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Speaker 1: a little bit. Got a play of the day, stat
Speaker 1: of the day, mcleven. I have a poll question here.
Speaker 1: NHL announced yesterday that referee Tim Peel will not be
Speaker 1: calling games now or in the future. That's kind of
Speaker 1: a polite way of saying you're fired if you missed
Speaker 1: the story. Peel was caught on a broadcast saying that
Speaker 1: he wanted to call a penalty against Nashville early. His
Speaker 1: language was more colorful. It didn't help that the story
Speaker 1: blew up, but also was signed at the times because
Speaker 1: in every sport, officials used to be more colorful. When
Speaker 1: you go back in baseball, Joe West or Eric greg
Speaker 1: Ed Hockeyley in the NFL, Joey Crawford in the NBA,
Speaker 1: colorful characters they thought you were paying to see them.
Speaker 1: There's old school umpires and referees who probably had no
Speaker 1: problem with the profanity that was used by Tim Peel.
Speaker 1: But it's a bigger issue now. Mike's are catching everything,
Speaker 1: players have more power. There's calls for transparency, more transparency
Speaker 1: because of legalized gambling and all of this means that
Speaker 1: there's less tolerance bad behavior, and unfortunately, it means Tim
Speaker 1: Peel will not work in the NHL. Again, We've been
Speaker 1: discussing this. We probably spent about twenty minutes on this
Speaker 1: this morning. We're just sitting around talking about it. I
Speaker 1: need a little more information here. I don't know what
Speaker 1: his reasoning or motivation was to say, hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: to call penalty on the predators. And we did reach out.
Speaker 1: Fritzie reached out to Tim to see if he wanted
Speaker 1: to tell his story on the show. We have not
Speaker 1: heard back from him, but that offer still stands if
Speaker 1: he wants to join us and talk about this, because
Speaker 1: I don't know what the context is. I have a
Speaker 1: four second clip where he's saying, I want to, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta call a penalty on the predators. What did
Speaker 1: he say prior to that? What happened prior to that?
Speaker 1: What did he say after that? What happened after that?
Speaker 1: Was he trying to police the sport? Was he trying
Speaker 1: to say, guys, I'm not going to let you get chippy,
Speaker 1: or I don't like the direction of what's going on
Speaker 1: right now. I don't know any of those things, and
Speaker 1: I thought he would at least now. I know he's
Speaker 1: retiring this year, like in a month, but he still
Speaker 1: got fired. And I just want to have context what
Speaker 1: you said, how you said it, why you said it,
Speaker 1: when you said it had something happened with the predators
Speaker 1: before a previous game, whatever that is. I understand the
Speaker 1: sensitivity of this. I understand if you're the commissioner, Gary Bettman,
Speaker 1: you can't have any doubt when you go to a
Speaker 1: game about the officials. We've had doubts. I think we
Speaker 1: all feel like referees are out to get our player
Speaker 1: or our team. There's a bias. I understand all of that,
Speaker 1: and they're human. I truly believe that you have baseball
Speaker 1: umpires who don't like certain players and may call the
Speaker 1: game accordingly consciously, subconsciously, I really feel that way. Not pretty,
Speaker 1: but it's real there. You can't go into the game.
Speaker 1: I know that they're professionals. They're told to be professionals,
Speaker 1: act professionals without having the human side of this. And
Speaker 1: if there's history Joey Crawford through Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: out of a game for laughing from the bench like
Speaker 1: they're just okay. How do you explain that? I mean,
Speaker 1: imagine if Joey Crawford said to another official, Hey, if
Speaker 1: duncan keeps laughing over there, I'm going to run it.
Speaker 1: Like the personal side of this, that's what I want
Speaker 1: to know. Do I think that this happens without verbal acknowledgement.
Speaker 1: I do, and I've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 1: It's a strange story. I see both sides. Tim Peel
Speaker 1: could be saying without saying it, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stop this now. I don't like where this is going.
Speaker 1: I don't like what the predators are doing. It's just
Speaker 1: he said it. The verbal acknowledgement is what cost him
Speaker 1: his job. Do I think officials get together and they
Speaker 1: say things like this. Imagine this baseball game. You get
Speaker 1: ready to start the game. Let's say there's a fight,
Speaker 1: bench clearing brawl, three game series, this is the last game,
Speaker 1: and you say to start the game to both managers
Speaker 1: and both pitchers. I'm not putting up with any nonsense.
Speaker 1: So now I'm not calling the game as if it
Speaker 1: was just a standalone game. I'm bringing something into this.
Speaker 1: But if you say, hey, look if Trevor Bauer throws inside,
Speaker 1: I'm running him. So both sides know this. Everybody knows this,
Speaker 1: and that's how you're going to umpire the game. Imagine
Speaker 1: if an umpire would say to another umpire, man, I'm
Speaker 1: sick and tired of this. You know his nonsense out there.
Speaker 1: You know I'm going to run him. Now that's different.
Speaker 1: That's you inspiring with another umpire. Then it's different. Do
Speaker 1: I think Tim Donaghee is a standalone rogue official in
Speaker 1: the NBA. I don't. Maybe I'm naive that. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was a standalone rogue official. They're human. Tim
Speaker 1: Peel made a mistake, he'll pay for it. But I
Speaker 1: think in fairness to him, I would love to know
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, what led up to it. Why did
Speaker 1: you feel that way, Why did you say that, Why
Speaker 1: did the other official agree with you? I just want
Speaker 1: the story. That's it, and they may not change my mind,
Speaker 1: But I think in fairness to these stories, all of it,
Speaker 1: all of these stories we cover in sports Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: prime example, You've already made up your mind. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I just want to know what's involved here, the whole story,
Speaker 1: both sides of the story, and the same with something
Speaker 1: like this with Tim Peel who lost his job, Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson who could go to prison. Varying degrees here of
Speaker 1: what's going on and listening to both sides of the story.
Speaker 1: And it's hockey and people may not care, but I
Speaker 1: look at this as don't look at it as the
Speaker 1: sport of hockey. It could be any sport. It could
Speaker 1: be soccer in the Premier League. It could be baseball, basketball, college,
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Speaker 1: one little thing because you said you want more contexts,
Speaker 1: you want more story. The NHL's release when they fired
Speaker 1: Tim Peel said quote, there's no justification for his comments,
Speaker 1: no matter the context or his intention. They have no
Speaker 1: interest in the context or releasing it or investigating it.
Speaker 1: They fired him within I think a day and a
Speaker 1: half of the game. You know, the action came less
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours after he officiated the game. They
Speaker 1: should actually do the opposite and make him do an
Speaker 1: interview or have him do an interview, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: appear that it's gambling related now. Shortly after, one of
Speaker 1: the players for Nashville was whistled for a tripping penalty
Speaker 1: on a Detroit player, the rink side TV microphone picked
Speaker 1: up the official Tim Peel saying it wasn't much, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a bleeping penalty against Nashville. Early
Speaker 1: the NHL determined that the voice was Peels and said
Speaker 1: that the ref would no longer be working in NHL
Speaker 1: games now or in the future. And then the NHL
Speaker 1: came out and said, you know, nothing's more important than
Speaker 1: ensuring the integrity of our game. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is a makeup call. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is a call to just I want to establish
Speaker 1: this happens in the NBA, happens in baseball. But an
Speaker 1: umpire or an official will warn you. A lot of times.
Speaker 1: You'll hear the officials say to a player, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not putting up with that. Hey, I'm going to call
Speaker 1: that like They will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: Not always, but players will tell you. Officials will give
Speaker 1: you a heads Hey, I'm gonna call holding on that,
Speaker 1: all right. They they try to be fair to you
Speaker 1: and they will give you a little bit of a
Speaker 1: heads up. I don't know what else happened here. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there was something that was so egregious
Speaker 1: where Tim Peel missed a call and then said I
Speaker 1: got to make up for it, or to me, it
Speaker 1: feels like I'm not going to put up with any
Speaker 1: of this nonsense here between you guys and Hey, it
Speaker 1: wasn't much, but I'm going to call it because I
Speaker 1: don't like the direction this game is going is. That's
Speaker 1: the feeling I had, But I don't know what else
Speaker 1: was said after that. That's the only piece of audio
Speaker 1: I've heard about with you know, Tim Peel's voice attached
Speaker 1: to it. That's it. But he doesn't even get a hearing.
Speaker 1: It's like nope. And I thought, okay, you take him
Speaker 1: all the ice. He doesn't referee a game, you at
Speaker 1: least let him have his day like you're sending him
Speaker 1: into the penalty box as a referee. He got a
Speaker 1: time out, but that's all. If it was another sport,
Speaker 1: imagine this is the NFL, NFL, it would be on
Speaker 1: national news. This would be huge. If you had an
Speaker 1: official who said to another official, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: I gotta it's not that bad, but you know he's
Speaker 1: still he hit Brady again in the head, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I gotta call it. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can fill in the dialogue and then it would
Speaker 1: mean more if it was a different sport. This has
Speaker 1: happened in tennis, where you've had players who have thrown
Speaker 1: matches or do you have you know, an umpire who's
Speaker 1: on the take, like it's going to happen. The amount
Speaker 1: of money that's attached to this, it's only going to
Speaker 1: get worse because these officials are probably going to say,
Speaker 1: these guys are making all the money, and the league's
Speaker 1: making all the money, and here I am, I'm the
Speaker 1: one that's running the game. Here, just look at the
Speaker 1: human side of this. What's it gonna take? How much
Speaker 1: is it gonna take? Hey, and plus In hockey, if
Speaker 1: I call a penalty, Let's say there's five power play
Speaker 1: opportunities for a team and I call two of those
Speaker 1: in a game, that's a big advantage. In the NFL,
Speaker 1: I don't take a player off the field, and hockey,
Speaker 1: I send you to the bench. Power play goal. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. If I have two of those
Speaker 1: and you have I'm responsible for two of the five,
Speaker 1: could change the game. Yeah, Bully, I had an idea
Speaker 1: years ago. Instead of sending the player to the penalty box,
Speaker 1: he just has to play the shift without a stick.
Speaker 1: I mean that would really be fast. He's just skate around.
Speaker 1: I think you should play without skates. Yeah, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on this, and if you
Speaker 1: have thoughts on it, I'm open to it. Eight seven
Speaker 1: seven three d P show. I'd love to hear from
Speaker 1: a hockey official referee. But really, in fairness to Tim Peel,
Speaker 1: until I hear something prior to or after, it kind
Speaker 1: of leaves me in limbo here. He could have the
Speaker 1: best intentions. He truly could, because you could you could
Speaker 1: do something without saying something. And I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: would have had a problem with that call that he had.
Speaker 1: All Right, you know it wasn't much, but I called it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm worried about the flow of the game.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about what this is going to escalate into.
Speaker 1: You could say that to your fellow referees, you know,
Speaker 1: when you go the ice after the first or second
Speaker 1: period and just say, hey, you know, by the way
Speaker 1: I called that, Just so you guys know, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm worried about. Okay. I don't think anybody would
Speaker 1: have a problem with that, but I think the language.
Speaker 1: I think he was careless in what he was saying
Speaker 1: and how he was saying it. Obviously didn't know that
Speaker 1: microphone was going to pick him up, but I would
Speaker 1: like to know more more conversation dialogue that was had.
Speaker 1: There's just to be fair to it. Let's see Albert Brier,
Speaker 1: the Monday morning quarterback, will join us. Always love Albert.
Speaker 1: He always gives me information, and I just wanted the
Speaker 1: biggest thing I want to talk to him about is
Speaker 1: what's going on with green Bay. Green Bay and the Jets.
Speaker 1: And I have some information on the Jets that I
Speaker 1: got last night and i'll have that for you coming
Speaker 1: up about what they're going to do with the number
Speaker 1: two pick, at least what is being discussed with the people.
Speaker 1: I talked to one of my sources. I have that
Speaker 1: for you coming up. But also, what is Green Bay doing?
Speaker 1: Because I didn't like the Jordan Love pick. You went
Speaker 1: up to get him, and now you get him, and
Speaker 1: now I have Aaron Rodgers the you know, you know,
Speaker 1: the MVP, the defending MVP. At some point. The advantage
Speaker 1: of having Jordan Love is his rookie contract. Well, how
Speaker 1: many years do you have Jordan Love before you say
Speaker 1: we got to play him? Because that helps us as
Speaker 1: opposed to spending forty million dollars on our quarterback, even
Speaker 1: though our quarterback is better than the player that we're
Speaker 1: going to eventually put in there. And I was told
Speaker 1: last night by a source. I my source said, I
Speaker 1: would be shocked if Aaron Rodgers is on the Packers
Speaker 1: after this next season. That's that's pretty big stuff. Restructure
Speaker 1: the deal. What's that mean, Faron Rodgers? It just feels
Speaker 1: like you got the Packers have one eye on the future,
Speaker 1: one eye on the present, and the president is president
Speaker 1: is Aaron. The future is Jordan Love. But when do
Speaker 1: you make the future you're present? When do you put
Speaker 1: Jordan Love in there? And when do you send Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers packing. Why am I drafting Jordan Love if I'm
Speaker 1: not going to play him? Right? I drafted him because
Speaker 1: it's a rookie contract. Maybe Aaron Rodgers stays, maybe plays
Speaker 1: another three years. I don't think he will because I
Speaker 1: just look at the business side of this. But just
Speaker 1: that's some information that you know. I'm curious what Albert
Speaker 1: will tell me on that. And the other part is
Speaker 1: what the Jets are going to do at the number
Speaker 1: two number two overall. Yeah, McClellan, that's crazy. If Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers as well as he's playing, it just is like
Speaker 1: if I'm a Packers fan, I'm like, and I hear
Speaker 1: you say that, I'm like, what I know? I said
Speaker 1: the same thing. I text you guys as soon as
Speaker 1: I got off the phone with this source, and I
Speaker 1: went what and I I said, Fritzie, I said, you know, see,
Speaker 1: if somebody will join us, just talk about this because
Speaker 1: I got Aaron Rodgers playing a very high level. It
Speaker 1: just feels like, if you're the Packers and you made
Speaker 1: this investment, can you just admit you made a mistake?
Speaker 1: I mean, really, can you just say, you know? One
Speaker 1: on second thought, we have a guy who is playing
Speaker 1: at a level that very few in the history of
Speaker 1: the sport have ever played. I think they were surprised
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers played as well as he did. I
Speaker 1: truly believe that, because remember the year before, it was
Speaker 1: a down year for Aaron Rodgers, I mean for him,
Speaker 1: it was a friction between him and the coach. Hey,
Speaker 1: we got to get a new philosophy here. We want
Speaker 1: to have an offense more like San Francisco's offense. These
Speaker 1: are all these things they were talking about. Yeah, Boint,
Speaker 1: you know what needs to happen in Green Bay. Same
Speaker 1: thing that happened. They took Jimmy Garoppolo I think in
Speaker 1: the second round out of Eastern Illinois the Patriots and
Speaker 1: Brady Did he get suspended and that's why Garoppolo played.
Speaker 1: I think it was the suspension. Garoppolo is three and one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: filling in, which is just enough to us of a
Speaker 1: sampling to get a trade partner. They need Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: to miss two games for any reason. Jordan loved to
Speaker 1: play really well, and then they trade him. That would
Speaker 1: be ideal. All right, we'll take a break, We'll get
Speaker 1: to phone calls, and we'll talk to Albert Breer from
Speaker 1: the Monday morning quarterback Frank I solo from the S
Speaker 1: Network covering the NBA. We're still we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. And I look at New Orleans when I
Speaker 1: watched New Orleans play, and you got Brandon Ingram and
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson, and I go, you got a pretty good
Speaker 1: nucleus here, and even Lonzo Ball, who's young and playing well,
Speaker 1: and I go, why aren't they winning? And now they're
Speaker 1: talking about trading Lonzo Ball. So we'll talk to Frank
Speaker 1: a little bit later on. And is Kyle Lowry on
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Speaker 1: before we get to Albert Brier, let me just tell
Speaker 1: you talking to a source last night and I just
Speaker 1: curious what's going to happen with the Jets, And I said,
Speaker 1: do you think the Jets will go with Zach Wilson?
Speaker 1: And my source said, it's too early to be giving
Speaker 1: up on Darnold, especially with a team around him. But
Speaker 1: the GM didn't draft him. I would think that they're
Speaker 1: hoping to trade out. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who really like Wilson in striking distance for the second pick.
Speaker 1: The Jets could really improve with a deal with numerous picks.
Speaker 1: He also says they have a good amount of cap space.
Speaker 1: New head coach will listen to the front office. I
Speaker 1: think picks is what they would prefer to do, but
Speaker 1: was told if there isn't a blockbuster deal involving that
Speaker 1: second pick, overall, the GM will take Wilson, who he
Speaker 1: thinks is great. It's bringing Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
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Speaker 1: Where do you think we stand with the Jets there, Albert?
Speaker 1: I think they're still open to moving Donald. I think
Speaker 1: if somebody had given them their price, they may move.
Speaker 1: They may have moved him already, and I think that
Speaker 1: price is probably around a second round pick and something
Speaker 1: else maybe in between, like what the Niners got for
Speaker 1: Alex Smith all those years ago, which was two twos,
Speaker 1: and what the Cardinals got for Josh Rosen m twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: which is a two and a five. Um, So you know,
Speaker 1: I think they're still, you know, very open to to
Speaker 1: listening to offers. Eight teams have called them on Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: so there has been some level of interest. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think for the new gm U Joe Douglas,
Speaker 1: who's been there for a couple of years now, actually
Speaker 1: the new coach, Robert sala Um, you know, really the
Speaker 1: ideal for them was to be able to see the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks throw live and get all of their medicals before
Speaker 1: moving Donald or making a final decision to move Donald.
Speaker 1: And Zach Wilson throws tomorrow, Justin Fields throws next week,
Speaker 1: So um, by the time we get to the middle
Speaker 1: of next week, the Jets are going to have seen
Speaker 1: everyone throw live, and I think they're gonna have a
Speaker 1: better idea of what they're looking at with the BYU quarterback,
Speaker 1: with the Ohio State quarter back, they've obviously already seen
Speaker 1: Trey Lance throw. So I still think the likelihood is
Speaker 1: they take Zach Wilson and find a way to move
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. But they've been trying to I think, like
Speaker 1: kind of I guess, maintain some level of flexibility here
Speaker 1: until they actually get to see these guys starting. As
Speaker 1: important to remember Dan too. It's a very different year.
Speaker 1: Scouts really weren't on the road in the fall, there
Speaker 1: was no combine, So you know, Joe Douglas physically has
Speaker 1: not been eye to eye with Zach Wilson or Justin
Speaker 1: Fields yet and making a final decision on one of
Speaker 1: those guys without actually being able to size them up,
Speaker 1: you know, with your own eyes, to tie your job
Speaker 1: security to that guy, which is what you're doing if
Speaker 1: you take a quarterback second. Overall, it's a scary thing
Speaker 1: to do. So these are an important couple days ahead
Speaker 1: for the Jets, but also leverage wise that you don't
Speaker 1: want to chip your hand if you're the Jets, that
Speaker 1: you still want to have that mystery of are we
Speaker 1: keeping Darnald? Do you want that number two pick? If
Speaker 1: you trade Darnald, then everybody knows what you're doing with
Speaker 1: the number two pick, right And I think they mean
Speaker 1: they still really like Darnald, you know, like that's the
Speaker 1: thing about it. They really do like Sam. You know.
Speaker 1: I think they just feel like at this point they
Speaker 1: either have to go all in on him or cut
Speaker 1: the chord. And really that's logistically where they are in
Speaker 1: the contract. You know, after three years you know, the
Speaker 1: way these contracts work with first round picks, that's where
Speaker 1: the decision point comes. That's when you have to make
Speaker 1: a decision on the fifth year option. These guys become
Speaker 1: eligible for long term deals at the same time, so
Speaker 1: you know, you're sending a signal what you think of
Speaker 1: the guy after a year three because you have to
Speaker 1: make the decision on the fifth year option and you
Speaker 1: have to make a decision on whether or not to
Speaker 1: extend him. And so that's sort of why I think
Speaker 1: they are where they are with Sam. Would they like
Speaker 1: to see him for a couple more years, sure, you know,
Speaker 1: like if they had him at a good rate, that'd
Speaker 1: be fine. The fact is they're gonna they'd have to
Speaker 1: pay i'm almost twenty million dollars to keep him in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, which makes that decision I think a
Speaker 1: little more difficult. But you know, to your point, you know,
Speaker 1: maintaining you know that the mystery till draft day I
Speaker 1: might be the smart move. It's what the Cardinals did, right.
Speaker 1: Cardinals wouldn't I wouldn't tip their hand to anybody. Now.
Speaker 1: I think some of us knew that Kyler Murray was
Speaker 1: probably gonna be the pick for a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: leading up to that draft, but they held on to
Speaker 1: Josh rose and all the way up until draft day
Speaker 1: and didn't move him actually until the day after they
Speaker 1: took Kyler Murray. I was also told by source the
Speaker 1: safest pick in the draft aside from Trevor Lawrence. Do
Speaker 1: you want to guess besides Trevor Lawrence, Yes, Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: Patrick Curtain Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, said that that's interesting,
Speaker 1: like Curtan's interesting, and that he's got NFL bloodlines. He's like,
Speaker 1: his tape is like very very clean. What they say
Speaker 1: about certain is that maybe he doesn't have the ceiling
Speaker 1: that Virginia Techs Caleb Farley or South Carolina's JC Horn have,
Speaker 1: Like he's not quite the freak athlete that those guys are.
Speaker 1: But I think, I mean, I think whoever told you
Speaker 1: that Dan see what they're saying, because you know, he's
Speaker 1: sort of I mean just I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: you find too many NFL people that would look at
Speaker 1: him and not think this guy's a ten year starter
Speaker 1: in the league. Now, will he become Darell ReBs? You know,
Speaker 1: maybe Horn or Farley have a better chance of being
Speaker 1: that sort of player. But I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: question that there's a consensus that Cirtaan's going to step
Speaker 1: into the NFL and be a really solid player. I'd
Speaker 1: explain to me what's going on with Green Bay, because
Speaker 1: it feels like it's either something good for Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: or it's something bad for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Well, I
Speaker 1: think I'll the talk of the you know, the of
Speaker 1: the renegotiation. And I think one thing we all have
Speaker 1: to remember here, when when players restructure their contracts, they're
Speaker 1: really not giving up anything, right. They're are basically moving
Speaker 1: money around and sometimes they're getting the cash in their
Speaker 1: pocket faster, which can help the team from a cap standpoint.
Speaker 1: That's all that's really happening in most of these cases.
Speaker 1: There are cases where they're pay cuts. This isn't going
Speaker 1: to be one of those, and there are in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases, um, you know, triggers in the in
Speaker 1: the in the players contract where they can do these
Speaker 1: things automatically. I think that the Packers, if they're going
Speaker 1: to restructure Aaron Rodgers, they're going to go to him first.
Speaker 1: And to me, like this would seem to be like
Speaker 1: an elegant solution, right, Like if you go to Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and you say, okay, like, we're going to continue
Speaker 1: building the team that we've built, and we're gon we're
Speaker 1: not going to veer off of the way that we've
Speaker 1: tried to put this whole thing together, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: work with you. So we're gonna restructure you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get some money in your pocket a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: than you would have gotten out otherwise, and we're going
Speaker 1: to use the cap savings to go add player X,
Speaker 1: player why or player Z to me like that, that
Speaker 1: would be a very elegant way of addressing the concern
Speaker 1: they're Rogers has that the Packers aren't working with enough urgency,
Speaker 1: working with say the urgency the Chiefs have with Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes or the Buccaneers have with Tom Brady, and saying like, okay,
Speaker 1: like we've got x amount of cap space, we're going
Speaker 1: to work with you to try and improve the team,
Speaker 1: but we're still not going to veer off of what
Speaker 1: our principles have been in putting this whole thing together.
Speaker 1: But at some point, what are the Packers doing with
Speaker 1: Jordan Love? Because the benefit is the rookie contract, but
Speaker 1: we don't know if he can play, and at some
Speaker 1: point don't either you admit you made a mistake or
Speaker 1: you say to Aaron Rodgers after next year, Aaron, thank you,
Speaker 1: but now we got it. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: reason why you moved up in the draft to get
Speaker 1: him in the first place. I think the comparison that
Speaker 1: you want to look at here, like everybody out there
Speaker 1: listening wants to look at, was the Patriots drafting Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo in twenty and fourteen. When the Patriots took Jimmy Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was getting older, he wasn't pleased with his
Speaker 1: contract situation, and like I think the Patriots knew that
Speaker 1: was going to go up tom Brady's tailpipe at that point.
Speaker 1: One of two things was going to happen, right, okay.
Speaker 1: Either A. Tom Brady was going to be reinvigorated and
Speaker 1: challenged and play at the top of his game, or B.
Speaker 1: Brady was going to age and they were going to
Speaker 1: have a guy in place to replace him. I think
Speaker 1: the exact same thing applies here. I think the logic
Speaker 1: for the Packers and taking Jordan Love last year was identical.
Speaker 1: You bring him in, right, and you hope that maybe
Speaker 1: where the relationships gotten a little strain. Now you get
Speaker 1: a supermotivated player. What happened, he was the MVP of
Speaker 1: the league then, right, and so like you get the
Speaker 1: supermotivated player and going forward, now you also have the
Speaker 1: potential successor on the roster. And so if he falls
Speaker 1: off at all over the next two or three years,
Speaker 1: well then you know, you've got a tough decision to make.
Speaker 1: But at least you're not in the wilderness looking for
Speaker 1: a quarter quarterback. You've got an answer there on the roster.
Speaker 1: And like, what's the worst case scenario? The worst case scenario?
Speaker 1: I like, and I don't even want to call this
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario. I mean, in Brady's case, what happened.
Speaker 1: Brady kept beating Garoppolo out. I mean, Belichick started to
Speaker 1: build a team for the Brandon Cooks trade. When they
Speaker 1: trade for Brandon Cooks, that was for Jimmy Garoppolo. That
Speaker 1: was a receiver that fit Jimmy Garoppolo's skill set. And
Speaker 1: Brady kept playing at the level that he had been playing,
Speaker 1: you know, over the course the first fifteen years of
Speaker 1: his career. After the Jimmy Garoppolo trade. Tom Brady won
Speaker 1: three Super Bowls in five years and the Patriots wound
Speaker 1: up having to trade Jimmy Garoppolo. So that would be
Speaker 1: like I mean, like to me, it's like it's either
Speaker 1: a Rogers ages out and you've got Jordan Love on
Speaker 1: the roster to replace him, or b Rogers plays his
Speaker 1: ass off and now all of a sudden, two years
Speaker 1: from now, you're in a position where maybe you have
Speaker 1: to think about trading Jordan Love. Albert Breer, the senior
Speaker 1: NFL reporter for the MMQB, I was wondering about the
Speaker 1: Texans situation with Deshaun Watson. I don't know what they
Speaker 1: knew and when they knew it, because let's say in
Speaker 1: January they knew that this was lurking, this was on
Speaker 1: the horizon, or they didn't know. Imagine if they had
Speaker 1: traded him in January, I know, and then it came out, Now, Albert,
Speaker 1: that did the Texans know? Like could you avoid a deal? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just curious about the timing of
Speaker 1: all of this and what the Texans knew and that
Speaker 1: they didn't, you know, trade him at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a hard time with it too,
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure what they knew either, And I
Speaker 1: think it's hard to have a take on this because
Speaker 1: either A if you have a hard if you have
Speaker 1: a take on it, either A you're indicting Watson, which
Speaker 1: isn't fair, especially considering you know what sort of citizen
Speaker 1: he's been prior to all of this, both as a
Speaker 1: college player and his pro player, Or you're b not
Speaker 1: taking the allegations seriously enough. So you know, I think
Speaker 1: we have to let this play out. I wish I
Speaker 1: could tell you what the texasnew in December January. I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten any indication that they knew this was coming,
Speaker 1: and I think that the like nikkos Sario, I mean,
Speaker 1: I could tell you what Nikos Sario has told teams
Speaker 1: when they've called on to Shaun Watson, which is basically,
Speaker 1: you can ask me about any player on the roster
Speaker 1: except the quarterback. So they flat out haven't made them available.
Speaker 1: If they had an inkling that there was trouble coming
Speaker 1: down the line, maybe they would have. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but I do know that this puts everybody in a
Speaker 1: really difficult spot because the Texans cannot justify moving on
Speaker 1: from a twenty five year old franchise quarterback without getting
Speaker 1: a historic haul in return. And on the flip side
Speaker 1: of it, if you're the Broncos or the Panthers, or
Speaker 1: the Jets, or the Dolphins or the Niners at this point,
Speaker 1: can you part with a historic hall to get to
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson without clarity in this situation. I've talked to
Speaker 1: a couple of teams that are involved in this dan
Speaker 1: They have said, flat out, no, we can't do it
Speaker 1: right now. We have to wait, and because our owners
Speaker 1: not going to let us do it, and we don't.
Speaker 1: We can't put our jobs on the line that way.
Speaker 1: So we have to kind of let this thing play
Speaker 1: out and get some clarity in the situation before we
Speaker 1: go forward. So you never say never, because you know,
Speaker 1: maybe something happens and somebody takes a wild swing it.
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson thinks they can get a bargain now, and
Speaker 1: the Texans field like it's time to move on. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean, for the most part, like
Speaker 1: the way I see it and people I've talked to
Speaker 1: over the last week about this, I think it effectively
Speaker 1: is going to freeze the trademarket for Deshaun Watson, but
Speaker 1: if the season was starting, he would be on the
Speaker 1: commissioner's example list. I'm guessing yeah, I mean I would
Speaker 1: think so, I would think, so why isn't now because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be because the commit because the league,
Speaker 1: the league right now doesn't have to make a big
Speaker 1: deal out of this because there's nothing going on, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's no I mean, he can't like offseason programs
Speaker 1: and we don't know if they're going to start, but
Speaker 1: the Texans offseason program can't start till a week from Monday, So,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the way the league sort of
Speaker 1: proceeded in cases like this more recently, you know, and
Speaker 1: there was that time when you know, it was you know, commissioner.
Speaker 1: You know, the commissioner was sort of like the hammer
Speaker 1: in these sorts of cases. And I think that they've taken,
Speaker 1: going back maybe to Antonio Brown, they've taken like a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a rehabilitative stance in these things
Speaker 1: than a punitive stance. And so I think they've been
Speaker 1: sort of careful to punish players when they don't necessarily
Speaker 1: have to. And I think at this point the league
Speaker 1: stance and probably would be for right now at least,
Speaker 1: we don't have to do anything now. If we're going
Speaker 1: to open up offseason programs on April fifth, which is
Speaker 1: a possibility for teams with new coaches, the Texans fit
Speaker 1: into that category. Maybe at that point we have to
Speaker 1: do something and say something. But I mean, like, even then,
Speaker 1: we know Deshaun Watson's not going to show up. You
Speaker 1: know we've already had We've already established that. So I
Speaker 1: think the league hasn't done anything at this point because
Speaker 1: really they don't have to do anything. I'll leave you
Speaker 1: with this talking to a source and he said, there
Speaker 1: is an outlier who's gonna come up to the top five.
Speaker 1: Somebody's coming into the top five in the draft. Now,
Speaker 1: if I say that, what would be the team that
Speaker 1: would be the outlier that you think might be trying
Speaker 1: to get into the top five even higher? I'm told,
Speaker 1: who would that be? Okay? So, like I think everybody
Speaker 1: knows Caroline is very quarterback hungry, right, so they're not Now,
Speaker 1: it's not them, Yeah, it's not them because we know
Speaker 1: that they're I've been told their owner is quote unquote
Speaker 1: obsessed with getting a quarterback. So I'll give you two
Speaker 1: teams dan that I think like people maybe aren't talking
Speaker 1: as much about. One would be the New England Patriots
Speaker 1: because they've built up their roster to a point where
Speaker 1: where I feel like they don't have as many holes,
Speaker 1: you know that they have to fill as they had
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago. And like, although Bill's history is
Speaker 1: to trade down, he has taken opportunities to move up
Speaker 1: in the past, and if you remember in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: they traded up twice to get Chandler Jones and Dante Hietowers.
Speaker 1: So when they see something they think is really special,
Speaker 1: they'll go and get it. The other team that I
Speaker 1: think is lurking out there is the Denver Broncos. I
Speaker 1: think the Broncos could get aggressive with a quarterback if
Speaker 1: they see one that they really believe as a superstar.
Speaker 1: And so maybe they're the team that jumps from nine
Speaker 1: to three to go get like a Justin Fields And
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they've got a new general
Speaker 1: manager and George Peyton, who isn't tied to Drew Locke.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, there are major league questions
Speaker 1: about whether or not there's going to be any first
Speaker 1: round quarterback prospects in the twenty twenty two draft. So
Speaker 1: if you're a first year GM, you're looking at it
Speaker 1: right now. Maybe you're lukewarm on Drew Locke and you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we don't get one this year and there isn't
Speaker 1: going to be one next year, now I could be
Speaker 1: going into year three as a general manager still looking
Speaker 1: for my guy, and so I just keep an eye
Speaker 1: on the Denver Broncos, maybe getting aggressive there within the
Speaker 1: top ten. By the way, I don't have the answer.
Speaker 1: I was just told that there is an outlier that
Speaker 1: you know, Denver qualifies an outlier. Yeah, yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: would think so San Francisco would qualify. Fan Francisco is
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, I mean I think San Francisco. I
Speaker 1: think San Francisco is tied to Jimmy until they can
Speaker 1: find what they feel like, until they can find they
Speaker 1: feel like it's a significant upgrade. I've been consistent on that.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're moving. They were never moving off
Speaker 1: of Jimmy for They're not moving off of Jimmy for
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew. If Gardner Minshew's coming in there, it's as
Speaker 1: a depth piece because they feel like they need better
Speaker 1: depth at that position. But like I've maintained this all along,
Speaker 1: like I really feel like if there was a significant
Speaker 1: upgrade they would consider it. Great to talk to you again, Albert,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us all right, Thanks Dan. That's Albert Breer,
Speaker 1: the senior NFL reporter, League content strategist for the MMQB
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Speaker 1: like that off the bench. But one hundred twenty one
Speaker 1: starts in his career. Also, I want you to know
Speaker 1: when I said Aaron Rodgers and in person I was
Speaker 1: talking to last night, that they would be surprise shock
Speaker 1: that if Rogers is there the following season. I'm not
Speaker 1: here to ruin Green Bay's day. I'm just giving you
Speaker 1: that's a conversation I had last night. This is a
Speaker 1: guy who knows the league, but it's not a I'm
Speaker 1: shouting for the out and tops reporting this. It's just
Speaker 1: that's the conversation I had last night. And we had
Speaker 1: conversations about a variety of things, but you know, we
Speaker 1: got around Aaron Rodgers the restructuring of his deal, and
Speaker 1: I said, I don't I don't know what's going on here,
Speaker 1: and he said, I'd be surprised because at some point
Speaker 1: you have to make way for Jordan Love, because you
Speaker 1: don't want to all of a sudden say, Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: you're now are starting quarterback and by the way, your
Speaker 1: contracts up, and now we have to give you a
Speaker 1: new contract. And he hadn't done anything yet, at least
Speaker 1: with the Patriots and Jimmy Garoppolo. Brady was suspended, Garoppolo
Speaker 1: came in and played pretty well, although then he got hurt.
Speaker 1: But based off of that, he got you know, he
Speaker 1: got traded and you were able to get something from
Speaker 1: San Francisco there whether that was enough for you for
Speaker 1: Jimmy g but you know they were able to showcase him.
Speaker 1: You almost have to have a situation where Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is not playing for Jordan Love to play for you
Speaker 1: to see what you have. Yeah point, when Brady was suspended,
Speaker 1: not only did Garoppolo play a couple of games? Did
Speaker 1: Jacobe Brisette? Brissette played a couple games and that part
Speaker 1: he part laid that no starting job in Indie. Brian
Speaker 1: and Utah joins us. Hey, Brian thought, I'm just curious
Speaker 1: to do Yeah, are the Packers telling you exactly who
Speaker 1: they are? Didn't we go through this? But Brett Farr
Speaker 1: was thirteen and three in the NFC Championship game, groomed
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and moved on from Brett farm is the
Speaker 1: same situation going on here? I don't know, Brian, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate phone call. I'm still trying to sort this
Speaker 1: out of They're asking Rogers to do something. Restructure is deal?
Speaker 1: Free agency's over. If if I was going to ask
Speaker 1: him the restructure is deal, wouldn't I do it so
Speaker 1: I could take advantage of free agency? That was what
Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure out. And that's why
Speaker 1: we had Albert Breer on. I don't have the answers
Speaker 1: to this, and it's just one person's opinion of eventually
Speaker 1: Green Bay is going to move on from Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: That's why you trade it up to get Jordan Love
Speaker 1: or they eventually have to say we made a mistake
Speaker 1: with Jordan love Right. Eventually Colin in Ohio, Hey Colin, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: psycho back row. I want to get let's started out
Speaker 1: there first. I'm a writer for fredline dot com, so
Speaker 1: I was watching the game that Tim Peel was officiating
Speaker 1: the other night. One of the reasons why it was
Speaker 1: such a big deal is because the penalty that he
Speaker 1: called was not a penalty. He called tripping on Victor Arvidson,
Speaker 1: and then they watched the replay and even the color
Speaker 1: commentators like Chris Mason said, there's no way that's tripping.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no contact whatsoever. So to have
Speaker 1: him say what he said after making that call, and
Speaker 1: then you know, fans seeing that it was not a
Speaker 1: penalty whatsoever, I think it's kind of added fuel to
Speaker 1: the fire. All right, we still don't understand the context
Speaker 1: of it, Thank you, Colin. What happened prior to that?
Speaker 1: Was there something in the first period? And you know,
Speaker 1: we've asked for the NHL if they want to comment.
Speaker 1: They said no, They said their statement stands on its own,
Speaker 1: which is fine. That doesn't clear it up. Did something
Speaker 1: happen in the first period? Was the aim progressing in
Speaker 1: a way that Timpe didn't like it. That's all I mean.
Speaker 1: If there was nothing other than, hey, I'm going to
Speaker 1: play god here and I'm going to take over the game,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to call this for whatever reason. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's one thing. I'm just trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: context of it. That's all one hour of the books.
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