1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: You know here it Bent. We love the children. I 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: just really hope none we're listening to that because I 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: brought it. You you could have a goddamn monthly stick 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: on the shower. You make point first, Apple went in, 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: bought all the flies, bought a fly box to put 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: him in, went out to the river. Immediately lost the 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: fly box and it was one of the cool ones 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: with like it was like the aluminum and glass with 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: like the windows and ship. Just find someone to get 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: out on the mistletoe. Oh my, lady, make it happen. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Good morning to januarate anglers, and welcome to Bent the 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Fishing Podcast that Jess wants to say. She falls in 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: a well as go cross, she gets kicked by the 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: mule and go back to normal. I don't know. I'm 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: Joe Surmelli and I'm hating Samac and I have no 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: idea what that was. Okay, you have to at least 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: know what it's from. I saw the title of it, 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Like I know it's from that, But like I've adding 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: to the pantheon of movies that Hayden has not seen. 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: That is, uh, you've never seen The Christmas Vacation. To 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: have seen the Oh my God, I've never seen any 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: of like, I've never I know, there's like family vacation 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: and I've never I've never seen him. All right, all right, 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: you might hear something about that anyway, What that was 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,279 Speaker 1: I opted out of Clark gris On saying folks, folks, 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: marry Christmas at the last second while putting this together. 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: And I opted into that because I felt like it, 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: because it's a better line, that's all. Is it the 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: anals or the animals? I think it's either way. It's 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: like tomato tomato. I'm sure. I'm sure listeners are gonna 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: let me know. Um, I mean, like you know, and 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: that's even if they're listening today anyway, because it's Christmas Eve. 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: So I guess it kind of gives us a license 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: to sort of say whatever we want without a bunch 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: of constants. Yeah, I think we can be a little 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,639 Speaker 1: weirder than normal. Um. And you know what, since Ben started, 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: I swear to God, every major holiday has fallen on 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: a Friday, like without fail, Like join us next week 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: for the Yeah, join us next week for the New 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Year's Eve show, like give me a break, you know. Uh, 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: But you know, despite that, we always have a good 42 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: time with holidays. I mean, if nothing else, it makes 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: coming up with a theme incredibly easy. So that's always 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: kind of nice. It is kind of nice. Like the 45 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: obvious thing for me to do right now is to 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: ask you, uh, these hotday scripts do right themselves? What 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: what would be leaving on your tree this year? Joe 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: I asked for a new set of drift boat oars, 49 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: which Santa set. He said, that's no problem, but the 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: LVC has working at cataract Ores, like I guess we'll 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: say embedded at cataract Ores. They're a little backed up, 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: So strong chance my oars won't end up under the 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: tree tomorrow morning. Like more like Santa might have to 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: swing by with other just before springs shadd season kicks in. 55 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: But how about you, what are you getting this year? Um? 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: I asked Santa Claus for a used truck topper. Um, well, 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna make like Santa source materials 58 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: and like the Times of COVID because like that's not cool. 59 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: It's like it's it's a little greedy. Um. And I'll 60 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: tell you what, Santa, I'm formerly offering to go have 61 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: these with you if you could find a used one 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: in like the two grand range. Um, I'll tell you 63 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: what one better. I'll go look on craigslist and save 64 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: the always the trouble and uh yeah, very low, very 65 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: low lift gift this year. That is so nice, man, 66 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: what a guy helping sand out like that? You know, 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: thinking about it, I I bet out there somewhere is 68 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: a Jerry the canoe salesman for truck toppers. I'll bet 69 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: you he exists. Yeah, probably, but instead of like a 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: cup of tea, you know, like pound natty ice and 71 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: a shot of yeager and uh and hang out with 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: them around like the burn barrel. You know, that could 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: be more interesting than the real Jerry. But dude, at 74 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: least doing that it would add an element of excitement 75 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: to receiving you know that gift. Um, I always felt 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of sad, you know, like as you get older, 77 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit said. Yes, it's a little said, 78 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: because you know what you're getting, right, Like, you get 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: what you need, you get less junk, and you get 80 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: what you need. But the magic of sort of losing 81 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: sleep over whether or not something you ask for will 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: or will not be under the tree is gone. Um, Like, 83 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: oh man, so many specific presents come to mind for me. 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: But a big one was the micro machines race in 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: a case. The micro machine man here with the perfect crue. 86 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: Micro man want to come in first place? Got the 87 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: electric micro machines racing a case. Open the case to 88 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: start the race, clucking into play. It set up that way. 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: He great, your micro machines road great and stick the 90 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: track of both the world race past the barking like 91 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Superstar Jerry at the point you're talking to carry away 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the fun. Check out the carazing example, screw cars on 93 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: the micro machines around micro Machines racing the case and 94 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: bower Row competition race sts. He sold separately with two 95 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: road race and vehicles, power packs and controllers from Galube. 96 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: And I got it, but it kind of sucked, like 97 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: the cars didn't really stay on the track. It was 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: not that easy to pack back up into the case. 99 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: But I was still thrilled to have it, you know, 100 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: it was like it was a big one. Yeah. See, 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: Like I don't remember specific toys like that. It was 102 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: more whatever like I was obsessed with at the time, 103 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: like fishing or you know, hunting or where have you. Um, 104 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: But I was like when I was a kid, kid 105 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: I was really into Pokemon cards. Like um you were. 106 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: You may have been as enthralled by the micro machine commercials, 107 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: is I was about these kinds of commercials to be 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: the old man Pokemon master draggy. I think I am 109 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: the Bookemon game. You'll do awesome activities, wipes and meet 110 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: new friends. A speak in your journey could become a 111 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: Pokemon methods right there. See wow, Mancie, I had no idea, like, 112 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: have you and Phil bonded over this? Because I don't 113 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: think he could ever fire you. Isn't that some kind 114 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: of Pokemon warrior code? I I this is all news 115 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: to me. I think, other than working in Meteor, this 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: might be the only thing that Phil and I have 117 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: ever had in common. Um, although you know, and my 118 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: my Pokemon days are a little bit behind me. But 119 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: I remember being a kid and they were like ten 120 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: packs of Pokemon cards in my stocking one year, and 121 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: I went just like ape shit because it was never 122 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: like that. I wasn't from Like, it wasn't like when 123 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: I wanted something as a kid, I just got it 124 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: in spades, you know, if I if I begged enough 125 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: for it, like he got one pack of Pokemon cards. Yeah, yeah, 126 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: but you know, and every now and again it was 127 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: a special thing. Um, but he on Pokemon cards. Here's 128 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: something that's gonna dry Phil just in nuts when I 129 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: when Phil, this is for you man. When I was 130 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: in first grade, so I traded a holographic first edition 131 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: Chancey for two just regular as Pika Choose because the 132 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: show had led me to believe that Pikachu was the 133 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: best thing that there could possibly be. So you know 134 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 1: what that means. And I'm sure you're greating your teeth 135 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: right now. Um, he's gonna call you into his office 136 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: like with a little like buzz, like, Hayden can kind 137 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: of my office? Please? Thanks? He was like, what the um? 138 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: But thinking back on like a president, that really blew 139 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: my mind was I got a Crossman pellet gun. There 140 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: was a full on campaign involved. Did I snuck bb 141 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: gun onto my list every year? And I never actually 142 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: got one from Santa But my my grandfather used to 143 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: snap up everyone he saw at flea market, so I 144 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: had a whole arsenal at his place. Anyway, we certainly 145 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: hope you find what you want under the tree tomorrow. 146 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: Perhaps there will even be a few goodies from our sponsors. 147 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: Thirteen fishing. Um, if you were really good, like really 148 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: really good, maybe you'll even find the Black Betty Freefall 149 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: Carbon tenth Anniversary Trick Shop Edition ice reel. Have you 150 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: seen that one? I know you have, Dude, I ache 151 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: for one of those, Man, I ache for one of those. 152 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: It's like this, like brilliant gold. It shines like a 153 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: thousand sons. It's like the Excalibur of the ice fishing world. 154 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: That exactly. It kicks so much, ass man. Yeah, it's yeah, 155 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: it's very bold. It's either excalibur like the real O 156 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: d B would use. Um, but despite it being a 157 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: bold statement piece, it's also highly functional. I probably should 158 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: have asked Santa for one. You know, it's never too late, 159 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: man Um. You might get a chance in a very 160 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: special edition of our Upid Fire Q and a segment 161 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: covering water. I'm going in. I can hold it all right. 162 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: So now, Joe, a couple of weeks ago, I set 163 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: up kind of a cool interview about the issues on 164 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: the Madison River and we both thought it went like 165 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: we both thought it went really well. Death I mean 166 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: kind of cool. I'm just kidding. It was great. It 167 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: was great. Okay, Well for this installment of covering water. 168 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: I've kind of set up something a little extra special, 169 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: and I'm oh, I'm really excited. Today we're joined by 170 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: a very remote guest all the way from the North Pole. 171 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: That's right, boys and girls, we're here with the one 172 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: and only Santa Claus. What's you're okay? Man? I'm fine. 173 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas? Oh right? Um? Like I said, we're here 174 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: with Santa and Joe. You said a certain someone might 175 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: want to say hi. Yeah, I was gonna. I was 176 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: gonna ask can my three year old say hi? Real quick? 177 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? That perfect? His name is? I know 178 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: what his name is? Right? Okay? Great? Hey, but come 179 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: me here for one second. If somebody I want you 180 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: to meet. Look who it is, Jamie? Who's that? Santa 181 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: rights so sleepy, he's real tired for making all the toys. 182 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: But kids know Santa's got a buzz on erge, what 183 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: a buzz? Actually? But what can you go downstairs? Why 184 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: don't you go downstairs for a little while? Okay, thanks buddy? 185 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: Come on, man, really, you guys just want to take 186 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: it from the top real quick. Yeah. I don't know 187 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: if you guys noticed, but it's Christmas Eve. Let's just 188 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: do the interview. Okay, so Hayden brought you in because 189 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: it turns out you're you're quite the avid angler. Now. 190 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: I know you're normally the one who asks this, but Santa, 191 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: what do you want for Christmas? Man? Well, Nick wants 192 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: is a trip to St. Bart's and some time off. 193 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, as soon as I get 194 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: done dropping off all this ship tonight, old Sandy Claus 195 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: is going to take a well deserved trip for some 196 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: billfits just me and Brandy. I mean, this is Claus. 197 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna chase some bone fish while you're down there, 198 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, I I hear it right there. I tried 199 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: the whole fly fishing for bone fish thing. That one 200 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: of those snot nosed twenty year old Instagram influencers womby 201 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: guys completely turned me off to that ship. Yeah well yeah, 202 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: that can that could be tough, um, but I guess 203 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: it's a good reminder for our listeners. Always make sure 204 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: you're booking it a really reputable guy, you know what 205 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean? You know, their kids had the audacity to 206 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: tell me that if I had a Helios three like him, 207 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: maybe I'd be able to get out ten more feet 208 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: of line and actually make a shot. Mother. The only 209 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: reason you have a human three is because I brought 210 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: it to you. You couldn't afford a gut damn monthly 211 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: stick on the shower you make pulling tourists around the apicle. Yeah, 212 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: I can see how that that might be. Um. And 213 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: you know what else, all of you stop asking for 214 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: fancy ass setups for Christmas? Do you know how many 215 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: cease of assist orders I get from Saint Croix? Do 216 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: you know how many elves I've lost a graphite dustin 217 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: resent fumes? Do you know how many times I had 218 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,479 Speaker 1: to take comfinitely time slay ride to avoid osha a lot? Okay, 219 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: stop it, Um, Maybe maybe we should just move on here. Okay, 220 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: let's just let's just all take a breath while I 221 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: explain exactly how covering water works. So this is our 222 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: rapid fire Q and a segment of ben. Okay, And 223 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: what Hayden and I are gonna do is gonna put 224 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: two minutes on the clock and we are just gonna 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: pepper you with questions. And the whole idea here is 226 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: that you don't really have any time to answer. You 227 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: can't think too hard. You just have to kind of 228 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: answer as quickly as you can. And what we'll do 229 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: at the end of this we promise um is to 230 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: give you one minute to expand or explain more about 231 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: whatever you think was the most damning answer. And and 232 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: based on how this has gone so far, I I 233 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: would I would expect that there's going to be some 234 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: damning answers. So does that all sound good? Sannah? I'm okay, perfectly. 235 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: We put two minutes on the clock here, Heyden, you're 236 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: gonna ask first, right, all right, let's see how this 237 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: goes and begin milk or cookies? What species of fish 238 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: is on your bucket list? How is that? How's that possible? Look? 239 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: I live in a magic group where all things are possible, 240 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: you idiot. But the permit is in all your years 241 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: of doing this, which lure has ended up in stockings 242 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: more than any other? I mean, it was a dirty 243 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: devil spoon for almost eighty years until some beside make 244 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: a crank bait that looks like a Budweiser kid. All right, uh, 245 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: favorite reindeer. I don't know yet. What what do you 246 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: mean you don't know yet? CWD man. We got a 247 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: new crew this year. They all got in c W. 248 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: D and died. No, it turns out was just blitz 249 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: and I had to test them all though. Whatever freezer 250 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: spul Holy shit, everyone is so consumed with clean energy, 251 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: yet you still rely heavily on cole Can you tell 252 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: us why you're kidding? Right? Really, that's your ethics question, 253 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: not the hundreds of years of forced the elephant labor. Look, 254 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: I got an endless supply of call up there. Okay, 255 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: you switch and putting hyper allergenic crystals or some ship 256 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: in the stockings of the kids that were asking Paul, 257 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: you're the cost of goods grows up? All right? Uh, 258 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: where's the one place you've always wanted to visit? Are 259 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: you fighting with me? I am literally going everywhere tonight. 260 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: What what your favorite fish eat? That's easy. I'm also 261 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: a big fan of Mah Dolphin like Flipper Dolphin. Yes, 262 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: Santa hates dolphins. Everybody, My man, who's the naughtiest angler 263 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: on your list this year? Ginger kids? You pay all 264 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: around with Ross robertson. What's your favorite lure of all time? Cricket? 265 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're running out of time here, best 266 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: gift you've ever got? Well, there's one of your Jack 267 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Frost and the heat and miser got together and got 268 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: me this huge cake. Right they lift in the middle 269 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: of the workshop. Now I'm about to cut into it 270 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: and boom, Candy pops out. And I'm not talking about 271 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Jolly Ranchers. I'm talking about Candy, one of the North 272 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: Pole dancers. Off alright, everyone, Uh, Santa Claus, Joe, you 273 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: want to wrap this up? And yeah, Santa, I, I I 274 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: know you're busy and I think you have to get going. 275 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: But fair is fair. You are supposed to have one 276 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: minute to expand on on any one of your answers. 277 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: Maybe you want to tell us a little bit more. Well, 278 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: let me just tell you a little bit more about Candy. 279 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: You know here it bent. We love the children. I 280 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: just really hope none we're listening to that, because you'll, dude, 281 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: you'll have three hundred kids at the mall next Christmas 282 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: asking Santa for Budweiser, crank baits and Michigan crickets. You 283 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. We might have We might have 284 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: done a disservice to the youth there. Yeah, in case. Uh. 285 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: You know, some listeners are extraordinarily ethical folks and have 286 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: never surrounded themselves with this type of company. A Michigan 287 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: cricket is a gigantic like weighted treble hook. It's like 288 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: an egg sink refused onto a treble hook, and it's 289 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: used to uh to snag fish. Now you can do 290 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: that like legally for like paddlefish, but most us of 291 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: the time you hear it talked about. It's in the 292 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: Great Lake salmon scene. Yeah, that's right, no offense Michigan. 293 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: But I did once I did want to see a 294 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania conservation officer pull about fifteen of those out of 295 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: his glove box and he'd collected them along Elk and 296 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: Walnut Creek in just a couple of days, you know 297 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I was like, I can't believe 298 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: it's that many. Pretty crazy, um, But you know what, 299 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of snagging, let's see who snagged the better fishing 300 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: related story in this week's fish News. Fish News that 301 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: escalated quickly. Alright, so real quick question for you, have 302 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: you ever gotten allure or some flies for Christmas? Right? 303 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: And then you stare at them all winter because you 304 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: know it's winter so you can't run out to use 305 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: the new hula popper. And then the first time you 306 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: ever get them out of the water, you lose them, Well, 307 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: let me tell you a story. Man. I know you 308 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: love my long winded stories. Uh. I do something more uh. 309 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: Kind of analogous to that is the Edison Show. You 310 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: know you can go there and you get a whole 311 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: bunch of flies for like show. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Man. 312 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Well I just got sick of being burned on not 313 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: having super small flies. So I went there one time 314 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: with like two bucks in my pocket. I was like, look, 315 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get all the midges. I'm gonna get all 316 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: like the little tiny baits. I'm gonna get all that 317 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: ship just taking care of right now. Went in, but 318 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: all the flies. Bought a fly box to put him in, 319 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: went out to the river, immediately lost the fly box. 320 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you lost the entire bod, entire thing. 321 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: It was one of the cool ones with like it 322 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: was like the aluminum and glass with like the windows 323 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: and ship the little flip the switch English switch stream 324 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: style stuff jacket ye switchblade and stream same thing. I 325 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: don't have a specific lore or fly story, but it 326 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: happened to me um in another in another capacity with 327 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: a remote control boat, like I got one of those 328 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: for Christmas. Neither of these are actually related to the question. No, 329 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: I started with the question They're not really it at all. 330 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: But I was told by my dad not to touch 331 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: it until spring, and he would take me out and 332 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: show me how to use it. Did I listen? No? 333 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: And I sunk it. No. It was a really sweet 334 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: like chriscraft sport fisher and it went around you hit 335 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: an iceberg. No, it literally, I ship you not. It 336 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: just went around in one circle. The bow dipped and 337 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: it literally just drove itself underwater. And then I watched 338 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: it underwater, still driving, spiraled down. It was a bad 339 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: deal anyway. Here's why I started. What is why I 340 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: brought up lost lures because if you happen to need 341 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: a break from your family over the holidays, just quick 342 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: note that the final episode of the Canadian Angle with 343 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: j Siemens drops today on meat Eater's YouTube channel. And 344 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: here's what he does. He don's full Scooba gear, He 345 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: goes diving on Lake of the Woods for lost lures, 346 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: refurbishes them, and then uses your misfortune to score himself 347 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: an epic muskie to close it, like you you gotta 348 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: see it right, And I thought the whole premise was 349 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: extremely clever the way he did that. Yeah, man, that 350 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: that's a that's badass, man. I grew up fishing lake 351 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: wall in paw Pack a bunch. And let's say it's 352 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: a hydroelectric dam. Is like, you know the reason for 353 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: this lake being here, so the water level changes like constantly. 354 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: And where I lived, there was this shoal that went 355 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: straight out along this weed bed, and every summer around, 356 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: like you know, August is when they would drop the 357 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: lake the lowest you could go out on that shoal. 358 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: In addition to picking up like pretty fresh props, I 359 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: mean some of them were dinged up. Occasionally you can 360 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: find like a nice clean prop. You would find all 361 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: sorts of lures and cool crank baits and ship just 362 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: going all the way. People that's their hobby, man, Like 363 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: that's just what they barely fish to just pick up lures. 364 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: But anyway, I thought that was really neat. You should 365 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: watch that. Let's get on with the news here. We're 366 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: gonna try and keep it light and perhaps Festivus. I 367 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: don't know I've gone Festivus, but I don't know where 368 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: you've gone. Because this is a competition and we don't 369 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: know which story the other dude grabbed and at the end, 370 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: jolly old sat Philip of the audious Engineericus Mountains will 371 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: declare a winner and it is your lead this week, 372 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: my man, So have at it. Oh right, man. So 373 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: you know it's not super festive. It's not festive. It's 374 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: not festivus, is it? No? No, unless you can consider, 375 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: like you know, the destruction of one of the most 376 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: important fisheries in the world a festive occasion. That what 377 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: fishery are we talking about? All right? So, so recently 378 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: it was recommended that there be a four fifth reduction 379 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: on the cod catch in one of the two primary 380 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: New England cod fisheries. Can you can blame the Italians 381 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: seven fishes back a lot, man, it's pretty much all 382 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: the Italian's fault. Yeah, man, so uh, darn Italians. I'm 383 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: very Italian. Please don't at me. On on December tenth, 384 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: the New England Fishery Management Council decided on a quota 385 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: of five hundred and forty thousand pounds um. And this 386 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: is of you know, Atlantic cod, down from a previous 387 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: quota of two point four million pounds. So again, yeah, yeah, 388 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: four fifth reduction. The reduction would be for the George's Bank, 389 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: Um the other primary Atlantic cod fishery that way, the 390 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: Gulf of Maine will see the quota, Uh, stay you 391 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: know stable from last year. I believe it's five hundred 392 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: and ninety thousand pounds. Now. Look, reductions like this in 393 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: the economic short term suck. But this kind of management 394 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: really is essential for long term conservation goals. Uh. And 395 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: to contextualize that, we can look back on a little 396 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: history of New England's cod fishery to understand why. And Joe, 397 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pass this to you in a second. It's 398 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: quite a history. Like yeah, it's yeah, so everybody likes cod. 399 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's a white, firm, flaky fish. It's good 400 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: to eat, it's not fishing. Everybody likes it, man, the 401 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: same reason everybody likes Yeah, the same reason everybody likes 402 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: you know. But which is like always been kind of 403 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: like a funny thing to me. It's like upper echelon 404 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: of edible fishes. They're defining like characteristic people be like, 405 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: it's not fishy at all. Man, you're right. But see, 406 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: I can't I can't rip on that too much because 407 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: we've said, I've said a bunch of times on the show. 408 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: I think you have to like you and I are 409 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: not fans of overly fishy fish. No man, no man. 410 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: There's a reason that when I get like sushi and 411 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: it's like a sushi like chef's assortment or like you know, 412 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: dinner where it's like, you know, ten pieces or whatever, 413 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm always like, hey, can you substitute the mackerel for like, yeah, 414 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: I need to say anything else, please assort the mackerel 415 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: off of the sushi platter than yah. Yeah. Um so. 416 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: But this was a resource that was hugely important. I mean, 417 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: it's been important in the context of history. In fact, 418 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: the dude who wrote the book Salt has that book cod. 419 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean, like, there's a lot of meat on that bone. Um. 420 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: But it was. It was a hugely valuable resource for 421 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: not only in the indigenous folks of America, but for 422 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: early settlers as well. Now fast forward to the twenty 423 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: century and super efficient commercial processing, you know, on boats, 424 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: coupled with more efficient fishing techniques, the fishery became over fished. 425 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: And I mean, you know a lot more about that 426 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: particular history than I do. Yeah, I mean I've I've 427 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: done some cod fishing out of Montauk back in the day. Um, 428 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: and Barber just caught a surprise cod. Well, I was 429 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: gonna say, so, yeah, Eric, what would you say? His 430 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: last name was Garber, Curber, leave it in, leave it 431 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: in Curber. I'm gonna go, is this erring after we 432 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: go fishing with him? I don't know, Maybe so bad? 433 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: It's okay? Uh yeah, man, Eric Cerber, my boy Eric, 434 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: he recently it was it was a very big cod 435 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: for Jersey and it was very close in shore. Because 436 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: he was talking, he wasn't like way off shore. But 437 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: I've done some of this out of mom talk. Um. 438 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: There was a time when the Jersey boats were advertising 439 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: cod trips again, but it was kind of bullshit. Like 440 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: basically what that meant was, we'll take you out to 441 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: the lying grounds and probably two or three codd will 442 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: end up on somebody's line, you know, but to say 443 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: we're going out to target them and we could spend 444 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: hours on this. But the bottom line is, like cod 445 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: was such an important fish throughout the Northeast recreationally for 446 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: so many years. I mean, the party boats made their money, 447 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: the recreational captains. I remember reading articles in the archives 448 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: the field and stream like in the dead of winter 449 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: when the stripers were all gone. Dudes on cape cod 450 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: to go out there and surf fish for pound cod 451 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: like in the waves on cape cod. Um. And I've 452 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: had some good cod fishing. But the consensus that you 453 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: talked to any old heads, it's like this is nothing 454 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: crap like this. You know. It's like if you want 455 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: to if your dream was to catch a forty pound cod, 456 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: that is extremely hard to do anymore, you know, right right. 457 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: So so back in the day, like in ninth We're 458 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: gonna go to nineteen seventy six real quick. In nineteen 459 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: seventies six, the Magnuson Act, And this is what contributed 460 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: to a lot of like the pressure and a lot 461 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: of like the commercial over fishing. In nineteen seventy six, 462 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: the Magnuson Act. UH. It prohibited foreign operations from fishing 463 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: within the Exclusive Economic Zone of the United States. UH 464 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: the easy right, and the easy includes all fisheries within 465 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: two hundred miles of the U. S. Coast. Now you 466 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: would think that that would do you know, that would 467 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: alleviate the pressure. Well, yes, and no, I mean sure 468 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: from like foreign commercial fleets eliminated all that pressure unilaterally. UM. 469 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: But because folks got so excited about like the lack 470 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: of you know, international competition, the U S Fleet expanded 471 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: in the pressure on the resource within that two hundred 472 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: mile like buffer zone intensified. Yeah, it's it's a it's 473 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: a very like you're it's so back in the day. 474 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a thing called the cod or has 475 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: been raging forever. But yeah, back in the day, like 476 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: you'd have Russian boats on Georgia's bank, like from you know, 477 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: it was insane, but you're right, that's exactly what happened. 478 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: They got all them out, and everybody's like, well now, 479 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: my mid my, my mind, my mind. And it was 480 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: such an economic driver that that's exactly what happened. We 481 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: we overfished them, We got them out and overfished in ourselves, 482 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: you know. Right. So since then, or maybe not since then, 483 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: but you know, within the wake of that act um 484 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: in the last forty years or so, the decline UH 485 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: intake has been sort of like precipitous. To contextualize that, 486 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, right, annual catches typically topped a 487 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: hundred million pounds of common and then after a crashing, 488 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, the nineties, not not so much. Um. Now, 489 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: there is a lot of these conservation stories. Man, they're 490 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: like so doom and gloom that I feel like it 491 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: gets people unenthusiastic about good changes that are being made, 492 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: even if they're difficult changes. Right. Some people like the 493 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: react and is oh, well, like I'll never go do 494 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: that because it's just so messed up. Some people throw 495 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: their hands up and say, well, if it's this messed 496 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: up already, why not make hay and while the sun 497 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: shines yaum. But there is good news uh per noah um. 498 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: In the Gulf of Maine fishery, a tenuere rebuilding plan 499 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: has been implemented for this stock and the stock is 500 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: targeted to rebuild by twenty four golf main, as I 501 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: understand it, they have the best thing going, Like, that's 502 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: the best cod fishery in the Northeast right now is 503 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: in the Gulf Main. Yeah, and this has been the 504 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 1: second you know, this is the second rebuilding plan for 505 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: this stock. So, I mean it's something that you know, 506 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: folks have had their eye on and they've been trying 507 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: to you know, perpetuate the resource now with continued careful management. 508 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: Back to what we're talking about, which is this you 509 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: know four five quota slash on George's bank. The George's 510 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: bank stock is scheduled to rebuild by So a lot 511 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: of these like management programs people have like the idea 512 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: of like, okay, we'll implement these cuts that like is 513 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: no there are no fun for anybody, and then we'll 514 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: see what happens. You know, it's important to remember that, 515 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, similar to like, uh, you know, the other 516 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: week we covered you know, the macinaw in the Flathead Lake. YEP. 517 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: There are defined conservation goals attached to these plans, and 518 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: when these plans are successful and that goal is met, 519 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: you got something a lot better than that resource that 520 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: wasn't doing so well before these plans were implemented. So, 521 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, take your medicine and weal come out with 522 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: a better thing. Um. You know. Another interesting like kind 523 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: of thing to note is kind of how we consume 524 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: fish in the effect that it has on fisheries. UM. 525 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: For instance, speaking of like you know, to keep it 526 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: on cod, a shift to the more stable and economical 527 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: polock has taken a lot of pressure off the cod fisheries. Uh. 528 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: To contextualize that McDonald's fish filet was cod now pollock. 529 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Well, maybe I was not aware that McDonald's 530 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: filet of fish was ever truly caught. I thought it 531 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: was cod from Alaska, but that's neither here nor there. Um. 532 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: You know. The funny thing is I haven't had a 533 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: piece of cod in probably ten years, and the last 534 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: time I ate it, I caught it. Because if I 535 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: see it in a fish market, it's usually too expensive, 536 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: and if I see it on a menu, I just 537 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: don't ever believe that it's cod because I know so 538 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: much about the cod fishery. I'm like, really, this is 539 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: twenty bucks a pound in the fish market, but I 540 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: can have the all I can eat cod fish and chips. 541 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: I doubt it. But the truth is there's nothing wrong 542 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: with pollock. It always gets downplayed like that's not as good. 543 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: Pollock is delicious, and there's a lot more of them, 544 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: you know. Do you know what the fish filet was 545 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: even before cod? This is the second switch? Do you 546 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: know what the fish filet was made with? Originally? I don't, 547 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna take a wild stab dog fish. No. No, 548 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: The first thing that the McDonald's fish filet was made 549 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: of was actually hell of it. Oh oh, and then 550 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: they got Yeah, that makes a lot of Well, here's 551 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: one final note on on cod. You know, everybody's like, 552 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, fresh cod. There's nothing like fresh cod. 553 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: You ask anybody who's ever caught a cod. Ever, it 554 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: is extremely rare to catch one that is not riddled 555 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: with worms. Almost every cod is full of worms. Now 556 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: they're big worms, and you can there's a method to 557 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: get them out. They'll crawl right out. But still, I'll 558 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: never forget the first time I ever went cod fish 559 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: and put them in a brine. I actually wrap them 560 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: in a paper towel, and a lot of times they'll 561 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: just come out on their own in the fridge. Yeah, 562 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a few different ways. But I 563 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: remember I caught a pile of it off Mont Talk. 564 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: My my wife, who was just my girlfriend at the time, 565 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: was living in New York City, and I brought all 566 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: this cod to her apartment and the girl should live 567 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: with I was like, I am making you ladies fresh CODs. 568 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: Tonight busted out the flats and it was just like 569 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: freaking orange worms everywhere, and it was a total turn off. 570 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me, but a lot of people, if 571 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: they knew like even if you buy fancy cod, that 572 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: ship had worms in it before it got to you, guarantee. 573 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: Speaking of unexpected and surprisingly brightly colored, man, I know 574 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: you've seen this a bunch of I'm sort of familiar 575 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: with it, but I don't understand the nuances of it. 576 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: Every now and again you will see an electric blue 577 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: cod down to the color of the filet. Do you 578 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: know what? But you know I've seen that. I don't 579 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: know what causes it though, I don't know if it's 580 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: if it's diet or what. But I mean, I imagine 581 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: that pigmentation has to be somewhat similar to like how 582 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: don't ling mouths on the West Coast like during certain phases. 583 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I'm I'm making ship up. I 584 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: don't know why that happens. But I have seen that before. 585 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: There's also bright blue lobsters. That's a real prize thing 586 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: up there, See, listeners, we don't know everything. We don't. 587 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna I thought I was gonna 588 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: tee you up and you're gonna hit it out of 589 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: the park, man, I was, I thought, I don't. I 590 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: don't know anything about a blue cod. Man, I don't 591 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: know that's what that ship is whacked. How about let's 592 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's say I'm gonna get a little 593 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: more festive and I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna this is 594 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: a little more uplifting, I guess, um, and just just 595 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: a little more festive in general. And um, I'm gonna 596 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: have to uh kick it back to Santa Claus here. 597 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: So I know, we just talked to Santa and he 598 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: had told us he wanted to go bill fishing somewhere. 599 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: But but he must not have gotten the memo yet 600 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: because it's apparently already been determined where he'll be fishing 601 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: on December. And here's how it was determined. Berkeley Fishing 602 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: teamed up with Santa for quite the contest, and here's 603 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: the gist in Santa's own voice, via Berkeley's website. I 604 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: love to fish. I've been fishing all around the world, 605 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: and this year I thought I'd try to find someplace 606 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: new and exciting. So I asked my friends at Berkeley 607 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: Fishing if they could help me find the location that 608 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: is the best fishing spot, and they said that they 609 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: would love to do that. Santa sounds different in that 610 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like he's like kindler, gentler, more cohering, 611 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: you know. Anyway, Yeah, let you let you exactly um anyway. Naturally, 612 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm always intrigued when like the best fishing towns or 613 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: trout towns or striper towns or whatever are ranked, right, 614 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: and this style of clickbait journalism is it's like rampant. 615 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: Now you can find a list of the of the 616 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: five best cities for anything these days, like five best 617 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: cities for people who love socks, best places to later 618 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: if you hate pet stores, you know whatever. Anyways, what 619 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: Berkeley did was that they put out a call for 620 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: town submissions. That was step one, and they told me 621 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: they received more than forty town nominations from they whittled yeah, yeah, yes, 622 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: but still forty okay um. From those, they whittled down 623 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: the list to the following five locations where Santa could 624 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: end up. So these were the choices. Heartwell, Georgia, which 625 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: is home of Heartwell Lake and that's a pretty epic 626 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: bass fishery Huntsville, Alabama. That's also some killer bass fishing 627 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: and crappy fishing down there. Springfield, Illinois and which honestly, 628 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: nothing is jumping out at me regarding famed fisheries in Springfield. 629 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: But that's okay because, as we'll learn, um, these towns 630 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: weren't just chosen based on having a big time local fishery. 631 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: There were other reasons for the decision. Other choices last 632 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: to Long Beach, California, which is on the coast just 633 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: south of l A. And finally Panama City Beach, Florida. 634 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: So the next phase of the contest was that they 635 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: asked people to vote on one of those five location 636 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: on Santa Arsanta definitely would have gone to Panama City. Yeah, 637 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's a party town, right, it's 638 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: party town. Um. And and so you vote and Santa 639 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: will will roll into whichever town wins on December. Um. 640 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: And it turns out here is where Santa is actually going. 641 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: Long Beach, California scored the most votes, which doesn't totally 642 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: rule out bill Fish for old st Nick Like it's 643 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: it's a long run, but Swordfish qualifies, right, he can 644 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: fly can fly his slay over to Catalina with the 645 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: eight wide and dance with a broad bill. Um. Anyway, there, 646 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: there's there's more to the picture than just Santa showing 647 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: up to Fish. As I mentioned, there's um more than 648 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: than just the fishery involved in these locations. So Berkeley 649 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: is donating up to twenty five thousand dollars to the 650 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: winning community and that can be used for anything fishing 651 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: related that they want. So um. The locations were also 652 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: very much tied to community needs. That money can be 653 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: used for conservation right or to promote fishing in the area. 654 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: So um, it's all for killer calls a matter of fact. 655 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: On the website, they explained that these specific organizations that 656 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: would benefit in each location, and here's what it said. 657 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: For Long Beach, a vote for Long Beach, California will 658 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: help El Dorado Regional Park purchase specific items related to 659 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: fishing and conservation education about the lake and wilderness. Additionally, 660 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: prize money will be used to help purchase items to 661 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: help preserve wildlife throughout the park. So that's pretty damn cool. 662 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: Man Like, that's just all around cool um cool contest. 663 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: Sana is also showing up with mountains and mountains of 664 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: tackle in gear Um and Berkeley. If he's late or something, 665 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: obviously we have a direct line to him as well, 666 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll give him a kick 667 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: in the rs if need be. But I thought that 668 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: was great. That's a really cool contest. Yeah, man, I 669 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: mean so many of these events are not only do 670 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: they they kind of like highlight you know, certain fisheries 671 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: and like are they're sure they're good for content, right, 672 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: like you know you're gonna go out there and you're 673 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have a good time fishing or whatever. 674 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: But I really love it when they tie in like 675 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: all that conservation and bring attention to like a region 676 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: that you might not think of as as somewhere that 677 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: there is like some significant like fishing to be you know, 678 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: either improved from a public image standpoint or from a 679 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: constitution standpoint exactly exactly. And I think that's what's so 680 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: so cool about what they've done here. Initially you look 681 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: at that list and you're like, oh, I understand this spot, 682 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: understand this spot. Wait why here? But then if you 683 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: really read further into the specific reason that those five 684 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: were chosen, they're all very good reasons that would have 685 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: benefited um a lot of local anglers. So props for that. 686 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: And now I guess we'll we'll kick it over to 687 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: Phil for his Christmas Eve judgment. Hey Phil, what's what's 688 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: Santa bringing you? We'd love to know. And then as 689 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: soon as Phil finishes explaining it to all of us 690 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: non gamers, we've got a lovely, heartwarming Hallmark Channel ready 691 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: Christmas message from our dear friend river Horse. So for 692 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: Christmas this year, I asked Santa for an uplifting and 693 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: topical fish news story, and only one of you brought 694 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: that to me this week. Joseph Mellie, you're the winner. 695 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: And Hayden, I'm not too upset with you for trading 696 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: your holographic chancy for those two common Pikachu cards. You 697 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: know why because I was the guy that made that 698 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: trade with you all those years ago. Great a sucker, 699 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for patting my kids college savings account. Merry Christmas. Hey, Now, 700 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: this is river Horse with some sagely wisdom coming to 701 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: you from the far North Arctic Circle in Swedish lap Plan, 702 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: where all of the reindeer on this earth originated from. 703 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm on a little winter adventure with this mid try. 704 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: Is it cold, you ask, my lord, Let's just say 705 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: this place is set to chill. Speaking of all things chill, 706 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: perhaps this holiday season finds you cut up in this 707 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: sometimes bizarre Gonzo and beautiful hurricane of extended family hooplah 708 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: with all the loosens of making a living to navigate, 709 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: which for something can be a wee bit overwhelming. Oh 710 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: you just be it, no mine, Just calm your soul. 711 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: Late at night, after everyone else falls asleep, you just 712 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: quietly slip on out the back door, take a deep breath, 713 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: look up at the shimmering stars, and remember how lucky 714 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: we are to be here. There are millions of miles 715 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: of rivers, lakes and oceans with fish out there waiting 716 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: for you. As for me, I'm about to put a 717 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: kettle of snow water over this birch wood fire and 718 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 1: brew up some hot chocolate. Always say yes to whip 719 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: cream on top. Baby. Then I'll curl up on this 720 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: forest floor of pine needles in a sub zero down 721 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: sleeping bag and dream away of ten pound bass, all 722 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: lips and hips. Here's to you, my brothers and sisters. 723 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: I will see you along the path in I believe 724 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: in you. You got this, And remember you don't always 725 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: have to find the catch up a lifetime. Just find 726 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: someone and get on under the mistletoe, and oh, my lordy, 727 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: make it happen. River Hoards is genuinely the only dude 728 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: I know who can go from like an uplifting holiday 729 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: message to like straight up sensual in the span of 730 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: three words. No, dude, I know, and that's that's why 731 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: we love the guy. Like you come away from that 732 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: like did I even hang mistiletoe? Because I need to 733 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: get on that ship right now. Anyway, before we sign off, 734 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: We've got an end of the line that I'm particularly 735 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: excited about. Okay, So last Christmas, I did one on 736 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: the Panther Martin spinner and talked about how I used 737 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: to get them every Christmas from my uncle. And I 738 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: ended that by saying the story I was telling about 739 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: the panther and how near and dear it was to 740 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: my heart could easily be told similarly by someone else 741 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: that grew up throwing an entirely different brand of spinner, 742 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: And wouldn't you know it, our own Hayden Samak is 743 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: that different someone? Well, that's not loud enough. My earliest 744 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: memories are mostly fishing small streams with my dad and 745 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: my brother and my grandpa. We might have been fishing 746 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: for you know, Sonny's stockers or small news, but one 747 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: thing remained constant at the end of our lines always 748 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: a Swiss swing. Now, a Swiss swing is an inline 749 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: spinner with a brass bead body in silver, gold or 750 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: copper color, blade and bossed with scales and the words 751 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: Swiss swing. My brother and I grew up fishing them 752 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: almost exclusively. I assumed everyone knew what a Swiss swing was, 753 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: and I carry that assumption with me right up to 754 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: the point that I sat down to write this long 755 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: story short. I couldn't find any information on the spinner. 756 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: I couldn't find out who manufactured him, let alone how 757 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: they were developed. It became clear that if I wanted 758 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: to know more about this spinner, I was going to 759 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: have to look somewhere else. So I started researching a 760 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: similar but apparently more well known spinner called the Cpie 761 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: Swing in the Pantheon of great spinners, the Cpece Swing 762 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: is a cult classic, but oddly not much information exists 763 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: on the history of this spinner either. So I went 764 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: down yet another rabbit hole, which took me all the 765 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: way to the advent of inline spinner itself. It was 766 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: French engineer Andre Milnar who developed and patented the first 767 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: in line spinners. Eventually, a guy named Todd Sheldon started 768 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: selling them in the US, and in ye bought Millner's 769 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: company outright. That company was and is still known as Maps. 770 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: Now this is not a story about maps, but Maps specifically. 771 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: The Maps Shimmy might have played an important role in 772 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: the development of the CP Swing. If we look at 773 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: Milnar's original patent for the Maps Shimmy next to an 774 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: image of the Cpiece Swing, you will notice that the 775 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: Cpece Swing bears a striking resemblance to Milnar's drawings. As 776 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: I've said before, a history of the Cpece Swing is 777 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 1: hard to come by, and this might be the reason 778 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: for that. Comparing the two, I think it would be 779 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: fair to assume that the Cpece Swing was in fact 780 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: a knockoff of Milnar's original design for the METS Shimmy. 781 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: The fact that genuine CP swings are advertised as made 782 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: in France also points to this as a possibility. Perhaps 783 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,240 Speaker 1: this is why a detailed history of the popular lure 784 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: is so hard to come by. The CP Swing is 785 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: probably a knockoff of an early map, and to that end, 786 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,760 Speaker 1: we're nearly done unpacking a very unofficial and speculative history 787 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,919 Speaker 1: of the Swiss Swing. Now I want to add one 788 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: thing in here. I noticed that in the forums and 789 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: online classifieds I was researching, many folks discussing and advertising 790 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: Swiss swings are based in the Northeast, and the majority 791 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,919 Speaker 1: are located in my home state of Pennsylvania. This could 792 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: be the final piece of the puzzle. Listeners, together we 793 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: may have solved the mystery of why I know these 794 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: inline spinners as Swiss Swings. It seems one of the 795 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: talismans of my childhood is in fact a regional knockoff 796 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: of a knockoff made in some factory somewhere by someone, 797 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: though no one can tell you exactly who. Again, I 798 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 1: amt all of this is wildly speculative. If you know 799 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: something I don't write me. I'd be glad to hear 800 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: from someone who knows better than I. But to be 801 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: honest with you, the lack of definitive origin has quickly 802 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: become one of my favorite things about this familiar little spinner, 803 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: because in trying to uncover that origin, I've found the 804 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: story of the Swiss swing is written entirely by those 805 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: who use it. I want to end with something else 806 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: I discovered in my research a surprising and shared sentimentality 807 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: of the Swiss Swing. Folks wrote, oh Man that spinner 808 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 1: caught an absolute ton of Smalley's for Dad and I 809 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: in Cayuga, that back in the day, it's the only 810 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: spinner we used on trout, and they killed him. There 811 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,879 Speaker 1: were dozens of anecdotes just like this, penned by all 812 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 1: sorts of fishermen, and most of them framed a little 813 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: spinner as a treasured part of their past. It seems 814 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: that I'm not alone in my fondness and nostalgia for 815 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,399 Speaker 1: the Swiss Swing, and that speaks to a paradox I've 816 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: noticed within these more sentimental aspects of fishing, there are 817 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: certain things that fishermen will experience that are at once 818 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: deeply personal and somehow ubiquitous. Perhaps that's why, as fisherman, 819 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: we're able to meet a stranger on a river bank 820 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: and within minutes know them. Did you grow up fishing 821 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: a lure no one else seems to know about? Shoot 822 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,439 Speaker 1: us a note at Bent at the Meat eater dot 823 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: com and tell us what personal favorite was at the 824 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: end of your line. So that's it for the Christmas 825 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: Eve version of Bent. We hope all of you have 826 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: a wonderful time with your friends and family, full of 827 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: holiday cheer, copious amounts of eggnog, and plenty of glazed 828 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: ham My friends. You know I got hammered once on eggnog, 829 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: and I really really don't recommend it. If you thought 830 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,359 Speaker 1: a white Russian hangover is grossy, the whole a mother thing. 831 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeahs are slightly thicker than the Russian. Slightly, it's heavy. 832 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: It's more of a simping drink, I've come to learn. 833 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: But what I do recommend is sending a bar nomination, 834 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: awkward photo, sale, bin item, newspiece, or question to Bent 835 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: at the meat eat dot com. You know I can 836 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: speak for Joe I say this we love hearing from 837 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, I can also speak for myself to 838 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,439 Speaker 1: and say we sure we surely do. Also keep using 839 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on the gram 840 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: perhaps tag a fishy something Santa left you, and from 841 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: the bottom of our degenerate hearts, wells books, books, Merry Christmas.