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Speaker 1: Live from our ill Talk here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Turns to President elect Joe Biden's administration. Speaker Pelosi has

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Speaker 1: beat the political odds and reclaimed the galvil. We're talking

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Speaker 1: right now about jockeying amongst Republicans. Bloomberg Sound On, the insiders,

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Speaker 1: the influencers, the inside. Biden has promised again and again

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Speaker 1: it able to unite the country. The only way things

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Speaker 1: happened if Republicans Democrats work together. Unfortunately for President elect Biden,

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Speaker 1: this is a time when he's getting the most important

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Levin Shirley on Bloomberg Radio. My

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Speaker 1: name is Kevin Serelian, the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Democratic pressure is building to

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Speaker 1: alice President Trump while President elect Joe Biden taps the brakes. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: GOP Senator Lisa Murkowski has called on President Trump to resign.

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Speaker 1: As House Speaker Nancy Pelosi held a caucus telephone call

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Speaker 1: earlier today in which they discussed everything from amendment to

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Speaker 1: how to get the president to resign. Two calls for impeachment.

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Speaker 1: We have every angle covered. But we begin tonight with

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Speaker 1: an exclusive interview with centrist Republican Governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan, Governor,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to my program. Thank you for coming on it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the best course of action

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Speaker 1: for the country and the executive branch? Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you thanks for having me on this. UH. I

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Speaker 1: if the president would would resign or leave office UH,

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Speaker 1: and that my pens could lead the orderly transition of

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Speaker 1: President Biden sworn in. Now, you know, I know there

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Speaker 1: are lots of speculation about what should happen, how it

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Speaker 1: state of Maryland trying to UH, trying to deal with

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Speaker 1: the COVID crisis right now, and not part of the

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you what the latest is, but I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you're more up on it than I am. But

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Speaker 1: I do believe that it would be good for the

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Speaker 1: don't know how they're going to get something really done

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Speaker 1: over the next twelve days or whatever it is, but

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Speaker 1: I think it would be smart if the President would

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Speaker 1: When I've been talking to sources throughout the day, including

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Speaker 1: that exists about what might happen between now and inauguration.

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Speaker 1: Do you share some of the concerns that Republicans have raised,

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Speaker 1: now an inauguration day. Well, you know, I've been concerned

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Speaker 1: obviously the the events of Wednesday shocked the world, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're in a much different place than we were.

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Speaker 1: But but we've had kind of this strange, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: bizarro world for a couple of months. Uh, where things

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Speaker 1: I never thought i'd see a day like that, this

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't know what's going on inside

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Speaker 1: cooler heads prevail. And that's why I thought it was

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Speaker 1: you know. And I think this is important, folks. And

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Speaker 1: we're talking with Governor Larry Hogan of Maryland and what

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Speaker 1: you mentioned about, as you've been clear in your position

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Speaker 1: who told me about the Constitution Amendment and how that

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Speaker 1: it's important to actually read the Constitution. So from your perspective, Governor,

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Speaker 1: as a scholar, so to speak, is is the twenty

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Speaker 1: number of days that are left between now and January? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, thanks for calling me a scholar, but

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Speaker 1: But if that's the that's the position that the if

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Speaker 1: So you think that if impeachment similar to Nixon, were

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that's going to happen, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sworn in on January. All right, And let's there's been

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Speaker 1: And that was back and forth for quite a while. Um. Finally,

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Speaker 1: you for having me today, anytime, Governor Hogan, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. I'm Kevin Cerelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg

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