1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: Here's the story. I'm not sure why it's a story, 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: but it's a big story, or at least it's it's 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: being talked about on social media. So the reporter for 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars is named Lynn Jones. She works for the 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Jacksonville Free Press, and following the loss by the Jags 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 2: to the Buffalo Bills, Jones, the reporter offered support and 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: some positive words to head coach Liam. 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: Cohen tent tail. You congratulations on your success, young man. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: You hold your head up, all right. You guys have 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: had a most magnificent season. He did a great job 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: out there today. So you just hold your head up. Okay, 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, douvall you don't want all right, keep 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 3: it going. We got another season, okay, appreciate take care, 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: much continued success to you and the entire team. 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 4: Thank you. 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 5: Man. 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: She's been in broadcasting broadcast journalism prover three decades. She 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: is the associate editor and sales team manager for the 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: Jacksonville Free Press. I think she's also done some hosting 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: and TV as well. I don't know her. I don't 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: think that i've met her. But here is the point 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: that is being made by a lot of either host, 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: former players, analyst. A lot of debate with this. Should 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: you be saying this in a press conference. You're a 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: member of the media, and yes, Jacksonville just lost. You're 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: a hometown reporter, but you're still a journalist. Your job 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: is to ask questions, to get answers from Liam Cohen 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: and then you put it in your article. 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: That's what your job is. 32 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: You're not a former player who plays for Jacksonville played 33 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: for It's not like Tony Vasselli. If he went there 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: and said that in a press conference, no one would 35 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: have a problem with that. But if you're a reporter 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: and you're saying this, you can say it in a 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: way that you do. You almost want Liam Cohen to 38 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: tell you what he accomplished this year if you just 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: put it in question form coach tough loss. Can you 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: put it into words? You know what you've done this year? 41 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: So now you've let him kind of tell you what 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: you are already telling him in that clip that I 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: just played for you. And this is this is different 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: than if Tony Dungee says something about Mike Tomlin or 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: to Mike Tomlin or Rodney Harrison says something about the 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: New England Patriot. They're former players. This is a press 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: conference and you're a journalist. Now, look, I don't root. 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: I don't root. I didn't like it when Stewart Scott 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: rooted openly rooted, or Chris Berman openly rooted. 50 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: I didn't like it. 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: But hey, they had their own agenda. I'm sure there 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: are things that they didn't like of my approach here, 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: but it shouldn't be a big deal. I think this 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: reporter was very compassionate and it was a tough loss, 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: and she said it and she's been there in the 56 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: community for over thirty years. Okay, it's not what we 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: should be doing, but it's not the end of the world. 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: And now you've got people who are you know, saying, 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: oh you old journalist, and you guys you know your 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: days are numbered and polar cred you know, you know 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: there we need journalism, We need people asking questions. I've 62 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: admitted I got too close to players before paid the price. 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: You know you can't do it because you you know, 64 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: I got too close to Jason Johnby and Mark maguire. 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: And then when I had to report on them. Then 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I lost friendships. But that's on me. 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 2: That's on me. So I've done this firsthand. But I'm 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: not openly rooting for you. I mean, Kurt Warner went 69 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl with their Arizona and I did 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: an interview with him that season. I said, if you 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: take them to the super Bowl, you're going to go 72 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: to the Hall of Fame. And that's exactly what happened. 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: But you know what I did after that Super Bowl. 74 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: I went to Kurt Warner privately and told him that 75 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: was an incredible job, and you are going to the 76 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Not at the press conference. You could 77 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: still pull him aside if you want to talk to 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: the coach. Hey, coach, I just want you to know 79 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: what you've meant to this community. But this isn't hey, 80 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: you know, the old school journalist. No, we still need 81 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: people who ask questions. Not everybody has to be a cheerleader, 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 2: and former players are not journalists. Don't expect them to be. 83 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: You know, people would pile on Pat mcavie. You got 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: to ask, you know, Aaron Rodgers tough questions. Pat's an entertainer. 85 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: I'm not expecting him to ask the questions that I 86 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: would ask. It gets a paid interview, you have him, 87 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: come on, you talk, let him talk. Okay, there's a 88 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: reason why he wanted to keep going back on those 89 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: shows that show he got freedom to say what he 90 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: wanted to say. 91 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: But that's Pat's show. I don't have any problem with that. 92 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of ironic too, because Lynn Jones probably 93 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 6: did and got one of the realest things to happen 94 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 6: in a postgame press conference in years, where like actual 95 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 6: human emotion and interaction rather than the same robotic answers 96 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 6: that every journalist in the room is going to. 97 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 4: Coach, How does this what does it feel like? Coach? Coach? 98 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: Looking forward to next year? Coach? What's the what's the 99 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: planned coach? Coach? 100 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 6: What are you going to do in the other all 101 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 6: the same crap that people ask every single press conference. 102 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: It's a totally different thing. 103 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: And the approach in these press conferences to so called 104 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: journalism has changed dramatically. I don't know if it's for 105 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: the good. I mean, that's for you, the consumer. My 106 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: approach will be my approach for the next at least 107 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: the next two years. But that's what I teach at 108 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: my broadcasting school, whatever you do after that, I want 109 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: to give you the foundation of what you should do 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: when you go to a press conference. You're not there 111 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: to be cheering in the press box. You're not there 112 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: to be cheering in a press conference. But it became 113 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: like this back and forth on social media. And that's 114 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: what was surprising is I think it came from a 115 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: good place with her that yes she was proud, and 116 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: yes it was a local reporter, but that's where you know, 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: I pull you aside and say, I hope you understand 118 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: exactly what you did for this community and be proud 119 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: and hold your head up. But you know, to make 120 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: it like this is Nixon Frost debate. Yeah, POLLI yeah. 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 7: When I heard it yesterday and I saw how I 122 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 7: was posted, I'll get to that. Like I both thought that, wow, 123 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 7: it was really sweet what she said, and also that 124 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 7: journalists are not supposed to do that in press conferences, 125 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 7: and everyone knows that it's not even the debate that 126 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 7: you're not supposed to handle questions or statements that way. 127 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: But what she said was really sweet. 128 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 7: I didn't think Adam Schefter did her any favors when 129 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 7: he posted this is an awesome postgame exchange between a 130 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 7: reporter and head coach Liam Cohen. He gave no context 131 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 7: to the person asking how old they were, how long 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 7: they've been there? And people came after this reporter and 133 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 7: it took me a while to look up how long 134 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 7: she'd been there. I took a minute. But schefter did 135 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 7: her no favors and posting it that way. 136 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, and. 137 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: This isn't ay. 138 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: I got my show and I get to treat my 139 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: guests this way. This is a reporter. It's different. We 140 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: have to play by different rules. We're not cheerleaders. It's 141 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: not like Teddy Bruski's on the Mothership and he's saying 142 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: nice things about the Patriots. 143 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 4: He's a former Patriot. 144 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: You have to approach this as fair as you possibly can, 145 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: because I always thought, when you're watching Sports Center, I 146 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: want to make sure you know that I don't have 147 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: a bias. I don't have a bias against your team 148 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: or you know, for your team. 149 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: I don't. 150 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: I don't want you to ever think that because when 151 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: somebody says, oh, who you want to win? 152 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 8: I go. 153 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. It doesn't you know. 154 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: Case in point, when we're at Notre Dame, you can't 155 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: help it, like Marcus Freeman. But if USC won that game, 156 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: it's content. If Miami wins the national title, I don't care. 157 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: I mean, Indiana's a great story, but if Miami wins, 158 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: it's it's still a great story. That's that's what I'm 159 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: in the storytelling business. But you're not in the business 160 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: of rooting. And I'm guilty of this. It's hard not 161 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: to do it, and people want access. How do you 162 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: get access by being nice to people? By saying nice 163 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: things about people? I mean, there are people won't come 164 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: on this show, but you know there are reasons. And 165 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: it's not that I didn't do my job. It's that 166 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: I do my job at least what I think is 167 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: my job, and this is my show. My approach is 168 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: different than throw out other hosts how Jim Rome or 169 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: Colin does him his or you know the ESPN Morning Show. 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody that's your territory, do what you want. 171 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 5: Yes, ton, I appreciate what she had to say, and 172 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 5: I understand the form isn't the best place. What if 173 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 5: you were a journalist covering the team and you had 174 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 5: a tough question that you were ready to ask right 175 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 5: after she said that, you would look like such a jerk. 176 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 5: How'd you guys blow that you could have beat the Bills? 177 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 5: What happened after she just gave the flowers to him? 178 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 5: You almost can't ask the question there. 179 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: That's tough, no, But I don't know what tough question 180 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: you'd be asking that, you know. I mean, this is 181 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: a team that probably felt a year ahead schedule. There 182 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: they it's a great story, great story, and nobody's going 183 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: to take Jacksonville lightly next year. But I mean you 184 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: want to ask tough questions the Packers after they lost, 185 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: that would be the place where you're asking some tough questions. 186 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: Here is Matt Lafleur, Green Bay head coach. 187 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 9: Well, obviously this one is going to hurt for a really, 188 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 9: really long time. You know, when you are in complete 189 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 9: control of a football game and the flip, the script 190 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 9: gets flipped in the second half and it was a 191 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 9: lot of self inflicted things, and you know, give credit 192 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 9: to them. 193 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 8: We knew they were a team that could come back 194 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 8: and fight. 195 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 9: I mean, they've proved it all season long, and we 196 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 9: had opportunities to kind of put them away, and we 197 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 9: didn't get it done. 198 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: He got asked quite a few times about coming back 199 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: next year he's going to be in the final year 200 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: of his contract. But you know, these are tough questions. 201 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: But this is big boy business. They get paid to 202 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: answer these questions. You got to ask the questions, and 203 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: you know how you ask it. I mean, you may 204 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: dress it up a little bit so it doesn't sound 205 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,359 Speaker 2: as penetrating, but you still have to ask these questions. 206 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: And yes, it is uncomfortable. And I've you know, I 207 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: got yelled at by Don Shula one time, the great 208 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: Don Shula, because I asked a question and he didn't 209 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: like the way I asked it, almost as if to say, 210 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: who were you to ask me that question? And he's 211 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: probably right. I mean, I was young in the business. 212 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: But you know, you got to ask questions because you've 213 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: got to serve your audience, your readers. 214 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 4: Remember when they used to read newspapers. 215 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: God, the Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Post Gazette is folding man's that's 216 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: unbelievable in that town, as valuable as that newspaper was. Yes, Marvin, yeah, 217 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: I remember growing up the sports reporters. They were big. 218 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 5: I know, I remember being starstrug when I met Bob 219 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 5: Ryan and my cousin was like you're such a geek. 220 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 4: It's pathetic. I was like, oh my god. Bob Ryan 221 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: from the Boston Globe, he. 222 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, he's a writer Chad in Salt Lake 223 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: key Tips for a living. 224 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: Hey Chad, Hey, how you doing, guys? Good? 225 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 10: So when you read her job description, she and maybe 226 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 10: started out as a reporter, but is now in the 227 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 10: sales side. She's there. You know, she's there as a 228 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 10: fan that just happened to have a press credential. I'm 229 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 10: assuming maybe I shouldn't assue that, but it feels that way. 230 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 10: I've been in that boat. I worked in sports radio 231 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 10: on the sales side. I would love to do what 232 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 10: you guys do, but I saw who drives some nicer cars, 233 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 10: so I moved to the sales side years ago. You know, 234 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 10: it's it just just like she was there as a fan. 235 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: Accurate, accurate, one hundred percent accurate. Thank you, Chad. 236 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 8: Yeah. 237 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: Are there moments where you know a reporter is hugging 238 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: somebody after a game or whatever. 239 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, there's yes, all of these. 240 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: I just think you have to have there have to 241 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: be lines here, like there has to be, you know, 242 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: guardrails where you're able to ask these questions. 243 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna you know, I don't have any problem. 244 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: If she's that emotional and invested and you know she'd 245 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: let those emotions out, it's okay. 246 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 4: But now this is a referendum on old school news. 247 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 11: School. 248 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: This is no you know, nobody cares about you, old journalist. 249 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: And maybe that's true. 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That's nine times in Mike tommins career. 271 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 11: That ties Marty Schottenheimer, who's long remembered for all the. 272 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 8: One and done's, you know, with that dubious record. 273 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 11: And you know, five times in the playoffs the last 274 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 11: six years. I mean, obviously, you know, people here around 275 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 11: here think the sky is falling because they haven't won 276 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 11: a playoff game, and to them, I understand why, but 277 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 11: it's just it's kind of the same, the same scene 278 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 11: every year, get into postseason and then not only get eliminated, 279 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 11: but you know, they're really I know, the Texans scored 280 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 11: two touchdowns in the last four minutes, but the games 281 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 11: are never really competitive. And you know, I you know, Dan, 282 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 11: people always say you don't make change for the sake 283 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 11: of change, and the Steelers didn't make this change. Mike 284 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 11: Tomlan decided to step down, but it was time to 285 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 11: make a change just for the sake of change. You 286 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 11: couldn't continue if your ownership. I don't know how you 287 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 11: could have just sat there and watched the same old 288 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 11: thing happen again. And you know, Mike Tomlin made a 289 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 11: decision for them. 290 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: Do you think it was completely his decision. 291 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 11: Here, I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that, Dan, 292 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 11: because I don't always think that's the case. 293 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 8: But I will say this. 294 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 11: I have been told from the top that the Steelers 295 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 11: retain his rights, and that would mean that he stepped down, 296 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 11: that they didn't fire him. You know, that would be 297 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 11: a different, different scenario. So I'm going to go on 298 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 11: that with the with the idea that he did step down, 299 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 11: and from everybody I heard, including some of the players, 300 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 11: that seems to be the case. 301 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 8: I don't think. 302 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 11: I don't think they told him, look, we'll let you 303 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 11: what you know, we want you out, but we'll let 304 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 11: you step down. I don't think that's the case. But 305 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 11: I'm still still open to the buzz of Delly. 306 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: So what's next for Tomlin? 307 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 8: I don't know. 308 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 11: You know, Dan, everybody wants to think that, you know, 309 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 11: he's going to be He's perfect for TV and that's 310 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 11: where he's going to go. Look, you know, he and 311 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 11: I don't sit down and have those discussions. 312 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: But. 313 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 11: I've never gotten the indication that that's something on his radar, 314 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 11: and I don't know if he wants to continue coaching. 315 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 11: That's what I'm gonna, you know, obviously find out here 316 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 11: in the next cup days. I don't know what his 317 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 11: plans are because I haven't had a chance to talk 318 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 11: to him, but I you know, Mike, Mike Thommins a 319 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 11: football junkie, and I would almost I would expect him to, 320 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 11: you know, want to go coach again. But I guess 321 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 11: we're going to find out. Nineteen years in one place, 322 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 11: let's face it, a long time, and I never got 323 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 11: any sense that he was burned out. 324 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 8: I never thought that at all. And I just I 325 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 8: think he looked. 326 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 11: At kind of the landscape and the environment of what 327 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 11: was going on here. And you know, I'm not going 328 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 11: to sit here and say he stepped down for the 329 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 11: better good of the franchise or maybe the better good 330 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 11: of his reputation. 331 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 8: I don't know, but I. 332 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 11: Think he could feel and sense and see what was 333 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 11: going on, you know, from the fan base to everything else, 334 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 11: and just probably thought, you know, what's time to step 335 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 11: step away. 336 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 4: What's next for the Steelers. 337 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 11: Well, you know, obviously their history of hiring head coaches 338 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 11: has been pretty good and. 339 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 8: Haven't had to do it in a while, nineteen years. 340 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 11: When you look at the last three hires, all young, 341 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 11: defensive minded coaches, I would expect the same to happen. 342 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 11: Despite what the way we see the NFL being played 343 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 11: these days, I would imagine they'll follow the same template. 344 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 8: I think they'll move quickly. 345 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 11: I'm not going to do it by the end of 346 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 11: the week, but I would imagine that's the direction they 347 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 11: are going to go. And I will tell you, you know, 348 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 11: when Bill Kawer stepped down after the sixth season, the 349 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 11: Steelers retained a number of his assistants from the staff, 350 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 11: including Bruce arians, Dick. 351 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 8: LeBeau, Keith Butler. 352 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 11: I don't know if that's going to be the case, 353 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 11: but that's one thing the Rooneys. 354 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 8: Do, you know. They don't. They don't let a coach come. 355 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 11: In and start picking his entire staff and his training 356 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 11: staff and the medical staff and the secretary's and a 357 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 11: pr staff. 358 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 12: The Steelers say. 359 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 11: Hey, this is what you got, and you work around that, 360 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 11: and so we'll see how it plays out. 361 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 8: I would expect a lot of that, you know. 362 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: To still be the same Aaron Rodgers future. 363 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 8: I think. 364 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 11: I think if Mike Tomlin stayed, I think they would 365 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 11: have welcomed him back to a degree. But I will 366 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 11: say this Dan, whether he was coming back or not, 367 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 11: it wasn't going to change what they want to do 368 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 11: intend to do in the draft, and I'm not saying 369 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 11: they will do it, because we'll see how it plays out. 370 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 11: But their intention is to find a quarterback that they 371 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 11: can build on for the next ten, twelve, fifteen years hopefully, 372 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 11: and so whether Aaron Rodgers comes back or not, that 373 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 11: plan doesn't change. 374 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: I know that it falls on Mike Tomlin. 375 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: But did front office help build a team that could 376 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: challenge for a Super Bowl? 377 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 8: I don't think there's any question that. 378 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 11: You know, their general manager, Omar Kahn was very aggressive 379 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 11: the last two years, even the last three, but especially 380 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 11: the last two in trying to get the pieces to, 381 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 11: you know, to make a potential run. But you know, 382 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 11: the first step was winning a playoff game, and that 383 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 11: didn't happen, and so they also brought in a number 384 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 11: of thirty plus veterans and that that didn't work. Then 385 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 11: I don't know that you stick with the same personnel 386 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 11: and you start to make some changes again and at 387 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 11: some point. You know, the Steelers they never use the 388 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 11: word rebuild, and I'm not saying they're going to do that, 389 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 11: but you know they've done it kind of piecemeal, and 390 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 11: I got a sense this one. 391 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 8: Might be a little bit of a bigger overhaul. 392 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're not bad enough to get better by 393 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 2: having that high draft pick, like you're kind of in 394 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 2: the twenties, and that could be no man's land if 395 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: you're you know, a nine and eight, ten and seventeen. 396 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 8: Yeah, when you think of where they've had to draft. 397 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 11: Now, they've traded up a couple of times to get 398 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 11: up to sixteen to get an offensive lineman. But when 399 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 11: you think about where they have had to draft and 400 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 11: the consistent success five times in the postseason in the 401 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 11: last six years, you know, they haven't been able to 402 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 11: hit that home run with a number one pick, And 403 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 11: to me, that's what makes every draft. I think their 404 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 11: drafts have been solid, but they haven't had that Pro Bowl, 405 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 11: elite type of player, and you know, you have to 406 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 11: go back to TJ. Watt to find that guy. 407 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 8: And I think that's where they need and they know it. 408 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 11: They know those first five picks, first eight picks or 409 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 11: where you first five, especially where you find those elite players. 410 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 11: First eight to ten is where you find maybe the 411 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 11: Pro Bowl players. And then you keep your fingers crossed 412 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 11: it maybe you land somebody, but they haven't had that guy, 413 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 11: and that's what they need and they know it. 414 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 8: That's what they need to go and try and do. 415 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: Anybody untouchable on the roster in your opinion. 416 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 11: No, No, you know, I don't think I you know, 417 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 11: DK metcalf is, I don't think despite that suspension what 418 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 11: some people want to think, he's coming back, Cam Hayward's 419 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 11: going to be thirty seven. But you know, I will 420 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 11: tell you Dan, I don't think anybody is untouchable. They're right, 421 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 11: tackle Troy Fontano, maybe some of our offensive linemen, but 422 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 11: otherwise any of the other guys. 423 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 4: No, thanks again, I know you're busy. We appreciate that. 424 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 8: We'll always enjoy being with you. 425 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: Jerry Doolat covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. 426 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: Also part of the Steelers radio. 427 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: Network, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup 428 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: in the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports 429 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR 430 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: to listen live. 431 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: He's Christopher mad Dog Russo you can listen to him 432 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: on Sirius XM channel eighty two. You also see him 433 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: usually on Wednesdays on First Take with Steven A. 434 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 8: Smith. 435 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: Let me start with the Dodgers dog. Good morning, good morning, 436 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: good morning. 437 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 8: Dog. 438 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: Dodgers decide they need another big ticket item. Here Kyle 439 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: Tucker going there to the Dodgers. Your reaction is. 440 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 13: Well, it's terrible for baseball. I'll start there. 441 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 12: I mean, how many guys you're gonna have them signed? Das? 442 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 12: And I'm not saying for the Dodgers, it's it makes 443 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 12: some sense. They probably needed in an outfielder. They had 444 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 12: some issues as a closer last year, so there comes Das. 445 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 13: But this is this is ridiculous. 446 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 12: Their payroll last year with insurance was over five hundred 447 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 12: million dollars, and now they had two guys in one's 448 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 12: making what eighty million or seventy million, and Daz and 449 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 12: he's making sixty million and an average salary in Ducker. 450 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 12: I mean, the Dodgers theoretically aren't doing anything wrong. They're 451 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 12: playing by the rules, but the rules have to change. 452 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 12: I mean, this is getting to be a joke. I 453 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 12: mean and I this is going to in a lot 454 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 12: of ways. You can make an argument this helps Manford 455 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 12: with the lockout discussions and the contract with the CBA 456 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 12: for next year, which obviously concludes I think December first. 457 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 12: It's it's right after the season, and this is now 458 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 12: going to be a major sticking point these owners. An, Now, 459 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 12: how am I supposed to compete when the Dodgers And again, 460 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 12: the Dodgers don't do anything wrong with the rules stick 461 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 12: and you know they gave Tony all that money, but 462 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 12: it's all deferred, so he's making basically ten million dollars 463 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 12: a year, so they can defer it, which gives them 464 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 12: the best player in baseball at an incredibly low price, 465 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 12: which means they can do anything they want. And everybody 466 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 12: else did the same exact thing. Play in LA winning team, 467 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 12: great organization, good Weather, have a chance to be in 468 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 12: the World Series every year. 469 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 13: Who wouldn't defer all the money? 470 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 12: The problem is it doesn't work as far as the 471 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 12: basis of the sport is concerned, because half these teams 472 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 12: can't compete. Why would anybody think they could win the 473 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 12: NL West next year with the Dodgers? And who cares 474 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 12: what the Dodgers do between April first and October first. 475 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 12: You know, once the postseason starts, at the team to beat. 476 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 12: Last year, they had a bad year for them. They 477 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 12: won ninety something games, were they one ninety five games 478 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 12: and they still won the World Series. So it makes 479 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 12: the regular season obsolete for LA because they're going. 480 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 13: To make the playoffs. Then they have the best players. 481 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 12: So once they get into the playoffs, despite the impredictability 482 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 12: of baseball postseason, they got a hell of a chance 483 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 12: to win. You can't tell me it's good for the 484 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 12: sport that the Dodgers, who have won two championships, been 485 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 12: in the playoffs, what fifty sixteen years in a row 486 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 12: in the last five years, gave Finland twenty five million 487 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 12: of Yamamoto, gave Sasaki two hundred million dollars, gave Otani 488 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 12: a fortune, and now they give Tucker of fortune and 489 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 12: Diaz a fortune. That's not good for the sport and 490 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 12: the overall writing theme of it good for LA battom baseball. 491 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: If you include deferred payments, the guaranteed salary for the 492 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: Dodgers this upcoming season is two point one billion dollars. 493 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 12: Wow, that's amazing. Good job, Dan I don't even know that. 494 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 12: I mean, how are the Pirates supposed to compete with that? 495 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 12: I mean how are the Kales and the and the 496 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 12: Guardians and the Reds and the White Sox. I mean, 497 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 12: how are they supposed to compete with that? 498 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: Baseball Once then well you got Tampa Bay. 499 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 12: How they solved the problem. How they solved the problems 500 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 12: gonna be hard. 501 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay seventy million, yeah, Miami seventy six million, the 502 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: White Sox one hundred and two, Saint Louis one o two, 503 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: Washington won twenty, Cleveland won thirty one, Minnesota one hundred 504 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: and fifty four million. So these include deferred payments, guaranteed salaries. 505 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 2: But I don't know how you could get everybody on 506 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: the same page with this. Chris Players Association's gonna fight it. 507 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: They want these contracts. I mean, I don't know if 508 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: these owners, I don't know what you can do. 509 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 13: I agree with you, I mean never. 510 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 12: Let's also say this, the guy who runs the Players 511 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 12: Association of Scott Boris. It's not Tony Clark, it's not 512 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 12: Bruce Weber. Weber might negotiate it, it's it's Boris. They 513 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 12: were doing anything. 514 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 13: Without Boris's approval. 515 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 12: Boris is an unbelievable good agent who last time I 516 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 12: had this major fight, everybody on the executive board were 517 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 12: Boris clients. I think they had five or six and 518 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 12: they're all Borts. He got Matt Shrz, who on the 519 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 12: phone called Boris to see if he agrees with what 520 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 12: they're doing in March. The whole thing is that, listen, baseball. 521 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 13: This is what hill kills baseball. 522 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 12: It's great in the postseason because you never know, the 523 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 12: best team doesn't always win, but as far as the 524 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 12: regular season is concerned, it's gotten to a situation where 525 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 12: it becomes obsolete because you know, certain teams are this 526 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 12: to be in a postseason barring it's a catastrophe, and 527 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 12: one of those teams now you know the Yankees, and 528 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 12: you know teams like that, and one of those teams 529 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 12: definitely now is LA And it's bad for the sport. 530 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 12: You know, a lot of fans are going to be annoyed, 531 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 12: and I don't know what you do to solve it. 532 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 12: You're right, you know, Manford's done a great job because 533 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 12: he's been a commission that has not lost a regular 534 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 12: season game since he was involved in negotiating these contracts 535 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 12: in the mid nineties, so he has that on his legacy, 536 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 12: so you know he's not gonna want to lose games 537 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 12: next year. But he's also in a situation where he's 538 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 12: got to do something. So we shall see. 539 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because with the NFL, you can go from worse 540 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: to first. We've seen those success stories and. 541 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 12: Do that in foot We can't do that here. 542 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the NBA, we've seen success stories. They had 543 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: a wood pick. 544 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 13: Look at the Spurs. 545 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, different champion what the last five or six years. 546 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 2: So you go into a season you give the NFL 547 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: gives you hope. 548 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 12: Absolutely, it gives you. 549 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers fans at the beginning of the year, you're 550 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: probably thinking, Okay, we're in a bad division. Can we 551 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 2: win this division? And the answer is yes. You look 552 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: at the Bears. You know where they were where they are. 553 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 2: I mean you could have the rise and the fall 554 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 2: Detroit up then down. So to say to these teams, 555 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 2: you're going to have an opportunity to at least compete 556 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: for a playoff berth, I mean, that's what you want 557 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: as a fan. 558 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: You want hope. 559 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: Now there's certain franchises where you go, no, we expect 560 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: to be in in the NBA. You want hope, you 561 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 2: want to go, Hey, I believe in the team, and 562 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: I'll continue to go out and support it. You know, 563 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: if you're a Pittsburgh Pirate fan, you go out one day, 564 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: you go to see your pitcher, that's probably it. It's 565 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 2: a great ballpark, but you know how many times are 566 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: you going to see those games? 567 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 4: But if you're. 568 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: Playing in big games, now, all of a sudden, you're 569 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: buying it. You know, the Reds make the playoffs. Now 570 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: you're going out to watch a season, not just a 571 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: couple of games. 572 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 13: Watch the Dodgers get schoobl too. 573 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 4: I brought that up this morning. 574 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: I go, that's who I thought that they were going 575 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: to be getting somehow, Someway. 576 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 12: And he's gonna leave and you know this arbitration issue 577 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 12: with him. Yeah, it's a major problem. I mean, last 578 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 12: year the Bears didn't make the playoffs. This year they're 579 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 12: in a divisional round. You made a good point about Carolina. 580 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 12: They won the division, they get a home playoff camp. 581 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 12: You know, Denver last year barely made the playoffs. Now 582 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 12: the under the one seed Seattle last year didn't make 583 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 12: the playoffs. Now to the one seed you have so 584 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 12: many advantages from that standpoint. Was it normally six in 585 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 12: and six out in the NFL, six teams every year, 586 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 12: and you know that they, you know, have a short schedule. 587 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 12: Now you need the quarterback. Without the quarterback, you're not 588 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 12: gonna win. But you have ways to get the quarterback. 589 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 12: You can draft one. You can be bad at the 590 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 12: right time. You know, Perty was the last pick in 591 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 12: the draft they found in right. I mean, you can 592 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 12: get the Qbam. Josh Allen wasn't the first pick. You 593 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 12: can get Nicks wasn't the first pick. You can get 594 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 12: the quarterback by little lucky somehow, a free agent, a trade, 595 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 12: well you know Donald, I mean he was a trade 596 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 12: Seattle they won. You can get the quarterback. In the NBA, 597 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 12: you got to get the great player. You know when Bayama, 598 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 12: you know David Robinson, Duncan. You got to get that 599 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 12: great player, the transformational player. There are ways to do it, 600 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 12: but you got to get that player. But it doesn't 601 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 12: have anything to do with money. I mean, you know, 602 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 12: it might have something to do with the markets. But 603 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 12: Sacramento was good for a long time. The Spurs won 604 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 12: some championships. So the small market can win and in baseball, 605 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 12: it's really about three or four teams and that's the 606 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 12: and that's the unfortunately, think about baseball. It's got a 607 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 12: great playoff system. The playoff system last three weeks. It's done. 608 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 12: It's not a slugout four month process where they play 609 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 12: best of sevens where you know who's gonna win beforehand, 610 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 12: like the NBA might have. You know, it's the games 611 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 12: are unpredictable because there's no guarantee the best team's gonna win. 612 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 12: So that makes it fun too. You know, the Great 613 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 12: Baseball Game, as you know, Dan, you're a great baseball fan, 614 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 12: Game seven Toronto and Dodgers. 615 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 13: How great a game was that? 616 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 6: You know? 617 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 13: It gives you incredible drama. 618 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 12: But the problem is is baseball has become over the 619 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 12: long period of time too much dominated by the big 620 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 12: market teams. And I don't know how you solve that problem. 621 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 12: I really don't. 622 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 13: Without a strike, Without a strike. 623 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: He's Christopher mad Dog Russo, host of mad Dog Unleashed 624 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: on Serious XM Channel eighty two, and also you'll see 625 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: him on First Take. What's holding up John Harbaugh and 626 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: the Giants. 627 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 12: Hasn't an officially signed it yet? Yeah, I don't know, 628 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 12: I don't have the answer for you on that. Maybe 629 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 12: the money for the assistant coaches. This is the move 630 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 12: the Giants had to make. This is gonna happen. I mean, 631 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 12: you know, I don't think it's going to fall apart. 632 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 12: Harbor and Mara, I guess really had a great sit down. 633 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 12: They had a great dinner a couple of nights ago. 634 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 12: And the Giants need him. I mean, you know they've 635 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 12: gone the assistant route, whether it's you know, Dable Judge, 636 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 12: you know Ben McAdoo. It just it's been a disaster. 637 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 12: They have to bring an established coach. Harball is a 638 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 12: good coach. I mean, he's not a great coach yet 639 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 12: got a chance to be, you know, hall of fame. 640 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 12: I wouldn't say Harball is a Hall of Fame coach 641 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 12: by my standards. 642 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 13: I wouldn't say he's a Hall of Fame coach. 643 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 4: Is Tomlin? 644 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 12: You know he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. 645 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 12: They're gonna make it. But by you and I standards, 646 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 12: do I consider Tom and right this second, a Hall 647 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 12: of Fame coach? I don't now that's me. Now he's 648 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 12: gonna make it because they vote, you know, they vote 649 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 12: six candidates a year, and you know they Coreel made it. 650 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 12: He never won a championship, Kwras anyone won Super Bowl, 651 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 12: so he's he's gonna get in. But obviously Marve. 652 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 13: Levey he's made it. 653 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 12: He's got one hundred and forty three wins and four 654 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 12: Super Bowl losses. You know, George Allen's in. He never 655 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 12: want a thing, so they're gonna make it. But do 656 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 12: I consider it Tom and A. Harby myself, as a 657 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 12: football fan, a great all time coach. 658 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 13: No, I don't know. 659 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 12: When I think of the great all time coaches, I'm 660 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 12: thinking Paul Brown, Belichick, Lombardi, Gibbs, Welsh, A Walsh, Parcels. 661 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,479 Speaker 12: You know, I'm thinking along those lines of you know, 662 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 12: that establishment group, Shoe Lit, Landry, those kind of guys. 663 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 12: And I don't think that myself, that Tom and Harbaugh 664 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 12: are on that level myself. But I'm a small room guy. 665 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 12: You're a small room guy. A lot of people put 666 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 12: all these coaches in. I mean, Bill Coward to me 667 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 12: is not a Hall of fame coach, very good coach. 668 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 12: Do I consider him a Hall of Fame coach? Two 669 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 12: super Bowls? He's one and one Hall of Fame where Wow, 670 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 12: he's a great coach. I don't consider him that, but 671 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 12: he's in the Hall of Fame. So they put a 672 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 12: lot of guys in who I wouldn't put in, and 673 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 12: Toman and Harbor are sort of on a very good 674 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 12: category right now, and Harbor and Toman will have a 675 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 12: chance to get to that next level. I mean, you 676 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 12: think Dungee's a great coach, very good? Is he great 677 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 12: in your eyes? Then is Tony Dungee a Hall of 678 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 12: Fame coach? Well? 679 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: He was also a great defensive coordinator as well. That 680 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: Tampa team that he had that Gruden came in one, 681 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: you know, Tony, Tony was helped in building that. 682 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think he's an interesting case. Do you think 683 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 12: you think George John's Hall of Fame coach? No, he's 684 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 12: in the Hall of Fame. 685 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: I know. 686 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 12: You think Pete Carroll's going to make the Hall of Fame? 687 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 4: Yes you do? 688 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 8: Yeah? 689 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 13: Yeah, wow, I'm not sure, especially now. 690 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 2: It is the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so they're 691 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: not factoring in USC. 692 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 8: Yeah. 693 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: I don't forget us, but I'm guessing. 694 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 2: See, I think the thing is is you're trying to 695 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: compare today's coaches with yesteryear, and that's it's hard to 696 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: do that and come up with a Hall of Fame coach. 697 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 2: Because these guys were established, they didn't have to worry, 698 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: you know, about all these other things that today's coach 699 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: has to deal with getting to two Super Bowls? 700 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 4: Like Sean Payton. Is Sean Payton a Hall of Fame coach? 701 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 12: He's been in one Super Bowl? 702 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: Not yet, he's probably going in. Is Mike McCarthy hall 703 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 2: of Fame coach? No, he's got the same resume as 704 00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 2: Sean Payton. 705 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't put Peyton in though. 706 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 8: I'll be fair. 707 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 12: Again. 708 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 13: I'm a small room guy. I want greatness. I don't do. 709 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 12: I think Sean Payton's a great coach. He's very good. 710 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 12: Great Parcels is a great coach. Gibbs is a great coach. 711 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 12: Three super Bowls, three different quarterbacks. Phil Walsh, that's a 712 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 12: great football coach. Brown. 713 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 13: Those are the sort of guys who. 714 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 2: Has more pressure, either player or team. The most pressure 715 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 2: this weekend in the NFL. 716 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 12: Uh not San Francisco, Seattle, Buffalo so banged up. And 717 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 12: I heard your thought with Josh Allen. He's great anyway, 718 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 12: I probably. 719 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 13: You know it's weird. 720 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 12: I might say Stafford, but the Rams. You can't say 721 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 12: there's any pressure on Houston. You can't say there's any 722 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 12: pressure on the Patriots. The Bears are a young team. 723 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 12: You can't use them San Francisco. Somehow we're in this 724 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 12: spot Seattle. You know, maybe Sam Donald. Maybe Donald because 725 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 12: he needs to go out there and you know, sort 726 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 12: of undue last year, but he didn't play very well 727 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 12: in the postseason. I don't look at Denver young quarterback Alan. 728 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 12: I think he's accomplished plenty anyway. I know people bring 729 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 12: Alan up because there's no Ma Homes and Burrow and Jackson. 730 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 12: I still think Alan's got plenty of time to win 731 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 12: a Super Bowl. I think this is an important you know, 732 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 12: the Rams had a great year and then they kind 733 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 12: of stalled. They were not great last weekend. I think 734 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 12: there's some pressure on in and I think there's a lot. 735 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 12: I think there's some pressure on Sam Donald. You know, 736 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 12: and in a weird way, you brought up an interesting 737 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 12: question because I don't know if there's a clear cut well, 738 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 12: he's got a win, you know, I don't know if 739 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 12: there you know, if Flemore was in this spot, I'd 740 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 12: say three and five in the postseason, maybe i'd put 741 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 12: him in that category. I don't know if I have 742 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 12: anybody right now in the last eight in that category 743 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 12: where they know that they have to win. 744 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 13: I don't know if I have that right now. 745 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 4: Good to chat with you. Good the best in glad 746 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 4: you're feeling better. 747 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 12: Thank you, pal. 748 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 13: You had a rough week. Let's see, hiccups. Hiccups, Never 749 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 13: get them, never get them. 750 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 4: Wait, you had the hiccups. 751 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 12: Which led to some issues and I was in bad 752 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 12: shape for about fifteen hours. 753 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 13: If I had a missed first take after division. 754 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 12: Round, you know it wasn't. 755 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 4: Have a good weekend. Good supp thank you. That's Christopher 756 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 4: mad Dog Russo.