1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: Chuck and Benz here sitting in for Jerry, and this 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 2: is stuff you should know? 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 3: What you know? 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: I kind of pick up the. 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 4: Ball the baton. We are doing an episode today on 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 4: Rudolph Diesel, invention of our inventor of the diesel engine. 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 4: And this was prepared for us by Anna Green, one 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 4: of our writers, and edited a great job, very exhaustive. Look, 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 4: but this was a listener suggestion and I went back 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 4: to look at who it was, and it turns out 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 4: there were three emails over the past like a couple 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 4: of years to investigate Rudolph Diesel. Scott Simpson, I don't 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 4: think my friend Scott Simpson, who's also a comedian but 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: who knows okay, Christian Coiner and then very mysteriously Leo 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 4: and Jenny Oh No, last name yeah, Leo and Jenny. 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 4: The last name isn't in Jenny. 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: Right, No, the middle initial is in in the last 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: name is Jenny. 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. So thanks for these suggestions, because this was I 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 4: didn't know anything about the guy, didn't know anything about 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 4: the diesel engine, and now I feel good enough to 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 4: get a Jeopardy answer or two correct. 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: For sure, Yeah, call us ken. I had no idea 26 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: about this either. I didn't realize that diesel is technically 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: a proprietary eponym, or at least a proper noun. If 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: you see like that Diesel engine, the d should be 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: capitalized because it was invented. It's named after its inventor, 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: Rudolph Diesel, who was working around the turn of the 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: last century and a little bit before, a little bit after. 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: And he was a German kid born in Paris to 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: a father who well, his father was a bit of 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: a character, as we'll see in some of the worst ways. 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: But who was He was an interesting person who made 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: his own way in the world and changed it radically. 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: The irony is he changed it in ways that were 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: the opposite of what he wanted to or how we 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: wanted to change the world. 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. And like many inventors, his story starts 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 4: out as a child who was sort of obsessed with 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 4: figuring out how things worked. A tinkerer who would take 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 4: apart things. We've heard the story kind of time and 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 4: time again. Someone who would like disassemble things in their house, 45 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: put them back together. As a kid in Paris, he 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 4: was working for his dad a lot of the time 47 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: or in school, and in eighteen sixty seven came across 48 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: his first internal combustion engine at the Paris World's Fair 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: when he saw the auto engine, Nicholas Auto's coal gas engine, 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 4: like I said, at the World's Fair. 51 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was a big deal. Other people had 52 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: invented internal combustion engines before, but Nicholas Auto's was like 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: the culmination of it. It was like the real deal. So 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: the fact that it really struck young Rudolph Diesel, this 55 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: would have been oh he would have been fifteen, nineteen, No, 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: he would have been nine. 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 58 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: Imagine being a nine year old kid and seeing an 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: internal combustion engine and saying to yourself, this is what 60 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: I want to dedicate my life. 61 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the. 62 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: Kind of kid. Theodore Diesel was right. And again it 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: was a big deal that he saw this engine, or 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: I should say the engine itself was a big deal. 65 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: But they didn't stick around Paris for much longer. That 66 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: was eighteen sixty seven. Within three years, the Franco Prussian 67 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: War broke out and the Diesel family said we need 68 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: to get out of France. Let's move to London, and 69 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: they did, and the whole family took a downward turn 70 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: from there. 71 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I get the idea that it was 72 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: just sort of moved uprooted and moved to a new 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: country and had a lot of time getting good work 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: because their family did not live well there, thankfully at 75 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: least for Rudolph. A few months after getting there, he 76 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: was twelve at the time and uncle said, come back 77 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: to Germany, come back to Ausburg, live with us. Your 78 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: uncle here, Christophe Barnacle, will help pay for your schooling. 79 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 4: He enrolled at the Royal County Trade School for three 80 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: years while his family stayed in London. So when he 81 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 4: graduated in eighteen sixty five, his dad said, hey, need 82 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 4: you to come back to London and get some get 83 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 4: a job and help us out, like your schooling is over. 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: Rudolph said nine, I'm gonna stay here. I want to 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: be an engineer, which means I need to keep going 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: to school. So he denied his father and enrolled at 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 4: the Technicia Hochschuler Munschen there in what we call Munich, Germany. 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 4: He got a scholarship to go there and very the 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 4: word I'm looking for when something happens, it's very important 90 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 4: and auspicious. 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: No, resolute, No. 92 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 4: Not that sort of the opposite of coincidence. Uh, purposefully yeah, yeah, perpendicularly, 93 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 4: just very importantly. There, I will say, met one Carl 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 4: von Linda, who would be his a big person in 95 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: his life, his employer at one point, and a mentor 96 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 4: and friend. 97 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: I get what you're trying to say. I can't think 98 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: of the word either, kind of like. 99 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: Auspiciously, like auspicious as fate would have it. No, it 100 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: is auspicious, right, predetermination, predestination someone I know, this is 101 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: the kind of stuff people like. 102 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, I like stuff, you should know, but there's 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: a lot that I don't like about it too. You know. 104 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: Where I was leading with that was from that point 105 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 4: where he met von Linda and was in school he 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: became fascinated by another proprietary epic engine, the steam engine 107 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 4: invented by Danny Steam. 108 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: Right. No, he came across the Carnov cycle, Right, Wasn't 109 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: that another thing that really kind of struck him floated 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: his boat? 111 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, besides Danny Steam's invention. 112 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the Carno cycle is this It is a 113 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: theoretical engine external combustion engine that where every bit of 114 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: energy put into it produces work, so it's one hundred 115 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: percent efficient. It's essentially impossible, but it's theoretically possible. And 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: that combined with auto's internal combustion engine, really kind of 117 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: came together to give Rudolph Diesel like his his purpose 118 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: in life, his mission in life. And then, like you said, 119 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: when he fortuitously met Carl von Linz. 120 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 4: The word yeah. 121 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: Everything came together because now he had a mentor of Haron, 122 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: a guy who gave him a job right out of 123 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: right out of school. And when you take like the 124 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: fact that his family was using their luggage in London 125 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: as the furniture in their house, and his aunt and 126 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: uncle came a call in and said, let's just pluck 127 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: you out of this situation and put you on the 128 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: road to your destiny. And then you're going to go 129 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: forth and change the world. Literally, your invention is going 130 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: to fuel the Second Industrial Revolution and put us where 131 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: humans are today. You can largely thank Rudolph Diesel in 132 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: his invention for that. It's it's just mind boggling the 133 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: series of events that happened to do that, and the 134 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: effect that it had on the world. 135 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: No. 136 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: Absolutely. He moved back to Paris eventually in eighteen eighty 137 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: and like you said, he went to work for Carl 138 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: von Linde. I think it said Linda and I had. 139 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: I just imagine him being like a seventies mom. 140 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: I think German. It wouldn't be lend I think it 141 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: would be lind like with Ah at the end. 142 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: Sure, but I don't know about Linda. 143 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: You know, like Linda's bagels. He worked for for Lynd 144 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: as an ice guy. He had a ice machine company, 145 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 4: and he was all kinds of things. He was an 146 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 4: apprentice for a little while. He eventually became a salesperson 147 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: over this decade that he worked for him. But one 148 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: of the other cool facts, and this is the Jeopardy question, 149 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: maybe one of them. Ye, it's like, what other famous 150 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: thing did Rudolph Diesel invent? He invented and got a 151 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 4: patent for the ice cube. 152 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I was like when I saw that, I 153 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: was like, well, wait, does that mean he invented the 154 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: ice cube? Yes, Indeed, Rudolph Diesel, the inventor of the 155 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: Diesel engine, also invented the ice cube. 156 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, which I guess is the means of I mean 157 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: maybe they just never thought of freezing ice in cubes before. 158 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: I guess. But think about it, Chuck, we would be 159 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: lacking one quarter of NWA had Theodore Diesel not come 160 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: along or Rudolph Diesel not come along. 161 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: That's a good point. 162 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: So he graduated like like we kind of put the 163 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: car in front of the horse. But he graduated and 164 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: went on to get that job with Linda Carl von Linda. 165 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 2: But when he did graduate from school, he had the 166 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: highest grades in the history of the entire school. One 167 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: of the reasons why he was a very serious student. 168 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: He was not some even though he was well taken 169 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: care of and funded. He was you know, when he 170 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: had a scholarship, he worked his tail off and took 171 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: his his his studies very seriously. So this kid was 172 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 2: like he was pretty put together for you know, his age, 173 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: for sure. 174 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So, you know I said he worked there 175 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 4: for a decade. Within that decade, for about six or 176 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: seven years of it, he after inventing the ice cube, 177 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: which would help found n w A and I guess 178 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: prevent from just being tea. 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 2: Right, or hot tea sure, or even tepid ta. 180 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: Right, tepid t. That's that's your refer name. 181 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: Reallypid t. 182 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, neither hot nor cold. 183 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: You have to say it like you're slightly annoying, tepid tea. 184 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. He started working on engines again, this this 185 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 4: idea popped back into his head, this memory of the 186 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: Carno cycle of like, gosh, there's got to be a 187 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: way to make Danny Steam's engine more efficient. And for 188 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 4: about six or seven years he worked on and trying 189 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 4: to develop an ammonia powered heat engine. Ammonia was too volatile, 190 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 4: so he eventually ends up back in Berlin with his 191 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 4: By this time he had a wife, Martha and three 192 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: children and started working like in Earnest on the internal 193 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: combustion engine and I believe filed a patent in eighteen 194 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 4: ninety two. 195 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I feel like we should take a break 196 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: and then come back and talk about like, you know, 197 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: how what what? Like this guy wasn't working in a vacuum, 198 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: so what environment? What world he was working? And when 199 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: he was trying to come up with his diesel engine. 200 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 4: All right, let's do it. 201 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: Stop you know, stop stop stop here? Should know no 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: stop you know stop stop stop here? Shouldn't know stuff? 203 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: You should know as w s K. 204 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: You should know, so, Chuck. I found a BBC article 205 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: that kind of put the stakes out there pretty well 206 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: about what was driving in part Rudolph Diesel's obsession with 207 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: creating a super efficient engine. And one of the things 208 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: they said was that there was a ton of horses. 209 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: I think they said in a city of five hundred 210 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: thousand people, there were probably one hundred thousand horses, and 211 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: all of them were walking around, pooping and peeing everywhere, 212 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: all over the place. So an alternative to horse power 213 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: was very desirable, and we already had steam power, but 214 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: steam power had its own thing going on, and in 215 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: one way, one of the big weaknesses of steam powers 216 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: that it required tons and tons and tons of coal, 217 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: because you use coal to heat a boiler, to boil 218 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: water to create steam to run a piston, and then 219 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: the piston turns the chemical energy of the coal into 220 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: the mechanical work that turns something or makes something go 221 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 2: up and down or does whatever. Probably has something to 222 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: do with gears. I don't get it, but there was 223 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 2: already back in the eighteen sixties a book by a 224 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: guy named Stanley Jevin or Jivaon called The Coal Question, 225 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: and this guy was already warning about peak coal, essentially 226 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 2: pointing out like coal is a non renewable resource everybody, 227 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: and we are using it really really fast. This guy 228 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: was already ringing the alarm about it. Rudolph Diesel was 229 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: exactly the kind of person who this whose ear was 230 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: out for this kind of thing. So in addition to 231 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 2: replacing the really inefficient steam engine, in addition to replacing 232 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: like letting the horses go retire and be put out 233 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: to pasture, and then also about you know, coming up 234 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: with something that doesn't use coal, all of these things 235 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: came together to kind of give him this mission in 236 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: this drive. 237 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. He went back idea wise, at least to 238 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: the auto engine again an internal combustion engine, but auto's 239 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 4: engine used a spark, like you know, a spark plug 240 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 4: to ignite the fuel, and Diesel still thought, there's got 241 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 4: to be a better way. I don't think we need 242 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: that spark. I think we can use highly compressed air 243 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 4: that gets so compressed and so hot it will ignite, 244 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: and ended up sort of using this idea from a 245 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 4: tinder box that he saw that was a base a 246 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: sparkless way to ignite tender and it was like a 247 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,599 Speaker 4: sort of like a syringe. It was larger, it was 248 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 4: about the size of a like a bicycle pump, but 249 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 4: like a glass syringe that compressed air such that it 250 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 4: would eventually provide that ignition. And he was like, hey, 251 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 4: if it works there, it could work in an engine. 252 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the genius of all this is so again, 253 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: steam engines are powering the industrial revolution. They've done their thing, 254 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: They've completely changed the world. But again, they're really inefficient. 255 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: I think they're about ten percent efficient. So ninety percent 256 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: of the energy in the coal is lost to heat 257 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: to the environment, only ten percent. 258 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: Terrible. 259 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's really really inefficient. And so one of 260 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: the geniuses of an internal combustion engine in the first place, 261 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: but also specifically Diesel's engine is it says, what if 262 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: we just got rid of all the stuff that led 263 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: up to that piston moving and just like make the 264 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: engine that piston. If you compress air enough, you're compressing 265 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: the molecules really tightly, really quickly. It causes them to 266 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: become excited, which causes them to put off heat, and 267 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: if you compress it enough, it produces enough heat that 268 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: it can ignite fuel in that piston. Causing the piston 269 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: to move up and down. And that's ultimately what you're 270 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: after is making that piston move up and down. So 271 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: he got rid of all that stuff, the piles of coal, 272 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: the big boiler full of steam, the steam itself, and 273 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: took the whole the whole process right to the piston itself. 274 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: And it worked really, really well. 275 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: It turned out, yeah, eventually, And you know, we should 276 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 4: probably talk a little bit about his big idea with this. 277 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: It wasn't just he had. He had other drives besides 278 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: making an engine that worked more efficiently. He was he 279 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: had this idea of helping the common person. And uh, 280 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 4: you know, while while Danny Steam's invention may have powered 281 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: the industrial Revolution, what what did it do for the 282 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: artisan in the countryside, or the craftsmen or the small 283 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: business person. And I think I can build an engine 284 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 4: that's small enough, that runs on cheap fuel, that doesn't 285 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: require much, if any maintenance if you're kind of keeping 286 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: up with it, or you know, repair as long as 287 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 4: you're maintaining it. Rather that it can revitalize the countryside 288 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: and make people in rural areas give them the same 289 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: sort of chance to succeed by having the power of 290 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 4: an engine at their disposal. 291 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because those steam engines were so big and 292 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: required so much labor, they just sucked people from the 293 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: countryside and consolidated them in the cities. And he wanted 294 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: to do the opposite. And so if you have a light, portable, 295 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: efficient engine that people in the rural areas can use, yeah, 296 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: like you said, it give them put them on equal 297 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: footing with the industrialists of the city. But also you 298 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: mentioned cheap fuel too. One of his dreams was to 299 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: make his diesel engine run on vegetable oil. Essentially biodiesel 300 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: is essentially what he was trying to do, and it 301 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: was a viable idea for a really long time, basically 302 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: the entire time he was alive. And that would have 303 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: really given people in rural areas a leg up because 304 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: they could have grown their own fuel to power the 305 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: engines that they had at their disposal to run their 306 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: arts and crafts fares. 307 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, so he had big ideas he filed his patent, 308 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 4: he went to try and get funding, a lot of 309 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 4: skepticism obviously in the financial marketplace at the time, and 310 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 4: he got a couple of guys, Heinrich von Butz and 311 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 4: Friedrich Krup to give him some money. Von Botz, for 312 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: his part, was a managing director at Machine Fabric Alsberg 313 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 4: and also said, hey, you can take some of my 314 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 4: factory space to work on this stuff. So Rudolph moved 315 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: to Alsberg in eighteen ninety three started working on this 316 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 4: engine with that sort of tinderbox idea in mind. And 317 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: the one thing he couldn't figure out. He was like, a, no, 318 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 4: compressing air can ignite this thing, but I just don't 319 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: know how much pressure I'm gonna need. And for a 320 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: little while it got a little dangerous in that machine shop. 321 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: Yeah there, I guess. There was no way to work 322 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: it out on paper. First. He had to figure it 323 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: out like in real. 324 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 4: Life by compressing air. 325 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's essentially adding some combustible fluid to or fuel 326 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: to it. So he did that. His first working prototype 327 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: he demonstrated in the lab. I don't even know if 328 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: it was demonstration. I think they just tried it the 329 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: first time and the it compressed air so much I guess, 330 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: and produced so much heat that the engine blew up 331 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: and like you said, blue throughout the lab like pieces 332 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: of the engine went flying. But when like you can 333 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: just imagine in the movie, like they rise up from 334 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: behind like some big crate and everybody's hair standing on 335 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: and there's smoke coming off of there. He's like it worked. 336 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: In that he proved that if you compressed air you 337 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: could create he ate enough heat to ignite something. You 338 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: didn't need a spark, you didn't need coal or a boiler. 339 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: You like, his engine could work and it had just 340 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: been proven. 341 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. The second one went much better. It 342 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 4: did not explode. The third one was the big sort 343 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: of moment when the bell rang, it ran on kerosene. 344 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 4: He was thirty nine years old, which is pretty incredible 345 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 4: to think about, and felt comfortable enough to do a 346 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 4: public test on February seventeenth, eighteen ninety seven, in front 347 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 4: of an audience there at the Machine Fabric Factory for 348 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: the employees and engineers. A few other firms were there, 349 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 4: and it was a really big, big success. And he 350 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 4: in that he achieved not only a working engine, but 351 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 4: it was had a basically invisible and almost odorless exhaust 352 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 4: and reached an efficiency of twenty six point two percent 353 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 4: compared with Danny Steams measly ten percent. 354 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, well that's you know, not that 355 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: much better. That is a mind boggling improvement in efficiency 356 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: over the existing technology that was just out of the gate. 357 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: It was revolutionary. And like you said, I think Friedrich Krup. 358 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: Is that how you pronounced his last name? Yeah, he 359 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: was an early investor, And I was like, that name 360 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 2: sounds very familiar. And I went and looked him up 361 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: on Wikipedia, in honor of my reformed view of Wikipedia, 362 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: and I found out that it was, in fact who 363 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 2: I've been calling Krupp, the same Krupper Krup family that 364 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: gave rise to the Tyson Krup International mega conglomerate from Europe. 365 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: It might be okay, so Tyson Krup, you're familiar with 366 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: that company, right, They're just enormous? 367 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 4: Sure? 368 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 2: Two, Yeah, that's right. And so I was reading a 369 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: little bit about Friedrich Croup on Wikipedia and little known 370 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: fact he used to write a giraffe everywhere he went. 371 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 4: As you do. I have a few quotes if I may, 372 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: because it's really hard to overstate, like you were saying, 373 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 4: what a leap forward this was in technology. One of 374 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 4: his biographers, a man named It's last name is a Brunt, 375 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 4: said it was the most disruptive technology in history. Winston 376 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 4: Churchill called it the most perfect maritime masterpiece of the century. 377 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: And if you're wondering what maritime has to do with it, 378 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: we'll get to that. And then no less than Edison 379 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 4: said it was one of the greatest achievements of mankind. 380 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 4: So that's how big of a deal the diesel engine was. 381 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And again, so Rudolph is like, like, this is happening, 382 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: Like I'm making this happen like this, the people in 383 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: the country, in the rural countryside are going to be saved, 384 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: Like this whole industrialization thing is going to be reversed 385 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: and kind of mellowed out and smooth dover, and the 386 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: world's going to be saved, essentially. And it just did 387 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: not quite go that way. I mean, just the very 388 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: fact that he had wincient triciall weighing in on how 389 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: great it was kind of gives you an indication that 390 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: it did not go the way that he wanted. 391 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, one thing that did go the way he 392 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 4: wanted was he made a ton of money off this thing. 393 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: Once he had a working prototype, people started literally lining 394 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 4: up to get a license for this thing, just a 395 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 4: license to build it. Like they had to figure out 396 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: how to build it and how to mass produce it 397 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 4: and everything. But he ended up selling twenty two different 398 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 4: licenses over a two year period in eighteen ninety seven 399 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 4: and eighteen ninety eight alone to people like Watson and 400 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 4: Yarn and Yarien in Scotland. Augustus Bush bought the United 401 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: States and Canadian license for what would be nine million 402 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: dollars today, basically fiat in Italy, like people are buying 403 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: licenses hand over fist basically. And eventually he would even 404 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: sell all of his rights and patents to the General 405 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 4: Diesel Company for three and a half million marks. And 406 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 4: I tried to convert that to US dollars in twenty 407 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 4: twenty four. 408 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 2: What did you get? 409 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 4: Did you try? 410 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 411 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 4: What did you get? 412 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: I got eleven and a half million US dollars today? 413 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 4: Oh boy, I got three hundred and fifty million dollars. 414 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, you could be right. I went 415 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: to a German inflation calculator first and converted three and 416 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: a half million marks from eighteen ninety eight to two 417 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: twenty three or twenty four dollars. 418 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 4: Marks and then all the euros now though. 419 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: Right, But there was a selection you could chase convert 420 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: it to euros or Marx Deutsche marks. 421 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 4: Oh okay, and I clicked deutsch marks. 422 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: I'm almost positive. And then I took that and exchanged 423 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: at today's rate for US dollars. That's how I came 424 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: up with it. But I mean, you know, me and math, 425 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: you're proud wrecking buttons and stuff like that. I'm not 426 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: that good. 427 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: No, I think your methodology was better. What I did 428 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 4: was I went back to see what the Deutsche mark 429 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 4: to the US dollar was in nineteen or in eighteen ninety. 430 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: Eight, and pulled a few economists. 431 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 4: I converted that to US dollars front to eighteen ninety 432 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 4: eight US dollars and then did a calculation. So that's 433 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: probably that's good, the wrong methodology, but. 434 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: I mean it's crazy that they would be so wildly, 435 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: so wildly off. So what was yours? Like three hundred million? Yeah, 436 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: and mine was like eleven year. Let's split the difference 437 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: and saved about one hundred and sixty million marks or 438 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: US dollars today. 439 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 4: Well, I think your I think your methodology is better. 440 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: But either way, he made a lot of money off 441 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: of this thing. It ran off of, like you said, 442 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: potentially vegetable oil. But you know, kerosene, peanut oil, all 443 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 4: kinds of things, and it was or could have been 444 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 4: a boon to the you know, this big idea that 445 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 4: he had of the people in the countryside, had it 446 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 4: not been for the Yeah. 447 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: So, one of the things that all of these international 448 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: companies who had licensed the right to make diesel engines 449 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: were supposed to do was, as they were developing their 450 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: own versions, any technological breakthroughs were supposed to be shared 451 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 2: with all the other licensees, So the diesel engine itself 452 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: would be cooperatively developed internationally, kind of like a human 453 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: undertaking among the global community. And I guess that worked 454 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: for a little while. But then, like you said, when 455 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: the First World War started to come around, intentions rose. 456 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: The diesel engine came to be the center of an 457 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: arms race between the UK and Germany. And despite being 458 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: German of German heritage, a German citizen, having created the 459 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: diesel engine in Germany, Rudolph Diesel was not a fan 460 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: of the Kaiser, was not a fan of the ultranationalism 461 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: that was starting to develop in Germany that helped lead 462 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: the world to World War One. And he's like, I 463 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: kind of like the UK and where they're coming from 464 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: these days, I'm going to move there and actually helped 465 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: them with their arms race to create the diesel engines 466 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: that will be used to power this new scary technology 467 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: called submarines. 468 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. In nineteen twelve he co founded the Consolidated Diesel 469 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 4: Engine Company with a British engineer named George Correll's and 470 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 4: the submarine. And that's why Churchill said it's the most 471 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 4: perfect maritime masterpiece of the century. Is all of a sudden, 472 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: you had submarines that didn't require tons and tons of 473 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 4: coal on board, tons and tons of soldiers to shovel 474 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: that coal, these big dangerous coal ovens. You had this 475 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,239 Speaker 4: like super efficient engine inside this thing. It was like 476 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 4: it totally revolutionized how submarines operated and thus how the 477 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 4: war went. 478 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I looked up George Correll's too on Wikipedia, and 479 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: apparently he was known to giggle like a schoolgirl at 480 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: dirty jokes. Really no, no, I'm making a comment on 481 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: wikiped but I'm just kidding. 482 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: Crap. 483 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It wasn't intended to mislead you. I I 484 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: it was really a targeted It was targeted at Wikipedia. 485 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: Well. 486 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: Part of the reason that always works is because you're 487 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 4: so good at digging up these arcane facts. So I 488 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 4: tend to just be like, holy cow, listen to that. 489 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: Wow, that's really something. Giggled like a school girl. 490 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 4: You say, I just got joshed. 491 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You got caught in the drag net, is 492 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 2: what it was. 493 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: So, uh, should we take another break? 494 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:31,959 Speaker 2: Sure? 495 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 4: All right, let's take another break. We'll talk a little 496 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 4: bit more about diesel. 497 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: Stop you know, stop stood stop here? Shouldn't know no, 498 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: stop you know stop stood stop here, shouldn't know stop 499 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: you should know as why why. 500 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: Sk sk? 501 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: But tough he should know. 502 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 4: So while all this is happening, I mentioned that he 503 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 4: got married and had three kids. They were all in 504 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: Berlin together in eighteen ninety. But when he moved to Alsberg, 505 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 4: like I said, to develop this engine, he left his 506 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 4: family behind for five years. Then the family moved to Munich, 507 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 4: and then finally he said, you know, we got to 508 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: reunite the family. I'm going to build my magnificent, most 509 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 4: magnificent idea. Aside from that engine, sure will be this 510 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: mansion from architect Max Littman. And it was. It was 511 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: quite a mansion. And in fact, even though he had 512 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 4: a lot of money, the way things turned out with 513 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: him financially, I dare say that he overdid it a bit. 514 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: There was a bike track, indoor bike track for his kids. 515 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: I mean state of the arts stuff. One, yeah, two, three, four. 516 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: Five bathrooms a lot for back then for sure. And 517 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: I'm not talking out houses, I mean bathroom. 518 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: I mean I don't have five bathrooms in his twenty 519 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: twenty four. 520 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: There was a staff. It's not that impressive because everybody 521 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: had a staff back then. 522 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I don't have a staff. 523 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: But still it was like it was a big deal. 524 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: And not only was it a beautiful, amazing, advanced mansion 525 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: that he helped design, this put a inder, a punctuation 526 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: mark on years of living away from his family in 527 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: different countries, like dedicating his life to this diesel engine 528 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: and taking good care of them for what I could understand, 529 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: but not being a part of the family. He was 530 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: a part of creating the diesel engine. And so by 531 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: building this mansion, he was coming back home, coming back 532 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: to his family and starting a new chapter, restarting an 533 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: important chapter of his life. 534 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was a chapter marked by some poor health. 535 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 4: I saw that he got migraines, suffered from migraines, gout. 536 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 4: I know that he dropped a ton of money on 537 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 4: this mansion. I don't think that ruined him or anything. 538 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 4: But he also made some bad financial investments apparently, and 539 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 4: they're kind of conflicting stories about how bad off the 540 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 4: family was. But as we'll see in the end, it 541 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 4: turns out that they weren't doing so great in the 542 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: financial department after all. 543 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: No, I saw it. Yeah, I saw a lot of 544 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: his early engines did not work very well. They weren't reliable, 545 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: and so there was a lot of customers that wanted 546 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: their money back initially. So, like you said, there's a 547 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: big debate over just how bad off they were in 548 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: Douglas Brunt, one of his recent biographers from twenty twenty 549 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: four is at odds with a biographer from the seventies 550 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: named John Frederick Moon. Moons like he was destitute and desperate. 551 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: This guy was in dire financial streets. Douglas Brunt, who 552 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: again wrote much more recently forty years, six fifty years 553 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: more recently, good God, he was like, No, actually, I 554 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: think that this was like an eighteen nineties phase and 555 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: that you know, after the turn of the century, started 556 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: to make his money back again, and that he was 557 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: on okay financial footing. 558 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was still really wrapped up in this this 559 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 4: big idea of you know, saving the common person. In 560 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 4: nineteen oh three, he wrote a book called or published 561 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: one and at least in nineteen oh three called Solidarity 562 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 4: Colon even back then the Rational Economic Salvation of mankind 563 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 4: when he talked about, you know, sort of this basically 564 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 4: socialist ideas that he you know, of of the class 565 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 4: division being you know, not not a good thing. And 566 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 4: unfortunately nobody I don't think it was a very good book. 567 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 4: No one really read it much. 568 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: No tell him what that wonder seems like? 569 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 4: I said, Yeah, there was one review that called it 570 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 4: a real pain to read. 571 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: That's not a glowing review, No know what you're looking for. 572 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: But in writing that book in conjunction with Create the 573 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: Diesel Engine, he was quoted as having said that he 574 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: solved the social question like he's like, here's the engine, 575 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: here's what we're trying to do. I basically just saved 576 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: the world. And he said that he was able to 577 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: do what all the nations combined were unable to throw 578 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: out the Rockefellers, and it just did not happen that way. 579 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, when did he publish. 580 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 4: That book nineteen oh three, nineteen oh three. 581 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: Over the next ten years, he was still in a 582 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: position and his engine was still in a position that 583 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: it wasn't entirely clear which way it was going to go. 584 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't World War one fully yet, it was just 585 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: the very beginning of it. I think there was still 586 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: a really good chance that diesel engines would run on 587 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: vegetable oil. It was very much up in the air. 588 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: And in September of nineteen thirteen September twenty ninth, I 589 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: believe he went on a fateful trip more than a 590 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: three hour toer, but it was it's not that much, 591 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: more like less than twenty four hours, I think, to 592 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 2: go do a groundbreaking of the company that he co 593 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: founded with George Carrell's. 594 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a named Alfred Laucom, who was another 595 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: engineer who was a pal of theirs. And a few 596 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 4: days before this, we should mention that he right before 597 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 4: he went on this trip, he gave his wife a 598 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 4: brand new overnight bag and said, here's this bag, don't 599 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 4: open it until next week. Very mysterious thing to do. 600 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 4: But he went to Ghent and got on the S. S. 601 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 4: Dresden on the twenty ninth with those three other two guys, 602 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 4: had dinner with them. Seemed like they had a good 603 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 4: time and they were all in good spirits. Then he 604 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: was like, all right, dinner's over. I'm gonna go to bed, 605 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 4: and he was never seen again. No. 606 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: The next morning, his companions, George Carrell's and Alfred they 607 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: went to go rouse him and say hey, let's party 608 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: this morning, and he didn't answer. So they went in 609 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: his room. His bed was not slept in, His nightclothes 610 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 2: were laid out on the bed, his travel bag was there, 611 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: his watch was on his travel bag, and he was 612 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: just nowhere to be found. So they informed the captain 613 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: who had the ship searched, and in short order they 614 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: found his coat and hat on deck near a railing, 615 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: and his coat had been neatly folded. Just not a 616 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: good sign. And when they made land in London, he 617 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: was just not there. He was no longer on the ship. 618 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: At some point somewhere in the English Channel, almost to 619 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: the North Sea, Rudolph Diesel just vanished off the SS Dresden. 620 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 4: That's right. And what was in that leather bag that 621 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 4: he gave his wife. 622 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: Twenty thousand German marks. No idea how much that is 623 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 2: in today's US dollars, but it was a significant amount 624 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: of money. 625 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 4: Let's say there was a lot of money. And there 626 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 4: were also financial records basically showing that they were broke. 627 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 4: So that sort of seen, at least at this point 628 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 4: in his life, puts to rest the question that they 629 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 4: were financial troubles. Yeah, so you know, here's some money, 630 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 4: but our accounts are empty. The disappearance was a very 631 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 4: big deal, obviously, and right away because he had made 632 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 4: a lot of enemies. The Kaiser Wilhelm did not like him. 633 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 4: John D. Rockefeller did not like him, and there were, 634 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 4: you know, people saying like, could one of them had 635 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 4: him killed? Is it foul play? Was it just an accident? 636 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 4: Was it a suicide? Like no one, no one knew 637 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 4: and seemingly no one knows for sure, even though most 638 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: people agreed that it was suicide. 639 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, the folded coat kind of says something that it 640 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 2: wasn't just falling overboard. That kind of goes away with 641 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: that one. And that was the initial one too, because 642 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 2: he had he had been said to have been in 643 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 2: high spirits. George Carrell said that after dinner, as they 644 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 2: walked some. They walked him back to his state room. 645 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 2: He said, I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah, another evidence or 646 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 2: another bit against the idea that it was suicide. His watch, 647 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: like I said, it was set on his bag, but 648 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 2: it was laid out in such a way that he 649 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: could see what time it was when he would be 650 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 2: laying down in bed. Not something you do. 651 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 4: You don't drop up your watch. 652 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you don't really go to that trouble if 653 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 2: you don't think that. If you think like I'm going 654 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: to at my life in a couple hours, that doesn't matter. 655 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: And then George Crels also told The New York Times 656 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 2: that he did that Rudolph did not suffer from giddiness. 657 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: I guess that means that he would not have answered 658 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 2: the call of the void, is what he was saying. 659 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, this whole idea of murder, none of it really 660 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 4: holds up to scrutiny when you investigate either the fact 661 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 4: that the Germans came after him because he didn't help 662 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 4: them build, you know, their engines for the submarines for 663 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 4: the war, or Rockefeller. So those generally don't hold up 664 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 4: when you look into him more closely. And like I said, 665 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 4: most people say it was suicide, but they're the the 666 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 4: what was his first name, Brent's name, Douglas Douglas Brunt, 667 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 4: who wrote the Maurice biography as a theory that he 668 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 4: did not die at all and that he was it 669 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 4: was sort of faked, basically by the British, and he 670 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 4: was shuttled away to Canada where he could continue working 671 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 4: on these engines for the war. 672 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a New York Times article in nineteen 673 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 2: fourteen that said as much that he'd been rumored to 674 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: be working in Canada. That is probably not true because 675 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: about eleven days, I think eleven days after he went missing, 676 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 2: a body washed up. So okay, it depends on who 677 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 2: you ask me or Chuck. It turns out his body 678 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 2: that turned up at the mouth of a Dutch river 679 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 2: and was taken ashore and taken into town and was 680 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: identified or viewed by one of his sons as almost 681 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 2: certainly his dad, but not a positive identification because it 682 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 2: was too decomposed. 683 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 4: Or I don't think the Dutch river part is debated. 684 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was. I thought they were out 685 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 2: to sea. 686 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 4: No, no, no, I saw everywhere I saw. It was 687 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 4: at the mouth of a Dutch River. He was just 688 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 4: pulled out of the water. But I saw in a 689 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 4: lot of places, including the Brunt's biography, that the body 690 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 4: was returned to the water because it was just so 691 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 4: unrecognizable and you know, rotted by that point, which is 692 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 4: really gross that they put the body back in the 693 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 4: sea but kept the belongings that he had. That I 694 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 4: saw also disputed. I saw that there were everything from 695 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 4: glasses case to a pocket, pin knife to a pillbox, 696 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 4: and I even saw one say that was an ID 697 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 4: card recovered. I don't think that's true, because that's literal 698 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 4: positive identification unless it's you know, planted on somebody to 699 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 4: make it seem like a suicide. Other most places I 700 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 4: saw didn't mention an ID card, but they did say 701 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 4: that the sun identified the items and said, yeah, those 702 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 4: are my Debt's things. 703 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: And then mysteriously among his possessions was found the tooth 704 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: of a giraffe. 705 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 4: I don't believe that. 706 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: Good, You're like, no, that's the one truth, right, So, 707 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: I mean that's no one knows what happened to him. 708 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 2: There's no solution to that puzzle. Yeah, I'm going with 709 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 2: that was his body, you think, Yeah, suicide probably everything 710 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 2: I saw was that he was in dire financial straits. 711 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: And I mean plenty of people have died by suicide 712 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 2: for that reason. Sure, so it's it's entirely possible. I 713 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 2: don't know enough to be like, yep, that's it, but 714 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 2: that's probably where I lean. 715 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 4: I would say, well, regardless of what happened, the you know, 716 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 4: the invention of that engine was h you know, you 717 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 4: heard the quotes that changed the history of the world 718 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 4: in a lot of ways and such that it just 719 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 4: a cup years ago. In twenty twenty two, a full 720 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 4: ninety six percent of trucks in the EU run on 721 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 4: diesel engines. And here in America it's a little bit 722 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 4: different because we've been had a love hate relationship with 723 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 4: diesel over the years as far as trying to phase 724 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 4: it out or other people saying, no, it's a superior fuel, 725 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 4: But about twenty three percent of fuel in the US 726 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 4: is diesel fuel still. 727 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the reason why people say it's superior is 728 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 2: because even though there's more CO two, there's more carbon 729 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 2: in diesel fuel. Diesel burns more efficiently than gas, so 730 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 2: it actually releases less CO two than gas does, even 731 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 2: though there's more CO two. And diesel because less is 732 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: burned over the course of say fifty miles or something 733 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: like that. So it's true, but still it does it 734 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 2: is a polluter. If you're trying to get away from 735 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 2: fossil fuels, diesels included in there too. 736 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 4: I remember having a couple of friends back in the 737 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 4: day that had like a hand me down old you know, 738 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 4: seventies Mercedes Benz Diesel from their parents or something or 739 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,959 Speaker 4: their grandpa grandpa died and they got one of those 740 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 4: you know, chuggy engines. I just remember they were very 741 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 4: loud and it seemed like they just did nothing but 742 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 4: spew black smokes. 743 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, the diesel smoke is just so noxious too. 744 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 4: It seemed like it. I mean, maybe they were old 745 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 4: cars or not running right. I have no idea, but 746 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 4: that's sort of my only memory of diesel engines. 747 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, Yeah, they're still like that. If 748 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 2: you want to know more about Diesel and his engine, 749 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: then just go read Douglas Brunt's book on it. And 750 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 2: since I mentioned Douglas Brunt for the one last time, 751 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 2: it's time for listener maw. 752 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 4: I'm gonna call this Harvard follow up with the old 753 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 4: Puritans episode. Hey guys, in your recent episode of Puritans, 754 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 4: you mentioned the founding of Harvard. I'm a graduate of 755 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 4: the Divinity School and learned an interesting tidbit. I believe 756 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 4: it was in the sixties and the Divinity School had 757 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 4: fallen on kind of hard times. Enrollment was down, wasn't 758 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 4: attracting the best students or teachers, so Harvard had the 759 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 4: sensible business idea of selling it off. The court declared, though, 760 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 4: that if Harvard sold the Divinity School, the university would 761 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 4: have to close its doors, because the original charter states 762 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 4: at the purpose to be educating a quote learned learned 763 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 4: clergy end quote. So if they stopped doing that, the 764 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 4: school was no longer following its charter. Another wise choice. Later, 765 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 4: the university doubled down at support, and some three decades 766 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 4: or so after, it was the institution in which I 767 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 4: spent three years on my way to a Master's of Divinity. 768 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 4: During orientation, the dean of the school said to us, 769 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 4: you all belong here. So either we are not as 770 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 4: elite as you had assumed, or you were brighter than 771 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 4: you had thought. Either way, you belong here. Welcome. 772 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 2: What a great message. 773 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. Keep up the great work guys. You 774 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 4: are you guys are a gift in such divided and 775 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 4: divisive times. Thanks for that. That is from Eric Wickstrom. 776 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Eric, Reverend Eric Wickstrom, Thanks Reverend reverends. That's funny 777 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 2: that mention of how attendance was down in the sixties 778 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 2: so much that they were going to sell the Divinity 779 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 2: School reminded me of Reverend Lovejoy's origin story from The Simpsons, 780 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 2: and he was saying it was the early seventies. The 781 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 2: sixties were over and people were ready to feel bad 782 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 2: about themselves again. 783 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 4: So good. 784 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to be like Reverend Eric, you 785 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 2: can email us too, especially with additional info. We didn't know. 786 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 2: That's interesting. We love that stuff. You can send it 787 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 2: to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com. 788 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 4: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. 789 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 790 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.