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Speaker 2: After shooting mister Kirk Robinson hid the gun, discarded the

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Speaker 1: And she goes, my fingers hurt, my eyes hurt, but

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Speaker 1: it's all worth it. So there are now thousands of

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Speaker 1: employers just don't want to deal with this. Even Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk is getting into it. He tagged the Microsoft CEO

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Speaker 1: and Musk wrote to the Microsoft CEO, what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: All right? More coming up?

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A

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Speaker 1: We've been telling you that Tyler Robinson is facing felony

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Speaker 1: charges murder, first degree murder charges that will get him

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Speaker 1: the death penalty. Over in New York, Luigi Mangioni had

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Speaker 1: shooting the CEO Brian Thompson from United Healthcare. And we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk to Royal Oaks. See what that's about.

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Speaker 1: Second degree murder charge sticks, but not the first degree.

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Speaker 1: I was telling you about people getting fired all over

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Speaker 1: the country for cheering the Charlie Kirk murder. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you about a guy, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: tell you what he wrote, and then I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what he does. All right. Name is Jonathan Perkins, and

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Speaker 1: he's on blue Sky. That is the social media site

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Speaker 1: that became popular for left wing people after Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: so they all moved to blue Sky. Maybe you heard

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Speaker 1: of it. I don't know. Well, Jonathan Perkins started posting

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Speaker 1: things like after Kirk got killed, this is fascism at work.

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Speaker 1: One Blue Sky user wrote they didn't feel sad over

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Speaker 1: Kirk's death. Perkins responded with why shouldn't he be dead?

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Speaker 1: Another post from Perkins is I'm always glad when bigots die.

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Speaker 1: So Perkins is black. Also wrote you can't force people

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Speaker 1: to mourn someone who hated us, no matter how he died.

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Speaker 1: It is okay in capital letters to be happy when

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Speaker 1: someone who hated you and called for your people's death dies,

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Speaker 1: even if they're murdered. What did Jonathan Perkins do for

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Speaker 1: a living. And I'm not making this up. He was

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Speaker 1: an official at UCLA in its Equity, Diversity and Inclusion office. Well,

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Speaker 1: I tell you, if you want to find hateful people,

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Speaker 1: what equity diversity and inclusion. Ah. He had had a

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Speaker 1: weird incident before, which makes me think he really is

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Speaker 1: not he claims in twenty eleven, he claimed in twenty

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Speaker 1: pressured him to recant the story, and I'm thinking twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: that is Obama's FBI. You sure, And then he claimed

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Speaker 1: recanting it has been my life's chief regret. He said,

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Speaker 1: his activism and academic work, he wanted to create a

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Speaker 1: more equal society and it was rooted in the anti

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Speaker 1: racist allyship and the effects of institutional and individual bias.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear anyone say out loud a phrase

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Speaker 1: like anti racist allyship? But this is what we pay

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Speaker 1: for at the public universities. Somebody who speaks practically in

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Speaker 1: writes hateful texts celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. Hard

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Speaker 1: to believe we live in the culture we do, all right,

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Speaker 1: after two o'clock. Well, the insanity from last winter was

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Speaker 1: United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson getting shot to death by

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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni. By the way, he's still drawing crowds outside

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Speaker 1: the courthouse when he makes courtroom appearances, and a judge

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Speaker 1: shocked everybody by throwing out the first degree murder charge

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Speaker 1: that was the most severe charge. Second degree stands Worn't

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Speaker 1: Oaks from MAYBC News. The legal analyst is gonna explain why.

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