1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Ba fam, we have another how to throw back for you, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: of course we do. We're looking back at some of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: our favorite episodes from days past for memorable guests, too 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: unforgettable moments. There's still so much to learn from. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: The b A Vault. Take a listen, will you? 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 3: Hey? 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, We're back. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 4: We're black, We're. 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 5: Brand Ambition, Ambition, Ambition, Hey maner, how. 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: Are you girl? 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 4: Hello? 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: Lady in red, I haven't seen you in this color before. 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: It's a it's a instead of a short set, it's 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: a skirt set. I got it from the Amazon. 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: From Amazon people, Yeah, shopping on Amazon. I haven't really 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: done a lot of people to get cute stuff. Yeah, 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: that's how I feel. It's either going to be good 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: quality or like Forever twenty one Clearance been you know, 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: quality is how I feel. But I love that you're 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 3: in this new bright color. I am in this one 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: of my favorite shades, which I am now over analyzing 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: and I'm like, is this my color palette? Am I 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: a winter summer whatever? I'm really excited about today's show, 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: and the reason we're talking a little bit about style 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: is one I think if you follow broad Ambition from 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: the very beginning, it's been almost eight years now, can 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: you believe? 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: Can you believe? 29 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: We're in the third grade almost, and we have changed 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: quite a bit. I feel like our style has evolved. 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: I think all of our styles are constantly evolving, especially 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: like we talked a lot about hair during a recent episode, 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: and like how that can evolve with your career and 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: your business. And I think style is such. I mean, 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: obviously hair is this. Hair and style, it's the same 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: thing basically when you're a woman of color. I feel like, 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: but today we have a really fantastic guest, Tiffany, and 38 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: I can't wait for y'all to meet here. I met 39 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: this woman at a recent conference that I spoke at, 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: and I didn't even realize I hadn't really thought about 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: my style very much. But after listening to this our 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: guest speaking about it, I instantly was like, you know, 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: I do put thought into it. But I feel like 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: there's so much hunger and a lot of us to 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: have more, like to have more of a style and 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: to own it a little bit more. What has your 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: style like evolution been, Tiffany, As you've gone from Budgetista, 48 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 3: I was always like Netflix, she were in Netflix Red. 49 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: Today I have been. 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Super tom Boys kind of like my whole life. I 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: never really thought about clothes too much. But then as 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: I started to start my business, not dressing well harmed 53 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: my business because they were literally like I would get 54 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: feedback what I would meet with someone hoping to like, 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, launch maybe a workshop series whatever, I would 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: get feedback and say, like, I like Tifny, but she 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: didn't really dress very professionally, and I was like, because 58 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: before then. 59 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: I was in preschool team. 60 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: Really yeah, I got a couple of people who said 61 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: that because pre school teacher, you know, you're like, can 62 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: this be thrown up on? 63 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 4: I'll wear it. 64 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: So I got to delay developing my style because I 65 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, professionally, it was like comfort, comfort, comfort. It 66 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: should be able to get dirty, and that's what I 67 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: was for ten years. So I didn't know what to wear. 68 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: So thankfully my sister Tracy, who's also a publicist, she 69 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: is always super well dressed. So I started to lean 70 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: into her and said, can you help me create like 71 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: a Budgetissa look, which is like very very professional looking. 72 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: And now I'm easing up on the budget Lisa being 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: more super tailored and like, you know, interjecting more of 74 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: my funness into it. And so I'm in this new 75 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: space now where I'm like bringing forth the feminine. That's 76 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: what I told myself, you know, because I know I 77 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: got little body on me. 78 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: A little bit too. Wait body, yes, a little. 79 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Body, you know, and I've never shown I met this 80 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: woman in I was at brunch in Brooklyn with my 81 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: sister Lisa, and a budgetista fan came up to. 82 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: Me was like, girl, I know you had that body. 83 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I'm leaning into my feminine a 84 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: little bit like one in a way that makes me 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: feel comfortable because I don't like having all all the 86 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: girls out, but in a way that I'm like, girl, 87 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: you got a body, like you know, embrace it. 88 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. For me, I think because my body size changed 89 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: has always changes every two years. I'm up and down. 90 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: I have this like opra condition, and I think that 91 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: has always made it really difficult for me to just 92 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: like settle in a style because it was like, you know, 93 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: when I'm growing up getting dressed, getting styled by the 94 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: Sears plus size section, which is like for little girls, 95 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: you know, in the way far back corner by like 96 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: the granny you know stuff and the petite section, and 97 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: to be like, here's my mom would just drag me 98 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: back there and be like, which Hello Kitty or Winnie 99 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: the Pooh ensemble would you like? Because like these are 100 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: the options. So I have been like plus size, and 101 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: you know, every you know from from way too skinny 102 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: you had some issues to like, you know, plus size, 103 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: and it has made it almost to the point where 104 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: I didn't want to think about like I I didn't 105 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 3: think I deserved or could have a look because it 106 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: would mean like investing more in new clothes because my 107 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 3: size has changed again. And that finally broke for me 108 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago when I had the opportunity 109 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: to do like a real brand photo shoot and I 110 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: worked with a family friend of mine who was like, 111 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: she's a stylist in her free time, and I had 112 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 3: her picking things for me, and she introduced me to 113 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: you like, for so long I had been trying to 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: develop a style by shopping at like old Navy in 115 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: H and M, and I get so annoyed because then 116 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: he got on the subway and every other girl has 117 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: the exact same, you know, look. And she introduced me 118 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: to like curating different pieces and like putting them together, 119 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 3: and she really helped me get out of the trap 120 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: of like not buying something because I didn't like the 121 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: size I had to buy in it, which I don't 122 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: know if you ever been like as a as a 123 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: plus size woman, and I know our guest is as well. 124 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: Like you, you get so caught up in like what 125 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: size something is, and are people no one's gonna know 126 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: what size it is, you know. But she helped me 127 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 3: finally get out of that trap of stop holding yourself 128 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: back from looking amazing because you're more there's shame around 129 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: what size of that you have to have. And now 130 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: ever since I like broke that spell, I feel like 131 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: it's been so much more fun to like discover new 132 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: brands I'm a huge fan of like Eloquy. I wear 133 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: their stuff all the time and they do fourteen plus fashion, 134 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: And also like stop wasting time over analyzing myself and 135 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: being like embarrassed because no one does know what your 136 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: size is. They just know how you're moving confidently, like 137 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: in your fashion, you know. So I don't know if 138 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: y'all my fashion has been like muted, muted, muted, and 139 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: then like this explosion of my personality color, you know, 140 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: I want joy to come through with the style that 141 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: I have, and it's been. Yeah, it's been liberating, and 142 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: I'm glad I got there now because I feel like 143 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: so many of us we wait till, like, I don't 144 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: know when do we stop giving giving a crop about 145 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: people think about us on average? 146 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm still trying to have eight I'm forty, 147 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: and I would say I'm about eighty percent. Girl, what 148 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: nobody cares? They're still about a little thirty percent. I'm like, 149 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: but I do. 150 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm trying to do well. I still got collagen, 151 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: you know, while there's some loaf in the skin, Like 152 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: just even on vacation. I told you, I've never felt 153 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: sexier than I was on our vacation a couple of 154 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: weeks ago. I've never been heavyer. I got this huge 155 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: seven month baby bump. 156 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: But I was rocking bikinis. 157 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: I wasn't. I wasn't hiding behind a cover up. I wasn't. 158 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: I was just like, this is my body, like this 159 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: is There's nothing to be ashamed about anyway. So that's 160 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: been It's a good I think. I feel like I 161 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: hope that more of us are feeling that way. I credit, 162 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: do you have a style icon? Because I credit Lizzo 163 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: for making me feel better about my lumps and bumps. 164 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 5: You know what, I don't. 165 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: Actually, maybe that's my problem. I don't have a style. 166 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: Icon, like someone that you look to and you're like, oh, 167 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: you know, they are so put together. That's who I 168 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: kind of want to That's the vibe I want to 169 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: give off. 170 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: Not a particular woman, but more so like the Brooklyn 171 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn black girl I love because I'm like an 172 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: afrocentric at my core, and so I love like the 173 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: Brooklyn batty blacker that's just walking big hair, like it's 174 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: just so that there's no one particular, but like I 175 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: love that look and it just looks so effortlessly. She 176 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: can bohemian but like sexy but not super because I'm 177 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: not really like I said, like my girls are not 178 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: all out, you know, So I would say that that 179 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn the summer Brooklyn black girl is my icon. 180 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll never be that cool. I really 181 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: want to get to our guests because she is. This 182 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: is what she does. She works with people like you 183 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: and I and I mean not just that but just 184 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: regular regular folks. And when I'm going to her style 185 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: talk at this conference that I went to, Like, the 186 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: women were lining up afterward, and she wouldn't these small 187 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: tweaks to their outfits and you can see their eyes 188 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: light up, you know, like oh I didn't think I 189 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: didn't look at it this way, or like this actually 190 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: does look good on me? And it was so powerful, 191 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: So I had to have her on. I want to 192 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: introduce her finally to y'all, BA fam. Her name is 193 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: Kendra Porter. She is a teed X speaker, an award 194 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: winning image consultant, and a wardrobe stylist. She is the 195 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: founder of Honor Your Style image consulting agency, where she's 196 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: worked with thousands of clients, helping them reimagine their style. 197 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Kendra uses fashion as a tool to develop personal and 198 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: professional brands, and her motto is honor your Style, Honor you. 199 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: These days, you can find Kendra producing events on the 200 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: mic for well known retailers like Neiman Marcus. She facilitates 201 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: trainings like I went to on personal branding and style. 202 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: She also teaches at a little school you might have 203 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: heard of called FIT or the Fashion Institute of Technology 204 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: in New York City, and she's also in studio dressing 205 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: on air talent at NBC Sports and has even dressed 206 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: talent for the Olympics. Come on now. Over a decade 207 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: of experience, she has dressed for designers at New York 208 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: Fashion Week, from Oscar Della Rented to Problem. Yeah, how 209 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: do you say that, Kendra? Probably Garung, I'd be you 210 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: know when you see something, but you know, anyway, whatever, 211 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: She's very, very impressive and we are so freaking excited 212 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 3: to have Kendra on the show. 213 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: Welcome Kendra, Thank you, ladies, thank you so much for 214 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: having me. And I did say proble Garung, my apologies. 215 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: I was not unmiked, unmiked, unmuted, but uh yeah, listen, 216 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 4: even for me saying some of the designer's names, I'm like, wait, 217 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 4: hold on, let me google. 218 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: They deserve Well. I'm so happy to have you on. 219 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: I mean we headed off. We're like new besties because 220 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 3: we also live in the same zip code we do 221 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: over here representing Westchester. But is it true did you 222 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: meet Tiffany before, like a million lifetimes ago? 223 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I met Tiffany, And I don't know if 224 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: you even remember this, Tiffany, like I met you when 225 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: I was first starting out. So this probably eleven twelve 226 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: years ago, right, you had just started out as well, 227 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: and we were at a women of Chamber commerce meeting 228 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: in the city, like off of fourteenth Street. Don't ask 229 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: me why I remember all of these details, but I do. 230 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: And ever since then, right, I've been part of the 231 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: dream Catchers and right following you for all these years, 232 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 4: so I appreciate it, and we've touched base every now 233 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: and then. But it's been an amazing journey to watch 234 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: you and I am so proud of all that you've 235 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 4: done throughout the years, for sure, So kudos to you. 236 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, and welcome to you. 237 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: We'll talk about like being an image consultant first of all, Kendra, 238 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: because you do on the personal and the professional level. 239 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 3: Why is it important, Like why should people from us 240 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: who are public facing to just everyday working women be 241 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 3: thinking about our image. So the first thing I like 242 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: to explain to people is the difference between an image 243 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: consultant and a stylist, right, Because everyone's like, well, I'm 244 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: not a celebrity, and so I happen to be both, right, 245 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: I tell people, as an image consultant, it is about 246 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 3: the person, right, you as a as a total package, 247 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: your personality, your lifestyle, your budget, all of it. And 248 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: so it is making sure that you are aligned with 249 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: what you are trying to represent as a person, right 250 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: and communicating that through your fashion as well. 251 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 4: As a stylist. Right, it is about the clothes. So 252 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: if you walk into a room and someone says, oh 253 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 4: my god, that person looks amazing, that's an image consultant. Right, 254 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: you see the person as a whole. If you walk 255 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 4: into a room and someone says, oh my god, where'd 256 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 4: you get those shoes? That is a stylist. Right. It's 257 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 4: about the It's about the fashion, the dress, the shoes, 258 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: the pieces right that are speaking above who you are 259 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 4: as an individual. And so you know, the importance is 260 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 4: is that as a person as a whole, regardless of 261 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 4: whether you're you know, in the limelight or if you're 262 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 4: living your daily life, you want to represent the best 263 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 4: person you are. Right. We always say that we should 264 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: always put our best foot forward, no matter what, even 265 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: running to the grocery store. But running to the grocery 266 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: store may mean putting out moisturizer and putting your hair 267 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: in a bun, right, like running a brush through your hair, 268 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: the simple things. Because we are, unfortunately, right, we are 269 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 4: in a culture that does judge and that does see people, 270 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 4: and it's that visual representation is the first thing that 271 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 4: you see. 272 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's with social 273 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: media too. There it's this like dichotomy because I think 274 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: on social media some hows you want to be raw, unfiltered, 275 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: no makeup, whatever, But there's a very different version of 276 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: yourself when you show up to present something or to 277 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: represent your brand, you know, among potential advertisers or potential clients. 278 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: How do you sort of towe that line between like 279 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 3: honoring both sides, where like, I mean, you kind of 280 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: want to like resist the need to be like Tiff 281 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: and I. I don't know, Tiff, like you're going through 282 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 3: this glow up phase where you know, she puts the 283 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: F and then we hear not that you have before. 284 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 4: It's just different. But it's so yeah, yeah, it's so. 285 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, right, nobody's saying you have to wear 286 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 4: makeup every day, Right, That's not what we're saying. What 287 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 4: we're saying is is that you want to represent the 288 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 4: best you, even as a natural, even as a natural 289 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: right fresh faced, running out of running to the grocery 290 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: store or what have you. Right, I don't wear makeup 291 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 4: every day. I only wear makeup when I'm doing events 292 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: or I'm on camera. Right, If you see me out 293 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 4: on the street, I don't have makeup on, right, but 294 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: I'm dressed in a way that people may say, oh, right, 295 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 4: where'd you get those sneakers? Right? Where did you? You know? 296 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: What's what's kind of sort of sticking out? And that's 297 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: the stylus side of me, right, Or I may help 298 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 4: people with that, right if I'm of course in a 299 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: store shopping and it's like, oh, here, look at this, 300 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: and then they take a look at me, because if 301 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: I'm dressed right, if I'm dressed in an oversized sweat 302 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 4: or in a pair of leggings trying to style somebody, 303 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 4: they're like, I'm not really sure you're the right person 304 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 4: for me, right, But of course I'm going to be 305 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 4: in fashionable leggings and fashionable sweatshirt. So that's a different story. 306 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: But it is you want to be who you are authentically, 307 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 4: and it is the simple things, right, So like when 308 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: you talked about making those little tweaks when we were 309 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: at the seminar, it is grooming right, looking at brushing 310 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 4: your hair, looking at adding moisturizer. Looking at doing lip bomb. 311 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: Nobody says you have to put on lipstick, but do 312 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 4: a lip bomb right so that you don't have chap lips. 313 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: I don't care. It's the little things that make you 314 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: look a little bit more polished that it's like, oh, 315 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 4: you got everything put together and you're not wearing anything different, right, 316 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: but it is. Can we can we iron our shirts 317 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: before we go outside? Right, those little things that help 318 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: to tweak and polish you on a general basis. And 319 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: then when you're talking about showing up as a professional 320 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: and in your career, yeah, you do need to look 321 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: a particular way, right. You do need to represent who 322 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 4: you are as a brand. Now. Granted there are the 323 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: likes of like Steve Jobs and all of that, but 324 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: we know them for not their style and that they 325 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 4: are trying to make the minimum decisions that they need 326 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: to in their fashion. As a brand. You need to 327 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: figure out what that looks like for you individually, and 328 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: then making sure that you assign what you're wearing to 329 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: that brand, to whatever it is that is for you. 330 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: As black women, right, Like we are policed in so 331 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: many different ways our hair, you know, like the way 332 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: we wear our makeup, like even just like one of 333 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: the reasons why I don't wear tight things is because 334 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: I know I got a lot of booty, and so 335 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: I know that unfortunately, my natural body is perceived in 336 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: some arenas, especially financial education, as unprofessional. There's nothing I've done, 337 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: like this is how I was born. 338 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: So it's the sexualization of black women's bodies. That's a 339 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: whole other conversation. Yes, so what can like, as you know, what. 340 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: Advice can you give for as we show up as 341 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: black women with our bodies and how we just naturally look, 342 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, how can we create this like lead this 343 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: foundation of professionalism without being like I. 344 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: Got to hide my body in order to do so. 345 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 4: Right, So there's a couple of things, I think. So 346 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 4: one of the things that I go through with my 347 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 4: clients is I do ask them to pick out words, right, 348 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: So I tell them, choose three words that represent what 349 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: you want to be known for. And I mean three 350 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: words in terms of personality traits, right, whether that's intelligent, 351 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 4: whether that's creative, whether that's a boss. What are those 352 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 4: three words? And then pick two style words, right, so 353 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: whether it's romantic or edgy or funky, and then use 354 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: that to build your looks each morning. Right. So if 355 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: I say that I am going to be edgy, creative 356 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 4: and welcoming, right, I'm not. And then I want to 357 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 4: be edge of creative, welcoming, I said five, right, professional, 358 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 4: and fun. I'm not wearing all black every day, right, 359 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 4: just because I'm trying to either hide my body, hide 360 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 4: who I am, right, hide my personality. I am going 361 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 4: to wear bright colors. I'm going to wear patterns. I'm 362 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: going to wear things that are a little bit more slick, right, 363 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 4: So for me and that and those words can change too, right, 364 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 4: So don't say these are the words that you're holding 365 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 4: to and you can't ever change that. It's also based 366 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 4: on context, right, So where are you going? How do 367 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: you want to be seen within that community? Right within 368 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: those people that you're going to and then using those 369 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 4: words to change. And it's also based on how you feel. 370 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 4: So you get up in the morning, there are days 371 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 4: where you're like, you know what, I just want to 372 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: get up and keep it moving. And so you're going 373 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 4: to throw on a like jeans and T shirts. Okay, 374 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 4: well what does that look like for that day? Right? 375 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 4: Are you? Are you the bohemian that day? And so 376 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: you're going to do gens and write like a white 377 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: oversized blouse and a pair of and doodenim and right 378 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 4: like lots of brown leather. Or is it that you're 379 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: gonna do a sweatshirt right like a hoodie and a 380 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 4: leather jacket and a paradium right, two different looks, both casual, 381 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 4: but both can still be fun and exciting for you. Right. 382 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 4: You should enjoy getting dressed in the morning. That's the 383 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: other thing, is that whatever you put on should bring 384 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 4: you joy because how you dress also affect your mood. 385 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 4: It's not just about how other people see you, but 386 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: it's also how you see yourself. So those people who 387 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: think about this way, even if you're wearing sweats, right, 388 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: and if you put on sexy underwear, undersweats is a 389 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 4: very different You stand differently, right, You move through your 390 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: day differently, And so you want. 391 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: To be not pack panties, Tiffany, I'm graduated. 392 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: I've graduated from pack pansies. 393 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: You feel better? Yeah, I mean, Kendra, when I was 394 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 3: listening to you talk. And also it's not just about 395 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: this is a thing like so many of us are 396 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: wearing what we think we feel comfortable in, but not 397 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 3: maybe what is the best look from the outside looking in? 398 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: And I feel like during your talk, what was powerful 399 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 3: was when women were like, well, I put this on it, 400 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: I think this looks good, and then you start to 401 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: look at it from the outside, you know, an outsider's perspective, 402 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 3: and you realize sometimes we're not making the best choices 403 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: for what fits our body or fits our coloring, you know. So, like, 404 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: what advice do you have for women who are just 405 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: wearing the thing that they've always felt comfortab. They like black, 406 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 3: they like gray, they like pink, hot pink or whatever, 407 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 3: to start exploring colors that bring out their best selves, 408 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: styles that bring out their best selves in a different way. 409 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: So the first thing I would say is definitely think 410 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: about what color do people say you look amazing in? 411 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 4: Right, Because that's an objective view. It's not you trying 412 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 4: to pick through about what you think may work for 413 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 4: you it doesn't work for you. But think about, no 414 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: matter how old it may be, when you wear that 415 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 4: particular color or that particular top or dress or whatever, 416 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: people are like, oh my god, you look great, right, 417 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, this whole thing, it's probably because 418 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 4: that's your coloring. So there are two things. People are 419 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: warm and cool, and. 420 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: I still can't figure it out. I'm war more cool. 421 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: You have to help me. 422 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: You're cool, but you're also cool and bright, right, like 423 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: you want to do set like for you, I'm like, 424 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: saturated colors work really well for you. 425 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: Thank you good because that means really bright and like bold. 426 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 4: Right? Well, no, like if you do like so the 427 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: mid color that you're wearing now, I want a little 428 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 4: bit deeper in green, right, like a little bit more saturated, 429 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 4: less white in the coloring. Right. So when I met you, 430 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: you had on lilac, which was gorgeous on you. It 431 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 4: was a deeper tone. It was still pastel, but it 432 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 4: was a deeper, more saturated color. Right. 433 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: That's the color people tell me I look really good. Yeah, 434 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: that's how people were lining up afterwards, like show the 435 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: little you guys, tell U where to get one of 436 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: those color wheel things too. 437 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 4: So this is what I tell people, So tiftany right, 438 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 4: and now I'm like, I can't see you on camera, 439 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: but here's what I would say, right to Most people 440 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: think about whether you are better, whether you look better 441 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 4: in white like a crisp white shirt like this, or 442 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: if you look better in cream. Right, that's the easiest 443 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 4: way to tell. And what you want to look at 444 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: is does your skin glow? Are you healthier? Does it 445 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: look brighter? So when people tell me, oh, I can't 446 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: wear whatever color, right, like I can't wear green because 447 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 4: I look sallow or I look sickly, it's because it's 448 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 4: not the right shade of green. So think about right 449 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: when you were a kid in painting and in primary colors, right, 450 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: so it was red, yellow and blue makeing primary colors. 451 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 4: The question is does it have more yellow or red 452 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 4: in it which makes it warmer, or more blue which 453 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: makes it cooler? Right, So if you think about red, right, 454 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: so we all know that red lipstick, trying to find 455 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 4: the right shade red lipstick is always a challenge, right. 456 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 4: This is why if I show you, these are all 457 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 4: shades of red. Right? 458 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 5: Wow? 459 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: Okay, if you're watching on you too, you should be. 460 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, the top are all and I go. 461 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 4: Go in the middle road for sure? Right the top, 462 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 4: Oh is that right? The top are warmer colors, right, 463 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 4: there's more yellow in them across the board and the 464 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 4: bottom are cooler colors. Right. And so if you have 465 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: a tendency to do hot pinks, blue looks amazing on you, right, 466 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: Purples look really great on you. That is someone who's 467 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 4: cooler in coloring. If you do better in reds and 468 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 4: browns and oranges, then you're warmer. So Teppany, I feel 469 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 4: like I want to say, you're actually warmer in coloring. 470 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: Can you see her right now? I want you to 471 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: see her because she's got this bright red. I can't 472 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: tell if that's the right shade of red for her, Kendra, 473 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: let's right, you can you see me? 474 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, I'm like, pull me up online. 475 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: But you don't have the exact color on. No, I'm 476 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 3: gonna I'm literally gonna do this right now. I'm gonna 477 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: texas to you. 478 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: Kept yes, because I'm just like I want to I 479 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: want to know something is on my internet. It was 480 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: walk less. 481 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: But you've seen Tiffany like on her book cover and 482 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 3: things like that, Yeah, like what would you? 483 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 484 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: And I thought about you, tiff too. When Kendra was 485 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: talking about the color green, what are the color greens 486 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: that like? MINTI green? Like the color I'm wearing symbolizes 487 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 3: what now? Because this is a color tiff has on. 488 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 4: Her book So no, no, so for green? 489 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kelly Green on the book. 490 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, it's a deeper green, but for 491 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 4: and I actually have that book on my bedside. No, 492 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 4: but the color green is more about right, nurturing, growing wealth, right, 493 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 4: is what green stands for. And so that's the other 494 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 4: thing when people talk about colors, where you can wear 495 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 4: every color, it's the right shade or tone of that 496 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 4: color for you. It's also what do those colors represent? Right. 497 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 4: So red can be sexy, right, red can be playful, 498 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 4: ray can be powerful or it can be danger right, 499 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 4: depending on the context and where you're going and who 500 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 4: you're talking to. It's how do you want to be seen. 501 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: So the example that I give best is I have 502 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 4: two clients who are psychologists. One deals with adults, the 503 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 4: other one deals with children. For the gentleman who deals 504 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 4: with adults, right, I had to put him in greens 505 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 4: and browns and blues because blue is trustworthy, Brown is 506 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: nurturing and stability, right, and green is part of that 507 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: nurture sense. And so that's what we and then we 508 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: shot him in like we shot him outdoors, right, So 509 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 4: for him that was about stability and nurturing for adults. 510 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 4: For my client who deals with kids. Right, we had 511 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: to put her in bold colors or bold patterns, right, 512 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: and bright colors because that's what kids are going to 513 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 4: gravitate to, right, that sense of fun and playfulness. And 514 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: so how you show up in the context of where 515 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 4: you are is important. Right, if she went in wearing 516 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 4: all black right to the kids, they'd be like, I 517 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 4: don't know if I feel comfortable talking to her. Right, 518 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: she needs to be approachable to them, and so it's 519 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 4: important as to how people read that as well. 520 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: And also like if people are not Like, even if 521 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: you work in a field where you're interracting people a lot, 522 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: and then you realize, I'm not really connecting with people 523 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: in the right way. Maybe it's not your personality that's 524 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: it's just like the image that you have, and it 525 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: is something about it appealing or unappealing. I'm wondering because 526 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 3: ever since I made this, you know, I've always been 527 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 3: drawn to like brighter colors, But since I've been like 528 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 3: really focusing on my wardrobe in that way, the kids 529 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: at Rio's daycare they love me. They stop, They're like, 530 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: there's Rio's mom. I think it's also the hair. I 531 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: just come in looking like a good time, like most 532 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: of the time. So Kendras here getting your whole entire 533 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 3: life together. But let's take a pause for the cause 534 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: and go to break and be right back. All right, 535 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: can you check your texto, because I talk to you 536 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 3: a picture of the gorgeous to me, like I need 537 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: to know. And that's the thing where you like you 538 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: saw Tracy have the same color red. 539 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: No, she had like a pink. She had like this 540 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: like other pink. So this is like more of a 541 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: burnt orange in person, was it really? 542 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 543 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: Like it's it's yeah, it's like a really deep pumpkin 544 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: in person. 545 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 4: So to me, it looks like Tiffany is definitely warmer 546 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: in coloring, okay, right, which means right, reds are great 547 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: for you, right because you can do and you can 548 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 4: do reds as a cool like, but I have to 549 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 4: do a true red right like I can't do for me. 550 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: None of these colors work, right. 551 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: Okay, I look bad in those colors. 552 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 4: So I don't know if you guys can see this, 553 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 4: I'm like, we'll do this. That's why. Right if I 554 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 4: do this on like somewhearing red lipstick, this versus this, 555 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 4: m do you see a difference? 556 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: So I feel like one of them makes your color. 557 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's holding up her color cards, you know, 558 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: just so like so you can what live would be. 559 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. So if we just do this versus this, which 560 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 4: one's a true red? 561 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 3: I don't even know these reds. 562 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: It's just about these are cooler reds, right, So these 563 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 4: are cooler reds. These are warmer reds for me? A 564 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 4: cooler red? Is this right? What I'm wearing is more 565 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 4: of a true red? And this pops on me versus 566 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 4: me putting on something like. 567 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: This which might not make you look as bright? 568 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: Correct? 569 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: Is that what we're kind of going for here, looking 570 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: for colors that make you like, how do you know 571 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: when it's the right shade? So you just pick your 572 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: cool or you're warm and you're bright, and you carry 573 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 3: on those little cards around. 574 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 4: I do color swatches, you'll do it. But part of 575 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 4: it also is is that if you're in the wrong color, 576 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 4: you'll see more. And it's the lighting in here isn't 577 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 4: great for you guys to see this, but what you 578 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: end up seeing is you actually see more of the shading, 579 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 4: so you see the shading under your eyes. If you've 580 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 4: got if you are already worried about having bags on 581 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 4: your eyes or a little darkness. If you have like 582 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 4: I do, right, some you know, some some hair on 583 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 4: the above your lip, right, it comes out darker. Right, it 584 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 4: will show your creaselines as well. Right, so your laugh 585 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 4: lies at a natural All of those pieces will come out. 586 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 4: Your pores on your face will actually look bigger when 587 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 4: you're in colors that are the right color for you. Now, 588 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 4: when I tell that to people, I tell people, don't stress, 589 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 4: like you don't have to get rid of all your 590 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 4: wardrobe of pieces that don't fit you. But it is 591 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 4: thent how do you layer those colors with other colors 592 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: that do right? So it's if you're not in the 593 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 4: right color. So if I'm wearing your cream top, I 594 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: probably have on a bright color jacket over it or scarf. Right, 595 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 4: that changes up the way that that looks. 596 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: I make it parse. 597 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: I feel like you told me that to your point, 598 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: I have to ask Liella because sometimes I'll ask her, like, wait, 599 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: what are my tones? Because she'll say, she said, if 600 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: everybody thinks that black people have like red undertone, red undertone, 601 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: and she's like, that's not you know, by nature being brown, 602 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: that's not always the case, she's like, Tiffany, you have 603 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: more yellow than people probably might not realize. We do 604 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: a lot of berry. Very rarely does she put me 605 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: in a full red. Berries look great as far as 606 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: like on my lips. So I don't know what that means. 607 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: But so we do a lot of that that looks 608 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: really great. She will create a red, so she'll mix 609 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: to get to a red that like suits if I'm. 610 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: Wanting to wear red, yea. 611 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I find that like coral is one of 612 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 1: my like really great go to colors that look that 613 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: looks like great on. 614 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 4: Me, that has a little bit more yellow to it, right. 615 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like deep tones I think, like, I guess 616 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: my skin is pretty deep. And but deep tones I 617 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: find because sometimes I wear something light, like a light 618 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: loud like or a light yellow, and I'm like. 619 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, So the way, yeah, the way color works is 620 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 4: that people, you look at the colors that work better 621 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 4: for you, whether they're cool or they're warmer, and then 622 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 4: you look at are they bright and vibrant, right, or 623 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 4: bright vibrant and statue or are they soft and muted? Right? 624 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 4: So what I mean by soft is are they pastels? 625 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 4: Are they muted? Is are they gray out, right, So 626 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 4: you're going to go either warm or cool, and then 627 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 4: you're either doing right and saturated colors or you're doing 628 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 4: muted and soft colors. Right. And what I tend to 629 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 4: find is that, truthfully, it also has a lot to do. 630 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 4: It's also reflecting people's personalities. Right, So those people who 631 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 4: for you, definitely Tiffany, right, more saturated colors work better. Right, 632 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 4: for Mandy, it's the pastels work better, but it's also 633 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 4: bright pastels, right, More saturated pastels work well for you. 634 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 4: I do really well in saturated colors again, kind of 635 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 4: like kind of like Mandy, but a little bit different. 636 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 4: I think Mandy reads a little bit softer, so she 637 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 4: does a little bit more pastels that are saturated. I 638 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 4: do right, like a heavy deep fuchia right in cold 639 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 4: Walt blue. 640 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: I want to be a deep fusia girl. I'm like 641 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 3: the girl who keeps trying to buy the deep fusia 642 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: lip lipsticks and they just stay in the drawer because 643 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: I put it on and I'm like. 644 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 4: It's screw. 645 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. It goes like from lips to style. I feel 646 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: like we all deserve someone like you to just walk 647 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: through from the hair, like the hair color. I know 648 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: my hair color is not the right color right now. 649 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 3: It's range. As my neighbor Sydney, who's eight years old, 650 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: told me, it's Mandy. 651 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: I like your hair. 652 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: It's orange. 653 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 4: I like you. 654 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: You're like, okay. 655 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 4: But to that point, to that point, beauty and coloring 656 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 4: does matter because it's it's the reason why you go 657 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 4: to the nail salon and write you put on. You 658 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: find someone that has a particular color, you're like, oh, 659 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: I want to try it, and then you're like, no, 660 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 4: that doesn't work for me. It's the same thing. It 661 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 4: goes for your lipstick, it goes for your makeup, it 662 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 4: goes for your hair color when you're dying it, all 663 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 4: of it matters. 664 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's liberating when you stop trying to 665 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 3: pick what looks good on other people and start experimenting 666 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 3: to see what your best version is. And I think 667 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: that's the clique that I had working with like An, 668 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: I think she was more of an image consultant now 669 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: that I think about it, because we talked about what 670 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: tone did I want to bring out? Like this is 671 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 3: for all the pictures I have on my website and 672 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 3: all that stuff my social media, and like what did 673 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: I want to emote? What did I want to evoke, 674 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 3: you know, to my audience. And it was Yeah, it 675 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: was like letting go of what Like I wasn't going 676 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 3: to look at Tiffany. Tiffany's our website are completely different, 677 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 3: you know, different vibes, different, And it's like if I 678 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: looked at hers or anyone else in my space and 679 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: try to mimic it, it just wouldn't be I don't know, 680 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 3: I wouldn't feel as authentic. I wouldn't be as excited 681 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 3: to rep it, you know what I mean. So for 682 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 3: people who are listening, who are maybe thinking like, okay, 683 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: this is overwhelming's talking about hair nails style? Where in 684 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: your closet? Where'd you start if you were like telling 685 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: someone to you know, help, trying to help someone cull, 686 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: like take out things that are maybe not working for 687 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: them and you know, bring in more of the right stuff. 688 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 4: So first and foremost right. And I think everybody's heard this, 689 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 4: But if you haven't wonn it in six months, if 690 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 4: you haven't wanted in. 691 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 3: A year, let it go, right, that would deplete about 692 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: ninety percent of my. 693 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: Pick somebody else I didnerent one different one? 694 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 3: Can we say six years. Can I get a little extension, listen, 695 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 3: I have it might fit me again, Kendra, it might 696 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: fit me again. 697 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, so he's perfect, right, perfect segue. If it 698 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 4: might fit you again, the question is do you want 699 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 4: to represent that version of you or are you willing 700 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 4: to then invest in something that represents who you are now? 701 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 4: Whatever that now is. 702 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: That's sweet, right, Yeah, I try. I think living in 703 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 3: the city has forced me to get rid of things 704 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 3: a lot faster because you move and like you don't 705 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 3: have that much clouset based in New York and whatever, 706 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 3: and I live in a smaller house now, So I 707 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: think I have been better about getting rid of stuff. 708 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: But there are like there's versions of myself that I 709 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 3: know don't exist anymore. There's stuff that I wore, you know, 710 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: when I was at Yahoo and early in my career 711 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 3: as a journalist that I'm just not That's just not 712 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 3: the vibe anymore. 713 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 4: Okay. 714 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: So the six month rule is painful. 715 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 4: It's painful. Truth. So truth, right, if you don't do 716 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 4: it in the six month, like, definitely do, I say, 717 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 4: try and call every season right because you are stepping 718 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: into a new season and you're looking to wear close 719 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 4: so if it doesn't fit you and you're like, oh, 720 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 4: maybe the question is did you wear it last year? 721 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 4: If you didn't wear it last year, right at the 722 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 4: same season, let it go right to the faces have. 723 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: To be I'm talking to Mandy. I'm like, girl, you 724 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: heard what she said? What's your closet? I'm nice the 725 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: lamb with foolishness. 726 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 3: I also don't leave the house anymore, but I might 727 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 3: leave the house in the future. 728 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 729 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 3: Actually, the output that I wore to the output that 730 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: I wore to that conference, I probably had in my 731 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 3: closet for about six months. Sometimes I buy things and 732 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'll find, oh, I got the most 733 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 3: amazing like green sequin jumpsuit, don't ask with shorts. It's 734 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 3: from Eloquy, and I'll buy it, and I'm like, I'm 735 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: going to have a party to go to in that 736 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 3: outfit in the future, which maybe isn't the best for 737 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: my budget. But anyway, I had those like aspirational clothes 738 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 3: that I'm not going to wear every day. But my 739 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 3: style has been I feel like run down by me 740 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 3: just being seen from the waist up in my zen den, 741 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: like I don't my feet. I got the pants I'm 742 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 3: wearing right now? Are you know what I slept in? 743 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 3: If I'm on right? 744 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 4: So listen, that's fine. It's different. I kept putting listen, 745 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 4: I kept turning the camera off because I didn't have 746 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 4: pants on them, and I was like, let me actually 747 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 4: go putps on. So we're fine, right, stylist, don't get 748 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 4: it twisted. I like, I do everything like everybody else does, right, 749 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 4: but when I get on camera, it's let me make 750 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 4: sure that I look good from the waist up. So 751 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 4: even if you're talking about this is all that you 752 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 4: do when you're on meetings on zoom, doesn't mean that 753 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 4: you still can't be style right. You still want to 754 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 4: be able to wear what you have and make it 755 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 4: look good, right. So that's my first thing about culling. 756 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 4: I think the second thing is about fit right. So 757 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 4: to me, fit is the biggest pet peeve because having 758 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 4: something that fits you properly will make you look amazing, 759 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 4: and people don't realize it. Right, Some people wear things. 760 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 3: Feel amazing because you're not tugging stuff. Mandy Woodruff, Stop 761 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 3: buying things that you think you should be the right 762 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 3: size in, but you're not, Like, it's why do I 763 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: torture myself. 764 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 4: Here's what I tell people. Clothes are being mass produced, 765 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 4: we are not, right, But they're not being mass produced 766 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 4: for mass bodies. They're being produced for the one fit model, 767 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 4: which is a model who they use to put the 768 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 4: clothes on for the same fit for the same brand. Right. 769 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 4: That's ideally what a fit model is. If you are 770 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 4: not that model shape, their clothes may not fit you 771 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 4: really well, right, or part of their clothes will, and 772 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 4: some of them won't because they will also send it 773 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 4: out to manufacturers for private label, which means they're not 774 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 4: even making it. They're buying it from someone else who's 775 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 4: making it. So it's never about the size. It's never 776 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 4: about the quote unquote number. It is about what is there, 777 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 4: What do their numbers say in terms of measurements for 778 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 4: their sizes, so that you should know what your measurements 779 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 4: are right, your bust, your waist, your hips, so that 780 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 4: when you're buying pants, if I say I'm a size eighteen, 781 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 4: but my hips are a fifty three, and in this 782 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 4: particular brand, a fifty three is a twenty two, then 783 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 4: I've got to go with the twenty two to make 784 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 4: sure that that fits me right, And so yeah, I don't. 785 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 3: I tell people it was humbling having an image consultant 786 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 3: pick my sizes because I was like, why are you 787 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 3: being so mean? 788 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 2: No, but that that actually really makes a little sense. 789 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've gotten measured, like you know, 790 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: past I don't even remember the last time I've gotten measured, 791 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: because you're right, the certain sizes, you know, like I 792 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 1: can range from you know how it is with black girls. 793 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: I can go from the lowest and eight, you know, 794 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: up to a twelve, depending on like the fit or 795 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: the brand or whatever. Sometimes even though fourteen, it just 796 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, if it's the top, I might be a medium. 797 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: If it's the bottom, I might be a large or 798 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: extra large. So it just so to know, like this 799 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: is what my actual measurements are, even though that fluctuates. 800 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: It is I never thought about that because sometimes I'll 801 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: get something and I'm like, one thing I have done 802 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: recently is I heard this on another podcast she was 803 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: saying how she loved this. There was a black woman 804 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: and she would say, oh my gosh, I love my 805 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: dry cleaner because they know my body and they do alterations. 806 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: And I don't know why I didn't think about that. 807 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, for a few bucks that I was like, when 808 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: I tell you, I have since taken everything to Miss 809 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: Susie down in Belleville. 810 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 4: Susie nov like, hey girl, I'm like, first. 811 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 2: Of all, I know you know your name is not Susie. 812 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: That's just the American because you don't want people to 813 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: say your Asian name wrong, so we just laugh. I'm like, 814 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: my name is also not tough. But I mean literally 815 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: some of my most beautiful alphas that I'm like, it 816 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: just needed that extra little tuck, that extra little hem, 817 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: that extra little They look amazing now for a few bucks. 818 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: And I can't believe I waited along to get things 819 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: tailored to my body. 820 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 4: It's I don't know what it is about the way 821 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 4: women are brought up. I want to say, right, and 822 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 4: how we're taught to shop because as boys as men, right, 823 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 4: everything is fitted. Everything is based on a size, like 824 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 4: and on a measurement. Right, Their shirt sizes is their's 825 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 4: neck size and the link of their arms. Their pants 826 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 4: are their waist and the end scene. Right, women's sizes 827 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 4: aren't that there. It's like the standard two four, six eight, 828 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 4: But we're not standards, right, All of that's different. Men's 829 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 4: sizes are different. Men's are actually based on their actual measurements. 830 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 4: And so when I tell women, no, this needs to 831 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 4: get altered, they're like, no, it should fit. I'm like, 832 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 4: but why why should it fit right? There's no reason 833 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 4: why if I make something as a brand and somebody 834 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 4: else makes something as a brand, because there's no standard 835 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 4: in the industry that all of that should fit you. 836 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 4: So definitely fit for the widest part of your body first, 837 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 4: and then tailor everything down right. So whether that's your bust, 838 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 4: whether that's your hips, whatever, the widest part of you 839 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 4: is fit that first, and then tailor in right. And 840 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 4: then that is at the tailor of the waist because 841 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 4: the hips are hippen, the hips are in a whole 842 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 4: different section of the grocer of the stick. 843 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: Gets right, yes, but my hips in the back is like, 844 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: hey girl, so we can get a whole wearing belts. 845 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 3: Wearing belts. But like, my husband gets custom shirts from 846 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 3: proper cloth made because he has really long arms and 847 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 3: he just has always done that. He doesn't shop off 848 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 3: the rack. If he does, he's usually unhappy with it. 849 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 3: And I'd be like, and he gets his stuff let 850 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 3: out when he gained weight or let in. You know, 851 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 3: when he's got back down and he just does it 852 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 3: without like the emotional hang ups that I have at 853 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 3: the same time, like I've lost some battle. But but 854 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 3: he can do that because his pieces are like higher quality. 855 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 3: So they can be you know, they're meant to be 856 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 3: taken in or not meant to be, but they can 857 00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 3: be taken in taken out. 858 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 4: And I mean, where would you. 859 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 3: Say to get fitted at? 860 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 4: Oh, go ahead, well no, And I was going to say, 861 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 4: I'm like, there's higher quality and quality of taking things in? 862 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 4: Is yes? Am I going to take something in from 863 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 4: Forever twenty one or write some fash fashion brand? Maybe 864 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 4: not right? But if I get it at you know, 865 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 4: if I get something that's called quality piece, that quality 866 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean that you have to spend right two 867 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 4: th hundred dollars for it. It can be a good quality 868 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 4: piece that's one hundred dollars or less. If I get 869 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 4: it taken in to fit perfectly and it looks like 870 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 4: a two hundred dollars piece because now it fits me, 871 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 4: is it worth it right now? Whether you want to 872 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 4: buy something that's one hundred dollars and have something that 873 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 4: needs to get taken in for one hundred dollars, that's 874 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 4: a very different story. But to have something taken in 875 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 4: or pants taken up, waste taken in, right, it's going 876 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 4: to cost you somewhere between depending on where you live, right, 877 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 4: twelve dollars to fifteen to twenty dollars. It's not a 878 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 4: lot of money invest into an additional piece that you bought, right, 879 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 4: that you've probably got on sale. Well, let's be real, right, 880 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 4: that's going to fit you well and that you're going 881 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 4: to wear well. Right, That's the other thing. And I 882 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 4: tell people also think about investment pieces as as buys. Right. 883 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 4: So if we're going to go to the budget at 884 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 4: easter route, there is what's called a cost per wear, 885 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 4: which is how many times are you wearing that piece 886 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 4: that you are investing in? Right, So, if you're going 887 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 4: to spend five hundred dollars on a dress, is that 888 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,760 Speaker 4: dress something that you're going to have for years because 889 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 4: it's quality, Right, You've paid for the quality, You've paid 890 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 4: for the fit that you're wearing at least once a 891 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 4: week if it's a basic piece, or every other week 892 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 4: because you can put it in and out of your 893 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 4: wardrobe and use it with alternate pieces, right, so that 894 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 4: you're creating a wardrobe that is going to last you 895 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 4: and that you're wearing consistently. Buying it and wearing it 896 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 4: one hundred times is very different than buying a piece 897 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 4: and wearing it twenty five times, right, So it's looking 898 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 4: at the investment in the pieces that you're wearing and 899 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 4: making sure that that makes sense. Right. 900 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 3: You could sell me a mattress right now with that 901 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 3: how they sell you mattresses and appliances. You're going to 902 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 3: sleep on this one thousand hours, so really it's eight 903 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 3: cents per se. Forget about it being five thousand dollars. 904 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 3: Oh okay, kender. So for I do want to ask though, 905 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 3: like where can you get fitted today? Like for Bras, 906 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 3: because I know BRA's eye for me has changed, yes 907 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 3: with children, and like it's frustrating to think I have 908 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 3: to go do this again, but it's we deserve right 909 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 3: to acknowledge our changes. So like where would you say, 910 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 3: like to start with getting fitted and getting measured so 911 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 3: that you can start thinking like shopping more thoughtfully. 912 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 4: Here's where I tell people, think about this is the 913 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 4: best way I can say it. Think about wherever your 914 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 4: grammar the may have gone to shop for bras, right, 915 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 4: And I say that only because if you are going 916 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 4: to Victoria's Secrets, Listen, I love Vicky's for your Lord. 917 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 4: The aesthetic of it five twenty five. I'm sorry, the 918 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 4: five twenty five way. 919 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 3: That's my jam. 920 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 4: You're trying to play me out in high school, listen, Right, 921 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 4: you can do that with underwear. With bras, you need 922 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 4: to be fitted properly and so right, there's an aesthetic piece, great, 923 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 4: but you also need to understand, as women, breasts come 924 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 4: in different shapes, different sizes, where you are holding the 925 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 4: mass of your of your breast, right, whether it's lower, 926 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 4: whether it's a full or bust, all of those things matter, 927 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 4: and the type of bra that you wear matters in 928 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 4: terms of the actual cut. Right. So just like jeans, right, 929 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 4: different genes fit different parts of the body of all 930 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 4: of that same thing with bras, Right, there's I am 931 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 4: a I am a forty h I can't wear a 932 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 4: Demi cup bra, right, I am just going to spill 933 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 4: out of it. That's not going to hold me properly. 934 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 4: But I can do a balconet, which is going to 935 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 4: give me the same look as a Demi cup bra, Right, 936 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 4: and I'll sit higher understanding all of those pieces. Getting fitted, 937 00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 4: you really need to go to a specialty place to 938 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 4: get fitted right and get fitted properly. Some places like 939 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 4: Nordstrom Rack, not norom Rack, Nordstrum's right your Dark Apartment Stores, 940 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 4: Macy's and so forth, Bloomingdale's, they do have people that fit. 941 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 4: Some of them are great, some of them are not. 942 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 4: What I will tell you is that you get your 943 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,280 Speaker 4: most support around your band right. So your band should 944 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 4: You should start at the last loop, so where you're 945 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 4: where the bra strap ends right should be where you start, 946 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 4: and then you work your way in right so that 947 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 4: as you wear your bra over time, it is right. 948 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 4: The rubber in it, the elastic in it starts to 949 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 4: wear down, you make it tighter right. So you should 950 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 4: never start on the inside one. You should always start 951 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 4: on the outside loops and work your way in. That 952 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 4: being said, you should never be able to pull your 953 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 4: bra too far away from your body, like you should 954 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 4: be able to slip your hand under your bra right 955 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 4: for your band for the support, and then right then 956 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 4: your shoulder straps come second. Right, so it's where people 957 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 4: are like, oh, it's digging into my shoulders it's because 958 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 4: you're not getting the support that you need around around 959 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 4: your around your chest, right around the actual bust, and 960 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 4: you're trying to use the shoulder support and that's that's 961 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 4: supposed to be secondary. Right. The other thing is is 962 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 4: that what's called the gore at the very front if 963 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 4: you are wearing an underwire bra, the gore of the 964 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 4: bra is the very front of the bra where the 965 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 4: two wires meet right on left and right. That should 966 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 4: sit flat against your chest. Right, the uniboob, the double boob, 967 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 4: all of that should not happen. I don't care what 968 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,399 Speaker 4: size you are, right because where women tell me, well, 969 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm an ie or I'm a jay, 970 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 4: I'm an h I know what that means. I still 971 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 4: can fit my fist in the middle of my chest 972 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 4: when I wear a bra. Right, I had that separation, 973 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 4: I have that lift. Your breast should sit really halfway 974 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 4: through where your arm is right, should be the peak 975 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 4: of your breast, and that's where they should sit. Now, 976 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 4: there are some women who, like I said, different women, 977 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 4: different bodies, different breasts, sit a little bit lower, and 978 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 4: that happens, right. There's some people who sit a little 979 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 4: bit wider, some people who are a little bit closer together. 980 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 4: All of those come into play in terms of the 981 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 4: types of brands that work for different body shapes or 982 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,959 Speaker 4: different breast shapes, as you say, right, So it's also 983 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 4: being mindful of that as well. Right, we all love 984 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 4: Vicki's because it's cute and sexy. Is it going to 985 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 4: give you the proper support? Not really unless you're a 986 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 4: smaller cup, right, but if you're anything out there in 987 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 4: so long. 988 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 3: And here's the other thing about brod there's so many 989 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 3: better brands now, which is exciting, Like, there's so many 990 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 3: better brands, And I feel like also the best thing 991 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 3: about being a zoom worker now is I really don't 992 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 3: have to wear bad right now camera is situated just below. 993 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: Working because it feels weird for me to be hanging loose. 994 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: So I like to wear like like a sports brad 995 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: like this around the house. 996 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 4: And here's the other thing I'll say too, Lose ten pounds, 997 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 4: gain ten pounds, get refitted like no matter what, right, 998 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 4: because how you carry your weight will also change. 999 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 3: Well, Kendra, this has been enlightening. I feel like you 1000 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,879 Speaker 3: could write a book just on broads alone. But where 1001 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 3: can people find you? If they want to work with you, 1002 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 3: or they want to follow your work or just get 1003 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 3: to know you and start, you know, exploring their style. 1004 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. You can find me on social media on 1005 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 4: your Style and then my website is also on your 1006 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:33,240 Speaker 4: style dot com. And I am actually doing a course 1007 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 4: over the next April and May on talking about style 1008 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 4: and what that looks like for individuals, understanding how they 1009 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 4: understand their colors, their body shape, how to dress for 1010 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 4: their body shape right, and for their lifestyle. 1011 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 3: I love it, all right, Kendra, thank you so so 1012 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 3: so so much. If you need any models for any 1013 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:56,400 Speaker 3: future you know, consulting or whatever, let us know. I 1014 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 3: probably will text you to remind me what my what 1015 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 3: my shades are bright and warm or whatever it was. 1016 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 3: But it's been so fun having you on. 1017 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 4: All right, thank you, ladies. I appreciate being here. Remember 1018 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,320 Speaker 4: always honor your style, Honor you. 1019 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 3: Thank you with the tag wine and Danna love that