1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: They called it the burned Over District. It's a nod 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: to a statement by revivalist preacher Charles Grandison Finney, who 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: felt that the Hydesville, New York area had been consumed 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: by a forest fire of holy fervor. It was a 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: condition that left residents hardened to religious authority. When those 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: flames died down and the ashes cooled, the ground became 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: fertile for new religious beliefs. During the harsh winter of 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: eighteen forty seven into eighteen forty eight, for example, the 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Fox family, John, Margaret, and their daughters Kate and Maggie 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: moved to an unassuming house there, hoping to find a 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: place to live out their days in peace. But peace 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: would prove to be elusive. In March of eighteen forty eight, 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: wrapping sounds seemed to come from the girl's bedroom. A 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: search of the home turned up nothing. On March thirty first, 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Kate imitated the sound by snapping her fingers and clapping 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: through a series of questions, requiring the spirit to tell 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: twice for yes and once for no. The family learned 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: that this ghost was that of a thirty one year 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: old man. He had been murdered in their house and 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: buried in the cellar. It seemed that Hydesville had a 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: haunted house, and through them, America had found a new obsession. 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: When Kate and Maggie eventually moved away, the spirit went 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: with them, helping them blaze a career that lasted decades. 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: Only later did the pair admit that all of it 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: had been a hoax. Surprisingly, though their confession did little 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: to stem the popularity of spiritualism, that's probably because people 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: weren't really looking for a new religious experience. What they'd 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: actually been searching for were answers, and knowing the history 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: of the American West, that's easy to understand why I'm 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Mankee and welcome to the Wild West. From its 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: very beginnings, the idea of the New World and America's 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: westward expansion were closely intertwined with religious conviction. The belief 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: that western expansion represented the fulfillment of a divine mission, however, 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: known as manifest destiny, did not appear until eighteen forty five. Still, 35 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: its roots can be traced back to Europe and the 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: idea that God had appointed English settlers for a special purpose. 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: The Spanish and French monarchs, and later the British settlers 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: themselves believed their mission was to spread Christianity to America's 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: indigenous people. This belief that God had chosen the British 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: colonies for an extraordinary destiny received a major overhaul during 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: the American Revolution and the creation of the United States 42 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: as a new and unique, independent nation. By seventeen eighty nine, 43 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: Americans considered their new country a blessed entity, charged to 44 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: develop and maintain itself as the beacon of liberty and 45 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: democracy to the entire world. In the decades following the 46 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: American Revolution, the population of the Nited States exploded, and 47 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: with it, American Christianity became a massive enterprise. The number 48 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: of Christian ministers in the country skyrocketed from less than 49 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen seventy five to nearly forty thousand 50 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty five. Competition between different denominations was fierce, 51 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: with upstarts like the Free Will Baptists nipping at the 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: heels of more established groups like the Episcopalians. New movements 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: like the Methodists, Baptists and the Mormons shared a common characteristic, 54 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: a tireless work ethic, a drive for expansion, a rejection 55 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: of orthodox beliefs, and styles, and an unyielding zeal for 56 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: religious reconstruction. These changes led to confusion and heated debates 57 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: over the purpose and function of the church, and at 58 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: the same time, a new style of religious leadership, often 59 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: seen as untutored or irregular, started to gain overwhelming success, 60 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: and through it all ministers vied for the role of 61 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: divine spokesperson. Now, it's important to step back and remember 62 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: that the American Revolution and the ideas it propagated had 63 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: sparked a cultural upheaval around the meaning of the word freedom. 64 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: People had been empowered to think for themselves about issues 65 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: of equality, sovereignty, representation, and liberty. As a result, overall 66 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: respect for ideas like authority, tradition, and education started to dwindle. 67 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: The traditional authorities of the church had very few resources 68 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: to hold back the surge of these new movements. By 69 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: the time of Jefferson's election in eighteen hundred, the notion 70 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: of dissent in America had become outdated, as if there 71 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: were still a commonly recognized center against which all new 72 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: or innovative religious movements could be measured. In the midst 73 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: of all of this, one man, Lorenzo Dow emerged as 74 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: a notable example of populist religious fervor, Dow played a 75 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: significant role in the growth of American Methodism. He traveled 76 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: thousands of miles yearly to preach tirelessly at hundreds of meetings, 77 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: and he had a particular disdain for traditional author including clergymen. 78 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: As the country expanded westward, religious life became less centralized 79 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: than in the established East Coast cities. Clerics and pioneer 80 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: rabbis took to the road to serve their scattered congregations. 81 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: In the West, religion took on a unique path compared 82 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: to the East. In the process, churches and synagogues became 83 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: central in forging the social boundaries that Western settlers needed. 84 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: Religious identity became the lens through which most Western settlers 85 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: viewed their world, and regardless of their denomination, clergy were 86 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: among the most highly educated people out there and were 87 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: sought after for everything from spiritual guidance to farming advice. 88 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: But nowhere in the nation did religious fervor and upheaval 89 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: seem as prevalent as in western New York. This was 90 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: the tumultuous religious environment that Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, 91 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: was born into in eighteen oh five. Now, the Smith 92 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: family of eleven was poor, and years of hardship and 93 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: illness forced them to move from Vermont to New York. 94 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: Along the way, an unscrupulous land agent swindled the family 95 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: out of their property, leaving Smith's parents destitute. In their 96 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: time of need, the devoutly religious Smith family turned toward 97 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: the Church, but Joseph had become disillusioned by the sheer 98 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: number of religions out there, so he started exploring the 99 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: more unusual beliefs at the time, things like folk magic 100 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: and superstition, and looking back, that wasn't surprising. Dreams and 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: visions were actually pretty common within the Smith family. Joseph 102 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: even claimed that he could talk to angels. But he 103 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: also began to look outside Christianity at more occult sciences 104 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: to find the religious truth that he was After he 105 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: was so convincing that his family believed his gift would 106 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: lead them to financial security. Instead, the authorities arrested Joseph 107 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 1: for disturbing the peace. Joseph Smith was just a teen 108 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: when he had his first spiritual vision. It was eighteen twenty, 109 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: and he was struggling to make sense of the way 110 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: the many sects competed against each other, dividing the people 111 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: they converted. He also struggled with what he believed was 112 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: a wickedness within himself. Smith gave various accounts of what 113 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: happened next. In one telling, distressed and convicted of his 114 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: sins and fearing for his soul, he went into the 115 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: woods to pray, and there a pillar of lights appeared, 116 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: and Jesus came and spoke to him and forgave his sins. 117 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: In another version, Joseph said, a darkness surrounded him, and 118 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: he called out to God. A burst of lights appeared, 119 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: and within it stood God the Father and Jesus the Son. 120 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: Smith asked them which church he should join. The two 121 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: divine personages, as he referred to them, forbade him to 122 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: join any existing sect, for not only were they all wrong, 123 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: but they were all corrupt. On the night of September 124 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: twenty first of eighteen twenty three, another personage, this time 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: an angel named Moroni, appeared before him with the message 126 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: that God had chosen Smith to translate a book written 127 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: on gold plates that contained his gospel. Smith was warned 128 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: not to use the plates to obtain wealth, though, or 129 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: even show them to anyone or else he would be destroyed. 130 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: Smith claimed that he found the plates in a box 131 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: under a large rock on a hillside near Manchester, New York. 132 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: He wrote that many others wanted the books, but he 133 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: hid them, and once he finished the translations, he returned 134 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: the golden book to the Angel. While the Book of 135 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Mormon would become the basis of a brand new religious faith, 136 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: it also served as a document of social protest against 137 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: traditional and complacent figures and structures of power. Smith believed 138 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: that the clergymen were the primary source of these sins. 139 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: In his eyes, the Book of Mormon suggested that God 140 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: would restore the ancient order of things and empower the underprivileged. 141 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: Upon the publication of the book, Smith and a small 142 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: group of followers promoted this newfound religion. Drawing from his 143 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: own life experience, He emphasized people's rights to shape their 144 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: own faith and take charge of their religious destiny. His 145 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: earliest disciples were poor, uprooted, unschooled, and unsophisticated people a 146 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: lot like him. The Mormon Church began evangelizing and growing 147 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: rapidly in April of eighteen thirty. The Latter day Saints 148 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: were first organized on the Whitmer farm with approximately fifty attendees. Eventually, though, 149 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: they moved farther west, focusing their operations in Ohio. By 150 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty seven, they were even expanding into England. The 151 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: Mormons were generally not welcomed by the locals in the 152 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: places that they settled. Most folks didn't share their beliefs 153 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: in communalism and complete submission to the prophet. Then they 154 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: especially did not take the Mormon claims that God had 155 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: consecrated to them the land belonging to their non Mormon neighbors. 156 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: As you might imagine, this tension inevitably led to violence. 157 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty eight, Smith and many other Mormons moved 158 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: their home base from Ohio to Missouri, but friction between 159 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: his followers and the locals there persisted, in part because 160 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: the Mormons insisted on settling anywhere they wished, even if 161 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: the land was already owned by someone else. So Smith 162 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: organized a private army of men who ended up in 163 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: an altercation with non Mormons, beating in the skulls of 164 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: nine men. Tensions between Mormons and their neighbors only continued 165 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: to get worse, so bad that the state of Missouri 166 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: issued a warrant for Smith's arrest and the governor issued 167 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: in order that all Mormons must leave the state or 168 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: face consequences. After losing what was called the Mormon War, 169 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Smith's followers agreed to leave Missouri, eventually settling in Illinois 170 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: in a town they named Navu, which they saw as 171 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: a kind of autonomous theocracy ordained by God. Smith's ever 172 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: changing theology, though included the belief that his followers should 173 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: not be restrained from using acts of violence. Such unorthodox 174 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: ideas couldn't help but lead to conflict at many points, 175 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: which is why, for example, in eighteen forty two, his 176 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: bodyguards attempted to assassinate the governor. In eighteen forty four, 177 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: he unsuccessfully ran for president, and amidst all of these things, 178 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: relations with their non Mormon neighbors and even some dissenting 179 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: Mormon groups once again deteriorated. Tensions reached a boiling point 180 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: that same year when Mormons destroyed the Navu Expositor, which 181 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: had printed stories the Mormons considered unfair persecution. Smith eventually surrendered, though, 182 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: and was taken into custody at the Carthage Jail in 183 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Illinois A short time later, on June twenty seventh, of 184 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: eighteen forty four, a mob of approximately two hundred men 185 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: barged into that jail and murdered Joseph Smith and his brother. 186 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: Newspapers wrote that the Mormons would soon cease to exist. 187 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: They were wrong about that, though members voted to replace 188 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: Smith with one of his devout followers, a man named 189 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: Brigham Young. After that, Smith's followers moved on, and by 190 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: December of eighteen forty seven, around two thousand of them 191 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: began settling in Salt Lake City, Utah. Within just three years, 192 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: their community reached a population of nearly twelve thousand members, 193 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: and it was here that they sought to establish their 194 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: own recognized territory. Brigham Young did one other significant thing 195 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: early on. He added something called the Oath of Vengeance 196 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: as part of the church's initiation rights translation. The hostilities 197 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: between Mormons and outsiders were about to reach a tipping point. 198 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Many of the Mormon beliefs created distrust among the other settlers. 199 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: They established the act of lying for the Lord, which 200 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: meant followers could lie to protect each other, and the church. 201 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: Insiders who wanted to leave were reluctant to do so, 202 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: as the land that they bought had been consecrated to 203 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: the church. Private land ownership was prohibited, and stewards of 204 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: the church had that property taken away if they sinned. 205 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: Followers had specific jobs within the communal hive, as they 206 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: called it, from working fields to hunting and gathering. Trade 207 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: outside the community was strongly discouraged. For the most part, 208 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: the Mormons craved isolation. Bigham Young portrayed the United States 209 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: government as an enemy, claiming that they'd had a hand 210 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: in Joseph Smith's death. He also appointed church officials to 211 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: certify elections, attempts from US federal agents to uphold laws 212 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: the Mormons disagreed with or met with threats of violence. Now, 213 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: these actions and beliefs alone might have been the reason 214 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: for the distrust, but it was the Mormons proclivity to 215 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: violence that worried outsiders. The most Young and some other 216 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: church leaders advocated a doctrine referred to as blood atonement, 217 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: which held that certain sins could only be atoned for 218 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: by shedding that sinner's blood. It was only meant to 219 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: apply to Mormons, by the way, but some took it 220 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: as a license for violence toward anyone they felt as 221 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: a threat. So when the gold rush kicked off. It 222 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: brought up a lot of questions about the Mormons relationship 223 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: with the US government. Most outsiders traveling to California needed 224 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: to cross through the Salt Lake area, and for Young 225 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: and his highly indoctrinated followers, this just would not do. 226 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: The culture that Young created led followers to believe that 227 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: they had a religious right to kill criminals and hostile 228 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: outsiders who had harmed or persecuted them to the US government, 229 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: though Young was a religious dictator with a stranglehold on 230 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: his followers. In April of eighteen fifty seven, a group 231 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: of farming families totaling roughly one hundred and thirty five people, 232 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: met in Caravan Springs, Arkansas. The group set out toward California, 233 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: taking their livestock with them. To the Mormons, this was 234 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: considered a hostile force due to an unrelated incident is 235 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: He a popular Mormon apostle named Parley Pratt had recently 236 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: been killed in Arkansas. As a result, Young had declared 237 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: martial law in Utah forbidding any outsider to pass through 238 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: without a permit. Mormon apostle George Smith made the rounds 239 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: to warn others of the impending traveler's arrival and to 240 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: not trade with them, reportedly suggesting that these outsiders' bones 241 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: would make really good fertilizer for their crops. He found 242 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: and the flames even more by telling the local Pyute 243 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: tribe that the US military was following those travelers, planning 244 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: to kill everyone they encountered, and let's just make sure 245 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: that we're clear on this. George Smith and other Mormons 246 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: lied to the Piute, claiming that they were at risk 247 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: of being attacked, putting them on edge and dragging them 248 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: into the upcoming conflict. Unaware of their impending doom, the 249 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: travelers from Arkansas pressed onward. When they reached the area 250 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: of Mountain Meadows, those Pyute, dressed in warpaint were already 251 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: waiting for them. Brigham Young's adoptive son, John Lee, had 252 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: orders to round up other local Native Americans and supply 253 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: them with weapons to help kill the travelers. Apostle George 254 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Smith also delivered a letter to the native tribes urging 255 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: them that they could either help the Mormons or be 256 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: killed by the US military alongside them. The massacre happened 257 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: just before daybreak. The travelers fought off their attackers as 258 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: best they could and sent a messenger back to get help. Unfortunately, 259 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: a more Mormon outrider shot and killed that messenger. Young 260 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: men informed another writer that the Mormons should encourage the 261 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: Native Americans to handle the problem without their interference. Some 262 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: historians believe many Mormons even disguised themselves as Native Americans 263 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: and then joined in on the attack. Surrounded and running 264 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: out of ammunition, the travelers surrendered, but surrender wasn't enough. 265 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: Mormon Major John Higbee ordered his men to kill the survivors. 266 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: The native tribes and the Mormons took to hatchets and knives, 267 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: brutally slaughtering the men and women. Even children were dragged 268 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: from their hiding places and killed. Mormon leader John Lee, 269 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: according to many witnesses, behaved like a demon. In the slaughter. 270 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: Only seventeen people, all children, were left alive and placed 271 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: into Mormon homes. Historians put the final death toll at 272 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: roughly one hundred twenty innocent lives. On the morning of Saturday, 273 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: September twelfth, Lee and other local leaders rode out to 274 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: the field and spent a moment gazing upon the scattered 275 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: bodies of their victims. Then after the dead were thrown 276 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: into ravines and covered with a light layer of dirt. 277 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: The killers gathered together for prayer. They gave thanks to 278 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: God for delivering their enemies into their hands. Using the 279 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: practice of lying for the Lord. They all agreed that 280 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: the blame for the massacre should be shifted away from 281 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: the Mormons, who planned, organized and led it, and the 282 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: lie they spread to say themselves. The Indians, they said, 283 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: did it alone. Every decision has an impact, like ripples 284 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: in a pond. The birth of the United States, for example, 285 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: had far reaching effects, even extending into the religious world. 286 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: It helped create a crisis of authority in religious life 287 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: that called for prophets who could give guidance. New religious 288 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: movements such as the Mormons, the Shakers, and the Oneida 289 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: community emerged as a result, but not all leaders were 290 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: entirely happy with a peaceful existence. Brigham Young, for example, 291 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: waged a decade's long struggle for Mormon autonomy in the 292 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: face of federal sovereignty. He demonized his enemies, employed violent rhetoric, 293 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: and encouraged murder. US President James Buchanan, convinced that Young 294 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: was leading a rebellion against the federal government, even sent 295 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: an army to Utah along with a replacement for Governor. 296 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: Young eventually learned to live with the presence of US 297 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: soldiers and officials, and in other ways, though he defended 298 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: his kingdom with growing desperation for the rest of his life. 299 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: But the most shocking event in Mormon history was the 300 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: Mountain Meadows massacre. Although Young blamed Native Americans for the atrocity, 301 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the actual evidence suggested otherwise, and despite the perpetrators packed 302 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: to keep their involvement in the massacure a secret, the 303 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: truth eventually came out. In eighteen fifty nine, several US 304 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: government officials were sent to investigate what they thought were 305 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: Indian depredations at the massacre site. Instead, they discovered a 306 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: different story. Entirely, those who died in the initial attack 307 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: had been shot through the skull, and only those who 308 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: surrendered had met a different fate. Native Americans weren't known 309 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: to use guns with any regularity at that time and 310 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: weren't typically such expert marksmen. After noting their findings, these 311 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: investigators collected the bones of thirty four victims and buried 312 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: them in a common grave. Over the remains, they erected 313 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: a monument surmounted by a twelve foot cross. Sometime later, 314 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: when Brigham Young saw the monument, he ordered his men 315 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: to rip it down. As more and more of the 316 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: story was revealed, though, protests spread and outrage grew. The 317 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: tragedy even threatened to put an end to Utah's efforts 318 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: to achieve statehood. Surprisingly, though, when pressure for an investigation 319 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: and punishment arrived, it came from within the faith itself. 320 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: In the end, one man was eventually chosen to pay 321 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: the price for the massacre, Young's adopted son, John Lee. 322 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: He was taken to mountain meadows and killed by firing 323 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: squad guns. God and greed. There are a lot of 324 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: ideas and concepts that found their intersection in the wild West, 325 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: but these were some of the most volatile. I hope 326 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: today's exploration of one violent religious groups clash with the 327 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: world around them helped you see just how difficult it 328 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: was to find peace in an expanding world. But it's 329 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: not the only example of such a challenge. In fact, 330 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: my teammate Ali Stead has one more tale to tell you. 331 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: Stick around after this brief sponsor break to hear all 332 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: about it. 333 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: During the eighteenth century, the United States engaged in a 334 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: fierce conflict known as the Northwest Indian War, lasting from 335 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: seventeen eighty five to seventeen ninety five. It revolved around 336 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 2: the control of the Northwest Territory, encompassing modern day Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, 337 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: and parts of Minnesota. George Washington sought US control over 338 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: the region and dispatched the army, but the American forces 339 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: suffered significant defeats, notably the devastating Saint Clair's defeat in 340 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: seventeen ninety one. Undaunted, Washington appointed General mad Anthony Wayne 341 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: to take charge. This time. The US was victorious at 342 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: the Battle of Fallen Timbers in seventeen ninety four, forcing 343 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: local tribes to sign the Treaty of Greenville in seventeen 344 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: ninety five. According to its terms, Native American tribes were 345 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: to relinquish all claims to present day Ohio and parts 346 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: of Indiana, and for their part, the Americans agreed to 347 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: relinquish any claims they had to land north and west 348 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: of the territory that had been the heart of the dispute. However, 349 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: there was a catch. The Native tribes must allow Americans 350 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: to establish trading posts within Native territory. Where one American went, 351 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: others were sure to follow. Plenty of Americans were willing 352 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: to ignore the treaty and infringe on native lands. Hunters 353 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: and fur traders depleted game resources, making it difficult for 354 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: Natives to provide for their families. For the Shawneese, the 355 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: treaties aftermath prompted deep introspection. Some believed that dark powers 356 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: were at play and that the Americans represented evil forces 357 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: disrupting their harmonious way of life. That's when a Native 358 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: American prophet emerged. But he didn't start out with power. 359 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 2: In fact, he lived in the shadow of his oldest brother, Tacumsa, 360 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: a renowned Shawnee warrior chief, had always been regarded as 361 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: a hero by Americans, particularly during the War of eighteen twelve. 362 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 2: On the other hand, his younger brother seemed to get 363 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 2: the short end of the stick at every turn. Born 364 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: in eastern Ohio in seventeen seventy five, lala Itika, whose 365 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: name means the noisemaker, struggled to find his place in 366 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: the family. He didn't excel as a hunter or warrior, 367 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: and had developed a drinking problem in adolescence. But then 368 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 2: everything changed. One April day in eighteen o five, while 369 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 2: sitting in his lodge, lighting his pipe, he suddenly collapsed. 370 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: When he regained consciousness, he told those who gathered around 371 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: him that he died and visited heaven. This vision had 372 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: a profound effect on Lalla Witika, and he vowed to 373 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: never drink whiskey again. For months, the visions continued. He 374 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 2: claimed that the Great Spirit had called on him to 375 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: deliver the Shawnee from their bad habits and promote peace 376 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: with all mankind. In addition to taking on this new 377 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: prophetic role, he also took on a new name, tens Quattaua, 378 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: meaning the open door. Ten's Quattua advocated for a return 379 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: to traditional tribal culture. He emphasized communal living, sharing possessions, 380 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: monogamous marriages, peace among warriors, and respectful treatment of wives 381 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: and children. While guns could still be used in defense, 382 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: hunting was to be done with bow and arrow. Except 383 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: for weapons, all American made items were to be abandoned. Additionally, 384 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 2: tense Quatauwa taught his followers prayers and rituals that he 385 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: believed would restore the favor of the Master of Life 386 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: upon the Shawnee. He said that his people, the British, 387 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: the French, and the Spanish, were created by the Master 388 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: of life, but Americans who took native land were children 389 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: of the Great Serpent. He deemed those who disagreed with 390 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: his philosophy as misguided, fools or in league with the 391 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: Great Serpent, who spread disorder among the tribes. Those who 392 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: opposed him, particularly among the Lenape tribes, faced grave consequences. 393 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: Tens Quatua examined captives, condemning some and exonerating others. Converted 394 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Christians were especially at risk, and several individuals were burnt 395 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: at the stake for witchcraft. Moravian missionaries who had connections 396 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: with the l Lennape tribe promptly reported the situation to 397 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: the government. Governor William Henry Harrison challenged tens Quatua, suggesting 398 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: that a true prophet should be able to control the 399 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: movements of celestial bodies, including the Sun and moon. Little 400 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: did Harrison know that his challenge played right into tens 401 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 2: Quatua's hands. During the spring of eighteen o six, astronomers 402 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: traveled through Indiana and Illinois to study an upcoming solar 403 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: eclipse that was scheduled for June sixteenth. The prophet, keenly 404 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: aware of this celestial event, promised his followers that he 405 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: would darken the sun. On the day of the eclipse, 406 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: the noonday sun faded into an eerie twilight. News of 407 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: the profit's ability to control the sun spread like wildfire. 408 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Tribes from far and wide flocked to him, seeking conversion 409 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: to his new religion. Shortly afterwards, ten's Quattua and his 410 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: followers moved to a new town called Prophetstown on the 411 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: Tippecanoe River in Indiana, but even here tensions followed. Attacks on 412 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: white settlers in the area increased, forcing Native Americans to 413 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: sign the Treaty of Fort Wayne in eighteen o nine. 414 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: Chief Tecumza emerged as a prominent figure after the treaty, 415 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: traveling extensively and advocating for political and military solutions to 416 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: protect Native American lands. Fights over Native territory continued, and 417 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: Governor Harrison sent forces to Prophetstown. Outnumbered and outgunned, the 418 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: Native tribes were soundly defeated and fled. The Battle of 419 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: Tippecanoe effectively discredited tens Quatua's role as a prophet, while 420 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: his brother became a legend. The remainder of tens Quatawa's 421 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: life was marked by exile, removal and an Inglorious Death 422 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 2: in Kansas In eighteen thirty six. 423 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: Grimm and Moald Presents The Wild West was executive produced 424 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: by me Aaron Manky and hosted by Aaron Manky and 425 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: Alexandra Stead. Writing for this season was provided by Michelle Mudo, 426 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: with research by Alexandra Steed, Sam Alberty, Cassandra de Alba, 427 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: and Harry Marx. Fact checking was performed by Jamie Vargas, 428 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: with sensitivity reading by Stacy Parshal Jensen. 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