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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have a very

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Speaker 1: interesting story for you today. I was reading an article

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Speaker 1: over the weekend and it was about these twin girls

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Speaker 1: who were from the country of Georgia, and they had

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Speaker 1: seen each other on social media. They did not grow

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Speaker 1: up together, saw each other on social media, like wow,

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Speaker 1: this person looks exactly like me. Then they finally met

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Speaker 1: and they are getting DNA tests done because it turns

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Speaker 1: out that there has been decades, really over fifty years

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Speaker 1: of I guess we would call it child trafficking, but

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Speaker 1: baby trafficking. Parents are having children that wonderful day that

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Speaker 1: you have your baby in the hospital and they take

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Speaker 1: the babies away and they come back in and they say,

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Speaker 1: we're so sorry, but you lost your baby. The baby

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Speaker 1: didn't live, and they send these parents home, but they're

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Speaker 1: really selling the baby. And I think it was so

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Speaker 1: shocking to me because as a mom of twins myself,

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Speaker 1: not only am I a mom of twins, but I

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Speaker 1: actually lost a baby. So I gave birth to a

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Speaker 1: stillborn baby at eighteen weeks and even then, you know,

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Speaker 1: we held the baby, we said goodbye to the baby.

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Speaker 1: We knew we had lost the baby. I just I

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Speaker 1: know that feeling of lost and leaving the hospital knowing

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Speaker 1: that baby's not coming home with me. You know, I

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Speaker 1: grew this baby, I love this baby, and the baby

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Speaker 1: is gone. Imagine that happening. But the baby wasn't really gone.

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Speaker 1: You were lied to. I read this and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: believe it because it sounds like something that you hear

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Speaker 1: about that happened centuries ago, right, But this is happening now.

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Speaker 1: People are still finding out that they have parents out

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Speaker 1: there somewhere that they've never met. And so I read

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Speaker 1: this story and we searched for one of the women

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Speaker 1: who is working as an activist on this right now,

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Speaker 1: and she so graciously agreed to join us today. So

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Speaker 1: I am so excited about having her here on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Tamuna Musadi Musareasi, and I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: that she's with me. Tamuna, you have actually experienced this yourself.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Hello. Again, I'm very grateful for you because you're interested

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Speaker 3: in this and in these scales, and so me and

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Speaker 3: all those mothers and children who are seeking and looking.

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Speaker 2: For each other are so grateful.

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Speaker 3: Well, I yes, myself, I am searching for my biological parents.

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Speaker 3: I was sold from the Majority House legally, and there

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Speaker 3: are now my adoption documents that don't exists. I was

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Speaker 3: written a straight as my adopted parents' biological child, like

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Speaker 3: others hundreds of thousands of Georgiana people.

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Speaker 1: So how did you find out? I know, I mean

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Speaker 1: we talked about the twins that really and then it

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Speaker 1: seems like they went home and their parents said, oh,

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Speaker 1: actually you were adopted, and perhaps you actually are twins.

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Speaker 1: How did you find out that you were adopted?

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Speaker 3: You know, Unfortunately, in Georgia and in my country, it's

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Speaker 3: that you have adopted him or him, him or her,

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Speaker 3: and the parents are trying to hide this from children,

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Speaker 3: and even if the child finds out the truth, they

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Speaker 2: Well it unfortunately, my parents haven't.

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Speaker 3: Told me the truth, and I found out after my

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Speaker 3: parents died.

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Speaker 2: When my mother.

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Speaker 3: Yes, when my mother died one month later, I was

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Speaker 3: arranged it just her some documents and I found my

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Speaker 3: but there was written another month. So I went to

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Speaker 3: know what was happening. And they said that they couldn't

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Speaker 3: and they asked me to go to the maternity house

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Speaker 2: From there. I went to the.

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Speaker 3: Maternity house, wrote down the documented asked them to give

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Speaker 3: me the document, and in today's they wrote to me

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Speaker 3: that my mother hasn't given birth in nineteen four and

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Speaker 3: that's how I found out. But I couldn't still believe

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Speaker 2: That I was adopted. So I started calling my.

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Speaker 3: Relatives, my parents' friends, my neighbors, and you know, they

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Speaker 2: They started saying.

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Speaker 3: That I was acting very bad because I was ungrateful,

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Speaker 2: Want to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And after two or three months, I called my

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Speaker 3: Knew everything, but I liked and I asked her to

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Speaker 3: tell me the truth. And he said that everybody knows

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Speaker 3: that I was adopted, but unfortunately, no one knows who

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Speaker 3: my biological parents are. Then I called my godmother and

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Speaker 3: my father's sister, my aunt and asked them for help,

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Speaker 3: and they both said that they were those persons who

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Speaker 3: went to the Machet house and who had both debates.

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Speaker 3: But they are saying that they don't remember the exact day,

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Speaker 1: And they probably really never knew because why would they

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Speaker 1: keep that record because in some cases the government was

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Speaker 1: actually involved in this. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, correct, But I'm not sure that they didn't know,

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Speaker 3: because it's un believable that two women went to the

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Speaker 3: hospital house to buy the baby, and they never asked

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Speaker 3: about the surname, about the name, about the event, don't

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Speaker 3: remember the birthday of the child. It's unbelievable. I don't

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Speaker 3: know why they are not telegmy the truth because they

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Speaker 3: both are telling me the different stories much. I think

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Speaker 1: Something, so they're telling you different stories. It's interesting, So

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Speaker 1: you believe that they do know this?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is this a I mean, obviously, in the United States

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Speaker 1: we are very open with adoptions. My sister in law

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Speaker 1: very little. You know, they always told her that she

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Speaker 1: So this I think for people in the United States,

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Speaker 1: decades ago. But this is happening. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: because you know if you there was shame involved with

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, those people who have adopted children abroad NA,

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Speaker 3: they are not ashamed of saying the truth because they

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Speaker 3: have not stroved children. And they yes, and they are

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Speaker 3: sure that they have adopted children legally. But you can't

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Speaker 3: even imagine the numbers of children who are sold in

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Speaker 3: those adopted parents are calling us from USA and they

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Speaker 3: out that those children also are sold illegally in USA

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Speaker 3: because those parents had the birth certificates, the adoption documents,

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Speaker 3: but now they found out that all these documents are.

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Speaker 1: Faith Oh my okay. So to me, this is very

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Speaker 1: interesting because in the United States it can be challenging

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Speaker 1: In fact, I mean, we have a story here in

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Speaker 1: one of our friends adopted a baby from Russia, went

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Speaker 1: to got all of the pictures ahead of time, and

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Speaker 1: got to Russia. She was adopting this beautiful little girl.

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Speaker 1: they were like, well, you're here, now take him. So

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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of confusions and challenges that come along

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Speaker 1: with international adoptions, but this is one that I had

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Speaker 1: not heard. And so just so we're clear, the folks

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Speaker 1: seen as just buying a stolen baby. It was a

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Speaker 3: Yes, they were paying from twenty thousand to thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: Very low wow. In the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and they were adopting those children from Russia

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Speaker 3: because they couldn't get in Georgia. And that's why those

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Speaker 3: And then the adopted parents from USA were going to

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Speaker 3: that those people were making false documents in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I mean you were. And I think as

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Speaker 1: don't want to think about the details. And so from

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Speaker 1: been given up. How many children do you think are

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Speaker 2: Thousands, o hundreds and thousands.

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Speaker 1: So how do you connect? I mean the story that

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Speaker 1: that's not me, but that looks exactly like me. Yes,

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Speaker 3: They were adopted in different regions of Georgia. One family

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Speaker 3: knew that their daughter had the twin sister, but they

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Speaker 3: so they didn't know that she was alive, and they

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Speaker 2: Relasi Kepital of Georgia.

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Speaker 3: And another girl was adopted in another region, and both

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Speaker 3: they both were told the lies, and they both were

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Speaker 3: they wanted to contact them the family, but they didn't

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Speaker 2: Why they didn't make anything. And after that, four or five.

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Speaker 3: Years later, one of the twin sisters made the piercing

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Speaker 3: sending this video to her friends. They had the big

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Speaker 3: in this group and asked if these people.

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Speaker 3: And there was one girl who said, this isn't you.

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Speaker 3: And she wrote to her that I have been looking

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is so I mean. And you

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Speaker 2: A situation like this, no one knows.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course, because they had the information that they

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Speaker 1: How does something happen like this? How does it become?

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Speaker 3: This was happening in all the Georges' maternity houses and

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Speaker 2: There were too many people.

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Speaker 3: Involved in this. From the taxi drivers who were taking

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Speaker 1: So how often would it be that someone would come

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Speaker 3: You know, I was born in ninety eighty four, and

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Speaker 3: In Georgia, the death certificate is public. In ninety eighty four,

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable numbers.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable that in Georgia one thousand, five hundred child

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Speaker 1: What your goal is to get the word out, and

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Speaker 3: We made this group three years and brennant to talk

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Speaker 3: And she said that my god daughter was pregnant and

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Speaker 2: She told her daughter in lost name and surname.

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Speaker 2: But we have the same situation.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this story. So this Facebook page, is it?

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Speaker 1: That's up.

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Speaker 2: I'm searching, I'm searching.

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Speaker 1: And that this is where people can go to this

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's public group and both parents also sister, brothers

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Speaker 2: We're trying to connect them to each other.

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Speaker 3: But besides that, the group is also so big that

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Speaker 1: And then you have a you actually have an attorney.

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Speaker 1: So if somebody comes to you and says, hey, can

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Speaker 3: We don't we don't take money, and so we are

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. You said the youngest would be

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Speaker 3: the children are not eighteen years old yet because we

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Speaker 3: don't have the right to talk to those children and

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Speaker 3: we don't want sow children to have some problem and

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Speaker 3: for their parents to have problems too.

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Speaker 2: But in two years we will we will sell searching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think about it. My oldest was

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, and I just think, gosh,

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Speaker 1: of seeing your twin on social media again, my youngest,

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Speaker 1: they're ten, and they're twins, and there's just this special

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Speaker 1: bond and it almost you just almost feel like that's

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Speaker 1: a god thing that they would find each other that way,

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Speaker 1: because twins just should be together.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because they feel each other. Yes, yes, yes. And

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Speaker 3: our twins, Amy and Taco were feeling each other. They

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Speaker 3: knew that there was someone, someone who was missing for them.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is the part that I think is

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Speaker 1: I think you always have that longing for family. It's

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Speaker 1: just something in nate inside of you. But there is

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Speaker 1: something special about twins, and what a neat way for

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Speaker 1: this to kind of become a national or global story,

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Speaker 1: something that people are really seeing and going, Wow, we've

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Speaker 1: got to get these families back together, because there's something

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Speaker 1: inside of us that just automatically says, you have to

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Speaker 1: know your family. And that's not to say that your

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Speaker 1: adopted family is not your family, but there are people

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Speaker 1: out there that you still need to know.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course, well, my parents and my adopted parents

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Speaker 3: are of course my number one parents, and I'm so

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Speaker 3: grateful for them, and I love them more than I

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Speaker 3: can't even imagine that I can love other parents more

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Speaker 3: than them.

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Speaker 2: But everyone deserves the truth.

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Speaker 3: And everyone deserves to know their surname, and everyone deserves

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Speaker 3: to know their birthday.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so. Is there any way do you have a

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Speaker 1: website or anything where people can help out if they

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Speaker 3: They can find us on Facebook group okay in purple,

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Speaker 3: black and purple. It's written I'm searching, and well, some

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Speaker 3: of the people made the groups like us, but there

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Speaker 3: are more than two hundred thousand people and that's how

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Speaker 3: they will find us.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful, It's been so nice talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Timunda MUSSETI let me just make sure, make make sure

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Speaker 4: I get this right, Timuna Musseridzi, Yes, all right, Oh

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Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm so glad that you came on.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, this is something that I think that we having

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Speaker 1: an adopted sister in law, I know the importance of

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Speaker 1: feeling like you just need to know the person. And

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to share your story because I thought

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Speaker 1: as I was reading through it and I'm seeing that

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Speaker 1: you know, Americans, Canadians, people in other countries have purchased

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Speaker 1: these children believing that they were having a full adoption.

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Speaker 1: And to find out that there's a family out there

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Speaker 1: that may not be searching because they think that the

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Speaker 1: child is gone but could be reconnected. What a powerful story.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for sharing with us. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, yes so we so appreciate it, and thank

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Speaker 1: you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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