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Speaker 1: this scientist, This Madman himself. I got quite the intro

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Speaker 1: for you. Josh Worser Josh Were is the CEO and

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Speaker 1: co founder of SC Laboratories. Now SC Labs provides compliance,

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Speaker 1: protect excuse me, their businesses. Now, a little bit about

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Speaker 1: this guy right here, Blue. He's a very smart dude.

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Speaker 1: Even though he's a packer fan. He's a very smart

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Speaker 1: guy besides the fact that he's a packer fan. Other

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Speaker 1: than that, Josh's goal is to bring the cannabis industry

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Speaker 1: as well as other cannabis, hemp and Chemical Trade Association committees.

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Speaker 1: He was and it has also served as the President

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you read all those other things, I

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Speaker 1: He has been published in several technical and trade publications,

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Speaker 1: the show. Josh, my brother from another mother. Thank you. No,

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Speaker 1: you didn't make me read all that. Josh. I proudly

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Speaker 1: So you should have some sort of quality control. And

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Speaker 1: I would say, like our food should, you know, the

429
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Speaker 1: rest of the things we consume should be tested more

430
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Speaker 1: because also you know and so so you've got pesticides,

431
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Speaker 1: you've got heavy metals potentially um and and it's good

432
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Speaker 1: that we're testing now. Like we found early on as

433
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Speaker 1: soon as as soon as the heavy metal regulations started

434
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 1: in California, California was the first date to institute them,

435
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: found out that every single vape cartridge on the market

436
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,639
Speaker 1: had let in it. And there was like a one

437
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Speaker 1: month period where everyone is scrambling. There's no one could

438
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Speaker 1: characterist to the market because they couldn't get clean ones.

439
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Speaker 1: And they had a to all the factories in China,

440
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 1: and it took like two weeks and three weeks and

441
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Speaker 1: problem solved. So what and in costing go up? Nothing

442
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Speaker 1: changed except for that, you know, someone someone is calling

443
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Speaker 1: him on it. And so that's the thing with testing

444
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: is I think, um, you know, just minimizing that exposure

445
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Speaker 1: over time. So it's not like I'm gonna smoke some

446
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 1: pests side laceweed and I'm gonna fall over. But if

447
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 1: I do it every day for long enough, you know,

448
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: there's there's high potential for health health effects and you

449
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Speaker 1: wouldn't even maybe attribute them to smoking cannabis every day,

450
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: but um, other things microbiological growth. So you've got yeast,

451
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Speaker 1: you've got molded things like that, and you're you know,

452
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: and you don't want that, you know, getting in your

453
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Speaker 1: lungs if you're if you're uncompromise, and just the kind

454
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Speaker 1: of jet would you find that too? Yeast in molding cannabis.

455
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Speaker 1: So there's all kinds of mold. I mean, you know

456
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Speaker 1: it's funny. It's not funny, it's really sad. But you know,

457
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Speaker 1: I've I've seen people you're likely see it. I mean

458
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Speaker 1: you see it on their plants and I'm like, why

459
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: don't you chop that? Oh no, I'm just cleaning up,

460
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: and you know, like whoa dude, And I mean it's bad.

461
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Speaker 1: I mean's the point where when when we didn't know

462
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Speaker 1: there was mold, people used to think it was crystals

463
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this is fire, bro, and it

464
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 1: would just be mold. And and then there's there's tricks

465
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Speaker 1: you like spray it with like sugar water to crystallize it,

466
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: remember that, and yeah, make it make it look prettier

467
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Speaker 1: on the outside. So I mean, it's just there was

468
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: some shitty ship going on and and I. And it

469
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: was because you had to get your money back, you know.

470
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, there was no there was

471
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Speaker 1: no regulation. It was just and it was and not

472
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 1: only that, you probably smoke it too. You'd be like, oh,

473
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Speaker 1: it's not that bad, and clean it a little bit,

474
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: blow it off, and it's it's cool. Yeah, but it's

475
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: not cool. But it's not cool. I mean you know

476
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Speaker 1: that's the growing Yeah. Yeah, And in PARTI, MILDI is

477
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Speaker 1: probably what you're mostly dealing with. And and and not

478
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Speaker 1: all molds are bad. So like the nice thing that

479
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Speaker 1: California did or the smart thing they did and that

480
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Speaker 1: a lot of other states have done, is only required

481
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Speaker 1: testing for the specific types of molden bacteria that makes

482
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Speaker 1: you sick. Aspergillis we're doing four spieces of Aspergillis for

483
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Speaker 1: the compliance panel and UH California, and then we're also

484
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Speaker 1: doing salmon alonique a lie which give you food poison. So, Josh,

485
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: when you say you know, make you sick, you know, um,

486
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Speaker 1: and you're looking at the actual the molds you know?

487
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Speaker 1: Is that powder? Would that be powder? Mildew? Powder mold?

488
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Speaker 1: Is that that doesn't even get you sick? Which ones?

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know which ones it is, you just

490
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Speaker 1: said it, But I mean, how do you you identify

491
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Speaker 1: and just pull out the h I don't know what

492
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: the terminology? Well, Aspergillus is like your typical black mold

493
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Speaker 1: that would be growing in your walls that you have

494
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: to tear out all your walls and stuff like that.

495
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: Does that come on plant? So it can so, but

496
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: but very rarely, well maybe two percent of the samples

497
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: we see come back positive for for one of the

498
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Speaker 1: four species we're testing forward and but you're not really

499
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: going to see it with the naked eye because it's

500
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: usually not gonna infest the plant to that level, but

501
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: small amounts can be. Yeah, they have toxins, so so

502
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: some asper jolis produced toxins that are directly you know, uh,

503
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Speaker 1: you know, dangerous for you. But then also you have, um,

504
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: you have some of them that that will actually infect

505
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: your lungs if you're like immunocompromise that you've cancer and

506
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: you're in chemotherapy or something like that can kill you.

507
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: So um. So yeah, so it's important and it's it's

508
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: relatively rare. Um. But we use like we we we

509
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: use what's called PCR, so we actually look for the

510
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: DNA of those specipecific species of Aspergillus in the plant material.

511
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: So we do like a DNA extraction and then we

512
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Speaker 1: measure the DNA. Fantastic, man. I want to thank you

513
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: for for taking your expertise and bringing it to this industry,

514
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, because I think, you know, it's it's super

515
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: important for us to have professionals that have degrees that

516
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: understand how to operate you know, companies and scale and

517
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: things like that. So we got a real scientists like him,

518
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: like a real biologist like you you know what I mean,

519
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: Like people who really cared that much that had that

520
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: first job and have the degree and the credit like

521
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: you can work in any pharmaceutical company green Bay Packer. Yeah,

522
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: and and he was he was an outside linebacker for

523
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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. He gave up his NFL career

524
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: to be here. Yeah, I did give it up, my

525
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: sacrifice but but yeah, yeah, and sacrifice. But and and

526
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: and and now there's a you know, there's a lot

527
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: of scientists in the industry, and you know, the industry

528
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: is getting so much more sophisticated from that aspect, but

529
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: early on there wasn't. And so that that that's maybe

530
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: the only secret sauce I had is I had the

531
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: balls to get in early. And uh um, And I've

532
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: been here so gotten to see, like you know, from

533
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: the laboratory perspective, everyone comes to the lab so you

534
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of get you get this like really cool advantage

535
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: point to see this industry kind of grow from where

536
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: it started to where it is today. Well, as you said,

537
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: having the balls to get into it this early. And

538
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: I want to see how your family accepted that, your

539
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: friends from Green Bay, where it wasn't it was tabooish,

540
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And your dad's an engineer

541
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: and maybe as in our electrician excuse me, an engineer,

542
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: maybe he smoked. But I don't know how did the

543
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: family go, Oh, my god, my son's taking this great

544
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 1: college degree from Wisconsin and from Green Bay and all

545
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: these big colleges we sent them to. And you're getting

546
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: into the cannabis space something, what's wrong with you? Yeah?

547
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: They thought had They thought I had gone straight and

548
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, working working mainstream for a few years, and

549
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: then I went right back to it. Yeah, I mean

550
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: early on, that's another thing that's sort of evolved. You know,

551
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: early on, there was certain, um, certain people back home

552
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: that were really excited about it, thought it was pretty

553
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: much the coolest thing ever. And then there's a lot

554
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: of people who are you know, thought I was Yeah,

555
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: I thought I was like the drug dealer, and and

556
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: and you know, it's showned me and and and you know,

557
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: but then your friended you on Facebook. I'm not going

558
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: to be his friend anymore. Yeah. My my dad, you know,

559
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't too warm to it. He's not a smoker,

560
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: and um, you know, but you know, now, I mean

561
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: I've got my found the same family members are coming

562
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: up and be like, hey, which CBD should I take?

563
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: So they're all asking for advice, like you're the doctor,

564
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: like and for me, that's being a scientist, right, And

565
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: it's just not kind of accepting what you're told, looking

566
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: for yourself, you know, finding a hypothesis, testing it out.

567
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: And you know, and I guess said when I first

568
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: smoke Pad, I was like, you know, this is everything

569
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: else They must be a lie too, because I mean this,

570
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: this is clearly not a bad thing. This is helping people.

571
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: And and I never looked at you know, cannabis is

572
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: like you know, anything other than you know, like again, medicine,

573
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: you know something that Joe and I, you know, often

574
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: ask and and we gotta, we really we we really

575
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: want to find out, I guess, is real medical marijuana

576
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: medical cannabis ever be like shaking here, take two of

577
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: these ad bills, take or or even you know, I

578
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: hate to use the terms oxycodon or or viking. And

579
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: will they ever have it based on your weight size,

580
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: based on this dosage and be able to, in your opinion,

581
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: be able to prescribe it in that manner and break

582
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Speaker 1: it down. After this breaks, Cannabis Talk one on one

583
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Speaker 1: will be right back. We'll be right back with Cannabis

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Speaker 1: Talk one oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one

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Speaker 1: to thank everybody over here that's been helping us do everything. Horde, Hey,

590
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Speaker 1: I'm so par as you're not mopping right now while

591
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Speaker 1: the show is going. And Daniel Diego, Caitlin Chance, Becca Michells,

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Speaker 1: p Funk, Jessica camp Solar, Ali Cousin, Ray Goldie, my brother, Pitt,

593
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: Mark Carnes, Chris Frankino, Jennifer Erika, and Elvis. Thank you

594
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: guys all for doing what to do. Josh Werger, the

595
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: president and co founder of SC Laboratory, is one of

596
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: the best labs there is in the game We pob

597
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: we went to break. We asked you a pretty elaborate question,

598
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: which to me in blue we've been waiting for the

599
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: day that we see in here. At two hundred pounds,

600
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: you can take like if I was wanting to do

601
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: my advills would be three advils for the little pain

602
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: I have after my golf game. I would love to

603
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: know do you think, as a scientist after a golf

604
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: game if you take this for cannabis for you know,

605
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: two hundred pound mail. This should eliminate the pain that

606
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: you're in and on top of maybe even harder with

607
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: surgery and using the coding and everything else. Blew was saying, Yeah,

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00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's you know, that's the way

609
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: medicine is going in general, like more and more more

610
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: specialized us an integrated method medicine just for your body type.

611
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: And so I think you know, you can already take

612
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: a take a DNA test, and just based on your

613
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: your DNA um tests, they can you know, sort of

614
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: understanding in some instances which therapeutics might work better for

615
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: you or might not work at all. And I think

616
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: cannabis might get there too. I think with with cannabis um,

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00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: first of all, you have a really complex medicine, you know,

618
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: with with your ib prof and it's it's one molecule,

619
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: one thing. You take it either it works or it

620
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: doesn't work. With cannabis, you sort of have this cocktail

621
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: of bioactive ingredients. All the carnabinoids, they're all bioactive, but

622
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: they don't all do the exact same thing, you know,

623
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: like the CBD blocks the receptors that th C activates

624
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: and um, you know, all the other carnabinoids you know

625
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: some some maybe you know activate the CB one or

626
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: block and block the CB two suits. It's really cool.

627
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: You sort of a cocktail of compounds that all play

628
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: with your endocannabinoid system. And what they're finding is your

629
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: endocannabinoid system. There's at least three or four different types

630
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: of cannabinid receptors in your body and probably even more,

631
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: and they're located all throughout your body. So it's you

632
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: have this really complex system. And I think long term

633
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: that you might be onto it is is you know,

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00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: they draw a little blood test your DNA, kind of

635
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: get get exactly you know what what might or might

636
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: not work for you, and Taylor a cannabinoid based medicine

637
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: for you, and maybe not just cannabinoids to you know,

638
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: other plant medicines. I think cannabis is kind of leading

639
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: us back to some of them, maybe the knowledge we've forgotten,

640
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, so these plant medicines actually worked. We've been

641
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: using them for thousands of years, not just because you know,

642
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: not just because we thought they worked, because you know,

643
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: there was some sort of effect. And I think cannabis

644
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: being such a powerful plant medicine is maybe kind of um,

645
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, uh, shine a light on some of these

646
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: these plant medicines that maybe people thought were kind of

647
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: quacky science or quacky medicine. Um. And then now now

648
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: you're seeing you know, all the pilocybe and stuff happening,

649
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: which is kind of this whole other thing that you know,

650
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: I think is directly attributable to to cannabis. You know.

651
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: Another thought would be, you know, and thank you for

652
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: answering that. You know. Another thought, when back when we

653
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: were growing and and really focusing on, you know, trying

654
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: to put a brand out, you know, because that was

655
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: at first I was like, oh, I'm gonna do a

656
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: brand in this and that I think we were trying

657
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: to grow and get the same exact experience every time

658
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: you take the same hit like a like a cigarette

659
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: or like a Coca cola for example. Is that possible? Yeah,

660
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: you think with the strains because I have seen you know,

661
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: let's call it, you know, purple work or whatever the

662
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: brand is or whatever, you know, let's go more. You know, um,

663
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, whatever pem dog or something. You know, you

664
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: look at a chem dog strain, there's a million different ones.

665
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: But if it's kem Dog ninety one, and if it's

666
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: actually that cam dog, can you get the same exact

667
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: experience every time you grow and smoke that plant? From science? Yeah,

668
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's you'd be surprised how consistent certain growers

669
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: are with with with the genetic and most genetics hold true.

670
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're gonna the grower's gonna affect the yield,

671
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: and the grower can certainly mess it up in during

672
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: harvest and drying and caring, I think. But as the

673
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: plan it's growing, UM, you know, they're remarkably uniform. There

674
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: isn't as much variance in in a in a given

675
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: strain as you think there might be. UM. But you know,

676
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to standardize the natural product. But I think,

677
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, we've certainly seen a lot more of that

678
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: as some of these grows have become more standardized and sophisticated. UM.

679
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: But that's on the chirpeans and then with with you

680
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: know products, especially with like you know distal it's in

681
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: vape cartridges where essentially distilling the THHC or the carnabinoids

682
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: and then adding back your chirpeens. UM. People who do

683
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: that right, can get a lot, can get you know,

684
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: good consistency. But the chirpeans are volatile. It's easy to

685
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: mess those up if you're processing them. Um, you know,

686
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: and in the chirpeans that would give cannabis it's flavor,

687
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: it's a roma, and then kind of you know, give

688
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: it the unique effects you know where where. So so

689
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: there's you know, literally dozens of different chirpeons that cannabis

690
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: can produce, but there's really only six or seven that

691
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: they produce. You know that that show up is sort

692
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: of the dominant cannabinant in the plant. You can really

693
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: sort cannabis into like four broad categories based on their

694
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: chirpeans and so um. And then you know, in a

695
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: lot of it kind of ups with what people I

696
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: think have called Indica sativa. So um, you know, an

697
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: indica strain. You know, even though everything is hybrid now,

698
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: but what what people put on the shelf is in

699
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: Indica is usually that that coach lock is gonna make

700
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: you sleepy. Well, what we find is that's mostly mercy,

701
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: which is a chirpy it's it's in mercy. This is

702
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: a non sedative. And the strains that tend to have

703
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: a lot of mercy are the ones that make you sleepy.

704
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: If there's no mercy and present in in in the cannabis,

705
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: in produce an even mercy, it's it's going to be

706
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: more of an upper effect. So so you know that

707
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: also plays a big part in it too. It's not

708
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: just the cannabinoids, but really standardizing the chirpeans is the

709
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: key for for you know, growing good cannabis or for

710
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: making good inhalable cannabis products. It's all about the chirpeans. Like, um,

711
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: you brought up purple urkle, you know that stream tested

712
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: like four it's you know, there's no original purple orkle

713
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: anymore because no one grow up because it's fourteen percent.

714
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: But that had a great taste and great flavor. People

715
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: loved it back then. I think that's one of them,

716
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: like that that those highs like I enjoy. You know,

717
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, get bleds anymore. For

718
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: forty four. I want to I want to just I

719
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: want to smoke something and just feel good and be

720
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: able to work or or be able to take a

721
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: nice nap. But I don't want to be waking up

722
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: like dude, I'm still dragging because that was you know, uh,

723
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: thirty four or fifty or whatever the hell that the

724
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: highest is, what's the highest you've ever seen tested? Um? Well,

725
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: from from our lab. I've seen some crazy numbers from

726
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: from you know that That's one of the things that

727
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: that that's challenging is a testing lab is a lot

728
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: of people are are giving high results because that's what

729
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: people are are valuing cannabis on, and so they're they're

730
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: moving the numbers rough. Yeah, I mean that's that's that's

731
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: kind of happened at places. Yeah, it happens everywhere. And

732
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: so um, you know, and we're we're we've been around forever,

733
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: and we're around for you know, seven or eight years

734
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: before we had regulations, and so you know, our our

735
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: word was what we had we traded on, you know,

736
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: and so that's never been an option for us. But

737
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean, legitimately, you can get in high thirties, um,

738
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, and and and U especially now that we're

739
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: we're correcting that. But that's what I was gonna say

740
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: about the purple racal too, and it kind of ties

741
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: back is I think that's the real disservice that the

742
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: that the UM testing labs have done to the industry.

743
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: I think the testing labs have been great for the industry. Um,

744
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: all of the infused edible products won't even be possible

745
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: if you didn't have testing labs. Remember back in the

746
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: day where you just kind of make some with some

747
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: butter and soaking and you never even knew, you know,

748
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: like I don't didn't like edibles because I was like,

749
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: I take one, not feel anything. I could take one

750
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: and be on the floor. But but I think I

751
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: think you know what we've done is we've turned cannabis

752
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: into like that. The THHD value is supposed to be

753
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: the quality indicator, and it's not. For me, it's the chirpeans.

754
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I you know, like you said, I'll smoke a fourteen percent,

755
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: I'll just hold it in a little bit longer, smoke

756
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: a little actually the joint. I like doing that, but

757
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: it's typeines. But it's a chirpean. So like the real

758
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: quality indicator of cannabis that that a testing lab can

759
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: tell you, um, is the is the overall chirping content

760
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna give us this flavor, that's gonna give it

761
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: to roma. And and so for me, if if I'm

762
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: growing cannabis, my number one job is to to preserve

763
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: those chirpeans at all costs. And they all evaporate. They

764
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: all evaporate at you know, just a little over room temperature,

765
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: so it's not easy. You know. Um, I want to

766
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: bring something up that you know, I feel like you

767
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: were pivotal in, which was the California State Fair. Um,

768
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, would you tell us a little bit about

769
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: what you did, because I think the first ever to

770
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: ever actually go out and convince them or help convince

771
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: convince the same cannabis in there. Yeah, and Teddy's got

772
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: we got a new guest on the show, Teddy's Question,

773
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Joe's Dogs here with us today, Teddy's to go to

774
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: the YouTube. Can you tell us a little bit about

775
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: you know how important that was and and um, you know,

776
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: groundbreaking for for our industry to to bring cannabis and

777
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: how you got it done and how you made it happen. Yeah.

778
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: So so um uh they came to us basically, Um,

779
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: the group that that got basically talked the State Fair

780
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: into into allowing cannabis. And you know they couldn't do

781
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: um judging just kind of a lot of the logistics.

782
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: They couldn't have live judging and so UM. They know

783
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: some of the work we've done for that the Emerald

784
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: Cup and and and part of that is the chirping thing.

785
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: So we we put the different entries into class is

786
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: based on their their their Chirpean category like and then

787
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: within that category, we were able to find the best

788
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: based on kind of overall chirping content. So we we

789
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: basically used our lab tests to sort and then to

790
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: rank the entries into the into the UM into the

791
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: State Fair, and and you know, hopefully at some point

792
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: we'll combine that with live judging. I think the most

793
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: powerful is like what the Animal Cup does where they

794
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: combined the data and they've been doing that for they've

795
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: been testing with us as like a first job back

796
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: in two thousand and ten. UM. Yeah, yeah, because yeah,

797
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: when we were good friends with Tim Blake, who who

798
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: who started Taylor's Daughter and so um that was our

799
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: first gig back in two thousand tents. So they're the first,

800
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: they're they're one of the first events that would would

801
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: do testing. UM. But but back to the State Fair,

802
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: so we were just really excited to be involved because

803
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, the state fairs where the whole agri cultural

804
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: community comes to kind of show off their best, you know,

805
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: and it's really cool to have cannabis included in with

806
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: the rest of the ager cultural goods. Um. It's certainly

807
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: a major crop for California. And and then also, um,

808
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: it was just you know, just groundbreaking for kind of

809
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, just another one of those things that we've

810
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: seen along the lay. We're like, oh, we're being accepted,

811
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: We're going mainstream for better or worse, and and and

812
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: uh um. But but yeah, it was an honor to

813
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: get to participate. It went off without a hitch. I

814
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: was I was hoping that um, you know they you know,

815
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: judging just based on test results, UM, would go well.

816
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: And people seem to think it was pretty cool. And

817
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: so um, you know, we'll be working with them again

818
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: this coming year. And and just really excited about about

819
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: that opportunity and the fact that just cannabis. Did they

820
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: actually have flower there or just the plants or did

821
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: they have both all? Yeah, And they had a whole

822
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: they had a whole building dedicated to cannabis, and they

823
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: had a really good you know wall of with all

824
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: kinds of graphics on it and teaching about cannabis for

825
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: anyone who's coming through the fair. Um you know, all

826
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: the all the all the flowers behind the glass case,

827
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: they had a couple of plants growing and there it was.

828
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: It's really really cool set up and they just want

829
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: full ham. You know, they didn't have on site consumption,

830
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: but maybe someday. Yeah, I mean they definitely had the

831
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: beer there though someone smoked. Yeah, I saw people consuming,

832
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: and I mean you can't stop consumption anywhere and this

833
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: goes down everywhere. Jo I'm so curious, jous, is there

834
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: anything that you've ever tested a plant or as you

835
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, are the mad scientists that you are, and go, wow,

836
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know cannabis had this, or look what we

837
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: found and let's explore more. But maybe it's gonna take

838
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: you too long or too much time and effort if

839
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: it's not paying you to to check. But it's like,

840
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: is there something that you've been because it's it's one

841
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: of the things that I get so overwhelmed about. Meaning,

842
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: I've heard so much about this plant, of what it

843
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: does and how many new molecules and how many of

844
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: this and it's still infantyl of what it can do.

845
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: They don't know yet as much as it can do.

846
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: Because now here's a new cb D E leven cb

847
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: G this and all this and all that, and it's

848
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: like always something new is coming out, and uh, is

849
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: there anything that you ever found that you were like,

850
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: holy smokes, I can't believe the plant is doing this

851
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: or I found this in it. Well, okay, so one

852
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: one is an old story, but it was back two thousand,

853
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: two thousand, eight thousand when I was working at steep Hill.

854
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: And you know, it's kind of a boring job because

855
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: at the time, all we tested his cannabino and is

856
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: on We tested as THC, CBD and CBM and then

857
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: UM and and so basically I'll just looking at samples

858
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: every day with you know, different amounts of THHC and them,

859
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden one came through and

860
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: oh there's something else in here at CBD. And that

861
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: was the first high CBD strain that was really available

862
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: in the medical market. They sold it at Harbor Side.

863
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: It was like an O G crossed with yeah. And

864
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: that was and that kind of started the whole They

865
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: they and we call them up and like, you know,

866
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: you have something special here UM. And then after that

867
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: you had you know, Harlequin and a couple of other strains,

868
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: but back then, like CBD people and put two and

869
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: two together and just when got some hemp seeds and

870
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: get some CBD. But so, you know, but back then

871
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: that was rare. People are getting five thousand a pound

872
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: for for some CBD. Yeah, yeah, and so and so

873
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: that was a big deal and that that kind of

874
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: kicked off the whole CBD thing. And you know, look

875
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: where we are now with legalized hemps. So that was

876
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: a cool one. But what we do a lot these

877
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: days actually had helping people chase down like weird things.

878
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: So we have we had a couple of manufacturers and

879
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: they're all lip bombs and they're all popping positive for

880
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: this pesticide called Kuma pholus and the Kuma folks wasn't

881
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: in the in the cannabis material. They're spiking it and

882
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: like where is this coming from? Well, you know, and

883
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: we have all kinds of stories like this, but we

884
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: had to track it down for them. And what we

885
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: did is we tracked down that um Cuma pholus is

886
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: actually a d mighty agent and they use it directly

887
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: on bees, but they also like for for my killing

888
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: and so um and so they also sprayed on livestock.

889
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, they kind of have them go through like

890
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: a car wash and they just spray them down to

891
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: keep keep the mites off of them. And so the

892
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: bees any any even if you bought sourced organic bees wax,

893
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: because we trace it to the bees wax, it was

894
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: laced with this pesticide um. But so so what are

895
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: what our suppliers had to do to to be able

896
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: to pass the California compliance tests with their lip bombs

897
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: is they had to source bees from a hive that

898
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't within a fifty mile radius, because that's how

899
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: far I guess bees fly um of of a livestock operation.

900
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: But it was like no one could make any bees

901
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: wax products for a little while, and toil we figured

902
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: that out. So it's just kind of fun tracking down

903
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: all these other consumer products that we use that are contaminated,

904
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: but that you know, we don't know what ever tracked

905
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: down because none of these products are tested to the

906
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: level that cannabis is. You know, I'll tell you what

907
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: that's That's the kind of you know, research that you

908
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: really want though, because you definitely don't want to put

909
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: something that has you know, any kind of pest side

910
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: on your lip, right, because that's right there in your

911
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: face and your mouth all the good places. Yeah. Yeah,

912
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: So so listen, I mean, before you know, before we

913
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: go into the high five, you know, I want to

914
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: ask you, you know, just just again, like you know,

915
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: how how is the cannabis industry treated to? How do

916
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: you where do you see it going? And? Um, you

917
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: know what what's the big plan for for your company? Um? Well,

918
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: for for us, we're we're kind of an expansion mode.

919
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a tough time for for cannabis

920
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: labs in general. Um, and and so you know we're

921
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: doing it slowly and measured measuredly. I guess if that's

922
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: the word I say slow moneys for show money, Yeah exactly,

923
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, and we've been here a long time, you know,

924
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: and we've learned that don't chase every shiny thing. Yeah,

925
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: and so um, but we're we're an expansion mode now.

926
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: We we we had the two labs for a long

927
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm the one in Santa Cruz one in Oregon. We

928
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: just opened the SoCal lab. We have two labs in Denver,

929
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: one a hemp lab and one a cannabis lab. We

930
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: have a lab in Michigan now um and then and

931
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: then you know, soon we're opening one in New York. UM,

932
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: looking at one in Arizona. That that pretty soon. So

933
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: so we're expanding kind of slowly. We we we brought

934
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: some new investors on kind of to help us weather

935
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: the storm and to help us expand. So it's sort

936
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: of trying to to take take sc labs, um, you know,

937
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: bring it to some of these other states. Um, maybe

938
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: that maybe that have a little bit better economics than

939
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: California too and in some regard but uh um, but

940
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: but they're not not lose kind of the special secret

941
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: sauce that kind of made us labs to begin with.

942
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: So it's fantastic. I'm excited about that because I think,

943
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: like I said, when I think of lab testing here

944
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: and and I'm I'm in this industry and I've dealt

945
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: with all the different um actors you know in the game,

946
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, from before and after, and you guys have

947
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: been very consistent and have been here first quite some time.

948
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: And I just remember always everybody talking about you guys,

949
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, lab for for the last since you know,

950
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: two ten, you know, I mean I really remember, like

951
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: it was go to se Labs. They got real testing.

952
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: Go to se Labs. These guys are really doing it.

953
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: And it was you know, there was all these other little,

954
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, pop ups happening, but it was still that

955
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: sc labs kind of was from for my generation, was

956
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: like a little staple. And and to see Josh you

957
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: here now and to see what you've done and built

958
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: out your locations and stuff like that. And I'm sure

959
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: you've heard of us and seeing our growth as well.

960
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: It's it's that slow. I I know it takes. You know,

961
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: it's not a fast food you're not here. A lot

962
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: of these guys aren't aren't here no more. The reason

963
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: they're not here is because they're I call it fast food.

964
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: They're here to eat really quick, get fat, and then

965
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: roll over into another you know food food you know,

966
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: source and go eat somewhere else, real fat and then

967
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: goes they're just you know, fly by night. You know, um,

968
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: you've made this a career and and brought your intelligence

969
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: to this industry and we appreciate it, man, So thank you,

970
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: no doubt. It's it's been a it's been a joy.

971
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: Like I said at the beginning of the show. So

972
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: now Josh Werzer we like to do the high five

973
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: with everybody that comes on the show. As you were

974
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: the president and co founder of SC Laboratories, how are

975
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: you the first time you smoked cannabis and where did

976
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: you get it from? I'm pretty sure it was sixteen,

977
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen, maybe yeh fifteen. I was fifteen, just about

978
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: to turn sixteen, and uh, um, I I the very

979
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: first time I smoked it. Actually, we found something. We

980
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: found a bag of weed that someone had fallen out

981
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: of someone's pocket and McDonald's and so it might have

982
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: been a freshman. We went and smoked it, but we

983
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: didn't get really high. The first time I really got

984
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: got high, Um, it was after a high school basketball game.

985
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: My buddy pulled up and said, hey, we're going. We're going.

986
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: I forget, I forgot the name of the kid's house

987
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: that we're at. We're going. We're going to smoke weed

988
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: over there. They've got a bong. So I jumped in,

989
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: like I'm games. So we jumped in, went over there

990
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: and smoked. And these kids had like a four football

991
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: and they lived in their mom's girl odians had a

992
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: cool set up, and we got we got some some weed,

993
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: and I think it's I think it's the old like

994
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: road kill skunk and I filled up that big bombing

995
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: and kind of a tippet and have someone else like it.

996
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: Took one hit and I was I was, I was gone.

997
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: I was all my long. I end up sleeping to

998
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: my friend's car in Wisconsin in the middle of winter,

999
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: so home I couldn't go home. I couldn't have my

1000
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: Like that's blue balls for sure, right, So question number

1001
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: two of the high five, what is your favorite way

1002
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: to use or smoke cannabis? I still smoke joints almost

1003
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: most of the time. Like I like to have a

1004
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: cartridge for convenience. I like dab now and again. But

1005
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an old fashioned joint guy. I like to

1006
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: roll a joint. There's nothing wrong with that. Question number

1007
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: three of the High five, craziest place you ever used

1008
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: cannabis or smoked? Well, I guess that's just the craziest

1009
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: place I've been because I'm usually smoking cannabis wherever I'm going.

1010
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: But shoot, um, I'm gonna getting myself in trouble here

1011
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: and I get banned from those packer games. But since

1012
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: you brought it up, you know, I'm a big fan

1013
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: of of of imbibing in the in you know that

1014
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of like the family bathrooms and like stadiums where

1015
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: you can just kind of go in, lock the door

1016
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: and have a little puff. That's my that's my secret trick. Now,

1017
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I just let it out. Something there it is. You know,

1018
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: that's a great place. It's owned by the you own

1019
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: it all the people. You can't smoke in the stadium anymore,

1020
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: so you gotta go find your spot right well you

1021
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: can if you're I'll do it. Question number four of

1022
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: the high five. What is your go too muchee after

1023
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: you get high? Shoot? That's changed over the years. Funnyans

1024
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: were always a good one, you know. If I'm I'm going,

1025
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to classic. They're just like I like, we

1026
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: literally had some little bags. I take a bag home

1027
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: like They're just a classic whatever. You don't even have

1028
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: to be high. They just love some funnians. Yeah, I'll

1029
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: go with funny and funny. Stick with that one. I

1030
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: would think you do some kind of cheese, you know,

1031
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: it's funny with some cheese dip, some cheese curds made made,

1032
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: some fresh cheesecurts, not those deep fried ones you know,

1033
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: for for you know, just dipping your toes and you

1034
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: like a fresh, fresh cheese carets right from the cheese factory.

1035
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: I had many of those. I just love it that

1036
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: the cheese heads and like you're from Green Bay and

1037
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: it's like in my head, it's just all cheese. It's

1038
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: just Oh God makes me want to have some cheese

1039
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: and cracker today. I'm gonna order some fried cheese right now,

1040
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: some star. I like the grilled cheese. I like all

1041
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of cheese. Bread. I gotta stay up with bread. Yeah,

1042
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: that's getting tight gold. That's not nice. Even Teddy's looking

1043
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: at him like, oh, brother, can't tell you the truth.

1044
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: No one came question number five of the High Five

1045
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: with Josh words Or, the president and co founder of

1046
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: sc Labs. If you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead

1047
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: or alive, who would it be? And why? All right? Well,

1048
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: I want to say Jesus, but I feel like that

1049
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: that's that's too easy. I feel like that's not no,

1050
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: it's not that alright, Jesus Christ. But if if, if,

1051
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna pick someone, if he doesn't make it,

1052
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't make it. If he's busy, and then he's

1053
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: got a lot to do. We got time to burn

1054
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: a bush stumped after Jesus. But but we're near Los Angeles, California,

1055
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: home of the Doors, So i'd have to say, Jim Morrison,

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Speaker 1: what's your favorite song Ship Roadhouse Blues. Wow, Jim Morrison, huh,

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Speaker 1: I love them. Yea. The Doors were freaking hot, man.

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Speaker 1: That was a big band. That was big, big, big,

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Speaker 1: big dude. That was like depeche Mode. The cure, that

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Speaker 1: whole that whole error was really cool. Show me, show me,

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Speaker 1: show me all those guys singing. But I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think Jesus doors the doors were The doors were good.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can go see the doors. Didn't walk

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Speaker 1: on water, That's what I'm saying. You know, they didn't

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Speaker 1: come back almost they didn't burn the original bush and

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Speaker 1: the wine. I'm saying they didn't, you know, do a

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Speaker 1: few things that were pretty impressive by this carpenter. What

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Speaker 1: was his name? His sus No, that's Jesus, definitely. So

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Speaker 1: what would you ask Jesus if you if you could

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Speaker 1: sit and smoke with Jesus, what would you ask me? Shit? Um,

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Speaker 1: that's a good one. No, ship yeah, Scots. So what's

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Speaker 1: the purpose of life? Yeah? There you go. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: put it in a good way with your dad. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, right, Hey, can you get me through

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Speaker 1: them Pearly gates? Am I good to go? Like Rodney Josh?

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Speaker 1: Is there anything we forgot man before we let you go?

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Speaker 1: So impressive with your history and your whole pal No, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean check us out at slabs

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Speaker 1: dot com. I be if you need testing. But if

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Speaker 1: you do, we've probably already been calling yourself. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm really excited the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: come on the show and he did. Yeah, that's testable.

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