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Speaker 1: Welcome to Zero. I'm Akshatrati. This week Climate Quitting. Last year,

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Speaker 1: we put out a message seeking stories of people who

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Speaker 1: decided to quit their jobs to spend their day working

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Speaker 1: to tackle climate change. We received a lot of responses

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Speaker 1: and we have listened to all of them here at Zero.

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Speaker 1: So in the New year's spirit, I wanted to share

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Speaker 1: some of those stories. You'll hear the producers of Zero,

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Speaker 1: Christine and Oscar introducing them. Enjoy Hello Christine, Happy New Year,

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Speaker 1: Hi Ascar, Happy new year to you. So one of

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Speaker 1: the things that we hear a lot about while working

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Speaker 1: on this podcast is just how many new jobs the

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Speaker 1: green economy will create. But even though that transition is

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Speaker 1: already well on the way, I think it's often talked

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Speaker 1: about in the future tens. It's something for lace this

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Speaker 1: from some of the people who have already taken a

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Speaker 1: and I find people who have changed their careers really inspiring.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed hearing these stories. To switch fields is

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Speaker 1: very difficult and scary, especially if you've already sunk years

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Speaker 1: and there's just always this feeling of is it too late?

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Speaker 1: But as you will hear, is never too late. The

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Speaker 1: So last year we put out a request for people

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Speaker 1: to send us their own climate career stories, and we

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Speaker 1: asked for four things. One what job did you quit

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Speaker 1: and what is your new role? Two what moment made

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Speaker 1: And we heard from listeners from all over the world

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Speaker 1: and with all sorts of different career paths. I used

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Speaker 1: the beauty industry to fight climate change. Unfortunately, we won't

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Speaker 1: sorry in advance if we didn't get round to yours,

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much to everyone who sent in

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Speaker 1: their stories. Christine, would you like to introduce the first one. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the first story we're going to hear comes out of

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Speaker 1: the United States, and it starts with a disaster. My

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Speaker 1: March twenty twenty. It was March third, in the middle

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Speaker 1: It's been one year since the Mid South witness history

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Speaker 1: We didn't have power. Most everyone's house was just completely destroyed,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks Laura Oscar who's not so We actually

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Speaker 1: But there was one story that really piqued my interest,

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Speaker 1: and that came from Dmitri la Fleur. I was a

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Speaker 1: geoscientist at CHILL and a geoscientist provides views and analysis

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Speaker 1: on the harder carbon reservoirs, what they look like, how

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Speaker 1: Dmitri had spent more than a decade working for Shell

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Speaker 1: is Catherine Cleary and I quit my job as a

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Speaker 1: You can optimize this. No, there's a sort of a messy, human,

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Speaker 1: You just want to stay put, Christine. You mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: We really need the creatives. Simon, who quit his job

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Speaker 1: surrounded by people support you. It's not easy to go

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Speaker 1: And it's privileges. So being surrounded truly helps. Jackie, who

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Speaker 1: But if enough people make this change and make their

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Speaker 1: I think it's we can make a tidal wave. Martin,

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Speaker 1: I used to suffer from cox as a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, reading news. I just had a

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Speaker 1: I just I'm doing something, and that's that has a

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Speaker 1: and for that reason I have this piece of advice.

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Speaker 1: Please harness the amazing, endless energy of our youth. Mentor them,

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Speaker 1: Invite them to the table, allow them to post everything

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Speaker 1: we do, allow them to have side hustles, and keep

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Speaker 1: them engaged. Get them up to speed as fast as possible,

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Speaker 1: because we need their energy and we need their optimism,

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Speaker 1: and then we can all gather collectively to work toward

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Speaker 1: a carbon free future. Thanks so much for listening to Zero.

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