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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and our podcast, How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Here's the drill we're going to react to Mike Vrabel.

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel was relieved of his duties today, fired. What

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Speaker 1: that means for the NFL? Why that situation took place?

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Speaker 1: what else am I paying? My coaches? So let's say

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Speaker 1: my coaching staff as a whole, with trainers and everyone else,

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Speaker 1: is twenty five million dollars. Right, My head coach makes eleven,

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Speaker 1: all my other coordinators, all my assistants, all my trainers.

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Speaker 1: I'll even throw in team president, Like my scouts don't

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Speaker 1: make that much money. My salespeople make note like what

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Speaker 1: are all my other expenses? And then you start factoring in, Well,

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Speaker 1: if I'm just in a relatively decent city, the amount

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Speaker 1: of people, if I have any piece of where we play,

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Speaker 1: I profit from Taylor Swift and the Rolling Stones and

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Speaker 1: Metallic and every the amount of money that's flowing in.

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Speaker 1: I saw on Instagram a picture of Jerry Jones yacht.

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Speaker 1: Like all these guys like Jerry and some of these

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Speaker 1: people that have been in the league a while, I've

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Speaker 1: seen it with Jed Yorke, he built that stadium. Like

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Speaker 1: the Yorks didn't have that much money relative to super

439
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: rich guys. Now they're super rich, like private jet, unlimited money.

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Speaker 1: They don't even think about cash. Money just flows. So

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Speaker 1: you can fire these coaches really easily the moment they

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Speaker 1: start bothering you. It has nothing to do with the contract,

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Speaker 1: whether I owe the five more years at you know,

444
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Speaker 1: seventy five million dollars total. Mark Davis, who is literally

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Speaker 1: one of the most cash poor owners in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: fired Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler and rap sheet and

447
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Speaker 1: schefter said, yeah, it's between sixty and seventy million dollars

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Speaker 1: video's total between the two of them. Obviously Josh the

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Speaker 1: head coach, is the majority of that, but like that's

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Speaker 1: the poorest owner poorest. I just think the league is

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Speaker 1: dramatic changed. The timetables have ramped up. We've seen it

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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, right like Trey Lance by his third season.

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Speaker 1: By his third season, they just traded multiple ones. They

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Speaker 1: drafted the guy, he had been banged up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: he had played four games, and the like this guy

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Speaker 1: fucking sucks, see you traded him. Zach Wilson was benched

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Speaker 1: in year two. The timelines of this stuff to me,

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Speaker 1: has amplified. And not only these guys are like getting

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Speaker 1: in trouble off the field, no drugs, no arrest. This

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Speaker 1: is just poor play, whatever, big contract, see you later.

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Speaker 1: Audio's next guy in. And to me, it's a healthy

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Speaker 1: part of the NFL. It makes an interesting part of

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Speaker 1: the NFL. But it also makes a crazy part of

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Speaker 1: the NFL because for every Josh McDaniels or Arthur Smith

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Speaker 1: and was like, this is not gonna work, you can

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Speaker 1: have these situations with Mike Vrabel and uh, sometimes I

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Speaker 1: also think, listen, I'm not just gonna defend Rabel the

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Speaker 1: entire time, because I saw it with Jim Harbaugh early

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Speaker 1: on with the Diners. Now, I think sometimes it's okay

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Speaker 1: to be humbled a little bit, even if you're right

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Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of the time, which I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: Vrabel the benefit of the doubt. I would take Vrabel over

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Speaker 1: anyone else in that organization. But like, I bet there

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Speaker 1: are some things he's just being difficult to be difficult,

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Speaker 1: because Jim Harbaugh was like that a lot, right, And

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Speaker 1: then these stories that became became stuff of legend, like

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Speaker 1: did he tell the owner to leave the room? Like

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Speaker 1: there was a famous story that you know was kind

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Speaker 1: of debunked, but it was like everyone just talked about it,

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Speaker 1: like it was real that Jim Harbaugh with the Niners

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Speaker 1: held a meeting with the team and like the scouts

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Speaker 1: and everything, and Jed Yorke was in it, and he

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Speaker 1: told him to leave the room because it was like

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Speaker 1: grown men only or something. And again, it's ninety nine

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Speaker 1: point nine percent. It's not true, but it was kind

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Speaker 1: of believable. You're like, yeah, he's crazy enough to say it.

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Speaker 1: And I think sometimes these guys get a false sense,

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Speaker 1: like ultimately, if you are a coach, here's just a reality.

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Speaker 1: You are an employee, right, You're a highly played and

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Speaker 1: valuable individual, but you don't you don't own anything, right,

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Speaker 1: You're not a partner in this venture. This is not

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Speaker 1: some podcast network where like you own some revenue and

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Speaker 1: they're helping you out here sell it like that ain't

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Speaker 1: the way this fucking thing's working. I'm just paying you

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Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars a year to coach my team. And

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Speaker 1: if I don't like something, whether you think I inherited

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Speaker 1: my wealth, whether you think I'm some baby, whether you

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Speaker 1: think I'm just some rich kid who's sixty years old,

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Speaker 1: I'm still the boss. And that's just a reality. Of

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Speaker 1: the situation, and I think sometimes you see around the

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Speaker 1: league people just drop that hammer, like fuck you get

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Speaker 1: out of here. And that's what it felt like a

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Speaker 1: little today. Now, like I said, I'll stand by this.

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Speaker 1: I would bet on Vrabel Like to me when Craft like,

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Speaker 1: ultimately there comes a time like I don't think this

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Speaker 1: thing could run its course. In terms of Mike Rabel

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Speaker 1: still in the peak of his power as he's young,

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Speaker 1: I would try to rebuild with that guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: I understand the Craft Belichick thing. It's like, yeah, you know, curmudgeon,

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Speaker 1: angry guys in the seventies, we've been losing. Time to

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Speaker 1: start a new right, just time to start a new

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Speaker 1: and listen the chances that they eat girod Mao. What

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Speaker 1: are the chances to Rod Mayo is good? You just

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Speaker 1: look at the history of the league. Most coaches are

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Speaker 1: averaged to bluff, so you would just It's why I

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Speaker 1: bet against Jordan Love. Turns out I was wrong, but

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Speaker 1: I just bet on the odds. Like you're telling me

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Speaker 1: you're gonna go farv Rogers Love, you might as well

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Speaker 1: just walk into the local seven to eleven, get some

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Speaker 1: scratchers and think you're gonna hit some million dollar thing.

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Speaker 1: Good luck, they did it, you know they did it.

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Speaker 1: But most time you go like, Okay, I'm gonna fire

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbo I'm tired of. Then you go Jim Tom Sula.

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Speaker 1: Then you go Chip Kelly, and everyone just wants to

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Speaker 1: burn the franchise down as a fan because it's so embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: That's usually you know, you go through the Giants, they

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Speaker 1: get rid of Tom Coughlin, need to start a new

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Speaker 1: Well what happened? You went Pat Shermer, McAdoo, Joe Judge, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the NFL, right, It just this, Even Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid never won a Super Bowl. There, but who's a

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Speaker 1: better coach, Andy Reid or Chip Kelly, Doug Peterson and Sirianni.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Doug won a Super Bowl, and I like Doug

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Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni got to a Super Bowl. I think you

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Speaker 1: combine those two literally, if you could morph two guys together,

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Speaker 1: would you either have the morph Doug Sirianni or Andy Reid?

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Speaker 1: You know, like I'd take Andy Reid's like right arm

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Speaker 1: over those two guys. Now, in fairness, Doug, I view

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Speaker 1: Dug at a higher level than Syrianni. So it feels

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Speaker 1: like I'm taking a shot at Doug. I respect Doug.

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Speaker 1: I don't know quite where I stand on Sirianni. But

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Speaker 1: my point is just that it's very, very difficult, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a chance if the Eagles lose to Tampa,

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Speaker 1: which I have a hard time seeing, but the way

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Speaker 1: they're playing, I mean maybe Michigan could beat him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't play any worse than Eagles are playing, especially

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Speaker 1: on defense. So what if he loses, He's just a lock. Like, hey, listen,

547
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Speaker 1: all time legendary collapse. We'll just give you another shot

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Speaker 1: because listen, we feel good about your play caller. Oh wait,

549
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Speaker 1: you can't call the plays? Well, oh wait, well we

550
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Speaker 1: just lost because no one was on the same page.

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Speaker 1: War aren't you s to be a motivator? So this

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Speaker 1: is just it's a crazy time of year. It really is.

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Speaker 1: And Chefter said it a couple of weeks ago. This

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Speaker 1: time of year, which is weird because you're talking about

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Speaker 1: people losing their job is as big as the draft,

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Speaker 1: is as big as free agency. It just is. And

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Speaker 1: to me, it's it's it's as, if not more interesting

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Speaker 1: than all that, because none of that shit matters until

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Speaker 1: I know who's running your team until I know who

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Speaker 1: your head coach is, until I know you know the

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Speaker 1: head coach GM combination, Like, I can't even like the Titans,

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Speaker 1: what should they do? Well? Who's running the operation? Right?

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Speaker 1: The Patriots? What should them? I can't. I can't even

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Speaker 1: begin to talk about the draft, the quarterback? Who you're

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Speaker 1: gonna If Jim Harbass drafting get to I'd say shit,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would expect them to take Drake May.

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Speaker 1: It feels like up his alley. If you tell me

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Speaker 1: Vrabel and Arthur Smith are in Washington, I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: I can see maybe Jayden Danaelds. They kind of like

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Speaker 1: an athletic quarterback, right, I could see that. Look at

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Speaker 1: obviously they play with Tannehill. Vrabel was I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he was on board, but Malik Willis maybe he'd

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Speaker 1: be in. Maybe he didn't like that guy. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But it just the best part about this time of

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Speaker 1: year is the sequen scene to everything, like, well, who

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Speaker 1: are all these coaches? Right as the playoffs are going on?

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00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: So the game, the most important games are going on,

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Speaker 1: and then kind of the draft order is getting sorted

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Speaker 1: out by who's running the organization, and then it leads

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Speaker 1: right into the you know, the combine free agency and

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Speaker 1: we're off and running. But this next month, you know,

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Speaker 1: really helps mold the NFL for the next three or

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Speaker 1: four years, because a couple of guys are gonna hit, Right,

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh goes somewhere, he's proven he'll win. Mike Rabel

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Speaker 1: goes somewhere, assuming he brings Arthur Smith, I'd bet on

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Speaker 1: them winning. So wherever those franchises are, if it's the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: if it's Washington, if it's I guess it wouldn't be Atlanta. Probably,

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Speaker 1: If you assume Rabel and Arthur Smith are gonna go

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Speaker 1: together the Raiders, you're like, well, maybe that team's good

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Speaker 1: the next couple of years, right, the Raiders for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers have one good year and then they suck

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Speaker 1: for several that's kind of their m But if I

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Speaker 1: give them Mike Vrabel and Arthur Smith, I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: charges are gonna be a problem? Charge are gonna be

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Speaker 1: a problem. They got they got a chance to be

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Speaker 1: the number two team in that division. Then moving forward,

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Speaker 1: you'd feel pretty good about that, not dead last like

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Speaker 1: they are right now. I guess that's just a long

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Speaker 1: winded way of just saying crazy time of year. Man. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's dive into a little thing we call the middle

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Speaker 1: Cough mailbag. Very very easy to get involved. There's a

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Speaker 1: little thing called Instagram. I would imagine many of you

603
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Speaker 1: have it on your smartphones. You go to Instagram and

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Speaker 1: you go to my dms. Just my name at John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 1: firing those dms, get your questions answered here on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Very easy to do. We're gonna start with Luke question

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Speaker 1: for the pod Seattle fan here. I think it's inevitable

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Speaker 1: that the DC needs to go too much town to

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Speaker 1: be as terrible as we were. But how do you

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Speaker 1: go about the draft trade up and pick a quarterback

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Speaker 1: like Pennix? Not sure if Pete can make that move.

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Speaker 1: It seems like he's emotionally attached to Gino. I think

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00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: the right move, and I think I mentioned this on

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Speaker 1: yesterday's podcast, is to kind of go your separate ways

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Speaker 1: with Pete. It's not because Pete stinks, right, It's not.

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Speaker 1: I don't look at him like Arthur Smith or Brandon Staley.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like it's running its course. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the same thing with Tom. I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: things just run their course. Now, Pete at seventy two

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Speaker 1: years old, is different than Tom. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how old Tom on is. Fifty to fifty five. Obviously

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Speaker 1: Tom has more of a runway. But like, if I

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Speaker 1: would Seattle like Pivot, I'd get a new coach, Like,

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Speaker 1: they're really good coaches available. I would be really interested

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Speaker 1: in a lot of them. I don't Jim wouldn't take

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Speaker 1: that job, but you know Vrabel and Arthur Smith. I

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Speaker 1: would be all over Ben Johnson. I would be all

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Speaker 1: you don't think Ben Johnson would be interested? Like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: who's in your team? H Kenneth Walker. We got some

630
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Speaker 1: good young tackles, DK Metcalf and Jackson Smith and Jacoba.

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Speaker 1: You want to come score some points here? I think

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Speaker 1: i'd be interested. So I would get rid of Pete

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00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: because the notion of like gotta get rid of our

634
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. It's fucking Pete's defense. I mean, Pete's like

635
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: some defensive mastermind for forty years. I love it when

636
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: Pete fires defensive coordinators. Like, what appreciate your blunt honesty?

637
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: Here's a mailbag question for you. I'm a Jets fan,

638
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: I feel like Douglas and Solid should both be fired.

639
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: But since this franchise has been such a train wreck,

640
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: another restart symbolizes more dysfunction. Agreed, you got to try

641
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: one last year with them, hoping Rogers stays healthy. Yeah,

642
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: they don't have a choice. They don't have a choice,

643
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: but just to stick with something because it like, think

644
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: about the guy that gets divorced a second time, should

645
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: he not get divorced time too, because like I don't

646
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: want it to it's gonna look like I just can't

647
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: figure this out. But this is not working out. We

648
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: are not compatible. This is not I can't stand being

649
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: in this relationship. Or she thinks that, like just because

650
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: you've been divorced one time doesn't mean you can't get

651
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: divorced another time. If it doesn't work right now, you

652
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: can be like, well, people are gonna judge it, so

653
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: be it. They were stuck though they were stuck because

654
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: of the Rogers situation, But I don't think it had

655
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: anything to do with dysfunction. I think it was simply

656
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: because making that Rogers move bailed them out, because I

657
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: don't think they did a good job. I saw Jay

658
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Laser put Jeff Olbrich and I've been followed Jeff Olbrick's

659
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: career since the nineties when he was on the forty

660
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: nine ers as a head coaching candidate. It's like the

661
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: Jets defense, no defense and Mike Lombardi has been on

662
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: this for a while. No defense gets annointed, and then

663
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: you watch on given weeks you're like, are they good?

664
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: Like what is going on? Like the Patriots and I'm not.

665
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: You can maybe nitpick me. Statistically, the Patriots defense consistently

666
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: plays better than what I watched the Jets. The Dolphins

667
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: worked them without Tyreek Hill. They almost blew the following

668
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: week to the commanders, who are fucking terrible. So I

669
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: I want to like Sola. People think like I have

670
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: this weird thing with the beer dying, the beard dying.

671
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: I truly believe it. Now, if his wife wants him

672
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: to die his beard, no issue with it. But if

673
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: that's his deal, I think, like, Bro, you're in the NFL.

674
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: You're not recruiting, Like ultimately Ryan Day dies as beard,

675
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: No big deal, Like he's recruiting. Image matters. Saban coach

676
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: k dye their hair. I get it. I don't have hair,

677
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: but I understand dying your hair if it matters, right,

678
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Like if you're losing and you're worried about like how

679
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: you look like. Bro, all you need to figure out

680
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: is how to score fucking multiple touchdowns in the game.

681
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: You need to figure that out. And maybe he just

682
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: knew he had a lifeline because Rogers was hurt. I

683
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: feel that organization's out of whack. I picked him to

684
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: win the division this year, which clearly ended four plays

685
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: end of the season. I'll promise you this. Unless they

686
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: add Trent Williams, Lane Johnson and like Jason Kelsey this offseason,

687
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: there is they keep Hacket. Absolutely no chance I picked

688
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: them to make the playoffs. They will be my pick

689
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: to be an utter disaster next year. And a disaster

690
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: for them is like six seven wins again and just

691
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: be like it's implodes, everyone fired, Rogers retires. You notice

692
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: listen the Rogers thing on TV. It's like the media.

693
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: You guys just reiterate the same shit over and over.

694
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Get out of your little bubble. Talk to some other people.

695
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: They haven't let go the immunization shit that they are

696
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: obsessed with Rogers with that it's crazy. It's like, guys,

697
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you know how people are talking outside

698
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: of your little bubble in twenty twenty four, right, And

699
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about vaccines. I'm just talking. They're

700
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: just holding onto COVID, the mask, the lockdowns, they loved

701
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: them all. It's it's kind of weird, but it's why

702
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: they despise Rogers. To me, I don't give a shit

703
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: about any of that. I never cared about it, do you,

704
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: I'll do me. But to me, when it came to

705
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, the thing that I noticed in those couple

706
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: of plays, look a little slower, I mean look a

707
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: little slower. And a big part of Rogers thing was

708
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: like movement, right, no different than last year, kind of

709
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: started playing poorly. He's forty years old, like most guys,

710
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: don't keep playing another forty five, like there's a chance

711
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: it's done. Especially now coming off in Achilles. Everyone's like,

712
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: a way he throws the ball, well, well, yeah shit,

713
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna throw the Dan Marino at sixty

714
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: years old spins the ball well, right. I could go

715
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: watch Jack Nicholas Putt. I bet he could make some

716
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: ten footers. Like he's gonna throw the ball well until

717
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: he dies. To me, it's more about how he plays.

718
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: The media hates him. I get it. They're very They're

719
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: a weird group. I mean they really are. Talk about

720
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: a group that really struggles to resonate with normal people.

721
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, do you understand how you look on

722
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: the social media streets? Like you guys are just unhinged.

723
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean we're in twenty twenty four. What are you

724
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: guys talking about? Question for the pod? Do you think

725
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: Atlanta could be like the twenty twenty Bucks if they

726
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: get the right coach and quarterback? Seems to me like

727
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: they have a great roster but just suffer from coaching

728
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: and back mismatches. Could they turned it around in a

729
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: year and compete with Sam fran and Philly? No chance?

730
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be their quarterback? Like, were they getting their CJ. Stroud,

731
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: who's our quarterback? I would have said they would have

732
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: been in the mix for Kirkusin's coming off an Achilles.

733
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: So I just I guess maybe if they got Harbaugh,

734
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: because they got some defensive pieces, keep improving the line

735
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and somehow just find some service. I just

736
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: don't know where they get a decent quarterback. I mean

737
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: part of Horrbaugh's success is like J. J. McCarthy, Alex Smith, Kaepernick,

738
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: like when he's want Andrew Locke. You know you can't

739
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: win without a quarterback. I don't care if you're Bill Watsh,

740
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, or me, you're gonna lose. So I think

741
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: that situation for Atlanta personally, i'd kind of blow it up.

742
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I trade some of their assets. Though I clicked on

743
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: Rich McKay and Arthur Blank talking, it's not how Rich

744
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: was talking that they think they got championship piece. I

745
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: also love like the team president that like a Rich

746
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: McKay and I don't know Rich, so listen. Maybe I'm

747
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: reading it wrong, but he clearly is pretty in the

748
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: mix of football decisions. I'm not saying he's making them,

749
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: but when it comes to salary cap trays like he's involved.

750
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: Yet when the coach sucks like not my problem, like

751
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Dimitrov's gotta go this guy, dan Quinn's gotta go, Arthur

752
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: Smith's gotta go, Like I didn't fuck up. I'm just here.

753
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: You know, with the owner, they got a good gig

754
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: man make seven figs. Team wins, they get some credit.

755
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: Team loses, not on them incredible job. I'm gonna go

756
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: out on a limbsay, sneaky scam going on with with

757
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: presidents like Rich It was like that way with Allen

758
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: forever in Washington. It's like, well, you act like you're

759
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: not the pseudo GM slash grand pooh Bob, but you

760
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of are. Like there are truly some presidents you

761
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: know that are just doing football stuff and are part

762
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: of the group because they're boys with everybody, but they

763
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: don't like they wouldn't be up there with the owner

764
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: when the coach gets fired, like my guy in San Francisco,

765
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: al Guido Don Smolensky with the Eagles that they're they're

766
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: helping making their organization a ton of money, but like

767
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: they're not doing this like half in, half out job,

768
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: which a lot of presidents, if you notice Joe Banner

769
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: did it forever in the NFL. It's such a scam.

770
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: It's like the moment shit goes wrong, not my fault,

771
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: not my fault, where like the GM and the head coach,

772
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: they're all in. They're either gonna win or they're gonna lose.

773
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna get fired. The president loves like being a

774
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: part of it. When shit's going well, like certain guys

775
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: and then get next to the owner and start pointing

776
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: fingers when stuff goes wrong. And there's a large contingent

777
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: of those guys in the NFL. And there's also a

778
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: large contingent of just like legit presidents who are cash cows.

779
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: And I just I know these two guys in Smolensky

780
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 1: and al who are just that. That's what I'd want,

781
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: guys that are money printers and are just good guys

782
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: like not in to do like some weird scumbag you know,

783
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: will put a knife in your back the moment you

784
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: aren't looking when you lose a couple of games, Because

785
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's happening a lot in the NFL

786
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: when it comes to these Kevin Warren. It's why I

787
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: am un It's why I get uncomfortable about that situation. Like, wait,

788
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I report to you, but you're the business guy, but

789
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: you have a too deep roster in your hand. On

790
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: game day, you want me to talk to you about

791
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: the draft and my rankings and the trades we might make.

792
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: But if I win, then shit, you're gonna be right

793
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: there next to me. But if I lose, you're gonna

794
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: be hiding somewhere. Like, think about any other industry, you know,

795
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: with that definition of the situation, you'd be like this,

796
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: something doesn't add up here. Are we all in this

797
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: boat together? Are you in this boat? If it's a

798
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: yacht and the moment it starts to sink, you're on

799
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: another boat. To me, Richard McKay sitting next to Arthur

800
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: Blank had that written all over it. Now listen, I

801
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: saw this clip on Thomas Demetrov. He was fired by them.

802
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: He seems like him. I'm not saying he's a bad guy.

803
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's it's a very weird position. I

804
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't like, honestly, the president of Business Operations to like

805
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: ever have say in anything football. If he's just gonna

806
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: be on scholarship for every coach, it's just bizarre. It's

807
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: not a comfortable it's not a good way to run

808
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: your organization. And there's difference of like the GM and

809
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that guy's allowed to be around. He's cool,

810
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: like we're talking football, he knows, he knows our secrets

811
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. If he's like not looking to cut my

812
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: head off the moment I miss on a player in

813
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: the draft or lose some games. If I'm a coach.

814
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: Regarding Trevor Lawrence, do you remember the comment he made

815
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: when he was coming into the league. His wife said,

816
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: there's also more in life than playing football. Taylor agreed

817
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: and said he doesn't play with a chip on his shoulder,

818
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: and I just don't have that. I can't manufacture that.

819
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to. That was such a huge red

820
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: flag for me, and I'm not surprised he isn't living

821
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: up to the huge expectations. If I was a GM,

822
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: identifying prospects with a chip would be a top marker

823
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: for me. But it seems like the hype train always

824
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: takes over. I'm telling you, like, it's so easy to go.

825
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: I just want the toughest love football human imaginable. I

826
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: want a guy that would like like that dude the

827
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: Monday night for Washington who clearly's ankle and you know,

828
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: lower bodies were all screwed up. That guy was, I mean,

829
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: playing till the end they were getting blown out and

830
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: number seven is running the ball Dylan Johnson like that,

831
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: You'd be like, you want that here, and he's not

832
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, some elite NFL prospects. He's probably not gonna

833
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: get drafted, but you'd want that mindset and all your players,

834
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: and then you get to the draft and you're like, well,

835
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is way better than all these other quarterback prospects,

836
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: and we need a quarterback. So it's like ah, and

837
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: you could argue, well, never never stray from that idea, right,

838
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: only do that? So you just pass on him, And

839
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: you'd be like, well, just pass on quarterbacks. Take the

840
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: best player, take Jamar Chase, or take whoever you know

841
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: in that draft that's an elite player, right, I guess

842
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts went four, Chase went five. Just just take

843
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: take Jamar Chase and you would have been proven right

844
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: over time, but you wouldn't have a quarterback. And listen,

845
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, someone just DM me. They're like, you know,

846
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: look at Peyton Manning. People forget he couldn't win. It's like, yeah,

847
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: he couldn't win the playoffs. Peyton Manning was a second

848
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: team All Pro by a second year in the NFL.

849
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was an elite player by his third year.

850
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't win the playoffs. He was getting there.

851
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: He was getting there. Like, listen, if Peyton Manning's career

852
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: had happened right now, people have been critical of him,

853
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: but you couldn't dispute know dominant he was in the

854
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: regular season, Like, it's kind of he was He's I mean,

855
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: I hate even saying this because Peyton Manning is in

856
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: a different universe than this guy, and this guy's a

857
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: historic quitter. But James Harden like part of the reason

858
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: to be critical of James Harden because he dominates in

859
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: the regular season most of his career. Then he gets

860
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, he shits the bed. But Peyton, like

861
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: was so good a regular season then you finally won it,

862
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: and you just couldn't say anything. Trevor Lawrence. They didn't

863
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: make the playoffs this year. They had a losing record

864
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: in America. The throw he made on fourth down wasn't

865
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: even remotely close. And listen, everyone has a bad game.

866
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: I like Michael Penix as a prospect. That game was

867
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: pretty ugly. That game was makes you think twice, like God, this,

868
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: I might have to go back and watch some film.

869
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: But there was one game. One thing about Trevor had

870
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: a bad season. Every time I watched him, It's like,

871
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: am I missing something here? And I obviously picked them

872
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: to win the division. I thought he was gonna be

873
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: his top five quarterback. I listened to the pod, I

874
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: was wondering why there's so much hate on Bryce Young.

875
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Panthers roster? Why don't you say

876
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: anything about Trevor Lawrence. He has a way better team

877
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: and still hasn't done anything well. He did make the

878
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: playoffs last year and throw a bunch of touchdowns in

879
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: a playoff game and win a game after he threw

880
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of picks. I'm not hosting Bryce Young, and listen,

881
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: I've acknowledged his owner's a nut. His coaching staff was

882
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: a joke. The offensive personnel was awful. But there is

883
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: just an eye test of like, ok, why does he

884
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: look so tiny? And reality is he is small. So

885
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: I think that when you look at Bryce Young, you're

886
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: not defining his career off a rookie year that was

887
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: a joke. But I also think there were some red flags, right,

888
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: Like it turns out Trevor Lawrence, you wouldn't have defined

889
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: his career during the Urban Meyer season, right, It's like

890
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: no one, it's untenable, Like what a what an impossible situation?

891
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: But were there some red flags that year? Looking back, probably,

892
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: I bet if we really did a deep dive there

893
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: were The difference is Trevor Lawrence is six ' five

894
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: and he can run. Bryce Young's not a great athlete

895
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: and he's tiny. No one's Actually the other thing is

896
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: the other quarterback. How's Bryce Young gonna better? CJ? Shroud like,

897
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: how's it gonna happen? I said, it was clear, like

898
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: year one two is never going to be better than

899
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. He does not have the capability to be

900
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: better in Josh Allen. It was year one or not

901
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I meant, justin Herbert, it was clear, it's

902
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: like one guy and the other guy like, what the

903
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: fuck are we talking about? And two has become good.

904
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is a star. Like it's clear that Bryce

905
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: Young doesn't have what CJ has in the bag. If

906
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: you go play golf with someone, and you go play

907
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: golf with a really good player, you like, I don't

908
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: have that shot. It might be like a draw six

909
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: iron from one hundred and ninety yards, like I don't

910
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: even I can't even do that, My ball doesn't even

911
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: turn that way right, or a drive, or it could

912
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: be like an incredible flop shot, like I don't even

913
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: know how to attempt that, And there's a level of that,

914
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: Like obviously CJ's team and coach are better, But when

915
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: you watch CJ, you can remove stats and just watch

916
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: and you go physically, he can't do that. And that's

917
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: how I feel like when I watched the two guys,

918
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing about Tua and Justin Herbert.

919
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: You immediately know because physically they're in a different universe

920
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: talent wise. And when I watch the physical attributes of

921
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: Bryce Younk, He's the smallest quarterback I've ever seen in

922
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: NFL history. Think about that, He's the smallest quarterback in

923
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: NFL history. No guy, especially in the Super Bowl era

924
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: in the last fifty plus years, has ever weighed whatever

925
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: he weighs, and whatever they tell you he weighs, remove

926
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. If they tell you he weighs two hundred,

927
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: I guess he weighs one pint eight three. He's one

928
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three pound quarterback in the National Football League.

929
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: Do you follow some of these players on Instagram? Do

930
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: you see the size of these defensive players? Do you

931
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: see how big the defensive linemen are? Have you just

932
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: seen like Miles Garrett without a shirt on, or Nick

933
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: Bosa's legs or Aaron Donald. The way he plays like

934
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: this is not every single team has an incredible pass rusher,

935
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: let alone multiple big ones. How is that gonna play?

936
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: I like Bryce coming out. I thought he was I

937
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: would have taken at number one. I'm not acting like

938
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm smarter than these guys. I thought he was awesome,

939
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: and then I saw him in a Panther's uniform and

940
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: I was out. This doesn't work. And this isn't baseball

941
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, jose al Tuove is five foot five,

942
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: it shouldn't work. Well, yeah it does. He's an elite hitter.

943
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: He's like Ted Williams, meets like fucking Al Troderiguez. Right,

944
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: it can work in baseball, it doesn't really work in basketball.

945
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: Like how many guys in here five nine have ever played? Now?

946
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: Basketball is different. There's a huge height element that there's

947
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: not necessarily in football. Like you can be six feet

948
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: tall in play quarterback. You could be five to eleven

949
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: five ' ten like Russell, who's a way better athlete

950
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: in a much bigger arm, and just be an incredible scrambler.

951
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: But when I watch Bryce. I go, well, he's never

952
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: gonna play like that. He's a pocket quarterback who's five

953
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: nine a buck eighty. What was I thinking? Like, just

954
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: sometimes we overthink it and then you look back, you go,

955
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: what was I thinking? You watch CJ. Stroud, who's just

956
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: he's not Peyton Manning, not six five, but he's clearly

957
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: six two sixty three. We'll put together still young, only

958
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: gonna put on strength, elite arm, elite touch. Way to me,

959
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: there's not even a comparison, like he's a better athlete

960
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: than Bryce. That's the scary thing to me. If Bryce

961
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: was an elite athlete, That's why Kyler was an elite prospect.

962
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Elite would be strong because he was short, but an

963
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: excellent prospect. Kyler has absolutely everything beside height he had.

964
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: He's an accurate thrower, he has an elite arm. In

965
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: terms of strength he has, he can play within the pocket,

966
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: he obviously can scramble, and he has an elite speed.

967
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: He's Kyler's things that like Bryce, Any's thick. He out

968
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: weighs Bryce. I'd say by in real pounds, not fake

969
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: what they would report thirty pounds of muscle two fifteen

970
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: one guys one five I mean, aren't these just incredible

971
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: red flags? But once you get red flags, whether it's

972
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: in business, whether it's a relationship, you can keep your

973
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: fingers crossed and hope right. I would say, if you're

974
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: an investor, the faster you get out, the more lucrative

975
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: it will be for you. If it's a relationship, the

976
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: quicker you move on or break up, the less stress

977
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: will be on you. And as a player or as

978
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: a team, as a fan, the quicker you embrace we

979
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: might have a problem, the easier it is to transition

980
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: off of it, because the longer you hold on, the

981
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: disappointment will just come inevitably. And maybe he's a historic outlier,

982
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: because if he becomes just a good player, I would

983
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: say he's a historic outlier. In fairness to him, he's

984
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: got an organization that you wouldn't bet on either. But

985
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: say out loud, a guy five nine a buck eighty

986
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: is going to be a good quarterback in the NFL.

987
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing it now, and I

988
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: saw it a year ago, and I feel stupid than

989
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: the volume