1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Coward Podcast presented by FanDuel Sports Book. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: No better place to make every moment more than with 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Fan Duel Basketball Football. They have awesome new and existing 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: user promotions. It's easy to use, it's safe and secure. 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: You can get your winnings back in two hours. My 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: favorite the same game parlays. You can bet five or 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: ten bucks in one, one hundred and fifty bucks or more. 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: If you are new, just download the FanDuel Sportsbook app. 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Get started now, sign up promo code Colin so they 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: know we and I sent you. The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: presented by The Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, and 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: welcome in to the Friday Morning Podcast. Hall of Fame 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: executive Bill Polion. Every time I listen to him, I 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: get smarter. I'm gonna throw a lot of questions about 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: the draft and certain key NFL situations, and just the 16 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: way his mind works is pretty cool. But first fate questions, 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: real answers. There's stuff I want to talk about, but 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to wait for you to ask me. 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: Dear Colin, what's the best, most remarkable aspect of Derek 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: Carr's new contract. It's not the money it's the no 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: trade clause for really talented people, artists, athletes, Wall streeters, 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: tech superstars. It's not about the annual income. There's a 23 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: sea of money and they'll always make it. It's the 24 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: ability to control your future. That's why the great artists 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: have often gone to court to get out of contracts 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: so they're available to the entire market. Only eight players 27 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: in the entire National Football League have the ability to 28 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: say no, I'm not going there. Derek Carr, at the 29 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: end of this contract in three years, will have that power. 30 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: It's not about the money. For Derek Nevada's got no 31 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: state tax. He's making thirty five forty million a year. 32 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: He had a net worth of seventy five million before 33 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: the contract. But his ability to say, hey, you can't 34 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: send me to a crappy team. What he's doing is 35 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: protecting his legacy. That's the power of what Russell Wilson had. 36 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson had a no trade clause, Aaron Rodgers doesn't. 37 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: It's the brilliance Russell realized, I'm always going to make 38 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: money and I'm always going to win games. The only 39 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: thing that could puncture that is if I'm traded to 40 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: a terrible franchise. That's why Seattle didn't get as much 41 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: back for Russell Wilson as many suspected he was worth. 42 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: Why Because Russell gave them a team, they had to 43 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: trade him to Denver that was his first, second, and 44 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: third choice, therefore limiting the Seahawks. For the average person, 45 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: take the money. For stars in any industry, seek freedom 46 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: and the ability to control where you can be sent 47 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: or where you can go. Dear Colin, what do you 48 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: make of this week the Cincinnati Reds president Phil Castellini 49 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: telling his fans the only way for a team to 50 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: succeed would be to pick it up and move it 51 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: somewhere else because of the current baseball economy. Well, first 52 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: of all, that's a pretty harsh blow to fans, and 53 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: the Reds will probably never be moved because the first 54 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: baseball team ever, I believe is the Cincinnati Red Stockings. 55 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: You can look it up. I think I'm right. They 56 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: mean something to the history of baseball. But the reality 57 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: of what he's saying is you better be patient here, folks, 58 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: because with the anomics of baseball exploding, and with Fox 59 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: Sports regional cable networks now in the hands of another 60 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: network and not as lucrative. It is harder now than 61 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: five years ago for small market teams like Seattle, Pittsburgh, 62 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Cincinnati. People often say, but, but, but look 63 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: at the Tampa Rays. Now, let's talk about the Tampa Rays. 64 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: They're a better story than a reality. Now. There's always 65 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: exceptions to everything, and they are considering the payroll the 66 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: best of that seven or eight team group. But since 67 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight when they lost to the Phillies 68 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: in the World Series, they've only been back one time 69 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: in fourteen years. Other than that, they missed the playoffs 70 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: or get knocked out early. I mean, even when they 71 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: win games, they get outpaced by the Red Sox and Yankees, 72 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: who have more money. In twenty eighteen, they won ninety games, 73 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: the Red Sox one hundred and eight. The Yankees won 74 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: one hundred. Last year, they want one hundred season games. 75 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: They lost to the Red Sox in the American League 76 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: Divisional Series. So that's the great example of the ceiling 77 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: for what he's talking about, something that's not talked about. 78 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: When Fox owned all these regional networks, they really helped 79 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: the smaller market teams. They generated real revenue. Kansas City 80 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: Mariners pirates as those got sold off. They're not as 81 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: lucrative now, and the smaller market teams are privately complaining 82 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: to Baseball they can no longer compete. Dear Colin, The 83 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: NFNL draft doesn't have a lot of juice this year. 84 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: Does that change your interest level in it? It doesn't. 85 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: It will change the average fans' interest in it. Their interest. 86 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: The ratings won't be as high as last year because 87 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: there aren't star quarterbacks. But I'm interested in the architecture 88 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: of the football team, the building of it, so the 89 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: players are mostly irrelevant to me when it comes to 90 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: the draft. It's almost like the beach. The beach makes 91 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: me happy. I like to go to the beach. Not 92 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: every day, not every week, but in the summer, I 93 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: like to go to the beach. I don't have levels 94 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: of happiness when I'm at the beach. Newport Beach makes 95 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: me happier than Huntington Beach, not as happy as Manhattan Beach, 96 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,119 Speaker 1: not nearly as happy as Malibu. A beach is a beach. 97 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm always happy. A draft is a draft. I'm always satisfied. 98 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: I think the more interesting parts of a draft are 99 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: teams that can manipulate it. Teams that can fill holes 100 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: and gaps. I'm very interested in the Dallas Cowboys. They 101 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: have pressing needs on the offensive line. But yet, because 102 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper left, they have to draft another receiver. Don't 103 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: they In a more receiver dependent league. It doesn't really 104 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: matter who the player are. I've said this before about 105 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: college sports. Alabama fills its stadium regardless of who the 106 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: quarterback is. The key is the coach. In college If 107 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: the coach is bad and Alabama had five straight losing seasons, 108 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: the seats are empty. When they're winning and have the 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: right coach, the players become less relevant. Same with Kansas basketball. 110 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: They always fill their arena always. It's about the coach. 111 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: When they have Roy Williams or Bill Self, they win 112 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of games or sellouts. If they whiffed on 113 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: a coach and had five straight losing seasons, you'd have 114 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: empty seats. College sports has been about the brand. It's 115 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: about the coach. The players are less important, not that 116 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: they don't have the right to transfer. I'm for it 117 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: or name, image, likeness, make money. Professional sports is different. 118 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm watching for the athlete because they're the best of 119 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: the best in college and in the draft. It's the 120 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: structure of it. It's the brands that pull me in. 121 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: Dear Colin, what do you say to the Russell Westbrook 122 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: supporters who still stand by him even despite clear erosion 123 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: and it has asked her a season. Listen, there's three 124 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: types of people. People that get stuff immediately, people that 125 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: get stuff eventually, and people that never get stuff. Listen. 126 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: If you still think Trump won the election, keep it 127 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: to yourself. It's embarrassing. I mean, I understand if you 128 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: had questions for a week or two, but at this 129 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: point you're looney tunes. Like with Westbrook, I immediately thought 130 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: he was talented but didn't make players better. There's other 131 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: people who thought the same thing, and it took time 132 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: to see that his ball centric, tunnel vision style was problematic. 133 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: If you still or a Westbrook fan and are still 134 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: defending him, you just don't get it. If you look 135 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: at the great point guards in the history of basketball, 136 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: magic John Stockton, Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry, go down the line. 137 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: They have two qualities. One, and this is usually the 138 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: top quality, they make everybody better they play with through distribution. 139 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: Or two they're great shooters. Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Westbrooks neither. 140 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: If you still are clinging to Westbrook, you're in the 141 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: third group. You don't get it initially, you didn't get 142 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: it eventually, and you're just the guy who never gets 143 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: it ever. Dear Colin, why are the Dodgers and Rams 144 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: succeeding and the Lakers are crumbling? Well, the truth is, 145 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: market size is mostly irrelevant. I mean, the Jets and 146 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: the Giants are awful, so are the Knicks, so are 147 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: the Mets. Look in Chicago, most of those teams underwhelming. 148 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: The last time the Bears truly had their act together. 149 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: It feels like the Bulls have been promising but disappointing 150 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: at the end of a year for a decade or more. 151 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: Look at Dallas, Cowboys, Mavericks, not a lot of titles 152 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. The truth is market size 153 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: is overrated. The exception is Los Angeles, not because it's 154 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: a big city, but it's the entertainment capital of North America, 155 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: and as sports and entertainment are connecting, it's very attractive 156 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: to professional athletes who now have production companies, podcast companies 157 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: and the like. But even in Los Angeles, the Lakers 158 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: are crumbling because they're poorly owned and poorly run, and 159 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: the Rams and Dodgers are succeeding because they're well owned 160 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: and smartly run. Market size has been overrated for years 161 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: because players now can live anywhere and make a fortune. 162 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: They can live in okc they can live in Phoenix, 163 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes can be in Kansas City. A lot of 164 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: people in smaller markets fear the money and the power 165 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: of the big markets, and in baseball that's somewhat true. 166 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: But in the NFL, NBA, MLS and hockey, your owner 167 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: and your front office and a good coach are going 168 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: to dictate success. There's nothing to be afraid of. Dear column, 169 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: what'd you make of the t Wolves all that celebrating 170 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: after just winning a playing game? Listen, I'm not anti celebration, okay, 171 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: but in my life, and I'm now like mid fifties, 172 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: right in my life, there has been a general theme 173 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: from people. The people who love celebrating tend to let 174 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: it skew things going forward. My take's always been celebrate briefly, 175 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: grind regularly. It's a mindset. I got nothing against celebrating, 176 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: but I've worked with people my entire career. They get 177 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: a good ratings book, they make a little money, and 178 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: they become hangover Harry Like, there's nothing wrong with celebrating 179 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Johnny manz Elbow, big celebrator, Cam Newton, big celebrator, Diva 180 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: wide receivers, big celebrators. It's just not my thing. And 181 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm not just talking sports. I'm look in your family, 182 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,239 Speaker 1: look with people you've worked with. You should when you succeed, 183 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: be happy and reward yourself. But the personalities in my 184 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: life that live for the celebration over celebrate. Usually the 185 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: following year. They're not the same employee the following week month, 186 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: they're not the same employee. Like Cam Newton is the 187 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: greatest example. Dude, it's a touchdown. Since high school, you've 188 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: scored hundreds. I don't need a performance. I'm not against it, 189 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: but the argument can be made. Look Minnesota, they don't 190 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: win much. Yeah, maybe part of it is they don't 191 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: know how to act when they do. In the NBA 192 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Plan Tournament, there are no sure things except one bet 193 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: at least twenty bucks in same game parlays on FanDuel 194 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: Sports book. You'll get an instant bonus win or lose 195 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: twenty bucks. That's right, not only do you get to 196 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: enjoy the NBA's best duking it out for the right 197 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: to advance to the playoffs, but FanDuel's giving all customers 198 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: a bonus for getting in on the action. Oh and 199 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: the more you bet, the bigger your bonus. FanDuel is 200 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: an official partner of the NBA. Their app is safe, 201 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: easy to use, and you'll get your winnings fast. New 202 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: to the FanDuel sports Book, We'll sign up today promo 203 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: code Colin to make every moment more so. Don't just 204 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: watch the NBA plan tournament, be part of it. Bet 205 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: at least twenty bucks in the same game, parlay, get 206 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: an instant bonus, win or lose twenty one plus in 207 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: present Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, and Louisiana. Permitted parishes only, Michigan, 208 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey, New York, Tennessee, Virginia or West Virginia. First 209 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: online real money wager only. Refund issued as non withdrawal 210 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: site credit that expires in fourteen days. Restrictions to plyce 211 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: terms at sportsbook dot fandel dot com. Gambling problem one hundred, 212 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: next step or text next step to five three three 213 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: four two. Arizona one eight eight seven eight nine seven 214 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: seven seven seven or visit CCPG dot org slash chat 215 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: Connecticut one hundred gambler or visit FanDuel dot com slash 216 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: RG and Colorado, Indiana, Jersey, and Virginia one eight seven 217 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: seven seven seven zero stop in Louisiana. One one one hundred 218 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: two seven oh seven one one seven for confidential Health 219 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: in Michigan one eight seven seven h Ope, n Y. 220 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: Or techs Hope, n Y four six seven three six 221 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: nine in New York, Tennessee Redline one hundred eight nine 222 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: nine seven eight nine Tennessee visit one eight hundred gambler 223 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: dot in West Virginia. Bill Polian was the GM for 224 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: the Bills during their nineties Super Bowl run. He also 225 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: built the Colts into a Super Bowl winner Super Bowl 226 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: forty one work for the Panthers as well. He's one 227 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: of the smartest personnel people I've ever met. He knows 228 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: I think that, and he is now joining us on 229 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: our Colin Coward podcast on a Friday. So it's interesting, Bill. 230 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: When I look at a draft, it's not more or 231 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: less interesting to me based on the players. I like 232 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: the process, the architecture of it. I like the construct 233 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: of an NFL team In building it, I don't really 234 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: the players. It's almost like college sports, you know, when 235 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: I watched Duke and Mike Shashevsky. The players come and go. 236 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: It's the arena, it's the coach, it's his system, it's 237 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: his offense. So this is being called sort of a 238 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: low wattage, a low star draft. In your history of 239 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: doing all these drafts, does this compare to any draft 240 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: that you recall? You know, that's an interesting question. It 241 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: could very well have been two thousand. I don't think 242 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: there was a lot of star power in two thousand 243 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: and star power is really defined as franchise type quarterbacks. 244 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: That's that's really what it's all about. I mean, when 245 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: you think about all of the rush people that are 246 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: in this draft, and there are guys that are going 247 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: to play in the league for a long time and 248 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: be stars, but the quarterbacks aren't there, and as a result, 249 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't have quite the buzz that it would otherwise. 250 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: Here's what worries me about Kenny Pickett. His biggest year 251 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: was his last year. He had a turnover problem in college. 252 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm not obsessed with hand size, but it was a 253 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Jared Goff issue. And he had a problem securing the football. 254 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: Kenny has a hand size issue. I think he is 255 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: big enough, athletic enough, not a huge arm, not a 256 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: big plus plus arm. But I do worry that by 257 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: the end of his college career, you know, he's like 258 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: a twenty three year old, twenty four year old kid 259 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: playing with a lot of twenty year olds, and I 260 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: don't see a lot of it. I see capable. Is 261 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: that fair? Uh? No, I think it's a little unfair, 262 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: because what happened was he got a really good receiver 263 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: his last year at Pitt and he connected with that guy, 264 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: and he got better coaching, he got a more pro 265 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: style approach to the game as opposed to simply pure spread, 266 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: and so everything fit together for him. So I wouldn't 267 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: hold the previous years against him. He's growing and developing, 268 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: and he fell fools every virtually every bill parcels axiom, 269 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: which is you know, one of which is to play 270 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: thirty games. Um, the arm strength is okay. It's not great, 271 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: but it's okay, And that's all you need as long 272 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: as you're accurate and you could process. And it looks 273 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: as though he processed as well. He's athletic, enough to 274 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: make plays with his feet and to move out of 275 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: the pocket, and certainly to move within the pocket. And 276 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: he's got I don't believe that he lacks the it factor. 277 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: I think he's got it. He led Pitt from behind 278 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: on a number of occasions this past year. He beat 279 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good North Carolina team in the bowl game. 280 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: He's got the it factor, I think. So he's going 281 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: to play. You know how good will he be? I 282 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: think any quarterbacks only as good as the people around him. 283 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: I would point you to Alabama as a young man 284 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: last year who many of the same people were saying 285 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: the very same thing about who is the most successful 286 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback this year? The young man from Alabama. So 287 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think he'll play and be pretty good. 288 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: When Josh Allen came in from Wyoming, I had talked 289 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: to somebody who said he made a mistake evaluating him. 290 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: He said, I should have taken his greatest moments and 291 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: considered those more than I did his overall play because 292 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: when you watch his NFL career, it's you see a 293 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: lot of his greater moments, and those were sensational, but 294 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: I didn't take into consideration. He wasn't as refined. Well, 295 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: he was going to get better coaching in the pros. 296 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: So when I watched Malik Willis drives the ball, big trunky, 297 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: thick athlete, sounds like a good kid. He may not 298 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: have the most refined tape, but there are moments on 299 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: it that are Wow. How do you judge him the 300 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: more raw prospect? Well, first of all, he's six feet tall, 301 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: and that that's worrisome short quarterbacks. You know, Doug Flute 302 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: and Drew Brees are the exceptions, not the rule. So 303 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: that's that's difficult to begin with. M Secondly, the arm 304 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: strength part of it is okay, you know, it's good. 305 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: It's good to have a strong arm, but that that's 306 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: not what wins in the league. It's processing and the 307 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: ability to be accurate with the ball. And now he 308 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: comes in as a guy who essentially does makes his 309 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: living with his legs. He does spectacular things. My question 310 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: is can he do winning things? And those are two 311 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: different categories, two different completely categories. So I have questions there. 312 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: I have questions there. Now, his coach, who frees to 313 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: my knowledge, hasn't had any NFL experience, made a statement 314 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: that I saw which says he doesn't know what he 315 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: doesn't know, meaning the young man doesn't yet what he 316 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: doesn't know. And that's that's true of every rookie quarterback. 317 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: But the other thing you have to keep in mind 318 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: is that he's making a big jump up and level 319 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: of competition liberty is below the level of the Mid America. 320 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: This isn't Ben Roethlisberger coming in here. You know who's 321 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: who've dominated the Mid America. So there's that. So to me, 322 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: there are some questions here, and I think but for 323 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: the rookie salary cap and the fifty year option, I 324 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: don't think i'd consider him as a first rounder. But 325 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: because of the rookie cap and because of the fifty 326 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: year option, he is probably worth taking a chance on 327 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: because if you hit on him, you got him for 328 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: four years at a low salary, in five years at 329 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: a reasonable salary. And if you if you don't hit, 330 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: if he doesn't do well, then all you've lost is 331 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: a first round draft choice. And that's that's that's not insignificant. 332 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: But it's not the end of the world, you know, Bill, 333 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: There's we see this in all sports. There's rule changes, 334 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: cultural changes. In basketball, about ten years ago, you could 335 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: no longer have two players on the floor that couldn't 336 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: shoot it free. And it changed swiftly, and the gms 337 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: that embraced it, Warriors Bob Myers won a lot of titles. 338 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: A lot of teams did not embrace it, and they 339 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: suffered the consequences. In baseball, there are just realities now 340 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: about the kind of batters. Power batters who strike out 341 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: a lot is not you know, the Dave Kingman's of 342 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: my era would not be the liability they were right today, 343 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: that player a lot of home runs, some strikeouts. What 344 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: you don't want is groundballs in the NFL because of 345 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: rule changes and some cultural changes. I'm noticing this for 346 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: about the last ten years. California kids are very good 347 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: about trends, music trends, sports trends. They know them first. 348 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: The money's at quarterback and wide receiver, and the rules 349 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: now benefit both. You can't hit receivers over the middle. 350 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: They feel more empowered. Quarterbacks similarity very protected in the 351 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: state of California high school recruiting bill. If you go 352 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: to the top one hundred players in high school next year, 353 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: forty are receivers or quarterbacks, almost fifty. And so I 354 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: look at these wide receiver contracts, and I'm like, what 355 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: in the hell is going on? But then I look 356 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: at teams like the Bengals who have major issues on 357 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: the old line, major issues at linebacker, It doesn't matter. 358 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: They're great at receiver and great at quarterback. I look 359 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: at the Rams saying, we don't need first round picks. 360 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: Get the quarterback right, we'll figure everything else out. Is 361 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: when I saw Tyreek Hill go for five draft picks, 362 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: I about fell out of my chair. But then I 363 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: think to myself, jeez, he's Cooper Coup with speed. You 364 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: can use him like six different ways. What do you 365 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: make of this very quickly evolving value and cost of 366 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: wide receivers. Well, first of all, cost is entirely dependent 367 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: on what the first guy in the marketplace does, because 368 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: every other agent's going to jump over that by five 369 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: hundred thousand or a million, however high they can go. 370 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: So the first contract that gets signed is out of 371 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: this world, and now everybody else is chasing that. And 372 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: what happened I think with although I share your view 373 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: of Tyreek, what happened with the Chiefs I think is 374 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: that they said, you know, we need three receivers to 375 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: make this go. Yeah, we we can't have. They haven't 376 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl with just two guys. Excuse me, 377 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: Kelsey and and Tyreek. We need a third guy. And 378 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: if we have to pay Tyreek this money, and Kelsey's 379 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: approaching the back nine, in fact, he's probably playing ten 380 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: as we speak, where does that leave us? And so 381 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: have they priced themselves out of certain markets? I think 382 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: that's probably true. Now, Tyreek Hill doesn't come along every day. 383 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: Where does DeVante come along every day? Although they're two 384 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: completely different types of receivers. So my hope is that 385 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: that the market will will slow down and only the 386 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: top guys will get that incredible money. But you and 387 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: I both know that's not how it works. So you 388 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: may be in a situation where you find yourself saying, Okay, 389 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: I can afford Digs, but I can't afford two other receivers. 390 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to go with rookies in that situation. Now, 391 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: the good part about that is, as you point out, 392 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: there are plenty of rookies out there. Yeah, but that 393 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't make for the most outstanding and the 394 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: most efficient football you can put on the field. You know, 395 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: it's interesting the consensus among many in the media was 396 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: you gotta pay Deebo Samuel, and I said a week ago, Oh, 397 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: time out, time out. He plays very physically. He's been 398 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: hurt multiple times. Shanahan Kyle leans into that style of coaching. 399 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: He loves Kittle Deebo Samuel. I said, I couldn't pay 400 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: him huge money because then my top two players Kittle 401 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: and Debo are injury prone. Where my primary ri rival 402 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: in the division of the Rams Jayalen Rams, He's not 403 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: a dree prone. Aaron Donald's not, Matt Stafford's not, Bobby 404 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: Wagner's not, Cooper Cup's not. I gotta consider my division. 405 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: I gotta win my division right and the Rams stars 406 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: are never hurt well, Garoppolo's hurt a lot. Kittle Deebo Samuel. 407 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: So my takeaway was, I get the Niners saying we're 408 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: gonna listen to offers. Is it ever difficult? Bill? You'll 409 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: love a player he just won your playoff game, he 410 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: has incredible value, and you're going to get heat by 411 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people for not doing it. What do 412 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: you do with a Deebo Samuel man oh Man is 413 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: that that is the ultimate dilemma for a GM. It's 414 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: the ultimate dilemma. Yes, because you love the player, the 415 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: chances are you'll love him as a person too. The 416 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: contribution he makes is unique. The attached he has to 417 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: the franchise and to the fans is also strong and unique. 418 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: And his personality and style of play, along with the 419 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: tight end, really says a lot about what that football 420 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: team is. The backs are interchangeable, they can they can 421 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: bring backs off the street literally and play well in 422 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: that system. But you've got to have that that that 423 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: great receiver, and you've got to have the great tight end. 424 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: So how do you how do you make that fit? 425 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: What do you sacrifice? So when it when it when 426 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: it all boils down and we've had this discussion about 427 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: what his value is, then you say, Okay, we know 428 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: what his value is. It's what Davante and Tyree got. 429 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: That's what he's going to be asking for. What do 430 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: we have to sacrifice in order to accommodate that. That's 431 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: where the dilemma comes in. And and so you have 432 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: to have a system him of football on defense, because 433 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: the offense is where the money is. You just pointed 434 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: it out. You have to have a system of football 435 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: on defense where you can feed young players less expensive 436 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: players into the equation, and the Rams are doing it. 437 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: They let Reader go right, He's playing it in the 438 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: same building for a different team because they are not 439 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: going to pay linebackers because they got to pay Cooper 440 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Cup at some point in time. So the question is 441 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 1: not do we keep Debo or do we put him 442 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: out on the market. I don't think he's fungible. The 443 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: question is what do we have to give up to 444 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: accommodate what we're going to pay him? And that's the dilemma. 445 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: That's the one that keeps you up at night. Quarterbacks 446 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: mean more than ever. They're more compensated than ever. They 447 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: have more power and leverage than ever, and now many 448 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: are demanding mobility. It's a new time. It's almost an 449 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: international soccer star fee, NBA superstar field. Not quite there yet. 450 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: But with Aaron Rodgers situation, I mean, he called out 451 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: the franchise. He's tried to humiliate the franchise. He's not 452 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: going to show up to one of his camps, even 453 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: though they may have young receivers they dis drafted. You're 454 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: not going to show up. He'll do talk shows, game shows, 455 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: and I think to myself, boy, I almost wonder if 456 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: Green Bay would be better with an owner who could 457 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: get on the phone and bark at him a little 458 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: bit and say, hey, pal, you know, but they don't 459 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: have that in green Bay. The other day, Mark Murphy 460 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: said he doesn't have a three year contract. He's got 461 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: three one year contracts, and I thought, I don't know 462 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: if he's going to be there for three years. I mean, 463 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: where is your line in the sand on not having 464 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: leverage with a star, being publicly humiliated by a star, 465 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: having him not being accommodating. I mean, some of this 466 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: stuff I look at and think, Man, I know he's talented, Bill, 467 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: but this is a lot. I mean, you go out 468 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: and take shots at the organization. You can do it 469 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: with no owner, but it's a lot to deal with. 470 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: I know, like Deebo, he's talented, but how would you 471 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: have handled this well? Mark is a Mark Murphy is 472 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: a not only a very smart guy, but a former player, 473 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: and so he understands the chemistry of the locker room. 474 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: He understands what the what the trigger man does for you. 475 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: He understands the dynamic that that guy brings to the team. 476 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: And you know, you stretch that rubber band as far 477 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: as you can stretch it in order to win. Now, 478 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 1: in Aaron's case, what's what's what was shocking to me 479 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: was he had to know that Davante was leaving. He did, 480 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: He had to know it, and yet he still took 481 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: the money knowing that he is going to be a 482 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: rift of his number one received. So that tells you 483 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: comments sense tells you. It had to be about the money. 484 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: That's what it was about. Not getting me a team, 485 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: not let me put put my stamp on the offense, 486 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 1: not let me bring Tommy Clements is as good as 487 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: as good as Tommy is, but let me get my 488 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: contract done here. So there's nothing wrong with that. Every 489 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: player should do that, but to do it in a 490 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: disruptive way is really stretching that rubber band and now 491 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: not showing up at mini camp after you've gotten all 492 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: this money in the offseason program, after you've gotten all 493 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: this money that one. You know, even Mark probably has 494 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: has difficulty with that, as mature as he is and 495 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: as experienced as he is. It's one of the people 496 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: I respect most of its business. It's got a stick 497 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: in his cross and they wouldn't I mean owner of 498 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: no owner. I think I'd sit down and say, listen, 499 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: we need to get some things straight here. Yeah, you 500 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: know Bill Belichick well competed against him for a long time. 501 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: I said the other day that, I mean every NFC 502 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: team that went to the playoffs had an offensive coach. 503 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: If you take out the AFC East, which has all 504 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: defensive coaches, only one division had a coach win that 505 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: wasn't an offensive coach, and that was Tennessee. And there's 506 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: an argument to be made that Carson Wentz really messed 507 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: it up or they would have been a playoff team 508 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: too in Indianapolis, and that a lot of these older 509 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: defensive coaches Pete Carroll's had his defense is not as effective. 510 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: Over the last four years, Vic Fangio got fired, Mike 511 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: Zimmers struggled to get along with Kirk Cousins, Washington, Rono 512 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: Rivera can't quite get it right. I'm not saying you 513 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: have to be an offensive coach. But even with Belichick, 514 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: they let Shack Mason go, J C. Jackson go. They 515 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: have really no exceptional weapons on the perimeter. It's almost 516 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: a starless franchise. I don't I'm not doubting Belichick's brilliance, 517 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: but he said a few years ago Bill. He said, 518 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm only going to coach the guys I want to coach. 519 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: I got my money, got my ranks. I'm just going 520 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: to coach the guys I want to coach. And I 521 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: think to myself, will be careful. Sometimes those great players 522 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: are a pain in the ass. I do look at 523 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: them and think, boy, Bill, they don't have a lot 524 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: of speed, they lost their best corner, they don't have 525 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: an elite edge rusher. They got a young quarterback. I worry, 526 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: not worry. I look at it and I think, you know, 527 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: Greg Popovich started buying into his own system. Let's DeMar 528 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: Derosen go, Let's Kawhi Leonard go. They're not a very 529 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: good team anymore, and he's still a brilliant coach. D you, Seawood, 530 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: New England, would you be concerned a little as a 531 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: GM that, you know, when Bill says I'm only coaching 532 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: guys I want to coach, Well, Bill, that's not realistic. 533 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: I'd love to work at a company where everybody's my 534 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: best friend. It doesn't work that way. Well, you know, 535 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't take that literally. I think he's he's got 536 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: I know he's got a you know, a broad level 537 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: of tolerance for different personalities, and as Marv Leevy used 538 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: to say, don't confuse personality and character. You know there 539 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: are two different things. So I don't think Bill's working 540 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: in a narrow in a narrow space. I think what 541 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: he does want is a team that will be team oriented. 542 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: He remember Bill Parcels, his mentor, said he never wanted 543 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: a celebrity quarterback. There was no greater celebrity quarterback than 544 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, right, and then he went and got Cam Newton. 545 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Yes, of course, who couldn't carry Brady's gym 546 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: bag as a quarterback, But you know it was a 547 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: personality for sure. So I think he wants people who 548 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: will buy into the team logic, and the present quarterback 549 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: is perfect for that. I mean, he's absolutely exhibit a 550 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: of that. I do agree that the receiver position needs 551 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: an upgrade and speed. I don't think there's any question 552 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: about that. The offensive line for years was left to 553 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: the magic of Dante Scarnakia. Now Dante's still there as 554 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: an advisor, but I think they've been through a couple 555 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 1: of pensive line coaches and it's hard to replicate Dante's 556 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: He and Howard mud were really one of a kind. 557 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, two of a kind, exceptional. So 558 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: Bill now has to worry about that to some degree, 559 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: which where he didn't have to do that before. So change, 560 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's change. Josh has gone. Now. Most people 561 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: expected that that wouldn't happen, that he would succeed Bill, 562 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: but he didn't, and so it's it's a whole new ballgame. 563 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: But Bill Belichick knows how to win football games better 564 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: than anybody else coaching in the National Football And I 565 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: lost plenty too and one some too, you know, and 566 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: it was a fierce rivalry. But when I was at 567 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: ESPN along with you and doing the color on the 568 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: radio games, I would go out and prepare for the 569 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: game and then do the game and come back and say, 570 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: he just outcoached the other guy. You know, he stole 571 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: the other guy's wallet. Bias special teams. You know, the 572 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: guy is incredible and he knows how to build football teams. 573 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: The only move that they made that puzzled me was J. C. Jackson. 574 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: That was the one that puzzled me, because they don't 575 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: have cap problems. And if he's anything, Bill is a 576 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: brilliant defensive genius, and especially one on the defensive in 577 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: the defensive back end. So the J. C. Jackson moved 578 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: puzzled me. But other than that, I don't question what 579 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: he does and I think he's still on top of 580 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: his game. And to York Central question, he's got a 581 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: broad spectrum of people that he wants to coach. He's 582 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: not into a narrow area just pick and choir boys. 583 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: That's not No one does that and you can't win 584 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: doing that. And he knows that. Finally, all your years 585 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: of being a general manager Hall of Fame, what single 586 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: player that you drafted any around are you proudest off? 587 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: Maybe your scout said Bill, I don't know. Maybe it 588 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: did extra work. Maybe out fox, somebody give me somebody 589 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: that you look up and go, you know what? That 590 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: was a that was a high five day in the room. Honestly, 591 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you Marvel his answer. People say 592 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: to him, are you Mark doesn't have any any children 593 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: or any sons. He's got a daughter stepdaughter, and people 594 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: say to him, are you said that you didn't have 595 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: a son, And his answer was no, I had close 596 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: to a thousand sons during my career, and I feel 597 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: that way about virtually all the guys I drafted. You know, 598 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm proud of what they've accomplished. Frank Wright turned out 599 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: to be exactly what we thought he me, which was 600 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: a great backup quarterback, a great team, made a great person, 601 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: and now a great head coach. But there's so many more, 602 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: you know, I can't. I can't pick one. It would 603 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: it would be I just can't, and I'd be like 604 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: asking me, which of my children do I love best? 605 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: I bet though, I bet you love the process of it. 606 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: I missed the process at this time of the year 607 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: being involved, knowing we're we're sitting here talking about players. 608 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: We don't know forty percent of what the players about. 609 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to speak to the psychologist. I couldn't 610 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: wait to speak to the college head coach. I couldn't 611 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: wait to read this guy out even reports. It's the 612 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: process is just marvelous. It's it's not a burden at all. 613 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 1: There's no pressure, You're you're you're making your team better. 614 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing in the world. The psychologist part. 615 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 1: Did you guys have those way back seventies, eighties two? Yes, 616 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: well eighties yes. We were the first I think to 617 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 1: begin systematized psychological testing and buffalo Wow, so you could 618 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: tell leadership qualities or just talented everything, everything, everything, and 619 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: and now there are any number of purveators of tests 620 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: and interview processes and what have you that give you 621 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: even more information, specific information about processing speed and the 622 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: ability to absorb and regurgitate knowledge and all those kinds 623 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: of things that are so important to play in a position. 624 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: You know, we talk about all the quarterbacks until the 625 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: cows come home. As I say, we don't know the 626 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: most important Do they process? Are they poised? Can they 627 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: regurgitate information? Can they handle pressure? We you know, intellectual pressure, 628 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: which is which is what blitzes and those things are 629 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: all about, you know, the media and we shouldn't know, 630 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: but that's the most part. And information, Bill is always 631 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure. You got a podcast, don't you I do? 632 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: What is it called Bill Polian Inside Football with Bill 633 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: pol There you go, Bill, I love it. I get 634 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: smarter every time. Thank you, sir. Always great to be 635 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: with you. All right the volume, Make sure to check 636 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: out the Draymon Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into 637 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: the volume because one of the more entertaining voices in sports, 638 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: unique perspective understands behind the rope also chops up with 639 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. Make sure 640 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: download The Draymond Green Show wherever you get your podcasts, 641 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: only on the Volume podcast network.