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Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of my Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Good Morning. This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today's tip is about how to deal with colleagues who

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Speaker 1: like to socialize when you have other things you want

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Speaker 1: or need to do. In my years of writing about

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Speaker 1: time management, I've learned that some questions come up more

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Speaker 1: often than others. This is one of the most frequent.

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Speaker 1: So first, let's be clear, socializing with colleagues is not

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Speaker 1: inherently a waste of time. Unfortunately, this idea is still

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Speaker 1: out there. I've met people who have described themselves as

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Speaker 1: good at time management because they hold themselves off, shut

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Speaker 1: the office door if they have one, and get stuff done. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: one person told me as a time management tip that

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Speaker 1: by refusing all coworker lunch and coffee invitations and keeping

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Speaker 1: all conversations to the bare minimum, he was able to

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Speaker 1: avoid bringing work home. This person suggested I share this

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Speaker 1: strategy so others could benefit from his hard one knowledge.

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Speaker 1: On some level, I get it, and some people really

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Speaker 1: do like a strict separation. They don't want to leave

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Speaker 1: work with anything hanging over them. And some people have

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Speaker 1: to leave at a certain time in order to say,

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Speaker 1: make a daycare pickup. Consequently, water cooler chats seem like

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Speaker 1: an easy thing to cut. It's not a direct deliverable,

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Speaker 1: but it's also short sighted. Humans are social creatures, and

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Speaker 1: people want to work with those they know and trust.

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Speaker 1: Trust is built up through low stakes, repeated interactions, which

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Speaker 1: is a fancy way of describing those how is your

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Speaker 1: weekend conversations? Getting promoted into management and then succeeding in

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Speaker 1: that role isn't just about being good at your job.

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Speaker 1: It's about having other people want to do their best

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Speaker 1: work for you, which doesn't happen when they don't trust you.

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Speaker 1: And even if you never want to move beyond an

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Speaker 1: individual contributor role, other people have valuable information that they

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Speaker 1: can choose to share or not. They're more likely to

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Speaker 1: warn you off troublesome projects or share the name of

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Speaker 1: someone in accounting who can help with your problem if

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Speaker 1: you've built up a rapport. Of course, some people seem

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Speaker 1: to have no boundaries, and sometimes this question comes in

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Speaker 1: a more sympathetic form. You do your best work in

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Speaker 1: the morning and would like to spend this time focused

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Speaker 1: on individual work, but a colleague wants to stop by

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Speaker 1: to shoot the breeze during this prime window, or you

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Speaker 1: socialize when you can. But you notice that many of

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Speaker 1: the most social sorts don't have any limits on their time,

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Speaker 1: or worse, seem to enjoy being seen as the person

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Speaker 1: who stays latest. Even if these people don't get going

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Speaker 1: on much until noon, you'd like to get home and

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Speaker 1: get on with your life. What's the best way to

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Speaker 1: manage this situation. One of the easiest ways to focus

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Speaker 1: if you work in a flexible environment is to do

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Speaker 1: your focused work away from the office. I want to

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Speaker 1: interview to CEO who carved out time to do his

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Speaker 1: focused work in a waffle house in the morning. That way,

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Speaker 1: when he showed up at work, he could be in

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Speaker 1: responsive mode and have those conversations in the hallway with

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Speaker 1: people who wanted to chat with him. If you have

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Speaker 1: some ability to work from home, do so one to

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Speaker 1: two days per week and put your focused work on

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Speaker 1: those days. You'll feel much more relaxed about social interactions

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Speaker 1: with colleagues when you know you're ahead of the game.

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Speaker 1: If that's not going to fly, then you can try

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Speaker 1: some other signal that indicates you are not available. Putting

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Speaker 1: on a big headset as if you're on the phone

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Speaker 1: can work even if you're not on the phone. It

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Speaker 1: makes people pause. If someone's just looking for an easy

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Speaker 1: entry into a conversation, they'll go elsewhere. Indeed, if you're

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Speaker 1: managing an office, you might propose that people come up

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Speaker 1: with some sort of not now signal to make this

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Speaker 1: matter less awkward. Laura Stack, one of my favorite productivity experts,

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Speaker 1: has propose the idea of a thinking cap, some sort

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Speaker 1: of humorous hat you could put on that indicates now

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Speaker 1: is not a good time. As long as it's not abused,

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Speaker 1: such a signal could generally be respected. There are other

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Speaker 1: approaches with anyone. If you really can't talk now, it

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Speaker 1: helps to indicate a time when the person knows they

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Speaker 1: can have your full attention. So as simple Hey can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear more, I need to get to this

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Speaker 1: right now. Can we get coffee at eleven might deflect

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Speaker 1: the conversation to a more convenient moment. If conversations tend

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Speaker 1: to happen at the end of the day when you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get out the door, try walking around and

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Speaker 1: proactively checking in with people earlier, like after lunch. You

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Speaker 1: can also recognize that socializing sometimes doesn't mean you have

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Speaker 1: to socialize all the time. Going to lunch with a

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Speaker 1: group occasionally can allow you to catch up on what's

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Speaker 1: going on while avoiding going some other days. And you

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Speaker 1: also might be surprised at how quickly even seemingly chatty

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Speaker 1: sorts can run out of steam. You could try timing

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Speaker 1: it at some point. The difference between interrupting someone and

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Speaker 1: creating an issue and letting the person talk until a

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Speaker 1: reasonable closing point might be a few minutes. And let's

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Speaker 1: be honest here, how much are you really getting done

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Speaker 1: in five minutes If you're just deleting emails? You might

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Speaker 1: be better off sitting with the conversation, even if it's

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Speaker 1: not terribly convenient, and letting the other person feel heard.

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Speaker 1: I've realized this with one of my kids, actually, who

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Speaker 1: likes to have talks with me late at night. These

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Speaker 1: requests for the talks tend to come right as I've

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Speaker 1: picked up a book and after dealing with other people

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Speaker 1: during the day, part of me really wants to sit

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Speaker 1: in silence, But I've learned that almost always the talk

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Speaker 1: is done in five minutes. Then my kid is back

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Speaker 1: to his own book and I can go back to mine,

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Speaker 1: So I just have the chat and he feels much

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Speaker 1: happier within reason at work. Maybe you can do so too,

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Speaker 1: low cost, big payoff in the meantime. This is Laura.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and here's to making the most of

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