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Speaker 1: The O. J. Simpson murder case was the first true

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Speaker 1: this case. After more than seven months of relentless publicity,

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Speaker 1: the double murder trial of O. J. Simpson will unfold

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Speaker 1: before the only people who really count in deciding his faith.

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Speaker 1: The jury. We the jury in the inbuff entitle action

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Speaker 1: find a defendient or prenthology. Simpson not guilty of the

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Speaker 1: crime of murder and violation of Peano fult Section A

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Speaker 1: ability upon the Coral Brown Simpson a human being as

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Speaker 1: talking about Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown. Because even now

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Speaker 1: it's not over. O J. Simpson is set to walk

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Speaker 1: be released as early as October. What in the hey,

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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. I Nancy Grayson. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. And with me of

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Speaker 1: course is Alan Duke, but special guests joining me is

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Speaker 1: Jim Murray. Jim, please help me. You and I covered

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Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson case like nobody's business, and I

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Speaker 1: double murder. Then years later I remember saying, Jim, and

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Speaker 1: turn back up like a bad penny. Sure enough he did.

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Speaker 1: What is this business about him getting out in October? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, he's in He's in jail right now

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Speaker 1: for a totally unrelated incident, and that's the kidnapping. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's when he went to Las Vegas, uh for a

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Speaker 1: friend's wedding, found out that some of his memorabilia, which

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Speaker 1: that was sold. That memorabilia, Yeah, that memorabilia. You know.

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Speaker 1: Effectively he had a thirty three million dollar judgment against

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Speaker 1: And and frankly that memorabilia should have gone dissatisfied that judgment,

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Speaker 1: but he wanted it for himself, and he went with

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Speaker 1: some friends too, have had guns. He was convicted, and

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Speaker 1: and many people believe that the sentence was much greater

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Speaker 1: was payback for the non the not guilty verdict in

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Speaker 1: the murder case. Wait a minute, let me understand something.

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Speaker 1: So Jim Murray, three guys come storming into your place,

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Speaker 1: do his full sentence. I think his sentence was far well,

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Speaker 1: his sentence was far greater than anybody else involved in

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Speaker 1: that case. Everybody else is out of prison. He's not.

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Speaker 1: He got I think thirty years in prison. Yet, Look,

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Speaker 1: I think it was payback. There's no question in my mind.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I want him to walk around free,

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Speaker 1: but I believe it was payback. You and I differ

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Speaker 1: others were his minions. He was the mastermind. Orenthal. James

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Speaker 1: Simpson may be released from prison as early as this

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Speaker 1: October after just nine years behind bars on a thirty

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Speaker 1: three year sentence. Now, as you will recall, or Enthal,

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Speaker 1: James Simpson, the star NFL player, walked free on a

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Speaker 1: double murder of his wife, Nicole Brown and friend, a waiter,

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Speaker 1: ain't the Apple Dumpling gang. Okay, so just stop all

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Speaker 1: just telling you that he did more time than anybody

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Speaker 1: Same team. He just keeps saying he got more time. Well, fine,

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Speaker 1: he's lived like a kid behind and I and I

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Speaker 1: think that one of the detectives, Mark Furman, just about

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Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of problems with the case.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. To me, that case supersedes, it transcends male, female, white, black, Hispanic,

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Speaker 1: breaking into your house with his Apple Dumpling gang like

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Speaker 1: Jim Murray wants me to think they are. This guy

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Speaker 1: took eight hundred items at gunpoint from a Vegas hotel

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Speaker 1: he gets around twenty five thousand dollars a month. That's

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Speaker 1: I mean, and what about life behind bars? What has

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Speaker 1: it been like for Simpson Jim Murray. First of all,

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Speaker 1: just I just keep remember those crime scene photos. I

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Speaker 1: beating her, Nancy, I was. I was among a small

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Speaker 1: Mora And I know you hate this. I know you

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Speaker 1: book called Guarding the Jews. How O J. Simpson became

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Speaker 1: My prison b FF. Okay, Now this is the story

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Speaker 1: And uh then he said that one time Simpson told him,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned, the only that only two people alive

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Speaker 1: him Simpson and Callings. And he's said that Simpson was

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Speaker 1: I and I'm talking about the guard said, Juice, you

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Speaker 1: murderer right in the mirror. And he goes on and says,

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Speaker 1: he just gave me a glare. Quote, he gave me

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Speaker 1: a kind of a dirty look, and then he kind

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Speaker 1: maybe it would have made a difference. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but this is what I do know. If you want

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Speaker 1: Pardoning Parole, to Nevada Pardoner and Parole and let your

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Speaker 1: voice be heard. If you do not want Simpson to

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Speaker 1: walk free. Okay, Jim Murray, Sorry, Alan, I'm totally ignoring

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Speaker 1: you because they've got Murray here with me. Jim. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad to get a little bit of relief

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Speaker 1: from from the he himself. I do this every morning, Jim,

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Speaker 1: every more. You should have jumped in a little more.

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Speaker 1: I noticed you didn't give me any cover. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to take that as a compliment, but it's a compliment.

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Speaker 1: Give me your final thoughts, and and don't start telling

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Speaker 1: me about how he's been. Yeah, he's suffered too much.

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Speaker 1: Just stops not. I haven't told you that he suffered

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Speaker 1: too much. I don't believe he suffered too much car around.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe. What is your take away? Do

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Speaker 1: you think he's really going to walk? Do you think

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Speaker 1: he's going to walk? I think he will walk. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I do. Oh that hurt? Okay, go ahead, I think

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Speaker 1: he will. I have to look at this case alone,

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Speaker 1: because he was he was acquitted in California. So the judge,

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Speaker 1: the parole board in in Nevada should not hold a

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Speaker 1: case against him legally, I understand ethically, I understand morally,

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Speaker 1: but legally they should not hold that other case against him. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I think they have to look at how he's

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Speaker 1: I've never heard I've heard of no remorse. I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have said anything, but so, uh, I do think. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a good chance. I think there's a good

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Speaker 1: chance that Hey, you know what, it sounds like a vacation.

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Speaker 1: I'm a joint sentance because this is telling me. You're

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Speaker 1: telling me today Nancy on TV. Yeah, UM, they'll throw

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Speaker 1: anything the next time you see. You know what, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to have a little faith. I'm gonna go I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have a little faith. I'm going to go out

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Speaker 1: on a lamb and I'm gonna say no that they

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Speaker 1: will not let him go this time, much as they

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Speaker 1: have kept the Manson followers behind bars even though they

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Speaker 1: were eligible for parole on principle. So you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm calling on the pardoner parole board to do the

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Speaker 1: right thing and keep this guy behind bars. That's that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Okay, you get to a position of

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Speaker 1: power like being on the parole board so you can

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Speaker 1: do the right thing, the right thing. And I don't

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Speaker 1: care what's written in a law book, a dusty law

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Speaker 1: book on a shelf. I'm talking about what is right

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Speaker 1: and what is wrong. Let's see what they do. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Jim Murray, the next time I see you on TV,

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Speaker 1: which is probably going to be today, I will be

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Speaker 1: reaching through the screen and grabbing you by your ear

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Speaker 1: and not twisting it for all the things you've said,

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Speaker 1: and watch out your next I want to thank first

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Speaker 1: of all, simply, I want all of your listeners to

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Speaker 1: know this. I believe in my heart you always strive

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Speaker 1: to do the right thing, and so I respect what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Thank you, Son of Moon, Doggie, okay it,

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Speaker 1: I love you, man, Hey, Jim, When did we first

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Speaker 1: actually meet? Not on TV on the airways, but when

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Speaker 1: was it? When was luck? When did we actually when

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Speaker 1: did when we meet meet in person? Yeah? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I remember. I remember the first time I saw you.

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Speaker 1: I heard angels singing the pot and I said, this

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Speaker 1: is nasty. Greg. You've always been so wonderful and gracious

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Speaker 1: and kind to me and and and I love my man.

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Speaker 1: I really find you. I'm both attracted to you and frightened.

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Speaker 1: W It's it's a fascinating dynamic, as it should be.

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Speaker 1: And please tell Jabra norvil I said, hello, I love her.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank three people. First of all, Too

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Speaker 1: Right or wrong. Whenever I read about, or hear about,

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Speaker 1: or cover or investigate a case that involves a home invasion,

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Speaker 1: I think, did they have a system? Did they have

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Speaker 1: a home alarm system? I really remember thinking about it

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Speaker 1: during the Teresa Seaver's case in Florida when I heard

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Speaker 1: when I heard she had been blunted, and did they

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Speaker 1: have an alarm system? And I found out they did?

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Speaker 1: And the killer knew the code that I can't help,

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Speaker 1: but that's my first reaction. I have an alarm system

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Speaker 1: and I keep it on, and I am proud that

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. In a special thank

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Speaker 1: you to my longtime friend Jim Murray. Love love you

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Speaker 1: to take care. Hey guys, thank you for being with

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Speaker 1: us on crime Stories. Goodbye friends,