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At the very beginning, we're gonna give 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:03.920 you all the details you want to know about where 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.080 we're going to be, when we're going to be there, 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.199 and how you can get tickets. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.119 Be there or b square. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.160 Uh trying to figure. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.080 It's a great start to start. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.080 Well, I'm gonna do a better start here, right, start over, Phil, Okay, 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:31.520 what's throwing my glasses? 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:32.880 They're fine, they're fine. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.200 I'm turning up my magnification. 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.560 Is this one of those times where you're joking about 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.920 cutting it out or you actually want to like start. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.200 Over, Okay, let's do it. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.400 Well, I was gonna talk. I don't know you decided 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.560 later Phil, I was gonna So we recently, just to 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.280 just bring people into up to speed. First off, this 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.040 is my The episode is called well it's not. In 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.840 the old days, it would have been called Mung Dudes 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:04.040 Are Trouble, Part two, And we're joined by Yah Yang 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:09.520 and in Year Yang Vang Year Vang and yeah you 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.960 used to be Yeah, I used to be Yeah, yes, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.359 that simplifies thing. How you guys, how well do you 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.280 guys know what you've met in the past. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.760 Never met He's familiar with your food. Well, I listened 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.360 to the pod with him on with you guys, but 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:25.359 other than that. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:25.960 Got it. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.880 But he's he's you've eaten at his restaurant, Yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.919 probably doesn't know this, but I've been at like he 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.200 caters fun fundraisers that you did the Monk Museum fundraisers. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.120 Oh sure that. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.400 You probably don't know this, but you did a a 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:48.040 house catering party. This is pre pandemic, and it was 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.320 in somebody's basement. You came to the house and I 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.640 was in that party. It was for our fortieth birthday party. 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:56.160 And they had your your. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:57.480 Team coach, I think I remember. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.520 Yeah, yeah, you were introducing us to like edible flowers 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:01.239 and stuff like that. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.760 So yeah, like among dudes don't if they meet, they 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.760 don't necessarily like trade information. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.240 Yeah, I mean Steven Slay white people like, you know, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.960 it's different white people, but you are related. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:17.840 It's different white people, white people in America. If okay, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:23.320 if I was in if we have how many people 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.680 are in this country three hundred three hundred three okay, okay, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:32.160 for me to run into a white dude born in America, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.800 that doesn't catch my attention. If I had been born 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:47.160 in uh Laos, Okay, and uh was displaced by activities 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:52.120 around the Vietnam War and wound up in Minneapolis, Minnesota, 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.280 and I ran into another dude roughly my age who'd 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.720 been through a similar set of circumstances, I don't know. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.280 I feel like you'd be like, oh. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.720 Wow, yeah. I think the thing that people have to 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.680 realize is in Minneapolis, there's seventy five thousand Mongk people 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.120 in the metro, Is it really Yeah, seventy five thousand 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.040 Mongk people in the metros. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.280 You can't keep track everybody. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.920 No, yeah, like we like we don't all subscribe to 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.000 the same newsletter. But you know it's you know sometimes 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:22.359 the media. Yeah, no, seventy five thousand. It's the largest, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.159 most concentrated among people out outside of China, the South 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.760 China area where there's about two million there. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.839 But yeah, see, you guys have the problem of having 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:37.120 too many of of your your your culture because if 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.760 I meet a Latvian, I don't know, I don't know them. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.920 I know somebody that they know, they make they make well, 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.600 even even with like the monk. Like, so the thing 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.000 with the Mongk people is we have eighteen clans or 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.720 eighteen last names, you know, so there's like our tribal 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.239 names within that too. Like there's a way of finding 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.920 out like you're related to somebody to you know, some way, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.839 if you go back far enough, you know, you'll always 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.919 be like, oh yeah, so like that uncle's you know, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.320 aunt's cousin Da da da. And that's kind of what 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.160 makes among people such a really strong united front. So 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.960 like in the Twin Cities areas. They have what's called 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.800 the eighteen Clan, where each clan has a representative that 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:19.320 you know, and and they're kind it's kind of like 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.320 the Jedi Council. I mean they have I mean I'm serious, dude, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.800 Like they come in, they meet and they have you know, 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.040 they have like they put out you know, different you know, ideas, 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.960 and they're like, okay, let's you know, go to your 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.240 clan and then you know, tell them that, you know, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.320 this is what the new rule for this is. And 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.920 then yeah, that's I mean they do that. I mean, 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.360 so what rule for what is okay for? For example? 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.560 So in our culture some culture, I mean you could 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.960 you know, yeah, you can help me on this, yeah, Dowery, Dowery. 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.200 Still it's still part of our culture. Dowry Yep, Yep. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.320 That's a good deal, dude, if you is that? Is 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.600 that just symbolic now or is there like some substance 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.799 to it a little bit? I mean there's some symbolic 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.040 stuff to it. There's some you know that there's like 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.120 all these like inside yeah, there's all these inside mung jokes, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.600 you know, like like it's it's a it's like one 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.680 of those things where now I mean at points where 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.520 it's like, for example, you can trace back to like 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.080 so for examples like the Yang clan wrong, the More 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.159 clan this way, and you can trace it back and 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.160 then the dowry they'll be fines in the dollar. He's no, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.080 I'm just using for example, Yeah, and and and you 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:29.040 can trace it back Steve Steve's he's like clan Trouble 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:33.520 and Mu culture. Let's yeah, yeah, we find something definitely. 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.640 And then they would be like, oh, well we can 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.760 find that group this much, and then you know, and 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.599 then it'd be like, oh, the dowary is like twenty 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.800 five k or something, you know. And you know, so 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.719 I think one of the things that they kind of 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.760 started talking about is just the ridiculousness of these fines 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.320 that are huge, and these young couples are like, I 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.640 don't have the money for this, you know. And so 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.280 there was, you know, there was kind of these rules 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.039 that were put out or saying, hey, let's kind of 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:01.919 demolish all this kind of tribal conflict from from generations 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:03.640 and generations ago. And so you know, they put out 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:04.800 a big statement about that. You know. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:10.120 Also they also capped the the dowry a set amount 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.120 so that everybody should just follow that versus otherwise. It 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.400 is a it goes all night negotiation. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.120 Yeah, you know how I just got caught being racist, 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.800 like thinking you guys knew each other. Let me tell 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:21.160 you something. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:21.600 Yeah. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.040 Normally when a white guy gets caught being racist, he'll 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.200 do stuff like he'll be like, well, I'm gonna do 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.880 more listening than talking, right, I'm not, well, I'm gonna 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:35.120 do more talking to listening because let me tell you something. Yeah, 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:36.760 has been pitching you to us. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:38.280 Yeah. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.080 I was like, you should have this guy on. So 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.120 eventually where we got you to where we got you 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.320 to come on, we said to yeah, you should come 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:46.360 out and hang out. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:47.480 Yeah. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:48.160 Is that bad? 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.960 I feel like that's great. No, No, it's it's awesome. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.680 You know, it's funny. My buddy Jordan, he like wrote 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.240 in a little something so on his episode, I was like, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.640 this guy's awesome, my best friend. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:01.600 So you did it too. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.000 In June of twenty twenty one, I pulled it up today. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.840 It took me some doing, but in Gmail, I was 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.320 like I totally sent an email. I now I don't 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.240 know if I, you know, wrote it well or not 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.640 and I know you did the same thing and the 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.400 same thing he wrote, the guys I'd like to know 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.440 each other. And it was more so, this is another 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.160 great I know, white guy. It's not exactly what I said. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.720 I feel like that's not what I'm saying. But yeah, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.560 I mean, and Jordian said the same thing, you know, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.440 and and he's like, hey, you know, and and then 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.840 I kind of it was really funny Stevee like, especially 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.520 with the whole crew here, I kind of he told me, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.400 I'm sending the scene on the mediator. Maybe they'll have 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.720 you out sometimes. I'm like, I prophesied, yeah. And then 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.880 I'm like, cool, bro, if you do, and I get 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.839 to go, I'll bring you and we like both laughed 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:42.679 and we're like ha ha ha. And then that was 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.319 where he is, can you introduce yourself? 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.640 Done a horrible job introducing there, But I don't we 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.400 haven't even got into Yanni's Mountain. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.960 Sorry, yeah, sorry, Yannie, I don't just do it. Do 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:52.360 it quick? 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.760 You plug yourself, plug your Yeah. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.960 Yeah, so Yabang we from Minneapolis area. We have a 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.400 restaurant called Union Munk Kitchen and then we're building out 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.640 a second one that's in the works and hopefully I'll 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.520 be finalized by this week. Called v n I, which 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.560 is the refugee camp that my parents met in I 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.360 was born in. Over ninety thousand Mong people went through 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.000 there from seventy five to ninety two, and so we 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.120 wanted to name this restaurant v n I. It's our 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.320 first big brick and mortar project. It I tell people, 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:25.880 it's a love letter to my mom and dad. So 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.120 that's what that restaurant will be when we get done, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.080 hopefully twenty twenty four. Springtime. Great, but yeah we have 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.120 we have other restaurants and all the other little things 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:35.400 we do. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.000 Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna dive into your 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.640 your food and your past and all that kind of stuff. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.920 We worked off of just that little pitch, the like 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.000 I want one on the list love letter to mom 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:46.400 and dad. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.559 I'm sold. Yeah, it's been It's been really fun, man, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:50.320 it's been really fun. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.440 So Ryan Callahan still me and then go ahead. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.240 And my name's Jordan Vold, college buddy of you. We 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.000 went to school UW Lacrosse US years ago. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.080 And you're the guy. He said. If he comes out 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.000 of the show you're coming. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:08.640 To tattooed on his parm right there. 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:10.000 That's great. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.080 I gotta get one of them. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.600 I mean, there's nothing like a bluegill. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:19.160 No, my kid has one now in a tank, so 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.040 you're gonna saytoo tank. I love that thing so much. Man, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.600 we feed it like worms and stuff with that bluegill 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.600 is trained. Now he used to be kind of spooky 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.680 that when you come in the room. Now that bluegill 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.000 is lined up. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.320 That w I don't want to get way into it. 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.760 But two summers ago I never met my dad's dad, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:47.160 my paternal grandfather. He loved you know, he's loved to fish, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.439 fish bluegill like any good Wisconsin. I never met him. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:54.560 Was fishing with my dad and his brother, my uncle Ron, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.920 and he had like a picture counter. I don't know 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.640 if people do that to like count how many fish 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:04.280 sugar the boat to make sure we him later yuh 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.680 hit the clicker, and my dad and my uncle Ron 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.319 were just saying, Grandpa, you know, our dad, my grandpa, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.040 who I never met, would have loved this. And I 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.199 was just you know that moment, I was like, that'd 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.800 be cool, it'd be cool to do, you know. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.439 I was telling my kids about the other day because 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.240 I was saying to them, I can't wait till that 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.199 bluegill turns into a keeper. They're like, you know, I 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.760 can eat no what I mean, Like, Dad just wanted 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.360 to be that looking in the aquarium and it's like 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.480 a keeper bluegill in there. And I was telling him 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.040 when I was a little cap member, my dad made 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.160 us sticks that were six inches long with your name 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.079 written on it, and if you were fishing bluegills, you 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.800 had to have that stick. And if it wasn't as 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.679 long as that stick, you didn't bring it home. Because 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.720 he so sick of c four or four inch blue gills. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:50.160 Yep, y. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.640 I told you my little story about the neighbor that 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.120 fished with in North Carolina. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.560 He's a neighbor of my in laws. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.760 And he used to be like, had his sales or something, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.160 and Rey's fishing tackle maybe anyway, so he went and 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.240 saw a lot of tackle dealers, tackle makers, et cetera. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.600 And he said he had been in the place where 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.480 there's a bunch of aquariums with large mouthed bass in them. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.360 He walked in there once with other dudes with white 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.960 coats on, and as you walked down these aquariums. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:17.800 The fish would. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.160 All just turn and watch these and the guys be like, oh, yeah, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.199 it's time for a new batch, because like, you can't 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.120 test a lure on a fish that it's just like 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.000 waiting drop something into the association. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.079 Yeah, we're to come right. Back's got a story. I 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.439 don't even know. I don't even know the story. I 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.080 don't even know what it is. Chester's here. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.760 Yep. Well, my mom was in labor with me on 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.080 Mullet Lake while my dad and Mullet were fishing bluegills. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.120 Keep back. I just got so distracted. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:47.560 She was in the boat as well. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.480 We went into labor and there were fishing bluegills on 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.480 Mullet Lake, so. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.360 So it was like a race to get your limit. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.160 That's my connection to bluegills. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.120 Holds fishing wall eyes. The day your kid was born. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:09.000 Mm hmm. Yeah, Yangs here, thanks for coming. Yeah, of 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:14.040 course you're gonna hit youth turkeys with us again. Of course, 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.240 you know they're they're they're gonna it's things are moving 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.640 along to get youth season to four days. Yeah, it's great. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.200 And your daughter got a turkey after we hunted together. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.280 Yes, yes, and you. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:26.800 Got a buck. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.079 Last year, you got a buck. Last year, I got 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:29.480 a turkey. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.760 This year you did. Yeah. Oh that's right, you said, yeah, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.040 that's great. All r Yeah, you're ready to tell this. Oh, 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.920 can I tell one thing before you tell your thing? 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.520 You bet? Yeah, he's got a mountain lion story. It's 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:40.960 not You're not in it, though, are you? 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.880 No? Okay, second hand. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:44.679 I'm just trying to think. I'm trying to think of 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.319 a way to plug my buddy's uh business again, not 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.880 just thought of it. Uh, Chester explained the tax exchange 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:52.360 we just had. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.319 Uh. Steve introduced me to his buddy, Matt Matt Tros. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.600 Matt Tros, he's got a little bar yet he opened 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.280 up mobile bar, and uh. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.480 Is there a direct sale of alcohol with this mobile bar? 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.880 Uh? Well, no, you have to supply, you have to 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:12.400 buy the boots. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.320 Other Let's say you live in northern Michigan and you're 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:22.040 having an event, Yes, fiftieth wedding anniversary, a regular wedding. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.720 Yeah, but we didn't just have that in the text exchange. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.080 No, I'm just helping. Like I said, I was using 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.360 this as a jump off point. And you want to 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.080 have a great experience for your guests. So what you 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:41.000 do is you go to Roaming n o m I 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.680 Roaming Northern Michigan but is not Roaming Nomi dot com. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.720 My buddy's a school teacher. This is his summertime business. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.600 He has a camper trailer rigged up like a bar. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.720 When you're doing your event and you're you know, you 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.680 get married, you're like serving booze. Anyways, he helps you 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.040 figure out what your booze order needs to be. You 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.160 call in and pay for your booze at the booze store. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.800 He picks the booze up, brings his mobile camper bar. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.640 Two year event. Him and his wife worked there, work 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.720 at it. They then open the window and your guests 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.240 at your wedding go up to the bar. They do 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.160 signature drinks, custom cocktails. They take care of everything. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:26.960 Yep. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:31.040 And nothing to gain from this pretty soon if you 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.520 want it. And Chester has just out of the kindness 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:35.280 of his little heart. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.200 My parents own a cocktail garnish company out of Wisconsin. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.000 So if you go to any grocery store liquor store 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.080 and you look for garnishes, it's probably forest flour foods. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.040 But now you're going to be able to go to 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.080 Matt Drozer's mobile box, Droast Drost and. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.400 Order a bloody makes a Western big game. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:59.720 But you're going to be able to order a bloody 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.080 Mary and he's gonna have all the fixings for it. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.520 Or you're gonna be able to order an old fashion. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.120 You'll get a sweet pickled mushroom as a garnish or 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.880 really whatever you want. Nice cherries for kitty, cocktail for 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.480 your kids. Maybe even we throw those in there too. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.840 But I got more Matt Droll stories, and you'd be 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:22.160 able to stomach we used to drink. I remember Mad 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:23.520 Dog twenty twenty. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.880 Well, I don't really remember it, but I like Matt. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.120 I feel like he had a thirty thirty rifle. We 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.440 used to call him MD thirty thirty because like mad Dog, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.640 you know that's not a good one. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.800 I got some good if I do have some good ones. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:44.440 Yeah, let's not get into Mad Dog twenty twenty stories. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:44.600 All right. The Mountain Lion story. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.440 Okay, so this story comes from my buddy Jeff Flood, 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.840 who I met through Bart George, who's our big game 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.120 biologist friends. It works out, yeah, for the coutiney tribe 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:03.840 in Washington and our buddy Bruce help Bart with a 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.360 mountain lion collaring project that you can I forget which 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.399 episode it is. Maybe Karent will plug it in, but 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.440 you can hear all about it. When we had bart 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.159 On telling us about this coloring study there. 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.440 What episode is that kar it was? 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.679 You know, I remember it was. It was COVID. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.040 It was early COVID because I remember we came and 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:25.360 it was like mid twenty. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.680 Yeah, it was. It was remote because of COVID. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.400 Yeah, so they're they're researching like how much if they 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:36.119 can deter lions from being around humans by playing loud 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:44.760 human voices to them repeatedly. That's not what they're doing. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.440 It's a little more complicated, but go ahead. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.040 Well, I know I'm trying to simplify it so I 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.240 can get to the main part of the story. So 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.040 to do this, they call they catch cats and they 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.000 collar them, and they catch them the first time using 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.760 hounds and they collar them, and then when they come back, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.040 they know the location of the cat because it's been collared, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.600 and they can walk up to it playing usually the 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.080 Meter podcast at a loud volume, and then they measure 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.879 at what point the cat runs how far it runs. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.119 Because they're creating an association. Yes, in this cat's mind, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.720 they're creating association between trouble and human voices. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.159 That's right, because after they hear the human voices, the 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.800 hounds are released and then they're sort of you know, 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.760 run agitated by hounds up into a tree and. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:34.920 They make that association. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.679 Yeah, they do that repeatedly, and then they you know, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.679 take the data. So it's ongoing study. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.480 This being because in the old days, if a lion 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.640 so much has looked at a person, it was dead, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.400 And nowadays there's a little less social tolerance for that, 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.320 for lethal control of right. 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:51.800 That's right. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.480 Yeah, Well, there's a lot of stuff going on over 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.800 there in north east Washington. We won't get into it 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.080 with just the whole the controversies around mountain lions and 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:01.680 people and. 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.240 Just the state and the governor and the Game commission. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:06.959 We need to do a dedicated episode on that. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:08.080 Oh man. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:17.280 Yeah, we're hustling hard on getting actual current commissioners signed 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.200 off on interviews and stuff like that. I think everybody 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.919 over there knows that they're not really well received right now, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:26.240 so we're not making a lot of headway. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.840 Yeah, my least favorite governor in America used to be 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.639 Murphy over New Jersey because he campaigned against bear hunts, 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.200 and my new least favorite governor is Insley in Washington. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:43.679 Go on, so they call Heed a female off of 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:49.240 a deer kill in late March, and a lot of 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:50.920 times this is Jeff doing this work. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:51.440 A lot of times. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.480 What Jeff does is if he sees a deer kill 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.320 and it's there's enough carcass left, he'll throw up a 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.760 camera just to see what happens. Right, So he threw 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:05.720 up a camera and in the first night, four adult 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.679 lions and two kittens show up that night. So he 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.720 just said, needless to say, it didn't last long. This 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.480 is that's kind of a little side story to the 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:13.080 main story. 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:14.120 Uh. 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:19.360 He figures, with that pressure, this mountain lion uh moved 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.240 a couple miles away. The next time they went to 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.760 uh to to catch her. They when they from the 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.880 other line from the other lions, and she he figures 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.639 now that he knows what he knows now that it 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.199 was because she was about to give birth, so she 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.000 moved a ways away, didn't want to be by the lions. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.840 So the next time they catch her, she's given that 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.439 he can tell that she has kittens, because she's lactating. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.040 So they follow the back trail on the GPS of 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.480 where they had first bumped her, and sure enough there 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:56.280 is three kittens. Like they're in a pile I put up. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.119 I had a picture of it on my Instagram. They 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.040 were holding the kittens, so they put a he puts 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.639 a camera on the kittens. What was interesting? Sorry, I'm 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.680 trying to read an email while I relate this story, 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:09.240 so I get. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.000 The numbers right. Uh. 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.239 He figures they were about ten days old, and uh, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.120 he said he thought it was interesting that how how 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.320 long sometimes she would leave all of them sometimes? And 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.160 again this is just through watching pictures on a trail camp, 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.520 so you never know if mom's just behind the camera 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.760 or next to it not getting picked up. But at 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.080 some point seven hours she would leave them, oh by 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.240 that and not be there on May fourth at eleven 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.760 eight eleven am it can yeh? 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.919 Can this be like this be commented on as you go? 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:41.400 Yeah? 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.960 The reason I don't surprise me is it would be 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:51.240 that feeding itself is just more involved, right, exactly, like 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.760 a deer could just go grays whatever, twenty minutes right, 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.800 come back, grays, come back. But for that thing, I mean, 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:57.560 it's headed. 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.119 Out right hunting. 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.240 It's not like a mission. Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.280 So it sees that they would need to be able 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.199 to do like some kind of lengthy stash, because it's 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.000 not like, hey, I'll be back in an hour, sure, 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:07.360 you know. 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.720 And I guess that the reason you would think that 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.520 it is a long time is because you would think that, oh, 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.400 how are those kittens going to survive that long without 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.520 being able to get a little milk in a seven 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:19.200 hour period? 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:20.720 Right? 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:25.720 So may fourth, first thing in the morning, she moves 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.120 her first kitten, grabs it by the back of the neck, 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.640 walks off with it, doesn't come back until six pm. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:33.879 To get grab this. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.240 What time did I grab the first one? 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:35.960 Eight am? 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.920 So who knows how far it moves it, but comes 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.600 back at six pm to grab the second one and 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:46.160 moves it same day. One kitten left. 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.879 Right, It's like a bad children's book, but at a 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:57.320 parent at midnight. At midnight that next morning. 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.160 I want to make sure I'm getting on. So it's 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:01.080 the first one at what time? 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:01.800 Six am? 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.000 Okay? Then comes back in the afternoon eight No? 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.000 Eight? Well what did I say? No? Eight am and 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.119 six pm? Okay? 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.680 So it gets one to eight am, brings it wherever. Yeah, 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.840 comes back that evening six pm. Now there's one sitting 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.040 there into the dark. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:21.399 And at midnight a skunk shows up. Oh yeah. 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:25.320 And again it's not like documented by pictures, but the 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.879 skunk was there for quite some time. There was blood 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:33.200 on the skunk. Mom showed up the next day and 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.520 spent five hours there just like looking around and doing 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.240 circles before she left, and then he never saw it again. 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:45.440 The skunk eighth the kitten, whether it ate it or 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:48.280 it just killed it, you know, but I mean think about. 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:49.960 From this skunk's perspective, that's a big win. 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.560 Yeah, take it out now, that's one lass dude later 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.400 taking me out or my you know kid. 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.720 Do you know how big these kittens are at what. 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:04.280 Tiny this stage? Like I mean, you know, little fur balls. 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.359 I mean not not not even the size of a housecatt. 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.000 That's a cold blooded skunk. 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:14.000 I want to understand Mom's like decision making to like 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.920 how does she select a kitten. Is it totally random? 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:17.360 Oh yeah? 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.040 Or is she like yeah, oh. 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:25.120 Yeah, like my big favorite one, the best kitten, right, 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:26.760 the one in the middle is the best kitten. 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:31.760 The first one to leave is super exposed or is 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.719 it less sent If you're the first one, it's fascinating. 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.160 The middle is the favorite. I would think the middle 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.760 it's like, I'm gonna bring the one I like, the 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.240 one I really don't like. I'll figure it out later. 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:44.800 The one I sort of like, I'm gonna bring it 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:48.639 now to pioneer this new spot. If it looks good, 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.520 I'll go get my favorite one, and then if I 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.680 got time later, I'll get my least favorite one. We 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.200 should write a Maybe we could publish an academic article 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:05.119 about this called Favoritism, uh favor and Feline con Colorists. 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.320 Or just writing a children's book, writing. 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.040 Children's book called tough Luck. 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.760 Yeah, you can do little backstories on each of the 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.960 kittens and be like, this is why Mom picked you 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:15.879 as the middle one. 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.000 I have a picture of my daughter on my phone. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:19.560 In the other day, she's saying, the reason I have 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.200 her on my phone is otherwise i'd forget about her 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.119 because she's the middle. Where you're like, honey, you're not wrong, 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:30.920 because she's the middle. 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:33.240 Keep a lot of things on my phone that I 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:37.720 don't want to forget about. Also, that's episode two that 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.560 it's called an elk hunting nudist checks the breeze. 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:43.280 God's a good title, dude. 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.440 It's called an elk hunting nudist checks the breeze. If 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.320 you want to learn all about Bart George's mountaining collaring 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.440 study in Northeast Washington. 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:53.359 It was a good title. 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:54.000 Listen. 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.680 We had a good run at just having titles that 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.639 didn't mean anything. What happened we started naming them stuff 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.879 that means something. 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.200 Search engine optimization because. 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.960 Because now with the shows on YouTube, it doesn't work 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.359 to have you can't have a name that has nothing 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.439 to do with anything. Meaning if you name something a. 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:17.480 Nudist or push. 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:19.960 Them to pot or a nudist checks the breeze, you'll 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.840 wind up in like a different land. 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.080 Would tell you that that would have been the same 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:26.679 case on other platforms. 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.639 I resisted the idea. Here's the thing I resisted and 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:36.640 still resist the idea that people search podcasts. I don't, 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.960 you'll hear people some people do. I don't believe that 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:47.240 people regularly do content searches for podcasts, meaning I don't 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.600 think people go in and search key do keyword searches 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.399 around podcasts. Some do, but I don't think that's how 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.000 I don't think that's how people discover. 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.800 Searching for people maybe like certain folks. 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.320 Sure, and when we and we would we would bow 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.440 to that in some respects with our old naming convention. 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:10.360 But now here's another I'll tell you that that would 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:14.560 surprise me. What's actually the words that we're actually saying 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:22.479 right now actually matters for how how YouTube serves. You 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.560 could name it like a nudist checks the breeze, but 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:30.600 then never talk about nudists and all that, And it'll 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:35.440 be served based on content, but the thumbnail people see 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:41.320 is based on It'll be served based on what's actually 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:46.040 done within the show. The thumbnail people see will be 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.600 what you present them. So if you have, like if 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.199 you're talking about mountain lions, mountain lions, mountain lions, it 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.600 might go to a person that loves mountain lions, what 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.399 that person is going to see is a nudist checks 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:02.840 the breeze, and he'll think, why is this here for 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:04.560 this reason? Am I doing a good job explaining this? 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:05.040 Krin Is it? 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:05.399 Sure? 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:05.560 So? 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:09.760 Like our guests today, Donald Trump and Joe Rogan are 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:17.879 talking about transgender rights in bathrooms, and that could possibly 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.600 help this episode pop up in people searchings. 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:24.400 Nailed it. 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:31.320 That's next level, right there, man. You satisfied with that? 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:37.280 Krin Kriinn satisfied with that? Uh. A couple of quick 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:38.240 things we got touched on. 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.400 The road to twenty twenty four. Go ahead, Steve. 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:46.280 We covered Roamingnomai dot com again. Probably hit that a 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:51.720 couple more times in the future. Vegan Landlords, this is 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.560 a this is a chatticate question. Chester. Do you know 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:56.000 about this? 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.720 Well? I just read it, yes or whatever? 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.800 Uh, oh, we'll cover it. He was listening to the 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:05.080 Pussing the Pot episode, so the Pussing to Pot t 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.160 shirts came out. But they're gone already, but we didn't 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:07.800 order that many. 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:09.600 Are we gonna order more? 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.320 I don't know. They were gone in less than a day. 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.720 I sunk a gaff into an octopus's arm, and he 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.160 got the gaff away from me and snuck off with it. 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:20.760 And I'll point out they can lose their arm, it 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:22.920 doesn't bother them. They just grow a new one. So 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.840 then we started laughing about how that octopus probably doesn't 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.160 go anywhere without that gaff. 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.320 Snuck off with it as an interesting way to put 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:30.920 hold it. 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.000 Out of my hands. We had got in the wrestling 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.480 match and he got away with the gaff. It's a 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.680 big one, but the gaff isn't barbed, so the gaff 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.960 would have just fallen out either way. It's funny to 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.680 think of an octopus now, because you know he likes 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.120 he uses the gaff for everything. 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:47.840 He's gonna come back and get you. 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.520 Out if he wants to get something out of a hole. 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.440 He's like stand back boys, and he just gets that 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.440 gaff out and does what he needs to do with it. 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.080 Anywhere, a little subtle tapping on the bottom of your boat. 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.520 We're waiting for someday that gaff hoot up through the 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:04.080 bottom of my boat. I'd be like, he's back. We 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:06.760 made a shirt of an octopus with a gaff, but 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:11.880 it's gone. But anyways, on that episode, we were talking 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.480 about I can't remember, oh, we were talking about a vegan. 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:16.560 We were talking about vegan landlords that were in the 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:20.600 news for people which I supported the right to do this. 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.200 A landlord saying I'll rent to you, but if I 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:28.640 rent to you, you are not allowed to cook meat. 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.720 I don't like it, but I support that right because 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.360 I generally am like you know, I'm generally supportive of 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.240 that sort of stuff. So, and the thing to maintain 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.080 consistency to see in this world, it'd be like people 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:44.719 that get really worked up about First Amendment rights only 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.840 when their First Amendment rights are imperiled, but they're very 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:54.719 slow to defend First Amendment rights of their adversaries. So 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:59.240 the NC double A, not the NC double A. That's 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:06.480 the basketball people and the N DOUBLEACP. The N DOUBLEACP 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:12.440 will often defend the First Amendment rights of white supremacists 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.200 because there's so staunchly First Amendment that they'll defend the 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:21.040 First Amendment rights of people who'd probably like to kill them. So, 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.720 because I think that people should have more latitude to make, 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.000 you know, like just more latitude to make these sorts 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.120 of decisions around their own home and how you rent 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.880 your home, I was like, eh, okay, I don't like it, 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.760 but I would never tell someone that they should have 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.160 to rent a house to someone doing something like that. 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.560 I don't know, I'm just trying it on, so I'm 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.240 not sure I'm committed there, go ahead. 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.840 I wasn't there because this was recorded in Alaska, but 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.880 if I were there, I would have reminded you that. 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.680 In the Chettiquette episode with Luke Combs, we got a 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.760 question about a landlord who would not rent a home 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.560 to gun owners, and I told them the said. 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:01.479 Lie and do it anyway. 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:05.560 Well, if I heard from someone who if I heard 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.720 from someone who said, my landlord rendered me a house 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:15.080 and said I can't cook meat, but I'm thinking about 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.240 cooking some, I would say I think that you should. 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:21.400 Right. 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.000 Sure, So I am. It is consistent. Okay, listen, I'm 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.120 not like a judge. I'm not like judge Jude. I'm 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:32.640 very aware of you, just like I gots what I'm saying. 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:34.960 But this guy here has got a different situation, but 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.040 it made him think of it where he he's part 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:39.560 of the story. I don't understand. He used to live 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.200 in a rural area, but due to residency rules, had 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:48.400 to move into the city. What would that mean? Oh, 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:54.720 this is exactly what you're talking about. Uh No, English, 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.720 You lived by the horror mel factory. 0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.640 Well I go down there. That's like two hour drive 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.320 north the south. Yeah, okay, you you yeah, when you 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:03.520 drive two hours. 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.479 From your home is the place where they make spam? 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:06.000 Yep. 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.520 And you're saying the executive leadership team at Spam. 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.760 Yeah, in their bylaws, they have to live down in Austin, Minnesota. 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.440 Okay, So this fella might have run into a similar 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.160 thing because he's saying, I used to live out in 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.959 the sticks, but because of residency rules, he had to 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:25.160 move into the city. Yeah, he's in Buffalo, New York. 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:26.880 So he's not working down there with Spam. 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:28.960 Yeah, but what one of the like, while you were 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.080 talking about that, if you talk to the landlord and 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.960 the landlord says, hey, you know, no cooking meat here, 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.720 is it okay? Just to move on to another apartment 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.000 or another house, Like, do you know what I'm saying, 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.360 because like that's what the landworth. Okay, cool, Oh yeah, 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.800 that's yeah, that's I would be in that situation where 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:48.120 they're like, you can't cook me, and here I'm. 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:49.280 Like, okay, cool, I'm gonna move. 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:50.840 Yeah, I'll go find some in the place. 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.280 Yeah, or I'm gonna cook it anyway, call the cops. 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.600 I I gotta throw this out there. 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.200 This is like the best article I've seen in a 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.160 long time, and it really strikes me because I used 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:05.000 to have to travel around the country with a practicing 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:10.200 vegan and that person was obnoxious, and it was adamant 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.680 that I go to these vegan restaurants in different places, 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.480 and I always was just like, it is not worth 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:24.439 my money. But my assumption was that the experience would 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.000 be a lot different than what it was. And I 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.960 was actually like appalled when I finally did sit down 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:35.000 at a vegan restaurant to see all of my food 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:36.600 terms on the menu. 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:38.520 Oh yeah, right, the steal from you. 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.960 Yeah, I was like, well, what, like, I'm down for 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.720 a salad, but you have like it's bacon, yeah, reuben 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:51.160 and fries and so that I got to hand it 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.919 to whoever wrote this article, but it's called no more 0:34:54.400 --> 0:35:02.160 Cordon bleuir. France's long running battle over vegan food names 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:07.080 has escalated as the government published a decree banning meaty 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.480 terms such as steak, grill or spare ribs being used 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.360 to describe plant based products. 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.120 I think that's a little bit of government overreach. 0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:16.680 I love it. 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.680 That's what government overreach is. I have a fully embracing. 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.359 I like it. Yeah, you know that we covered that 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.160 little dust up. I'm going to come back to the 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.360 story about this guy. But we covered that little dust 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.080 up where that dude, this is the weirdest thing is, 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.279 oh my god, it's one story turned into another here. 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:41.520 So he got three stories up in the air. Story 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:42.440 one is this. 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:44.480 Well. 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.839 Story one is this fella here that we're talking about 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.040 who had to move to town because of the rules. Okay, 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:53.359 so hold that in your head. Story two is how 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.840 is this these French people in your situation? There's four stories. 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:02.520 Story three is that we covered how a guy was 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:10.400 suing buffalo wild wings because they're boneless wings aren't wings? 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.600 Yeah, they're technically not wings, but whatever. 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.400 Buffalo wild wings. Retort was, am I using retort in 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:20.120 the right way? Allow me to retort? Yeah? Yeah, Buffalo 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:26.879 wild wings retort was, we don't sell any buffalo. Our 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:31.720 hamburgers are not ham. Our chicken fingers are not chicken's fingers. 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.000 So it should not come to you as a great 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.440 surprise that our boneless wings are not wings. 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.839 In this article, they're just buffalo's wings either. 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:49.120 No, no, I'm into story four. In this article, they 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:53.880 interview some dude who is like a who's made this 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.480 whole issue like his axe to grind. But he's not 0:36:56.640 --> 0:37:00.360 the litigant, he's not the person suing Buffalo wild but 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:05.319 he's a person who believes, and they talk about him 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.600 in the article that he believes they should be called 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:15.160 saucy Nugs, and somehow he weasels his way into the article. 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.480 I'm standing at a book event. I'm doing a book 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.879 signing event, and there's some guy in line that looks 0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.200 like not like everybody else that would come to one 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:26.480 of my book signing events. Meaning most of my stuff 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.080 is like some dude in square toe cowboy boots with 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:31.480 like three kids, because it's. 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.239 A children's recognizable demographic. 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.200 But then here's this guy that I know said I've 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.279 been using a lot of people looking like weird Al 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.640 because I was talking about Gallagher the comedian. Here's a 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:44.360 guy that looks like young weird Al comes up to 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:50.000 me and basically he's there to tell me that they 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.840 should call him Saucy Nugs, but does not know that 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.120 we discussed this on the podcast. Like this guy independently 0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.920 just goes to anywhere he can get an audience. 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.000 Wait, he was the guy that was in the article. 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.600 Yes, that's about this in the pockets. He had no idea. 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:11.040 He's just I'm just he's just just Arilla market. 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:13.960 He's like sounds like there's going to be a crowd. 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:15.960 I'm going to go down there and and and. 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:21.360 Protack, raise hell about Wow. Yeah, really that's amazing. 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.320 Back to story number one. 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.839 But if they call them saucy nugs, then some back 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.080 stoner could come in there and think that it's some 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.359 ganja and sue him for that. 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:37.080 Old man. You guys call weed saucy nugs. 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.400 I'm sure something out there. 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.440 Oh yeah, you want to talk about some saucy nugs. 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.000 You ever see uh Chester's tattoo on his arm? 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.000 Okay? Moving on too many stories. 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:52.600 This comes down to, uh, why the FDA exists, right, 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.800 like patent medicine, okay, And that is why you cannot 0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:02.399 call a vegan whatever it is, sandwich a ruben sandwich. Yeah, 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:07.359 everybody knows corn beef okay, and pastrami does not cut 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:08.640 it as a ruben sandwich either. 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.239 Yeah. Before back of this guy had to move into town. 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.520 I do want to pick up what you're saying, because 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.560 it is frustrating what you're saying, and it would be 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.920 like if you're vegan. Besides, people that have like some 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:24.040 kind of major dietary reason they need to be vegan, 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.520 which I'm sure happens if you meet, you're gonna die 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:30.120 or something. I don't know, but normally I would guess 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.000 like ninety percent whatever the hell of vegans are for 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:36.399 ethical reasons. So they have come to a position where 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.839 they're saying, like I believe it is wrong to consume meat. Well, 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:47.120 say you have a give me another ethical infraction, do 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.440 like I don't want to do like pedophiles. Well that's 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.320 where I okay, I got it. Oh, no, go ahead. 0:39:55.080 --> 0:40:00.080 It is it's like your sexual yet sexual preference is 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.719 is a perfect one. Like I am staunchly this way, 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.040 but I happen to put things in my mouth that 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:10.160 resemble this other thing. But don't confuse that because this 0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:11.000 is the way I am. 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:17.680 Let's say you have a hog fetish cheepers, and you've 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:23.239 recognized that that is just wrong. That is not a thing. 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.440 That is not a thing you can be partaken in. 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:35.840 But then you come home with a hog suit. You 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:36.680 see where this is going. 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:38.760 No, is that better? 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:56.080 So this guy anyway, Hey, guys, this is Yiannis. I 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.480 got a special request for you. You've heard me talk 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:02.680 about it before, mentioning it again and asking again. But 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.080 I'm asking for you guys to all help and pitch 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:10.160 in to save that winter habitat in Vail, Colorado for 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:15.600 the big horn sheep. That was a proposed development for 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.399 employee housing, and there was a big to do there. 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.560 And finally the town of Vales figured out a way 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:26.880 to purchase the land from the company that was proposing 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.680 to develop it. And now they're gonna save it and 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.640 basically and turn it into a conservation. He's meant, and 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:33.920 they're also going to conserve more land in that area, 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.600 so it's actually a win win. It went from only 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.080 being twenty acres to now it's going to be over 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:43.080 one hundred acres of bighorn sheep habitat for the bighorn 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.359 sheep that lived in the Gore Range. I was lucky 0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.239 enough to hunt there two years ago and killed a 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.480 ram in there. I wanted to keep that secret, but 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.480 this is a good reason to bring it out publicly. 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.640 John Hayes Taxi Jeremy did a full amount of that sheep, 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.680 and I'm gonna donate that sheep to the town of 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.719 Vale and they're going to use it as a as 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:06.160 a as a marker, as a memorial to this project 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:11.640 to forever memorialize the people and the conservation organizations. They're 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.080 gonna work hard to make this happen. So I'm super 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:16.879 stoked to be a part of this, and I hope 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:20.719 you can too. And remember, every little bit helps. They're 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:25.080 looking they have to raise about three million dollars. That's right, 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:27.640 you heard it right by October third. There's not a 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.440 lot of time. Obviously, it's going to take some people 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:33.240 with some big old bank accounts to kick down big. 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:35.640 But like I said, every little bit helps. So if 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.360 you just got a dollar or five or ten, I 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.560 would appreciate it if you kick down towards this. If 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.479 you're thinking, man, I'm not a Colorado big horn sheep hunter, 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.560 look at it this way. If someone else draws their 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:53.680 tag there, they might take away that tag that they 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:55.759 were trying to hunt in Nevada. Or if you are 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:59.160 a Colorado sheep hunter, if there's more sheep here, there's 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.200 more tags there. Even though you might not hunt there, 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.560 it might free up opportunities for you to hunt somewhere else. Okay, 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.719 So it is a win win for everybody, even if 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:12.320 you're not a hunter. This preserves wildlife, very cool wildlife 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.640 in a very cool place. So if you want to 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:21.239 help out, go to ww dot Veil Bighorn dot com 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.200 slash ways to help and you'll find a link where 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.279 you can donate. I think it actually takes you to 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.600 the wild Sheet Foundation. They're the ones that are managing 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.480 all these donations. And just make sure that you click 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.680 on Veil Bighorn to make sure that your donation goes 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:42.279 directly towards this project. So again www Dot Veil Bighorn 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:48.080 dot com slash ways to help, and again for me 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:53.440 and for the sheep of the Gore range, help them out. 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.680 I appreciate it. Thank you, I really am. 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:01.760 This guy thought the door was open for your uh yeah, 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:04.640 and you gotta jump in on the vegan side of things. 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.719 But oh, anything to add I'm cutting a lot of 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.440 stuff up. But you got to get back to this guy. 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.799 Uh you know, yeah, like we even with what you know, 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.440 we we we. I actually wrote a little article about it. 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.440 I was I was asked once in a panel. You know, 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.520 you know, monk sausage is something that we make at 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.120 a restaurant, and it's it's an old recipe. My father 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:31.200 gave me, right, he passed it down and and you know, 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.080 we it became really just kind of popular around Minneapolis 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.000 and the way we make it, you know, And there 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.800 was a panelas who you know who or somebody asked. 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.520 Me, can you give us a brief descriptor a monk sausage? Yeah? 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:46.480 Yeah, so it is uh our recipe we use. And 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.319 the thing that Dad showed me was seventy percent shoulder, uh, 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:57.000 thirty belly. And then the aromatics inside is lemongrass, ginger, garlic, shallots, fish, sauce, tie, chilies. 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.480 And then and then it's very important because the grind 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:04.320 is coarse. It's not a lot of people they do sausage. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.520 They're more like Eastern European style, where it's you know, 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.480 you kind of get a multified Ours is more course 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.120 because because of the fat content so high that you 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.000 actually want that fat to render. And while you're grilling it, 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:17.360 you're not grilling at hot, you're kind of grilling at higher, 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.239 so it renders. Now yeah, you know, you know, you 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.840 know what I'm talking about renders. And and as it does. 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.040 That, you say you're not grilling it hot, you're grilling 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:24.760 it lower. 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.680 Yep. Sorry, So what I meant high was like higher 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.520 on the grill. Yeah, yeah, you know, And and and 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.680 you kind of let it go. And and you know, 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:34.080 I teach my a lot of our chefs and cooks 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.680 who cook with us, they aren't a lot of them 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:40.560 aren't munk. So I have the re like like re 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.840 engineer their mind to be like, no, we're not cooking this, 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:44.840 like if it was an Eastern European style, you know, 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.560 sausage is the Southeast Asian sausage is a little different. Anyways, 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.359 there was a lady asked and said, hey, you know, 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.200 would you ever can you know, She's like, I'm vegan, 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.600 can you make this sausage vegan? And I and I 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.279 I politely said to her no, because. 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.399 Because you realize this is one hundred percent made out 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.439 of like we got seventy. 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:10.719 This yeah, so yeah, absolutely, But I wasn't trying to 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:12.759 be meaner. But then I also said to her too, 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:16.040 that there's a legacy that comes along with this. See, 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:17.640 my father when he came to this country, he didn't 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.640 have anything, you know, he didn't have land, he didn't 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:21.080 have anything his name. But what he did was he 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.160 knew how to do this, and then he passed it 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:24.920 to me, you know, And it was one of those 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:26.600 things that as kids we learned how to do it 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.640 with him. And and for me, it's more than just 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.000 some recipe where I could just change it to people's preference. 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.480 It's like, no, we're we're gonna stick to this, you know. 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.360 And and so for me, it's it runs deeper in that. 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:41.120 And it to me, like there's sometimes food and I'm 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:42.960 a food guy, it runs deeper than that, you know, 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.200 just say oh, hey, like let's make this vegan ruben 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.200 whatever you know, and it's like yeah, but I we 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.600 always say with her on our restaurant is if if 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:55.520 when you eat something, be curious about it, like why 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.319 is it the way it is? And so that's where 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.799 I come from, especially with this whole like changing it 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:03.040 this way, changing it this way, And so that was 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.200 like my big thing. And then a lot of the 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:07.719 vegans got mad at me. And then you know, when 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.920 this article came out and they were like, oh my gosh, 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.239 like you you hate vegans, and I'm like, I never 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.400 said I hate vegans. I have you know, It's like 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.920 I never said that. I said that we choose to 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.399 make this this way and keep it this way when 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.040 we have people who aren't pork eaters, and they're like, well, 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.120 could you do it with chicken, I'm like, doesn't taste 0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:26.120 the same, you know it. And to me why it's 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:28.239 so important to me was that this is part of 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.480 Dad's legacy. See, my father didn't have this, like he's 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.719 not like my parents don't have this thing with was like, 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:35.319 this is this land and we're gonna give this to 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:37.200 you when we pass away. No he didn't, but he 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:40.799 had these recipes. It's his legacy. Yeah, and it's like 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.359 we get to carry it and we get to pass 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:45.200 it down and so you know, yeah, we could probably 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.239 talk about this forever, but just this idea of like 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:48.920 what it means to me, mung is to carry down 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.560 these legacy, to carry down this you know, these things 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.799 that it's not written in a document anywhere, you know, 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.040 but we carried down from our parents and they took 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.400 it from their parents. And so for me, when it 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.960 became a vegan issue, I was just like, hey, this 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.080 is this is where I'm at. And then everyone just 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:07.279 you know, everyone on the. 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.719 Such a god ball thing, right, It's it's like really 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:13.040 an inappropriate question. It's like can you take that very 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:17.400 unique and special thing to you and then completely change 0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:19.280 it for my personal. 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.759 Taste yeah, and that's I mean again. 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.399 Can you leave, man, I don't have any ill will 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.560 toward vegan I don't. Yeah, I like to laugh about it. 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.120 Yeah. But then like even with the you know, the 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.719 article you're talking about, I'm like, I'm I'm firmly I 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:36.719 believe the way that you believe where it's like, you know, 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:38.759 like everyone like, if we're going to stand for like 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:40.640 the first time, I'm right, you know, if if we're 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:43.560 going to stand for that other side, we gotta know 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:45.520 we got to keep it consistent. We got to keep 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.200 it consistent, you know. And that's how I believe that 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.000 was Like, bro, go find another place to live. You know. 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.240 Well, let me tell you this dude's situation. He moves 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:57.520 to his neighborhood and they find out that he uh hunts, 0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:59.160 and they start leaving them letters. 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:00.920 Oh boy, even to. 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:02.920 This point, this is I'm taking his word for it here. 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:04.640 I don't know. This is what he said. He said. 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:07.319 He gets a letter that says this community is vegetarian 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:13.520 and doesn't greet with your hunting presence or the presence 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.360 of murdered meat in the neighborhood. 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.920 I'd love to know the size of the neighborhood. Yeah. 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.480 Uh, he's wondering what would you do to keep the neighborhood, 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.160 to keep things in the neighborhood's civil? 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.520 Man, I just can confuse if he's a hunter and 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.960 stuff and why he's living there? Was that, Like, how 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:35.680 would you know? 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.880 I mean, if it's a vegetarian neighborhood. I mean you 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:42.000 think they'd have a sign. 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.840 Was it in the contract? You sign a renter's agreement. 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:48.360 If he's not in the contract. 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.719 Meat, I agree with you. Yeah, if the landlord made 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:50.600 it very clearly. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.200 No, No, this dude, I don't think this is that different, 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.440 pointing out that that just happens to me where he lives. 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.520 Oh it was so he got a letter from a 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:01.719 neighbor saying that aut out the neighborhood. This is not 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.200 a formal thing. Oh yeah, So I think he's just 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.160 saying so outside of any rule break, and he's wondering, 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:08.839 how do you maintain stability. 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:12.560 I would invite them all over for a barbecue. 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:14.120 That's not gonna work. 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:16.000 Meat diplomacy. 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.560 You could have him over for a veggie barbecue and 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.759 then after say hey, let's let's chat because there's a 0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:23.280 little problem. 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.360 I would just chat if you want to try it. 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.480 I have some of this freshly killed venison over here 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:31.279 that's pretty tasty. That ate nothing but plants. 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:33.680 I eat a lot of grilled zucchini this time of 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:36.480 year on the barbeque. That's good stuff. You know. 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:39.040 Just let me tell you what I think. Then I 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:40.320 want you to say what you think. They'll be the 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.400 final word. I think that he should go about his business, 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.279 but just don't don't rub their noses in it, like 0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:46.759 you know, I. 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:48.000 Mean, don't you. 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.200 Hang you here in your backyard just as well as 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.600 you can hang in your front yard. Hang in the backyard. 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:56.239 Yeah, I'm I would. 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:57.640 I don't know I would. 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:01.200 If he's getting all this these letters and stuff, there's 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.759 there's not much he can do about it other than 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.239 maybe talk to I would probably talk to the landlord 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.239 and try and have a nice civil conversation, even though 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:14.400 they might not understand that they make the choices that 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:15.640 they do for reasons. 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:18.719 I had anything to do with the landlord. There's nothing 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:20.239 about renting. This is just his. 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:24.600 Neighbors hostile to These people are not going to be 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.520 appeased until he quits hunting. 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.640 Okay, well then, yeah, just keep to yourself or the 0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.920 people that are sending you the letters, because you know 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.000 how I don't know how many people are sending him 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.640 letters and stuff. Maybe just literally try and have a 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.440 civil conversation with them and be like you guys, make 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:47.480 the choices that you make for reasons that you stand by, 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:51.680 and you know, please let me make the choices that 0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.719 I stand by, and you know I won't shove it 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:57.080 in your face. I won't be roasting a pig in 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.120 my front yard. I'll cook it. 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:02.560 I'd put a chunk of bloody hide maybe in their mailbox. 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:09.240 That is a phenomenal movie. 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:11.279 Try and keep it to yourself. 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:14.759 The kill them with kindness. I'm a big like you 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.719 can just grind people down with kindness and you kind 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:19.799 of get satisfaction out of it because you know, it's 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:24.560 just like irksome. But they can't say anything, they can't respond. 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.120 They'll even get send more letters. 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.520 But I had the impression that when I was living 0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:33.439 in and catch them, the neighbors across the street from 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:37.759 me did not like me for whatever reason, no idea, 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:43.879 And I was always cordial and uh, you know, would 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:47.200 wave when they pull in or whatever. But kind of 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.600 a wide street it's not like it was forced interaction 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:49.960 at all. 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:51.080 Uh. 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.040 And one day I look out the window and I 0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:58.800 was always out and about working on the place, running 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:00.759 a chop saw in the front yard and stuff like that, 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:04.960 but not like would be like normal business hours, not 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.800 crazy early or crazy late. One day I look across 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:14.239 the street and here's mom, dad, the two kids, a 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:19.480 dog like little nuclear family, and they have a brand 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:23.239 new refrigerator in the box in the back of this 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:28.520 guy's pickup and they're trying to negotiate this thing out 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:32.719 and it's not going well. And so I drop what 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.160 I what I'm doing, run across the street. I'm like, hey, 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:35.719 can I help you? 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:39.759 And they're like, eah no. And I was. 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:43.120 Like, ah, you really look like can I just help 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:45.960 and kind of force the issue a little bit in 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:52.120 you know, fifteen seconds had the refrigerator out safely. Now 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.719 it's on the ground, they have a dolly. I'm like, 0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.840 I can help you get inside, and they're like nope, 0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:02.040 and literally never spoke to me from that day forward. 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.160 Really, yeah, just bizarre. Some people are just that way. 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:06.320 Couldn't kill them with kindness. 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.759 Yeah, The moral of the story is, some people are 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:13.640 just that way. Right, It's like doesn't matter what you do. 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.680 So I wouldn't go out of my way to change 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:20.240 my life. But you know they're miserable inside their house 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.040 writing letters and you gotta understand that too. 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:25.640 Yeah, And I've I've learned too, man, like hurt people 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.960 hurt people. You know, like people that are hurt, they 0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:32.200 hurt people because it's like you have all this bs 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.400 inside of you and you got to project it somewhere. 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:38.400 And then being hurt sometimes, like they hurt people. And 0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.520 that's where I mean, I've I've learned that in my 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.640 lifetime is hurt people hurt people. And sometimes that's like 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.279 the final answer, and I'm like, yeah, that's it, you know, 0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:48.799 that's there's nothing else, nothing you're gonna do. Yeah, nothing 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:50.319 you can do about it until you know, they get 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.400 help or until they you know, recognize that hurt or 0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.160 until they you know, confront that hurt. You know. 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:58.920 Uh, can y'all can you tell me how your name 0:54:59.040 --> 0:54:59.759 changed over time? 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:01.960 Yeah? 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:06.400 So the name given to me at birth was Yeah, 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.040 so you actually can have two years in the studio. 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:14.040 The story is I was very sick and then the 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.279 moon culture. You know, sometimes they you know, there's there's 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:21.759 a lot to do with the namesake. And so in 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:26.080 the Moon culture, sometimes when you just don't get better, 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:30.839 they change your name oh to you and and they'll 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:32.160 they'll say, do you know. 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:34.800 What was the I mean, did you have a specific 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:36.440 ailment or you just weren't thriving? 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.800 Now they just said, I was just sick all the time. 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.040 And so you know, one one of the first I 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.160 guess you could sell. You could say it in remedy. 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:48.839 They'll maybe consult with the shaman. And then a lot 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:50.680 of times they'll just say, hey, maybe you just need 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:53.719 to change his name. And actually, in this case, my 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.840 parents gave me to my aunt uncle and my uncle 0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:58.879 was the deacon of the Catholic. 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:05.400 Church, and so they gave me to go live with 0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:06.240 my aunt uncle. 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:08.560 And because you weren't doing well, because. 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:12.600 I wasn't doing well, and so I want to say, 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:16.000 this is when I was just a few months old 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:23.200 even and so he since he was a Catholic, a 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:28.480 deacon Catholic church, he uh the translated there's a translated 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:33.600 Bible in mung So and in the in there John 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:38.960 the Baptist. Uh the name translated in mung is jah. 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:41.319 So I shared this when I was here the first time, 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.799 my name is my name is Jah and Mun and 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:49.400 so he named me after John, renamed me John the Baptist. Uh, 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:53.200 my name after John Baptist in the mung translated version 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:56.000 of the Bible. And I got better and then he 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:57.719 gave me they gave me. 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.759 Back to my parents, so and so yeah, so in 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:04.840 our culture it's animism, right, So it's the belief of, 0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:07.640 you know, the the ancestors of the are the good 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:11.560 spirits and their evil spirits. So when yeah, I was young, 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:13.960 I I you know, this is from what I've learned. 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:15.880 I bet you it was probably like, Okay, we're going 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:17.800 to change his name because we're going to attract to 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.880 trick the evil spirits who's making him sick to think 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:23.840 that it's a different person. So that's the changing of 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:26.120 the name. And so I have friends who have had 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:29.200 name changes and stuff like that. And then even even 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:31.600 that whole idea of like the like what the name 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:34.560 carries along with it in the meaning. And so my 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:36.640 name yeah, which you know, yeah, I used to be yea. 0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:41.680 It literally translates to iron skillet or fry. Yeah. Yeah, 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:44.720 So as you go into it, and I dude, I 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:45.320 hated it. 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.240 Growing up, man, are you kidding me? 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:53.160 It is strong. I think you might think it's cool, 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.560 but not when you were seven years old and you're 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:57.480 with all your cousins then like hey, where's the yea 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.280 And then they'll be like no him, like no, not him, 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:02.080 like you know, you made got made fun of. 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:03.360 It's not a common name. 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:07.320 Oh no, not not really. It's how many years do 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:11.040 you guys know? Not a few one here. But but 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.919 here's the deal. My youngest brother's name is which means 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:17.760 blessing of God literal translationist blessing of God. So we 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:23.800 have no question. We can absolutely so we have. So 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:26.720 we have like you know, like a like a pan, 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.280 an iron skiller, and then we have blessing of God. 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:32.240 You know it's like, dude, come on, we know how okay, 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:36.120 how how directly does that mean iron skillet? 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:41.160 It's literal little like yah means the iron skiller or 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:44.560 the walk or the you know, the pan, the frying pan. Yeah. Yeah, 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:45.680 I hated it growing up. 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:47.960 Well, okay, can I tell you them? 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:49.440 When I got my citizens, I. 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:51.600 Got one more question about about the name, just to 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:55.520 make sure I was talking about being out on book tour. 0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:56.960 When I was on a book tour, I met a 0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:59.800 kid and his name was Talon, which that was a 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:06.040 great name. His name's town. So clearly it's a you know, 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:09.640 the foot of a predatory bird. But it's a name. 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.760 So when I hear Talent, because it's not a common name, 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:19.560 I make the thing that like, oh, that name means 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:25.960 a raptor's claw. If I meet an Autumn, I'm like, 0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:30.880 autumn is a name. But if she were to go 0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.280 to another country and they speak a different language and 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:37.560 people are like, what does your name mean? And she 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:40.000 would say, well, my name, my name's autumn. It means 0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:44.800 the season between summer and winter. That might seem noteworthy 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:48.600 to someone, But then this autumn would be obligated to say. 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:52.320 But it's so common, no one thinks of it that 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:56.040 way because it's so integrated into naming. So if your 0:59:56.120 --> 1:00:00.600 name's iron skillet, it's enough that people like, hold on 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:04.120 your name's iron skillet, or is it so integrated that 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:05.160 it's not noteworthy? 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:08.360 So so the little translation is iron skillet, you know, 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:11.320 or walk or whatever, you know, an iron skillet, iron pan. 1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:15.480 But my mom said, the metaphorical name represents like like 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:19.880 an an iron skiller pan is uh, it's uh, it's 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:22.320 a vessel you use to cook with. And she said 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:25.240 that what she said to me was that it means 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:29.200 that like you will be a servant of men, like 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:30.840 in a good way, like not in a you know 1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:33.160 what I mean, like like to serve or to help, 1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:33.920 you know. 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:34.640 Really. 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:36.840 But yeah, but then I'm like, dude, he got blessing 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:39.479 of God. You know, it literally means blessing of God, 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:43.840 you know. But nah, man, it's it's one of those things. Yeah, 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:46.840 I mean he's I love my little his name again, 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:48.760 hon or, Yeah, go home? 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:51.360 What what what does American bodies call him? 1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:55.880 So it's spelled kob mob that's the monk spelling. So 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.680 growing up they just called him coub kob. So he's 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:00.160 called Kube or kooby. Yeah. 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:02.800 So and to pronounce his name again for me. 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.600 And it's or sometimes we just say moan. 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:09.120 So how how would how would how does how would 1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:11.240 a native speaker say your name? Very similar to what 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:11.680 we're saying? 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:13.960 Yeah, okay, you would? I get my name butchered all 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:16.520 the time. So when I got my citizenship, they asked 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:18.760 the last question to ask you is would you like 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:20.760 to have a new name because you can take on 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:25.960 like an American name, uh the immigration officer. Yeah, seriously, 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:29.040 Oh yeah, you can get it, dude. I had in college. 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:31.400 I had a list of like what names and all 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.200 my buddies can pick, you know, And it was like I 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:36.080 literally when he when she said this, and I was 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.320 sitting in the office with her, I almost want to 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:43.240 be like Optimist Prime, please call me. That would be myself, 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.479 that would be my government name, Optimist Prime. 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:50.480 Thang, can you imagine getting like credit card statements from 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:54.560 Optimist Prime, you know, like, dude that or Chad, yeah, 1:01:56.560 --> 1:02:02.640 location he pays, Like, hey mx Oultimate is prime here? 1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:05.680 Yeah, do you know what I could do to this place? 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:07.720 Oh dude, I know it was that or it was 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:10.080 like chatter Trevor. I joked. I always joked about that, 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.720 you know, just get a good white name, a good strong. 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:15.120 Did you know did you know people? Well, first off, 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:15.800 how old were you? 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:18.280 Oh, when I got a citizenship was like two years ago, 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:21.400 three years ago? Yeah, it was pretty recent. Yeah, yeah, 1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:22.240 I just kind of waited. 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:25.400 You know, you only became a US citizen two or 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:25.920 three years ago? 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:28.520 Yeah, yeah, what year did you move to the US? 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:30.280 Eighty eight? So it was. 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:31.919 It was a lot what ages you moved to the US. 1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:34.760 I was four and a half five, so started kindergarten 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:35.120 right away. 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.240 So give me the base chronology where and when you 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.760 were born. Yeah, it's the flow because I know you 1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:41.040 mentioned the refugee camp. 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:44.200 Yeah, so my parents met in bonvina I, which is 1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:47.080 a very you know, famous, big refuge It's the largest 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:52.000 refugee camp northern Thailand. It's like ten kilometers off the 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:53.760 borders of a Louse in Thailand. That's where a lot 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:56.080 among people came to after the war. 1:02:57.320 --> 1:03:00.880 That's where my dad spent peace corps there for four 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:02.600 years teaching small engines. 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:03.120 One stuff. 1:03:03.160 --> 1:03:04.720 What year, I mean, what are the years? Do you know? 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:05.760 A while ago? 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:07.320 Like what year was he there? 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:10.600 Like, you know, I'm not sure, but it was it 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:13.560 was wild, like probably like. 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:17.720 Howl shooting attacks Chester maybe they. 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.440 Yeah, And actually I think Yea's family and my family 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:22.760 overlapped in the in the camp. 1:03:22.840 --> 1:03:26.080 When did you guys leave? We left in eighty okay, yeah, 1:03:26.120 --> 1:03:27.960 we left in eighty eight. Yeah, my dad had a 1:03:28.000 --> 1:03:30.000 chance to leave early, but then he stayed because my 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:32.600 dad fought in the war, and you know, and it's 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:35.360 man just to hear their stories of what they did 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:38.600 running missions for the CIA in US government, you know, 1:03:38.720 --> 1:03:39.440 Northern last there. 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:41.920 Y'all sent me. Y'all sent me a great book about 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:42.880 all those campaigns. 1:03:42.880 --> 1:03:45.240 What was that book called, y'all Tragic Tragic Mountains, A 1:03:45.240 --> 1:03:45.480 good one. 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:48.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he sent me the details all those campaigns. 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:50.680 And he goes back and for the history too, like 1:03:51.200 --> 1:03:53.280 you know, you know, fighting with the French back in 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.400 the day and just like you know, back. But yeah, 1:03:55.400 --> 1:03:57.600 it was a good book. Eighty eight we left. We 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:00.919 landed in Saint Paul, Minnesota, so yeah, and came there 1:04:00.960 --> 1:04:01.880 and then we moved out. 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.680 To like your own back up on your folks met 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:05.720 as refugees. 1:04:05.920 --> 1:04:08.480 Yeah. So my dad fought in the war. He escaped, 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:12.840 my mom. They escaped. They had a horrible time. They 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:16.000 got caught, were put in prison camps by the communists. 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:18.720 Finally escaped that and then in seventy seven they met 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:22.200 in the camp and then in seventy eight they got 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:24.760 married and then they were there until eighty eight, So 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:25.640 ten years they. 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:27.160 Were there, ten years in the camp. 1:04:27.280 --> 1:04:30.520 Yeah, because they were because the moment, people were stuck, 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:33.320 because the Americans didn't want them, because They're like, I 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:36.120 don't know, it's the Thai government was like, dude, we 1:04:36.160 --> 1:04:38.800 don't like we're borders with Laos and Laos doesn't like 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:40.920 you guys, so we don't want to you know. So 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:45.240 literally it was this really awkward like even among people 1:04:45.240 --> 1:04:46.880 that were born in the camp at that time, where 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:50.560 they weren't they're not. I'm not considered a citizen of Thailand, 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:53.000 you know, because but I was born in Thailand, so 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:53.480 I am. 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:58.600 But your family came from your parents were loud born, yep, 1:04:58.640 --> 1:05:01.600 but they don't hold I mean, there's no citizenship for them. 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:05.760 For do you have a second citizenship somewhere? No? No, no. 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:07.560 I was just kind of you're. 1:05:07.400 --> 1:05:11.320 Like a citizenless person, a citizenshipless person. Yeah. 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:13.280 But you know, but one of the crazy things is 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:14.920 like when I got my citizenship, a buddy of mine 1:05:14.920 --> 1:05:16.920 who you know, his friend, came to me. It is 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:18.680 a couple of years ago, and he said, hey, why 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:20.600 would you want to be a citizen of America? Like 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:22.200 right now, like America, like things weren't you know, I 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:24.320 mean this is after, you know, like things aren't going 1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:25.960 too hot for America. Why would you want to be 1:05:25.960 --> 1:05:28.160 a citizen in America, and I'm like, bro, you were 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:30.240 born here. You know, you became a citizen when you 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:34.400 were born here, like my grandparents and my parents fought 1:05:34.440 --> 1:05:36.600 a war to get me here. It's a little I 1:05:36.640 --> 1:05:38.080 feel like it was a little different for me, you know, 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:40.800 like I always talk about I was talking about this 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:43.280 scene from Saving Private Ryan. You know at the end 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:46.040 when uh, you know Tom Hanks character Captain Miller, you know, 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:48.640 he's dying and he looks at uh. 1:05:48.440 --> 1:05:50.960 Tom dies in the end of Saving Private Yeah. 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:52.840 Spoiler, Like, come on, you know what I'm talking about, right, Yeah, 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:54.720 it's like slow bleedout. 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:58.000 I know that movie really devolved. Like it starts out 1:05:58.000 --> 1:05:59.920 like all this grand Dday and then there's that they 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:02.160 have that you know, it kind of centers in on 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:03.280 that really bad german. 1:06:03.560 --> 1:06:06.440 It's like a clock winding down. Yeah. And then at 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:08.360 the end, in the end, yeah, at the end, well 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.600 remember because they all died finding Private Ryan, right, and 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:15.520 and he whispers Captain Miller to prior. Ryan whispers and says, 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:18.120 earn this earned this. And then you know, and then 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.000 it goes into like the present and he's you know, 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:23.560 he's this old guy now that he's standing over Captain 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:25.760 Miller's grave and he looks at his wife and he's 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:27.680 an old grandpa and goes, did I live a good life? 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:31.000 You know? And I I tell people. 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:34.480 So Tom Hanks meaning earned the sacrifice that was made. 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:37.040 Absolutely and and that to me, that's a it's a 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:40.360 good haunting I have that. When I got my citizenship, 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:43.400 I was I thought about my grandpa. I never met 1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:46.000 my dad's dad who died in this war, and the 1:06:46.040 --> 1:06:48.640 sacrifices they made, and all my some of my uncles 1:06:48.680 --> 1:06:51.400 who have passed away in the war to get us 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:55.360 here right. So I've learned that freedom isn't free. Like 1:06:55.440 --> 1:06:57.240 you might not have paid for it, but somebody did. 1:06:57.960 --> 1:07:01.520 And that's and and and even understanding like like themong 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:04.240 like are like some of our dads and our grandpas 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:06.800 who fought for America before they even were given the 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:09.080 ability to step foot in America. So they fought for 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:13.040 a country that later on denied them. And I, to me, 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:16.120 that's true patriotm That's where I think, like man like, 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:19.240 that's what really wrapped in my head as I got older, 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:23.200 I'm like, I want to be a citizen because there 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:26.440 comes a point for me where I'm like what am 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:28.680 I doing with the sacrifice that was done for me? 1:07:29.360 --> 1:07:31.440 And that's why it was really important for me to 1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:33.520 go through that process to become a citizen and to 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:36.040 be able to talk about it and to honor them, 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:39.400 to honor their legacy, to honor who they are through 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:41.439 and it's as simple as through the food we make 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:43.720 and we get to talk about that. It's so cool. 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:45.400 We get to travel the country. I get to do 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:49.520 shows and talk about the legacies of you know, my father, 1:07:49.680 --> 1:07:53.040 my grandfather by the sacrifices they made for this country. 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:56.160 And I get to talk about that by cooking mung food. 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:57.720 And so that's why one of the things I get 1:07:57.760 --> 1:07:58.440 really excited about. 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:01.959 You know, I want to get back into a little 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:05.200 bit of stuff from early in your life. But I know, 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:10.600 I think that growing up in I grew up in Michigan, 1:08:10.640 --> 1:08:13.480 spent a lot of my life in Montana, a handful 1:08:13.520 --> 1:08:18.679 of other states as well. I know about among people 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:23.639 through the lens of hunting. Yeah, it's like I feel 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:27.360 like if I didn't if I didn't know all there's 1:08:27.400 --> 1:08:31.280 these uh, if I didn't know that there was these 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:37.600 avid hunters in the US that came from laos as refugees, 1:08:37.800 --> 1:08:40.880 like I wouldn't know about Mung culture. I know it 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:45.760 through the hunting lens. If you're a Mung chef and 1:08:45.800 --> 1:08:49.160 you're bringing a cuisine around, I have to imagine that 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:52.439 at times you need to go. Before we get to 1:08:52.479 --> 1:08:56.759 the food, let me explain that we exist. Meaning everyone 1:08:56.840 --> 1:08:59.160 holds in their head like all Americans hold in their 1:08:59.160 --> 1:09:01.400 head like, oh Max food. Yeah, it's this country to 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:03.840 the south of US. They speak Spanish. I got the 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:07.080 basic gist. But to say to most people Mung food, well, 1:09:07.200 --> 1:09:09.679 I mean most I would say, the majority of people 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:11.080 aren't gonna know what the hell you're talking about. 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:14.400 Yeah, true or not true? Completely true. So you know, 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:18.240 if you know, I get some craft from I call 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:20.439 them hardliner among people, They're like, you aren't making real 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:23.000 Munk food. It's blah blah blah blah. You're bastarizing your food. 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:24.439 You make money, they do that. 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:29.320 Oh dude, yeah, that's not that you're not suffering that. 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:32.240 Well yeah, yeah, yeah, every every you know, every culture 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:34.320 has that right your own people kind of like you know. 1:09:34.560 --> 1:09:37.040 So one of the things I say within our restaurant, 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:39.360 we have this mantra we always say, we say every 1:09:39.400 --> 1:09:41.519 dish has a narrative. If you follow that dish long 1:09:41.600 --> 1:09:43.639 enough and close enough, you get to the people behind 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:45.720 the food. And once you're there, it's actually not about food. 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:48.880 It's about people. That food is a catalyst into cultivating 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:51.760 great relationships. So that's why I ask people. Every time 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:53.280 you eat a food and you go, hey, I want 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:55.040 to change it or it should be changed this way, 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:57.760 you know how we were talking about, I always go, hey, 1:09:58.000 --> 1:10:00.160 ask yourself why it was made like that? Because if 1:10:00.200 --> 1:10:03.120 you follow the story, you follow those crumbs, I bet 1:10:03.200 --> 1:10:05.240 you, you get to the people and once you get there, 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:07.639 you get to know their story, and then it opens 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:09.720 your eyes of saying, this is why the food is 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:13.479 done this way, you know. And So I grew up 1:10:13.560 --> 1:10:15.960 not wanting to cook munk food. I didn't want to 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:17.759 be a cook at all. Dude, I went to school 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:19.920 for all this stuff. Like I graduated college with a 1:10:19.960 --> 1:10:22.479 degree in interpersonal communication and minor in PR and marketing. 1:10:22.920 --> 1:10:25.879 Like I wanted to run as far as I could. 1:10:25.680 --> 1:10:27.440 From what does interpersonal communication? 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:30.080 So you work with a lot of it's kind of 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:32.680 one on one from when you majoring that you can 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:34.719 go to grad school, you can do you can teach 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:39.280 it and then you can work like doing counseling, you know, counseling, 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:41.120 you know, therapy, you can do all that, you know 1:10:41.280 --> 1:10:41.640 after that. 1:10:42.360 --> 1:10:44.040 But you were raised eating mung food. 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:47.000 Oh yeah, dude, Like yeah, like that that was it. 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:48.960 That's what mom knew how to cook, and that's what 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:52.320 we ate and it was incredible. But yeah, but at 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:54.160 the end of the thay too. I'm a Wisconsin boy, right, 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:57.920 So Culver's you know, double cheeseburger, but burger from Culvers, 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:00.040 come on, man, like, you know, like cheese curs. I 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:02.040 am mad at dan, you know, you know. 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:05.479 So, yeah makes what's that saying? Makes butterburger better? 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:07.519 Like yeah, better brand of beef. 1:11:07.600 --> 1:11:09.519 Better brand of beef, makes a butter burger better. 1:11:09.600 --> 1:11:12.320 Yeah. So like growing up, it was like, yeah, do 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:14.080 you like munk food or do you like American food? 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:16.200 Or the mong word for American is mika. Like do 1:11:16.240 --> 1:11:18.360 you like meeka food or like American food? I'm like yes, 1:11:18.600 --> 1:11:21.760 like I could like both. Right, What's I means mung 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:24.040 It's it's the it's the long way of saying American. 1:11:24.240 --> 1:11:26.160 Okay, So I thought it was like an abbreviate. 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:27.760 It's like a shortened version. 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.439 Yeah, yeah, so so so our parents couldn't say American, 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:33.479 you know, but in their accident of alliteration, it came 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:36.599 out mika. So so when so when you're around among 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:41.280 people and you hear they're probably talking about you, guys, honest? 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:42.400 So when when? 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:42.640 Uh? 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:47.360 Okay? I was want to understand the relationship to mung 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:50.479 food and American food for a prior generation. So your 1:11:50.560 --> 1:11:58.320 parents had long history and their home country. Were they 1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:01.880 when you were kid and you guys went out If 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:05.000 kids are like, hey, I go to McDonald's, did they 1:12:05.120 --> 1:12:07.880 embrace that or were they reluctant to get into that 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:10.240 because it would mean that it would take you down 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:13.840 this path of moving away from mung food, moving away 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.720 from mung culture or were they like down with America 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:20.040 not down like yeah yeah yeah yeah that comes out wrong. 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:21.040 You know. 1:12:21.160 --> 1:12:24.240 Did they embrace sort of like fast food culture or 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.920 did they resist it because it would be a forfeiture 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:28.519 of culture? Yeah? 1:12:28.600 --> 1:12:32.800 I mean I think my parents it was survival. It 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:36.559 wasn't like hey, like so right, now I get this 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:40.080 great opportunity to talk about the in depth understanding of 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:43.200 mung food and whatever it represents. My parents grown up 1:12:43.280 --> 1:12:45.360 it was like, how do we work our job that 1:12:45.520 --> 1:12:47.160 we're getting paid eight bucks an hour? And how do 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:49.439 we provide for our family? So it wasn't like they 1:12:49.479 --> 1:12:51.639 had this moment of like, oh, like, let me think 1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:53.400 about how our food can influence the way that our 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:55.840 kids think about our culture. No, it was like what 1:12:55.880 --> 1:12:59.280 can we scrounge around to survive? So sometimes if it's 1:12:59.280 --> 1:13:01.880 a buck nine nine happy meal at McDonald's back in 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:04.479 the day when it was bucket nine, and I remember that, boys, uh, 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:06.160 you know, like then that was it. 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:06.479 You know. 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:08.920 Some days, you know, you know, some days it's like 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:11.720 if some noodle dish, some blinklot dish or whatever, you know, 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:13.479 like and then they had to make it work with 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:15.320 the and with the garden and they just pull stuff 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:17.360 from the vegetables from the garden. Then that was it, 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:21.680 you know. But what what I get to do is 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:23.559 I get to look back on those moments because I 1:13:23.600 --> 1:13:26.880 have the privilege now to look back and think about that. 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:29.840 I have the privilege to dissect and break down the 1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:32.400 thoughts of like how this what this food represents for 1:13:32.439 --> 1:13:36.160 our people because they sacrifice and they worked so hard 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:40.519 for for me, you know, and so yeah, I don't 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:42.240 think that, you know, because I think that we do 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:44.240 a lot of shows and stuff like that, and I 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:46.680 think that they are editors and you know, producers who 1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:49.160 want to give me this like this like beautiful like 1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:51.840 and you know Netflix Chef's table kind of like you 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:54.080 stood there with your mom and you guys made sticky 1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:57.000 rice together. I'm like, dude, it wasn't like that, you know, 1:13:57.080 --> 1:13:58.439 like there's not that you know what I'm saying, where 1:13:58.439 --> 1:14:01.120 it's like all chef has is like beautiful story of 1:14:01.120 --> 1:14:03.400 like sitting with grandma. She's teaching you how to make whatever. 1:14:03.479 --> 1:14:06.679 It's like no, man like they were hustling all the time, 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:09.040 Like you know, we ate instant ramen, you know, we 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:11.439 ate you know, I learned how to cook fried eggs 1:14:11.479 --> 1:14:13.680 with tomatoes, you know, and stuff like that. Those are 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:16.240 the things we did. There's nothing sexy about it. It 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:19.280 was tough. We lived on food stamps, you know, yeah, 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:22.600 and it was like but like man like to me, 1:14:23.840 --> 1:14:26.040 I feel so blessed to be in a position where 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:29.559 I am, where we get to interact with people who 1:14:29.640 --> 1:14:32.559 value food at a very high economic level, you know, 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:33.960 where it's like they're willing to pay a lot of 1:14:33.960 --> 1:14:36.640 money for food, and we also get to tell this 1:14:36.680 --> 1:14:38.120 incredible story that comes along with it. 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:50.040 You know, did your folks raise food when you're growing up? 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:51.400 You talk about having. 1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:53.960 Guard Yeah, man, you know you understanding among people. We 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:56.719 so right now, my parents, you know, they're in their seventies, 1:14:56.760 --> 1:15:00.120 they're retired. They have a ten acre farm, right she 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:02.400 my mom calls it a little garden, but it's ten 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:05.000 acres and everything they grow every year they harvest it 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:07.280 and bring over to the restaurant. So yeah, and that's 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:09.240 what it is. Oh dude, Yeah, So. 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:11.519 Your restaurant serves food at your folks raise. 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:13.640 Oh absolutely, that's the whole point of the restaurant. Like 1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:15.599 you know, like what you know, we just got done 1:15:15.640 --> 1:15:17.200 with the state fair, you know. So so in Minnesota 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:19.240 state fair is huge. It's like this year they had 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:21.599 one point eight million people walk through in twelve days. Right. 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:24.000 And so my mom makes these gallipau where there are 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:26.000 these steam buns. Right. So she makes these steam by 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:29.680 as a family tradition. And this year we sold a 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:32.040 little bit over twenty three thousand of them. And so 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:34.880 my mom and my aunt and three church four church 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:39.080 ladies made twenty three thousand of these you know, steam buns, 1:15:39.120 --> 1:15:41.720 and that's I mean, that's my mom has this thing 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:44.920 where she says, I don't know business, I don't know math, 1:15:45.320 --> 1:15:46.880 but my hands have been taking care of you for 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:49.280 the last almost forty years until the day I die. 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:50.839 I will always take care of you. If my hands 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:53.240 can make it and I can produce it, I will 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.280 do it for you, you know. And so it's like 1:15:55.280 --> 1:15:55.639 when you. 1:15:55.600 --> 1:15:58.800 Hear stuff like that, Mom, Bro, when. 1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:01.679 You hear stuff like that, how huge not not keep 1:16:02.160 --> 1:16:03.880 talking about them? You know, And so like I get 1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:07.320 super emotional about it. But like, man, it's like, no quit. 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:10.840 She's in her seventies, no quit. She's out working half 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:13.679 our chefs, you know. And I love it. And it's 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:15.400 not something where I asked her to, but she's just like, 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:17.360 this is what we do. This is how we help 1:16:17.400 --> 1:16:19.120 each other. This is what we do. And that's what 1:16:19.160 --> 1:16:21.360 I love about our culture. You know, there's no quit. 1:16:21.720 --> 1:16:25.760 It is if we come together, we can you know, 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:30.200 we can accomplish more. Dad told me that the Mung culture, 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:34.120 in the Mung people, what happened was hundreds and hundreds 1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:36.599 of years ago. There's always this argument between the eighteen clans, 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:39.800 right who is the rifle like clan name to to 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:42.479 be to lead these people. Right, so it's like this fight, 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:44.920 it's a game of Throne style, right, it's like what 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:47.320 clan should be the you know, it is the direct 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:50.000 line for the first Monk Empire. And you know they 1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:51.400 didn't argue about the plan. 1:16:52.320 --> 1:16:56.080 I'm a Vang Yeah yeah, you're Yangyanglan yeah yeah. 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:58.000 And so it's like game of throne whatever it kind 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:03.240 of deal and which plan is better? I don't know. Yeah, 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:06.120 everyone always yeah, but that's how it is. Yeah, yeah, okay, 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:09.639 cool from you got it, you win, you know. But 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:12.840 but but what Dad said that during the war, during 1:17:12.880 --> 1:17:14.479 the genocide of our people, So you have to realize 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:16.040 that in the Mountain of Laws, there's about three hundred 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.640 thousand moongk people that live there. Through the genocide or 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:21.519 the Mong people. After the war and nineteen seventy five 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:25.639 there about fifty five thousand Mong people were killed, just slaughtered. 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:28.080 So think about that fifty five thousand to sixty thousand 1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:30.160 Mong people killed and thirty it was about three hundred 1:17:30.160 --> 1:17:32.160 thousand people there. And he said he got so bad 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:35.240 that the eighteen clans came together and said we can't 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:38.000 fight anymore about which clan should be the number one. 1:17:38.120 --> 1:17:40.960 We have to unite, and if we don't unite, our 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:43.120 children will never be free. They will live in war. 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:45.639 And Dad said that they made this commitment, that eighteen 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:47.479 clans made this commitment to each other, says no more 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:49.880 will we fight. We have to come together. And you know, 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:53.280 I always say that if you want to know our food, 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:55.000 you have to know our story. Right, it is kind 1:17:55.000 --> 1:17:56.960 of what you were asking me. And I always say 1:17:56.960 --> 1:18:00.759 that our cultural DNA is intricately woven into the foods 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.800 that we eat as Mung people. And I asked my 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:06.360 mom what's the best way to describe Mong people to 1:18:06.360 --> 1:18:08.320 people who have are munk food to people who haven't 1:18:08.320 --> 1:18:11.760 eat Munk food before, And she said, balance, because you 1:18:11.800 --> 1:18:14.799 look at Mung food, we have four basic element always 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:17.679 on the table. There's a rice, there's some kind of protein, 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:20.800 there's a vegetable, and sometimes I have vegetables in a broth, 1:18:20.840 --> 1:18:23.200 and then there's a hot sauce. And she said, out 1:18:23.200 --> 1:18:26.000 of all those four elements on the table, one is 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:28.600 never better than the other because we need all of 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:31.559 them together to make this complete meal. So I always 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:33.160 get asked, what's your favorite mung dish. I'm like, I 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:37.120 can't talk about you know, the grilled pork that my 1:18:37.200 --> 1:18:39.400 dad taught me how to make the grill over a fire. 1:18:39.560 --> 1:18:41.519 I can't talk about that without talking about the sticky rice. 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:43.400 We well, i can't talk about the sticky rice unless 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:45.120 I'm talking about the whatsal, which is, you know, the 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:49.080 pepper sauce and man, the mung mustard green we have that. 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:50.960 You know that the mom girls in her garden has 1:18:50.960 --> 1:18:54.120 this bite that cuts through the porkiness and the fattiness 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:56.479 of the pork, So you need that too. So I 1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:58.880 can't talk about one dish. It's all about a combination 1:18:59.000 --> 1:19:02.240 of one. And you know, in the last few years 1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:03.920 of me being able to do the show Fair Oh 1:19:04.040 --> 1:19:06.519 for Outdoor and being able to meet all these different people, 1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:09.200 I've really learned that the Mong mentality when it comes 1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:12.880 to life and food, it's basically conservationism. It is this 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:16.280 idea that everything is on a balance, it's an ecosystem. 1:19:16.479 --> 1:19:18.760 If one thing goes wrong, like for example, like if 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:20.760 the if the sticky rice, yeah yeah, I knows what 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:22.200 I mean. If the sticky rice is not on the table, 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:24.200 It's like you don't start eating, It's like, nah, and 1:19:24.240 --> 1:19:25.200 we need the rice there first. 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:26.760 Yeah, we have. 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.200 We used to like we used to forget about putting 1:19:29.240 --> 1:19:31.439 the pepper, the hot sauce on there, and my mom 1:19:31.479 --> 1:19:33.519 would stop dinner and we would quickly make it and 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:36.040 then put it on the dinner before it comes together. 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:38.960 And it's this idea that this is, this is an ecosystem. 1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:40.800 Everything needs to work. And that's what I think about 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:42.760 Monk's food. And when I talk about the philosophy of 1:19:42.800 --> 1:19:45.160 munk food, that's what I'm talking about, you know. 1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:49.640 So in the most in the most basic sentence level way, Yeah, 1:19:49.680 --> 1:19:52.479 how do you what would you say, like, what is 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:53.040 mung food? 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:55.120 Yeah? So I always say the munk food isn't a 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:57.720 type of food. It's a philosophy of food, you know. 1:19:57.760 --> 1:20:00.240 And what is that philosophy. It's the philosophy that we 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:03.360 live in a living world around us and using the 1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:08.439 living world around us to make food that nourishes our 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:11.960 soul and brings our community together. And the great thing 1:20:11.960 --> 1:20:13.600 about munk food, and this is what I love, and 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:16.120 I'll get pushed back from some of the hardliners, is 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:20.559 that munk food is not it's represented of what regions 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:22.640 we're in so we're scattered all around. Did you know 1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:26.600 that in nineteen eighty six hundred Mongk people resides in Missoula. 1:20:26.680 --> 1:20:27.519 They can't do that. 1:20:30.680 --> 1:20:33.120 Yeah, they dominated the market. 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:36.040 Absolutely because we are people of you know, the ground, 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:36.320 you know. 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:38.960 But I feel like a French person that lives in 1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:41.799 the French countryside. If I said, like, what is traditional 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:44.520 French food, they could say the sentence you just said, yep, absolutely, 1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:46.160 And so I said, there's got to be another way 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:47.240 to describe mung food. 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:50.080 Well, I what I what I talked about with munk 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:52.680 food is that like, like our story is involved in its. 1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:54.519 So for example, my dad always said to me, no 1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:56.519 matter where you are in the world, wherever you go, 1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:58.719 if you find another monk person there, you always find family. 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:01.120 So the kind of you know what we talked about 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:03.479 in the beginning, right, like, yeah, if I like, I 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:05.559 go to Idaho somewhere and I see another Munk family, 1:21:05.560 --> 1:21:08.000 I'm like, WHOA, what's up? You know? And but we 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:11.840 share that same history, right, That's what happens when you 1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:13.840 have an you don't have a country of your own, right, 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:15.080 And so I would say that if you want to 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:19.040 talk about flavor profile our flavor is representative of Southeast Asia. 1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:20.559 So you know, you got you know, you got your 1:21:20.640 --> 1:21:23.000 lemon grass, you got your gingers, you got your you know, garlic, 1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:25.559 you know a lot a lot of you know, you're 1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:27.920 kind of like the weird cousin to like Loo Thai 1:21:28.400 --> 1:21:30.639 Vietnamese food. You know, you know a little bit of that. 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:33.040 But I think that what if you really want to 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:34.240 get to know munk food, you have to know the 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:36.080 monk people regional because there's more people that live out 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:38.479 in Fresno, California. There's people that live in Boco Raton, 1:21:38.560 --> 1:21:40.519 There's people that live in Low Rock, Arkansas. 1:21:40.840 --> 1:21:44.040 You know, So are you do you see manifestations of 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:48.839 like where where those regions have bled into the culinary tradition? Absolutely, 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:50.160 because the thing I want to ask you about is 1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:53.480 when your folks, like, because your folks grew up in proximity, 1:21:53.520 --> 1:21:58.000 no doubt, to raising food and sourcing food, all of 1:21:58.040 --> 1:22:00.680 a sudden you wind up another continent. It mm hm, 1:22:02.000 --> 1:22:09.560 just just the climactic with gardening food that's available right. Uh, 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:12.320 you had to they had to have been forced in 1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:15.120 some way to lean right, to lean into this whole 1:22:15.160 --> 1:22:17.800 new way of trying to achieve something that made sense 1:22:17.840 --> 1:22:20.040 to them, absolutely from an ingredient standpoint. 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:22.559 Absolutely, And I love the fact that they did because 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:25.759 it's about advancing our people, you know. So in April, 1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:28.280 I got a chance to go back to Laos and 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:31.000 I actually I was with a production crew. We did this, 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:33.960 you know, we filmed this Little Dock series. And I 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:36.639 actually went to the village that my mom was born 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:39.280 in Okay and and I found out that I have 1:22:39.400 --> 1:22:41.920 one hundred years of our our family lineage comes out 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:43.599 of that village. And I went to the exact same spot. 1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:44.960 Are there still in that village? 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:46.880 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They came back after the war? 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.840 Ye oh yeah yeah. So so the Mong people couldn't escape. 1:22:49.880 --> 1:22:51.640 They just came back and lived in the mountains and 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:53.720 they just kept quiet, you know. And so I'm I'm 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:56.560 here in this village and I'm standing on the the 1:22:57.000 --> 1:23:00.880 village Bond I think I think it's Bond sound right now, 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:04.439 because it didn't have a name, but it it The 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:07.559 government named it with the there's like this little river 1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:08.920 that comes by it, and so they named him bon 1:23:09.080 --> 1:23:12.559 Bon and laosh and Lao it means village of you know. 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:15.320 So Son is the name of the river. And and 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:17.000 it's in the mountains. And when I say it's in 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:18.880 the mountains, like you're in a car, you're in a 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:21.679 four wheel drive car. You're driving through the treacherous mountain 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:24.759 for about I don't know, you're about three four hours 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:27.400 to get there. You know, there's nothing up there, you know, 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:29.240 and there's a there's you know, people that live up there. 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:32.200 And I remember standing on the plot of land where 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:35.840 the house that my mom was born in the little kid, yeah, dude, 1:23:35.880 --> 1:23:37.360 And and and to find out that it was one 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:39.880 hundred years like my great grandmother was a shaman in 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:42.360 that village too, you know, so like it's like our 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:43.840 families connected that village time. 1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:45.880 So your mom had to she had to explain like 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:47.720 here there. 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:49.720 No, my mom wasn't there with me. It was like 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:52.639 another cousin of theirs that lived in in Pansavan and 1:23:52.680 --> 1:23:54.920 in Laos that kind of took me up there and says, hey, 1:23:54.920 --> 1:23:56.680 we found Yeah, it was. It was kind of like 1:23:56.680 --> 1:23:59.320 one of those things I'm a late processor about you guys, 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:01.280 but like also it's like okay, cool, like this is cool. 1:24:01.320 --> 1:24:04.000 And then I remember flying back from from you know, 1:24:04.160 --> 1:24:06.479 we flying by it's like thirty hour flight back, and 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:08.760 I'm like just sitting in my playing seat and I'm 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:11.960 just start tearing up, and I'm like, yeah, what's going 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:15.799 hot going, you know, and it starts hitting me like dang, 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:18.479 like and Mom's never been back there ever, you know, 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:20.960 in like almost seventy some years. She was born there. 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:22.320 She was born there, you know, and they had to 1:24:22.479 --> 1:24:24.800 escape right away. They had to leave, you know, because 1:24:24.800 --> 1:24:27.400 it was like like you know, and so I was 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:29.680 I was standing there and I'm watching all of this, 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:30.479 and I go. 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:32.439 Wow, other people, there's people living there. 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:35.920 Yeah, there is there's people spot Yeah. And and I 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:37.839 was watching the way that they make the food and stuff, 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:40.600 and man, it still carries a little bit of like 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:43.320 there's these flavored tones and these notes that still carry. 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:47.240 But if you go to those villages, their technology is 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:52.080 barely past the bronze age for real. Like you go in, 1:24:52.200 --> 1:24:55.360 it's just all like you know, they it's very very primitive. 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:58.360 But the way they do things. I loved it, you know, 1:24:58.360 --> 1:25:00.280 because I'm watching them do things and I'm like, bro, 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:02.360 I'm like bringing that technique back like that. And I 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:04.599 felt like, you know, I've never been to Loust before, right, 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:07.080 But I felt like the best way I explained it 1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:09.680 was it was like going to a home that you've 1:25:09.720 --> 1:25:12.200 never been to, but you still feel at home there. 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:14.559 So that's how I felt up there. I was like dude, 1:25:14.600 --> 1:25:17.280 and and it was you know, seeing your own people there. 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:19.920 And it was funny because like I'm a bigger dude, 1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:22.320 so I don't look like most Munk kids, you know, 1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:25.680 So a lot of times, like I was there, they 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:27.320 didn't think I was Mung because the crew we were 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:29.640 with had Lao Tai and you know, you know, like 1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:31.360 white people, and so they were just like they just 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:32.760 thought I was one of the other helpers. And then 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:35.519 I started speaking among them and they're like what you know? 1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:38.080 And I'm was it clear to them? 1:25:38.200 --> 1:25:40.360 You know? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, if you deal 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:43.080 with this. But like I get, like I I work 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:45.200 with like a lot of non Mung people. So when 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:46.960 I do speak Munk, I go when I go home, right, 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:48.760 you know with mom and dad, and then I'll speak Monk. 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:51.439 But I don't speak monk, you know, like daily a lot, 1:25:51.560 --> 1:25:54.400 you know, And and I was really nervous. I was like, shoot, 1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:56.920 because like the OG's up there, man, they will wreck 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:59.439 you if you're mong is like, you know, like if 1:25:59.479 --> 1:26:01.479 your mung is good or if you had the wrong accent. 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:03.599 They're like, dude, you're a stupid kid, like, don't even 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:04.479 say that start, but you're. 1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:09.200 Like, you know. Yanni says something similar about, uh, we're 1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:12.879 at a conversation recently where the Latvians in America police 1:26:12.960 --> 1:26:15.200 the Latvian. Then you go to Lava, they just want 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:18.040 to talk English. Yeah, yeah, because they want to practice English. 1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:20.800 And when I got there, there was something inside of me. 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:22.320 I don't know if it was like flight or flight 1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:24.760 inside of me. Then I started just speaking Monk and 1:26:24.760 --> 1:26:26.639 I did something to the translation part of the show, 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:28.560 and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm actually doing a 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:29.439 lot better than I am. 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:31.240 You know, can you give us a sense of what 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:32.000 Monk sounds like? 1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:33.799 I don't know, it's weird. 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:36.360 I mean just like, can you just say say some 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:38.200 stuff just to give a sense of what the language 1:26:38.200 --> 1:26:40.479 sounds like for people. I'm guessing most people have not 1:26:40.560 --> 1:26:41.000 heard monk. 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:43.120 Yeah, if you want to talk about the white people 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:45.519 at the table with that's fine. 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:48.680 Bunch of white people talking about the mom I don't 1:26:48.680 --> 1:26:49.519 even know how to start it. 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:50.480 It's so weird. 1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:56.920 Uh, I'll say yeah and jikon. 1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:04.800 Studio can it yeah? Which okay, you know she thought 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:12.439 yea and named that's you guys. 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:15.599 How much overlap is there with I'm a little ignorant 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:19.160 on the language structure. Is there a Laosian there's like 1:27:19.479 --> 1:27:22.639 there's yeah, is that the native language is called Laotan? 1:27:22.960 --> 1:27:25.679 Yeah, lao Okaya. Is there a lot of overlap. 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:28.639 There's a few words, a few words, but generally they're 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:29.160 like the sting. 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:31.519 So for example, like the word burrito is not an 1:27:31.560 --> 1:27:33.800 English word, right, it's a Spanish word, but it's part 1:27:33.840 --> 1:27:37.080 of the English language. We say burrito burrito, right, Well 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:40.240 you play it in scrabble, yeah, yeah. But in long words, 1:27:40.280 --> 1:27:42.759 there there's a few words that I wouldn't say overlap, 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:46.320 but it's like art. Just because our cultures like are 1:27:46.400 --> 1:27:49.519 right with each other, they use different words, like like 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:54.080 when I was in laos bathroom and long word is honah, 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:57.000 that's bathroom, but for the laower is honam. 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.639 You know, So it's like a little bit that would 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:01.640 be that would be an example of a similarity. 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:05.760 Yep, you know, uh yeah, the word the word go 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:10.360 like by right, that's that's like I've learned that that 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:15.080 was that's thaie yep so thy lao uh you know, 1:28:15.479 --> 1:28:18.360 and even even a little bit of Vietnamese like they 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:20.519 share like culinary wise, they all kind of share the 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:23.519 same kind of word, right, even a little bit of Chinese, 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:25.840 you know, like the steam bund you know, like the 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:28.920 Chinese seam bun is called bao, but the the Lao 1:28:29.320 --> 1:28:32.000 Thai and mungk version of his callabao, you know, because 1:28:32.000 --> 1:28:33.280 they have the word bow at the end, you know. 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:36.840 So so like there's all these little like you know, 1:28:37.479 --> 1:28:39.280 I don't want to say that they're crossovers, but there's 1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:41.360 like you you you pull from each other right again, 1:28:41.439 --> 1:28:43.439 Like like my my example is always the word burrito 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:46.000 when I tell sometimes, I told this guy wants to burrito, 1:28:46.000 --> 1:28:48.640 isn't no, no, that's like an American word. I'm like, bro, 1:28:48.920 --> 1:28:52.160 burrito is not an American word, okay. And I had 1:28:52.200 --> 1:28:53.880 to explain to him He's like what I always thought 1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:56.960 it was like an American thing, and like stop like stop, 1:28:57.080 --> 1:28:57.280 you know. 1:28:57.400 --> 1:28:59.080 But you know, like kind of like that, could you 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:01.760 guys understand tie, I. 1:29:01.920 --> 1:29:05.479 Know, I don't speak to no, no, no, we it's 1:29:05.520 --> 1:29:07.920 it's all, and you know, growing up like you grow 1:29:08.360 --> 1:29:12.599 like among is, it's totally its own, totally different language. 1:29:12.600 --> 1:29:16.240 And our our language has eight tones to it, so 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:18.639 it's our language is completely tonal right. So here's here's 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:20.600 a funny one I always tell people. So when you 1:29:20.680 --> 1:29:23.840 don't know something, this isn't related to the number of clans, no, 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:26.240 no tones in your language. So for example, like when 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:28.560 I say I don't know, like in the word I 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:30.600 don't know, guccipo, you know, but if you do it 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:32.960 with the wrong tone guccio, which means I smell like 1:29:33.000 --> 1:29:38.640 fart yeah yeah, well yeah fart yeah. Uh, it's so 1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:40.800 so it's like that. So it's like when when I 1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:41.599 have white friends. 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:44.519 What a minefield, man, Dude, Like I learned the language. 1:29:45.200 --> 1:29:46.760 The thing is when you have white friends that are 1:29:46.800 --> 1:29:49.040 teaching me among the phrase, and I'm like, okay, but 1:29:49.120 --> 1:29:50.759 if you say it in the wrong tone, you're gonna 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.200 totally say something horrible, like what what do you mean? 1:29:53.280 --> 1:29:55.080 And then it's always like it sounds the same right, 1:29:55.080 --> 1:29:56.559 And I'm like, no, dude, you just said you smell 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:57.679 like part like you know. Yeah. 1:29:57.720 --> 1:30:03.120 Steve Steve, the the written form of the Monk language 1:30:03.439 --> 1:30:06.759 wasn't actually created by a monk person. 1:30:07.080 --> 1:30:07.799 It was created. 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:12.160 It was founded by a French priest. So he came 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:13.880 into and I shared this a little bit when I 1:30:14.040 --> 1:30:18.920 was first here. He came into that that region, worked 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:23.200 with the monk, understood language, learned language, and came up 1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:24.520 with the written version. 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:27.599 Of it in using English letter. Yes, using English. 1:30:27.640 --> 1:30:29.360 Try to dance around the tone issue. 1:30:29.479 --> 1:30:33.360 Oh, he figured a way to He found the tone, 1:30:33.560 --> 1:30:36.400 He figured a way to capture the tones, and he 1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:39.040 created this in the early forties. 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:43.200 Yeah, you just add a lot more words, oh, clarifying, Yeah, 1:30:43.760 --> 1:30:45.519 by which I mean, well. 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:49.040 Like what what was incredible with what he did when 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:52.280 he took our language from an oral history to a 1:30:52.320 --> 1:30:54.640 written history is he didn't realize what he did was 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:57.599 he changed history for our people. So in our culture 1:30:57.680 --> 1:31:00.320 everything's oral, right, So it's like you tell us story 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:02.640 and the next person tells that story and they have 1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:05.000 to keep it to exactly the tea right, you can't 1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:07.320 divert from it because for us, like for example, like 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:10.360 my father would always tell us like two like two 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:13.080 fathers making a deal. It was you just said it, 1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:14.920 you have people witnessed to say it, and then you 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:17.200 shook your hand and that was it. It wasn't like 1:31:17.240 --> 1:31:19.080 we write a contract and we sign it out. So 1:31:19.160 --> 1:31:22.439 in our culture, your word means everything. Being a man 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:25.200 of honor, being a person of honor, being a person integrity. 1:31:25.320 --> 1:31:27.519 That means everything. You keep to your word. You say 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:29.000 I'm going to be here on Tuesday to help you, 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:30.720 I'm gonna be here on Tuesday to help you. There's 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:33.120 no contract that needs to be done. That's our culture. 1:31:33.920 --> 1:31:36.720 When the French priest came in and said, hey, I'm 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:39.479 going to put this into written form, he changed our 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.160 world because before the way that we would tell our 1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:45.320 history is you hand it down from generation to generation. 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:48.760 One father talks about his father that who told him 1:31:48.800 --> 1:31:52.479 a story from his father. Right our elders right now, 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:55.160 they are elders that are in the seventies and eighties 1:31:55.200 --> 1:31:59.000 that are passing away there they are our historical archives. 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:03.719 Inside their minds hold our history. As they are passing away, 1:32:04.560 --> 1:32:07.479 our history is going with them. So there's a project 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:10.200 that where I'm working on saying how do we record this? 1:32:11.200 --> 1:32:13.800 How do we write these things down? How do we 1:32:13.960 --> 1:32:17.080 film this? How do we record this? Because the idea 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:19.960 of just writing something down for our people was so 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:21.679 brand staking new in the fifties. 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:23.240 There's like a recapture. 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:26.519 Yeah, but what it does is you were able to 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:29.720 record history. Like for example, my father when he came 1:32:29.760 --> 1:32:32.519 to this country, he had to make up a birthday 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:34.920 because he didn't know when he was born, so he 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:38.640 chose January first, it's his birthday. A lot of the 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:40.760 most the first day that came to my mind, well 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:42.439 a lot of if you look at a lot of 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:45.519 refugees and immigrants from Southeast Asia at the time, January 1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:48.800 first is what they use because it was the most simplest, like, hey, 1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:52.000 this is the day, you know. And then he was 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:53.600 asked to give a signature. 1:32:53.240 --> 1:32:56.439 But they're going off the Gregorian calendar and not the 1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:58.439 lunar calendar, or they just knew that it was. 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:02.920 They just did that because because of the NGO workers 1:33:02.960 --> 1:33:05.720 that were in these refugee camps, it goes, well, January first, 1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:07.680 that's the first of the year, and so that's what 1:33:07.800 --> 1:33:09.920 they did, I mean. And then it was then he 1:33:10.000 --> 1:33:12.479 had to learn how to sign his name and by 1:33:13.080 --> 1:33:14.760 at the point because he didn't have to. But now 1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:17.240 when he signed his name on those documents, like it 1:33:17.439 --> 1:33:22.439 was literally what he said was the NGO worker wrote 1:33:22.479 --> 1:33:24.960 out my dad's name incursive, and then my dad put 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:27.360 a paper on top and he traced it. So dad 1:33:27.439 --> 1:33:29.320 had to learn how to write in English. The first 1:33:29.360 --> 1:33:31.479 thing he wrote was his name to sign his name 1:33:31.520 --> 1:33:33.960 on those documents for our family to come here. It 1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:36.400 changed the course of history for his family and changed 1:33:36.400 --> 1:33:39.120 the course history for me. So like to me, writing 1:33:39.400 --> 1:33:43.840 is very important and how it preserves our culture, that's 1:33:44.040 --> 1:33:46.560 very important because anytime we need information we're gonna do 1:33:46.600 --> 1:33:47.760 we go to our phone and we you know what, 1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:50.639 I don't second think like reading. I don't think about 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:53.719 much about it. It's like I read. My parents can't 1:33:54.479 --> 1:33:57.519 read English and they can't speak English. And so growing up, 1:33:58.360 --> 1:34:00.479 when we went to doctor's visit a year a year, 1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:03.559 had to be the translator, so I would remember. Really, yeah, 1:34:03.600 --> 1:34:06.160 imagine how awkward it is is you go into the 1:34:06.240 --> 1:34:09.559 doctor's office and you have to translate about your mom's 1:34:09.960 --> 1:34:13.680 health issues somewhere on her body to the doctor, and 1:34:13.760 --> 1:34:15.679 then the doctor had to tell you these other things 1:34:15.720 --> 1:34:17.880 about some infection whatever, and then you had to explained 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:19.760 that you're at his eight year old. We did that 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.040 growing up. That's what we did and we I just 1:34:22.080 --> 1:34:25.880 thought that was normal, but it's incredible about like the 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.200 reading and writing and how that changed the course of 1:34:28.360 --> 1:34:29.240 history for our people. 1:34:30.320 --> 1:34:33.760 I purposely text my dad and Monk just to keep 1:34:33.880 --> 1:34:38.120 up with, you know, the reading and the writing, because 1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:39.160 I learned how to read and write it. 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:43.839 Is there a monk keyboard on an iPhone? No, it uses. 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:49.760 Uses, you know, the regular used alpha alphabet, and so 1:34:50.280 --> 1:34:52.519 if you know the eight tones, also the monk. 1:34:52.880 --> 1:34:54.080 There's no mong al, there's no. 1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:58.200 No, no, the friend. Yeah, it's it's all English letters. 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:01.080 It's not phonetic because if I wrote some stuff out 1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:04.920 here and you read it, you it wouldn't it be gibberish? Right, 1:35:05.160 --> 1:35:07.640 So if you didn't know kind of the conventions of 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:08.720 the language in. 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:11.280 Order to use it, using the letters as symbols. 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:14.960 But it's not phenomical, it's not phonetic, but you're using 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:19.640 the letters as the Roman indicators of what you know. 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:23.400 Like for example, the last letter in the word. If 1:35:23.439 --> 1:35:26.400 I wrote out a word, the last letter indicates what 1:35:26.640 --> 1:35:28.960 tone you're supposed to say that word in. 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:31.000 Okay, let me, let me, let me hate, let me 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:38.880 hate you with this, you see, I'm using this this 1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:41.760 conventional quirity keyboard or whatever. I kep using like these 1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:46.599 letters the English alphabet, and I put down A. Okay, 1:35:47.080 --> 1:35:49.120 and you see A. What do you see when you 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:52.360 see A with your Mong brain? That's not that's not 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:56.320 among word? Then okay, but I'm saying the letter U. 1:35:57.000 --> 1:36:00.920 I guess I would go with. I would start it 1:36:00.960 --> 1:36:03.320 would start out as kind of phonetic, so I would say, 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:04.760 you're trying to get ah. 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:08.920 Yeah, all right, I thought you meant maybe that they 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:10.760 were It doesn't matter what thought. I thought you meant 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:14.040 that they use these symbols but assign them totally different meanings. 1:36:15.160 --> 1:36:18.080 No, No, I think it's like if you wrote out dog, 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:20.320 but then at the end of dog there was an S, 1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:22.400 and then you wrote out dog and then there might 1:36:22.439 --> 1:36:25.400 have been an R. You might say dog one way 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:27.560 that means one thing with the S, and then you 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:29.360 might say dog a different way. 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:33.160 Yah, yeah, and then and then don't forget. Don't forget that. 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:36.160 The Mung language we also have two dialects too, yes, 1:36:36.400 --> 1:36:40.000 correct tones. Two dialects, well sometimes three, because if you like, 1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:43.040 they have their own dialect too, then the monk Shua 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:45.720 they have their own dialect too. But yeah, but basic Mung. 1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:47.559 There's two dialects. You have your white and your green, 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:50.320 you know, or blue, because the Mung word for green 1:36:50.640 --> 1:36:53.840 and blue is the same word ju, which means blue 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:54.200 and green. 1:36:54.640 --> 1:36:56.680 I got a couple of questions. Okay here putting that 1:36:56.760 --> 1:36:58.200 out there before we get too late. 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:00.800 The I'll say what I was gonna ask weave this in. 1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:02.519 I was gonna ask when you went to that village, 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:05.080 did they have air guns? And did they hunt and whatnot? 1:37:06.360 --> 1:37:10.200 Yeah, you want to go there, you throw it into 1:37:10.240 --> 1:37:11.559 the mix real quick. 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:16.479 One about birthdays, But prior to having a birthday or 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:19.640 like picking a date, did they celebrate some sort of 1:37:19.800 --> 1:37:23.400 version of our birthday? Like did the monk celebrate that 1:37:23.560 --> 1:37:27.200 before being Americans annual milestone of some sort. 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:30.479 Yeah, that's a good that's a good question. Oh, go ahead, 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:34.559 I would say, even if they did, it probably wasn't 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:37.519 like how we do it here, No big care. 1:37:37.600 --> 1:37:38.679 It's yeah, it's it's. 1:37:41.120 --> 1:37:42.080 No cake and can. 1:37:42.160 --> 1:37:44.759 Mounts of loose candles aren't like the number one priority 1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:47.840 to buy. It's like, oh, hey, we have thirty cents candles. 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:48.760 That's where we're going. 1:37:49.200 --> 1:37:52.800 And you know, you know, for the longest time, you know, 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:55.559 I would say that I don't even know my true 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:58.400 birth date, right, It was kind of just something that 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.800 was given to me, right and so and so they 1:38:00.920 --> 1:38:03.400 kind of go by, Oh, actually if you yes, our 1:38:03.479 --> 1:38:05.320 parents they'd be like, oh, yeah, you were born in 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:06.720 this time frame. 1:38:06.800 --> 1:38:07.439 It's like a guess. 1:38:08.320 --> 1:38:10.080 You don't know your you don't know you're actually. 1:38:11.400 --> 1:38:16.040 The one time or school government. I have one, but 1:38:16.240 --> 1:38:19.200 is that really truly the day? So you just you 1:38:19.280 --> 1:38:21.599 know if you were born in the spring or the fall. Yeah, 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:26.000 it's it's a guess. It's like, yeah, it's really funny though. 1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:28.760 This is exactly like talking to my mother. Suld be like, 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:37.639 well you're you're born in yeah, well you know the harvest. 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:40.760 See what's fishing walleye when you were born or something 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:43.200 that's awesome. 1:38:43.479 --> 1:38:46.080 I do want to hear about like the proteins, like 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:51.720 the cooking side. So not a lot of fish. I 1:38:51.760 --> 1:38:53.920 guess specific to your it. 1:38:54.000 --> 1:38:56.760 Depends, like for for our restaurant or like just for 1:38:56.960 --> 1:38:58.880 munk food in general. I guess munk food in general, 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:01.400 it depends. Uh, you know, I think that a lot 1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:04.080 of our people are mountain people, so it's what you 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:06.080 get from the mountains, you know, and then you know, 1:39:06.120 --> 1:39:08.160 if there's streams and stuff like that, you get you know, 1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:10.160 little fish, you know, and stuff like that, but it's not, 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:13.680 you know, we're we're not. We're not like you know, 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:16.080 we're not in the lowlands by you know, the ocean. 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:18.280 So it was like like so the idea of shrimp 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:20.760 and different kinds of octopus and stuff like that, and 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:24.400 crabs and you know that's really later on, you know, 1:39:24.520 --> 1:39:26.760 because that's kind of like the high life. Like and 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:29.160 when I say in the mountains, dude, I'm talking about 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:32.200 like the reason why in nineteen eighty there's six hundred 1:39:32.240 --> 1:39:34.000 month people that ended up in Missoulu. It's like they 1:39:34.080 --> 1:39:36.160 love the mountains because you just want to be left alone. 1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:38.320 It's like our people has been like we only left alone. 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:39.720 We want to be farmers, that's all we want to do. 1:39:40.680 --> 1:39:43.160 And so for them to for for for them, it 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:44.880 was like when if you go to a city, it 1:39:45.000 --> 1:39:46.519 was like back in you know, back in the day 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:47.920 my mom's times. They were said it would be like 1:39:48.000 --> 1:39:49.920 as five to six hour walk that you would just 1:39:50.000 --> 1:39:52.040 trek down the mountain and then you you know, you 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:54.679 sell some vegetables, you get enough money to buy salt, 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:57.240 and then you just trek back up and you'll use 1:39:57.280 --> 1:39:59.000 that salt, you know, and then it's like when you 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:01.080 get down there, you're like, whoa. You see these shrimp 1:40:01.160 --> 1:40:03.400 and crab and it's like, wow, just to have one 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:06.880 would be incredible, you know. And so but again a 1:40:06.920 --> 1:40:08.920 lot of that changes with our people changing, you know, 1:40:09.040 --> 1:40:10.640 as some home people came down from the mountain and 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:13.000 started living in the lowlands, and then even us being 1:40:13.040 --> 1:40:15.640 here in America, you know, and you know, I mean, 1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:18.760 I love seafood and you know, but normally you don't 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:21.240 you don't see that it's you know, it's a heavy pork, 1:40:21.479 --> 1:40:24.600 a lot of small games, and a lot of vegetables, 1:40:24.600 --> 1:40:27.800 a lot of broth, you know, a lot of soup, 1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:31.000 a lot of stew. And if you want to go 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:32.840 old school, I mean it's a lot of the meat 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:37.360 is actually jerky basically, you know, like they season it 1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:39.240 really and then they hang it and they have a 1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:41.080 fire inside they hang it, and it is so cool 1:40:41.120 --> 1:40:42.840 to be in these villages and see them still using 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:44.880 this technique and they hang it from the top and 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:46.880 they dry it and then you take the meat out 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:48.960 when you're done. And what the meat really is is 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:51.120 it's a flavoring to your soups and your stews. 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:56.240 Yeah, conservatively, absolutely, yeah. Did you still see some did 1:40:56.280 --> 1:40:58.599 you still see some hunting going on when you went back? 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:00.680 Oh? Absolutely yeah, Yah yeah. We were hunting like these 1:41:00.720 --> 1:41:04.000 like little small squirrels and you know, lizards, you know, 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:07.240 like monco lizards, and it's just anything that the jungle provides, 1:41:07.320 --> 1:41:08.559 you know. And that's like, that's the thing I love 1:41:08.560 --> 1:41:09.880 about being mung And that's what. 1:41:10.080 --> 1:41:12.320 Was the hunting deliberate, meaning like you were going out 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:14.840 or was just that you would encounter stuff throughout the 1:41:14.960 --> 1:41:17.759 day of raising your crops and it traveling around. 1:41:18.040 --> 1:41:21.920 So again, in every culture, it's like the idea where 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:23.320 it's like hey, boys, you want to go Oka, cool, 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:25.519 let's go, you know, and so like sometimes it's literally 1:41:25.640 --> 1:41:27.960 like hey, let's go out. A lot of times, dude. 1:41:28.479 --> 1:41:32.240 One of my favorite scenes where we went was they 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:33.760 weren't home. They were a loud but there were like 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:36.040 five or six of them. They have scuba gear and 1:41:36.040 --> 1:41:37.880 the little like a little gear set and they jumped 1:41:37.920 --> 1:41:39.439 themway with a little spear guns and they would go 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:42.360 spear like in the river they go and they would 1:41:42.360 --> 1:41:45.519 go spear little Tilapias and they came out and they 1:41:45.600 --> 1:41:47.760 freaking looked like a bunch of navy seals coming out 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:49.960 of the water. And these these like little like you know, 1:41:50.080 --> 1:41:52.679 these Lao kids and they all have little spear guns 1:41:52.720 --> 1:41:54.000 and then just fishing on the other hand, and it 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:56.200 was the most ba scene ever standing on the river 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:58.920 and I'm like, man, you would kick the crap out 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:01.800 of any American, you know. I'm like, if North Korea 1:42:01.880 --> 1:42:03.720 ever attacks, i want you on our team, you know. 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:06.479 And and so I mean, that's that's what it is. 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:08.640 It's a lot of times it's the when you're a 1:42:08.720 --> 1:42:11.040 little you know, where you're growing up, especially with the boys. 1:42:11.080 --> 1:42:13.080 It's like you go out with dad, you go out 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:15.919 with your uncles. You learn they have little like snares 1:42:15.960 --> 1:42:17.479 and stuff they set up and you know, and then 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:19.400 you know, you follow Grandpa and you go and grab 1:42:19.479 --> 1:42:21.280 the snare and see, oh look they gotta squirrel today 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:23.920 or whatever, you know, and yeah, and so it it 1:42:24.120 --> 1:42:25.600 was just part of the repeat. I mean, like we 1:42:25.920 --> 1:42:28.200 went and we even caught bats, you know, so we 1:42:28.400 --> 1:42:30.400 ate bats, and people were, you know, freaked down, They're like, oh, 1:42:30.479 --> 1:42:32.479 what would you do that. I'm like, you have to understand. 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:35.519 We don't have a whole foods out here, like we 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:38.080 have a whole jungle, and you just get what the 1:42:38.160 --> 1:42:39.040 jungle provides for you. 1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:40.640 How they catch targets. 1:42:41.000 --> 1:42:43.479 Uh, so you figure like they figure out a bad cave, 1:42:43.680 --> 1:42:48.280 you know, and and then uh, during the night the 1:42:48.360 --> 1:42:50.840 bats will fly out. Uh, and so like six thirty 1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:52.240 best fight out and they just put up a big 1:42:52.360 --> 1:42:53.800 net and just catch all the bats in there and. 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:57.519 Coming back into when they're leaving them, they catch them 1:42:57.560 --> 1:42:57.960 as they leave. 1:42:58.040 --> 1:42:59.840 Yes, sorry, yeah, leave and then they come back out 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:01.360 like six in the morning. So it's like you know 1:43:01.479 --> 1:43:03.120 that it's like a million of them and you put 1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:05.200 on that and they kick it all caught and you know, 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:07.200 and then you uh, you know, you braize them and 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:10.960 you eat them. Yeah, it was just braise the hair 1:43:11.080 --> 1:43:12.880 right off of them. Well they throw it over the 1:43:12.920 --> 1:43:14.800 fire to kind of charge the hair off, and then 1:43:15.040 --> 1:43:16.960 they don't cut it out, you know, there's no you 1:43:17.000 --> 1:43:19.080 know whatever, and then guts it all right in the 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:21.800 and then and then you they stick it in the bamboo. Actually, 1:43:22.240 --> 1:43:24.639 and they so they season it with like garlic, ginger, 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:26.320 you know, you know, and all that stuff. And then 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:28.240 they put it in a bamboo and they close the 1:43:28.280 --> 1:43:30.639 bamboo off with put it in there like a container, 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:33.680 the bamboo, yeah, like yeah, as a container. And then 1:43:33.720 --> 1:43:35.320 they put a little water in there, and then that 1:43:35.400 --> 1:43:37.240 becomes a steaming vessel and they throw that rod over 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:40.439 the fire. So bamboo is like like cooking inside of 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:43.040 bamboo is like, by the way, that's going to be 1:43:43.080 --> 1:43:44.720 the thing where we want to try to do to 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:47.880 just like I mean, it's this old school way of 1:43:47.920 --> 1:43:49.600 cooking when you really got to know how to do it. 1:43:49.640 --> 1:43:51.080 But like my father was telling me about it, where 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:53.880 it's like basically the bamboo itself is it's a vessel 1:43:54.000 --> 1:43:56.760 and it's bamboo is just water and moisture. So you 1:43:56.840 --> 1:43:58.439 put you know, your meat in there, and then you 1:43:58.600 --> 1:44:02.080 close it the end off with banana leaves, and you 1:44:02.200 --> 1:44:03.920 just tough and you throw it right on the fire 1:44:04.040 --> 1:44:06.639 and just keep turning it and it just brazes inside. 1:44:07.240 --> 1:44:09.680 The problem with that ship is, uh, I brought a 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:11.880 bunch of that home. Our buddy Clay, he's got a 1:44:11.920 --> 1:44:14.080 bunch of bamboo in his yard. I brought a bunch home. 1:44:14.720 --> 1:44:16.800 But it's cool, but ans soon as it drives out, 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:18.800 just cracks the hell yeah, so you're gonna need a 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:21.599 steady supply. Yeah, and it's really funny won't be able 1:44:21.600 --> 1:44:22.840 to have and you won't be able to have one well. 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:25.040 Down in North Carolina, North Carolina, there's a bunch of 1:44:25.040 --> 1:44:28.519 monkey that lived down there. Uh, they planted bamboos in 1:44:28.600 --> 1:44:31.160 the back of their yard and now it's like invasive there. Yeah, 1:44:31.200 --> 1:44:33.280 and so they're just cutting down. And if you I 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:34.760 got some cousins down there, you call them, they'll just 1:44:34.800 --> 1:44:37.559 send you a bunch up. Yeah. Yeah. Green Bamboo wrote 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:38.479 real fresh. Yeah. 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:44.960 What was your earliest experience? Uh in uh, how old 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:45.960 were you when you came to the US. 1:44:46.360 --> 1:44:47.240 It was like four and a half. 1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:52.320 So I'm assuming that they that your people they didn't 1:44:52.360 --> 1:44:54.560 hunt and fish in the refugee camp just because of 1:44:54.600 --> 1:44:57.360 the nature of the camp, right, they did too, like 1:44:57.640 --> 1:45:00.599 really like you could they could go as they please 1:45:00.680 --> 1:45:01.479 within a certain. 1:45:01.640 --> 1:45:04.040 Kind of yeah. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah, I mean 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:05.600 it was it's a huge So so you got to 1:45:05.640 --> 1:45:08.240 realize that that refugee camp, held from seventy five to 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:11.639 ninety two, held ninety thousand people. So it's like it's 1:45:11.680 --> 1:45:13.880 a city. Yeah, and it was big, and there wasn't 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:16.080 like here's here's the borders, here's the wall. It's just like, 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:18.320 you know, you can go into the jungle and you 1:45:18.400 --> 1:45:20.360 can hunt and you can do things. There were people 1:45:20.439 --> 1:45:22.760 that were they had gardens and you know they were 1:45:22.880 --> 1:45:24.599 you know, people that were selling stuff in there too. 1:45:24.720 --> 1:45:27.519 So yeah, then when he in the US, what was 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:29.960 your earliest exposure to hunting here in the US. 1:45:30.560 --> 1:45:33.360 My parents like hunt, my aunts and uncle or you know, 1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:35.720 my uncles and them hunt, and so it was, you 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:38.600 know when when deer season came around, and you know, 1:45:38.880 --> 1:45:41.680 like we always had a deer, you know, one or two. Yeah. 1:45:41.720 --> 1:45:43.439 And the cool thing about the moon culture and yeah, 1:45:43.439 --> 1:45:45.560 you can contest to this is like the way that 1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:47.120 it works in our family because I grew up in 1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:48.880 a small town in Wisconsin. It was all cousins, right, 1:45:49.880 --> 1:45:51.760 uncles and them all living around there. And if one 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:53.080 of them got a deer, no matter at the time 1:45:53.120 --> 1:45:55.160 of the day, like if it was like nine o'clock, 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:57.360 we got a deer, they call, and then our whole 1:45:57.400 --> 1:45:59.439 family would just go over there and everybody just breaks 1:45:59.479 --> 1:46:01.040 it down and then we just make a meal out 1:46:01.040 --> 1:46:04.920 of it. Oh yeah, dude, Like I didn't understand. I 1:46:05.000 --> 1:46:07.240 didn't know that you can get the deer process. I 1:46:07.360 --> 1:46:09.960 was just like, wait, what what like you pay someone 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:11.800 else the process you're deer. I'm like, why don't you 1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:14.560 guys just do it? And they're like no, why or 1:46:14.760 --> 1:46:16.880 you know, and it's just like it was always like 1:46:17.320 --> 1:46:19.880 and when I when I got into the food world, 1:46:19.920 --> 1:46:21.720 everyone was like, oh, knows the tail cooking man, that's 1:46:21.720 --> 1:46:23.160 the cool thing. Knows the tail cooking. I'm like, do 1:46:23.240 --> 1:46:24.280 we call it a Tuesday? 1:46:24.560 --> 1:46:25.000 At house? 1:46:25.520 --> 1:46:27.840 That was an everyday thing, you know, so it was normal. 1:46:27.920 --> 1:46:30.400 It was normal growing up. You know. We didn't go 1:46:30.439 --> 1:46:32.400 to the grocery store for pork, like we went to 1:46:32.400 --> 1:46:35.160 an amage farm and then like picking lobster, Dad goes 1:46:35.200 --> 1:46:37.320 that one and then he you know, and then he 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:39.320 does his thing to it, and then we all kids 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:41.280 like okay, everyone grab a knife and then we helped 1:46:41.280 --> 1:46:43.000 break it down, you know. And I was like, I didn't. 1:46:43.160 --> 1:46:46.760 I didn't grow up playing, didn't go in basketball camp 1:46:46.880 --> 1:46:49.280 or you know, throwing learning how to throw a baseball. 1:46:49.360 --> 1:46:51.519 This is what I did. And I thought it was normal, 1:46:51.720 --> 1:46:53.080 you know. I thought it was like every kid did this. 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:55.320 Then I found out. I remember the day I found 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:57.360 out that way you can just buy pork at the 1:46:58.320 --> 1:47:02.160 grocery store all chopped. Yeah, like what it blew my 1:47:02.240 --> 1:47:04.519 mind in college when I figure that out, that's amazing. 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:05.160 I love that. 1:47:05.680 --> 1:47:07.519 At what point did you think that you're gonna get 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:09.439 into the food biz like the rest of Yes, So 1:47:09.520 --> 1:47:11.080 it did it seem like a lot of obstacles. 1:47:11.680 --> 1:47:16.880 No, I was always so I'm a I'm a like 1:47:17.240 --> 1:47:19.000 if I touch it with my hand, I can understand 1:47:19.040 --> 1:47:21.759 it better. I'm not. My brothers and sisters are super academic. 1:47:21.760 --> 1:47:24.600 They're really smart. They're incredible. But for me, I was like, 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:26.760 I'll read a book and I'm like, duh, I don't 1:47:26.800 --> 1:47:29.360 know what happened here, you know. But like if you 1:47:29.400 --> 1:47:31.160 put stuff in front of me and says, hey, like 1:47:31.439 --> 1:47:33.120 break down this chicken, and i'm'll show you where the 1:47:33.160 --> 1:47:34.880 joints are or where they're like, Hey, this is how 1:47:34.960 --> 1:47:36.360 we break down a deer, or this is how we 1:47:36.400 --> 1:47:38.320 break down a rabbit, I could like my dad would 1:47:38.320 --> 1:47:39.840 show me He'll break it up and goes, here are 1:47:39.840 --> 1:47:41.559 the joints you need to cut. Here are the four cuts. 1:47:41.600 --> 1:47:43.880 And I'm like, oh, cool, you know, and it made 1:47:43.920 --> 1:47:49.920 sense to me. I didn't like my parents didn't want 1:47:50.000 --> 1:47:52.479 me to cook, because they felt that that was a 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:53.240 very hard job. 1:47:53.280 --> 1:47:53.400 You know. 1:47:53.479 --> 1:47:55.400 My father said to me, he said, we came to 1:47:55.479 --> 1:47:58.640 this country so that you can sit I want you 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:03.240 to sit in a nice office somewhere and signing people's checks. Doctor, lawyer, doctor, 1:48:04.040 --> 1:48:07.040 that was your choice. Yeah, doctor, lawyer or some kind 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:07.599 of business person. 1:48:07.600 --> 1:48:11.519 I heard that we had, uh South Vietnamese dude explain that. 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:15.000 He said, you're either a doctor lawyer. You're not my kid. 1:48:15.200 --> 1:48:18.280 Yeah, And I remember as a kid growing three choices. Yeah, 1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:21.120 And as a kid growing up, I I hated that 1:48:21.200 --> 1:48:23.200 and I was like, oh frick, like I'm not smart enough. 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:27.800 And I remember, uh, this this actually hit me probably 1:48:27.840 --> 1:48:31.400 about like three or four years ago, and I realized 1:48:31.479 --> 1:48:33.200 what my father is saying, because he would always be like, 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:36.160 I don't want your hands and your knees to hurt 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:37.840 like mine. Because my dad was a carpenter, he was 1:48:37.840 --> 1:48:40.320 a he was a welder, he was a he built homes, 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:41.960 you know, and he goes, I don't want this for you. 1:48:42.040 --> 1:48:43.800 He goes, I take the pain so you would never 1:48:43.920 --> 1:48:46.600 have to. And as a kid you didn't understand that. 1:48:46.640 --> 1:48:51.880 You're like whatever, dad, As an adult like it, like 1:48:52.000 --> 1:48:56.599 he always said. My dad always say, I mean, don't 1:48:56.640 --> 1:48:58.519 be like me. I'm dumb. Yeah, I want you to 1:48:58.600 --> 1:49:00.000 be smarter than me. I want you to be better 1:49:00.240 --> 1:49:02.640 than me. And I get super emotional about this, but 1:49:02.800 --> 1:49:06.880 like I remember I was cooking at this grill out 1:49:06.920 --> 1:49:08.720 and it was huge. It was long day, and my 1:49:08.880 --> 1:49:11.360 hands were all sooted up from the you know, from 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:14.519 cutting all day and from working the fire, and my 1:49:14.680 --> 1:49:17.160 hands are just like tired, and my knees are tired. 1:49:17.280 --> 1:49:19.960 In that moment, I was like, I feel the closest 1:49:20.000 --> 1:49:23.439 to my father, where I'm like I am you and 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:26.880 I want to be you, you know, like like he's 1:49:26.920 --> 1:49:29.479 a great man, he's like a hero, and I'm just 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:32.639 and I get what he was saying, Like I get 1:49:32.680 --> 1:49:34.360 what he was saying. I don't want you to be 1:49:34.520 --> 1:49:36.720 like me because I'm dumb, but I'm like, no, man 1:49:36.840 --> 1:49:40.040 like everything that's good about you, integrity, honor, how to 1:49:40.080 --> 1:49:43.120 be a man like I learned that from you. How 1:49:43.160 --> 1:49:44.960 to but your meat. I learned that from you. I 1:49:45.080 --> 1:49:47.720 want to be like you. And that's why I love 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:50.160 being a cook because and you're like, how can those 1:49:50.200 --> 1:49:50.800 things be bad? 1:49:50.880 --> 1:49:51.040 Damn? 1:49:51.160 --> 1:49:51.360 Yeah? 1:49:51.520 --> 1:49:51.680 Right? 1:49:51.880 --> 1:49:55.640 Yeah, But all he wants is like as any refugee 1:49:55.640 --> 1:49:58.840 and immigrants, like, I want what's better. Like you guys 1:49:58.880 --> 1:50:00.800 are fathers, you get it. You want to set up 1:50:00.800 --> 1:50:03.000 a life that's better for your children that you had. 1:50:03.080 --> 1:50:04.599 You want you don't want them to go through pain 1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:06.720 and struggle. And I get it. And when I was young, 1:50:06.800 --> 1:50:08.479 I was dumb. I didn't get that. I was just 1:50:08.560 --> 1:50:11.960 like what dad doesn't care? Now it's like, yeah, like 1:50:12.840 --> 1:50:15.320 I love working the field with him, I love bringing 1:50:15.360 --> 1:50:16.439 down animals with him, you know. 1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:19.439 You know, I think the a thing that he's probably 1:50:19.520 --> 1:50:25.840 thinking about too, is that like if he knew that 1:50:25.960 --> 1:50:28.040 you could do, if he knew that you could work 1:50:28.080 --> 1:50:30.680 with your hands and and like be around heat and 1:50:30.760 --> 1:50:37.120 struggle but then find some level of security, it would 1:50:37.120 --> 1:50:41.200 have been different. But he's probably associating him. He's associating 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:45.840 labor and struggle with struggle, yeah, and not labor and 1:50:45.920 --> 1:50:48.799 struggle with with some sort of success and security. 1:50:48.920 --> 1:50:49.120 Yeah. 1:50:49.160 --> 1:50:50.960 Because what I'm saying, because you could probably do I 1:50:51.040 --> 1:50:54.760 bet you now. Oh like now he probably looks at 1:50:54.760 --> 1:50:55.960 you and he's probably proud of shit. 1:50:56.200 --> 1:50:57.720 Yeah, you know it was. It was one of these 1:50:57.840 --> 1:51:00.960 things where we did this event and the lieutenant governor 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:02.760 came by and gave me this little award and whatever, 1:51:02.920 --> 1:51:06.000 and it was like, you know whatever. And I remember 1:51:06.120 --> 1:51:07.559 my dad didn't say this, but he said to my mom, 1:51:07.640 --> 1:51:10.760 he said, he said something along the lines of like, 1:51:11.680 --> 1:51:14.800 I live in a world now where my son can 1:51:14.920 --> 1:51:18.040 speak and leaders will listen to him, and like in 1:51:18.160 --> 1:51:22.519 our culture, that's huge, and I and and it's not 1:51:22.640 --> 1:51:24.519 like I don't ever believe that my dad was never 1:51:24.600 --> 1:51:27.720 proud of me, But in that moment he said, I 1:51:27.800 --> 1:51:29.240 think he even said to me, he goes, I'm sorry, 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:30.160 I just didn't know what you do. 1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:33.519 Yeah, you took an unexpected pathway, like you took a 1:51:33.600 --> 1:51:36.280 really unexpected pathway to get to somewhere that made sense 1:51:36.320 --> 1:51:37.800 to him, because what made sense to him was just 1:51:38.400 --> 1:51:41.519 that you that you knew how you were gonna eat, 1:51:41.600 --> 1:51:43.759 You knew how you were gonna take care of yourself, 1:51:43.800 --> 1:51:46.040 you knew how you were not going to struggle and 1:51:46.160 --> 1:51:48.639 not be under someone's thumb, right. 1:51:48.880 --> 1:51:52.120 Yeah, And so it's like it's very different now. But man, 1:51:52.200 --> 1:51:54.519 like I said, you know, and even with Korean and 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:56.720 we were talking our pre production, we were talking about this, 1:51:57.080 --> 1:51:59.840 and I was just like, dude, my life was pretty 1:51:59.840 --> 1:52:02.760 so like it. It is what I do is I 1:52:02.840 --> 1:52:05.920 get to speak on their legacy. So about five years ago, 1:52:05.960 --> 1:52:08.599 my dad had a horrible accident from work, or five 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:11.320 or six years ago, and he was in the ICU 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:14.519 and he fell. He shattered his skull and not doctors 1:52:14.560 --> 1:52:16.360 like we don't know what's gonna happen. And I remember 1:52:16.479 --> 1:52:18.200 I just started his whole food stuff and you know, 1:52:18.240 --> 1:52:20.280 we were getting some you know, some push and people 1:52:20.320 --> 1:52:23.360 were like really excited. And at that point it was like, hey, man, 1:52:23.479 --> 1:52:25.040 like there is this new kid. He's making monk food 1:52:25.080 --> 1:52:28.240 blah blah blah blah whatever. And I remember visiting him 1:52:28.280 --> 1:52:30.000 in the ICU. It's my dad's my hero man like 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:32.599 he's he's a freaking warrior, right, he fought a war 1:52:32.720 --> 1:52:34.840 like he like, I thought to myself. I remember holding 1:52:34.840 --> 1:52:37.120 his hand at the in the intensive carry unit, and 1:52:37.160 --> 1:52:40.200 I just thought to myself, this is not how warriors die. 1:52:40.720 --> 1:52:42.720 This is not how heroes die. They either die on 1:52:42.760 --> 1:52:45.439 the battlefield in a great fight where they die as 1:52:45.479 --> 1:52:48.200 an old man around like all their grandkids and all 1:52:48.200 --> 1:52:50.280 the people around them. Like, they don't die by slipping 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:52.519 on a stupid ladder at work, you know, And and 1:52:52.600 --> 1:52:55.160 and and fracturing their skull on a job that they 1:52:55.160 --> 1:52:57.160 didn't ever need to be in, right, And I was 1:52:57.240 --> 1:52:59.559 so pissed at myself, and I'm like, what the frick, dude. 1:52:59.560 --> 1:53:01.559 And I remember driving back, it was like three hour driving. 1:53:01.880 --> 1:53:04.080 They were in Marshall, Wisconsin at that time, and I 1:53:04.160 --> 1:53:06.599 was driving back to Minneapolis, and I just thought to myself, 1:53:06.640 --> 1:53:08.800 my life's got a change, man, Like I can't. It 1:53:08.800 --> 1:53:10.560 can't be about Oh, we're gonna make this stuff to 1:53:10.600 --> 1:53:12.920 be about mung food. No, man, It's gonna be about 1:53:12.920 --> 1:53:15.240 their legacy. And because we have to. Why do we 1:53:15.320 --> 1:53:17.720 always wait for people to pass away to talk about them, 1:53:17.800 --> 1:53:19.960 to talk about how great they were? You know, like 1:53:20.040 --> 1:53:22.040 why not? Now? Why not when they can see it? 1:53:22.080 --> 1:53:24.640 And so, man, life is pretty simple for me. And 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:26.320 we get to travel the country. We get to make 1:53:26.360 --> 1:53:28.960 food for thousands of people through our restaurant, through events 1:53:29.000 --> 1:53:31.360 we do around the country, where at the end, like 1:53:31.400 --> 1:53:32.960 we talk about mung food. But at the end, I 1:53:33.040 --> 1:53:35.439 can take that story back and I'm like, I want 1:53:35.479 --> 1:53:36.679 you to tell you. I want to tell you guys 1:53:36.680 --> 1:53:38.360 about this legacy that means so much to me and 1:53:38.960 --> 1:53:41.200 and for me, one of the things that I really 1:53:41.240 --> 1:53:43.120 love doing. That's why I think that it really shows 1:53:43.160 --> 1:53:45.840 in hunting, right, And I think in hunting it's about legacy, right. 1:53:45.920 --> 1:53:48.000 It's about like, hey, if there's this piece of land 1:53:48.040 --> 1:53:50.240 that belonged to my great great grandfather that was passed down, 1:53:50.240 --> 1:53:52.040 passed down, we can hunt in it, we can enjoy it, 1:53:52.040 --> 1:53:53.960 our kids kids can enjoy it. And it was one 1:53:53.960 --> 1:53:56.840 of those things where it becomes this initiative of mine. 1:53:56.880 --> 1:53:58.640 You know, my parents have always worked these gardens, and 1:53:58.720 --> 1:54:02.000 there was all the properties always rental, and so it's like, yep, 1:54:02.800 --> 1:54:04.479 one of my goals, I'm gonna buy them a guarden. 1:54:04.479 --> 1:54:06.320 I'm gonna buy them a piece of land that's like 1:54:06.479 --> 1:54:09.040 in their name, the LLC is in their name. Yeah, 1:54:09.240 --> 1:54:11.479 so that before they passed away, before the Lord takes 1:54:11.520 --> 1:54:14.400 them away, like they have a piece of paper that 1:54:14.479 --> 1:54:16.720 says this is yours, you know. And so that's kind 1:54:16.720 --> 1:54:19.760 of another initiative where I'm really passionate about, you know, 1:54:19.920 --> 1:54:21.960 because it's cool. Yeah, that's all they want to do. 1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:24.040 And so yeah, so we again, I get to do 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:25.920 all that. And that's why I get excited about especially 1:54:25.920 --> 1:54:26.840 when we talk about mung food. 1:54:36.680 --> 1:54:39.680 When to get into the food businesses, you have to 1:54:39.720 --> 1:54:42.120 go cook someone else's food before you could do mung food. 1:54:42.200 --> 1:54:43.440 Is just get right into mung food. 1:54:43.520 --> 1:54:46.000 Absolutely. I did not want to cook mung food because 1:54:46.000 --> 1:54:48.360 I was super embarrassed about it. Because I was super embarrassed. 1:54:48.360 --> 1:54:48.760 Oh my gosh. 1:54:48.840 --> 1:54:50.800 Yeah, I was just like, oh, you know, what food 1:54:50.840 --> 1:54:52.680 did you think you had to make to be legitimate. 1:54:53.440 --> 1:54:54.920 I didn't think I either make a certain food. I 1:54:55.000 --> 1:54:56.880 just had to be good at cooking. Yeah, you know, 1:54:56.960 --> 1:54:59.600 I mean, I mean, like cooking is it's basic, right, 1:55:00.360 --> 1:55:02.400 It's like, you know, it's like breaking down an animal. 1:55:02.840 --> 1:55:05.640 If it's a four legged creature, it's they're all basically 1:55:05.760 --> 1:55:07.720 the same kind of you know, they're breaking down those parts. 1:55:08.360 --> 1:55:11.000 So my whole thing was I was decent, Like I 1:55:11.120 --> 1:55:12.960 was never I don't think I was ever a good cook. 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:14.600 I was just fast enough to keep up with the 1:55:14.640 --> 1:55:17.160 tickets that came in. And I was the only one 1:55:17.240 --> 1:55:19.480 I remember started cooking. I was the only one that 1:55:19.800 --> 1:55:21.600 lived like kind of like a straight life, you know. 1:55:21.920 --> 1:55:24.200 So like so my chefs are always like, dude, I 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:26.600 just know that tomorrow you're at seven or at you know, 1:55:27.080 --> 1:55:29.440 on Saturday, at ten am, you're gonna come in and 1:55:29.480 --> 1:55:32.720 you're not gonna be like in jail or hungover or whatever. 1:55:33.120 --> 1:55:36.200 So so they that they're just like And that's what 1:55:36.280 --> 1:55:38.120 I tell any young kid who wants to get into 1:55:38.120 --> 1:55:40.200 food or any kind of work. I'm like, just show up, 1:55:40.520 --> 1:55:43.040 bro if you show up like these kids I got today, See, 1:55:43.160 --> 1:55:45.960 I don't tell you. I just say show up, just 1:55:46.120 --> 1:55:49.080 show up. And you know, my old mentor of mine, 1:55:49.160 --> 1:55:51.800 Mark Brockberg, from college, would always say he used the 1:55:51.800 --> 1:55:56.240 acronym fat, fat, faithful, available, teachable, show up and be faithful, 1:55:56.360 --> 1:55:59.120 available and teachable, you know. And that's just what I did. 1:55:59.280 --> 1:56:01.240 And I was it was like a strategy. It was 1:56:01.360 --> 1:56:03.200 just like all I know how to do, you know? 1:56:03.280 --> 1:56:05.920 And and eventually I just learned and learned and and 1:56:06.080 --> 1:56:09.080 so what my goal is whatever kitchen you want to 1:56:09.120 --> 1:56:12.000 put me in, Like i might not be the best, 1:56:12.280 --> 1:56:14.200 but I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna work hard. I'm 1:56:14.240 --> 1:56:17.000 gonna outwork everyone here, and even if it means like 1:56:17.040 --> 1:56:18.880 I'm the last one out, I'll be the last one out. 1:56:19.080 --> 1:56:21.080 And that was and again, that was something my father 1:56:21.160 --> 1:56:23.000 instilled me, and I just I didn't realize at a 1:56:23.080 --> 1:56:25.160 young age. And now it's just like you know, you 1:56:25.440 --> 1:56:27.680 get all these young chefs who comes in and they're like, oh, 1:56:27.760 --> 1:56:29.560 look at my founder ie. I like, oh yeah, I 1:56:29.560 --> 1:56:31.000 want to start my own YouTube channel. And you're just 1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:33.800 like okay, dude, like go peel like eight thousand pounds 1:56:33.840 --> 1:56:35.200 of potatoes then we'll talk. You know. 1:56:35.360 --> 1:56:37.480 It's just like that was that There's that quote that's 1:56:37.480 --> 1:56:41.600 attributed to one of the guys from Lynyrd Skinner, which 1:56:41.760 --> 1:56:44.240 was learn how to play your guitar and then get sexy. 1:56:45.000 --> 1:56:48.520 Yeah yeah, and restaurant, I just go learn how to 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:50.240 use a knife. And I don't know if you'll ever 1:56:50.280 --> 1:56:51.200 be sexy, but you know. 1:56:53.160 --> 1:56:55.360 So what was the first chance to do? Like how 1:56:55.400 --> 1:56:57.320 did it happen that all sudd you got to start 1:56:57.400 --> 1:57:00.920 doing your uh you know your you're Yeah. 1:57:01.320 --> 1:57:04.200 So I was working through all these different restaurants Minieppois. 1:57:04.200 --> 1:57:06.880 They're incredible restaurants, The chefs were amazing. 1:57:07.200 --> 1:57:07.960 High end places. 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:11.360 Yeah yeah, yep, yep, yep. You know, and and and 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:13.240 I would I had this ability to learn from some 1:57:13.400 --> 1:57:17.360 really really great teams, and then I was like, okay, 1:57:17.560 --> 1:57:19.320 well let's start out with this little pop up. So 1:57:19.360 --> 1:57:20.960 we started like a little pop up and people are 1:57:21.000 --> 1:57:22.160 like what's the pop up? And you're like, I don't know. 1:57:22.360 --> 1:57:24.520 Just come in on Friday and you were open for 1:57:24.600 --> 1:57:27.880 five hours and just eat. So we did that and 1:57:27.960 --> 1:57:30.720 then we're like, I don't know, and who was showing up? 1:57:31.840 --> 1:57:34.040 Mong people? Yeah, so long people. Here here's the thing. 1:57:34.080 --> 1:57:35.520 There's a you know how, there's like they don't mind 1:57:35.560 --> 1:57:37.520 throwing down some box on food. 1:57:37.640 --> 1:57:41.760 Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. You know how, 1:57:41.800 --> 1:57:45.600 there's black Twitter. There's munk Facebook. Okay, I didn't know. 1:57:45.840 --> 1:57:48.400 I don't know about Okay, Well yeah there's black Twitter 1:57:48.480 --> 1:57:51.320 and there's munk Facebook. And let me tell you the 1:57:51.400 --> 1:57:53.400 thing with our community, it's a big community, but it's 1:57:53.400 --> 1:57:55.320 a small community. Yeah. Know's what I'm talking about. If 1:57:55.480 --> 1:57:57.760 some if one of the if one of your sons 1:57:57.840 --> 1:58:00.920 went and wronged like some other girl from another clan, 1:58:01.080 --> 1:58:05.560 like trust me, his picture will be up. Everybody's gonna know. 1:58:06.080 --> 1:58:07.800 You know, they're like, oh we know what clan he's 1:58:07.840 --> 1:58:09.640 come from. Oh we know what village he lives in, 1:58:09.760 --> 1:58:11.240 or what town he's from. Oh yeah, we know his 1:58:11.360 --> 1:58:14.400 cousins like you will be ratted out so fast in there. 1:58:14.440 --> 1:58:16.600 So there's munk Facebook. Now as much as. 1:58:16.720 --> 1:58:18.320 Apparently it works for you and against you. 1:58:18.560 --> 1:58:21.560 Absolutely. So somehow on Munk Facebook said hey, there's this 1:58:21.680 --> 1:58:23.680 new kid that's doing like mungk food in East Ie, 1:58:23.680 --> 1:58:25.600 Saint Paul in this little place called cook Saint Paul. 1:58:26.000 --> 1:58:28.360 My buddy owned this place. It was as a diner, 1:58:28.440 --> 1:58:30.480 so it was opened in the you know, breakfast and lunch, 1:58:30.480 --> 1:58:31.760 and it was evening was closed and then. 1:58:31.960 --> 1:58:33.280 Friday he took over the evenings. 1:58:33.440 --> 1:58:36.000 Yeah, once a month, that was it. And I still 1:58:36.080 --> 1:58:39.000 and then at that time, I was still from Mon Monday, 1:58:39.520 --> 1:58:41.920 you know, from Sunday to Thursday, I was working at 1:58:42.000 --> 1:58:44.600 Coastal Seafoods. I was a fishmonger, you know, because like 1:58:44.640 --> 1:58:45.960 I did the birchery stuff and I'm like I want 1:58:45.960 --> 1:58:47.760 to learn more about fish. So like I would do fish. 1:58:47.800 --> 1:58:50.440 I smell like fish all day. And then Friday Saturday, 1:58:50.560 --> 1:58:53.080 once once a month, we would do these little pop ups. 1:58:53.400 --> 1:58:55.880 And I never wanted to be the kid who said, 1:58:55.880 --> 1:58:57.280 oh yeah, I want to go to our own business 1:58:57.280 --> 1:58:58.480 like people like, you know right now you have all 1:58:58.520 --> 1:59:01.400 these like how to be an entrepreneur, Like that's not 1:59:01.520 --> 1:59:03.840 man Like this is so dumb, you know. And then 1:59:03.920 --> 1:59:07.520 eventually we were very blessed to have a few media 1:59:07.560 --> 1:59:09.200 people pick up on it and said, hey, let's talk 1:59:09.200 --> 1:59:12.040 about this, you know, and and and then yeah, that 1:59:12.160 --> 1:59:13.200 was like seven years ago. 1:59:13.520 --> 1:59:15.760 But when you first did the pop up you had, 1:59:16.200 --> 1:59:19.160 it was Mung coming. Yes, we had at some point, 1:59:19.600 --> 1:59:23.000 but it's so just organically caught out with people who 1:59:23.080 --> 1:59:24.280 just wanted to try new things. 1:59:24.440 --> 1:59:27.560 Well, in the Twin Cities, Mung are really well known, 1:59:27.640 --> 1:59:29.720 you know, so we have a few big shops in there, 1:59:29.800 --> 1:59:31.960 so people they are likely to know. Oh yeah, I mean, 1:59:32.160 --> 1:59:33.880 you know, seventy five thousand in the metro we are 1:59:33.920 --> 1:59:38.960 the you know, largest uh bipod group you know in 1:59:39.040 --> 1:59:41.240 the Twin City. So like there, I mean it's Mung 1:59:41.360 --> 1:59:44.640 and Somalians, you know, and so it's it's huge. Uh 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:47.360 So what happened was, you know, we had some Mong 1:59:47.440 --> 1:59:50.320 people came. But then like and this was a while back, 1:59:50.400 --> 1:59:53.840 and this was the beginning. How do I see this? 1:59:54.120 --> 1:59:58.440 I have this like love hate with quote unquote food influencers, 1:59:58.520 --> 2:00:00.320 you know. Yeah, and and so this this was the 2:00:00.400 --> 2:00:05.360 beginning of like Instagram food influencing or like quote unquote foodie. 2:00:05.560 --> 2:00:08.360 When people say foodie, I'm just like everyone's a foodie. 2:00:08.360 --> 2:00:11.000 You eat food right there, your foodie just chill. 2:00:11.160 --> 2:00:11.280 Right. 2:00:12.480 --> 2:00:15.120 It's a concept that's kind of dying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:17.240 but you know, real excited about it for a while though, 2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:18.280 absolutely right. 2:00:18.360 --> 2:00:21.880 And so we had a few who were just really 2:00:21.920 --> 2:00:24.200 gracious and they were like, hey, we really love what 2:00:24.280 --> 2:00:26.000 you're doing. So we're just like so they just kept 2:00:26.000 --> 2:00:28.680 following us around, they just kept putting social media is like, hey, 2:00:28.760 --> 2:00:30.880 like Union Munk Kitchen's here, Union Mounkitchen. I was so 2:00:30.960 --> 2:00:32.640 embarrassed of being mung in the beginning too, bro, Like, 2:00:32.680 --> 2:00:34.600 I'll be honest here with you guys. Is it was 2:00:34.640 --> 2:00:36.320 called Union Kitchen. I didn't want to put the word 2:00:36.360 --> 2:00:38.240 mung in there because I didn't want white people to 2:00:38.400 --> 2:00:40.640 be deterred, right. And I had a buddy who was 2:00:40.640 --> 2:00:42.160 a PR guy who works for a big PR firm, 2:00:42.200 --> 2:00:44.200 and he goes, dude, don't be a chicken man. He's 2:00:44.200 --> 2:00:45.840 a white dude, r white Jewish dude. He goes, put 2:00:45.880 --> 2:00:47.920 the word mung on it. I'm like, really, like, is 2:00:48.000 --> 2:00:50.080 do you think he's like do it? And so for 2:00:50.160 --> 2:00:52.840 the first like year, was just Union Kitchen, Union kitchen, 2:00:53.200 --> 2:00:55.640 you know, And and and I we changed it to 2:00:55.760 --> 2:00:57.880 Union Munk Kitchen and people were like, yeah, like this 2:00:58.080 --> 2:01:00.560 is amazing, you know, and so like I I still 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:02.360 went on my own little journey of like I don't 2:01:02.400 --> 2:01:04.640 know if people are gonna like this. And again we 2:01:04.720 --> 2:01:06.960 were very blessed. And then after a while there was 2:01:07.160 --> 2:01:10.000 like different you know, stuff came in and you know, 2:01:10.200 --> 2:01:13.760 we were just like hopping. We eventually got this little 2:01:13.760 --> 2:01:16.120 food trailer at a brewery that we did food out of. 2:01:16.600 --> 2:01:20.760 But what really helped us was no joke the catering world, 2:01:21.560 --> 2:01:25.120 like catering weddings we killed. We catered by mitzvahs and 2:01:25.160 --> 2:01:29.440 bar mitzvahs. That was so awesome, Like this is what 2:01:29.520 --> 2:01:31.320 I talk about. We always say about food is a 2:01:31.400 --> 2:01:33.600 universal language we can use to speak to each other. Right, 2:01:34.040 --> 2:01:35.600 it's amazing. I mean I think it's what I love 2:01:36.040 --> 2:01:37.640 what you guys do where it's like we're not just 2:01:37.720 --> 2:01:39.680 only hunting animal, but but we we cook it together. 2:01:39.720 --> 2:01:41.240 And it's just just like, oh, I might not be 2:01:41.320 --> 2:01:43.040 like into the hunting scene, but the cooking things, like dude, 2:01:43.040 --> 2:01:44.960 that's really cool. Like food has this ability to bring 2:01:45.080 --> 2:01:48.240 everybody together. And so we got a call in this 2:01:49.160 --> 2:01:51.640 uh this person was like you know, the Saint Paul 2:01:51.680 --> 2:01:53.680 Mayer like the I think they were like they knew 2:01:53.720 --> 2:01:56.120 the mayor of Saint Paul or something. Then they're like, hey, 2:01:56.360 --> 2:01:58.800 my I have a bum mitzvah coming up. And we 2:01:58.880 --> 2:02:01.040 were like we can't do pork obviously, but we'll do 2:02:01.120 --> 2:02:04.160 everything else. So we're like okay, and so we catered 2:02:04.200 --> 2:02:07.160 like abuvements and then then through the like the Jewish community, 2:02:07.200 --> 2:02:10.440 they heard about it, and then another Jewish family's like, yeah, 2:02:10.800 --> 2:02:13.160 can we do a barmitzvah for us? I'm like sure, 2:02:13.880 --> 2:02:15.280 you know, and we were in a synagogue. 2:02:15.360 --> 2:02:18.720 We were like a nationless nationless people bring them up. 2:02:18.960 --> 2:02:22.240 Yeah, Like I'm like, we are kind of weird cousins. 2:02:22.320 --> 2:02:25.200 Let's do this. You know, you lost bought you guys. 2:02:25.240 --> 2:02:29.400 Don't do pork, we do beef. What's yeah. Yeah. We 2:02:29.880 --> 2:02:32.280 even had the inquiries for kinsias too, and like, I 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:34.560 kid you not. And that's kind of where we were. 2:02:34.640 --> 2:02:38.320 And it was we went from like like women's prayer group, 2:02:38.480 --> 2:02:42.520 brunches from Lutheran churches, I kid you not, gentlemen making 2:02:42.680 --> 2:02:45.360 Kish and French toast. I'm like, okay, I'm down. You know, 2:02:45.800 --> 2:02:47.480 this was like a wild back where it's like four 2:02:47.600 --> 2:02:49.680 hundred bucks. Yes, that's gold. Let's do it. 2:02:49.840 --> 2:02:49.960 You know. 2:02:50.400 --> 2:02:52.560 We went from that bum mitswell barments for us, and 2:02:52.560 --> 2:02:55.880 then we had big events and then Melvin Carter, who 2:02:55.960 --> 2:02:59.840 is the first African American mayor in UH Saint Paul 2:03:00.200 --> 2:03:02.600 when he won and he had his big bash party, 2:03:02.600 --> 2:03:03.880 they called us and say, hey, we love you, come 2:03:03.920 --> 2:03:07.480 and do the food. And so we like the catering 2:03:07.560 --> 2:03:09.640 and the private catering scene where you know where y'all 2:03:09.640 --> 2:03:11.920 I was talking about, like that's kind of where we started, 2:03:12.280 --> 2:03:15.040 you know, and that's kind of it wasn't because people 2:03:15.040 --> 2:03:17.160 always asking me like who's your marketing person? Like where 2:03:17.200 --> 2:03:18.960 did you guys go to do? I'm like, bro, Like 2:03:19.240 --> 2:03:23.120 I went from door to door catering events. I would 2:03:23.200 --> 2:03:27.160 go all the time, and I felt like a what's 2:03:27.760 --> 2:03:30.040 you know? My joke was, I felt like a like 2:03:30.320 --> 2:03:32.200 a lady of the night, you know, like you would 2:03:32.240 --> 2:03:35.000 go in and do something special for the client and 2:03:35.160 --> 2:03:37.240 they tell their friends and then I get a call 2:03:37.320 --> 2:03:39.680 next time, goes, hey, the Johnson's call, So you did 2:03:39.720 --> 2:03:41.280 that special thing for them? Like can you do that? 2:03:41.360 --> 2:03:43.240 I'm like, well, what's the budget? And they'll give me 2:03:43.240 --> 2:03:45.000 the budget. I'm like, well, the Johnson's gave me a 2:03:45.040 --> 2:03:46.520 little more like I will take care of you. And 2:03:46.560 --> 2:03:49.160 then you go in and you carry like a few suitcases. 2:03:49.200 --> 2:03:50.880 You come and where do I set up? And you know, 2:03:50.960 --> 2:03:53.080 you do your thing, and then you leave and you 2:03:53.320 --> 2:03:54.840 pay it and you shower and you feel better the 2:03:54.880 --> 2:03:57.160 next day. It kind of you, you know. That's how 2:03:57.240 --> 2:03:59.240 we started. And I even went I did like a 2:03:59.360 --> 2:04:02.000 bachelortte parties too, Like that was one of the weirdest 2:04:02.040 --> 2:04:04.840 one where I did like a private dining cooking scene 2:04:04.880 --> 2:04:06.320 for for but I did know what it was a 2:04:06.360 --> 2:04:08.840 bachelrett party. I walked in like literally I had like 2:04:09.400 --> 2:04:11.080 a few boxes of like the food and stuff. I 2:04:11.120 --> 2:04:13.360 walked in and it's just all women. I'm like, what's 2:04:13.400 --> 2:04:15.000 going on. They're like, oh, yeah, I didn't tell you. 2:04:15.040 --> 2:04:17.560 This is my sister's batchelete party and we wanted you 2:04:17.640 --> 2:04:19.440 to do like a private dinner. And I'm like, oh 2:04:19.480 --> 2:04:22.040 my gosh, Like you guys know, I'm like a cook 2:04:22.120 --> 2:04:27.600 right in the cloth, yeah, the aprons covering everything. Okay, 2:04:28.720 --> 2:04:30.160 I could do the shirt off, but that's gonna be 2:04:30.160 --> 2:04:32.520 a little extra, you know. So that's how we hustled, 2:04:32.600 --> 2:04:35.440 and then we were very blessed. The restaurant grew. Uh 2:04:35.520 --> 2:04:37.120 you know, we we we brought in more people. We 2:04:37.200 --> 2:04:40.200 have incredible operators, we have you know, our you know, 2:04:40.280 --> 2:04:43.040 we had, we grew an executive team. And then when 2:04:43.120 --> 2:04:44.920 it came time to saying, hey, how do we grow? 2:04:45.000 --> 2:04:47.120 I think one of the next growth path was how 2:04:47.160 --> 2:04:49.800 do we expand and build our own restaurant, you know, 2:04:49.920 --> 2:04:52.560 going our own brick and mortar restaurant that is, and 2:04:52.600 --> 2:04:54.360 you know, we have two little guys, but get our 2:04:54.400 --> 2:04:56.800 big guy. We you know, I had to go do 2:04:56.880 --> 2:04:59.680 the song song and pony dance and go to banks 2:04:59.720 --> 2:05:02.800 and find investors. And then that's when it's a gut 2:05:02.880 --> 2:05:05.920 check at you know, of like do you really believe 2:05:06.000 --> 2:05:08.320 in what you're doing? Since when you stand in front, 2:05:08.360 --> 2:05:09.839 like when you go sit with some of these investors 2:05:09.920 --> 2:05:12.160 or potential investors who like write like one hundred fifty 2:05:12.200 --> 2:05:13.880 thousand dollars checks, like you know, they're giving them out 2:05:13.880 --> 2:05:16.760 five bucks for you know, Starbucks or something. You gotta 2:05:16.960 --> 2:05:20.000 like they look at you're like woomy, and you end's 2:05:20.040 --> 2:05:21.920 a gut check of like do you believe in this? 2:05:22.040 --> 2:05:22.440 Do you like? 2:05:22.680 --> 2:05:24.680 It's like yeah, you know, and I said I said 2:05:24.680 --> 2:05:26.120 to uh, I get to talk to a lot among 2:05:26.320 --> 2:05:29.160 high school kids, and I said, in life, you're gonna 2:05:29.160 --> 2:05:31.840 go around in life and there's gonna be these people 2:05:31.840 --> 2:05:33.160 in your life and they're gonna believe in you. They're 2:05:33.160 --> 2:05:34.880 gonna tell you incredible things about yourself. And I'm like, 2:05:34.960 --> 2:05:36.960 think of that as equity, and you put in a 2:05:37.000 --> 2:05:40.280 little piggy bank in your heart and one day there's 2:05:40.280 --> 2:05:41.840 gonna come a moment in your life you gotta break 2:05:41.960 --> 2:05:43.720 that piggy bank and take all that equity and you 2:05:43.720 --> 2:05:46.240 gotta go betting on yourself. Yeah, And that I mean 2:05:46.320 --> 2:05:48.160 that was was like the herd. Like the hardest thing 2:05:48.360 --> 2:05:50.920 was to go and say, oh, this building project is 2:05:50.960 --> 2:05:53.680 a million dollar project and so okay, okay, we gotta go. 2:05:53.760 --> 2:05:55.360 We gotta talk. And when you get in these rooms 2:05:55.440 --> 2:05:57.800 or these guys who are making million dollar deals for 2:05:57.840 --> 2:05:58.720 them or like nothing. 2:05:58.480 --> 2:06:00.240 You'll find out if you're weak or not. 2:06:00.480 --> 2:06:02.680 Yes, And that's when you go, do I believe? And 2:06:02.800 --> 2:06:05.160 that's you know what I draw from. I don't draw 2:06:05.240 --> 2:06:07.760 from yea as confident. I draw from Mom and Dad, 2:06:07.880 --> 2:06:10.920 Like I remember, I think about them, I think about 2:06:10.960 --> 2:06:12.480 all the hard work they put in, Like I think 2:06:12.480 --> 2:06:15.120 about the war. My dad fought. I think about my 2:06:15.440 --> 2:06:17.960 mom being in that war prison camp for a year 2:06:18.720 --> 2:06:22.840 and where she told me that she would pray every 2:06:22.920 --> 2:06:25.720 morning that God would allow her to die because it 2:06:25.880 --> 2:06:28.960 was so horrible in that camp that they had to 2:06:29.000 --> 2:06:32.920 live in. And she said that one day, she said 2:06:32.960 --> 2:06:34.760 that one day I was praying in the morning, she 2:06:34.800 --> 2:06:37.160 said she was this younger. I was praying and I said, God, 2:06:37.200 --> 2:06:39.200 will you let me die today because I can't take 2:06:39.240 --> 2:06:41.400 life here anymore. And she said there was a voice 2:06:41.400 --> 2:06:43.240 inside my heart that says, I can't let you die 2:06:43.720 --> 2:06:45.960 because your children is going to change the world. I 2:06:46.120 --> 2:06:47.760 need you to hold on a little longer because your 2:06:47.840 --> 2:06:50.240 children that you've never met, they're going to change word. 2:06:50.960 --> 2:06:53.839 In the day that I was announced as a folence 2:06:53.880 --> 2:06:56.560 for the James Beard, she called me and told me 2:06:56.640 --> 2:06:59.840 that story. Oh man, I'm crying, you know, on. 2:07:00.120 --> 2:07:00.880 A frying panel. 2:07:01.000 --> 2:07:06.560 Yeah, yeah, gift from God. She kind of just said today, 2:07:06.560 --> 2:07:08.400 when I heard that you were nominated is one of 2:07:08.400 --> 2:07:11.120 the best chefs in the country, I knew why, like 2:07:11.680 --> 2:07:13.880 I needed to keep moving on. So I think about 2:07:14.280 --> 2:07:19.120 I can't wait to see what your brother does. Yeah, 2:07:19.200 --> 2:07:21.680 you could contest this man. You can be the most 2:07:21.720 --> 2:07:24.240 successful whatever in your family. But when you're around your 2:07:24.320 --> 2:07:27.080 uncle's man, they remind you you're ten years old. When 2:07:27.400 --> 2:07:29.720 I freaking when we have like big parties and grills 2:07:29.760 --> 2:07:31.680 and I'm standing by my uncles and they're grilling, They're like, 2:07:31.800 --> 2:07:33.080 let me tell you, kid, how you would do this, 2:07:33.560 --> 2:07:35.360 and I'm like, you know what I end up doing. 2:07:35.440 --> 2:07:36.960 I end up being coming to the dude who holds 2:07:37.000 --> 2:07:38.960 the plate for all them to put the me on. 2:07:39.360 --> 2:07:41.040 And they're all like, let me tell you if you 2:07:41.080 --> 2:07:43.120 want more people in your restaurant, this is what you do. 2:07:43.680 --> 2:07:46.040 And I'm like, I'm I just want to be like, uncle, 2:07:46.080 --> 2:07:49.560 you're here's the deal man you work at like Anderson Windows. Okay, 2:07:49.760 --> 2:07:52.280 I know where you work at. The plant You've don't 2:07:52.280 --> 2:07:56.280 really cooked, but apparently the country has said, I'm pretty 2:07:56.320 --> 2:07:58.440 decent in what I do. But sure, I'm pretty sure 2:07:58.440 --> 2:08:00.280 you have a secret, you know, so you know? 2:08:00.400 --> 2:08:03.760 So, yeah, we can't really overcome the age and the wisdom. 2:08:05.120 --> 2:08:05.560 High prior. 2:08:06.640 --> 2:08:08.760 They make sure they remind you who you are. You 2:08:08.840 --> 2:08:11.360 get reminded, yeah, oh remember when you were five, And 2:08:11.400 --> 2:08:13.720 I'm like, you guys are gonna do that to your nephews. No, 2:08:14.040 --> 2:08:16.320 I will not do you know what well I I 2:08:16.480 --> 2:08:17.320 do because. 2:08:18.400 --> 2:08:21.520 Maybe don't make the mistake of I see people this 2:08:21.640 --> 2:08:24.720 is not this is not like cultural, that's just human human. 2:08:25.440 --> 2:08:32.000 I see people all the time throw out because because 2:08:32.040 --> 2:08:35.040 of not liking something about their parents or how they 2:08:35.080 --> 2:08:37.880 were brought up. They throw the whole thing out. 2:08:37.960 --> 2:08:39.240 I completely understand. 2:08:39.160 --> 2:08:40.840 Instead of just doing a slight tweak. 2:08:41.120 --> 2:08:43.320 Yep, No, I do the same thing. Like my niece 2:08:43.360 --> 2:08:45.120 and nephew. They work out the stay Fair. We have 2:08:45.200 --> 2:08:47.560 a stall to stay Fair in this year. They work 2:08:47.600 --> 2:08:49.040 there and they're from Wisconsin. So they come up and 2:08:49.080 --> 2:08:50.520 they stay up with grandma and grandpa for a week 2:08:50.520 --> 2:08:52.160 and they worked there for two weeks and they work there. 2:08:52.440 --> 2:08:55.480 And I remember I was like harsher on them than 2:08:55.520 --> 2:08:57.240 the other kids, you know, because I was like, dude, 2:08:57.400 --> 2:08:59.240 you guys need a double time, like let's go. And 2:08:59.320 --> 2:09:01.320 I realized I'm like, oh, dude, I sound like my father, 2:09:01.480 --> 2:09:03.400 like like when we're working, you know, he's just like, hey, 2:09:03.600 --> 2:09:05.200 like I need you to, you know, keep working at it. 2:09:05.760 --> 2:09:10.400 And I believe in allowing kids to struggle a little bit, 2:09:10.440 --> 2:09:12.280 you know when they're working, you know, because I really 2:09:12.320 --> 2:09:14.120 want to be like, where's the creativity to you know, 2:09:14.440 --> 2:09:15.880 figure things out. And I think we worked out with 2:09:15.960 --> 2:09:17.760 our chefs too, you know, like allow them a little 2:09:17.960 --> 2:09:20.440 a little line to struggle. 2:09:20.560 --> 2:09:23.640 You know. Yeah, I'm way more like, I'm way more 2:09:24.480 --> 2:09:27.120 financially comfortable than I ever thought I would be. And 2:09:27.200 --> 2:09:30.600 I worry constantly about my kids being too soft all 2:09:30.680 --> 2:09:31.040 the time. 2:09:31.120 --> 2:09:31.280 Man. 2:09:31.360 --> 2:09:34.760 You know it's like, yeah, you wound up over not 2:09:34.920 --> 2:09:37.120 overdoing it, but you just worry about them being like 2:09:37.280 --> 2:09:38.480 do you have the ger? 2:09:38.760 --> 2:09:38.920 You know? 2:09:38.960 --> 2:09:40.640 Am I like depriving you of the ger? 2:09:41.080 --> 2:09:41.280 Yeah. 2:09:41.320 --> 2:09:44.040 It's a weird thing that it's like this first world 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:46.920 problem that you had to think about because when you're 2:09:47.720 --> 2:09:51.240 you know, your dad, he didn't think any other way 2:09:51.360 --> 2:09:53.480 other than like, I don't want my kid to struggle 2:09:53.560 --> 2:09:55.200 the way I did. I need to find him a 2:09:55.240 --> 2:09:58.400 better place. We grew up in a place where life 2:09:58.520 --> 2:10:01.840 was pretty darn easy in our circumstances, I believe, you know, 2:10:01.920 --> 2:10:03.480 speaking from you know, most of. 2:10:03.560 --> 2:10:07.040 Us relative from a global perspective exactly. 2:10:07.720 --> 2:10:10.120 So you have to then think about how are you 2:10:10.240 --> 2:10:12.720 going to instill that to your kid because they're not 2:10:13.160 --> 2:10:15.879 seeing a struggle like the way you saw your dad struggle. 2:10:16.040 --> 2:10:19.520 You know. Yeah, but I also think too that one 2:10:19.560 --> 2:10:21.480 of the things that I love, like one of the 2:10:21.600 --> 2:10:23.320 things I get to do I love to do is 2:10:23.400 --> 2:10:26.000 there's a lot of high schools up in the Twin 2:10:26.040 --> 2:10:27.840 Cities area that are, like, you know, they have a 2:10:27.920 --> 2:10:30.400 higher population of monk kids. And so I get asked 2:10:30.440 --> 2:10:32.680 to come in as a speaker, and I and I 2:10:33.600 --> 2:10:36.600 the thing that I love doing is like I love 2:10:36.680 --> 2:10:38.880 looking them in the eyes. Where it's like a big auditorums, 2:10:38.880 --> 2:10:40.240 like three hundred kids and you see the group of 2:10:40.320 --> 2:10:42.160 like fifty monk kids, and I look them in the 2:10:42.200 --> 2:10:44.920 eyes and I said, hey, guys, like I'm like to 2:10:45.080 --> 2:10:47.560 all my like white brothers and sisters and friends out there, 2:10:47.600 --> 2:10:49.240 like I'm gonna put you guys on pause. So I'm 2:10:49.240 --> 2:10:52.120 just talking directly to among brothers and sisters, and I say, 2:10:52.800 --> 2:10:57.200 here's the deal. Your your grandfather and your father's they 2:10:57.280 --> 2:10:59.920 fought a war, and they they they fought a war 2:11:00.040 --> 2:11:02.320 that wasn't their war, but they fought it with honor. 2:11:03.040 --> 2:11:05.520 And then when a promise was made that they would 2:11:05.560 --> 2:11:08.240 have free passage to America for fighting for America, it 2:11:08.360 --> 2:11:10.480 was denying for them. They still got to America and 2:11:10.520 --> 2:11:12.680 they worked here and they worked for years and years 2:11:12.720 --> 2:11:14.960 and years to get you where you are. And so 2:11:16.000 --> 2:11:18.640 anytime you feel like you can't do something, or anytime 2:11:18.680 --> 2:11:20.480 you feel like, oh, I don't think I'm like strong enough, 2:11:20.960 --> 2:11:22.800 you remember that the blood that pumps through their vein 2:11:22.880 --> 2:11:25.120 is the same blood that pumps through your heart, you know, 2:11:25.360 --> 2:11:27.120 And to remember, I mean, I think that that's one 2:11:27.120 --> 2:11:29.160 of the biggest thing is like remember where you come from. 2:11:29.840 --> 2:11:34.360 And for me, that was a big big part of Look, man, 2:11:34.360 --> 2:11:38.000 the restaurant industry isn't easy. It sucks, you know. And 2:11:38.120 --> 2:11:40.640 I was explaining to one of our one of our 2:11:40.720 --> 2:11:42.600 workers or you know, one of the kids that work 2:11:42.640 --> 2:11:46.000 with us, about how for the restaurant the profit margin 2:11:46.120 --> 2:11:49.080 is like eight percent and if you're a really good year, 2:11:49.200 --> 2:11:50.960 you get ten, you know, and that's like a really 2:11:50.960 --> 2:11:52.520 good year. And she was like, what what do you 2:11:52.600 --> 2:11:54.320 mean by that. I'm like, so, imagine if you did 2:11:54.400 --> 2:11:56.200 something and you got one hundred dollars and all I 2:11:56.280 --> 2:11:58.120 said is you can only keep eight dollars. And she's 2:11:58.120 --> 2:12:01.000 like that sucks. I'm like, yeah, that's the restaurant. And 2:12:01.120 --> 2:12:03.240 it hit her. She was like a younger college kid 2:12:03.240 --> 2:12:05.600 and she's like, oh my gosh, really I'm like, yeah, 2:12:06.160 --> 2:12:06.800 you know, and. 2:12:07.040 --> 2:12:09.360 So so You're like, so, now let's circle back to 2:12:09.440 --> 2:12:11.720 the fact that you threw that shanks and trash. 2:12:11.880 --> 2:12:12.080 Yeah. 2:12:12.880 --> 2:12:15.840 It's like it's like or I get people there like, oh, 2:12:16.360 --> 2:12:18.160 it's it's so amazing what you do. I get young 2:12:18.240 --> 2:12:20.320 monk kids that come up bless their heart, like I 2:12:20.360 --> 2:12:21.960 want to be a chef, and I'm like, and I 2:12:22.080 --> 2:12:23.720 do the Billy Madison scene, you know, where you like 2:12:23.760 --> 2:12:26.480 you squeeze your face, you know, talking about where you're like, 2:12:26.960 --> 2:12:30.320 don't say that, stay where you are. Never grow up, Billy. 2:12:30.360 --> 2:12:32.080 I want to go to high school too, you know. 2:12:32.360 --> 2:12:35.280 And and that's how I feel. But then again, there 2:12:35.360 --> 2:12:37.640 is this thing of like, man, there's just something about 2:12:37.680 --> 2:12:40.160 the grind and the grit that happens in my heart 2:12:40.200 --> 2:12:42.280 and especially and that's what one of the things I 2:12:42.360 --> 2:12:43.840 love about being Mung and being able to talk to 2:12:43.880 --> 2:12:45.880 younger monk kids where it's like you're gonna struggle, it's 2:12:45.920 --> 2:12:47.120 gonna sock your mate. 2:12:47.160 --> 2:12:50.000 Yeah, it's American elbow grease, dude, but yeah it's mung 2:12:50.120 --> 2:12:50.720 elbow grease. 2:12:50.800 --> 2:12:52.960 Yeah. And I don't And that's my big thing. Man. 2:12:53.120 --> 2:12:54.720 I love talking to people about it where I'm like, 2:12:54.840 --> 2:12:57.560 this isn't among thing only, this is a human thing. 2:12:58.200 --> 2:13:00.560 This is a human thing. Like yeah, you're parents did 2:13:00.600 --> 2:13:03.440 great things, universal human thing. Yeah, but yeah, but it's 2:13:03.480 --> 2:13:07.480 select few. Yeah, but you know, but even what was saying, 2:13:07.520 --> 2:13:09.000 how like how you guys are just like, hey, you 2:13:09.200 --> 2:13:11.080 you guys, you know your parents set you up for 2:13:11.160 --> 2:13:13.320 a little bit better, you know, but you guys still 2:13:13.440 --> 2:13:15.840 worked hard where you are. It wasn't like Okay, now 2:13:15.920 --> 2:13:17.680 I'm just gonna play with all this like no, like 2:13:17.760 --> 2:13:19.920 you guys worked and then being able to pass that 2:13:20.040 --> 2:13:22.480 down too, you know, and I think that man, like 2:13:22.600 --> 2:13:24.360 we got a little more like yeah, and I we 2:13:24.400 --> 2:13:26.000 got a little bit more you know, heads up and 2:13:26.080 --> 2:13:28.120 more step up, you know from where our parents are. 2:13:28.200 --> 2:13:30.400 And you know, I don't have any kids, but one day, 2:13:30.560 --> 2:13:33.080 you know, when I do, like my kids will have 2:13:33.240 --> 2:13:35.880 a little bit thirty nine married. 2:13:36.280 --> 2:13:37.440 Now what's going on there? 2:13:38.000 --> 2:13:38.160 Man? 2:13:38.480 --> 2:13:40.200 Is that? Like is your mom and dad bummed about that? 2:13:40.400 --> 2:13:46.200 Bro'? That's a whole new surely one. I'm the only 2:13:46.280 --> 2:13:49.160 one in my family that's not married. Everyone's married and 2:13:49.240 --> 2:13:51.800 has kids. My parents have twenty one grandkids. So they 2:13:51.840 --> 2:13:54.360 love it, you know. They they love being grandparents. 2:13:54.000 --> 2:13:55.800 Tell tell them I'm too busy making you proud. 2:13:56.720 --> 2:13:56.840 Right. 2:13:57.000 --> 2:13:59.440 But in our culture, though, what what makes family, probably 2:13:59.480 --> 2:14:02.760 the culture is raising a family, having a family, having lineage, 2:14:02.800 --> 2:14:03.560 having you know. 2:14:03.840 --> 2:14:03.880 So. 2:14:04.000 --> 2:14:06.800 So that's that every three to four weeks, my mom 2:14:06.880 --> 2:14:09.760 gives me the talk. I get it, and I don't. 2:14:09.840 --> 2:14:11.680 I don't push it away. I know that she gets 2:14:11.720 --> 2:14:13.120 to this point where she's a little older now, so 2:14:13.200 --> 2:14:15.520 she's nervous, like I want to instill everything I have 2:14:15.760 --> 2:14:17.880 to you if something was to happen when she had 2:14:17.920 --> 2:14:19.800 some health scare, you know. And so I get it. 2:14:19.880 --> 2:14:22.120 I listen to it. It's about a twenty minute speech. 2:14:22.280 --> 2:14:24.600 It's the same it's usually on a phone call. I'm 2:14:24.680 --> 2:14:27.520 driving into work. It's the same one she gives every 2:14:27.720 --> 2:14:30.840 three to four weeks. And I listen and I say, yes, mom, 2:14:30.960 --> 2:14:33.720 mm hmm, yep, yep, great. And then sometimes she'll be like, wait, 2:14:33.840 --> 2:14:35.520 we have some cousins, we have some daughters that are 2:14:35.520 --> 2:14:37.720 coming to visit from Michigan. They're at the house, like 2:14:37.960 --> 2:14:39.840 your dad and I would love some fish. She'll bring 2:14:39.920 --> 2:14:42.040 some fish over and I'm like, I know what you're doing, 2:14:42.600 --> 2:14:44.240 you know, and stuff like that. But I mean, I 2:14:44.240 --> 2:14:45.720 get it. It comes from a good heart, you know, 2:14:45.960 --> 2:14:47.160 both of them. It comes to your good heart, and 2:14:47.280 --> 2:14:48.120 so I totally get it. 2:14:48.640 --> 2:14:52.760 Oh, tell us before we wrap up, tell us about 2:14:52.800 --> 2:14:53.280 your show. 2:14:53.680 --> 2:14:56.040 Yeah, you know, we got this show called Farah. It's 2:14:56.120 --> 2:14:58.280 an outdoor you guys might have heard that channel. 2:14:58.720 --> 2:14:59.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2:15:00.640 --> 2:15:03.040 And you know, one of the craziest things was about 2:15:03.040 --> 2:15:04.960 two and a half years ago, Patrick, one of the producers, 2:15:05.000 --> 2:15:06.280 came up and goes, hey, I have an idea, bro. 2:15:06.760 --> 2:15:08.440 And he calls me up and we've been doing a 2:15:08.560 --> 2:15:10.520 few TV stuff for like Food Network, and then we 2:15:10.640 --> 2:15:12.080 were very blessed to be able to do this thing 2:15:12.200 --> 2:15:14.920 with Netflix with Iron Chef, and so he's like, I 2:15:14.960 --> 2:15:16.960 have an idea. It's kind of crazy, but let me 2:15:17.120 --> 2:15:19.600 pitch it to you. And he's like, this idea is 2:15:19.600 --> 2:15:21.240 that you're going to travel the country. You're the host 2:15:21.280 --> 2:15:23.600 of the show. You travel the country and we find 2:15:23.680 --> 2:15:26.480 either invasive animals, animals that are destroying their ecosystem, or 2:15:26.520 --> 2:15:28.640 animals that most people just won't eat. And we're gonna 2:15:28.640 --> 2:15:30.440 go out with the guide. We're gonna hunt them, and 2:15:30.760 --> 2:15:32.400 I will go outside and well, you know, in the 2:15:32.400 --> 2:15:33.720 area where we hunt them, we set up a grill 2:15:33.720 --> 2:15:35.280 and we set a little mini kitchen and you cook 2:15:35.480 --> 2:15:37.960 out there, and I'm like, the first thing I said 2:15:37.960 --> 2:15:40.240 to him was like, Dude, this show is so mung 2:15:40.320 --> 2:15:43.320 it's not even funny. The idea that we're just growing 2:15:43.440 --> 2:15:46.160 on the wild to find some kind of creature, hunt 2:15:46.200 --> 2:15:48.720 them down and cook it. I'm like, are you freaking 2:15:48.800 --> 2:15:50.960 kidding me? I'm like, what if this show, Like you know, 2:15:51.000 --> 2:15:52.520 at that point, we didn't know if the show is 2:15:52.520 --> 2:15:54.200 will be picked up or not. I'm like, if this 2:15:54.320 --> 2:15:58.400 show gets picked up, every Mung uncle and cousin will 2:15:58.440 --> 2:16:02.320 be like, dude, like that's the show. And so they 2:16:02.760 --> 2:16:05.080 said yeah, So we ran like a testing and Outdoor 2:16:05.120 --> 2:16:07.120 came back. God. We won eight episodes as Rocket and 2:16:07.200 --> 2:16:11.280 then in one calendar year they Greenly had three three seasons. 2:16:11.320 --> 2:16:14.000 So we just got done filming season three. Season one 2:16:14.200 --> 2:16:17.360 was released last fall, and then season two will be 2:16:17.480 --> 2:16:18.560 released in December. 2:16:18.680 --> 2:16:20.760 How many episodes are you make in per release? 2:16:21.320 --> 2:16:26.280 See eight? And Man, I had this I'm a small 2:16:26.320 --> 2:16:28.920 Wisconsin boy, right, I'm just from Wisconsin. I had this 2:16:29.080 --> 2:16:30.800 moment where I had this like come to Jesus moment 2:16:30.800 --> 2:16:35.080 where I'm like I'm like literally chest deep in chocolate 2:16:35.200 --> 2:16:42.280 milk water in Oklahoma City area, noodling for catfish. And 2:16:42.400 --> 2:16:44.480 I just thought to myself, Man, if you would have 2:16:44.520 --> 2:16:47.080 told me this twenty years ago, eighteen year old kid 2:16:47.120 --> 2:16:48.640 going off to college going, hey, one day, You're like, 2:16:48.760 --> 2:16:51.400 you're gonna be doing this cameras around and I was 2:16:51.400 --> 2:16:55.600 just like, college leads to this, Yeah, stay in school kids, 2:16:56.200 --> 2:16:57.240 But it was like you know what I'm saying, Like, 2:16:57.680 --> 2:16:59.080 I was like, I don't know if you if you 2:16:59.120 --> 2:17:02.360 guys ever had that like surreal moment like whoa what 2:17:02.480 --> 2:17:04.240 am I doing here? Like this is so amazing and 2:17:04.640 --> 2:17:06.680 and yeah, and then you know, and the guy, you know, Nate, 2:17:06.760 --> 2:17:08.200 was like, oh right, I'll get your hand in there 2:17:08.240 --> 2:17:11.880 and let's go looking for fish. I'm like, okay, you know, yeah, 2:17:11.920 --> 2:17:14.160 but man, it's such a should you should talk about 2:17:14.160 --> 2:17:16.640 some of the critters that are on Oh season one. Yeah, 2:17:16.680 --> 2:17:19.600 season one we did we went that's all that whole 2:17:19.680 --> 2:17:22.240 season's out. Yeah yeah, yeah, season one we went all out. 2:17:22.320 --> 2:17:25.640 So we uh first, uh we went wild hogs. You 2:17:25.720 --> 2:17:29.680 know that. That was really really fun. A Burmese python 2:17:30.400 --> 2:17:32.640 with a guy named Dusty Crumb. Dusty Crumb you can 2:17:32.680 --> 2:17:34.959 find him on the History Channel and you know, he's 2:17:35.000 --> 2:17:37.200 got a few other little shows down there. And then 2:17:37.200 --> 2:17:40.080 we had iguanas, which was the iguana was really special 2:17:40.120 --> 2:17:42.280 for me because I showed my dad and say, hey, Dad, 2:17:42.320 --> 2:17:44.200 we're gonna go hunt iguanas. And he goes, oh, we 2:17:44.280 --> 2:17:46.680 just hunt those as boys, really yeah, and so I'm like, 2:17:46.680 --> 2:17:48.240 really yeah, on the trees, we see them all the time, 2:17:48.240 --> 2:17:50.000 we hunt them, we shoot him and he said that 2:17:50.040 --> 2:17:52.040 they had these like little twenty two guns, like like 2:17:52.120 --> 2:17:54.360 they're like they're like a one loader type thing, and 2:17:54.480 --> 2:17:56.560 it's like basically it's like a stick, you know. And 2:17:56.680 --> 2:17:59.080 he's like, and I was thinking to myself, how did 2:17:59.120 --> 2:18:01.240 you guys, aim Do you know what I'm saying, because 2:18:01.280 --> 2:18:03.520 it's like it's barely a gun, right, It's a stick 2:18:03.600 --> 2:18:06.039 with the little like firing pin that you just hit, 2:18:06.120 --> 2:18:08.000 you know. And he goes, yeah, that's what we used 2:18:08.000 --> 2:18:10.280 to do. And then he told me the recipe they used, 2:18:10.320 --> 2:18:12.840 and it was awesome to be down in southern Florida 2:18:13.240 --> 2:18:16.480 hunting iguana. After we killed the iguanas to cook it 2:18:16.520 --> 2:18:18.360 the same way my father cooked it in the mountains 2:18:18.400 --> 2:18:21.600 of Laos like seventy years ago. Where I'm like, dude, 2:18:22.120 --> 2:18:23.560 this is so amazing. It was so special for me 2:18:23.640 --> 2:18:25.400 and be on national TV and being able to say yep, 2:18:25.520 --> 2:18:27.400 dad did this seventy years ago. In Mountains of Laus, 2:18:28.240 --> 2:18:33.480 we did a carp with bow lionfish, lion fish school. 2:18:33.600 --> 2:18:36.280 Oh man, yeah, lionfish. That was all. I didn't do 2:18:36.320 --> 2:18:38.920 the scuba diving because I'm not screw scuba servitified. But 2:18:38.959 --> 2:18:41.000 they thought it'd be fun to put It's always a 2:18:41.080 --> 2:18:43.280 thing I found out. Producers think it's fun to put 2:18:43.320 --> 2:18:45.920 a big guy in a wetsuit and just do like 2:18:46.000 --> 2:18:48.760 a fifteen minute segment of like funny goofy movie. I 2:18:48.800 --> 2:18:50.600 mean trying to squeeze into a wetsuit. Sure, so I 2:18:50.680 --> 2:18:53.000 squeezed into wetsuit, got into the water, and we were 2:18:53.040 --> 2:18:57.680 in Destined, Florida, and they were like our captain that 2:18:57.800 --> 2:18:59.000 was taking us. He's like, I don't know why you 2:18:59.040 --> 2:19:00.600 put the wetsuit on his Like we tried agrees in. 2:19:00.760 --> 2:19:03.280 I looked at our producer. I thought it was funny, 2:19:03.640 --> 2:19:06.240 and I'm like, screw you, dude, are you seriously I like, 2:19:06.360 --> 2:19:08.800 I'm sweating into this wet suit, right, I'm a big dude. 2:19:09.120 --> 2:19:10.520 He's like, yeah, I just thought it would be funny. 2:19:10.520 --> 2:19:11.800 I mean, I know you didn't need it, and I 2:19:11.879 --> 2:19:14.600 was like, oh, trusting your producers, that's what happens. Uh. 2:19:14.760 --> 2:19:17.440 They learned that in producers school. Yeah, it's like we're 2:19:17.760 --> 2:19:19.400 what what kind of positions? We put him over the 2:19:19.560 --> 2:19:21.360 brim python I went to catch and it bit me, 2:19:21.920 --> 2:19:24.760 you know, and so I guess that I guess are 2:19:24.800 --> 2:19:26.920 one of our producers says like after the outdoor guys 2:19:26.920 --> 2:19:28.840 saw that, they're like, dude, that got a season two, 2:19:31.040 --> 2:19:33.240 get bit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now now that's like 2:19:33.320 --> 2:19:34.800 the funny thing, you know where I'm like, oh, that's 2:19:34.840 --> 2:19:36.920 just trying not to get bitten, you know, Like we 2:19:37.040 --> 2:19:40.480 did one up one season we did Alligator Guard and 2:19:41.040 --> 2:19:43.800 it wasn't dead yet when we pulled it on you know, 2:19:44.040 --> 2:19:45.800 the shot in the head. But we pulled it on 2:19:45.879 --> 2:19:47.480 the boat. It wasn't dead yet. So I'm like, you know, 2:19:47.720 --> 2:19:49.879 the camera guys and want our camera guys like getting 2:19:49.920 --> 2:19:51.520 near it like kind of you know. I'm like yeah, 2:19:51.840 --> 2:19:53.480 and then they're like snap back, and I'm like, screw 2:19:53.520 --> 2:19:56.400 your guys, you know. So that's kind of the fun 2:19:56.480 --> 2:19:59.640 thing where it's like, how can we make a scream? Yeah? 2:19:59.760 --> 2:20:01.560 And the and what else we have, we have, yeah, 2:20:01.560 --> 2:20:04.920 we had. That was really fun. And then season two 2:20:05.040 --> 2:20:07.800 was you know, really fun. And that one we did, 2:20:07.920 --> 2:20:11.520 uh we did white tail because up in kind of 2:20:12.000 --> 2:20:14.920 northern outside a little bit half an hour north of Minneapolis, 2:20:15.720 --> 2:20:19.080 this you know, just the population of dough control with 2:20:19.200 --> 2:20:22.640 a white tail. So that was a suburban environment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:20:22.959 --> 2:20:27.720 And so uh, you know, I I grew up in Lacrosse, 2:20:27.760 --> 2:20:29.800 Wisconsin college there, and so I got to know the 2:20:31.200 --> 2:20:34.200 matt McPherson, the Matthews family, you know, Matthews bo. So 2:20:34.320 --> 2:20:35.720 we were able to use one of their bows and 2:20:35.760 --> 2:20:37.240 it is like the first time I've ever you know, 2:20:38.080 --> 2:20:40.200 and I had a crash course in bow, and I 2:20:40.320 --> 2:20:41.879 was just like, after you get done shooting a Matthew, 2:20:41.920 --> 2:20:43.080 I'm like, I don't know if I want to go 2:20:43.800 --> 2:20:45.760 back to anything else, you know. And so it was 2:20:45.840 --> 2:20:48.600 like really fun just to go and learn the whole 2:20:48.959 --> 2:20:51.680 system with bow. And you know, I grew up hunting 2:20:51.720 --> 2:20:53.920 and fishing, but by no means an expert. And that's 2:20:53.920 --> 2:20:56.160 what makes the show really fun. Is like the first 2:20:56.200 --> 2:20:57.920 half of the show is like I'm fish out of water, 2:20:58.000 --> 2:21:00.280 you know, a guy takes me in, I'm going and 2:21:00.400 --> 2:21:03.160 then what I've been told is what the producers really 2:21:03.200 --> 2:21:05.280 love is the fact that the second end of the show, 2:21:05.320 --> 2:21:08.600 it's a reversal. So the guide he you know, they 2:21:08.720 --> 2:21:11.959 cooked what you know, they do, you know, and then 2:21:12.160 --> 2:21:14.320 I get to, you know, show them like, you know, 2:21:14.400 --> 2:21:15.920 what I would do with you know, with the meat 2:21:16.000 --> 2:21:18.520 or with the animal. And I think one of the 2:21:18.600 --> 2:21:21.760 funnest ones was a central Wisconsin area kind of near 2:21:21.800 --> 2:21:25.840 my hometown. We we went beaver trapping, never done it before, 2:21:26.600 --> 2:21:31.520 and man, like, beaver's are just just a big old 2:21:32.080 --> 2:21:34.560 freaking yellow teeth looking back at you, and you're like, 2:21:34.640 --> 2:21:36.800 oh my gosh, you know, and they're like, oh, go 2:21:36.959 --> 2:21:38.880 pull that out. And I'm like pulling this thing out. 2:21:38.920 --> 2:21:40.520 It's just like thick fur. 2:21:40.680 --> 2:21:42.600 And I was like, oh yeah, nothing better. 2:21:43.680 --> 2:21:45.400 And then we broke it down and like we ate it. 2:21:45.440 --> 2:21:47.960 I'm like, this is delicious, but I love it, you know, 2:21:48.520 --> 2:21:50.720 but it's just I mean, it's a big rodent, you know, 2:21:51.520 --> 2:21:53.360 and you're just like, Okay, here we go, you know. 2:21:54.560 --> 2:21:56.680 But yeah, I mean we have some We shot season 2:21:56.920 --> 2:21:59.280 three and then hopefully we'll hear back about season four. 2:21:59.360 --> 2:22:01.040 But it's a really really fun show. We just came 2:22:01.080 --> 2:22:04.120 out on they have it streaming now on my outdoor TV. 2:22:05.080 --> 2:22:05.320 I don't know. 2:22:05.400 --> 2:22:06.960 There's like this other show I see on there too, 2:22:07.080 --> 2:22:12.320 call me Eater something like that. Every time I go 2:22:12.400 --> 2:22:13.680 on there, you know, there's a picture of some. 2:22:13.800 --> 2:22:18.520 Guys the hotel room, uh, driving into a town a 2:22:18.600 --> 2:22:21.520 couple of weeks ago, and she's liked, well, what email? 2:22:22.400 --> 2:22:26.280 And I gave her the email, which is at the 2:22:26.440 --> 2:22:30.920 Meat Eater, and she immediately started laughing. 2:22:32.000 --> 2:22:36.440 And I was like, Nope, that's what it is. She okay. 2:22:37.800 --> 2:22:41.360 It's like it's like, why is it? Seymour butts at me? 2:22:44.000 --> 2:22:45.400 Wait are you serious, sir? 2:22:45.879 --> 2:22:49.760 You know, so tell people how to find you. Yeah, 2:22:49.800 --> 2:22:50.960 we have the restaurant. 2:22:51.080 --> 2:22:54.160 Yea restaurant is at Union Munk Kitchen. It's a Union 2:22:54.280 --> 2:22:57.400 Munk Kitchen yep. So uh you know, uh, you know, 2:22:57.520 --> 2:23:00.960 on Instagram all those other platforms. And then me is 2:23:01.280 --> 2:23:03.279 for me, it's at yea Vang seven. 2:23:03.240 --> 2:23:08.160 Zero, got it? And then outdoor Channel, Oh yeah, outdoor 2:23:08.200 --> 2:23:09.720 Channel my outdoor TV app. 2:23:10.240 --> 2:23:13.039 Yep, my outdoor TV app. It's like great man first, 2:23:13.240 --> 2:23:15.039 was it first thirty days or free or something? There? 2:23:15.160 --> 2:23:16.920 Yeah, I don't know, you're coming over for dinner night, 2:23:18.000 --> 2:23:18.520 you know, about that. 2:23:18.840 --> 2:23:20.960 Well, Karan said something about it. Well, I was just 2:23:21.000 --> 2:23:23.120 trying to be cool about it. You know. Do you 2:23:23.160 --> 2:23:25.080 know how many friends text me goes, dude, what are 2:23:25.120 --> 2:23:27.880 you doing in Bozman? And I'm like, ah, stuff, And 2:23:27.959 --> 2:23:30.000 then and then somebody goes, is it you're going to 2:23:30.080 --> 2:23:31.600 go with me? And you were Stephen in the Boys 2:23:31.640 --> 2:23:34.040 And I'm like, oh, maybe, and then they're all like 2:23:34.080 --> 2:23:35.320 freaking out a little bit. So I'm like, dude, just 2:23:35.400 --> 2:23:35.880 be cool. Man. 2:23:36.120 --> 2:23:37.440 Well, hope you did a good enough job. 2:23:37.720 --> 2:23:40.640 You'll have to just hold the plate as Steve Grill and. 2:23:42.959 --> 2:23:46.400 I got grill. It's home cooking right now. Yeah, it's 2:23:46.400 --> 2:23:47.000 already cooking. 2:23:47.120 --> 2:23:47.720 That's awesome. 2:23:47.920 --> 2:23:53.160 Yeah, so we're gonna have some chips, potato chips. Oh yeah, is. 2:23:55.040 --> 2:23:56.600 This Montana culture you're teaching me? 2:23:58.200 --> 2:23:59.800 Well, thanks for coming out, man, I appreciate it. 2:24:00.120 --> 2:24:02.320 Yeah, thanks for having me man. It's awesome. It's awesome 2:24:02.600 --> 2:24:04.840 to be here man. And it's my first time Bozman, 2:24:04.920 --> 2:24:06.440 so Jordan and I first time Bozeman. We got a 2:24:06.520 --> 2:24:07.840 chance to well welcome, enjoy the. 2:24:07.840 --> 2:24:11.560 Mountains and yeah, Yang, thanks for coming out man. Of course, Boner, 2:24:11.600 --> 2:24:14.039 I'll see you. I'll see you at Youth turk. 2:24:14.400 --> 2:24:15.360 Yeah, exactly. 2:24:15.920 --> 2:24:16.840 You know where I'll be. Am. 2:24:16.840 --> 2:24:18.560 I invited to dinner too, You. 2:24:18.600 --> 2:24:19.480 Are inviting dinner. 2:24:20.360 --> 2:24:22.040 Oh yeah, they're looking forward to it. 2:24:22.160 --> 2:24:24.600 I get that high, feel that youth turkey again. 2:24:25.959 --> 2:24:30.080 All right, Well, dog said, if I came for the 2:24:30.120 --> 2:24:32.279 first time of my girls, he give me that spot. 2:24:32.400 --> 2:24:33.760 No, no, no, he did. 2:24:33.920 --> 2:24:35.280 I'll call, I'll take care of it. 2:24:35.360 --> 2:24:35.840 I'll let you know. 2:24:36.760 --> 2:24:41.199 I know what he says. All right, thanks, guys, Thanks. 2:24:41.800 --> 2:24:59.280 Oh see you Gray shine like silver in the sun. 2:25:03.200 --> 2:25:12.800 Ride ride, ride on alone of Sweetheart. We're done beat 2:25:12.879 --> 2:25:17.080 this damp horse to death, so taking a new one 2:25:17.840 --> 2:25:18.879 and ride away. 2:25:21.840 --> 2:25:27.480 We're done beat this damn horse today, so take a 2:25:27.600 --> 2:25:29.640 new one and ride on.