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Speaker 5: Brand Ambition, Ambition, Ambition, Hey maner, how.
Speaker 2: Are you girl?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 3: Lady in red, I haven't seen you in this color before.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a instead of a short set, it's
Speaker 1: a skirt set. I got it from the Amazon.
Speaker 3: From Amazon people, Yeah, shopping on Amazon. I haven't really
Speaker 3: done a lot of people to get cute stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's how I feel. It's either going to be good
Speaker 3: quality or like Forever twenty one Clearance been you know,
Speaker 3: quality is how I feel. But I love that you're
Speaker 3: in this new bright color. I am in this one
Speaker 3: of my favorite shades, which I am now over analyzing
Speaker 3: and I'm like, is this my color palette? Am I
Speaker 3: a winter summer whatever? I'm really excited about today's show,
Speaker 3: and the reason we're talking a little bit about style
Speaker 3: is one I think if you follow broad Ambition from
Speaker 3: the very beginning, it's been almost eight years now, can
Speaker 3: you believe?
Speaker 4: Can you believe?
Speaker 3: We're in the third grade almost, and we have changed
Speaker 3: quite a bit. I feel like our style has evolved.
Speaker 3: I think all of our styles are constantly evolving, especially
Speaker 3: like we talked a lot about hair during a recent episode,
Speaker 3: and like how that can evolve with your career and
Speaker 3: your business. And I think style is such. I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously hair is this. Hair and style, it's the same
Speaker 3: thing basically when you're a woman of color. I feel like,
Speaker 3: but today we have a really fantastic guest, Tiffany, and
Speaker 3: I can't wait for y'all to meet here. I met
Speaker 3: this woman at a recent conference that I spoke at,
Speaker 3: and I didn't even realize I hadn't really thought about
Speaker 3: my style very much. But after listening to this our
Speaker 3: guest speaking about it, I instantly was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I do put thought into it. But I feel like
Speaker 3: there's so much hunger and a lot of us to
Speaker 3: have more, like to have more of a style and
Speaker 3: to own it a little bit more. What has your
Speaker 3: style like evolution been, Tiffany, As you've gone from Budgetista,
Speaker 3: I was always like Netflix, she were in Netflix Red.
Speaker 3: Today I have been.
Speaker 1: Super tom Boys kind of like my whole life. I
Speaker 1: never really thought about clothes too much. But then as
Speaker 1: I started to start my business, not dressing well harmed
Speaker 1: my business because they were literally like I would get
Speaker 1: feedback what I would meet with someone hoping to like,
Speaker 1: you know, launch maybe a workshop series whatever, I would
Speaker 1: get feedback and say, like, I like Tifny, but she
Speaker 1: didn't really dress very professionally, and I was like, because
Speaker 1: before then.
Speaker 4: I was in preschool team.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I got a couple of people who said
Speaker 1: that because pre school teacher, you know, you're like, can
Speaker 1: this be thrown up on?
Speaker 4: I'll wear it.
Speaker 1: So I got to delay developing my style because I
Speaker 1: you know, professionally, it was like comfort, comfort, comfort. It
Speaker 1: should be able to get dirty, and that's what I
Speaker 1: was for ten years. So I didn't know what to wear.
Speaker 1: So thankfully my sister Tracy, who's also a publicist, she
Speaker 1: is always super well dressed. So I started to lean
Speaker 1: into her and said, can you help me create like
Speaker 1: a Budgetissa look, which is like very very professional looking.
Speaker 1: And now I'm easing up on the budget Lisa being
Speaker 1: more super tailored and like, you know, interjecting more of
Speaker 1: my funness into it. And so I'm in this new
Speaker 1: space now where I'm like bringing forth the feminine. That's
Speaker 1: what I told myself, you know, because I know I
Speaker 1: got little body on me.
Speaker 3: A little bit too. Wait body, yes, a little.
Speaker 1: Body, you know, and I've never shown I met this
Speaker 1: woman in I was at brunch in Brooklyn with my
Speaker 1: sister Lisa, and a budgetista fan came up to.
Speaker 4: Me was like, girl, I know you had that body.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I'm leaning into my feminine a
Speaker 1: little bit like one in a way that makes me
Speaker 1: feel comfortable because I don't like having all all the
Speaker 1: girls out, but in a way that I'm like, girl,
Speaker 1: you got a body, like you know, embrace it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. For me, I think because my body size changed
Speaker 3: has always changes every two years. I'm up and down.
Speaker 3: I have this like opra condition, and I think that
Speaker 3: has always made it really difficult for me to just
Speaker 3: like settle in a style because it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: when I'm growing up getting dressed, getting styled by the
Speaker 3: Sears plus size section, which is like for little girls,
Speaker 3: you know, in the way far back corner by like
Speaker 3: the granny you know stuff and the petite section, and
Speaker 3: to be like, here's my mom would just drag me
Speaker 3: back there and be like, which Hello Kitty or Winnie
Speaker 3: the Pooh ensemble would you like? Because like these are
Speaker 3: the options. So I have been like plus size, and
Speaker 3: you know, every you know from from way too skinny
Speaker 3: you had some issues to like, you know, plus size,
Speaker 3: and it has made it almost to the point where
Speaker 3: I didn't want to think about like I I didn't
Speaker 3: think I deserved or could have a look because it
Speaker 3: would mean like investing more in new clothes because my
Speaker 3: size has changed again. And that finally broke for me
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago when I had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to do like a real brand photo shoot and I
Speaker 3: worked with a family friend of mine who was like,
Speaker 3: she's a stylist in her free time, and I had
Speaker 3: her picking things for me, and she introduced me to
Speaker 3: you like, for so long I had been trying to
Speaker 3: develop a style by shopping at like old Navy in
Speaker 3: H and M, and I get so annoyed because then
Speaker 3: he got on the subway and every other girl has
Speaker 3: the exact same, you know, look. And she introduced me
Speaker 3: to like curating different pieces and like putting them together,
Speaker 3: and she really helped me get out of the trap
Speaker 3: of like not buying something because I didn't like the
Speaker 3: size I had to buy in it, which I don't
Speaker 3: know if you ever been like as a as a
Speaker 3: plus size woman, and I know our guest is as well.
Speaker 3: Like you, you get so caught up in like what
Speaker 3: size something is, and are people no one's gonna know
Speaker 3: what size it is, you know. But she helped me
Speaker 3: finally get out of that trap of stop holding yourself
Speaker 3: back from looking amazing because you're more there's shame around
Speaker 3: what size of that you have to have. And now
Speaker 3: ever since I like broke that spell, I feel like
Speaker 3: it's been so much more fun to like discover new
Speaker 3: brands I'm a huge fan of like Eloquy. I wear
Speaker 3: their stuff all the time and they do fourteen plus fashion,
Speaker 3: And also like stop wasting time over analyzing myself and
Speaker 3: being like embarrassed because no one does know what your
Speaker 3: size is. They just know how you're moving confidently, like
Speaker 3: in your fashion, you know. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: y'all my fashion has been like muted, muted, muted, and
Speaker 3: then like this explosion of my personality color, you know,
Speaker 3: I want joy to come through with the style that
Speaker 3: I have, and it's been. Yeah, it's been liberating, and
Speaker 3: I'm glad I got there now because I feel like
Speaker 3: so many of us we wait till, like, I don't
Speaker 3: know when do we stop giving giving a crop about
Speaker 3: people think about us on average?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm still trying to have eight I'm forty,
Speaker 1: and I would say I'm about eighty percent. Girl, what
Speaker 1: nobody cares? They're still about a little thirty percent. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I do.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm trying to do well. I still got collagen,
Speaker 3: you know, while there's some loaf in the skin, Like
Speaker 3: just even on vacation. I told you, I've never felt
Speaker 3: sexier than I was on our vacation a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I've never been heavyer. I got this huge
Speaker 3: seven month baby bump.
Speaker 4: But I was rocking bikinis.
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I wasn't hiding behind a cover up. I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was just like, this is my body, like this
Speaker 3: is There's nothing to be ashamed about anyway. So that's
Speaker 3: been It's a good I think. I feel like I
Speaker 3: hope that more of us are feeling that way. I credit,
Speaker 3: do you have a style icon? Because I credit Lizzo
Speaker 3: for making me feel better about my lumps and bumps.
Speaker 5: You know what, I don't.
Speaker 2: Actually, maybe that's my problem. I don't have a style.
Speaker 3: Icon, like someone that you look to and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, they are so put together. That's who I
Speaker 3: kind of want to That's the vibe I want to
Speaker 3: give off.
Speaker 1: Not a particular woman, but more so like the Brooklyn
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn black girl I love because I'm like an
Speaker 1: afrocentric at my core, and so I love like the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn batty blacker that's just walking big hair, like it's
Speaker 1: just so that there's no one particular, but like I
Speaker 1: love that look and it just looks so effortlessly. She
Speaker 1: can bohemian but like sexy but not super because I'm
Speaker 1: not really like I said, like my girls are not
Speaker 1: all out, you know, So I would say that that
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn the summer Brooklyn black girl is my icon.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll never be that cool. I really
Speaker 3: want to get to our guests because she is. This
Speaker 3: is what she does. She works with people like you
Speaker 3: and I and I mean not just that but just
Speaker 3: regular regular folks. And when I'm going to her style
Speaker 3: talk at this conference that I went to, Like, the
Speaker 3: women were lining up afterward, and she wouldn't these small
Speaker 3: tweaks to their outfits and you can see their eyes
Speaker 3: light up, you know, like oh I didn't think I
Speaker 3: didn't look at it this way, or like this actually
Speaker 3: does look good on me? And it was so powerful,
Speaker 3: So I had to have her on. I want to
Speaker 3: introduce her finally to y'all, BA fam. Her name is
Speaker 3: Kendra Porter. She is a teed X speaker, an award
Speaker 3: winning image consultant, and a wardrobe stylist. She is the
Speaker 3: founder of Honor Your Style image consulting agency, where she's
Speaker 3: worked with thousands of clients, helping them reimagine their style.
Speaker 3: Kendra uses fashion as a tool to develop personal and
Speaker 3: professional brands, and her motto is honor your Style, Honor you.
Speaker 3: These days, you can find Kendra producing events on the
Speaker 3: mic for well known retailers like Neiman Marcus. She facilitates
Speaker 3: trainings like I went to on personal branding and style.
Speaker 3: She also teaches at a little school you might have
Speaker 3: heard of called FIT or the Fashion Institute of Technology
Speaker 3: in New York City, and she's also in studio dressing
Speaker 3: on air talent at NBC Sports and has even dressed
Speaker 3: talent for the Olympics. Come on now. Over a decade
Speaker 3: of experience, she has dressed for designers at New York
Speaker 3: Fashion Week, from Oscar Della Rented to Problem. Yeah, how
Speaker 3: do you say that, Kendra? Probably Garung, I'd be you
Speaker 3: know when you see something, but you know, anyway, whatever,
Speaker 3: She's very, very impressive and we are so freaking excited
Speaker 3: to have Kendra on the show.
Speaker 4: Welcome Kendra, Thank you, ladies, thank you so much for
Speaker 4: having me. And I did say proble Garung, my apologies.
Speaker 4: I was not unmiked, unmiked, unmuted, but uh yeah, listen,
Speaker 4: even for me saying some of the designer's names, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 4: hold on, let me google.
Speaker 3: They deserve Well. I'm so happy to have you on.
Speaker 3: I mean we headed off. We're like new besties because
Speaker 3: we also live in the same zip code we do
Speaker 3: over here representing Westchester. But is it true did you
Speaker 3: meet Tiffany before, like a million lifetimes ago?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I met Tiffany, And I don't know if
Speaker 4: you even remember this, Tiffany, like I met you when
Speaker 4: I was first starting out. So this probably eleven twelve
Speaker 4: years ago, right, you had just started out as well,
Speaker 4: and we were at a women of Chamber commerce meeting
Speaker 4: in the city, like off of fourteenth Street. Don't ask
Speaker 4: me why I remember all of these details, but I do.
Speaker 4: And ever since then, right, I've been part of the
Speaker 4: dream Catchers and right following you for all these years,
Speaker 4: so I appreciate it, and we've touched base every now
Speaker 4: and then. But it's been an amazing journey to watch
Speaker 4: you and I am so proud of all that you've
Speaker 4: done throughout the years, for sure, So kudos to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and welcome to you.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about like being an image consultant first of all, Kendra,
Speaker 3: because you do on the personal and the professional level.
Speaker 3: Why is it important, Like why should people from us
Speaker 3: who are public facing to just everyday working women be
Speaker 3: thinking about our image. So the first thing I like
Speaker 3: to explain to people is the difference between an image
Speaker 3: consultant and a stylist, right, Because everyone's like, well, I'm
Speaker 3: not a celebrity, and so I happen to be both, right,
Speaker 3: I tell people, as an image consultant, it is about
Speaker 3: the person, right, you as a as a total package,
Speaker 3: your personality, your lifestyle, your budget, all of it. And
Speaker 3: so it is making sure that you are aligned with
Speaker 3: what you are trying to represent as a person, right
Speaker 3: and communicating that through your fashion as well.
Speaker 4: As a stylist. Right, it is about the clothes. So
Speaker 4: if you walk into a room and someone says, oh
Speaker 4: my god, that person looks amazing, that's an image consultant. Right,
Speaker 4: you see the person as a whole. If you walk
Speaker 4: into a room and someone says, oh my god, where'd
Speaker 4: you get those shoes? That is a stylist. Right. It's
Speaker 4: about the It's about the fashion, the dress, the shoes,
Speaker 4: the pieces right that are speaking above who you are
Speaker 4: as an individual. And so you know, the importance is
Speaker 4: is that as a person as a whole, regardless of
Speaker 4: whether you're you know, in the limelight or if you're
Speaker 4: living your daily life, you want to represent the best
Speaker 4: person you are. Right. We always say that we should
Speaker 4: always put our best foot forward, no matter what, even
Speaker 4: running to the grocery store. But running to the grocery
Speaker 4: store may mean putting out moisturizer and putting your hair
Speaker 4: in a bun, right, like running a brush through your hair,
Speaker 4: the simple things. Because we are, unfortunately, right, we are
Speaker 4: in a culture that does judge and that does see people,
Speaker 4: and it's that visual representation is the first thing that
Speaker 4: you see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's with social
Speaker 3: media too. There it's this like dichotomy because I think
Speaker 3: on social media some hows you want to be raw, unfiltered,
Speaker 3: no makeup, whatever, But there's a very different version of
Speaker 3: yourself when you show up to present something or to
Speaker 3: represent your brand, you know, among potential advertisers or potential clients.
Speaker 3: How do you sort of towe that line between like
Speaker 3: honoring both sides, where like, I mean, you kind of
Speaker 3: want to like resist the need to be like Tiff
Speaker 3: and I. I don't know, Tiff, like you're going through
Speaker 3: this glow up phase where you know, she puts the
Speaker 3: F and then we hear not that you have before.
Speaker 4: It's just different. But it's so yeah, yeah, it's so.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, right, nobody's saying you have to wear
Speaker 4: makeup every day, Right, That's not what we're saying. What
Speaker 4: we're saying is is that you want to represent the
Speaker 4: best you, even as a natural, even as a natural
Speaker 4: right fresh faced, running out of running to the grocery
Speaker 4: store or what have you. Right, I don't wear makeup
Speaker 4: every day. I only wear makeup when I'm doing events
Speaker 4: or I'm on camera. Right, If you see me out
Speaker 4: on the street, I don't have makeup on, right, but
Speaker 4: I'm dressed in a way that people may say, oh, right,
Speaker 4: where'd you get those sneakers? Right? Where did you? You know?
Speaker 4: What's what's kind of sort of sticking out? And that's
Speaker 4: the stylus side of me, right, Or I may help
Speaker 4: people with that, right if I'm of course in a
Speaker 4: store shopping and it's like, oh, here, look at this,
Speaker 4: and then they take a look at me, because if
Speaker 4: I'm dressed right, if I'm dressed in an oversized sweat
Speaker 4: or in a pair of leggings trying to style somebody,
Speaker 4: they're like, I'm not really sure you're the right person
Speaker 4: for me, right, But of course I'm going to be
Speaker 4: in fashionable leggings and fashionable sweatshirt. So that's a different story.
Speaker 4: But it is you want to be who you are authentically,
Speaker 4: and it is the simple things, right, So like when
Speaker 4: you talked about making those little tweaks when we were
Speaker 4: at the seminar, it is grooming right, looking at brushing
Speaker 4: your hair, looking at adding moisturizer. Looking at doing lip bomb.
Speaker 4: Nobody says you have to put on lipstick, but do
Speaker 4: a lip bomb right so that you don't have chap lips.
Speaker 4: I don't care. It's the little things that make you
Speaker 4: look a little bit more polished that it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you got everything put together and you're not wearing anything different, right,
Speaker 4: but it is. Can we can we iron our shirts
Speaker 4: before we go outside? Right, those little things that help
Speaker 4: to tweak and polish you on a general basis. And
Speaker 4: then when you're talking about showing up as a professional
Speaker 4: and in your career, yeah, you do need to look
Speaker 4: a particular way, right. You do need to represent who
Speaker 4: you are as a brand. Now. Granted there are the
Speaker 4: likes of like Steve Jobs and all of that, but
Speaker 4: we know them for not their style and that they
Speaker 4: are trying to make the minimum decisions that they need
Speaker 4: to in their fashion. As a brand. You need to
Speaker 4: figure out what that looks like for you individually, and
Speaker 4: then making sure that you assign what you're wearing to
Speaker 4: that brand, to whatever it is that is for you.
Speaker 1: As black women, right, Like we are policed in so
Speaker 1: many different ways our hair, you know, like the way
Speaker 1: we wear our makeup, like even just like one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I don't wear tight things is because
Speaker 1: I know I got a lot of booty, and so
Speaker 1: I know that unfortunately, my natural body is perceived in
Speaker 1: some arenas, especially financial education, as unprofessional. There's nothing I've done,
Speaker 1: like this is how I was born.
Speaker 4: So it's the sexualization of black women's bodies. That's a
Speaker 4: whole other conversation. Yes, so what can like, as you know, what.
Speaker 1: Advice can you give for as we show up as
Speaker 1: black women with our bodies and how we just naturally look,
Speaker 1: you know, how can we create this like lead this
Speaker 1: foundation of professionalism without being like I.
Speaker 2: Got to hide my body in order to do so.
Speaker 4: Right, So there's a couple of things, I think. So
Speaker 4: one of the things that I go through with my
Speaker 4: clients is I do ask them to pick out words, right,
Speaker 4: So I tell them, choose three words that represent what
Speaker 4: you want to be known for. And I mean three
Speaker 4: words in terms of personality traits, right, whether that's intelligent,
Speaker 4: whether that's creative, whether that's a boss. What are those
Speaker 4: three words? And then pick two style words, right, so
Speaker 4: whether it's romantic or edgy or funky, and then use
Speaker 4: that to build your looks each morning. Right. So if
Speaker 4: I say that I am going to be edgy, creative
Speaker 4: and welcoming, right, I'm not. And then I want to
Speaker 4: be edge of creative, welcoming, I said five, right, professional,
Speaker 4: and fun. I'm not wearing all black every day, right,
Speaker 4: just because I'm trying to either hide my body, hide
Speaker 4: who I am, right, hide my personality. I am going
Speaker 4: to wear bright colors. I'm going to wear patterns. I'm
Speaker 4: going to wear things that are a little bit more slick, right,
Speaker 4: So for me and that and those words can change too, right,
Speaker 4: So don't say these are the words that you're holding
Speaker 4: to and you can't ever change that. It's also based
Speaker 4: on context, right, So where are you going? How do
Speaker 4: you want to be seen within that community? Right within
Speaker 4: those people that you're going to and then using those
Speaker 4: words to change. And it's also based on how you feel.
Speaker 4: So you get up in the morning, there are days
Speaker 4: where you're like, you know what, I just want to
Speaker 4: get up and keep it moving. And so you're going
Speaker 4: to throw on a like jeans and T shirts. Okay,
Speaker 4: well what does that look like for that day? Right?
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you the bohemian that day? And so
Speaker 4: you're going to do gens and write like a white
Speaker 4: oversized blouse and a pair of and doodenim and right
Speaker 4: like lots of brown leather. Or is it that you're
Speaker 4: gonna do a sweatshirt right like a hoodie and a
Speaker 4: leather jacket and a paradium right, two different looks, both casual,
Speaker 4: but both can still be fun and exciting for you. Right.
Speaker 4: You should enjoy getting dressed in the morning. That's the
Speaker 4: other thing, is that whatever you put on should bring
Speaker 4: you joy because how you dress also affect your mood.
Speaker 4: It's not just about how other people see you, but
Speaker 4: it's also how you see yourself. So those people who
Speaker 4: think about this way, even if you're wearing sweats, right,
Speaker 4: and if you put on sexy underwear, undersweats is a
Speaker 4: very different You stand differently, right, You move through your
Speaker 4: day differently, And so you want.
Speaker 3: To be not pack panties, Tiffany, I'm graduated.
Speaker 2: I've graduated from pack pansies.
Speaker 3: You feel better? Yeah, I mean, Kendra, when I was
Speaker 3: listening to you talk. And also it's not just about
Speaker 3: this is a thing like so many of us are
Speaker 3: wearing what we think we feel comfortable in, but not
Speaker 3: maybe what is the best look from the outside looking in?
Speaker 3: And I feel like during your talk, what was powerful
Speaker 3: was when women were like, well, I put this on it,
Speaker 3: I think this looks good, and then you start to
Speaker 3: look at it from the outside, you know, an outsider's perspective,
Speaker 3: and you realize sometimes we're not making the best choices
Speaker 3: for what fits our body or fits our coloring, you know. So, like,
Speaker 3: what advice do you have for women who are just
Speaker 3: wearing the thing that they've always felt comfortab. They like black,
Speaker 3: they like gray, they like pink, hot pink or whatever,
Speaker 3: to start exploring colors that bring out their best selves,
Speaker 3: styles that bring out their best selves in a different way.
Speaker 3: So the first thing I would say is definitely think
Speaker 3: about what color do people say you look amazing in?
Speaker 4: Right, Because that's an objective view. It's not you trying
Speaker 4: to pick through about what you think may work for
Speaker 4: you it doesn't work for you. But think about, no
Speaker 4: matter how old it may be, when you wear that
Speaker 4: particular color or that particular top or dress or whatever,
Speaker 4: people are like, oh my god, you look great, right,
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, this whole thing, it's probably because
Speaker 4: that's your coloring. So there are two things. People are
Speaker 4: warm and cool, and.
Speaker 3: I still can't figure it out. I'm war more cool.
Speaker 3: You have to help me.
Speaker 4: You're cool, but you're also cool and bright, right, like
Speaker 4: you want to do set like for you, I'm like,
Speaker 4: saturated colors work really well for you.
Speaker 3: Thank you good because that means really bright and like bold.
Speaker 4: Right? Well, no, like if you do like so the
Speaker 4: mid color that you're wearing now, I want a little
Speaker 4: bit deeper in green, right, like a little bit more saturated,
Speaker 4: less white in the coloring. Right. So when I met you,
Speaker 4: you had on lilac, which was gorgeous on you. It
Speaker 4: was a deeper tone. It was still pastel, but it
Speaker 4: was a deeper, more saturated color. Right.
Speaker 3: That's the color people tell me I look really good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's how people were lining up afterwards, like show the
Speaker 3: little you guys, tell U where to get one of
Speaker 3: those color wheel things too.
Speaker 4: So this is what I tell people, So tiftany right,
Speaker 4: and now I'm like, I can't see you on camera,
Speaker 4: but here's what I would say, right to Most people
Speaker 4: think about whether you are better, whether you look better
Speaker 4: in white like a crisp white shirt like this, or
Speaker 4: if you look better in cream. Right, that's the easiest
Speaker 4: way to tell. And what you want to look at
Speaker 4: is does your skin glow? Are you healthier? Does it
Speaker 4: look brighter? So when people tell me, oh, I can't
Speaker 4: wear whatever color, right, like I can't wear green because
Speaker 4: I look sallow or I look sickly, it's because it's
Speaker 4: not the right shade of green. So think about right
Speaker 4: when you were a kid in painting and in primary colors, right,
Speaker 4: so it was red, yellow and blue makeing primary colors.
Speaker 4: The question is does it have more yellow or red
Speaker 4: in it which makes it warmer, or more blue which
Speaker 4: makes it cooler? Right, So if you think about red, right,
Speaker 4: so we all know that red lipstick, trying to find
Speaker 4: the right shade red lipstick is always a challenge, right.
Speaker 4: This is why if I show you, these are all
Speaker 4: shades of red. Right?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're watching on you too, you should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the top are all and I go.
Speaker 4: Go in the middle road for sure? Right the top,
Speaker 4: Oh is that right? The top are warmer colors, right,
Speaker 4: there's more yellow in them across the board and the
Speaker 4: bottom are cooler colors. Right. And so if you have
Speaker 4: a tendency to do hot pinks, blue looks amazing on you, right,
Speaker 4: Purples look really great on you. That is someone who's
Speaker 4: cooler in coloring. If you do better in reds and
Speaker 4: browns and oranges, then you're warmer. So Teppany, I feel
Speaker 4: like I want to say, you're actually warmer in coloring.
Speaker 3: Can you see her right now? I want you to
Speaker 3: see her because she's got this bright red. I can't
Speaker 3: tell if that's the right shade of red for her, Kendra,
Speaker 3: let's right, you can you see me?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, I'm like, pull me up online.
Speaker 3: But you don't have the exact color on. No, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna I'm literally gonna do this right now. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: texas to you.
Speaker 2: Kept yes, because I'm just like I want to I
Speaker 2: want to know something is on my internet. It was
Speaker 2: walk less.
Speaker 3: But you've seen Tiffany like on her book cover and
Speaker 3: things like that, Yeah, like what would you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I thought about you, tiff too. When Kendra was
Speaker 3: talking about the color green, what are the color greens
Speaker 3: that like? MINTI green? Like the color I'm wearing symbolizes
Speaker 3: what now? Because this is a color tiff has on.
Speaker 4: Her book So no, no, so for green?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kelly Green on the book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, it's a deeper green, but for
Speaker 4: and I actually have that book on my bedside. No,
Speaker 4: but the color green is more about right, nurturing, growing wealth, right,
Speaker 4: is what green stands for. And so that's the other
Speaker 4: thing when people talk about colors, where you can wear
Speaker 4: every color, it's the right shade or tone of that
Speaker 4: color for you. It's also what do those colors represent? Right.
Speaker 4: So red can be sexy, right, red can be playful,
Speaker 4: ray can be powerful or it can be danger right,
Speaker 4: depending on the context and where you're going and who
Speaker 4: you're talking to. It's how do you want to be seen.
Speaker 4: So the example that I give best is I have
Speaker 4: two clients who are psychologists. One deals with adults, the
Speaker 4: other one deals with children. For the gentleman who deals
Speaker 4: with adults, right, I had to put him in greens
Speaker 4: and browns and blues because blue is trustworthy, Brown is
Speaker 4: nurturing and stability, right, and green is part of that
Speaker 4: nurture sense. And so that's what we and then we
Speaker 4: shot him in like we shot him outdoors, right, So
Speaker 4: for him that was about stability and nurturing for adults.
Speaker 4: For my client who deals with kids. Right, we had
Speaker 4: to put her in bold colors or bold patterns, right,
Speaker 4: and bright colors because that's what kids are going to
Speaker 4: gravitate to, right, that sense of fun and playfulness. And
Speaker 4: so how you show up in the context of where
Speaker 4: you are is important. Right, if she went in wearing
Speaker 4: all black right to the kids, they'd be like, I
Speaker 4: don't know if I feel comfortable talking to her. Right,
Speaker 4: she needs to be approachable to them, and so it's
Speaker 4: important as to how people read that as well.
Speaker 3: And also like if people are not Like, even if
Speaker 3: you work in a field where you're interracting people a lot,
Speaker 3: and then you realize, I'm not really connecting with people
Speaker 3: in the right way. Maybe it's not your personality that's
Speaker 3: it's just like the image that you have, and it
Speaker 3: is something about it appealing or unappealing. I'm wondering because
Speaker 3: ever since I made this, you know, I've always been
Speaker 3: drawn to like brighter colors, But since I've been like
Speaker 3: really focusing on my wardrobe in that way, the kids
Speaker 3: at Rio's daycare they love me. They stop, They're like,
Speaker 3: there's Rio's mom. I think it's also the hair. I
Speaker 3: just come in looking like a good time, like most
Speaker 3: of the time. So Kendras here getting your whole entire
Speaker 3: life together. But let's take a pause for the cause
Speaker 3: and go to break and be right back. All right,
Speaker 3: can you check your texto, because I talk to you
Speaker 3: a picture of the gorgeous to me, like I need
Speaker 3: to know. And that's the thing where you like you
Speaker 3: saw Tracy have the same color red.
Speaker 2: No, she had like a pink. She had like this
Speaker 2: like other pink. So this is like more of a
Speaker 2: burnt orange in person, was it really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like it's it's yeah, it's like a really deep pumpkin
Speaker 1: in person.
Speaker 4: So to me, it looks like Tiffany is definitely warmer
Speaker 4: in coloring, okay, right, which means right, reds are great
Speaker 4: for you, right because you can do and you can
Speaker 4: do reds as a cool like, but I have to
Speaker 4: do a true red right like I can't do for me.
Speaker 4: None of these colors work, right.
Speaker 3: Okay, I look bad in those colors.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you guys can see this,
Speaker 4: I'm like, we'll do this. That's why. Right if I
Speaker 4: do this on like somewhearing red lipstick, this versus this,
Speaker 4: m do you see a difference?
Speaker 3: So I feel like one of them makes your color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's holding up her color cards, you know,
Speaker 1: just so like so you can what live would be.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So if we just do this versus this, which
Speaker 4: one's a true red?
Speaker 3: I don't even know these reds.
Speaker 4: It's just about these are cooler reds, right, So these
Speaker 4: are cooler reds. These are warmer reds for me? A
Speaker 4: cooler red? Is this right? What I'm wearing is more
Speaker 4: of a true red? And this pops on me versus
Speaker 4: me putting on something like.
Speaker 3: This which might not make you look as bright?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 3: Is that what we're kind of going for here, looking
Speaker 3: for colors that make you like, how do you know
Speaker 3: when it's the right shade? So you just pick your
Speaker 3: cool or you're warm and you're bright, and you carry
Speaker 3: on those little cards around.
Speaker 4: I do color swatches, you'll do it. But part of
Speaker 4: it also is is that if you're in the wrong color,
Speaker 4: you'll see more. And it's the lighting in here isn't
Speaker 4: great for you guys to see this, but what you
Speaker 4: end up seeing is you actually see more of the shading,
Speaker 4: so you see the shading under your eyes. If you've
Speaker 4: got if you are already worried about having bags on
Speaker 4: your eyes or a little darkness. If you have like
Speaker 4: I do, right, some you know, some some hair on
Speaker 4: the above your lip, right, it comes out darker. Right, it
Speaker 4: will show your creaselines as well. Right, so your laugh
Speaker 4: lies at a natural All of those pieces will come out.
Speaker 4: Your pores on your face will actually look bigger when
Speaker 4: you're in colors that are the right color for you. Now,
Speaker 4: when I tell that to people, I tell people, don't stress,
Speaker 4: like you don't have to get rid of all your
Speaker 4: wardrobe of pieces that don't fit you. But it is
Speaker 4: thent how do you layer those colors with other colors
Speaker 4: that do right? So it's if you're not in the
Speaker 4: right color. So if I'm wearing your cream top, I
Speaker 4: probably have on a bright color jacket over it or scarf. Right,
Speaker 4: that changes up the way that that looks.
Speaker 2: I make it parse.
Speaker 1: I feel like you told me that to your point,
Speaker 1: I have to ask Liella because sometimes I'll ask her, like, wait,
Speaker 1: what are my tones? Because she'll say, she said, if
Speaker 1: everybody thinks that black people have like red undertone, red undertone,
Speaker 1: and she's like, that's not you know, by nature being brown,
Speaker 1: that's not always the case, she's like, Tiffany, you have
Speaker 1: more yellow than people probably might not realize. We do
Speaker 1: a lot of berry. Very rarely does she put me
Speaker 1: in a full red. Berries look great as far as
Speaker 1: like on my lips. So I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: But so we do a lot of that that looks
Speaker 1: really great. She will create a red, so she'll mix
Speaker 1: to get to a red that like suits if I'm.
Speaker 2: Wanting to wear red, yea.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I find that like coral is one of
Speaker 1: my like really great go to colors that look that
Speaker 1: looks like great on.
Speaker 4: Me, that has a little bit more yellow to it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like deep tones I think, like, I guess
Speaker 1: my skin is pretty deep. And but deep tones I
Speaker 1: find because sometimes I wear something light, like a light
Speaker 1: loud like or a light yellow, and I'm like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the way, yeah, the way color works is
Speaker 4: that people, you look at the colors that work better
Speaker 4: for you, whether they're cool or they're warmer, and then
Speaker 4: you look at are they bright and vibrant, right, or
Speaker 4: bright vibrant and statue or are they soft and muted? Right?
Speaker 4: So what I mean by soft is are they pastels?
Speaker 4: Are they muted? Is are they gray out, right, So
Speaker 4: you're going to go either warm or cool, and then
Speaker 4: you're either doing right and saturated colors or you're doing
Speaker 4: muted and soft colors. Right. And what I tend to
Speaker 4: find is that, truthfully, it also has a lot to do.
Speaker 4: It's also reflecting people's personalities. Right, So those people who
Speaker 4: for you, definitely Tiffany, right, more saturated colors work better. Right,
Speaker 4: for Mandy, it's the pastels work better, but it's also
Speaker 4: bright pastels, right, More saturated pastels work well for you.
Speaker 4: I do really well in saturated colors again, kind of
Speaker 4: like kind of like Mandy, but a little bit different.
Speaker 4: I think Mandy reads a little bit softer, so she
Speaker 4: does a little bit more pastels that are saturated. I
Speaker 4: do right, like a heavy deep fuchia right in cold
Speaker 4: Walt blue.
Speaker 3: I want to be a deep fusia girl. I'm like
Speaker 3: the girl who keeps trying to buy the deep fusia
Speaker 3: lip lipsticks and they just stay in the drawer because
Speaker 3: I put it on and I'm like.
Speaker 4: It's screw.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It goes like from lips to style. I feel
Speaker 3: like we all deserve someone like you to just walk
Speaker 3: through from the hair, like the hair color. I know
Speaker 3: my hair color is not the right color right now.
Speaker 3: It's range. As my neighbor Sydney, who's eight years old,
Speaker 3: told me, it's Mandy.
Speaker 4: I like your hair.
Speaker 3: It's orange.
Speaker 4: I like you.
Speaker 2: You're like, okay.
Speaker 4: But to that point, to that point, beauty and coloring
Speaker 4: does matter because it's it's the reason why you go
Speaker 4: to the nail salon and write you put on. You
Speaker 4: find someone that has a particular color, you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I want to try it, and then you're like, no,
Speaker 4: that doesn't work for me. It's the same thing. It
Speaker 4: goes for your lipstick, it goes for your makeup, it
Speaker 4: goes for your hair color when you're dying it, all
Speaker 4: of it matters.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's liberating when you stop trying to
Speaker 3: pick what looks good on other people and start experimenting
Speaker 3: to see what your best version is. And I think
Speaker 3: that's the clique that I had working with like An,
Speaker 3: I think she was more of an image consultant now
Speaker 3: that I think about it, because we talked about what
Speaker 3: tone did I want to bring out? Like this is
Speaker 3: for all the pictures I have on my website and
Speaker 3: all that stuff my social media, and like what did
Speaker 3: I want to emote? What did I want to evoke,
Speaker 3: you know, to my audience. And it was Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was like letting go of what Like I wasn't going
Speaker 3: to look at Tiffany. Tiffany's our website are completely different,
Speaker 3: you know, different vibes, different, And it's like if I
Speaker 3: looked at hers or anyone else in my space and
Speaker 3: try to mimic it, it just wouldn't be I don't know,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't feel as authentic. I wouldn't be as excited
Speaker 3: to rep it, you know what I mean. So for
Speaker 3: people who are listening, who are maybe thinking like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is overwhelming's talking about hair nails style? Where in
Speaker 3: your closet? Where'd you start if you were like telling
Speaker 3: someone to you know, help, trying to help someone cull,
Speaker 3: like take out things that are maybe not working for
Speaker 3: them and you know, bring in more of the right stuff.
Speaker 4: So first and foremost right. And I think everybody's heard this,
Speaker 4: But if you haven't wonn it in six months, if
Speaker 4: you haven't wanted in.
Speaker 3: A year, let it go, right, that would deplete about
Speaker 3: ninety percent of my.
Speaker 1: Pick somebody else I didnerent one different one?
Speaker 3: Can we say six years. Can I get a little extension, listen,
Speaker 3: I have it might fit me again, Kendra, it might
Speaker 3: fit me again.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, so he's perfect, right, perfect segue. If it
Speaker 4: might fit you again, the question is do you want
Speaker 4: to represent that version of you or are you willing
Speaker 4: to then invest in something that represents who you are now?
Speaker 4: Whatever that now is.
Speaker 3: That's sweet, right, Yeah, I try. I think living in
Speaker 3: the city has forced me to get rid of things
Speaker 3: a lot faster because you move and like you don't
Speaker 3: have that much clouset based in New York and whatever,
Speaker 3: and I live in a smaller house now, So I
Speaker 3: think I have been better about getting rid of stuff.
Speaker 3: But there are like there's versions of myself that I
Speaker 3: know don't exist anymore. There's stuff that I wore, you know,
Speaker 3: when I was at Yahoo and early in my career
Speaker 3: as a journalist that I'm just not That's just not
Speaker 3: the vibe anymore.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the six month rule is painful.
Speaker 4: It's painful. Truth. So truth, right, if you don't do
Speaker 4: it in the six month, like, definitely do, I say,
Speaker 4: try and call every season right because you are stepping
Speaker 4: into a new season and you're looking to wear close
Speaker 4: so if it doesn't fit you and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: maybe the question is did you wear it last year?
Speaker 4: If you didn't wear it last year, right at the
Speaker 4: same season, let it go right to the faces have.
Speaker 1: To be I'm talking to Mandy. I'm like, girl, you
Speaker 1: heard what she said? What's your closet? I'm nice the
Speaker 1: lamb with foolishness.
Speaker 3: I also don't leave the house anymore, but I might
Speaker 3: leave the house in the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Actually, the output that I wore to the output that
Speaker 3: I wore to that conference, I probably had in my
Speaker 3: closet for about six months. Sometimes I buy things and
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'll find, oh, I got the most
Speaker 3: amazing like green sequin jumpsuit, don't ask with shorts. It's
Speaker 3: from Eloquy, and I'll buy it, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to have a party to go to in that
Speaker 3: outfit in the future, which maybe isn't the best for
Speaker 3: my budget. But anyway, I had those like aspirational clothes
Speaker 3: that I'm not going to wear every day. But my
Speaker 3: style has been I feel like run down by me
Speaker 3: just being seen from the waist up in my zen den,
Speaker 3: like I don't my feet. I got the pants I'm
Speaker 3: wearing right now? Are you know what I slept in?
Speaker 3: If I'm on right?
Speaker 4: So listen, that's fine. It's different. I kept putting listen,
Speaker 4: I kept turning the camera off because I didn't have
Speaker 4: pants on them, and I was like, let me actually
Speaker 4: go putps on. So we're fine, right, stylist, don't get
Speaker 4: it twisted. I like, I do everything like everybody else does, right,
Speaker 4: but when I get on camera, it's let me make
Speaker 4: sure that I look good from the waist up. So
Speaker 4: even if you're talking about this is all that you
Speaker 4: do when you're on meetings on zoom, doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: you still can't be style right. You still want to
Speaker 4: be able to wear what you have and make it
Speaker 4: look good, right. So that's my first thing about culling.
Speaker 4: I think the second thing is about fit right. So
Speaker 4: to me, fit is the biggest pet peeve because having
Speaker 4: something that fits you properly will make you look amazing,
Speaker 4: and people don't realize it. Right, Some people wear things.
Speaker 3: Feel amazing because you're not tugging stuff. Mandy Woodruff, Stop
Speaker 3: buying things that you think you should be the right
Speaker 3: size in, but you're not, Like, it's why do I
Speaker 3: torture myself.
Speaker 4: Here's what I tell people. Clothes are being mass produced,
Speaker 4: we are not, right, But they're not being mass produced
Speaker 4: for mass bodies. They're being produced for the one fit model,
Speaker 4: which is a model who they use to put the
Speaker 4: clothes on for the same fit for the same brand. Right.
Speaker 4: That's ideally what a fit model is. If you are
Speaker 4: not that model shape, their clothes may not fit you
Speaker 4: really well, right, or part of their clothes will, and
Speaker 4: some of them won't because they will also send it
Speaker 4: out to manufacturers for private label, which means they're not
Speaker 4: even making it. They're buying it from someone else who's
Speaker 4: making it. So it's never about the size. It's never
Speaker 4: about the quote unquote number. It is about what is there,
Speaker 4: What do their numbers say in terms of measurements for
Speaker 4: their sizes, so that you should know what your measurements
Speaker 4: are right, your bust, your waist, your hips, so that
Speaker 4: when you're buying pants, if I say I'm a size eighteen,
Speaker 4: but my hips are a fifty three, and in this
Speaker 4: particular brand, a fifty three is a twenty two, then
Speaker 4: I've got to go with the twenty two to make
Speaker 4: sure that that fits me right, And so yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I tell people it was humbling having an image consultant
Speaker 3: pick my sizes because I was like, why are you
Speaker 3: being so mean?
Speaker 2: No, but that that actually really makes a little sense.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've gotten measured, like you know,
Speaker 1: past I don't even remember the last time I've gotten measured,
Speaker 1: because you're right, the certain sizes, you know, like I
Speaker 1: can range from you know how it is with black girls.
Speaker 1: I can go from the lowest and eight, you know,
Speaker 1: up to a twelve, depending on like the fit or
Speaker 1: the brand or whatever. Sometimes even though fourteen, it just
Speaker 1: you know, if it's the top, I might be a medium.
Speaker 1: If it's the bottom, I might be a large or
Speaker 1: extra large. So it just so to know, like this
Speaker 1: is what my actual measurements are, even though that fluctuates.
Speaker 1: It is I never thought about that because sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: get something and I'm like, one thing I have done
Speaker 1: recently is I heard this on another podcast she was
Speaker 1: saying how she loved this. There was a black woman
Speaker 1: and she would say, oh my gosh, I love my
Speaker 1: dry cleaner because they know my body and they do alterations.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a few bucks that I was like, when
Speaker 1: I tell you, I have since taken everything to Miss
Speaker 1: Susie down in Belleville.
Speaker 4: Susie nov like, hey girl, I'm like, first.
Speaker 2: Of all, I know you know your name is not Susie.
Speaker 1: That's just the American because you don't want people to
Speaker 1: say your Asian name wrong, so we just laugh. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my name is also not tough. But I mean literally
Speaker 1: some of my most beautiful alphas that I'm like, it
Speaker 1: just needed that extra little tuck, that extra little hem,
Speaker 1: that extra little They look amazing now for a few bucks.
Speaker 1: And I can't believe I waited along to get things
Speaker 1: tailored to my body.
Speaker 4: It's I don't know what it is about the way
Speaker 4: women are brought up. I want to say, right, and
Speaker 4: how we're taught to shop because as boys as men, right,
Speaker 4: everything is fitted. Everything is based on a size, like
Speaker 4: and on a measurement. Right, Their shirt sizes is their's
Speaker 4: neck size and the link of their arms. Their pants
Speaker 4: are their waist and the end scene. Right, women's sizes
Speaker 4: aren't that there. It's like the standard two four, six eight,
Speaker 4: But we're not standards, right, All of that's different. Men's
Speaker 4: sizes are different. Men's are actually based on their actual measurements.
Speaker 4: And so when I tell women, no, this needs to
Speaker 4: get altered, they're like, no, it should fit. I'm like,
Speaker 4: but why why should it fit right? There's no reason
Speaker 4: why if I make something as a brand and somebody
Speaker 4: else makes something as a brand, because there's no standard
Speaker 4: in the industry that all of that should fit you.
Speaker 4: So definitely fit for the widest part of your body first,
Speaker 4: and then tailor everything down right. So whether that's your bust,
Speaker 4: whether that's your hips, whatever, the widest part of you
Speaker 4: is fit that first, and then tailor in right. And
Speaker 4: then that is at the tailor of the waist because
Speaker 4: the hips are hippen, the hips are in a whole
Speaker 4: different section of the grocer of the stick.
Speaker 1: Gets right, yes, but my hips in the back is like,
Speaker 1: hey girl, so we can get a whole wearing belts.
Speaker 3: Wearing belts. But like, my husband gets custom shirts from
Speaker 3: proper cloth made because he has really long arms and
Speaker 3: he just has always done that. He doesn't shop off
Speaker 3: the rack. If he does, he's usually unhappy with it.
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, and he gets his stuff let
Speaker 3: out when he gained weight or let in. You know,
Speaker 3: when he's got back down and he just does it
Speaker 3: without like the emotional hang ups that I have at
Speaker 3: the same time, like I've lost some battle. But but
Speaker 3: he can do that because his pieces are like higher quality.
Speaker 3: So they can be you know, they're meant to be
Speaker 3: taken in or not meant to be, but they can
Speaker 3: be taken in taken out.
Speaker 4: And I mean, where would you.
Speaker 3: Say to get fitted at?
Speaker 4: Oh, go ahead, well no, And I was going to say,
Speaker 4: I'm like, there's higher quality and quality of taking things in?
Speaker 4: Is yes? Am I going to take something in from
Speaker 4: Forever twenty one or write some fash fashion brand? Maybe
Speaker 4: not right? But if I get it at you know,
Speaker 4: if I get something that's called quality piece, that quality
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean that you have to spend right two
Speaker 4: th hundred dollars for it. It can be a good quality
Speaker 4: piece that's one hundred dollars or less. If I get
Speaker 4: it taken in to fit perfectly and it looks like
Speaker 4: a two hundred dollars piece because now it fits me,
Speaker 4: is it worth it right now? Whether you want to
Speaker 4: buy something that's one hundred dollars and have something that
Speaker 4: needs to get taken in for one hundred dollars, that's
Speaker 4: a very different story. But to have something taken in
Speaker 4: or pants taken up, waste taken in, right, it's going
Speaker 4: to cost you somewhere between depending on where you live, right,
Speaker 4: twelve dollars to fifteen to twenty dollars. It's not a
Speaker 4: lot of money invest into an additional piece that you bought, right,
Speaker 4: that you've probably got on sale. Well, let's be real, right,
Speaker 4: that's going to fit you well and that you're going
Speaker 4: to wear well. Right, That's the other thing. And I
Speaker 4: tell people also think about investment pieces as as buys. Right.
Speaker 4: So if we're going to go to the budget at
Speaker 4: easter route, there is what's called a cost per wear,
Speaker 4: which is how many times are you wearing that piece
Speaker 4: that you are investing in? Right, So, if you're going
Speaker 4: to spend five hundred dollars on a dress, is that
Speaker 4: dress something that you're going to have for years because
Speaker 4: it's quality, Right, You've paid for the quality, You've paid
Speaker 4: for the fit that you're wearing at least once a
Speaker 4: week if it's a basic piece, or every other week
Speaker 4: because you can put it in and out of your
Speaker 4: wardrobe and use it with alternate pieces, right, so that
Speaker 4: you're creating a wardrobe that is going to last you
Speaker 4: and that you're wearing consistently. Buying it and wearing it
Speaker 4: one hundred times is very different than buying a piece
Speaker 4: and wearing it twenty five times, right, So it's looking
Speaker 4: at the investment in the pieces that you're wearing and
Speaker 4: making sure that that makes sense. Right.
Speaker 3: You could sell me a mattress right now with that
Speaker 3: how they sell you mattresses and appliances. You're going to
Speaker 3: sleep on this one thousand hours, so really it's eight
Speaker 3: cents per se. Forget about it being five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, kender. So for I do want to ask though,
Speaker 3: like where can you get fitted today? Like for Bras,
Speaker 3: because I know BRA's eye for me has changed, yes
Speaker 3: with children, and like it's frustrating to think I have
Speaker 3: to go do this again, but it's we deserve right
Speaker 3: to acknowledge our changes. So like where would you say,
Speaker 3: like to start with getting fitted and getting measured so
Speaker 3: that you can start thinking like shopping more thoughtfully.
Speaker 4: Here's where I tell people, think about this is the
Speaker 4: best way I can say it. Think about wherever your
Speaker 4: grammar the may have gone to shop for bras, right,
Speaker 4: And I say that only because if you are going
Speaker 4: to Victoria's Secrets, Listen, I love Vicky's for your Lord.
Speaker 4: The aesthetic of it five twenty five. I'm sorry, the
Speaker 4: five twenty five way.
Speaker 3: That's my jam.
Speaker 4: You're trying to play me out in high school, listen, Right,
Speaker 4: you can do that with underwear. With bras, you need
Speaker 4: to be fitted properly and so right, there's an aesthetic piece, great,
Speaker 4: but you also need to understand, as women, breasts come
Speaker 4: in different shapes, different sizes, where you are holding the
Speaker 4: mass of your of your breast, right, whether it's lower,
Speaker 4: whether it's a full or bust, all of those things matter,
Speaker 4: and the type of bra that you wear matters in
Speaker 4: terms of the actual cut. Right. So just like jeans, right,
Speaker 4: different genes fit different parts of the body of all
Speaker 4: of that same thing with bras, Right, there's I am
Speaker 4: a I am a forty h I can't wear a
Speaker 4: Demi cup bra, right, I am just going to spill
Speaker 4: out of it. That's not going to hold me properly.
Speaker 4: But I can do a balconet, which is going to
Speaker 4: give me the same look as a Demi cup bra, Right,
Speaker 4: and I'll sit higher understanding all of those pieces. Getting fitted,
Speaker 4: you really need to go to a specialty place to
Speaker 4: get fitted right and get fitted properly. Some places like
Speaker 4: Nordstrom Rack, not norom Rack, Nordstrum's right your Dark Apartment Stores,
Speaker 4: Macy's and so forth, Bloomingdale's, they do have people that fit.
Speaker 4: Some of them are great, some of them are not.
Speaker 4: What I will tell you is that you get your
Speaker 4: most support around your band right. So your band should
Speaker 4: You should start at the last loop, so where you're
Speaker 4: where the bra strap ends right should be where you start,
Speaker 4: and then you work your way in right so that
Speaker 4: as you wear your bra over time, it is right.
Speaker 4: The rubber in it, the elastic in it starts to
Speaker 4: wear down, you make it tighter right. So you should
Speaker 4: never start on the inside one. You should always start
Speaker 4: on the outside loops and work your way in. That
Speaker 4: being said, you should never be able to pull your
Speaker 4: bra too far away from your body, like you should
Speaker 4: be able to slip your hand under your bra right
Speaker 4: for your band for the support, and then right then
Speaker 4: your shoulder straps come second. Right, so it's where people
Speaker 4: are like, oh, it's digging into my shoulders it's because
Speaker 4: you're not getting the support that you need around around
Speaker 4: your around your chest, right around the actual bust, and
Speaker 4: you're trying to use the shoulder support and that's that's
Speaker 4: supposed to be secondary. Right. The other thing is is
Speaker 4: that what's called the gore at the very front if
Speaker 4: you are wearing an underwire bra, the gore of the
Speaker 4: bra is the very front of the bra where the
Speaker 4: two wires meet right on left and right. That should
Speaker 4: sit flat against your chest. Right, the uniboob, the double boob,
Speaker 4: all of that should not happen. I don't care what
Speaker 4: size you are, right because where women tell me, well,
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm an ie or I'm a jay,
Speaker 4: I'm an h I know what that means. I still
Speaker 4: can fit my fist in the middle of my chest
Speaker 4: when I wear a bra. Right, I had that separation,
Speaker 4: I have that lift. Your breast should sit really halfway
Speaker 4: through where your arm is right, should be the peak
Speaker 4: of your breast, and that's where they should sit. Now,
Speaker 4: there are some women who, like I said, different women,
Speaker 4: different bodies, different breasts, sit a little bit lower, and
Speaker 4: that happens, right. There's some people who sit a little
Speaker 4: bit wider, some people who are a little bit closer together.
Speaker 4: All of those come into play in terms of the
Speaker 4: types of brands that work for different body shapes or
Speaker 4: different breast shapes, as you say, right, So it's also
Speaker 4: being mindful of that as well. Right, we all love
Speaker 4: Vicki's because it's cute and sexy. Is it going to
Speaker 4: give you the proper support? Not really unless you're a
Speaker 4: smaller cup, right, but if you're anything out there in
Speaker 4: so long.
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing about brod there's so many
Speaker 3: better brands now, which is exciting, Like, there's so many
Speaker 3: better brands, And I feel like also the best thing
Speaker 3: about being a zoom worker now is I really don't
Speaker 3: have to wear bad right now camera is situated just below.
Speaker 1: Working because it feels weird for me to be hanging loose.
Speaker 1: So I like to wear like like a sports brad
Speaker 1: like this around the house.
Speaker 4: And here's the other thing I'll say too, Lose ten pounds,
Speaker 4: gain ten pounds, get refitted like no matter what, right,
Speaker 4: because how you carry your weight will also change.
Speaker 3: Well, Kendra, this has been enlightening. I feel like you
Speaker 3: could write a book just on broads alone. But where
Speaker 3: can people find you? If they want to work with you,
Speaker 3: or they want to follow your work or just get
Speaker 3: to know you and start, you know, exploring their style.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. You can find me on social media on
Speaker 4: your Style and then my website is also on your
Speaker 4: style dot com. And I am actually doing a course
Speaker 4: over the next April and May on talking about style
Speaker 4: and what that looks like for individuals, understanding how they
Speaker 4: understand their colors, their body shape, how to dress for
Speaker 4: their body shape right, and for their lifestyle.
Speaker 3: I love it, all right, Kendra, thank you so so
Speaker 3: so so much. If you need any models for any
Speaker 3: future you know, consulting or whatever, let us know. I
Speaker 3: probably will text you to remind me what my what
Speaker 3: my shades are bright and warm or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: But it's been so fun having you on.
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, ladies. I appreciate being here. Remember
Speaker 4: always honor your style, Honor you.
Speaker 3: Thank you with the tag wine and Danna love that