up career, 487 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: that you know, operated that truck or saw some really 488 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: bad stuff or whatever else. I like that the movie 489 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: confronted that. I mean, yeah, it's a movie. You know, 490 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: we get it. It's a it's a Hollywood film. But 491 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: I thought that within it there is a lot of 492 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: these like little vignettes that like very true to me. Clint. 493 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: Clint did a great job and he made sure that 494 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: that happened, and I discussed it with him, and you know, unfortunately, Chris, 495 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, it was gone by that point in time 496 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: and him and him and I were both consultants on 497 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: the movie. But you know, I was last man standing 498 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: for the wrong reason. But you know, I made sure 499 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: that that was part of the script because I mean 500 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: I talked about it with Jason before frankly I hired Jason. 501 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the one that made the decision that 502 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: Jason Hall was going to write the script because he 503 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: sat down with me. We sat down for about ten 504 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: hours one day at a at a restaurant and just 505 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: kept drinking nice tea and uh and uh and basically, 506 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, he said, this is what I want to do, 507 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, and he gave me his 508 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: vision and I said, look, as long as we put 509 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: the family story and we put the fact that he 510 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: made it through to the other end, we can bring 511 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: all the war stuff and you want. We can do 512 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: all the shoot him up you want, and that's good, 513 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: and it's going to be sell the movie. But we 514 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: must tell that story because you know that the part 515 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: of the family suffering at home while this guy is 516 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: off fighting wars, the families fighting their own word home 517 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: and the fact that he had to come back and 518 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: deal with his own version of PTS and you know, 519 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: and everything else and get through it. It was important, 520 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: didn't it turn out that all of this stuff about 521 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: his family I was actually in the end, I mean, 522 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: in a lot of is that was what sold the 523 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: film that it was It was something relatable for a 524 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: lot of people, And you know, it was weird because 525 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: obviously women were able to connect with connect with that 526 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: much more. And you know, and that wasn't the reason 527 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: why I wanted to put it in the book, though, 528 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: that wasn't. That wasn't why you know why I had 529 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: teas Tey his story in the background. You know, that 530 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: was always there because she told me. You know, when 531 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: I sat down with te and started interviewing her for 532 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: the book, she told me about the scene where she 533 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: was on the phone with Chris and he was in 534 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: a firefight, and all of a sudden, the phone goes 535 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: dead and she couldn't He wasn't supposed to be on 536 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: a sat phone with her anyway, calling home, you know. 537 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: But we we both know what actually happens, you know. 538 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: So he was just on the phone with her, or 539 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: some firefight breaks out, and then he's just in the 540 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: middle of a full on firestorm for like forty five 541 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: minutes and RPGs going off behind him and you know whatever, 542 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, fully automatic fire for forty five minutes, and 543 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: it just goes dead. And she couldn't call anybody. She 544 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: couldn't call the military to see what happened. She couldn't 545 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: call him. He didn't in three days later, he didn't 546 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: realize the phone was even on. He called, He says, 547 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: how what's up, babe, you know, and it's like, you know, 548 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: I just went to through three days of completely believing 549 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: you were blown up, because the next thing I heard 550 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: was nothing. If I could ask you something that might 551 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: be kind of controversial, and you could answer this however 552 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: you want. Well, the thing is Chris Kyle's legacy, if 553 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: we're being honest here, has become like a big money 554 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: making thing for a lot of people. And there's been 555 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: like there's been a lot of quash between his brand 556 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: that he left his wife, you know, the book itself, 557 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: which you co authored along with Jim. I just want 558 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: to hear your take on that, because I think there's 559 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people who just want to make money 560 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: off of this guy's legacy, and people forget you were 561 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: living with him at the end of his life. Yeah, 562 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: he was more than just a guy who wrote a 563 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: book with a great friend to you. Yeah, that's exactly right. 564 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I you know, the whole commercial 565 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: part of this thing was truly a second thought. It 566 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: was truly a second thought. I just I mean, I 567 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: Chris was a drinking bouty mine. I mean like he literally, 568 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, I got to know him and then he 569 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: would come home and a lot of those scenes of 570 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: that scene that that Clint put in the end of 571 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: the movie where he's calling from the bar, that could 572 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: have been from my house, you know, like any any 573 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: given time, because it's like sometimes it's hard for these 574 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: guys to come home and decompress, particularly you know, when 575 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: they know what they're going to get back into. And 576 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: I think that was very true with Chris. And so 577 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that negatively towards Ted. I'm not saying 578 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: that negatively towards anything. I'm just telling you that's the 579 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: way it was. And you know, and and that that 580 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: was depicted very well, I think by Clint in that 581 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: single scene. But that scene has lived out a lot 582 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: of times. I mean, that scene was just more than 583 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: once and and and I think it was probably indicative 584 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: not only of Chris, but maybe of some other guys too. 585 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: You know, that we're coming back and having to deal 586 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: with it because we've been at war for fifteen years, 587 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: and that I wanted people to realize. Chris's problem with 588 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: this whole thing was not that he was at war. 589 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: He liked it. I mean, I'll tell you right now, 590 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: he liked it. He liked he liked doing what he did. 591 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: He loved being a seal, he loved going to war. 592 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: He loved the whole thing. It was like to him, 593 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: the ultimate adrenaline rush. I mean, it's weird for me 594 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: to say it, but people was the dream job, dude, 595 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: it was. It was a dream job for him. I mean, 596 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: like he that's he That's what he loved to do. 597 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: And you know, and it was hard for him to 598 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: put that gun up, and it was hard for him 599 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: to to leave the Seals, but he knew he had 600 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: to because it was time. And you know, but we 601 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: got a lot of guys that have lived that now 602 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: for fifteen years. I know, guys have been at war 603 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: for sixteen years that are still deploying. I'm sure you 604 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: do too. Sometimes you see, unfortunately, you know, our first 605 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: um time we we come across people, or we we 606 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: meet people, so to speak, is when d O D 607 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: announces their death and you see this guy has been 608 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: deployed fifteen sixteen times. It's like, holy shit. I know, 609 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: I know, it's it's insane, it's insane to think about it, 610 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: but you know, that's that's the real one that you 611 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: want to write, the one that's going to be the 612 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: real war in peace, you know or whatever else. Is 613 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: the one where you write of of the guy that 614 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: has become war. He has become war. And once you 615 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: once you write that one and you it that one, right, 616 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: that's a whole different level of book in my opinion. 617 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, and I know some people that probably it 618 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: could be written about, but they wouldn't all allow it 619 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: to be written. Well, yeah, a lot of guys don't 620 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: open up. The more I mean, well, the more uh 621 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: cynical part of it is a story that you know, 622 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: they tried to tell with Rambo. Does this guy have 623 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: any place in society anymore? Well? And and that's the 624 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: tougher part is for themselves, which which brings me to 625 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: the next thing. And I'm not doing this to advertise 626 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: I want you to read this book. Yeah, I really 627 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: want to. So this is this is that's October. So 628 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: let's put that up on the screen. If you guys 629 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: are watching on YouTube. I know there's more watching on 630 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: or listening on Apple podcast. But that City of Debt 631 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: and this is about a team guy who gets out 632 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: after two deployments in Afghanistan and to to to uh 633 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, basically six years in the seals and uh 634 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: and uh he just wasn't fulfilled, had a lot of 635 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: pts issues, had a couple of girls that were wearing backpacks, 636 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: you know that we're running at his men and things 637 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: of this natures. You know. I won't go into the details, 638 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: but just say he got spun and he admits it. 639 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: He got spun and uh and he had some serious 640 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: PTS issues. And then he goes and joins a group 641 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: called the Free Burmer Rangers and they retake Mosle from Isis. 642 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: And they're humanitarian group that go into Isis with the 643 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: Iraqi military to retake Isis after they controlled that city 644 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: for five years, and they had that city for five years. 645 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: In this place, it's it's like it's something out of 646 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: Mad Max Meets, you know, you know, some kind of 647 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: insane like stuff, because these guys had set that place up, 648 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, like the Japanese did in in in d 649 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: s everywhere, I d S everywhere. Vehicles that have you know, 650 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: inch thick metal plates on them that they're driving, that 651 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: have a thousand pounds of you know of of explosives 652 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: in them. Just the most insane stuff you could imagine. 653 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: They're going into this place and dealing with this and 654 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: the fighting that they did to try and get the 655 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: women and children now and to try and do the 656 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: humanitarian side, because ISIS made a decision when they were 657 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: when the basically the Iraqi military had surrounded the city 658 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: and said we're going to go in, they made a 659 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: decision that any of the women and children that left, 660 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: they left, they'd lose their bomb cover, they'd lose their 661 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: bomb ability to you know, to keep from being bombed 662 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: or or shell or shelled. So any women and children 663 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: were leaving, they executed. And so there was wholesale executions 664 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: of three to five hundred women and children at a time. 665 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: Anybody who tried to leave the city to to you know, 666 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: the ISIS would just flat execute them right there. So 667 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: these guys went in with the Free Burmer Rangers and 668 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: they were doing snatching grabs and getting the women and 669 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: children out of the way. And this is crazier than 670 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: American sniper the stuff these guys. It's out in October, 671 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm talking about taking tanks. I'm talking 672 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: about truly truly rambo kind of stuff with all these 673 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: Spec Cops guys that had joined this Free Burmer Rangers, 674 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: and they were using they killed somebody, take their RPG. 675 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: Get this guy take his a K forty seven whatever 676 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: it was, they take it from the other side and 677 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: and just move, just move, move through. And just a 678 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: really compelling story. I mean, just a really compelling story. 679 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: And by the end, the part of this book that 680 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: I really love and I really love about Fraim is 681 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: his message at the end is he learned from the 682 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: guy who's a Christian that runs this free Burmer Rangers. 683 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: Guy at the group. You know, he is a former 684 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: SF officer. He is, he is, and and create really 685 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: amazing guy. His name is DAVEU. Banks. And I tell 686 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: you I met him, and you would almost think that 687 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: you met Jesus. I mean, I'm serious, such a genuine 688 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: guy and like the real deal. And you'll see in 689 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: this book. And if you look at the footage that 690 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: we've we've noted in this book of actual international photographers 691 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: getting some of this footage, these guys took it to 692 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: the nth degree. And I don't know how they weren't 693 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: all killed. I mean, I really don't know how Efrem 694 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: was shot. He yeah, And and so there was a 695 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: lot of guys in this There was some guys killed 696 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: in this group. But I mean, at the end of 697 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, the book, the message at 698 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: the end, the last four words of the book, give 699 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: up the hate because he's over it. And he believes 700 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: that most of the guys that have PTS issues right 701 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: now is not because of what they saw, not because 702 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: of losing the buddies, but because they can't give up 703 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: the hate. They can't give up the hate for the 704 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: enemy and the hate for what the enemy did to 705 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: the people that they loved. And that's really the message 706 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: in this book is how he got better and how 707 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: he recommends everybody else gets better. And not from a 708 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: like passing judgment type of thing, but he totally recommends 709 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: that you give up the hate because if you do, 710 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: you will get better. You're putting it out just an 711 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: incredible amount of books tight now. Oh you know, It's 712 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: like I've have the opportunity. I have people that approached 713 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: me from the teams now and from Special Operations world now, 714 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I've got some guys that I'm really 715 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: looking at that I get these messages all the time 716 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: from some of the probably the toughest pipe hitters in 717 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: the world. I mean, guys that that you know do 718 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: it for the CIA, Guys that I can't publish their 719 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: books because I know the CIA would go nuts and 720 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: all these are d O D. I had to put 721 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: that one through the d O D. And we know 722 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: how fun that is. Even though this guy was he 723 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: was not with D O D when he went over 724 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: to he was not. But we we had to tell 725 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: the story one of the chapters, and there's how he 726 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: got oh in the Navy, how he was the seals, 727 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: and how he how he had the issues that he 728 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: did have and the hatred that he got as a 729 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: result of it, you know, for the Taliban and for 730 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: that whole Islamic if you will world, that that that 731 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: hates and that that the terrorists type of the you know, 732 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: that into the spectrum is how he had. He couldn't 733 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: give it up and he had to do something to 734 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: give up that hate. I gotta tell you on another subject, 735 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: but my favorite part of it the last time that 736 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: you were on with Ryan Zankie promoting American Commander um So. 737 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: And by the way, if people want to dig back 738 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: that episode, go to soccrep dot com slash radio because 739 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: like the older episodes, I don't have fun Apple podcasts 740 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: right now. We did that for a reason, but you 741 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: could go back to soccrep dot com Slash Radio, But uh, 742 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: this was I literally think that interview may have been 743 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before he was in the Trump administration. 744 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: And I asked him, like, would you take a job 745 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: in the Trump administration? You know, like he said great 746 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: things about you, and this was the you know, and 747 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: he says great things about the seals, and you know, 748 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: you being a congressman, and I was like, would you 749 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, would you work for the Trump administration. He 750 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: gave me such a political answer where he's like, oh, 751 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: it's great being the loan congressman from Montana. But I 752 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: feel like I knew in the back of my mind 753 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: this guy would take a job in the Trump administration. 754 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: And then, like I think honestly, like two weeks later, 755 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: he becomes Secretary of the Interior. Ryan's a great man. 756 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I really good friend, and I really I 757 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: really respect him. And you know, the funny thing is 758 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: with him is you know, you got that enlisted versus officer, 759 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, paradigms you will in the military. And I 760 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: have never ever talked to a seal, no matter what level. 761 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: That didn't totally dig Bryan didn't totally think that he 762 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: was he was the real deal as an officer, as 763 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: a commander, whatever didn't matter to them. They're like, look, dude, 764 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: he would not ask us to do a job that 765 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: he hadn't already done or wouldn't do right then himself, 766 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: you know. And that was that was the way he 767 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 1: ran when he ran Blue Team at Seal Team six 768 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: and Goal Team, you know, like that's the way he 769 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: ran it. That's the leadership that they wanted, is you know, 770 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: the officers had to be right there with the in 771 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: and had to be willing to and able to do 772 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: every single job that you would call of that. You know, 773 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: of that of that you know that machine gunner or 774 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: the door kicker, the explosives guy or whatever else. You know, 775 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: he must have been there with them or they don't 776 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: have that cohesion. And that's really what Ryan is about. 777 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: It does seem that Ryan Zinky has kept his head 778 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: down amidst a lot of the controversial he's getting. He's 779 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: getting attacked again right now, is he really? Yeah, he's 780 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: getting another attack right now. And they they're always coming 781 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: out after him at some point in time there. You know, 782 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: they come up with something and um, you know, I 783 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: know again they're just coming up with another attack now, 784 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: and it's like the only thing I really remember recently 785 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: was um it was something where he was like about 786 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: the budget for national parks and he's like, well, what 787 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: do we do? I mean, where do we cut the 788 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: veterans discount? And like people went crazy about that. But 789 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: I mean, what are they coming after him over? And 790 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, some supposedly ten thousand dollar land deal 791 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: or something. Just I was like, the government made that 792 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: somebody made for a park in in in in in 793 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: you know whatever. But the whole thing, I mean, I 794 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: haven't read the whole thing, so I don't I can't 795 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: give an opinion, but I'll tell you exactly what right 796 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: I believe right now, and that is it's just another 797 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: one of the left, blown up crap stories that they 798 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: bring in just to try and deface, you know, anybody 799 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: that's affiliated or associated with Trump. I mean, that's really 800 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: what it is. Is anybody, if you put up your hand, 801 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: you meet anybody. They attacked me all the time just 802 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: for back in from you know, I was unabashed. You know, 803 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: I backed him from day one, you know, like and 804 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: I was always supported him, you know, being that that 805 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: book came out weeks before or like what a month 806 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: or two before he joined the administration, did you have 807 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: any idea that that he was going to be Secretary 808 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: of the Interior. Let's just say I know people that 809 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: that got that book to the right people that made 810 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: and let's just say that that book had I believe 811 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: some some some influence on those who are making some 812 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: some judgment calls, you know. So I know it was 813 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: I know it was read by those close to that camp, 814 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't going anymore. Do you still 815 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: keep in touch? Oh yeah, that's great. Well, I mean 816 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: he's a buddy mine. I mean, he's a friend of mine, 817 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, like, you know, I'll talk to him anytime. 818 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: I'll get a phone call from him in the middle 819 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: of the night. You know. It's like one of those things. 820 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: It's like whatever with Clint Eastwood. You know, it's like, 821 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: do I still keep in touch? Not as much as 822 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: I like, you know, because they're busy man, you know. 823 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, it's like you meet people 824 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: in your life that you're impressed with, and it's nice 825 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: to have, you know, that person you know on your 826 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: cell phone, you know, because they'll take your call any time. 827 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: And I'll take their call any time, because usually we'd 828 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: like to do it over a beer. But getting over 829 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: a beer now it's hard to do, you know, like 830 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: with your friends, because it seems like, you know, the more, 831 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: let's just say, the busier they are, the less time 832 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: you get to spend with them. And most people I 833 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: know that are competent are very busy. You know, that's 834 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is, and you know they'd 835 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: love to spend more time around Ryan. I mean, we've 836 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: been trying to plan something out for a while, but 837 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: you know, I just haven't had the chance. Yeah. Well, 838 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: I wish them the best. I mean, I'm not the 839 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: type of person is just eight on anybody in the 840 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: Trump administration just because they're in the administration, you know, 841 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: the good job. Yeah, I mean for those who don't know, 842 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: we've been very objective on the show about the whole thing. Well, 843 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: if anybody on, if they loved Trump, h Trump, Like, 844 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: we're not a uh, you know, politically ideological show. We 845 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: both have our biases. We're never gonna like not have 846 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: someone on because of one thing or not. Well, I 847 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: think Ryan Zinky said it best to have him back 848 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: on the attitude, the attitude of the military is certainly 849 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: not monolithic. There's Democrats, there's Republicans, there's independence in the military. 850 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: And he said, but we all in the military fight 851 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: for the same reason, and that's your ability to choose 852 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: which way you want to go. That's that's what we 853 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: defend the constitution. The Constitution says you make whatever choice 854 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: you want to make. That's where where we all aligned 855 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: in the same direction. And I think that's a great 856 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: way to look at it. Has some pretty funny stories 857 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: about the senior medic on my O d A. It 858 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: was a huge Democrat, like who loved Obama and uh 859 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: and he was a great medic, really great guy. But 860 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: you could imagine on the team like it was just 861 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: the jokes are hilarious. And I had an Iraqi, an 862 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: Iraqi SWAT member come up to me one time and 863 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: he was mad. He liked George Bush because Bush came 864 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: in and disposed of Saddam Um, and he hated Obama 865 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: because Obama was pulling all the Americans out of Iraq, 866 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: and he wanted us to stay because we were friends now. 867 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: And he came up to me one day and he 868 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: was like, George Bush, good, fuck you Obama, And I 869 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 1: was like, go tell our medic that, go tell him 870 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: that right now, had said it to him, and our medic. 871 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: I just hear our medic screaming out of get the 872 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: hell out of here. You that's funny. No, I mean, 873 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: it's funny, you know. I mean, and and unfortunately, you know, 874 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: I think that the only way that I would completely 875 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: jump off that bridge, if you will, in my disagreements 876 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: with Obama, irrespective of what you want to say these 877 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: guys did or that guy did, it was in the 878 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: rules of engagement. I always thought that our men and 879 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 1: I say this to everybody, and Ryan Zink he agrees 880 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: with me. Unfortunately, we got Madis there and Ryan, they're 881 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: advising the president that our rules of engagement have to 882 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: mean that we survive, our men survived. It's America first, 883 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: and I don't care what anybody says. If you don't 884 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: fight a war that way, you're making a mistake, you know. 885 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: That's really what my biggest objection was to the way 886 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: that Obama handled the military was and the rules of 887 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: engagement I felt were completely stupid. Well, I mean, honestly, 888 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: I would put that, especially what we're seeing in Afghanistan, 889 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: it cuts across from Bush to Obama to Trump, is 890 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: that are we fighting this thing to win it? Like? 891 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: What the hell are we doing? Especially now? It's a 892 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: maintenance war and it's immoral and unethical to fight a 893 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: war like that. I know. And we will, we will ultimately. 894 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: And I don't say this because I don't love this country. 895 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean, camp Veller tells you, I love this country. 896 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: We will ultimately leave, just like the English left, just 897 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: like the Russians left, just like we're held between your 898 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: legs whatever. For whatever reason or whatever way you want 899 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: to say it, you will not defeat Afghanistan. And it's 900 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: the country. It's the country, it's the it's the tribalism, 901 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: that mentality, all that stuff that Alexander the Great talked 902 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: about a thousand years ago is the same thing that 903 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,959 Speaker 1: exists today. I mean, it's just a thing that exists today, 904 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: you know, like you know, it's it hasn't changed, it 905 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: won't change. And you can try and change the landscape there, 906 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: but you're not going to change the country. Yeah, you're 907 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: not going to change the culture. I mean, you're not 908 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: gonna do it. And unfortunately I have to agree with 909 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: you there. 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It's available developed by Chris who always does 954 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: a great job, UM, getting into what you wanted to 955 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: talk about, which I guess we're now calling the woke 956 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: woked hard of the Week. What were we calling it before? Um? 957 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,439 Speaker 1: So woke, so woked hard of the week, wokedard week, 958 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: bunch of the week, worked hard of the week. I 959 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: like it this one. This is a particularly egregious example. UM, 960 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: do you want to pull that up real quick? That link? Yeah, well, 961 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: the one you sent me on Facebook. I couldn't open. 962 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I tried to open and it 963 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: just blocked it out. Even though so for those uh watching, 964 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna banter here a little bit as we try 965 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: to open this thing up. Yeah, let me pull the 966 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: link up. I just so I don't uh so I 967 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 1: get it right. Yeah, But this is an interesting idea 968 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: because every we haven't done a throat punch of the 969 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: week every week, but when we come up with one, 970 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,439 Speaker 1: it's great. And so now this idea of the woke 971 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: hard of the week, because there's so many of them 972 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: now that it's in this community of woke vets or 973 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: just you know, these woke people in general, because it's 974 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: become the new term. As you know, I wasn't even 975 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: familiar with that terms of my son told me what 976 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: it was. I didn't even know what it mean. Yeah, 977 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's just another word for liberal 978 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: or progressive. Well, you know, you know where that came from. 979 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: Woke is something that came from the black community, actually, 980 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: and then it was something the right hijacked, and then 981 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: it was something now that the far left is hijacked. 982 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 1: So everyone's appropriating these words. Oh wow, look at that. 983 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: It got taken down right, That's what I got when 984 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: I tried to open it. But you know the story 985 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: behind this, so yeah, but I wanted to pull up 986 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: the actual name. Um, it's probably better than you don't, 987 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,919 Speaker 1: so okay, so let's say the name on the link. Yeah, 988 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean the There was a story published in Task 989 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: and Purpose. We're back to them. Of course. It all 990 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: goes in circles um by someone writing under the pen 991 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: name Peter de Lacroix, who claims to be or or 992 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: is a a transgendered person who she was in the 993 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 1: military in the Navy, claims she was in the Navy 994 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: as a woman and then transition to became a man, 995 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,919 Speaker 1: which is how she lives her life or he lives 996 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: his life today. Um, but it turned out that this 997 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: individual was never in the navy. Uh. Somebody went and 998 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: did like a deep dive on them, see what what 999 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: what what the deal was here? Because this person seemed 1000 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: a little suspicious and uh, the whole story is just bullshit. Uh. 1001 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: And they you know, this person has been challenged to 1002 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: throw up, like show us some documentation anything that shows 1003 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: you were in the military, not like an awards like that. 1004 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: I think they claimed that they have a bronze star 1005 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: and a purple heart, like, well, show us a citation. 1006 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm not getting on the like stolen 1007 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: valor thing. I don't really care about that so much 1008 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,800 Speaker 1: as much as is that you're making these rape allegations 1009 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: that are obviously I mean, if you weren't in the military, 1010 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: then you couldn't have been raped in the military. It 1011 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: just all falls apart. And when they were digging into 1012 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: this person's background, apparently they had made false rape allegations 1013 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: in the past, which they had been charged with. I 1014 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,359 Speaker 1: guess so it's just another one of these stories where 1015 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: it's like, holy sh it, you have this huge like 1016 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,439 Speaker 1: virtue signaling story and task and purpose about a very 1017 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: real issue military sexual assault. That's a real thing. It 1018 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: happens every day. And um, maybe that's the worst part 1019 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: of this whole thing, because when people come and they 1020 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: make these false allegations, it's like preemptively discredits everybody else 1021 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: is true, somebody who comes forward and comes to their 1022 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: superior and it's like, look, I was sexually assaulted, and 1023 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: now because of people like this, the idea has been 1024 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: planted in their minds. Well maybe it's not true, and 1025 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: that's really a shame. Yeah. I mean, you know, unfortunately, 1026 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: we have seen, because of the advent of the Internet 1027 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of these things, the most outlandish and 1028 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: I think non sympathetic stories become hits. I mean, become 1029 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: like these huge social issues for no other reason than 1030 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: the fact that the you know, the Internet, you can 1031 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: become instantly famous and no one does any checking. No 1032 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: one looks no one looks at your background, no one 1033 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: looks at people that knew you, no one looks at people, 1034 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: well who were you with? I mean, like what what 1035 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,399 Speaker 1: group were you with. I mean, any military person could 1036 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: look at this story and within five minutes, you know, 1037 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: somebody that hasn't been in the military, they know, I 1038 00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: mean they know that this is just you know, a 1039 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: bunch of woke crap and rise and fake hate crimes. 1040 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: And then now with those are really bad. Those people 1041 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: that claim they were like attacked because they were a 1042 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: Muslim on the subway. Remember that there's someone in the 1043 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,280 Speaker 1: Air Force too, you remember that ye Air Force Academy, 1044 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,240 Speaker 1: I yea of the stuff though racist? Yeah, like that's 1045 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: that kind of thing is really harmful. No, it is, 1046 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: and and it's so irresponsible. And I think that the 1047 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: counter too. I mean I've always been of the belief 1048 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: and in another life, I'm a recovering lawyer. I mean, 1049 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, like I always thought that people who are 1050 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: falsely charged and people that make false charges against somebody 1051 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: for rape or whatever else, that if that charge is 1052 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: reversed and it's definitively shown that that person did not 1053 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,240 Speaker 1: do that crime, then the person that made the charge 1054 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 1: should do the same time that they caused the other 1055 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: person to do. And let me tell you something, those 1056 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 1: false claims to go down quick. Yeah, and there definitely 1057 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: has to be some sort of repercussion for making like 1058 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: malicious false claim exactly. Um. But the interesting thing too 1059 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: is to see people who are woke like defend this 1060 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 1: sort of behavior, but like it gives them the feels, 1061 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: so they mistake those feelings with facts. Um. And then 1062 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: the explanation is always, well, I was trying to start 1063 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: a discussion, yeah, but you get the yeah butts. And 1064 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: it reminds me of you remember that Dave Chappelle's skit 1065 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: with Clayton Biggspace. Yeah, and we can't tell people he's 1066 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: too important to the movement. I mean it's so true. 1067 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these people you're giving instant credibility 1068 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 1: because it fits the rhetoric that the narrative that you want. 1069 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: And and and that's unfortunate too, because the narrative, if 1070 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: you believe in your narrative, then you should want credible 1071 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: people to be carrying your vanguard, not a bunch of fakes, right. 1072 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: You want the most credible people, the most honest people 1073 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,400 Speaker 1: with the most integrity to tell that story it's the truth. 1074 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I feel America has really kind of fallen 1075 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: into the morass of quick hits, quick quick pain killers, 1076 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 1: quick stories, quick this, quick that instead of wanting to 1077 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: work and look at what really is going on. And 1078 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 1: you know, the journalism that used to be in this 1079 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: country has is woefully, woefully gone to the to the side, 1080 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,520 Speaker 1: because you see these stories printed a lot of times 1081 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: by journalists or alleged journalists, which are really just commentators 1082 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: from one political point of view or the other. And 1083 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 1: I don't I don't like it from the left, and 1084 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't like it from the right. How about the 1085 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: Time magazine that was just printed with the girl who 1086 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: was allegedly separated from her family and it was all 1087 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: Obama and no one fact checks. Yeah, you know, I 1088 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,280 Speaker 1: mean it is really that is an issue that's really 1089 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,800 Speaker 1: going on. But you have to have a legitimate picture 1090 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,800 Speaker 1: if your Time magazine, I think it was I believe 1091 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,839 Speaker 1: it was a Honduran family and yeah, the parents came 1092 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 1: out really quickly and we're like, no, we were never 1093 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: separated from our children. Now, I mean, but it doesn't matter, 1094 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't fit the it doesn't fit the plan. I mean, 1095 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: if it doesn't fit the plan, then they don't they 1096 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,840 Speaker 1: don't look, they don't literally don't look no further. And 1097 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,839 Speaker 1: that's that that's unfortunate part. And that's I think that's 1098 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: a real reason why America is at each other's throats 1099 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: right now, is because everything is plan oriented instead of 1100 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,480 Speaker 1: fact oriented. Well, you just did a podcast interview about 1101 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: our favorite guy, Wayne Simmons, and that's a guy who 1102 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 1: they just put on TV and said he was in 1103 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,399 Speaker 1: the CIA. You know, I was thinking, I was thinking 1104 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: about it a little bit on the way here, and 1105 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean the parallels to all this Huxley's great novel 1106 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 1: Brave New World are they can't be discounted out of 1107 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: is really today news speak is today if you if 1108 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: you read you know by Orwell, I mean you know 1109 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: it has become the Orwellian nightmare is exactly what it is. 1110 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: And there's one that I see up there that's that's 1111 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,919 Speaker 1: a mem that I know, it's real that I've seen 1112 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,879 Speaker 1: on there and it's, uh, you know, they're not even 1113 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: going to to fight back because they're all just staring 1114 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: at their screens. And that's what he said, you know, 1115 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: like he said, they're all staring at their their TV 1116 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,879 Speaker 1: screens at that point in time, and they won't even 1117 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: be ready to fight back. And then you know the 1118 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: mem has the kids looking at their you know, at 1119 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: their pd A s you know, you know, and basically 1120 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: that's what they did. They were Yeah, I mean Orwell 1121 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 1: and Huxley were both visionaries, no doubt, no doubt. How 1122 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,879 Speaker 1: about we've mentioned this before. Our writer Kurt wrote, or 1123 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 1: there's a picture is a picture of him at shot 1124 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,799 Speaker 1: show going like this the circle game, and someone said 1125 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,400 Speaker 1: it was a white power symbol on Twitter. So but 1126 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: now you see the recent did you see the recent 1127 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,800 Speaker 1: news article that there's a police of there's a picture 1128 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: of a police um unit and there's two guys. There's 1129 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 1: just that two of them are throwing up the same 1130 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,799 Speaker 1: thing and they've been suspended without pay for throwing up 1131 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: a white power symbol, which clearly was not the intention 1132 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: because this is apparently a white power So I've never 1133 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: heard of that one. I better be careful. People have 1134 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: lost their minds. But like literally like we're coming up, 1135 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,839 Speaker 1: we're coming on glued. I know it, really, and you know, 1136 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's unfortunate. We need to get back. We 1137 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: need to get back this common sense that that we've 1138 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 1: had in this country, and that really this country is about, 1139 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: is the ability to say I don't believe that I 1140 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: don't believe that story, and the ability to have the 1141 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: guts to say, you know what, you show me, you 1142 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,759 Speaker 1: show me what you're talking about. I want to see 1143 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,319 Speaker 1: the evidence that it supports what your your claim is, 1144 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,359 Speaker 1: because if you do that, then I think a lot 1145 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: of this stuff just goes away. Well, yeah, you have 1146 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: to fall in love with the word no. Yeah, and 1147 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,640 Speaker 1: said no, I don't believe that, and yeah, if the 1148 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: facts show that I'm wrong, okay, I'll change my mind 1149 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,359 Speaker 1: about it. But yeah, you have to show me, show 1150 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: me the goods exactly. And you know, and and unfortunately, 1151 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 1: once again going back to the journalism of today, it's pathetic. 1152 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: It's really really pathetic what we see coming out of 1153 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, our journalists that that I believe have just 1154 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,360 Speaker 1: become commentators. I mean they're just heads, talking heads, reading 1155 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 1: reading the line that comes off the screen instead of 1156 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 1: really thinking about what they're doing. And you know, the 1157 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,760 Speaker 1: day that there was a research journalist or research writer 1158 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: or research you know, person looking into things. Unfortunately, I 1159 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,840 Speaker 1: believe the only way you see it now is in books. 1160 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's some writers out there that 1161 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,479 Speaker 1: I totally trust their research. Well, it's interesting, you say 1162 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: that because the sense I get in the media sphere 1163 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier about how it may 1164 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,600 Speaker 1: become avant garde to unplug. I get the sense that 1165 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 1: right now people are starting to deviate away from the 1166 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 1: clickbait journalism and they're moving more towards long form content 1167 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: um the sort of like intellectually engaging um material. And 1168 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,720 Speaker 1: I think that's why some of these podcasts have taken 1169 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,319 Speaker 1: off for a lot of people that they want to 1170 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,319 Speaker 1: hear conversations, even even this conversation here where it's like 1171 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 1: we sit down for an hour and we talk and 1172 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 1: we're not trying to jam talking points to people's threats. 1173 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we can disagree on something or 1174 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, politically, we can have our own issues or 1175 00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,719 Speaker 1: whatever else. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I mean, 1176 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, we're here 1177 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,399 Speaker 1: to just put it the way we believe it. And 1178 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm just like you, if you can show me that 1179 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 1: something different than what I just said, then hey, bring it, 1180 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, bring it. I'm I'm willing to listen to it. 1181 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm willing to see you know, whatever it is you 1182 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,520 Speaker 1: think is diametrically different to my point of view. But 1183 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: don't don't just throw me some article off the internet 1184 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: and you know, or some crap from some guy saying 1185 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,239 Speaker 1: he was an next military and no, don't do that. Hey, 1186 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: So wrapping things up here, I gotta at least let 1187 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,479 Speaker 1: the audience. You know, you're gonna be away for about 1188 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,399 Speaker 1: a month and a half. I'm gonna be doing some 1189 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: outside stuff and you know, making things interesting. It's gonna 1190 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 1: go rogue while we're gone. No, we'll still be doing 1191 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: the show. I'm I'm the consistent always here. I do 1192 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,360 Speaker 1: my best to be. But yeah, you'll be away for 1193 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,279 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. Yeah, I'm gonna be last show 1194 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,880 Speaker 1: for a while. Um. Hey, you can call me up. 1195 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: I can come on anytime you want. Yeah, you know, 1196 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: hit me up. I'll dial in on Skype. Oh yeah, 1197 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 1: we have we have some great stuff on the horizon. Though. 1198 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: We'll have Pat McNamara back on. I have that planned out. 1199 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm working on getting Hoist Gracy on with Jim West. 1200 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,399 Speaker 1: That would be badass. Um. Ernie Emerson, I think we'll 1201 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 1: get back on. C J. Woodroof, who you might know 1202 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 1: if you're in like the fitness community. But he's also 1203 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: a former marine combat vet. Um, we're gonna have uh well, 1204 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the name of the guy 1205 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,280 Speaker 1: we just had on inside the team room. My mind is, uh, 1206 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 1: Sam fat Sam Fattus is gonna be on. He's a 1207 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of fun to talk to. Sean Spots wanted to 1208 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 1: come back on and talk about or come on to 1209 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 1: talk about an article he wrote on the Malaysian flight, 1210 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: So we're gonna revisit that. Um, just a lot of 1211 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,360 Speaker 1: really interesting stuff. So we're gonna I'm gonna make sure 1212 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: we have some solid shows and of course have some 1213 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: writers on. UM. You're leaving for Europe for a month 1214 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,560 Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, I'm gonna be in Italy. You 1215 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,000 Speaker 1: realize it's the fighting season in Europe right now, is 1216 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: it yea, And it's become like Afghanistan now, it's like 1217 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, the summers when they come out and I'll 1218 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 1: tell you and in Italy in July in August, you 1219 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: can go to the equivalent like the Times Square of 1220 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,560 Speaker 1: city in Italy and lay down in the street and 1221 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 1: nothing will happen to you because Italians just go on vacation. 1222 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. The cities are and they're good 1223 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: about that that's true. Their ghost cities so weird. Brandon 1224 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: has been in Europe like back and forth for the 1225 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: past year. He's been. I know, man, he's a total Europhile. 1226 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: I see us see his post, and I'm like, wow, France, Russia, 1227 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,280 Speaker 1: Italy comes back with an accent. You guys slapping for me. 1228 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna be wording black paint. Hello, you guys. Give 1229 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 1: him a good hard slap for me. I mean like, 1230 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean, like Madonna's lovely adopting a British accents. That's 1231 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,080 Speaker 1: right for those lessening. I of course have to let 1232 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,040 Speaker 1: you know pick up Camp Valour. It's available now, you know, 1233 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: especially if you have kids who you want to check 1234 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: that out. Um, you know, because as you said, there's 1235 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,600 Speaker 1: nothing really on the market that is doing quite what 1236 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: you're doing with this book. If they love your Guys 1237 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: show and they're watching this, they're gonna love this for 1238 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 1: their kids, guarantee. So pick pick up Camp all or 1239 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,840 Speaker 1: available every where. Scott McEuen, When does When the City 1240 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: of Death come out? October October? Alright, well, great avenue 1241 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 1: in studio when it's always better in studio? It is, man, 1242 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: totally different. I don't know you you'd be able to 1243 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 1: come into that. Yeah, glad it worked out all right. 1244 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: Thanks as always, Scott, appreciate it. Thank you guys. Yeah, 1245 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 1: you've been listening to Self Rep Radio. New episodes up 1246 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: every Wednesday and Friday for all of the great content 1247 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,439 Speaker 1: from our veteran journalists. Join us and become a team 1248 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 1: new member today at solf rep dot com. 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