WEBVTT - The Story of Rudolf Diesel

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Benz here sitting in for Jerry, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is stuff you should know?

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<v Speaker 3>What you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of pick up the.

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<v Speaker 4>Ball the baton. We are doing an episode today on

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<v Speaker 4>Rudolph Diesel, invention of our inventor of the diesel engine.

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<v Speaker 4>And this was prepared for us by Anna Green, one

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<v Speaker 4>of our writers, and edited a great job, very exhaustive. Look,

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<v Speaker 4>but this was a listener suggestion and I went back

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<v Speaker 4>to look at who it was, and it turns out

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<v Speaker 4>there were three emails over the past like a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of years to investigate Rudolph Diesel. Scott Simpson, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think my friend Scott Simpson, who's also a comedian but

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<v Speaker 4>who knows okay, Christian Coiner and then very mysteriously Leo

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<v Speaker 4>and Jenny Oh No, last name yeah, Leo and Jenny.

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<v Speaker 4>The last name isn't in Jenny.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, the middle initial is in in the last

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<v Speaker 2>name is Jenny.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So thanks for these suggestions, because this was I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't know anything about the guy, didn't know anything about

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<v Speaker 4>the diesel engine, and now I feel good enough to

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<v Speaker 4>get a Jeopardy answer or two correct.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, Yeah, call us ken. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>about this either. I didn't realize that diesel is technically

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<v Speaker 2>a proprietary eponym, or at least a proper noun. If

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<v Speaker 2>you see like that Diesel engine, the d should be

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<v Speaker 2>capitalized because it was invented. It's named after its inventor,

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<v Speaker 2>Rudolph Diesel, who was working around the turn of the

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<v Speaker 2>last century and a little bit before, a little bit after.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was a German kid born in Paris to

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<v Speaker 2>a father who well, his father was a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a character, as we'll see in some of the worst ways.

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<v Speaker 2>But who was He was an interesting person who made

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<v Speaker 2>his own way in the world and changed it radically.

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<v Speaker 2>The irony is he changed it in ways that were

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite of what he wanted to or how we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to change the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure. And like many inventors, his story starts

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<v Speaker 4>out as a child who was sort of obsessed with

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<v Speaker 4>figuring out how things worked. A tinkerer who would take

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<v Speaker 4>apart things. We've heard the story kind of time and

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<v Speaker 4>time again. Someone who would like disassemble things in their house,

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<v Speaker 4>put them back together. As a kid in Paris, he

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<v Speaker 4>was working for his dad a lot of the time

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<v Speaker 4>or in school, and in eighteen sixty seven came across

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<v Speaker 4>his first internal combustion engine at the Paris World's Fair

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<v Speaker 4>when he saw the auto engine, Nicholas Auto's coal gas engine,

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<v Speaker 4>like I said, at the World's Fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this was a big deal. Other people had

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<v Speaker 2>invented internal combustion engines before, but Nicholas Auto's was like

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<v Speaker 2>the culmination of it. It was like the real deal. So

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it really struck young Rudolph Diesel, this

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<v Speaker 2>would have been oh he would have been fifteen, nineteen, No,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have been nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine being a nine year old kid and seeing an

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<v Speaker 2>internal combustion engine and saying to yourself, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>I want to dedicate my life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of kid. Theodore Diesel was right. And again it

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<v Speaker 2>was a big deal that he saw this engine, or

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<v Speaker 2>I should say the engine itself was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>But they didn't stick around Paris for much longer. That

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<v Speaker 2>was eighteen sixty seven. Within three years, the Franco Prussian

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<v Speaker 2>War broke out and the Diesel family said we need

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of France. Let's move to London, and

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<v Speaker 2>they did, and the whole family took a downward turn

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<v Speaker 2>from there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I get the idea that it was

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<v Speaker 4>just sort of moved uprooted and moved to a new

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<v Speaker 4>country and had a lot of time getting good work

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<v Speaker 4>because their family did not live well there, thankfully at

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<v Speaker 4>least for Rudolph. A few months after getting there, he

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<v Speaker 4>was twelve at the time and uncle said, come back

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<v Speaker 4>to Germany, come back to Ausburg, live with us. Your

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<v Speaker 4>uncle here, Christophe Barnacle, will help pay for your schooling.

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<v Speaker 4>He enrolled at the Royal County Trade School for three

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<v Speaker 4>years while his family stayed in London. So when he

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<v Speaker 4>graduated in eighteen sixty five, his dad said, hey, need

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<v Speaker 4>you to come back to London and get some get

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<v Speaker 4>a job and help us out, like your schooling is over.

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<v Speaker 4>Rudolph said nine, I'm gonna stay here. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>be an engineer, which means I need to keep going

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<v Speaker 4>to school. So he denied his father and enrolled at

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<v Speaker 4>the Technicia Hochschuler Munschen there in what we call Munich, Germany.

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<v Speaker 4>He got a scholarship to go there and very the

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<v Speaker 4>word I'm looking for when something happens, it's very important

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<v Speaker 4>and auspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>No, resolute, No.

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<v Speaker 4>Not that sort of the opposite of coincidence. Uh, purposefully yeah, yeah, perpendicularly,

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<v Speaker 4>just very importantly. There, I will say, met one Carl

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<v Speaker 4>von Linda, who would be his a big person in

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<v Speaker 4>his life, his employer at one point, and a mentor

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<v Speaker 4>and friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I get what you're trying to say. I can't think

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<v Speaker 2>of the word either, kind of like.

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<v Speaker 3>Auspiciously, like auspicious as fate would have it. No, it

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<v Speaker 3>is auspicious, right, predetermination, predestination someone I know, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of stuff people like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I like stuff, you should know, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot that I don't like about it too. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Where I was leading with that was from that point

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<v Speaker 4>where he met von Linda and was in school he

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<v Speaker 4>became fascinated by another proprietary epic engine, the steam engine

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<v Speaker 4>invented by Danny Steam.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. No, he came across the Carnov cycle, Right, Wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>that another thing that really kind of struck him floated

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<v Speaker 2>his boat?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, besides Danny Steam's invention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, the Carno cycle is this It is a

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<v Speaker 2>theoretical engine external combustion engine that where every bit of

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<v Speaker 2>energy put into it produces work, so it's one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent efficient. It's essentially impossible, but it's theoretically possible. And

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<v Speaker 2>that combined with auto's internal combustion engine, really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>came together to give Rudolph Diesel like his his purpose

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<v Speaker 2>in life, his mission in life. And then, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>when he fortuitously met Carl von Linz.

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<v Speaker 4>The word yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything came together because now he had a mentor of Haron,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who gave him a job right out of

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<v Speaker 2>right out of school. And when you take like the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that his family was using their luggage in London

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<v Speaker 2>as the furniture in their house, and his aunt and

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<v Speaker 2>uncle came a call in and said, let's just pluck

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<v Speaker 2>you out of this situation and put you on the

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<v Speaker 2>road to your destiny. And then you're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>forth and change the world. Literally, your invention is going

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<v Speaker 2>to fuel the Second Industrial Revolution and put us where

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<v Speaker 2>humans are today. You can largely thank Rudolph Diesel in

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<v Speaker 2>his invention for that. It's it's just mind boggling the

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<v Speaker 2>series of events that happened to do that, and the

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<v Speaker 2>effect that it had on the world.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. He moved back to Paris eventually in eighteen eighty

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<v Speaker 4>and like you said, he went to work for Carl

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<v Speaker 4>von Linde. I think it said Linda and I had.

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<v Speaker 2>I just imagine him being like a seventies mom.

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<v Speaker 4>I think German. It wouldn't be lend I think it

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<v Speaker 4>would be lind like with Ah at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but I don't know about Linda.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like Linda's bagels. He worked for for Lynd

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<v Speaker 4>as an ice guy. He had a ice machine company,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was all kinds of things. He was an

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<v Speaker 4>apprentice for a little while. He eventually became a salesperson

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<v Speaker 4>over this decade that he worked for him. But one

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<v Speaker 4>of the other cool facts, and this is the Jeopardy question,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe one of them. Ye, it's like, what other famous

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<v Speaker 4>thing did Rudolph Diesel invent? He invented and got a

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<v Speaker 4>patent for the ice cube.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. I was like when I saw that, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, wait, does that mean he invented the

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<v Speaker 2>ice cube? Yes, Indeed, Rudolph Diesel, the inventor of the

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<v Speaker 2>Diesel engine, also invented the ice cube.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which I guess is the means of I mean

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<v Speaker 4>maybe they just never thought of freezing ice in cubes before.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. But think about it, Chuck, we would be

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<v Speaker 2>lacking one quarter of NWA had Theodore Diesel not come

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<v Speaker 2>along or Rudolph Diesel not come along.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>So he graduated like like we kind of put the

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<v Speaker 2>car in front of the horse. But he graduated and

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<v Speaker 2>went on to get that job with Linda Carl von Linda.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he did graduate from school, he had the

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<v Speaker 2>highest grades in the history of the entire school. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why he was a very serious student.

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<v Speaker 2>He was not some even though he was well taken

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<v Speaker 2>care of and funded. He was you know, when he

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<v Speaker 2>had a scholarship, he worked his tail off and took

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<v Speaker 2>his his his studies very seriously. So this kid was

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<v Speaker 2>like he was pretty put together for you know, his age,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, So, you know I said he worked there

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<v Speaker 4>for a decade. Within that decade, for about six or

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<v Speaker 4>seven years of it, he after inventing the ice cube,

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<v Speaker 4>which would help found n w A and I guess

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<v Speaker 4>prevent from just being tea.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, or hot tea sure, or even tepid ta.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, tepid t. That's that's your refer name.

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<v Speaker 2>Reallypid t.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, neither hot nor cold.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to say it like you're slightly annoying, tepid tea.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly. He started working on engines again, this this

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<v Speaker 4>idea popped back into his head, this memory of the

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<v Speaker 4>Carno cycle of like, gosh, there's got to be a

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<v Speaker 4>way to make Danny Steam's engine more efficient. And for

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<v Speaker 4>about six or seven years he worked on and trying

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<v Speaker 4>to develop an ammonia powered heat engine. Ammonia was too volatile,

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<v Speaker 4>so he eventually ends up back in Berlin with his

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<v Speaker 4>By this time he had a wife, Martha and three

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<v Speaker 4>children and started working like in Earnest on the internal

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<v Speaker 4>combustion engine and I believe filed a patent in eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>ninety two.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I feel like we should take a break

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<v Speaker 2>and then come back and talk about like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how what what? Like this guy wasn't working in a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 2>so what environment? What world he was working? And when

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to come up with his diesel engine.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop you know, stop stop stop here? Should know no

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<v Speaker 1>stop you know stop stop stop here? Shouldn't know stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>You should know as w s K.

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<v Speaker 2>You should know, so, Chuck. I found a BBC article

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of put the stakes out there pretty well

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<v Speaker 2>about what was driving in part Rudolph Diesel's obsession with

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<v Speaker 2>creating a super efficient engine. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>they said was that there was a ton of horses.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they said in a city of five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people, there were probably one hundred thousand horses, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of them were walking around, pooping and peeing everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place. So an alternative to horse power

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<v Speaker 2>was very desirable, and we already had steam power, but

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<v Speaker 2>steam power had its own thing going on, and in

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<v Speaker 2>one way, one of the big weaknesses of steam powers

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<v Speaker 2>that it required tons and tons and tons of coal,

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<v Speaker 2>because you use coal to heat a boiler, to boil

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<v Speaker 2>water to create steam to run a piston, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the piston turns the chemical energy of the coal into

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<v Speaker 2>the mechanical work that turns something or makes something go

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<v Speaker 2>up and down or does whatever. Probably has something to

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<v Speaker 2>do with gears. I don't get it, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>already back in the eighteen sixties a book by a

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<v Speaker 2>guy named Stanley Jevin or Jivaon called The Coal Question,

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<v Speaker 2>and this guy was already warning about peak coal, essentially

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<v Speaker 2>pointing out like coal is a non renewable resource everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are using it really really fast. This guy

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<v Speaker 2>was already ringing the alarm about it. Rudolph Diesel was

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the kind of person who this whose ear was

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<v Speaker 2>out for this kind of thing. So in addition to

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<v Speaker 2>replacing the really inefficient steam engine, in addition to replacing

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<v Speaker 2>like letting the horses go retire and be put out

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<v Speaker 2>to pasture, and then also about you know, coming up

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<v Speaker 2>with something that doesn't use coal, all of these things

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<v Speaker 2>came together to kind of give him this mission in

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<v Speaker 2>this drive.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Absolutely. He went back idea wise, at least to

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<v Speaker 4>the auto engine again an internal combustion engine, but auto's

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<v Speaker 4>engine used a spark, like you know, a spark plug

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<v Speaker 4>to ignite the fuel, and Diesel still thought, there's got

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<v Speaker 4>to be a better way. I don't think we need

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<v Speaker 4>that spark. I think we can use highly compressed air

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<v Speaker 4>that gets so compressed and so hot it will ignite,

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<v Speaker 4>and ended up sort of using this idea from a

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<v Speaker 4>tinder box that he saw that was a base a

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<v Speaker 4>sparkless way to ignite tender and it was like a

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<v Speaker 4>sort of like a syringe. It was larger, it was

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<v Speaker 4>about the size of a like a bicycle pump, but

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<v Speaker 4>like a glass syringe that compressed air such that it

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<v Speaker 4>would eventually provide that ignition. And he was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>if it works there, it could work in an engine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the genius of all this is so again,

0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.240
<v Speaker 2>steam engines are powering the industrial revolution. They've done their thing,

0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.440
<v Speaker 2>They've completely changed the world. But again, they're really inefficient.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're about ten percent efficient. So ninety percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the energy in the coal is lost to heat

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<v Speaker 2>to the environment, only ten percent.

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<v Speaker 4>Terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, it's really really inefficient. And so one of

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<v Speaker 2>the geniuses of an internal combustion engine in the first place,

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<v Speaker 2>but also specifically Diesel's engine is it says, what if

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<v Speaker 2>we just got rid of all the stuff that led

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<v Speaker 2>up to that piston moving and just like make the

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<v Speaker 2>engine that piston. If you compress air enough, you're compressing

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<v Speaker 2>the molecules really tightly, really quickly. It causes them to

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<v Speaker 2>become excited, which causes them to put off heat, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you compress it enough, it produces enough heat that

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<v Speaker 2>it can ignite fuel in that piston. Causing the piston

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<v Speaker 2>to move up and down. And that's ultimately what you're

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<v Speaker 2>after is making that piston move up and down. So

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<v Speaker 2>he got rid of all that stuff, the piles of coal,

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<v Speaker 2>the big boiler full of steam, the steam itself, and

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<v Speaker 2>took the whole the whole process right to the piston itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And it worked really, really well.

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<v Speaker 4>It turned out, yeah, eventually, And you know, we should

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<v Speaker 4>probably talk a little bit about his big idea with this.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't just he had. He had other drives besides

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<v Speaker 4>making an engine that worked more efficiently. He was he

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<v Speaker 4>had this idea of helping the common person. And uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, while while Danny Steam's invention may have powered

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<v Speaker 4>the industrial Revolution, what what did it do for the

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<v Speaker 4>artisan in the countryside, or the craftsmen or the small

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<v Speaker 4>business person. And I think I can build an engine

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<v Speaker 4>that's small enough, that runs on cheap fuel, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>require much, if any maintenance if you're kind of keeping

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<v Speaker 4>up with it, or you know, repair as long as

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<v Speaker 4>you're maintaining it. Rather that it can revitalize the countryside

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<v Speaker 4>and make people in rural areas give them the same

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<v Speaker 4>sort of chance to succeed by having the power of

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<v Speaker 4>an engine at their disposal.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, because those steam engines were so big and

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<v Speaker 2>required so much labor, they just sucked people from the

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<v Speaker 2>countryside and consolidated them in the cities. And he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do the opposite. And so if you have a light, portable,

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<v Speaker 2>efficient engine that people in the rural areas can use, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, it give them put them on equal

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<v Speaker 2>footing with the industrialists of the city. But also you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned cheap fuel too. One of his dreams was to

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<v Speaker 2>make his diesel engine run on vegetable oil. Essentially biodiesel

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially what he was trying to do, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a viable idea for a really long time, basically

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<v Speaker 2>the entire time he was alive. And that would have

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<v Speaker 2>really given people in rural areas a leg up because

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<v Speaker 2>they could have grown their own fuel to power the

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<v Speaker 2>engines that they had at their disposal to run their

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<v Speaker 2>arts and crafts fares.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so he had big ideas he filed his patent,

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<v Speaker 4>he went to try and get funding, a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>skepticism obviously in the financial marketplace at the time, and

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<v Speaker 4>he got a couple of guys, Heinrich von Butz and

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<v Speaker 4>Friedrich Krup to give him some money. Von Botz, for

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<v Speaker 4>his part, was a managing director at Machine Fabric Alsberg

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<v Speaker 4>and also said, hey, you can take some of my

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<v Speaker 4>factory space to work on this stuff. So Rudolph moved

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<v Speaker 4>to Alsberg in eighteen ninety three started working on this

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<v Speaker 4>engine with that sort of tinderbox idea in mind. And

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<v Speaker 4>the one thing he couldn't figure out. He was like, a, no,

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<v Speaker 4>compressing air can ignite this thing, but I just don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how much pressure I'm gonna need. And for a

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<v Speaker 4>little while it got a little dangerous in that machine shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah there, I guess. There was no way to work

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<v Speaker 2>it out on paper. First. He had to figure it

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<v Speaker 2>out like in real.

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<v Speaker 4>Life by compressing air.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's essentially adding some combustible fluid to or fuel

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<v Speaker 2>to it. So he did that. His first working prototype

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<v Speaker 2>he demonstrated in the lab. I don't even know if

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<v Speaker 2>it was demonstration. I think they just tried it the

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<v Speaker 2>first time and the it compressed air so much I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>and produced so much heat that the engine blew up

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<v Speaker 2>and like you said, blue throughout the lab like pieces

0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.280
<v Speaker 2>of the engine went flying. But when like you can

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<v Speaker 2>just imagine in the movie, like they rise up from

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<v Speaker 2>behind like some big crate and everybody's hair standing on

0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and there's smoke coming off of there. He's like it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>In that he proved that if you compressed air you

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<v Speaker 2>could create he ate enough heat to ignite something. You

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<v Speaker 2>didn't need a spark, you didn't need coal or a boiler.

0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.399
<v Speaker 2>You like, his engine could work and it had just

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<v Speaker 2>been proven.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure. The second one went much better. It

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<v Speaker 4>did not explode. The third one was the big sort

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<v Speaker 4>of moment when the bell rang, it ran on kerosene.

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<v Speaker 4>He was thirty nine years old, which is pretty incredible

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<v Speaker 4>to think about, and felt comfortable enough to do a

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<v Speaker 4>public test on February seventeenth, eighteen ninety seven, in front

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<v Speaker 4>of an audience there at the Machine Fabric Factory for

0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.480
<v Speaker 4>the employees and engineers. A few other firms were there,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was a really big, big success. And he

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<v Speaker 4>in that he achieved not only a working engine, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was had a basically invisible and almost odorless exhaust

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<v Speaker 4>and reached an efficiency of twenty six point two percent

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<v Speaker 4>compared with Danny Steams measly ten percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're like, well that's you know, not that

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<v Speaker 2>much better. That is a mind boggling improvement in efficiency

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<v Speaker 2>over the existing technology that was just out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 2>It was revolutionary. And like you said, I think Friedrich Krup.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that how you pronounced his last name? Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>was an early investor, And I was like, that name

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<v Speaker 2>sounds very familiar. And I went and looked him up

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<v Speaker 2>on Wikipedia, in honor of my reformed view of Wikipedia,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found out that it was, in fact who

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<v Speaker 2>I've been calling Krupp, the same Krupper Krup family that

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<v Speaker 2>gave rise to the Tyson Krup International mega conglomerate from Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be okay, so Tyson Krup, you're familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>that company, right, They're just enormous?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Two, Yeah, that's right. And so I was reading a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about Friedrich Croup on Wikipedia and little known

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<v Speaker 2>fact he used to write a giraffe everywhere he went.

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<v Speaker 4>As you do. I have a few quotes if I may,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's really hard to overstate, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 4>what a leap forward this was in technology. One of

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<v Speaker 4>his biographers, a man named It's last name is a Brunt,

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:25.360
<v Speaker 4>said it was the most disruptive technology in history. Winston

0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.400
<v Speaker 4>Churchill called it the most perfect maritime masterpiece of the century.

0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:31.760
<v Speaker 4>And if you're wondering what maritime has to do with it,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll get to that. And then no less than Edison

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<v Speaker 4>said it was one of the greatest achievements of mankind.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's how big of a deal the diesel engine was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And again, so Rudolph is like, like, this is happening,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm making this happen like this, the people in

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<v Speaker 2>the country, in the rural countryside are going to be saved,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this whole industrialization thing is going to be reversed

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of mellowed out and smooth dover, and the

0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>world's going to be saved, essentially. And it just did

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<v Speaker 2>not quite go that way. I mean, just the very

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he had wincient triciall weighing in on how

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<v Speaker 2>great it was kind of gives you an indication that

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<v Speaker 2>it did not go the way that he wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well, one thing that did go the way he

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<v Speaker 4>wanted was he made a ton of money off this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Once he had a working prototype, people started literally lining

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<v Speaker 4>up to get a license for this thing, just a

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<v Speaker 4>license to build it. Like they had to figure out

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<v Speaker 4>how to build it and how to mass produce it

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<v Speaker 4>and everything. But he ended up selling twenty two different

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<v Speaker 4>licenses over a two year period in eighteen ninety seven

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<v Speaker 4>and eighteen ninety eight alone to people like Watson and

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<v Speaker 4>Yarn and Yarien in Scotland. Augustus Bush bought the United

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<v Speaker 4>States and Canadian license for what would be nine million

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 4>dollars today, basically fiat in Italy, like people are buying

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 4>licenses hand over fist basically. And eventually he would even

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 4>sell all of his rights and patents to the General

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<v Speaker 4>Diesel Company for three and a half million marks. And

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to convert that to US dollars in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you get?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you try?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>What did you get?

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I got eleven and a half million US dollars today?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh boy, I got three hundred and fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, you could be right. I went

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<v Speaker 2>to a German inflation calculator first and converted three and

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<v Speaker 2>a half million marks from eighteen ninety eight to two

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty three or twenty four dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Marks and then all the euros now though.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But there was a selection you could chase convert

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<v Speaker 2>it to euros or Marx Deutsche marks.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, and I clicked deutsch marks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost positive. And then I took that and exchanged

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<v Speaker 2>at today's rate for US dollars. That's how I came

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<v Speaker 2>up with it. But I mean, you know, me and math,

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<v Speaker 2>you're proud wrecking buttons and stuff like that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>that good.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think your methodology was better. What I did

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<v Speaker 4>was I went back to see what the Deutsche mark

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<v Speaker 4>to the US dollar was in nineteen or in eighteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight, and pulled a few economists.

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<v Speaker 4>I converted that to US dollars front to eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 4>eight US dollars and then did a calculation. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>probably that's good, the wrong methodology, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's crazy that they would be so wildly,

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<v Speaker 2>so wildly off. So what was yours? Like three hundred million? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and mine was like eleven year. Let's split the difference

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<v Speaker 2>and saved about one hundred and sixty million marks or

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<v Speaker 2>US dollars today.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think your I think your methodology is better.

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<v Speaker 4>But either way, he made a lot of money off

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<v Speaker 4>of this thing. It ran off of, like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>potentially vegetable oil. But you know, kerosene, peanut oil, all

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 4>kinds of things, and it was or could have been

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<v Speaker 4>a boon to the you know, this big idea that

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<v Speaker 4>he had of the people in the countryside, had it

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<v Speaker 4>not been for the Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, one of the things that all of these international

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 2>companies who had licensed the right to make diesel engines

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 2>were supposed to do was, as they were developing their

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 2>own versions, any technological breakthroughs were supposed to be shared

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<v Speaker 2>with all the other licensees, So the diesel engine itself

0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 2>would be cooperatively developed internationally, kind of like a human

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 2>undertaking among the global community. And I guess that worked

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 2>for a little while. But then, like you said, when

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<v Speaker 2>the First World War started to come around, intentions rose.

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.640
<v Speaker 2>The diesel engine came to be the center of an

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 2>arms race between the UK and Germany. And despite being

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<v Speaker 2>German of German heritage, a German citizen, having created the

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:46.400
<v Speaker 2>diesel engine in Germany, Rudolph Diesel was not a fan

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 2>of the Kaiser, was not a fan of the ultranationalism

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 2>that was starting to develop in Germany that helped lead

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the world to World War One. And he's like, I

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the UK and where they're coming from

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>these days, I'm going to move there and actually helped

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>them with their arms race to create the diesel engines

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>that will be used to power this new scary technology

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 2>called submarines.

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. In nineteen twelve he co founded the Consolidated Diesel

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:17.160
<v Speaker 4>Engine Company with a British engineer named George Correll's and

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.120
<v Speaker 4>the submarine. And that's why Churchill said it's the most

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 4>perfect maritime masterpiece of the century. Is all of a sudden,

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 4>you had submarines that didn't require tons and tons of

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.119
<v Speaker 4>coal on board, tons and tons of soldiers to shovel

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 4>that coal, these big dangerous coal ovens. You had this

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:39.239
<v Speaker 4>like super efficient engine inside this thing. It was like

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 4>it totally revolutionized how submarines operated and thus how the

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:44.880
<v Speaker 4>war went.

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I looked up George Correll's too on Wikipedia, and

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 2>apparently he was known to giggle like a schoolgirl at

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 2>dirty jokes. Really no, no, I'm making a comment on

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>wikiped but I'm just kidding.

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 4>Crap.

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. It wasn't intended to mislead you. I I

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 2>it was really a targeted It was targeted at Wikipedia.

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Part of the reason that always works is because you're

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 4>so good at digging up these arcane facts. So I

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 4>tend to just be like, holy cow, listen to that.

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's really something. Giggled like a school girl.

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 4>You say, I just got joshed.

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. You got caught in the drag net, is

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:27.719
<v Speaker 2>what it was.

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 4>So, uh, should we take another break?

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:31.959
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 4>All right, let's take another break. We'll talk a little

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 4>bit more about diesel.

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Stop you know, stop stood stop here? Shouldn't know no,

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>stop you know stop stood stop here, shouldn't know stop

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 1>you should know as why why.

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Sk sk?

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>But tough he should know.

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 4>So while all this is happening, I mentioned that he

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 4>got married and had three kids. They were all in

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 4>Berlin together in eighteen ninety. But when he moved to Alsberg,

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 4>like I said, to develop this engine, he left his

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 4>family behind for five years. Then the family moved to Munich,

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 4>and then finally he said, you know, we got to

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 4>reunite the family. I'm going to build my magnificent, most

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 4>magnificent idea. Aside from that engine, sure will be this

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 4>mansion from architect Max Littman. And it was. It was

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 4>quite a mansion. And in fact, even though he had

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 4>a lot of money, the way things turned out with

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 4>him financially, I dare say that he overdid it a bit.

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>There was a bike track, indoor bike track for his kids.

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean state of the arts stuff. One, yeah, two, three, four.

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Five bathrooms a lot for back then for sure. And

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking out houses, I mean bathroom.

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean I don't have five bathrooms in his twenty

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 4>twenty four.

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>There was a staff. It's not that impressive because everybody

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 2>had a staff back then.

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, I don't have a staff.

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 2>But still it was like it was a big deal.

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>And not only was it a beautiful, amazing, advanced mansion

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 2>that he helped design, this put a inder, a punctuation

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 2>mark on years of living away from his family in

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 2>different countries, like dedicating his life to this diesel engine

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and taking good care of them for what I could understand,

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>but not being a part of the family. He was

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 2>a part of creating the diesel engine. And so by

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>building this mansion, he was coming back home, coming back

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 2>to his family and starting a new chapter, restarting an

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 2>important chapter of his life.

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it was a chapter marked by some poor health.

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 4>I saw that he got migraines, suffered from migraines, gout.

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 4>I know that he dropped a ton of money on

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 4>this mansion. I don't think that ruined him or anything.

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 4>But he also made some bad financial investments apparently, and

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 4>they're kind of conflicting stories about how bad off the

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 4>family was. But as we'll see in the end, it

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 4>turns out that they weren't doing so great in the

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 4>financial department after all.

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 2>No, I saw it. Yeah, I saw a lot of

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>his early engines did not work very well. They weren't reliable,

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and so there was a lot of customers that wanted

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 2>their money back initially. So, like you said, there's a

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>big debate over just how bad off they were in

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Douglas Brunt, one of his recent biographers from twenty twenty

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 2>four is at odds with a biographer from the seventies

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 2>named John Frederick Moon. Moons like he was destitute and desperate.

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>This guy was in dire financial streets. Douglas Brunt, who

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>again wrote much more recently forty years, six fifty years

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>more recently, good God, he was like, No, actually, I

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 2>think that this was like an eighteen nineties phase and

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that you know, after the turn of the century, started

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to make his money back again, and that he was

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>on okay financial footing.

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was still really wrapped up in this this

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 4>big idea of you know, saving the common person. In

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 4>nineteen oh three, he wrote a book called or published

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 4>one and at least in nineteen oh three called Solidarity

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 4>Colon even back then the Rational Economic Salvation of mankind

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 4>when he talked about, you know, sort of this basically

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 4>socialist ideas that he you know, of of the class

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 4>division being you know, not not a good thing. And

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 4>unfortunately nobody I don't think it was a very good book.

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 4>No one really read it much.

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 2>No tell him what that wonder seems like?

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 4>I said, Yeah, there was one review that called it

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 4>a real pain to read.

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>That's not a glowing review, No know what you're looking for.

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 2>But in writing that book in conjunction with Create the

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Diesel Engine, he was quoted as having said that he

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>solved the social question like he's like, here's the engine,

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 2>here's what we're trying to do. I basically just saved

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the world. And he said that he was able to

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>do what all the nations combined were unable to throw

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 2>out the Rockefellers, and it just did not happen that way.

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, when did he publish.

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 4>That book nineteen oh three, nineteen oh three.

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Over the next ten years, he was still in a

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 2>position and his engine was still in a position that

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't entirely clear which way it was going to go.

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't World War one fully yet, it was just

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>the very beginning of it. I think there was still

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>a really good chance that diesel engines would run on

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 2>vegetable oil. It was very much up in the air.

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And in September of nineteen thirteen September twenty ninth, I

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>believe he went on a fateful trip more than a

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>three hour toer, but it was it's not that much,

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 2>more like less than twenty four hours, I think, to

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.479
<v Speaker 2>go do a groundbreaking of the company that he co

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>founded with George Carrell's.

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I got a named Alfred Laucom, who was another

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 4>engineer who was a pal of theirs. And a few

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 4>days before this, we should mention that he right before

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 4>he went on this trip, he gave his wife a

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 4>brand new overnight bag and said, here's this bag, don't

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 4>open it until next week. Very mysterious thing to do.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 4>But he went to Ghent and got on the S. S.

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Dresden on the twenty ninth with those three other two guys,

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 4>had dinner with them. Seemed like they had a good

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 4>time and they were all in good spirits. Then he

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 4>was like, all right, dinner's over. I'm gonna go to bed,

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 4>and he was never seen again. No.

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 2>The next morning, his companions, George Carrell's and Alfred they

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>went to go rouse him and say hey, let's party

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>this morning, and he didn't answer. So they went in

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>his room. His bed was not slept in, His nightclothes

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>were laid out on the bed, his travel bag was there,

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>his watch was on his travel bag, and he was

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 2>just nowhere to be found. So they informed the captain

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 2>who had the ship searched, and in short order they

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>found his coat and hat on deck near a railing,

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 2>and his coat had been neatly folded. Just not a

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>good sign. And when they made land in London, he

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 2>was just not there. He was no longer on the ship.

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>At some point somewhere in the English Channel, almost to

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 2>the North Sea, Rudolph Diesel just vanished off the SS Dresden.

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 4>That's right. And what was in that leather bag that

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 4>he gave his wife.

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Twenty thousand German marks. No idea how much that is

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 2>in today's US dollars, but it was a significant amount

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>of money.

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 4>Let's say there was a lot of money. And there

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 4>were also financial records basically showing that they were broke.

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 4>So that sort of seen, at least at this point

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 4>in his life, puts to rest the question that they

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 4>were financial troubles. Yeah, so you know, here's some money,

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 4>but our accounts are empty. The disappearance was a very

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 4>big deal, obviously, and right away because he had made

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 4>a lot of enemies. The Kaiser Wilhelm did not like him.

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 4>John D. Rockefeller did not like him, and there were,

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, people saying like, could one of them had

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 4>him killed? Is it foul play? Was it just an accident?

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.760
<v Speaker 4>Was it a suicide? Like no one, no one knew

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 4>and seemingly no one knows for sure, even though most

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 4>people agreed that it was suicide.

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the folded coat kind of says something that it

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>wasn't just falling overboard. That kind of goes away with

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 2>that one. And that was the initial one too, because

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>he had he had been said to have been in

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 2>high spirits. George Carrell said that after dinner, as they

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.919
<v Speaker 2>walked some. They walked him back to his state room.

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 2>He said, I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah, another evidence or

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>another bit against the idea that it was suicide. His watch,

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>like I said, it was set on his bag, but

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it was laid out in such a way that he

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>could see what time it was when he would be

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 2>laying down in bed. Not something you do.

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 4>You don't drop up your watch.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like you don't really go to that trouble if

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:22.919
<v Speaker 2>you don't think that. If you think like I'm going

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>to at my life in a couple hours, that doesn't matter.

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 2>And then George Crels also told The New York Times

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.719
<v Speaker 2>that he did that Rudolph did not suffer from giddiness.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I guess that means that he would not have answered

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the call of the void, is what he was saying.

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this whole idea of murder, none of it really

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 4>holds up to scrutiny when you investigate either the fact

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 4>that the Germans came after him because he didn't help

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 4>them build, you know, their engines for the submarines for

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 4>the war, or Rockefeller. So those generally don't hold up

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 4>when you look into him more closely. And like I said,

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 4>most people say it was suicide, but they're the the

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 4>what was his first name, Brent's name, Douglas Douglas Brunt,

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 4>who wrote the Maurice biography as a theory that he

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 4>did not die at all and that he was it

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 4>was sort of faked, basically by the British, and he

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:18.280
<v Speaker 4>was shuttled away to Canada where he could continue working

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:19.439
<v Speaker 4>on these engines for the war.

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was a New York Times article in nineteen

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>fourteen that said as much that he'd been rumored to

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 2>be working in Canada. That is probably not true because

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.480
<v Speaker 2>about eleven days, I think eleven days after he went missing,

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>a body washed up. So okay, it depends on who

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you ask me or Chuck. It turns out his body

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:43.919
<v Speaker 2>that turned up at the mouth of a Dutch river

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 2>and was taken ashore and taken into town and was

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 2>identified or viewed by one of his sons as almost

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 2>certainly his dad, but not a positive identification because it

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 2>was too decomposed.

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 4>Or I don't think the Dutch river part is debated.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:04.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I thought it was. I thought they were out

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>to sea.

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I saw everywhere I saw. It was

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 4>at the mouth of a Dutch River. He was just

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 4>pulled out of the water. But I saw in a

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 4>lot of places, including the Brunt's biography, that the body

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<v Speaker 4>was returned to the water because it was just so

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<v Speaker 4>unrecognizable and you know, rotted by that point, which is

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<v Speaker 4>really gross that they put the body back in the

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<v Speaker 4>sea but kept the belongings that he had. That I

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<v Speaker 4>saw also disputed. I saw that there were everything from

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<v Speaker 4>glasses case to a pocket, pin knife to a pillbox,

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<v Speaker 4>and I even saw one say that was an ID

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<v Speaker 4>card recovered. I don't think that's true, because that's literal

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<v Speaker 4>positive identification unless it's you know, planted on somebody to

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<v Speaker 4>make it seem like a suicide. Other most places I

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<v Speaker 4>saw didn't mention an ID card, but they did say

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<v Speaker 4>that the sun identified the items and said, yeah, those

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<v Speaker 4>are my Debt's things.

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<v Speaker 2>And then mysteriously among his possessions was found the tooth

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<v Speaker 2>of a giraffe.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, You're like, no, that's the one truth, right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's no one knows what happened to him.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no solution to that puzzle. Yeah, I'm going with

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<v Speaker 2>that was his body, you think, Yeah, suicide probably everything

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<v Speaker 2>I saw was that he was in dire financial straits.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean plenty of people have died by suicide

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<v Speaker 2>for that reason. Sure, so it's it's entirely possible. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know enough to be like, yep, that's it, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably where I lean.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, well, regardless of what happened, the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the invention of that engine was h you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>heard the quotes that changed the history of the world

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<v Speaker 4>in a lot of ways and such that it just

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<v Speaker 4>a cup years ago. In twenty twenty two, a full

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<v Speaker 4>ninety six percent of trucks in the EU run on

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<v Speaker 4>diesel engines. And here in America it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>different because we've been had a love hate relationship with

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<v Speaker 4>diesel over the years as far as trying to phase

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<v Speaker 4>it out or other people saying, no, it's a superior fuel,

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<v Speaker 4>But about twenty three percent of fuel in the US

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<v Speaker 4>is diesel fuel still.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the reason why people say it's superior is

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<v Speaker 2>because even though there's more CO two, there's more carbon

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<v Speaker 2>in diesel fuel. Diesel burns more efficiently than gas, so

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<v Speaker 2>it actually releases less CO two than gas does, even

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<v Speaker 2>though there's more CO two. And diesel because less is

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<v Speaker 2>burned over the course of say fifty miles or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So it's true, but still it does it

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<v Speaker 2>is a polluter. If you're trying to get away from

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<v Speaker 2>fossil fuels, diesels included in there too.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember having a couple of friends back in the

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<v Speaker 4>day that had like a hand me down old you know,

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<v Speaker 4>seventies Mercedes Benz Diesel from their parents or something or

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:06.959
<v Speaker 4>their grandpa grandpa died and they got one of those

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<v Speaker 4>you know, chuggy engines. I just remember they were very

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<v Speaker 4>loud and it seemed like they just did nothing but

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<v Speaker 4>spew black smokes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, the diesel smoke is just so noxious too.

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<v Speaker 4>It seemed like it. I mean, maybe they were old

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<v Speaker 4>cars or not running right. I have no idea, but

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<v Speaker 4>that's sort of my only memory of diesel engines.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm with you, Yeah, they're still like that. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to know more about Diesel and his engine,

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<v Speaker 2>then just go read Douglas Brunt's book on it. And

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<v Speaker 2>since I mentioned Douglas Brunt for the one last time,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time for listener maw.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna call this Harvard follow up with the old

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<v Speaker 4>Puritans episode. Hey guys, in your recent episode of Puritans,

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<v Speaker 4>you mentioned the founding of Harvard. I'm a graduate of

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<v Speaker 4>the Divinity School and learned an interesting tidbit. I believe

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<v Speaker 4>it was in the sixties and the Divinity School had

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<v Speaker 4>fallen on kind of hard times. Enrollment was down, wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>attracting the best students or teachers, so Harvard had the

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 4>sensible business idea of selling it off. The court declared, though,

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<v Speaker 4>that if Harvard sold the Divinity School, the university would

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<v Speaker 4>have to close its doors, because the original charter states

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<v Speaker 4>at the purpose to be educating a quote learned learned

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<v Speaker 4>clergy end quote. So if they stopped doing that, the

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<v Speaker 4>school was no longer following its charter. Another wise choice. Later,

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<v Speaker 4>the university doubled down at support, and some three decades

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<v Speaker 4>or so after, it was the institution in which I

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<v Speaker 4>spent three years on my way to a Master's of Divinity.

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<v Speaker 4>During orientation, the dean of the school said to us,

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<v Speaker 4>you all belong here. So either we are not as

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<v Speaker 4>elite as you had assumed, or you were brighter than

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<v Speaker 4>you had thought. Either way, you belong here. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>What a great message.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretty cool. Keep up the great work guys. You

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<v Speaker 4>are you guys are a gift in such divided and

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<v Speaker 4>divisive times. Thanks for that. That is from Eric Wickstrom.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Eric, Reverend Eric Wickstrom, Thanks Reverend reverends. That's funny

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<v Speaker 2>that mention of how attendance was down in the sixties

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<v Speaker 2>so much that they were going to sell the Divinity

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<v Speaker 2>School reminded me of Reverend Lovejoy's origin story from The Simpsons,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was saying it was the early seventies. The

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<v Speaker 2>sixties were over and people were ready to feel bad

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<v Speaker 2>about themselves again.

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<v Speaker 4>So good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you want to be like Reverend Eric, you

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